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What are your thoughts on the Joker movie? Could it be considered somehow leftist?
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 No.7870

>>7866
>who is displayed as a charismatic, good looking guy
Did you watch the same movie as I did? He's a skinny mentally ill middle-aged dude. He isn't charismatic except in his own mind.
>turned invincible slaughterer
Hardly, he just lucked out in the situation
>A real freak, or a mentally ill person is someone you would probably never relate with or feel sympathy for
Having known a few 'freaks'… I disagree.

 No.7962

>>7870
I guess you should try leaving your house and interact with people.

 No.8045

>>7962
How is that an argument at all. If you think Arthur is anything like a charismatic, good-looking guy according to most people, you haven't paid attention to society

 No.8053

>>7866
That's almost always the case, seriously mentally ill are treated like tragic romantics or superhuman maniacs, when the reality is closer to something like an episode of hoarders.

 No.8055

>>8053
>mentally ill are treated like tragic romantics or superhuman maniacs
Watch One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. The Joker is a tragic romantic he is shown as desperate and deluded, who wants to be admirable and admired but fails because he cannot understand how to do it right and his societal position only further handicaps him. And while a normal person just sucks it up and lives on, he loses it and goes on a mad streak of fame-inducing events.

 No.8701

Literally poor man Scorsese 70's movie.
Was very bad imho.

 No.8856

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i like this movie because it can actually spark interesting conversations unlike pretty much all other capeshit

 No.8859

>>8856
>Those Rambo III titles
Kek

 No.11129

>>8856
The irony of your post is that conversation died after it was posted LOL. Revive you glorious thread.

 No.11130

>>5934
WHY WOULD YOU STEAL SUCH EPIC QUINTS?!

 No.11133

Since this is a Joker thread I might as well ask this. Which version of Jokers - (in films, cartoons/comic-verses or games) - do you like the most?
Which do you hate/dislike?

Personally I think Nicholson plays a good Joker, but is overshadowed by Heath Ledger's Joker. The Joker in Mask of the Phantasm is essentially the same Joker as Batman TAS's Joker and was great. The Batman Beyond Joker was mediocre, it had a similar feel, but compared to the original dynamic was more boring, though Batman Beyond was still great.

Jared Leto was a hip-hop version of Joker that was just cringe… like most DC media of the current era.
Cesar Romero was memeworthy, but was a terrible Joker… (but then again Adam West was a cheesy AF Batman so whatever.
The Joker in Killing Joke was just a bit too edgy and insane to my tastes, compared to the comics, the film was meh. And the version where he killed himself by twisting his head until his neck broke is just obsurd.

I don't know anything about the game Jokers, but apparently one of them roids up or some shit, which was dumb.

 No.11141

>>11133
Just in general I've always had a preference for characterizations where he actually has a friendly sense of humor from time to time, like he will occasionally just drop the psychopathy and have a laugh with batman.

 No.11151

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>>11141
Cheer's Batsy!
My favorite one is this
"See, there were these two guys in a lunatic asylum…and one night, one night they decide they don't like living in an asylum any more. They decide they're going to escape! So, like, they get up onto the roof and there, just across this narrow gap, they see the rooftops of the town, stretching away in the moonlight… stretching away to freedom. Now, the first guy, he jumps right across with no problem. But his friend, his friend daren't make the leap. Y'see…y'see, he's afraid of falling. So then, the first guy has an idea…He says 'Hey! I have my flashlight with me! I'll shine it across the gap between the buildings. You can walk along the beam and join me!' B-but the second guy just shakes his head. He suh-says… he says 'What do you think I am? Crazy? You'd turn it off when I was half way across!'"

 No.13217

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>>11133
The Afro Joker from 2004's The Batman was cringe TBH. His abilities are literally the Tsukiyomi from Naruto but with green and purple colors instead of Red and Black, and it's way too wacky.

 No.13218

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Pic related is a good encapsulation of >>11133 opinion

 No.13219

>>8856
Honestly while dark capeshit, or a breakdown of capeshit with real consequences is interesting, I feel that outside of escapist consumerism, it only works in films and portions. You see this with Joker (2019) and with Batman TAS and Mask of the Phantasm as they really break down the grime but in the case of TAS don't bog you down with grimdark shit, because that only works with media like Berserk which dedicates itself to that exploration. Where it doesn't work as well/gets bogged down IMO is in media like the recent arcs of BnHA - with its superpowered zombies and backstabbing and killing and deranged factionism reminiscent not of capitalist society, but of a feudal one. Stain had an impact because he was a stark contrast to normal villains and before that everything was still pretty upbeat.

The Joker doesn't go into this with all the 'powers' and crap, and instead hits home with real talk - the people, poor and hungry and uncared for, who are trying to live and struggle every day.

I'm sort of rambling here but my point is dark capeshit is good as singular films or arcs, but when you make massive TV series over it, it begins to get tiresome and edgy.

 No.13298

>>743
what happend to socialism or barberism's channel

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 No.13300

>>2353
this image is wrong, e-girls drink white claw

 No.13311

>>13298
deleto'd

 No.19416

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Joker movie released, it attacks capitalism and is basically anti-capitalist propaganda showing the masses rising up against the bourgeoisie and capitalism cutting off a guys mental health support so he becomes a mass murderer. Media attacks the movie both pretending it's shit and that it has a dangerous message.

Immediately right-wingers think wow this movie resonates with me it shows how communism is bad and men are mistreated gonna go watch more Jordan "Lobsters" Peterson. The rightwing projects itself onto the Joker because they're incels and the sympathy one should have for Arthur gets twisted by their minds into a projection of themselves, lonely unloved and mentally ill.

It's not communist propaganda even though it is anti-capitalist. Joker isn't a revolutionary, he says so himself it was essentially accidental. The revolts with the joker masks were also more just populist rioting than anything outright communist, and that's fine, it doesn't need to be an overt ideology to carry across a message.

 No.19417

>>19416
FYI this is an edited repost of another anon's stuff to bump the revived thread.

 No.21848

Embedding error.
Anyone else think that Jim Carrey should play the Joker? He's a brilliantly skilled actor despite being typecast as a slap-stick comedian and honestly I think that his facial expressions and manic grins'd be perfect for an adaptation of the Joker, the best I could find is this deepfake but that's just it, a fake.

 No.21849

>>21848
Jim Carrey already played the Riddler in the old Batman movies, but yeah he would make more sense as the Joker.

 No.21852

Mark Fisher would be proud, since the Joker is an analysis of the nihilistic hedonism of late capitalism. There is no politics in Gotham, and Arthur says it explicitly to Murray that he isn't political. The moment that Arthur loses his identity is the moment that he identifies with the clown that everyone sees in him, when he states that his life is a comedy and not a tragedy. When pressed about why he murdered those rich cunts, rather than defend himself (e.g. "they attacked me first") he immediately moralises - "I killed them because they were awful." In fact, his entire appearance on Murray's show devolves into moralisation, signaling his impotence. Even when he shoots Murray, it is an act of senseless rage hat further highlights the power he lacks. Arthur becomes the Joker when he loses all desire and becomes helplessly controlled by a pure drive towards destruction, internalizing a society that is itself self-destructive. The end of the movie is exactly what you'd expect: unguided chaos in a dying city stuck in a deadlock, with no hope of any change but it's own destruction, and the newly born Joker, apolitical and a slave to his impulses, becomes a symbol for it. On the same night, Batman is born when Thomas Wayne finally gets what he fuckin' deserves.
Truth is that it isn't a political movie at all, which is what makes it so political. The creators simply wanted to give a realistic backstory for the Joker, asking how Gotham city might have created him. What they ended up with was a tragic situation so traumatic that in the protagonist must view it as a comedy in order to survive, and that such a situation reflects the state of many under late capitalism so well is striking. One must wonder why so many liberal reviewers seem to hate the movie for it's nihilistic core. What did they expect to see, of course it's nihilistic because it's about the Joker…right?

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 No.22859

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>>22858
You're mad about the expected idiocy of burger political ideology, meanwhile I'm annoyed by the comic having a decent illustration of the khomeini and then turned Joker into Arab Nega Chin

 No.24065

>>21849
Yeah he really didn't fit the role of Riddler IMO, it's too close to the parodic Adam West Riddler and like most of Batman and Robin, really didn't fit the set up that Burton made in the prior 2 Batman films.

 No.24069

>>13219
I think you could do a TV show or some other long-form thing out of it but the catch is that to keep it fresh and not get too grimdark, you would have to keep changing status quo and premise. A show that pulled that off recently was The Good Place, and a similar format could work for something critical of capeshit (or any other ossified genre fiction standing in as allegory for real society). But to do that you would have to dedicate the whole product to it and commit to a series arc that took you through whatever conflict actually does change things, with each "season" or whatever division handling some distinct stage of the process, whether that involves an unstable situation progressively breaking down or progress in the struggle to overturn things.

 No.24070

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 No.27555

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>>24070
Nice edit. The original for anyone looking

 No.27717

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A planned Joker II is coming out. I am tentatively optimistic

 No.30982

>>27717
Honestly I don't think it should be continued, it's going to be hard to find a decent plot continuation that doesn't feel contrived.

 No.31898


 No.31905

>>30982
I agree. Just make another thing.
>>31898
How the fuck did you break the site?

 No.31926

>>31905
I didn't, the Embed was fine before, something fucked up a ton of Embeds across the site a month ago.

 No.31927

>>30982
When I first heard about Joker sequel, I just rolled my eyes at the obvious cashgrap that it was, and then I heard it is supposed to be a musical starring lady Gaga, and I am fully on board.

 No.31941

>>31927
>a musical starring lady Gaga
It better be her being an arrogant cunt brought low by the Joker's machinations.

 No.31977

I don’t think it’s leftist and it was more of a liberals attempt to demonstrate the very bad awful mayhem that could result from a “society” in the abstract that turns its back on certain undesirables or social outcasts. That’s bad because it stops capitalism from running smoothly and riles up the masses. With the absence of Batman this subtext about maintaining order under capitalism isn’t quite as apparent but it’s still there because Joker inadvertently causes the death of Bruce Waynes parents. Of course, from a leftist perspective you could look at all the chaos of heightened protests that result in rioting at the end as not necessarily a bad thing, but the subtext is pretty obviously trying to point you in a different direction. You’re supposed to fear the unattended consequences of a small boys wealthy parents dying as a result of all these events. This also foreshadows Batman who is symbolically a paragon of the forces attempting to maintain order under capitalism.

 No.36102

>>31977
>a liberals attempt to demonstrate the very bad awful mayhem that could result from a “society” in the abstract that turns its back on certain undesirables or social outcasts. That’s bad because it stops capitalism from running smoothly and riles up the masses.
While it can be interpreted in this way, I don't think that was the intent at all. It's not communist or something, but the main idea is essentially humanitarian and leftist in a more root sense than the superficiality of liberalism. It depicts the rich as entitled stuffy assholes which look down over the people like one would look at insects. It depicts common people as ignorant, full of infighting and misery in their situations, that at every level people in this capitalist society are thorny and unpleasant to others unless they have a motive otherwise. We follow the main character as a way to see this and we see a man slowly go insane and stop playing by the rules, and in doing so he resonated with people and gained their attention and sympathy.

 No.37205

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Heath Ledger's Joker is (for good reason) considered one of the best Joker depictions in live action. What people don't know or have forgotten is that a large portion of the Dark Knight films' aesthetics are taken from the fantastic 90s film, The Crow.

Chris Nolan stated that the look and cadence for Joker were based on Brandon Lee's performance and role. The crow symbol being painted on walls and the burning gas Crow symbol was also used for the burning Batman logo in those same films. Ghost Rider and DareDevil also used this idea (pic 2 rel). Moreover the dark humor and violence is also similar, with the Crow taking hits intentionally as did the Joker while calmly replying.

As a side note, there's also a connection to Keanu Reeves. Back in the 90s it was rumored that role of Neo was written with Brandon Lee in mind, which if you look at The Crow's trenchcoat you can see the aesthetics of, and considering Brandon Lee's martial arts training and that Keanu hadn't really played such serious roles at the time, makes sense. Lee's stunt-double and friend, Chad Stahelski, was also Keanu's stunt-double in The Matrix, and later went on to Co-direct Keanu's other hit performance, John Wick.

The Crow in general had huge influence on films after itself despite being rather obscure itself, even in more tragic areas, as Brandon Lee's death due to the gun mishap lead to a lot of changes made in filming as a result. Big time safety precautions were put into law that pertain to film sets. There were no incidents for a long time after this film fortunately, because of these safety changes. Unfortunately not everyone got on board and took safety for granted, like on the set of that Alec Baldwin film.

 No.37255

>>27555
Thanks, I was just looking for it.

 No.37256

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>>27555
>555
>posting sauce
Checked

 No.40513

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>>37205
The Crow 2024 got its first trailer and god it sucks from every angle. And it's ironic that Heath Ledger's Joker was so based on Eric Draven's design because this design for the Crow seems blatantly ripped from 2016's Suicide Squad's Joker, portrayed by Jared Leto… I even looked it up and its so blatant that a lot of people called this out. I have 0 optimism for this movie being even slightly good.

 No.40514

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>>40513
>casting the fucking IT actor as The Crow
This is the kind of decision making you get from studio execs who only saw the promotional material and not the actual movie.

 No.40516

>>7962
this

 No.40517

>>13217
fuck this faggot this joker was based

 No.40518

Arthur has lumpen “consciousness”? and that’s kind of strange to see on film. Also, he did have a job at the beginning of the film but is fired and descends more into mental illness. You don’t normally see terrorists treated sympathetically in western media. I don’t know if I would call it leftist since Joker doesn’t have a coherent ideology and is just acting on vengeful instinct. That said, if shit ever really hits the fan you might have a lot of violent activity from individual actors. The shooting of the bankers snowballing into mass riots seems like a fantasy an anarchist following “propaganda of the deed” might have. I remember police being sent to movie theaters the film was playing in almost like there was an instinctual knee-jerk reaction by paranoid officials to squash people getting funny ideas about copying what they see.

 No.40523

>>40517
Ok bitch.

 No.40529

>>40518
> I don’t know if I would call it leftist since Joker doesn’t have a coherent ideology and is just acting on vengeful instinct.
The whole point of the movie is that he doesn't and what happens is driven by material circumstances rather than some belief system.
>The shooting of the bankers snowballing into mass riots
It's just the spark that ignites the tinder. The whole movie is spent showing conditions in the city deteriorating. Arthur Fleck is just one person experiencing social decay.


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