/hobby/ - Hobby

>>23954
Please Elaborate. I remember the original story and haven't gotten to see the film, so an outside opinion 'd be interesting to hear.

>>24814
Anon…

>>25245
why should i watch this reaction video

>>25246
It's the reason why that animation was probably favored by the algorithm. Skip to around the 29 minute mark if you don't believe me.

>>25248
I don't quite see your point. Yes its a 3d character animation but how is that relevant to it getting recc'd to me? I haven't indulged in Nostalgia critic for a long ass time.

>>1196
>>1950
Ironically this is literally a minor thing in Fenoxo's Trials in Tainted Space that has Steph Irson do this kind of thing and get into sexual situations in each episode
https://wiki.smutosaur.us/TiTS/Steph_Irson

>>25249
Because Nostalgia Critic's review of The Wall was horrendously bad to the point that it garnered a bunch of attention.

>>25252
Oh really? I honestly had no idea. Can you explain it to me? I don't think I've seen The Wall, let alone the review (in full) so please elaborate on his mistakes.

>>25255
NTA but The Wall is a very famous and well regarded film / rock opera about very heavy and significant subject matter (post-WWII rot of liberal society), and the Nostalgia Critic's "review" of it is an obnoxious long-form parody of the movie and songs. But it's not just a Weird Al kind of parody - it's extremely disparaging of the content it's parodying, the original The Wall.

But it's bewildering because the people involved seem to have neither the talent to pull off the musical parody of anything nor even enough of a surface level understanding of the original material to be able to construct a parody of it that makes any sense. It's a little shocking how bad, confused, and ill-conceived it is, and it became a bit of a meme because of this.

>>25258
Oh you mean like Pink Floyd's stuff? and damn that's cringe-inducing.

>>25261
>Oh you mean like Pink Floyd's stuff?
Yes.
>and damn that's cringe-inducing.
It might be the current high water mark for internet cringe.

>>25259
>>25262
Yeah, anyhow thanks for the reccs, gonna check it out.

Is it chddy to think black hobbits native to the north is weird?
Immigrant I get but native should be too mixed out by third generation, unless hobbits practice jim crow

>>27240
No it's a reasonable question as it doesn't make narrative sense, following the world-building. The only reason it'd be 'chinletdy' is if your reasoning is "hurr blacks in de shire is bad" or some /pol/shit like that.

>>27240
I think it's weirder for hobbits to be diverse per se than to have black hobbits. Black hobbits per se isn't necessarily odd. I vaguely recall descriptions of hobbits being brown, or maybe specifically their hands/feet looking brown. People tolerate drow being pitch black in the underdark even though logically they would be extremely pale.

Hobbits all having dark skin for some reason would be one thing, but having a small and famously sedentary group of people be diverse makes no sense at all - where do the different phenotypes come from? I guess you could have an explanation but there is a weird trend in fantasy lately to completely ignore actors' and characters' ethnicities even when it raises obvious questions. If you want black hobbits just make them all black or change what hobbits are so it makes sense. Occasional black halflings in D&D is fine because the lore is totally different and they live all over the world, but for what the lore is in Tolkien it's weird to have significant diversity in an area that's roughly equivalent to rural England.

>>30824
In the Silmarillion, Men came wandering out of the east when they first encountered Elves iirc. I think proto hobbits also had a similar wandering period before settling down in the Shire. If I was writing the show, that's how I would explain it at least, that this community has picked up different hobbity folk in its history of travel. IIRC, Smeagol isn't a hobbit either, but his people are related to hobbits. I'd imagine that this group is also made up of not quite hobbits, before settling down into what will become the hobbit community.

Or you can just say that Eru works in mysterious ways.

>>19438
>Embedding error.
This fucking site…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBEEBXsFeRk
Samurai Jack - Final Question (Season 2, Episode 2)

>>30824
I’m still so mad they took the 9 hour edit down from YouTube.

Surprised to have not seen mentioned the black company serie here, which despite the fantasy background and evil wizards, very much likes to play with political themes and a materialist view of history
You basically start by following a band of mercenary reputed for their ability under the orders of the local big bad evil wizard, which reveal herself to not be that bad administration wise really, just ruthless and magically powerful.

>>34723
skill issue
check this out

>>34755
Retard, I'm saying the Embeds are functional initially, but when there's some new update to the site or other /tech/ fuckery, a ton of the embeds are gone with "Embed Error" afterwards because the site's embed system is janky.

>>34748
>black company serie
I personally didn't like it very much, it feels a little like GATE and just goes way to hard on the "realism meets fantasy" aspect that I've frankly found tiresome at this point. I'd rather just read the shitty isekai pennybacks from Russia, because those are at least funny and weird.

>>34743
You mean the "one more step" YTP?

>>30824
Well all fantasy shit now is just D&D schlock so it's to be expected

>>34768
Yes, the “every time Sam takes a step further from the shire the scene where Sam says if he takes one more step it’ll be the furthest he’s ever been” 9 hour edit.

Been looking at some obscure fantasy films of the past and found some that I remember from when I was a kid that are interestingly different.

First is The Black Cauldron - the almost forgotten Disney flop based on a trilogy of books that are themselves based on Welsh mythology, written by Lloyd Alexander.

The Second is The Princess and the Goblin, a story based on a 19th century novel of the same name.

Third is The Swan Princess, which is an interesting reinterpretation of the Swan Ballet.

All of them differ from the traditionally action-adventure genre of Swords and Sorcery fantasy that is commonplace and is instead more in the original vein of fairy tale stories. It's unfortunate they were not quite up to scratch of some more classic, well known fairy tale interpretations. Cutting out the graphic scenery was a mistake in Black Cauldron.
Frankly, other than the Black Cauldron I though the other 2 were Don Bluth films but surprisingly are productions of other animation studios that have essentially vanished in all but name - the producers of the third film have since only made 1 other decent cartoon - The Trumpet of the Swan - and otherwise focused on making terrible Swan Princess sequels and the shitty 3D Alpha/Omega series.
The creators of the second are an obscure Hungarian film studio that has made numerous unknown fairy tale films.

Cut scenes from the Black Cauldron (pic rel) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRzdVzeOBqk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3iRGmRDaFU

The troubled history of Black Cauldron https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mIuK4OZCWbU

The Princess and the Goblin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fERWxl4c4s

Princess Swan https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qqqi_M7ais review

I read a lot of fantasy growing up but the one that will always stand out is The Edge Chronicles. I'm amazed that no one ever mentions it. It's been so long and wiki claims it's a children's book so idk how the writing holds up but the world the authors created, complete with a lot of amazing artwork, is fascinating. They need to turn that into a TV show at some point.
Of the more mature works my fav was probably the Kingkiller Chronicle though that might just be recency bias as it was one of the last fantasy novels i've read. I was gifted The Fionavar Tapestry by an uncle that loves this stuff but I'd already grown bored with genre at that point so still havent read it. If I ever get back into it I'll start with that one

>>34789
None of those are even in the ballpark of "obscure". Black Cauldron especially.

>>37335
Ask any Gen Z kid what any of the three are or what they're about beyond the names, almost nobody below the age of 25 (that isn't a /co/fag) would even know of them, let alone their basic plots.

>>30824
>>27240
The problem with the black Hobbit is that it is part of a sort of "Disney Diversity." By which, I mean a kind of lazy and cowardly attempt at being more diverse by just race and/or gender swapping some characters. There is no new story about a tribe of black Hobbits, one of them is just randomly black. It's similar to how they fix the problem of their "elves" just looking like white people with prosthetic ears lazily slapped on their heads by having an "elf" that is a black guy with prosthetic ears lazily slapped on the sides of his head.

>>37663
Disney Diversity is a good term for it.
But more than "how do I insert black people into Tolkien-based fantasy?" the way to actually do diverse media would be to do fantasy based on African folklore. There is plenty of material to work from.

Tolkien style fantasy races probably just shouldn't be done in live action. They ought to look different enough that you can't make up an actor to portray it. The humans shouldn't really look like IRL humans either. They're not going to have the same ethnicities and clusters of traits as Earth humans. Fantasy humans should look to us kind of like they're mixed-ancestry but you can't tell what.

>>37664
The LOTR only really talks about one single part of the world and isn't supposed to be interpreted as literally true historical record anyway. There's big blank spaces that you could theoretically fill with practically anything you want. I mean, we're already in bullshit corpo fanfiction territory, so it's not like there's any actual concern for the integrity of the work itself, so why not go nuts? I bet there are plenty of talented writers that could come up with good shit about black elves or whatever. Sauron can't be the ONLY evil guy running around Middle Earth, so yeah show us the good guys and bad guys in fantasy tolkien africa or china or whatever. Take a fucking CHANCE, make something NEW, fucks sake.

>>30824
>>37663
>>37664
In this thread niqqaz try to use race science on high fantasy. I hate fantasy fags. There's truly nothing worse

>>37714
Ah yes the two genders of fantasy demographics - "completely ignore it" and "race science." Tolkien was extremely fixated on demography, which has left a major impact, but it's much older than his influence. Fantasy always has had lineage be an important element, right back to Gilgamesh being a demigod by ancestry.

>>37714
sci fi chads on top!

>>30824
It would be less weird if they were all black than to have them be mixed for no reason, or all black with one white hobbit, or there's some tribe of black hobbits we've never seen for some reason. If you have a race of people who predominantly look like one type of people and live in the same general region (middle earth is just a small corner of its world), it's unrealistic to insert random others into that group without some in-universe justification. What they should have done is hired more African and Middle Eastern actors and written in some Men of Rhun or Haradrim. But they don't want to do that because westoid diversity is simply diversity of appearance. They only want people who look different but think exactly the same, which is why whitoids are racist against Chinese people who keep their Chinese names but are happy to socialize with ones who assimilate into the Anglo monoculture.
But it's already been established by LOTR movies that in the Peter Jackson universe, Middle Earth's denizens are white Angloids and the only brown people are the foreigners who side with Sauron. Otherwise Gondor should all be Greeks or Turks because they're basically the Byzantine Empire, instead of looking like redheaded Irishmen. They made them all white already and try to patch it up by adding some token blacks, and end up just making things worse. That's not really representation, it's just advanced level tokenism.

I noticed this in Dishonored too, where Dishonored 2 has black people on Serkonos but they're just there, they didn't create another island with its own culture where they could have originated, even though the setting could have badly used a couple extra islands to add variety of cultures. Instead there's an Anglo island, Nordic/Slavic island, Italian/Med island, and weird Irish island, and black people just exist with no origin and uniqueness. That's worse than not having them there. At least in the Elder Scrolls, Redguards have their own culture and history instead of just being darker Imperials who pop up halfway through.

>>37727
dishonored setting never truly made sense, all the islands are part of an empire, but the slav island is seemingly just le 1984 ussr cummunism. I don’t fully understand the complaint about there being black people since dishonored while based on irl world, isn’t really logical and also I am pretty sure dishonored 1 already had black people, black aristocrats, black bottle street gang members etc.

Honestly speaking I always found it funny how fantsy tards love complaining about black people in fantasy media, even if the setting is something like dishonored, I understand complaining about lotr, but dishonored lmao. You guys will believe in shitty roman empire rip offs existing side by side with elves, but not into the possibility of black people being around with whites in some magical continent, that was created by some god or whatever. Maybe I am just misunderstanding the complaint.

>>37743
Black people in fantasy shouldn't just be tokens. There should be entire cultures and continents worth of different peoples. Unless individual characters are just popping into existence, they have to come from somewhere. If you have people with clearly distinct ancestry, it raises questions about who their ancestors are, where they're from, and why the different groups are separate and distinct from each other. It's good for stories to be diverse, but there should be actual thought put into how the world works. Diversity isn't just about faces. It's about culture and history too.

And seriously, there is enough fantasy that's lazily ripping off European history and culture. We could definitely use more stories based on the folklore in the rest of the world, that doesn't even have white characters in the setting.

>>37714
Demography isn't race science, anon. People aren't just randomly born black.

>>37723
>the dildo in the background
every time

>>37727
Interesting how you didn't notice black people in the first Dishonored game, when they were goons who you chocked out and threw into a dumpster afterwards. Really makes you think.

>>37777
NTA but goons are meant to be forgettable by design.

>>37775
must have seen that pic over a hundred times, never noticed the dildo. fucking swedes…

I've been getting into Discworld lately and it's pretty cool

>>13735
>Harry potter literally takes place a school where the mechanics of magic are explained at length.
Well… not really, theoretically yes, but we don't actually know the mechanics of it or what constitutes as magic, it essentially does what you want it to do, so long as you have the will to make it happen. There is no energy or particles or whatever that create magic in Harry Potter, and explanations are mostly about how to DO magic, not what it is, or why and how it works. This is something fans of the series did and partially how Harry Potter got so popular, its method of describing yet not explaining magic, led to people coming up with their own explanations, letting the way it was written be very fluid, See my post >>5174
But I digress, point is that magic in fantasy is not scientific unless specifically written that way in a story, and frankly it's what makes it, well, magical - the impossibility of it.

>>13716
>>13731
>>13735
>>38762
I think there are two primary types of fantasy writers: worldbuilders and people who just kind of make shit up on the fly. Magic in a work produced by a "worldbuilder" is very likely going to wind up feeling like its just an alternative kind of science, while magic in a work produced by writers who just make shit up on the fly is going to feel much more mysterious. They both have problems, though. Obviously, with the person who just makes shit up as they go along, eventually their complete lack of worldbuilding is going to catch up with them and they'll run into inconsistencies or implications they didn't originally intend. With worldbuilders, on the other hand, have a tendency to over-explain their settings to the point that it essentially becomes a sort of "rationalist fantasy" with little that's actually strange, whimsical and mysterious like you would expect out of fantasy. I think Rowling has the initial appearance of a worldbuilder, but in reality was just making shit up as she went.

One of the writers who managed to thread this particular needle, though, was Tolkien. Tolkien is famous for his extensive worldbuilding, yet his world still isn't over-explained. Making Middle Earth seem like a real, lived-in place that's also still very mysterious is no mean feat.

>>38765
>Magic in a work produced by a "worldbuilder" is very likely going to wind up feeling like its just an alternative kind of science, while magic in a work produced by writers who just make shit up on the fly is going to feel much more mysterious
>One of the writers who managed to thread this particular needle, though, was Tolkien.
It's not necessarily bad to have a "science is indistinguishable from sufficiently studied magic" type of setting tbh. People would have the same kind of approach in that world as in this one. They would want to figure things out. But as with Tolkien you can also have a more vague magic even in a meticulously planned setting if that suits the story. I think the issue there is that worldbuilders get too caught up in "wouldn't this be cool?" Tolkien sort of did that but then he just allowed it to be background for his actual stories. The characters/narrator in the stories have a reasonable amount of knowledge about the world - they are not having to squeeze in an explanation of everything the author thought of to include in the setting. Arguably this just comes down to whether the writer understand how to exercise restraint.

>>>/leftypol/1724725
Thoughts on this?
> Existence of magic implies hereditary power and lack of technological advancement.
My take: no it doesn't. If anything, magic would make industrialization happen faster since you can just summon a fire elemental to make steam instead of digging to burn coal. It would also make communism more likely since magic spells would already be making a lot of labor obsolete. Without a need to harness mass labor power of a working class, there wouldn't exist the same incentives to maintain a class structure. Wizards are usually portrayed as elitists, but really they would benefit most from educating as many people as possible about magic since more wizards = faster development of magical theory and knowledge. The reason IRL alchemy was esoteric is that it's bullshit, and more people looking at it would have revealed this. Wizards would replace the bourgeoisie as the "middle class" in feudalism and would basically skip capitalism since wizards have little use for an underclass of workers but benefit a lot from more wizards. Literally why would you ever employ a bunch of farm laborers when you could have that handled by a couple guys casting spells to do it?

anyone read the powder mage serie ?
basically the french revolution in a magical setting, where there is opposition between the "traditional" mages integrated to nobility and power structures and the "newer" mages that have power related to gunpowder, who dont have privileges despite their usefulness on the battlefield where gunpowder is becoming increasingly prevalent, and even discriminated against in some countries. Also include start of industrialization, revolutionary state against reactionary states, and a based story of taking down a "god" (actually just an old super powerful mage)

>>38768
the above is a great example of how magic existence can absolutely be integrated in a story about technological advancement
not a book but arcanum setting also comes to mind
also, 40k, where magic is basically just a parallel dimension that can be tapped into and can be fucked with through science

>If anything, magic would make industrialization happen faster
debatable, and highly dependent on the setting specifics, if your magic is hereditary it obviously will reinforce nobility like power structures, and mages can also naturally be a concurrent class to the bourgeoisie and part of the traditional power structure like a clergy and want to repress something that could be an alternative to their services. Is the use of magic free, can it actually replace labor long term is also not always true.

>they would benefit most from educating as many people as possible about magic since more wizards = faster development of magical theory and knowledge
why would you assume they'd want that rather than make it highly secretive to keep competitive advantages towards other mages. Hoarding knowledge is a classic way for a class to have power

>Wizards would replace the bourgeoisie as the "middle class" in feudalism
only if there are enough mages and they can use this magic on a sufficient scale to not be basically states super weapons / independent cabals ala witcher

>>34768
>it feels a little like GATE
sounds pretty unfair, the fun part of gate was just shooting dragons with rockets and knights with machine guns, but it was overall just wanking of their military, a harem and a forgettable story

I really liked black company, especially the realist take on "no good sides, all armies are home to sociopaths, everyone is ruthless in politics" even in a magical setting. The big mages are rare and akin to having some super weapons, the small mages can be big force multiplier but mostly thank to deception and surprise.
When in the later book they go to some india inspired country with tons of sects and they go full underground guerilla its also pretty interesting. The "searching for your own history" stuff and seeing how they actually have nothing in common to what they were when they started is also pretty good.

>'d rather just read the shitty isekai pennybacks
huh you do you, but again, feel pretty unfair toward black company

>>38769
>debatable, and highly dependent on the setting specifics
True, but even if magic is hereditary it could and would be subject to study and refinement. Eugenics would actually become important to controlling power in that case, which would likely cause a weird intersection between inbreeding and magic. On the other hand, bastard children of magical parents would be way more of an issue than IRL bastards were.
As for industrialization specifically, the only real question here is whether magic can be used as a significant source of energy. If it can, it can be used to power steam engines. If that's the case, magic will become in high demand quickly the same way coal did. Unlike coal, magic output is mainly bounded by population size, and the more of it you have the easier it gets to get more (exponential increase if mages generally take on apprentices). Even with the things magic can produce, transport alone would make steam engines highly important since wizards can't usually teleport the sheer mass that you can load on a train.
>mages can also naturally be a concurrent class to the bourgeoisie and part of the traditional power structure like a clergy and want to repress something that could be an alternative to their services.
Maybe, but there's not much that reasonably could function as an alternative to actual magic. Magic users would have a pretty effective monopoly.
>Is the use of magic free, can it actually replace labor long term is also not always true.
Magic is almost never "free" unless it's for very trivial effects, but the point isn't to wholly replace labor but multiply the productivity of labor power. 1 mage can produce X quantity of Y product that you would need maybe 10, 50, 300 manual laborers to do. Like think of how much a Shape Stone kind of spell would alter construction practices.
>why would you assume they'd want that rather than make it highly secretive to keep competitive advantages towards other mages.
Mages who keep secrets would be at a disadvantage to the ones who share knowledge, because they would have access to less knowledge overall. Also they would be wasting a lot of resources in conflict with each other and hiding things and would not benefit from synergy between multiple experts collaborating.
>only if there are enough mages and they can use this magic on a sufficient scale to not be basically states super weapons / independent cabals ala witcher
If magic can be taught to any significant degree, then it should be assumed that there would at least be some kind of artisan class learning that. There might be resource limits (like you need to keep consuming mana potions) or exclusive magic (hereditary), and there might be more than one of these types in the setting. Whatever form of magic has the fewest limits on it will be the most popular, and if there is a form that anybody can learn, anybody will. You would essentially need some kind of dedicated witch hunt organization to root out peasants who accidentally discover the "free" types of magic to stop this from happening.