A general for "western" animations/cartoons.
Gonna start off with a recommendation to watch The King and the Mockingbird the 1980 version especially, absolutely comrade-pilled movie.
Good torrent sites (massive pop-up warning, put on an adblocker):
https://kimcartoon.li/CartoonListhttps://rarbg.to/torrents.php?category=movieshttps://rarbg.to/torrents.php?category=2;18;41;49>>47295kinda inevitable when its ridiculously popular which has attracted so many braindead googoo gaga fandomites
>>47295you cant make good art with good feels, hate the fucking retards that cant understand the depiction of something isnt an endorsement, their opinions are worse than worthless, they're actively detrimental to any creative endeavor quality and should be bullied until they learn to shut the fuck up
>>47295>I don't know why it is so controversial to say that fandoms, fan culture, the concept of being a "fan" itself, etc. are inherently retarded. It's always the same shitty dynamics, just with varying degrees of intensity.Is it that controversial? I feel like pretty much anyone who isn't already part of a fandom would agree lmao
>>47298Nah, even outside of fandoms ideas like "depiction = endorsement" have put down roots. If the narrative doesn't gently take the reader by the hand and say "what these characters are doing is abusive and wrong, and they're going to be punished for their evil ways," there is a not inconsiderable number of people that will loudly come to the conclusion that the narrative is saying that whatever is being depicted is okay, and the author believes, supports, and endorses it.
>>22918How are they the biggest defenders of capitalism?
>>47305by reproducing the ruling ideology (liberalism) I guess
Been checking a few of the recent Internet indie animation darlings. Some unsolicited thoughts
>Helluva Boss
Tried multiple times with this but just couldn't get over how mid the humor is and how it often feels like a sensitive Tumblr kid trying and failing to be edgy because they don't believe in it. I'm not necessarily against what it's trying to do, I have a bit of a theater kid side in me and I surprisingly vibe with the character designs and songs, it's just that the writing is really mediocre and not enjoyable. This feels to me like one of those franchises that's sustained more by fandom (i.e. churning out new characters for merch, providing a lot of fanfic fuel, lots of songs for fan creators to cover, that kind of thing) than quality, but maybe that's a bit unfair.
>Murder Drones
Really fun. Loved the visual direction, the density of the writing, the over-the-top robo violence, how it uses anime influences without going fully into pastiche. Although the
humor and the horror elements felt a little trite sometimes. I do prefer the version of the show that the pilot was hinting at, with the protagonists being less moral, the designs a little more fanservicey, and N showing his dangerous side more often. "Let's exterminate humanity" felt like a more intriguing premise. Even then, the whole show felt like something I'd never quite seen before, so for it to have this level of production quality makes me glad for where indie animation is at.
>Punch Punch Forever
One of the most entertaining things I've watched in a while. Just a really good time. Really funny, really creative, the fast pacing is exciting and the action scenes are surprisingly fun in their own way.
Accepting recommendations. Still a little on the fence about whether to watch all of Digital Circus
>>22918>>47305>>47306>>47307thats just anyone whos a proper citizen of bourgeois society, artists arent some special kind of petit bourgeois, and whatever they do in their private lives is irrelevant to art itself. even marx loved shakespeare, etc
>>47298>I feel like pretty much anyone who isn't already part of a fandom would agree Even IN fandoms some people would agree, it's not really about fandoms, it's more a cancerous infantile mentality towards story telling. I think it comes in part from liberal ideologues constantly crying about depictions of racism or other discrimination in films from the past and demanding censorship of it (like censoring Tom Sawyer) when really its just overly sensitive infantile people being uncomfortable with something or projecting and getting triggered.
Even with stuff like StarShip Troopers people will fucking foam at the mouth calling it pro-fascist when Heinlein also wrote books that directly contradicted the ideology in StarShip Troopers, because a story and characters in stories aren't necessarily an authorial self-insert.
>>47321Ppf is great, looking forward to the next one
>>47332The worst thing about it is definitely how long the new episodes take, but I respect that it's a consequence of speedoru doing nearly everything by himself.
>>47444I liked it. Also yes, the framing device of his story being told by a fictional concentration camp guard was a strange choice, but I suppose it can be treated as like an extended metaphor for the guilt and dejection he would have felt from fleeing the fall of Catalonia
>>47295Pomni I get, Jax was a bit of a surprise. But yeah that shit about "muh abusers" is retarded.
Also Episode 8 was just a wrecking ball. I feel so bad for Caine.
>>47295Honestly, fandom is just anti-art (and yes, even silly Internet cartoons for kids should be treated as art, life is just better that way).
The moment a show starts significantly responding to fandom, it's over. The creators just become babysitters whose job is to maintain a subculture. Because fandom people don't care about the thing you're creating on its own merits. They want characters to ship and cosplay as, they want to experience new episodes the way people experience sporting events, and so on. And none of that is necessarily bad, but catering to those needs is an enormous restraint for actual creativity, because most of the interesting art that can potentially be made won't have the right mixture of flashy, inoffensive and pandering that sustains fandoms.
>>47473The transes on tumblr are in civil war over jax being trans-femme or trans-masc, with the femmes calling any assertion that jax is masc as being transmisogynist.
The new Avatar The Last Airbender movie got leaked and people are being weird about it on X the everything app blaze your glory. If you watch it and discuss it on X, you apparently are personally fucking over the animators and other people who worked on the film. And people will scold you for it. Very weird.
>>47485I'm going to guess neither and they're just projecting.
>>47484>>47486TL;DR: Fandoms are escapism. Being a fan and a fandom are different things.
>>47501 This would actually have merit if the movie wasn't cancelled from theatrical release anyway and would be streaming only, which only a relative few number of people would watch and even fewer using Paramount+ rather than pirating.
The animators already got paid for their work and people enjoyed the animation, so I don't get what they're whining about when physical copies of this will never sell and when it doesn't matter anymore. RWBY is free to watch and has been for over a decade and they still sold physical media and got money for it.
>>47484At least The Furry Fandom actually creates their own stuff seeing how they aren't attached to any particular creator or animation show.
Hell, there are plenty of nice and interesting furry stuff out there.
>>47530>At least The Furry Fandom actually creates their own stuff<posts YA slopLMAO bruh
like furries are literally any fucking better in this regard btw. ever browsed bluesky for like 5 seconds?
>Hell, there are plenty of nice and interesting furry stuff out there.yeah i love all those shitty 5 min animation with 'PILOT' in title for some reason or aimless comic strips that you rexeet to Support Artists(tm) and forget about immediately
oh btw theres yet again some new drama surrounding TADC looool
>>47527>Being a fan and a fandom are different thingsnah the average fan is a barely functional human being, even the normie ones, literally a bunch of autists and/or (wo)manchildren obsessing over pop culture lol
>>47486i remember all the vitriol this guy got from gaymers. eternally vindicated
anyway go be curious and experience more stuff, stop laser focusing on a single piece of media
>>47555Yeah, Imageboards are full of retards who keep on bring contrarians. And Ebert is irrevellant in the modern day.
>>47486Why should I care about a dead film critic's opinion about video games? Roger Ebert's opinion of video games means nothing because he is a film critic.
>>47558>>47559funny that you call other people retards but you misspelled two words within two sentences and both of your posts are complete non sequiturs in relation to what they're replying to.
>>47560Finally! They are releasing it!
>>47586I don't really care for shadman's art but I do appreciate his willingness to make stuff that people find fucked up.
>>47587is this guy seriously saying that trump, brexit, etc etc are because of fandom culture/capeshit… what a retard
>>47599its not hard to actually read the thing you know
https://www.theguardian.com/books/2024/oct/26/fandom-has-toxified-the-world-watchmen-author-alan-moore-on-superheroes-comicsgate-and-trumpalso having such a reaction posting on an imageboard is hilarious, like the average nerd isnt exactly some chud loser whether leftoid or rightoid
>>47607these teenagers gotta be given important things to do
>>47607these people thinking they're leftist rebels probably while doing the state's moral policing for free
>>47600I guess I don't know what chud means I thought it was exclusively for an alt-right male
>>47607>Once again, do not send hate or harm to Gooseworx, Michael Kovach, or Ashley.sure bud
>This video is meant to express my dislike for their r4cist and anti-Jewish jokes.LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>47556Absolutely manufactured drama tbh. People blew shit way out of proportion.
The Michael Kovach drama was people taking a stupid joke from years ago and harassing him into 'apoligizing'. Really he should have just ignored it, but apologizing gave these retards ammunition.
Then Gooseworx said on a livestream a while ago that Jax and Pomni are the main characters of TADC and thus will get the most amount of screen time/character development, and she doesn’t get why some fans are mad about that when it’s been clear from the beginning. Some people on Twitter/Bluesky had meltdowns over this statement, but not really directed at Goose for the most part. Some time after that stream, Goose was talking to some fans on a TADC subreddit, and while she did receive a few rude comments, most of them were pretty respectful. The same day, she deactivated her Reddit account. She also made a Bluesky post saying something like, “I’m sorry if I upset anyone with the things I said recently, I’m just trying to do my best.” This led to a bunch of people believing she was bullied off of Reddit by an angry mob of toxic fans. YouTubers started making “drama” videos about it like crazy, and fans starting sending a huge outpouring of supportive messages to Goose while also going on witch-hunts for these so-called “toxic fans.” Goose had to clarify that none of that actually happened, she’s just going through some personal mental health issues atm and it had nothing to do with what anyone said to her online. She deactivated her account because she just needs to get offline and take time to herself to heal away from social media. And she also posted something along the lines of, “I don’t want a personal appreciation week for having a public crash-out online. It makes me uncomfortable.” She just wanted everyone to leave her alone, basically. Even the positive attention was too much for her.
>the average fan is a barely functional human being, even the normie ones, literally a bunch of autists and/or (wo)manchildren obsessing over pop culture You're not contradicting me. The average "fan" is part of a fandom. One can be a fan of a work without being involved in the 'community'
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