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>>18782
It always bothered me how In The Pale Moonlight was resolved. I know it's considered one of the best DS9 episodes, but it's literally Sisko doing an American-style false flag and justifying it to himself in the end. This is especially concerning because this in the context of it being revealed that the first Iraq War was based on a staged false-flag.

>>18055
Based as fuck. I love that Trek had so many numerous acknowledgements of the USSR

>>17466
>Chakat universe books
The main site is mostly dead though

If I buy Star Trek from Paramount… I could make caitians in live action a thing with no jokes about cats?

>>19458
I guess, but good luck pulling that off.

>>2207
>DS9
>Peak Star Trek. Has plenty of high-concept sci-fi, but handled by actual characters, against a backdrop of regional galactic politics that can develop instead of previous shows being almost completely isolated episodes.
I will maintain to my dying day that "Duet" is *the* finest episode of television ever filmed.

Plus, DS9 has an episode where a Ferengi earnestly and sincerely quotes Marx. That was a fun scene.

>I second this >>1870 for the order but note that you definitely can skip around TNG, which has some fucking cringeworthy early episodes before they figured out what they were doing with the series.
I'd argue it was less "figuring out" and more "waiting for Roddenberry to stop vetoing good ideas". It's no coincidence that the end of his micromanaging due to poor health, and the dramatic increase in script quality, both happened at the same time between seasons 2 and 3. I've often felt like seasons 3 and 4 were of such quality because they were made up of 4 whole seasons worth of good ideas, compressed down into 2.

Speaking of caitians, what does /trek/ think of lyrans?

>>14889
DS9 purposefully changed things because they didn't want it to be a utopian society anymore.

>>14889
Why didn't they just replicate a baseball card ?

>>19577
>Why didn't they just replicate a baseball card ?
You see, Data, humans appreciate things that are genuine, for sentimental reasons.

>>19625
>genuine
what's the difference ?
don't replicators make atomic scale accurate replicas ?

People in the star trek future will still care about rarity, when they haven't used markets and money for centuries ? Capitalists say that their value system is transcendental, on an ideological level however we know that value perception is related to economic structure. If you lived in a society based on a economy that functionally has no scarcity because you can make perfect replicas of everything you could ever need there is no point in perceiving the original of something as different than a perfect copy.

>sentimental reasons.
The concept of the original is only valid in our world because we can't make perfect copies, and if we loose an original we lose information, so it's not a sentimentality for us to care about preserving artifacts, but it will be in a future with replicators.

>>19626
>don't replicators make atomic scale accurate replicas ?
Are you actually autistic? It's possible to recreate any Van Goch painting if you are a crafty artist in the detail, still not gonna be the same.
>People in the star trek future will still care about rarity, when they haven't used markets and money for centuries ? Capitalists say that their value system is transcendental, on an ideological level however we know that value perception is related to economic structure. If you lived in a society based on a economy that functionally has no scarcity because you can make perfect replicas of everything you could ever need there is no point in perceiving the original of something as different than a perfect copy.
Fucking lol. Artworks even in capitalism can easily be reproduced, but the art commodity is fundamentally different because it requires the creation by an artist which makes it an absolute monopoly.
>The concept of the original is only valid in our world because we can't make perfect copies, and if we loose an original we lose information, so it's not a sentimentality for us to care about preserving artifacts, but it will be in a future with replicators.
We pretty much fucking can make perfect copies (just not with replicators) yet people still appreciate the original. Any smith today can produce you a sword far better in every aspect than an actual sword from the middle ages but the latter is still what's appreciated in collections and museums.

Will DS9 be as inspirational as TNG was? By inspirational, I mean, hope for the future, being the best possible version of yourself. I know it's supposed to be a lot darker but I find it hard to believe that people prefer DS9 over TNG if DS9 is just Zack Snyder's Star Trek.

>>19771
DS-9 is not as futuristic IMO and is a bit less ideal, but still had good messages and ideas.

>>19628
atomic precision replicators would allow you to copy paste objects like computer files, that's different than just making really accurate replicas. It's like going from analog to digital, it was big deal for data and it will be an even bigger deal when that happens for other objects.

>>19771
TNG is better, but DS9 is still good

Listen and I'll tell you a tale I've been told
Of a union organizer who knocked a starship cold
They met where the stars are squattered thin out along the galactic rim
And starfleet command is sorry that they ever ran into him

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

Now the ship was patrolling rim stars when she got a call for aid
And up come a local convoy in a hurried grim parade
Saying Captain we've caught a monster whose far much for us by far
So take him and throw him into the heart of the nearest star

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

Just why do you need a whole convoy the Captain wished to know
Three ships to guard the other less decrepit as we go
Now the Captain was intrigued and he said stand by for scan
But all that showed on the viewing screen was little ol'union man

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

The Captain said I can take him and he beamed the man aboard
The convoy turned and raced away crying Thank the Lord
Then the Captain looked him over asking just what's going on
That they sent out half their trading fleet just to make sure you were gone.

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

The little old man just chuckled saying Captain don't you know
My job is organizing wherever I may go
And I can build a union out of anything you got
And the folks that run that planet well they disliked that a lot

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

I first organized the laborers Then i unionized the clerks
Then i unionized the robots that staffed the atomic works
But when I organized the milk cows and led them out on strike
Well you can guess what official reaction to that was like

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

Amazing said the Captain but you cant do that in here
My crew are loyal navy men and we've no cause for fear
But he heard the old man saying as he walked out the door
Captain, yano, there have so been navy unions before

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

Well the Captain soon forgot him setting course for starbase five
For all he saw the union man he might not ever of been alive
Till a troubled ensign asked him 'is it true sir what they say?
That we've got high hazard duty without high hazard pay?'

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

Well the Captain couldn't answer except to say its true
Starfleet could pay you better but there's not much I can do
But when he woke up next morning he found out what moral was like
For the bridge was filled with pickets and the whole crew was on strike

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

Then the union man walked up and said I'm sorry to trouble you
But your ship is now a job shop of the I-W-W-U
We've sent our demands to Starfleet command and they said they'd grant us none
So we're just gonna keep on sailing till this strike is won

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

Now further we've decided to run this co-op style
Giving everyone experience at each others job awhile
We like you too much to dump you at the first starbase we see
But we bolted you to the galley and this weeks command to me

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

So somewhere down in the galley you'll find poor Captain Kirk
Scrubbing away on dishes swearing it'll never work
And Spock as he dries those dishes says 'It might succeed I fear'
And please Sir while you're washing don't splash water in my ear

Pull up your guns
Run while you can
Look out here comes the union man

>>21060(me)
forgot link https://filkyeahfilk.com/2015/01/26/fuckyeahfilk-this-is-the-only-song-ive-ever/

>>21060
Ah damn I came here to post this. Nice.

>>19513
Based and Spess Ket pilled. see earlier thread posts on it.

What do you guys think of the DS9 episode "Far Beyond the Stars"?

>>21362
just an ok episode with psychological themes, Sisko has to figure out what the real reality is. It was a nice fan service for showing the main cast without the monster make up.

New Discovery season started btw.

>>21364
The last one put me to sleep, it was full of holes and inconsistencies and the "resolution" to this big bang shit or whatever disabled the warp drive was completely insignificant. Honestly feel sorry for the lead actress, she really tries to act her heart out but her character is so unlikeable and she probably botched her career with this.

>>21362
As an episode, it was nice fan service. For it's message, it's a bit too much bleeding heart liberal for me. The problem with DS9 is that they didn't know how to wrap it up in season 7, so they keep making references to how the entire Star Trek universe is actually just in the head of a writer, but went nowhere with it.

In general DS9 had amazing potential to be one of the best shows of all time if it were done with a HBO or Amazon budget and dedicated writers that go for full serialization. Imagine DS9 being executed like The Expanse. They were sadly ahead of its time.

>>21363
Marc Alaimo must be the only person who looks a bit ugly IRL but looks weirdly enticing under a Cardassian make up. Not gay btw.

>>21367
Dude was born to play a Cardassian, just look at the man. In fact, he pretty much set the blueprint for how most Cardassians act as far as I'm concerned.

>>21366
>For it's message, it's a bit too much bleeding heart liberal for me

Really? There were far more liberal episodes than this one. The one where the message was basically Great Man theory, in the same season, was an example.

>>21376
I think the worst moment in DS9 is when Sisko poisons an entire planet to own a few rebel colonists.

>>21375
He was the first Cardassian to be shown on stream, in TNG. It would have been cool if they revealed in DS9 that this guy actually was Dukat and just gave the Federation a fake name.

>>21376
Idk, it really does not have another message other than "racism bad". But there even was a Stalin reference in the episode now that I remember it.

>>21377
Yep, socialist states never did soemthing on that scale even when they crushed rebellions. To make matters worse, he also did it due to personal honor because he felt betrayed, not even for the cause itself. To lie the Romulans into a war with a false flag was also pretty bad, especially considering that episode aired after it was revealed that the Nayirah testimony that led to the first Iraq War was fake.

The problem with Sisko is that the writers back then didn't know how to write a grey character in television. In one episode he is literally space Jesus with an almost inhuman amount of rightousness and valor (like Picard), and then he does fucked shit like this within a heartbeat. This leaves not a very rounded out impression, but they got the right actor for this, because Brooks comes over as a bit crazy too if you ask me.

>>21406
Ever shown on screen*

My fucking god, e-celebery has to rot my brain

>Lower Deck stealing jokes from RLM
Beyond parody. Star Trek is more dead than Thebes people shitting on it.

>>21420
Is Lower Decks genuinely funny or is it just a zoomer's attempt at bashing and strawmanning old Trek?

>>21420
>>21421
It's Rick and Morty Zoomr humor that does the tired "cartoon parody (but not really)" trope.
See Embed related

>>21375
God he even looks smug irl.

>>21560
the voices sounds almost like the real ones, very nice

>>21362
Those episodes felt forced and out of nowhere

This thread made me start watching TNG.
Don't watch shit on websites with names like watch-series, use Pirate Bay like a sensible person.

>>21823
Why? I like it convenient.

When's a good time to start watching DS9? I'm on season 5 of TNG as of now.
>>21823
>piratebay
If your looking for tv shows or movies, use rarbg. L337X also replaced piratebay as the go to general torrent site, piratebay isn't as vetted as L337X is.
>>21828
Quality is better when you torrent, also you don't get bombarded with shitty captcha or porn ads as much.

>>21838
After season six I think. DS9 starts right after the evacuation of Bajor by the Cardassians.
>Quality is better when you torrent, also you don't get bombarded with shitty captcha or porn ads as much.
Yesmovies is always in HD and almost no ads, although I'm not sure if they have Star Trek.

>>21838
>When's a good time to start watching DS9? I'm on season 5 of TNG as of now.

Might as well watch it after. The tonal difference is severe and I feel like it'll work better if you watch it after the finale.

>>21843
Agreed. Also DS9 takes a while to figure out the characters etc.

Better yet: don't watch DS9 at all and just watch Babylon 5.

Just watched the DS9 finale. I wouldn't say it was disappointing, but it didn't hit the same marks as All Good Things for me.

>>22015
How did you like the series overall?

>>22017
I loved it and it was genuinely what I expected for an experiment where Star Trek is pushed to the limit. There's a lot of flaws here and there, some reactionary elements I didn't like, but it makes up for it with the high peaks that surpasses TNG at times. It balances out like that. DS9 and TNG should be about the same, with DS9 being marginally better for me at some parts.

However, I got really disappointed at the ending. I've had such high expectations since Sacrifice of Angels, which might possibly be the best climactic episode in the series. I didn't really feel a sense of catharsis as I did with All Good Things or Sacrifice of Angels. Gul Dukat's development after Waltz was literally the most retarded thing I've ever seen. I know a lot of people seem to like the finale of DS9 but I really wanted more. It had a lot of good moments but overall I wish it ended differently.

So the Union it is finished
No foreign worlds to mine
So the greedy eye of Cardassia
Is stirring towards DS9
Twenty lightyears from Ferenginar
There's a place called DS9
And the groping hands of Dukat
Are grabbing at its walls
Oh drink on Quark's bar you'll never fall
While spoonheads' greedy hands
will meet the same resistance they did in many lands
May the tribbles rise and drown your cries
And phasers crush your shell
And the neurocine gas will choke your ass and send you all to hell

Why the fuck do people defend and like this show? Why do people defend shit like Last Jedi too? Are people literally fucking mentally deficient? There is no way you can love TOS, TNG, DS9, even VOY and somehow defend this and consider it Star Trek.

>>22101
"Critics" and viewers do seem to like this show. I have no idea why, it's awful and it's plotlines are neither interesting nor Star Trek-ish. At least with The Last Jedi I thought a lot of people disliked it.

But wanna know something? The new Picard show is worse. There is no way STD can ever reach levels of debacle "ST: Picard" was.

>>22116
>Star Trek-ish.
The Orville is startrekish, if you haven't, watch that

It really shows just how bad the writing is on STD. I mean they always try to shoehorn in Mikey Spock into everything to make her the center of the universe.