A general for "western" animations/cartoons.
Gonna start off with a recommendation to watch The King and the Mockingbird the 1980 version especially, absolutely comrade-pilled movie.
Good torrent sites (massive pop-up warning, put on an adblocker):
https://kimcartoon.li/CartoonListhttps://rarbg.to/torrents.php?category=movieshttps://rarbg.to/torrents.php?category=2;18;41;49>>22171Why should I use that weird site instead of pirate bay?
>Король и птицаI'm not seeing that one anywhere? Please post english title as well.
>>22904tl;dr his conclusion is
>I want to believe NFTs could work and help artists but right now it's to "corrupted" and is a scam.Reminder that if you think NFTs are a good idea you are a rube. This video goes into way more depth explaining just how bullshit they are (over 2 hours) if you somehow need to have it explained to you in simple terms.
A really good cartoon from the 90s/early 2000s are the various series by Adelaide Pictures, particularly, Men in Black, Godzilla: The Series and Extreme Ghostbusters (vid related).
The Extreme Ghostbusters (for example) is a cool show, but more importantly does something that modern "diversity" cartoons fail at. The characters are diverse but don't make it a forced point: A latino, a handicapped guy, a black guy, and a goth girl. It was entertaining, had creepy monsters, and didn't feel politically forced. To top it off, it's not a remake, they're the successors to the original Ghostbusters. They also do address ideas like racism but engagingly. For example (spoiler), an episode where a Jewish boy brings a golem to life to keep a bunch of racist thugs (which so happen to be Garrett's old friends) from desecrating his father's synagogue. Moreover instead of making Garrett look like a Anti-PC jerk when Roland brought their racism up, it portrayed Garrett as being unaware of his childhood friends being "Neo-Nazis" and when he discovered that Roland was right and after saving the day he let the authorities rightfully arrest them saying that they were no longer his friends because of the hate crimes they committed and that his real friends were Roland and the rest of the Ghostbusters.
So yeah, really recommend this
>>22904Will watch later, but…
>Calarts reactsona>Daring to call any artstyle shitGlass houses much? I would honestly have to give a long and proper think before deciding if calarts is any better than the mass produced randomgen diarhea that is the ape artstyle.
>>25139>>25181dn worry guys
both of your shows are dogshit adult swim garbage
>>25864>now socialists are just fine with the Ayatollahsare they really? is islamic communist still allowed there or is it altogether banned
>>25870is the movie stop motion animation or actually animated cartoons
>>25870I remember it as being pretty shallow and self serving. She briefly talks about how she had family members that were politically involved and whose stories would actually be interesting, only to spend both books talking about her really mundane, privileged life and how dissatisfied she was with it.
She also throws an innocent man to the wolves when she wears makeup out on the street one day and has a big laugh about it. I guess she feels bad afterward but only because her mother (or grandmother? I forget) calls her out on being such a piece of shit.
Imo it was kind of emblematic of the whole book, just this narcissistic, self serving endeavor. Time and effort that would have been better spent on people with actually interesting lives or things to say.
>>25881I was referring to international socialists. And no, it seems that it is still banned.
In the open, politics still gravitate from conservative to/and reformists.
>>25947because it's mostly produced for kids and the adult ones are produced for teenagers and stoners.
South Park is unironically one of the most consistently well animated western toons and that is a sad thing.
>>25947>if it's not a box office releaseThere's high effort western animated movies, but they're practically unheard of to most people, because they aren't made to sell. Those have to compete with bigger and better known studios like Disney and Illumination, who completely dominate the animated film market.
>and even then it's CGIBecause it's cheaper and less time consuming, maximizing profits.
What are your thoughts on Studio Mirs style. For reference, they animated Korra, Voltron, and the latest Superman cartoon. In a way, I like it, in the sense I prefer in a way a more proportional, human style. I think the problem with current animation is that a lot of it is very round and circle. I know that its slowly changing, but I still think of this era as lets say Steven Universe level roundness to it. However, what I am afraid of, which Studio Mir plays into, is the animafication of western cartoons. Not in the sense of, "GET THAT ANIME OUT OF MY BASED WESTERN CULTURE" but more of the sense that it feels very artificial. Its like trying to catch a fleeting moment. I feel like you can do anime/western mix but right now its as if they are trying to catch a trend rather than doing it for the love. Putting that aside, in a way, I would prefer if a Studio Mir style became the trend, hopefully making its way for more shows in a similar yet different style
>>35317>The extreme end of heterogeneous design>One Piecelol
lmao even
1. Alvida2. Bonney3. Shyarly4. Monet5. Robin6. Hancock7. Baby 58. Rebecca9. Hina10. Nami11. Tashigi12. Violet13. Perona14. Vivi15. Shakky16. Cindry17. Kalifa18. Makino19. Nojiko20. Cavendish21. Ivankov22. Marguerite23. Keimi24. Shirahoshi25. Conis26. Otohime27. Kaya28. Porche >>353241. heterogenous in design, not style (OP has a homogeneous style)
2. there's more to design than just the face
3. 28 characters out of hundreds
Post a better example
>>35318Since we're on the topic of strange 2D animation not by Disney, there's also We're Back - a Dinosaur's Story.
>>35324As a long time One Piece reader, post Time-skip One Piece women, are almost 90% Nami clones, with different outfits and hair. Male characters are much more variable in OP though.
>>35330Not a stoke but he's worked himself into sickness more than once.
>>35340 Probably lol
>>35344Bro relax it isn't the primary thread discussion, just an aside conversation that already ended and it was more about an art-style in general than anime in particular. Threads will and do have conversations outside the OP reason, Rule 26 of the internet bub.
>>35345 >>35346 I love the aesthetics of those small 2D animations in general like Rankin & Bass or Don Bluth, where they didn't shy away from giving characters individuals looks or worn, lived in appearances.
>>35850Since I could only recall the art style and dark themes, I was a bit let down by it being a comedy but still, wow, it was way better than I remembered. So many little details to pick out, think I'll be rewatching this one periodically, at least the first 2/3rds or so. Agreed about not getting a dubbed version,
I mean theres almost no dialogue anywayI wonder if the creators other films are worth watching? I'd only even heard of Les Triplettes de Belleville
>>35852The Illusionist is pretty damn good, though I still think Triplets is his best work.
I honestly love the Triplets of Belleville, it's something I remember seeing as a kid and enjoying every moment of it.
>>35853 Lol, easy mistake and yeah it's pretty old (fuck and I am getting there too).
>>35318I had fun hate watching Anastasia recently.
The whole film is bullshit western propaganda about the Romanovs but it’s animated well.
>>35859This. Rasputin is so bombastic and the story is actually pretty good, if it wasn't based in real events.
Also it spawned a bunch of ripoffs like vid rel.
>>22933Because nothing new can ever be made
Only remakes and reboots forever
Always follow from idealist garbage like "story wheel" jungian, campbellian nonsense when you attempt "new" forms
Follow from ancient aristotelian formulas of creating tension and releasing in catharsis
Always follow film school procedure and established animation styles
Never experiment - never unlock a new way
>>37060>what's /sug/ It's the SU fanbase name
>>2529>spoilerOk u got me lol
>>37064I actually didn't know, I was just pre-empting any funny business
What's so bad about it?
>>37066They harassed several people to suicide because they didn't draw a fat character fat enough
They harassed the creators when they said that they shouldn't harass people and dug out old underage R34 of Ed, Edd and Eddy that the creators drew years ago.
Also doxxing, bot-spamming sites etc. They were so bad that they got the furry treatment on 4chan, kicked off /co/ and /aco/ into /trash/ and banned on sight outisde of it.
>>37048I liked the part where the new Tumblr sexyman is just Bender again.
More series could do with a Bender.
>>37073I'm nostalgic for hiding furry threads inside other threads. We once made a fake DC comics thread with catwhistles in the OP, capefags were cool with it and jannies never spotted the ruse.
Then there was the whole shadow drawthread every caturday, fun times.
>the furry boardApril Furs Day? The one where everyone who posted on it got banned.
>>37148> there was the whole shadow drawthread every caturdayYeah I recall that
>We once made a fake DC comics thread with catwhistles in the OPKek really? You got an archive link?
>jannies never spotted the ruse Yeah current /co/ jannies ban for no reason right now, literally impossible to go there unless it's a show currently being aired, it's why /rwbyg/ gets kicked to /trash/ along with every other cartoon show. They also banned a bunch of people for making a /cog/ board proposal which was made because
A) /v/ was getting a shitton of spinoff boards so why shouldn't /co/
B) If the mods only wanted currently running shows on /co/ then why not just make a /cog/ for non-current shows?
Regardless its with that sort of shit that all the older, better threads got killed.
>>37185Thanks, and yeah I think I caught the tail end of those threads when I was in /co/ (I drifted in and out a lot back then).
>>37184 Where'd you get the caps to begin with? Those look like tumblr posts.
>>37082>contrarianismno you
who said funny
>>37213I didn't know they were referring to it in their post, I didn't see the post to begin with anon.
>>37215 >creator of Murder DronesOh. I can't tell if that's a good thing or a bad thing TBH, since I never saw that show, though the concept summary sounds pretty interesting. Pomni is pretty cute too.
>>37238no he coopted the term and made it about not caring what others thought of you
>>37239yeah i dont think anyone saying based in the last decade is using it that way
Also I'm glad independent animation is getting attention but the content farms are going full throttle with this new cartoon. My recommendations are nothing but garbage clickbait about it.
>>37039>>37048They worked on fucking Hazbin Hotel, they shouldn't act surprised about this.
>>37093Every show should have a Bender.
>>37240>he coopted the term and made it about not caring what others thought of youLMAO
>i dont think anyone saying based in the last decade is using it that way Yeah, since it's used today as a stamp of approval in the same sense as /ourguy/ and the opposite of the term "cringe", something that was used en masse primarily on 4chan in 2015 or so and spread to other social media.
>>37241>the cool CD-ROM effect and aspect ratioWas probably too niche or possibly time consuming to use.
>content farms are going full throttle with this new cartoonProbably because of all the Rule 34 and people taking the bait so easily.
>>37250A whore is a whore, even a digital one.
I'm referring to the ecelebs, not Pomni here >>37249 Saw the video in the middle, and yeah it's just riding the hype and inevitable toxic fandom culture that arises; obviously people on reddit and twitter are going to have the most retarded takes like "Pomni is a bad character for running away". I feel like this is a result of capitalist alienation and the need for escapism resulting in modern fandoms and fandom culture in general becoming toxic groups of assholes… I suppose being a fanboy/girl often comes with the word "FANatic" implied.
I personally liked the pilot, it's disturbingly mindwarping but not overly grotesque, it plays with the old school computer graphics/glitch effect that reminds me of old school early 3D animations and game glitches. The concept of abstraction is kinda interesting as well and the colorful cartoon design offsets the horror without feeling off. Pomni so far is exactly the character the audience is with the most, as like her, we are ignorant of what's going on. Supposedly this is based off of Sartre's No Exit play, however it reminds me more of Five Characters in Search of an Exit from the Twilight Zone, which was inspired by No Exit. It also reminded me somewhat of the original Pinnochio story, regarding the other puppets and Буратино variation, particularly Pomni's jester outfit and Russian name.
On a separate note I find the immense amounts of Rule 34 after the episode debut being less than 2 weeks ago, almost fascinating.
>>37253I've seen that pic everywhere LOL.
Good for you anon, watching a movie or tv show and enjoying it doesn't necessitate being embroiled in the shittiness of the fandom and clickbait ecelebs trying to ride the popularity, enjoy it for what it is.
>>37341it made me laugh, thats more than most shows these days.
also one of the voice actors ALLEGEDLY harassed someone i used to associate with and their boyfriend but i didn't realize it was them until the crdits rolled :^)
>>37346I didn't really like the character designs and the visual fidelity from what I remember was impressive I suppose from an indie perspective but Gooseworx has millions of subs, they're not exactly underground, and it will probably take years for episodes to come out, I don't really see anything special enough to spend a bunch of time discussing/anticipating/etc.
My reading was that they were people who got stuck in some kind of VR hell and the reason why time isn't an issue is that maybe the simulation is running 10000x than real life. But the anon who said it's like SOMA might well be correct and that's a more parsimonious theory I suppose.
>>37343> one of the voice actors ALLEGEDLY harassed someone i used to associate with and their boyfriendWhich VA?
>>37348>SOMA?
>I didn't really like the character designs I thought they were vibrant and colorful.
>Gooseworx has millions of subs Meaningless in this day and age any talentless hack ECeleb can have millions of subs, doesn't mean they're not indie.
>it will probably take years for episodes to come out Gooseworx is working with Glitch and runs Hunipop discussion, having friends with the Hazbin Hotel group, Lackadaisy group and now the group that produces Murder Drones. Episodes will probably be coming out every few months or so considering the pooling of resources here. Also the sheer popularity it exploded into in such a brief time is getting more and more people into it and the attention brings funding. Also there's rumors of a Digital Circus game being developed alongside the series, which is an additional attractant.
>Don't really see anything special enough to spend a bunch of time discussing/anticipatingYou don't, others do.
>>37354>>37357Oh, I didn't see anyone mention it in this thread so I was confused as to what was being referred to.
>>37356 >Sean ChiplockHim? The voice acting is good, but I honestly know nothing about the guy.
*Note: The meme doesn't actually reflect my view. Well kind of, but I don't actually give a shit about calarts. Its a stupid point brought up by people with a clear bias.*
I have seen recently that more and more cartoons have been trying to go the anime route. In a way, I welcomed this, since I wanted more realistic proportions and more serious story telling. But the more I look at it, the more it seems it is all a cash grab. A way of cashing in on the trend of anime. So now they will make all their shows anime. I dislike this. Even if their is styles like lets say Justice League or Teen Titans, Batman Beyond, there is a certain distinct feel to it. But now, they simply want to emulate it. Hell, Scott Pilgrim, the premiere comic that would work wonders with a cartoony style is instead being marketed as an anime. Why? To pander, to try and get that market share. Its cynical. And it doesn't help that more cartoony, rubber hose inspired cartoons are being canned. WB have been especially bad. I'm no John K, with that RETVRN mindset when it comes to animation. But I dislike this trend, especially when it tries to capture the anime essence without truly getting it.
>>37633It's always been funny to me how
off-model Gumball got looped in with the 'calarts' meme. The only real argument is if you compare to the pilot design or something. The show
esp. S1 is outstanding in its era for being absolute eye-candy and not made in North America.
>>37633Streaming services have just turned "anime" into a brand meaning "animation for adults". It's dumb but I care more about the quality of the end products than anything else.
>>37636Yeah the entire meme is bullshit and isn't how the characters actually look. The fact that it caught on tells you about the quality of 4chan/4chan-adjacent discourse.
>>37637>the entire meme is bullshitToonboom isn't bullshit, that got debunked in these threads yeas ago. The images are only vaguely different to the actual models and Gumball is the only one that doesn't fit the meme if only because the rest of the show is so distinct. Beanface is very much an aspect of those 'cartoons' and the general style is very similar to one another, with (again) Gumball being the exception. The reason people started calling Toonboom style "calarts" is because it was "pioneered" in California Arts school, and became associated with it because the school has stopped educating animators properly and just focuses on cheap mass-produced product similar to many of the cheap shitty SoL anime that gets produced en masse in Japan, where they abuse keyframing to save money and time in animation rather than properly animating scenes.
TL;DR: Animation in corporations is shit either way, late stage capitalism is eating itself and mainstream art.
>>37039/co/ has had endless threads about this pilot for weeks, so I decided to give it a watch. I don't really get it. maybe's it's baby's first existentialism for a lot of people?
>>37093>More series could do with a Bender.I hear he's great
>>37633>>37692And American animation was good mostly because it's not some hyper realistic cookie cutter shit. American animation was more about utilizing the distinctiveness of the art form with squash and stretch and visual gags and etc. I'd like to see Japan make some more stuff like Shin Chan and etc.
Yeah some realistic 99s animation would be cool, but what the entire world market is missing is cartoons that really have the spirit of animation.
>>378351- Is this actually from an episode?
2 - what is he cringing so hard at? the lack of sound makes it confusing
>>38179I was comparing the image here
>>38034 not the one with the lingerie, the one from the show still looks bland and sterile in comparison.
I didn't even dislike the show but I don't like how everything has no sex appeal in general nowadays and the trend of 'problematic' noticer people is fucking annoying.
>>38376Just finished the first season and yeah, not awful, but not great.
>Star fleet isn't a military organization anymore>discipline, what's that?>characters constantly worried about being "fired">everyone is some kind of jerk>too many fucking references>not much science fiction>still tainted with dogshit abramstrek crap
<characters aren't all loathsome, mariner not just lolsorandumb<shows some character development<not stupid edgy r&m knockoff like velma<good uniforms<not completely meta poisonedI'd give it a D+ but it wouldn't be Star Trek if it had a great first season right out of the gate.
>>38427>characters aren't all loathsome, mariner not just lolsorandumb Most of them are, the most relatable, interesting characters are side-characters like the Doctor. Mariner was obnoxious at best and fucking harmful at worst, only coming out on top of things because of plot contrivances. Realistically she should have gotten severe consequences for things ranging from inebriated misconduct onboard a ship while on duty, grievous injury of a fellow crew-mate while fooling around (on duty), dereliction of duty, etc. She's only still in Starfleet because of nepotism… which goes against the meaning of Star Trek
>not stupid edgy r&m knockoff like velmaIt's literally just Rick and Morty humor stuffed into a Trek setting, Mariner is just a black female Rick,
>good uniforms Star Trek Uniforms are simplistic as is, kinda hard to fuck up a design that you lifted from the live-action shows.
>not completely meta poisoned It may as well be, since the metashit just taints the entire rest of the show, because you can't help but remember this shit in any actual in-story elements.
>>39008>creator is a zionist Just because you replaced "Jew" with "zionist" doesn't make this /pol/shit any more relevant to the show, unless you can demonstrate how Zionism is reflected in the show
>Japan can't into guns and needs a white guy to figure that out for them That's not dialectical material progression works, moron. Also guns were invented by the Chinese, along with gunpowder. China stagnated under later rulers and the Opium Wars destroyed its power, see
>>>/edu/8045 CTRL+F "Opium"
The European powers developed guns even further surpassing the Chinese and the Islamic countries of the Middle East that had also developed fire-arms from trade with China.
Japan was isolationist and insular, even more so with the end of the Sengoku era chaos, as the Edo Shogunate sought to stabilize the nation. This involved strict traditionalism and resistance to change and outside influence, which would only change with the Meiji Restoration in the 19th century which was when Japan opened up to the world and rapidly caught up on the innovations of the world. Guns were not developed because it was foreign and untraditional, as well as hard to use, so they remained primitive. See
>>>/edu/1855 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edo_society?useskin=vector So this isn't about "muh stupid Japs" but a reflection of the material conditions and actual historical reality of the country not having advanced fire-arms and did not acquire or develop them for some time for various socio-economic reasons.
As for "muh wt pypo!", you're an ignoramus on multiple accounts. People of Mixed-race/ethnicity historically have been subject to xenophobic discrimination; for a half-white girl in Japan, the part that is going to be discriminated against is the whiteness.
Furthermore stop white-washing the Japanese, they were no less brutal than Europeans, as their post Meiji restoration imperialism shows, simply at the time they did not have the opportunity to actually do anything against anyone but themselves.
Finally the main villains of the story are white; the main character is literally targeting 4 white merchants to assassinate them, among whom is her father. They are neither depicted as good nor 'better' or anything but asshole bourgs no different than their Japanese counterparts.
Your racial obsession reveals you as an idpozzed rad-lib. Read a book or go back.
PS: I'm don't even like the show that much, its interesting but I've seen better. However I'm won't accuse it of being something it is not. Even Hideo Kojima liked it, and the Japanese can be quite picky about how it is depicted in foreign media, they certainly weren't very enthusiastic about the Fire Nation in ATLA.
https://www.gamesradar.com/blue-eye-samurai-netflix-best-anime-of-2023-hideo-kojima/ >>39011>The protagonist isn't celebrated for her "whiteness".She is portrayed as the cool anti-hero who is better than everyone else, and she is actively mythologized as a supernatural "onryo" not just by the framing but by actual characters in-universe.
>>39013It's not about the authority figures, but the way the white characters are framed as special. They have to actively revise history and reduce Japan's level of military technology to accomplish this.
>>39018>Just because you replaced "Jew" with "zionist" doesn't make this /pol/shit any more relevant to the show, unless you can demonstrate how Zionism is reflected in the showYou can easily check by googling it (picrel).
And it's relevant because he wrote the show, which is largely about racism and colonialism. Zionism is an example of weaponizing white victimhood since Israel is a nation for "Jews" but really only European Jews like the Ashkenazi. Zionism is rife with white supremacy/nationalism because the ideologies are historically related.
>That's not dialectical material progression works, moron. Also guns were invented by the Chinese, along with gunpowder.Japan had already integrated firearms into their militaries. Guns were not as historically significant in the Edo period since Japan wasn't at war with itself, but they were very significant in the Sengoku period, and at one point Japan's gun production eclipsed Europe's. Militarily adopting firearms played a major role in unifying Japan and the onset of the Edo period.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_of_Japan#HistoryThe idea that a white guy importing guns to Japan could overtake Japan's forces is a stretch at best and it reeks of "Guns, Germs and Steel" style pop history plus orientalism. Yes, Japan moved away from guns as a primary weapon during the relatively peaceful Edo period where guns were less useful. No, that doesn't mean Japan would be unfamiliar with military use of firearms and be overrun due to not having them or knowing how to adjust strategy/tactics to deal with guns.
>The European powers developed guns even further surpassing the Chinese and the Islamic countries of the Middle East that had also developed fire-arms from trade with China. Continued development of firearms by Europe due to fighting more wars than Japan is a real factor, but having somewhat more advanced firearms (flintlock vs matchlock) is not even close to the same thing as guns vs no guns.
>for a half-white girl in Japan, the part that is going to be discriminated against is the whiteness.This is a show for westerners and made in the west. They picked a historical context where you can find a basis for anti-white discrimination because that appeals to them for one reason or another. You can't really argue that this is merely incidental when most of the media set in the Edo period doesn't deal with it because it's a marginal issue, whereas this show literally puts it in the title.
>Furthermore stop white-washing the Japanese, they were no less brutal than EuropeansNever said anything to this effect. One of the more odious elements of the western fascination with Japan in media like this is the way it ignores Japan's imperialism and xenophobia. The show is not wrong to portray Edo Japan as a dystopia. It's bad for other reasons. Primarily in the way that the white or partially white characters are important and special in the narrative (to the point of individually having historical impact). There's more dimension to this kind of portrayal than whether characters are "good" or "bad."
>Your racial obsession The plot of the show is literally "I am going to kill every white man left in Japan (3 people), no matter how many Japanese people I have to kill to do it (hundreds)."
>>39019 >Look at this ECeleb calling other people zionists because they say hostages should be returned and that bigots use justification for anti-judaic sentiment How is this not true? The hostages are largely civilians and people are, in fact, using this conflict as a reason to hate on Jews, look at /pol/ celebrating this. Zionism is fascism, no shit, but zionism =/= all jews. I do not like Michael Greene, he's a lib-dem burger, but these are not Zionist statements and are irrelevant to the show's story and content.
>Zionism is an example of weaponizing white victimhood <Ashkenazi! Thanks for revealing your ignorance. You don't even know who the Azhkenazi are, or their relation to Jews and Europe, nor the how Zionism arose and why it involves Europe so much. Stop learning about Jews from /pol/
>at one point Japan's gun production eclipsed Europe's <proceeds to not name said time period or the context>Japan had already integrated firearms into their militaries<Muh Sengoku!<WikilinkYou barely even read your own link, did you? Half your post is nearly verbatim the wiki-content. The first Japanese fire-arms were based on primitive Chinese hand-cannons and were extremely limited and rare. Later weapons used during the Sengoku era were introduced by the Portuguese and Chinese - primitive matchlock weaponry, during the late 15th-early 16th centuries. European guns of the time were more advanced than Japan's and by the 1600s (the beginning of the Edo period) far outmatched Japan in that area. While Japan barely had matchlocks comparable to the weapons of early conquistadors, that loaded slowly and were extremely rare relative to most of the armed forces, Europe was fielding ships of the line with cannons, muskets, pistols and more, and advancing rapidly in number and power. Gun-masters only became a thing later in the Sengoku period and specialized battalions were formed because it was a rare weapon. Compare this to Europe which was by this point, primarily fighting with guns. These were very limited weapons and extremely expensive, something only the nobility or special forces would use/have. Peasantry and farmers most certainly did not have them, nor could they be allowed to have them, given the laws about armament of lower classes.
>The idea that a white guy importing guns to Japan could overtake Japan's forces is a stretch at best It really isn't considering how Commodore Perry's mission(s) ended Sakoku and how similar things were done in parts of China. The fear of such foreign invasion and overthrowal was a prime motive for the formation of Sakoku Edict.
>This is a show for westerners and made in the west Not an argument
>They picked a historical context where you can find a basis for anti-white discrimination because that appeals to them for one reason or another.You're a retard who has clearly neither watched the show, nor read its background. The creators are a mixed race couple whose Asian-American daughter was born with blue eyes, something that in many Eastern cultures is considered demonic. They thought about how a mixed race child would be treated in Edo Japan and wrote the story based on that.
https://thenerdsofcolor.org/2023/10/31/creators-amber-noizumi-and-michael-green-on-authenticity-in-blue-eye-samurai/ >One of the more odious elements of the western fascination with Japan in media like this is the way it ignores Japan's imperialism and xenophobiaYes and this show does not do this so far.
>in the way that the white or partially white characters are important and special in the narrative <Oh no the main character is mixed with whites so that means that their relevance to the plot is bad! Radlib rubbish.
>to the point of individually having historical impact Like many other fictional character-driven stories such as Rurouni Kenshin?
>There's more dimension to this kind of portrayal than whether characters are "good" or "bad." Correct, and most characters are not pure evil or pure good, including the primary antagonist.
https://blue-eye-samurai.fandom.com/wiki/Abijah_Fowler>The plot of the show is literally "I am going to kill every white man left in Japan <o matter how many Japanese people I have to kill to do it (hundreds) Wow, revenge is blind and has consequences, who knew!? Also you're being disingenuous about the nuances. The protagonist does not go out of their way to kill Japanese people, nor is her hatred for whites because of just race, her entire life was made miserable by the very fact that she was seen as lesser for being mixed race, and as far as she knows it is this fact that led to her mothers demise and her own shitty life, not to mention that she thinks her mother was raped by her father. She doesn't know WHO her father is, only that he is one of the remaining 4 whites in Japan, thus she hunts each of them. Is that flawed? Yes, because the character is human, and not a Mary Sue.
>but the way the white characters are framed as special. They have to actively revise history and reduce Japan's level of military technology to accomplish this.NTA but that's just blatantly fucking untrue from both a historical and writing perspective. The White characters aren't "special" they're outsiders, which makes them an anomaly in an otherwise closed off culture. As for technology, it is not revisionist when it is true. technological development in Japan lagged for some time, in part because it lacked resources, it's why katanas had such a complicated process of creation, because iron ore was low quality and hard to acquire, its the same reason Samurai had complex non-metal armor.
Again I'm not saying this show is even close to perfect, it most certainly is not. However I think your 'criticisms' are exaggerated and ignore more important or blatant problems with the story such as some side plots being unnecessary, characters not making sense (man with no hands) and some of the fights being full of the protagonist getting stabbed yet still powering through it like nothing.
>>39020>zionism =/= all jewsWhat percentage are zionist?
>You don't even know who the Azhkenazi are, or their relation to Jews and Europe, nor the how Zionism arose and why it involves Europe so much.It's not complicated. Azhkenazi are conducting a genocide in front of the whole world at this very moment.
>>39020>How is this not true? The hostages are largely civilians Oh lol you're unironically buying the narrative then. If anything Hamas is protecting the hostages, at the rate the IDF is killing them.
>>39023If your cartoon or TV show or any other media makes a point of being political, it's more than fair to criticize its politics. It's fair regardless, and a lot of media has awful politics, but if you make the issue of racism the center of your story, then how you handle racism is a key part of whether the product is any good.
>>39024>you're unironically buying the narrativeNo, retard, I'm just capable of seeing other people's perspective, incorrect or flawed as they may be. Hostages were taken, the details of that vary, but to say that their conditions are likely to be good is to lie. Calling something what it is, does not mean I am defending Gaza's bombings or anything of the sort, nor does that mean that the show writers are doing so. As I said, they're libs and I don't like them or many of their works, but that is not relevant to the story. Rudyard Kipling was a British Imperialist through and through, his stories and poems are still excellent, regardless of his political views.
>If your cartoon or TV show or any other media makes a point of being political, it's more than fair to criticize its politicsNTA but that's not the point, the point is that your criticisms are ass-pulls.
>but if you make the issue of racism the center of your story, then how you handle racism is a key part of whether the product is any good And? The white man we see is clearly racist, just as the Japanese are racist to him, but because they're both people of power and corruption, his racism is instead for lower class Japanese. The Same treatment is given to Mizu, a blue-eyed half-breed who is clearly not a noble and so a target of racism from the Japanese. Mizu causing the deaths of other Japanese people in her quest for revenge is multi-faceted and we even see this explained both in subtext and directly.
Revenge is blind to consequences by hatred, thus she kills people that get in her way, even if these actions bring slaughter onto her head and onto those that crossed her path. This is literally pointed out to her by the main villain of S1. And what love to Japan or its people should she feel when she is rejected by them, merely for having blue eyes?
The child who is not embraced by the village will burn it down to feel its warmth is a proverb for a reason.
So like I said, the series has flaws, but bad race politics? No.
You mentioned
>and the whiteness of the protagonist is treated like it's a supernatural power, and the characters in-universe directly attribute the skills to her being half-whiteIt is treated as supernatural because she is seen as demonic, in a time ruled by superstition and the sword, when oni were genuinely believed in, and a crazed slasher like her with eyes associated with the demonic, most certainly would be treated as supernatural by some. As to her "natural white skills" most of the time that is in relation to her destructiveness, such as when Fowler throws the sight of burning Edo in her face as her 'white blood' showing through.
Neither the Japanese, nor Europeans are good people, they are individuals, part of the society they are in, and act on their own rational self-interests, emotions, and needs. One person may be a scumbag through and through while the other a good person, and their race, sex and social positioning is irrelevant, those aspects only impact the limitations a person may have within society, thus men have more independence and power to act than women, which is accurate for a feudal society.
So regardless of my personal criticisms of the series, I would say that much of its socio-economic commentary is quite on point, and what mistakes or issues there may be are not significant enough to warrant whining about.
>>39023 Because people can't like anything anymore, it has to be "relatable" to their specific political identity, because rather than having AN identity, their identity is fractured between sexuality, politics and biases influenced by this, and everything else human is secondary.
>>39034Not a fan of the juvenile humor, but other wise pretty gud.
Also is it me or are we seeing a backlash at this whole series and the team behind it? People spreading rumors and kind of overblowing the flaws of the series.
>>22175Yeah, why is this not in /anime/? Cartoons are graphical arts after all.
That aside, I think Man of Action is severely underrated as a studio. Their only widely discussed cartoon is Sonic Prime, and that's only because of the Sonic fandom. Who still remembers Generator Rex, huh? HUH?
I think Ben 10 had a unique fate of being extremely popular with kids but extremely niche within the animation fandom, not because it was obnoxious like TTGO but because nobody seemed to care. And I'm not sure Gen Rex gained nearly as much popularity within its target demographic as Ben 10 did.
>>39048i know one of the animators, this is what they had to say
>it's not a nightmare, they're actually simpler to draw than people think. people who throw that around aren't animators¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>39034Materialist analysis of Hazbin Hotel when?
>>39037>Also is it me or are we seeing a backlash at this whole series and the team behind it? People spreading rumors and kind of overblowing the flaws of the series.Part of the backlash has to do with how terrible the creator is to her staff.
>>39064And gay demons.
That does make me wonder though, who is going to come out on top once all these bullshit streaming services start to cave in on themselves. Are we going to see Disney buying up entire libraries like they did with Fox?
Still eagerly awaiting King of the Hill in Kingdom Hearts Mister Iger <3 >>39090Anon, I helped CREATE the board's original threads and it is the equivalent of /a/
It is LITERALLY in the name /ANIME/ as in the term for japanese animation and related japanese content. Do not be obtuse.
>>35177>I think the problem with current animation is that a lot of it is very round and circle90s' thick-line animation is not "cool" anymore so most studios moved away from it except for Titmouse.
>animeificationIf only
>Studio MirNobody here mentiones Flying Bark Studios who created Rise of TMNT, Glitch Techs and Monkey King. They actually try mimicking
Studio Trigger anime unlike Mir's comic-book-inspired art style.
>>39108 (me)
Even the way Mir animate action scenes is more movie-like compared to anime's sakuga one-shots, extremely close and dynamic coomera angles and speed lines.
>>39200you think he'll score
in heaven?
>>39203you don't tell me what to do
thoughts on Charlie's hooves?
>>39758 (me)
Conclusion: a weapons' engineer who's close to the CEO having a crush on you is based.
>>39759 (me)
I'm going to Israel to seduce all the female military engineers so they sabotage the war effort, this is the only way to stop the conflict.
>>39845i watched some, but i couldn’t keep going once the russian ai/robot appeared, something about her voice just made me not want to watch.
Also the guy who came up with designs 100% has something for sharp teeth because why the fuck does every single one of his works have a “creepy” female character with rows of sharp teeth.
>>39897Do you hate Russian stereotypes perhaps?
I've heard that some Russian fans were not a fan of Doll's thick accent and being voiced by an American instead of a native Russian.
>>40705>likes the pilot style betterIt's very common for pilots or first seasons to have better animation. Then, you get cases like Regular Show's season 2 episode 'First Day' (turning the pilot into a canon episode) where you can just tell which clips are ripped from the pilot and which are new.
There are also other cases like Gumball S1 where they didn't get all the episodes out (36 instead of 40) and S2 is very clearly degraded in comparison.
Since a pilot is a single episode not made with the same industrial constraints in mind, they're typically much more stylized, even in cases where the animation is more limited.
Digging into the history of shows sometimes just shows how far they fall from what they could have been, and how they changed to fit pop culture, like an original idea turning into a Simpsons family sitcom.
https://polyminthe.blogspot.com/2012/06/amazing-world-of-gumball-development.html>>40702I know it was made after the pitch, but:
>not posting the plank character model sheet >>41791>The sloppy (sweet) kiss LMAO
Farewell Cowboy indeed!
>>41792 Yeah there's A LOT of references to other things in the episode.
>>41813>This indie cartoon only has 2 episodes out and there's already a pop-up store in Japan.It's popular even with 2 episodes, so it makes sense.
>>41812 I think both episodes are equally good, but very different from one another, which makes them interesting.
>>41823Actually I think they're doing it ironically. Or self-aware-ly, at least.
>>41876>Luckily Gooseworx is going to make him even more unhingedBased. I don't want another soft-inside I-can-fix-him bad boy. I want Rated R Bugs Bunny.
>>41876>N-noooo you can't Jax actualy be a toxic asshole!LMAO. Like
>>41877 says, unhinged old-school Looney Tunes Bugs Bunny.
>>41791this is like the only ship ive truly cared about in a really long time
>>41924jelly
>>41974In the case of TADC the author said at least the first 5 episodes have already been written and that she's going to stick to her initial plan for the whole show.
>>41978Before the 2010s you had pop philosophy books like "The Philosophy of The Simpsons" littering libraries.
>>42136>>42128Pic rel is an inconsistency about Chameleon's motivations, but it can be reasonably explained: her argument of being rejected for being "too small" falls on its face the second you remember mantis is like 5 inches tall.
Granted it can be argued that this is a different region and we have seen masters reject teaching someone kung fu just because of the way they look like, for instance, Crane had to literally prove himself to everyone who doubted him because of his skinny legs. And Viper technically speaking was seen by her father as someone that he must protect because of her lack of fangs and venom. Plus, it wasn't just her being small as her reason, she also said that some masters said that she was lowly and others also said that it just wasn't her destiny to learn Kung Fu.
>>42138>>42128leaving this video here
even tho panda 4 (from reviews) seems to be mediocre film that i also didn't watch, i still find this vid about the interview on it's development interesting
>>42570Oops, sorry for deleting the post, wanted to add a picture.
>moeGirls' cartoons maybe? I dunno. Slice-of-life anime in general has no proper Western counterpart except… 6teen? Maybe 6teen.
The issue is most cartoons are targetted at kids and most adult cartoons have an edgy/disturbing artstyle. Westerners in general seem to be averse to cuteness… except maybe French? Finnish? I dunno.
>MLPNonononono, doesn't count unless it's Equestria Girls.
>>42593>most ——- is absolute garbage that just panders to their audience of retards and weirdos,>Those individuals are just looking for an excuse to put their consumer behaviours above those of other consumers in an attempt to validate their consumerism and to feel special,one edit and it becomes impossible to distinguish if you are talking about anime or cartoon.
but both of these industries are out to make money, so they gonna make garbage to mass sell.
>>42128>>42137>>42138 Side note about DreamWorks itself: DreamWorks was created by Jeffrey Katzenberg after he felt he deserved the president position at Disney. He left and started his own studio out of spite. Therefore, DreamWorks' early years were split between two visions, Katzenberg's vision to imitate Disney and surpass it, and another vision by the various independent filmmakers he hired to basically mock it. DreamWorks invested a lot of money in elaborate "epic movies" on par with Disney (such as The Prince of Egypt, The Road to El Dorado', Spirit, and Sinbad). Despite the first two being received well, their profits were mediocre, and the financial loss of the last two basically killed the vision for DreamWorks, as well as contributed to the decline of 2D animation in general. Meanwhile, the subversive approach, which based its identity on poking fun at established Disney tropes and way more tongue in cheek jokes, was well-received and made a lot of money. Even crap like Shark Tale made a lot of money, and it created the profit-base that would allow for more nuanced stories to be made and make money, such as How To Train Your Dragon and Kung Fu Panda.
Scavenger's Reign was great. It's exactly the sort of exploration of a harsh and dangerous alien world which I love, and which is severely underrepresented in visual mediums. Books like this are really common in the sci-fi genre but when it comes to TV or film that fit this kind of genre, all I can really think of is Made in Abyss and this. I think it is something that can only really be done in comics and cartoons, since with live action you'd have to rely so much on CGI and you wouldn't be able to do it stylistically so it'd end up a mess. Live action alien exploration stories always downplay the aliens.
>>37787I liked it a lot. Overall its a really good film. I didn't really like the character designs but the rest of the art was great, especially for a Western Animated film of which I am not really into the cinematographic tropes of. A lot of thought was put into the detail. Action scenes were kinnetic and exciting, even though as I said I don't really like the tropes of Western fight scenes. It kind of had a wierd ending which didn't sit well with me though, its kind of like a reverse GitS. But, I don't understand why in all robot films where their minds are directly copied from humans, they are still discriminated. Surely if you are going to have a robot backup activated once you die you'd want them to have the same rights you did. Every single person would have the motivation to give robots equal rights because they are all going to die and become robots anyway one day. I will say the story is not exactly the most original ever, but its good enough.
I legitimately hate Invincible. It's such rubbish. There's no consistent world building, and no themes other than exciting alien superhero vs CIA and good guys!!! I hate superheroes. I also hate smiling friends and South Park so much. How can anyone enjoy that rubbish. I feel sick just trying to watch either of them.
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