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 No.1505[View All]

Haven't seen this thread revived anywhere so I thought I'd bring it back myself

ITT: Discussions about stats of Soviet military hardware, tactics etc. Not strictly limited to Soviet stuff despite name.
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 No.19961

>>19454
That much is obvious in he face of south Vietnam too, buuut I' think the socioeconomics are still different.

 No.19963

>>19454
The korean case is kinda different because majority of koreans want to be unifiend even if its a 1 contry 2 systems kinda of deal, if the us left SK one second they would force an unification

 No.20077

Embedding error.
Russia releases video of an S-500 launch. It looks verey impressive in terms of launch speed compared to the S-300 and 400 and the range is even larger than prior SAM systems.

 No.20096

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>US Navy can't fucking track its ships right or deliberately violates borders
<N-no they qeren't at [X] location, it's those damnd russkies making our data say otherwise.
Jeeze the cope is hilarious
https://archive.ph/5lvTC

 No.20176

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Psz42TkcUrQ
>burgers think WW3 will be fought without soldiers
>>18178
>A better strategy is to just do what the PRC is doing now. Just have their spies steal US designs wholesale, skipping development entirely and make a few hundred copies with a fraction of the original price tag.
The problem with stealing US military tech and copying it, is that US tech is designed with American military doctrine in mind, not Chinese doctrine.

 No.20178

>>18124
>>18137
the importance of stealth isn't to not be seen, but to reduce the distance at which an object could be seen, and to reduce the precision of the interment detecting it, pure invisibility was never the goal, and is impossible, the goal of a stealth aircraft is to be able to not be seen from a distance where it can fire standoff weapons such as air launched cruse missiles, long range air to air missiles, or glide bombs

 No.20179

>>2192
Wargame Red Dragon is a great game I love it so much. That pic is of the subpar air superiority fighter tho, why not use the better pic which emanates Yugo AA aura

 No.20181

>>20178
The problem is (as in all stealth aircraft) the moment you open your hatches to let out the missiles and bombs, your signature goes up and the missile launches, stealth missiles or not, are going to be detected and a general location found. Moreover the use of Long and Short wave RADAR allows for detection at distance (not to mention that to fire the missiles at a target they need to lock on and unless they use active warheads (not reliable against countermeasures suchc as Digital RF Memory (DRFM)), thus they will need to use RADAR to locate a target; again revealing their position, as RADAR-lock warning systems function at detection at distances exceeding the range of most missiles a possible enemy can fire. All in all stealth is useful against less technological opponents as a surprise strike, like a special operations taskforce, as opposed to the method being used in the F-35 that allows an enemy to quickly figure out countermeasures to their "stealth" through sheer exposure and industrial espionage of mainline production.

>>20179
Sorry Yugo-comrade, didn't have that one in my folders

>>20176
>US tech is designed with American military doctrine in mind, not Chinese doctrine.
True, and on top of that a lot of US tech is bluster (Bradley IFV, Patriot Missile and LAV trucks)

 No.20184

>>20181
>The problem is (as in all stealth aircraft) the moment you open your hatches to let out the missiles and bombs, your signature goes up and the missile launches, stealth missiles or not, are going to be detected and a general location found.
This is why communication between aircraft is so important in modern air warfare, allowing one aircraft to get a target lock, and have another fire a missile, and a third engage in jamming. It looks like the era of multirole aircraft is needing, and future air battles will be fought will large "airfleets" that have different types of highly specialized aircraft.
>True, and on top of that a lot of US tech is bluster (Bradley IFV, Patriot Missile and LAV trucks)
Even the US tech that works (tankers, B-2/B-21, Carriers) only makes seance from the geographical perspective of an island, which is what America is, America is an Island, and a naval power, while Russia and China are Eurasian land powers.

 No.20218

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>US Naavy is retiring Littoral after 11 years of service
<this is less than 1/2 their projected service life
<they're still pushing the Zumwalt-class
<They're having wholly autonomous missile carrying ships to replace destroyer patrols
https://archive.ph/3w9tu
https://archive.ph/p2uQL
Fucking kek the USN is fucking batshit, innit?

 No.20235

>>20184
>the era of multirole aircraft is needing
I doubt that, though I agree qith the idea of communication being important. The Sukhoi Su-27 series is successful because it's a heavy multirole strike fighter that has lent itself to adaptability; need strike focus? Su-34, need stealth? Su-57, need a long-rnge fighter that can also dogfight and use all ranges of missiles? Su-27-30-35-57.
The MiG-29 and MiG-31 act as the more specialized classes in aerial combat - the MiG-31 counters AWACs and its direct link allows it to act like a mini-AWACs itself. The MiG-29 excels at dogfighting and thus is perfect as a smaller defensive fighter to support the Sukhoi series. And then the Su-24 and Su-25 act as excellent strike and tactical bombers. The only thing I'm sad is that the MiG-27 no longer gets used, though the Su-34 has at least been a decent replacement.

>the US tech that works… only makes seance from the geographical perspective of an island

Aye, as said in the quora link at >>2384 it's all about forward deployment

 No.20242

>>20181
>The problem is (as in all stealth aircraft) the moment you open your hatches to let out the missiles and bombs, your signature goes up and the missile launches, stealth missiles or not, are going to be detected and a general location found.
This is why communication between aircraft is so important in modern air warfare, allowing one aircraft to get a target lock, and have another fire a missile, and a third engage in jamming. It looks like the era of multirole aircraft is needing, and future air battles will be fought will large "airfleets" that have different types of highly specialized aircraft.
>True, and on top of that a lot of US tech is bluster (Bradley IFV, Patriot Missile and LAV trucks)
Even the US tech that works (tankers, B-2/B-21, Carriers) only makes seance from the geographical perspective of an island, which is what America is, America is an Island, and a naval power, while Russia and China are Eurasian land powers. >>20235
>I doubt that, though I agree qith the idea of communication being important. The Sukhoi Su-27 series is successful because it's a heavy multirole strike fighter that has lent itself to adaptability; need strike focus? Su-34, need stealth? Su-57, need a long-rnge fighter that can also dogfight and use all ranges of missiles? Su-27-30-35-57.
What would work is have the Su-57 be a "scout aircraft," it can get in close to an enemy formation and send their location to other planes and maybe even SAMs while remaining undetected and the Su-27 carry many long range air to air missiles to hit targets that the Su-57 picks up. A larger high altitude stealth aircraft such as a Tu-PAK-DA would act as a command center for veracious wings, as well a carrying very long range cruse missiles to strike far out targets. Depending on a geography a SAM battery could be attached to such an air wing, where the SAM would strike planes that are found by the aircraft. A high altitude aircraft could detect low flying planes much better then a SAM. An important element of such a battle strategy is dispersal, to ensure the detection of part of an air wing wouldn't enraged the entire wing, maximizing geographic dispersal is extremely important in a game of cat and mouse where remaining undetected is important. Whoever can strike from farther away has the advantage. Right now China and Russia have longer range air missiles then the Americans, but the Americans have better long range sensors. One thing that is underrated about stealth is the ability to fly high up in the atmosphere and do so safely. High altitude allows for the observation of a huge amount of area compared to ground based sensors.

 No.20244

>>20242
Ignore the first part of my post, it was a typing error, I thoguht that the first part was their when I posted it, if the mods could edit it, that would be great

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 No.20351

>>20350
Any missile that can carry over 150kg warhead is nuclear capable. Good for the DPRK though.

 No.20358

Can anyone clarify the system used in this event? I've heard that it is either "silkworm" anti-ship missile or a torpedo system.
https://archive.is/qZEZh

 No.20359

>>20358
idk, I do know that this is a huge event, will force the Sauds to either reduce or escalate their involvement

 No.20365

>>20359
The article is from 2018 tho

 No.20369

>>20365
I wish the Houthis would just start sinking Saudi Oil tankers and American merchent ships

 No.20370

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>>20369
Inshallah

 No.20474

Can someone explain to me what the second battle of fallujah was?

 No.21177

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>Realizing the low efficiency of the first generation SSGN, mainly due to the surface launch of the anti-ship missile syste
the naval leadership began to rush VN Chelomey's OKB-52 with the fastest development of anti-ship missiles with
underwater launch. Although these works were carried out from the end of the 50s, they were far from completion. The ma
problem was in the choice of the engine for the anti-ship missile. Of all the possible, only a liquid or solid-propellant jet engi
was real. Only they could work underwater. To force the turbojet engine immediately after leaving the water, the anti-ship miss
system was not yet able to start and reach the nominal mode.In the final version, a solid propellant engine was chosen for t
anti-ship missile system. Work on the creation of a new anti-ship missile "Amethyst" began in the early 60s and ended with
adoption into service only in 1968. The firing range and the weight of the warhead have sharply decreased compared to the PHowever, thanks to the underwater launch, stealth and, most importantly, the surprise of using anti-ship missiles w
submarines has increased many times over. The next generation SSGNs were built to accommodate them.
On August 28, 1958, a decree of the Central Committee of the CPSU and the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On t
creation of a new high-speed submarine, power plants of new types and the development of research, development and desi
work for submarines "was issued. In accordance with this decree, TsKB-16 (now SPMBM "Malachite") work began on the desi
of a high-speed second-generation SSGN with a titanium case, a second-generation nuclear power plant and cruise missil
launched from under the water project 661 , code "Anchar" (NATO classification "Papa"). The new SSGN was intended
deliver strikes by the Amethyst anti-ship missile system and torpedoes against enemy BNK (aircraft carrier strike formation
groupings.
>Chief designer NN Isanin, chief observer of the Navy Captain 2nd Rank YG Ilyinsky, then Captain 2nd Rank VN Marko
In the works on the project 661 Central Research Institute No. 45 took an active part (now - Central Research Institute named After Krylov) enterprises were involved in the work under the program. The ship was intended to deliver attacks with cruise missiles a
torpedoes against large enemy surface ships.The SSGN was also planned to be used for testing new structural materials
particular, titanium alloy for the submarine hull) and testing new types of weapons and technical equipment. At the beginning
1960, a pre-draft design and the main tactical and technical elements of a SSGN were presented and approved by a decree
the USSR Council of Ministers, in May of the same year - a draft design. At the same time, the prohibition to use previous
mastered technology, equipment, automation systems, devices and materials on the projected submarine w
confirmed.Although this stimulated the search for new technical solutions, at the same time, the design and construction of t
SSGN was lengthened, which to some extent predetermined its fate and was another manifestation of the voluntarism of the t
leadership. Three alternative basic materials of construction were considered for making a durable case - steel, aluminum
titanium. Ultimately, it was decided to go for titanium. In 1961, after the approval of the technical design, the production
working drawings began, and already in the next - 1962 - the production of the first hull structures from titanium, which was fi
used in the world submarine shipbuilding, began at the NSR
>Structurally, Project 661 SSGN is a two-hull. The light hull had a circular cross-section with a "bifurcated stern" type
end with propellers spaced 5 meters apart (later, a similar propeller arrangement would be borrowed on Project 949 and 949
boats). Hydrodynamic optimization of the shape of the stern end was achieved by lengthening it with small angles of departu
of the waterline in the center plane and using elongated propeller shafts with fairings that allow the installation of propellers
the optimal diameter for a given speed of rotation. In the navy, this scheme was called "pants". The nose of the robust h
consisted of two 5500-mm diameter cylinders, located one above the other, forming a "figure eight" in cross-section. The rest
the sturdy hull was cylindrical with a maximum diameter of 9000 mm. The bow of the 'eight "was divided into two compartmen
by a solid platform, with the upper cylinder being the first compartment, and the lower one the second.eights - the th
compartment - is separated from the first two by a transverse bulkhead and abutted to the fourth, which is already cylindrical
shape. The rest of the cylindrical body was divided by strong transverse bulkheads into 6 compartments. In the 1st compartme
were placed TA, spare torpedoes, a quick-loading device and an anti-ship missile control post. In the second - the first group
AB, hydroacoustics equipment and a hold post. The 3rd compartment is the living quarters of the personnel and the seco
group of AB, the 4th is the central post, the control post of the power plant, cabin for various purposes and living quarters, t
5th is the reactor compartment. 6th - turbine.In the 7th compartment there were turbogenerators and main switchboards, the 8
compartment - auxiliary mechanisms and equipment, reversible converters with boards, refrigeration machines a
compressors. The 9th compartment housed steering drives and a hold post. 10 containers with anti-ship missiles - side by si
with a constant elevation angle in between the side space in the area of the first three compartments, using the difference
diameters of the "figure eight" and the rest of the cylindrical strong hull. Nasal horizontal rudders were located in the bow of t
hull, below the waterline, and retracted into a light hull.
>After considering two types of reactors - a simpler and more developed water-moderated and promising liquid metal (t
primary coolant is an alloy of lead and bismuth) - the first one was chosen as more realistic in terms of creation time, although
has the worst specific parameters. The main power plant consisted of two autonomous groups - the right and left sides, ea
with its own reactor and the main turbo-gear unit. Each group united a V-5R nuclear steam generating unit, a GTZA-618 turb
gear unit and an OK-3 autonomous three-phase AC turbine generator with a capacity of 2 x 3000 kW. The nominal therm
power of the two nuclear reactors of the water-water type was 2x177.4 MW, and the steam production of the PPU at the norm
reactor power was 2x250 tons of steam per hour.Reactors designed for a boat project 661 , had a number of original features.
particular, the pumping of the primary coolant was carried out according to the pipe-in-pipe scheme, which ensured t
compactness of the NPP at a high thermal stress. In this case, the reactors operated not only on thermal neutrons, but also w
the participation of the fission reaction of the nuclear "fuel" of fast neutrons. The main consumers of electricity were made
alternating current with a voltage of 380V (50Hz). A significant innovation was the rejection of the use of diesel generators
powerful storage battery was used as an emergency source.
The armament of the submarine included 10 Amethyst anti-ship missiles in 10 containers located outside the robust hu
five on each side and four 533-mm torpedo tubes. Target designation for anti-ship missiles and torpedo firing was provided
the newest SJSC "Rubin". The maximum firing range of anti-ship missiles was 70 km. The rocket was launched from
submerged position from a depth of 30 m from a container previously flooded with intake water. Immediately after leaving t
container, the starting engine was triggered, and the wing was opened, and in the surface position, the sustainer solid-propella
engine was turned on.The missile complex also included prelaunch control equipment, devices for the on-board missile f
control system associated with the hydroacoustic complex, the torpedo firing control complex, the navigation complex, as well
heading stabilizer and depth gauge. The launcher provided storage preparation, transportation, remote prelaunch and launch
cruise missiles without access to the container. The cruise missiles were taken aboard the ship in a condition that was fina
equipped for launch. Their reliable storage and launch were ensured during a three-month stay at sea.All missile ammuniti
could be fired in two salvos, the interval between which was three minutes (according to experts, this was a major tactical flaw
the project, which made it difficult to effectively use SSGNs for the main targets - aircraft carriers). Torpedo tubes were located
the bow of the submarine. Ammunition consisted of 12 torpedoes. TA provided shooting from a depth of up to 200 m. Torpe
firing was controlled by the Ladoga-P-661 automated system. REV included the all-latitude navigation complex "Sigma-66
which provided underwater and ice navigation.Automatic control of the ship was carried out by means of the "Shpat" headi
and depth control system, the "Tourmaline" system for preventing emergency trims and failures, as well as the "Signal-66
control system for general ship systems, devices and outboard holes. SJSC MGK-300 "Rubin" ensured the detection of noi
targets with the simultaneous automatic tracking of two of them with the issuance of data to the control systems of missile a
torpedo weapons. Provided circular detection of enemy GAS signals operating in an active mode, as well as their identificati
with the determination of bearing and distance.
>To detect anchor mines, the ship had a GAS "Radian-1".To monitor the air a
surface conditions, the submarine was equipped with a high-aperture anti-aircraft periscope PZNS-9 with an optical coordina
calculator. The lifting device made it possible to raise the periscope from a depth of up to 30 m at a speed of up to 10 knots with electronic reconnaissance means, which made it possible to search, detect and take direction finding of the enemy
working radio stations. To monitor the air and surface conditions, the submarine was equipped with a high-aperture anti-aircr
periscope PZNS-9 with an optical coordinate calculator. The lifting device made it possible to raise the periscope from a depth
up to 30 m at a speed of up to 10 knots and waves of up to 5 points. There were radars RLK-101 and MTP-10, as well as
system for determining nationality "Nichrome".For two-way ultra-high-speed classified radio communications with coas
command posts, other ships and aircraft interacting with a submarine, there was a modern (by the standards of the 1960s) rad
communication equipment. The ship was equipped with electronic reconnaissance means, which made it possible to searc
detect and take direction finding of the enemy's working radio stations. To monitor the air and surface conditions, the submari
was equipped with a high-aperture anti-aircraft periscope PZNS-9 with an optical coordinate calculator. The lifting device made
possible to raise the periscope from a depth of up to 30 m at a speed of up to 10 knots and waves of up to 5 points.There we
radars RLK-101 and MTP-10, as well as a system for determining nationality "Nichrome". For two-way ultra-high-spe
classified radio communications with coastal command posts, other ships and aircraft interacting with a submarine, there was
modern (by the standards of the 1960s) radio communication equipment. The ship was equipped with electronic reconnaissan
means, which made it possible to search, detect and take direction finding of the enemy's working radio stations.
>For testing and testing in boat conditions, weapons and equipment for SSGNs of project 661 were reequipped accordi
to projects developed by TsKB-16, several submarines, incl. Submarine of project 613A (then it was retrofitted according
project 613AD .) For testing the ASM "Amethyst", submarine of project 611RU for testing SJSC Rubin, submarine of proje
611RA for testing GAS mine detecting "Radian". Prototypes of automated motion control systems for SSGNs "Shpat" a
"Tourmalin", as well as NK "Sigma" were tested on the nuclear submarine of project 627A …In the course of design a
hydrodynamic studies and model tests, the contours of the outer hull of a high-speed twin-shaft submarine were optimiz
(chewing shape of the bow end, bifurcated aft end, circular contours in cross-sections in the middle part of the ship). To give t
submarine hull circular contours when large missile containers were placed side-by-side, the latter had to be moved to t
submarine's submarine submarine, and therefore, in the bow of the ship, the spacecraft was designed with cross-sections in t
form of a vertical "eight". This led to the complication of the design of the spacecraft during the transition from the "eight" to t
cylindrical spacecraft in the middle of the submarine, but made it possible to compactly arrange the inclined missile containe
on the ship.
For the armament of the Project 661 SSGN , a low-flying anti-ship missile with an underwater launch was created for t
first time in the world. Since the turbojet engine anti-ship missiles of the "P-6" type could not be launched and operate und
water near a missile with an underwater launch, it was necessary to ensure the launch and launch of a sustainer turbojet engi
in flight after the anti-ship missile launcher came to the surface when firing from a submerged submarine. However, in the 6
this problem was not solved and the developer of the Amethyst anti-ship missile system OKB-52 adopted solid propellant rock
motors as the main and starting engines of the new anti-ship missile system.This made it possible for the "Amethyst" rocket
launch from a container filled with water with a "blind" rear bottom (without a back cover) like an underwater launch.
BR from the missile silo. But; due to the lower efficiency of solid propellants in comparison with the turbojet engine, t
flight range of the "Amethyst" cruise missile turned out to be significantly shorter than that of the "P-6" type cruise missile. T
flight speed of the new rocket was also subsonic. The missiles were in containers with folded wing consoles. The containe
were permanently installed at an anti-ship missile launch angle - 32.5 ° to the main plane of the submarine. The miss
developer did not solve the problem of vertical launch of anti-ship missiles.It was believed that with a vertical launch, the rock
after exiting the water, would rise to a considerable height (make a "slide") above the sea surface before being transferred to
horizontal flight at low altitude. The inclined (at a slight angle to the horizon) arrangement of containers excluded their placeme
in the PC and complicated the design of the outer case.
The launch of the Amethyst anti-ship missile was carried out from the container after filling the annular gap with water a
depth of 30 m. The underwater starting engine was launched in the container, with the help of which the rocket reached t
surface and its wing consoles were opened. Then the starting engine of the air trajectory was triggered, accelerating the rock
after which the main engine was turned on and it rushed to the target. The target designation of the Amethyst anti-ship miss
system, due to the short firing range, was provided by the submarine SAC, and the autonomous on-board control system
combination with the active RLGSN - guiding the missile to the target. Therefore, immediately after the launch of the missile
the SSGN could leave this area.
In 1962, the production of the first frames and shells of the strong hull of the boat began at the Northern Machine-Buildi
Enterprise. The construction of the submarine lasted almost 10 years. This is due to delays in the supply of titanium, vario
component parts, and the long cycle of creating a missile system, which was put into service only in 1968. As it turned out, t
titanium hull requires other methods of strength calculations than the steel one - failure to take this into account led to t
disruption of hydraulic tests of some of the ship's blocks. The delay in construction was also affected by the low rates of supp
of titanium, which was in short supply at that time, which was also in dire need of the aircraft and rocket industries.The bo
moreover, was very expensive, for which it received the nickname "Goldfish" in the navy.
Nevertheless, on state tests in 1969, the submarine at 80% power of the power plant showed an underwater speed of
knots instead of 38 provided for by the specification requirements, and after the submarine was transferred to the fleet duri
tests on a measured mile in 1971, the submarine reached the full power of the reactors with a speed of 44.7 knots, which to th
day has not been surpassed by any submarine in the world! At such speeds, phenomena were discovered that had not yet be
noted on the submarine - at a speed of more than 35 knots, external hydrodynamic noise appeared, created by a turbulent flo
when flowing around the submarine's hull, and its level reached 100 decibels in the central post of the boat.For its high-spe
qualities, the boat was very much liked by the Commander-in-Chief of the USSR Navy, Admiral SG Gorshkov.

 No.21178

>>21177
Nice repost but you really need to fix the formatting, the Greentext filed and entire sentences are cut off.

 No.21179

>>21177
The project 661 SSGN had no analogs either in the Soviet or in foreign fleets in terms of its running and maneuverabi
and served as the undoubted predecessor of the second and third generation submarines with cruise missiles on board a
titanium hulls. However, the delay in its commissioning, a number of tactical shortcomings of the missile system, signifigant priority was given to the upgrading of K-162, including the installation of the P-120 missile system with subsequent replacement by the Granit complex. The bo
became part of the Northern Fleet and from January 1970 to December 1971 was in trial operation, after which it w
transferred to combat strength, but made only a few military campaigns due to the low reliability of mechanisms and equipmen
In 1970, the issue of laying a series of SSGNs of an improved project - 661M - was again discussed . Three versions
the submarine were worked out, differing in displacement (from 5197 to 6208 tons), underwater speed (39-42 knots), pow
plant (43000-55000 hp) and other parameters. However, by this time, the serial construction of Project 670 submarines, whi
did not have such high speed characteristics, but much cheaper and quieter submarines with comparable striking power, h
already been launched .
>Notable aspects of the project
<Absolutely no existing knowledge was to be used in its construction; everything had to be developed from scratch and revolutionary to the industry to which it belonged in order to develop knowledge for the next generation of submarines and beyond
<the speed and safe diving depth of Projekt 661 was almost twice as fast as any existing NATO submarine to this day and over triple the diving depth at 600m
<Projekt 661 was able to outrun and outdive all existing NATO deep-water running torpedos
<Projekt 661 directly led to the development to the Projekt 705- a rough copy of Projekt 661 reconfigured for SSN purposes, 705 suffered from extreme noise at speed(150 db+), the 705A was supposed to fix this but was never built due to the collapse of the USSR. The other direct development was the SSGN Projekt 949 which was a more streamlined and quieter version of 661 at the cost of speed, durability, and diving depth. 949 would also develop in the largest submarine ever built in the form of the K-329, a modified 949A by the Russian Federation by adding several metres to the length of the hull in order to house a fully autonomous nuclear torpedo that can attack any target in the world on its own(The torpedo is larger than most subs) which itself is developed from 661's planned feature to split its hull to become 2 vessels to attack several strategic targets.

 No.21180

Also which one of you is the one copy+pasting my old posts

 No.21609

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 No.21673

>>21617
The absolute state of bong military. Why don’t you recruit quadriplegics and dying cancer patients while you’re at it.

 No.21683

>>21673
but muh anti-abalism activism

 No.21699

>>21618
I'm guessing the mentality is "Hey, they're gonna die regardless, might as well utilize them as fodder *sips tea* "

 No.21714

>>21699
this would make seance if Britain was still a real power

 No.21718

>>21714
They're still a strong vassal of the USA

 No.21722

>>21718
>vassal
yes
>strong
no

 No.21724

>>21722
They have nuclear capability a large fleet and airforce and more, they are militarily superior to most other countries and are a significant part of projected NATO power in Europe, I can meme and laugh about the state of their armed forces but at the same time I don't ignore that they are a real military threat to a majority of countries that aren't Russia, China, Iran and Belarus or countries of similar power.

 No.21746

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>>21724
>They have nuclear capability
yeah, but very few warheads, not enough to be used in strategic warfare
>large fleet
>no cruisers
>only six destroyers
>12 frigats
>10 subs
>2 carriers (no catiputls)
yeah its to small to be effective
>and airforce
>no bombers
>no air suppority fighters
>only 178 multirole
>of which only 21 are stealth and capible of using carriers
Again they are a joke, not only when compared to real modern great powers (US, China, Russia, India) but also compared to what Britian used to be. Modern Britain is not a great power, they aren't even a power at all, but a pawn in the Sino-American global chessboard.

 No.21755

>>21746
All this is true, I'm just pointing out that Britain is still a military force that can be a thorn in the side of any advanced country and certainly retain the capability of crushing smaller countries. In the case of a Ukraine based conflict against Russia they'd be the USA's cannonfodder and at least provide a suitable stalling force and they're getting ready for that role in any upcoming big conflict.

 No.21756

>>21755
They just don't have the forces required to wage a sustained campaign, unlike America and Russia. Also most of Britain's military equipment has parts made outside of Britain, unlike Russia, and unlike America they don't have the ability to make those components domestically. They could be impactful for a mount, but not for three mouths.

 No.21759

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>>21724
>>21755
The absolute state of their navy currently is that they sent a small patrol boat to try and do gunboat diplomacy with some French fishermen who promptly laughed and shut off the power until the English came crawling back to the negotiating table.

That and they have a smaller strategic force than France. I want to emphasize that point greatly. And one day I want to get into just how absolutely hilarious the French forces are(hint: it involves just coasting on post-war captured German stuff and relying on pre-WW2 doctrine and technology) and I can say that the English are even worse off. Mostly because of an absolute shit economy and reliance on the USA whereas France has the economy to support its military and is actively against relying on the USA but is held back by general incompetence. Insert a 1939 or "history is round" joke here for the absolute parody of history repeating itself yet again.

 No.21760

>>21759
Its sad when Israel or Saudi Arabia arguably have a stronger military then them.
>and I can say that the English are even worse off. Mostly because of an absolute shit economy and reliance on the USA whereas France has the economy to support its military and is actively against relying on the USA but is held back by general incompetence. Insert a 1939 or "history is round" joke here for the absolute parody of history repeating itself yet again.
European militaries only exist right now because of inertia and NATO obligations. On a practical level none of it makes any real sence. Its just historical vestiges.

 No.21763

>>21760
>Its sad when Israel or Saudi Arabia arguably have a stronger military then them.
Meh, Israel is essentially a US military base that has achieved statehood so that one's kinda 'justified' and Saudi Arabia's military is a hodge podge of whatever they can buy off NATO states like Canada so despite being able to bankroll a massive military they're being beaten by fucking Yemen insurgents and have managed to lose M1A2s and Apaches to hand thrown IEDs(how the fuck you get within throwing range in an Apache I have no clue)

 No.21764

>>21763
when you compare non-WMD forces Saudi Arabia is stronger then France of Britain, also they aren't losing in Yemen, so much as its a stalemate in mountains

 No.21765

>>21764
They outnumber Yemen something close to 3-1, have proper military hardware, and the entire point is to get rid of Yemen as a show of force against Iran or the Iran-related minorities in Yemen anyways. So the fact not only are they in a stalemate, but lost a third of their armoured force, 20 Abrams, in a single ambush(even losing a single MBT is rare for most militaries and they lost 20 to some RPG-7s), and have had their own oil fields in their own territory attacked shows exactly how utterly stupid Saudi Arabia is; anyone with half a brain could have won the war in Yemen for the Saudis but they're in a stalemate where THEY'RE on the backfoot more than the rebels are. Yugoslav and Soviet Partisans are weeping tears of joy in their graves.

If Saudi Arabia went to war with the UK or France leaving nukes aside, it wouldn't be a matter of who would win with the better military, it's a question of who will throw their entire military away in a stupid decision first. And at this point it's neck and neck cause they're all horrible at managing their own militaries. DID I MENTION FRANCE STILL USES PRE-WW2 DOCTRINE? At this point it's tweedledee, tweedledumb, and tweedledumber and I don't know which one is which.

 No.21766

>>21765
>They outnumber Yemen something close to 3-1, have proper military hardware, and the entire point is to get rid of Yemen as a show of force against Iran or the Iran-related minorities in Yemen anyways. So the fact not only are they in a stalemate, but lost a third of their armoured force, 20 Abrams, in a single ambush(even losing a single MBT is rare for most militaries and they lost 20 to some RPG-7s), and have had their own oil fields in their own territory attacked shows exactly how utterly stupid Saudi Arabia is; anyone with half a brain could have won the war in Yemen for the Saudis but they're in a stalemate where THEY'RE on the backfoot more than the rebels are. Yugoslav and Soviet Partisans are weeping tears of joy in their graves.
Thats just how warfare in mountains works, its a war of attrition.

 No.21772

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On the topic of armed forces that are not what they used to be:
https://archive.md/K4aQ4

 No.21814

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the British should not be allowed to operate planes

 No.21816

>>21814
>pic
fucking kek

 No.21841

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war has changed

 No.22056

>>1505
Post this on AKM because it is military related

 No.23171

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Recently been reading the AVP wiki cuz I've been rewatching the movies and looking at the game let's plays and the only listed Colonial Marine melee is a combat knife based on the American M9 bayonet, the appearance got me curious because it looked like an AKM bayonet. I go to wikipedia; lo and behold, "The M9 bayonet was designed and developed by Charles A. "Mickey" Finn at his R&D company, Qual-A-Tec.[1][2][3] It is a refined copy of the Russian AKM 6H3 bayonet.[4] He later produced it under the Phrobis III name, filling a military contract for 325,000 units in 1986."
But nah only de "dum gommies" copied "thuperior American technology"
And hell they copied an already outdated Soviet bayonet that had already been replaced in service in 1974, 10 years late. But it's not unusual, ironically until the late 80s the USSR had been ahead in all the innovative technologies that are now thought of as the norm of modern military tech.
https://archive.ph/6dL6X

 No.33511

Moved to >>>/AKM/2853.


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