First thread >>2278
I just watched the new Batman movie, it's about as boring and derived as you'd expect. The villain is a real psycho, apparently he hates Bruce Wayne's father because of his scam charity orphanage where children froze to death and the villain himself grew up in, and tries to publicly reveal his father's ties to organized crime and political corruption. Luckily Batman eventually teaches him the true meaning of love and forgiveness before the villain is thrown into an insane asylum for the rest of his days, and the credits roll.
I also watched Memoria, which was just as boring and I have nothing to say about.
>>24872looks really really bad
focus all over the place, wonky aspect ratio… it’s just a bad compromise
>>25079Yeah lol only on leftypol can you see people accusing a soviet movie whose director lived trough the siege of Stalingrad as a kid of being lib.
Anyways just saw Everything Everywhere All At Once and it's a real masterpiece. Perfect blend between humor and tragedy, characters feel real, movie is wacky but authentic at the same time. Loved Raccacoonie and the dialogue between rocks. Best movie about a struggling family trying to pay their taxes in the multiverse.
>>25076I watched it (only because friends did) and that part is a groaner. "Let's tell a clearly powerful person what our superweapon is!"
Look, shallow fun, I don't regret going but I wouldn't regret missing it either.
>>25083>only on leftypol can you see people accusing a soviet movie whose director lived trough the siege of Stalingrad as a kid of being libI've seen redditors and /pol/ (i.e. the same people) claim that too, or even claiming the nazis in the movie had been right, so not the stupidest take at least.
>>25087Yeah, it's like the reverse of the "monologueing villain" trope.
>>25121>experiencing the siege of stalingrad when you were a kid makes you a hecking epic marxist-leninist Imagine being such a fucking hack that you can't make a rebuttal that doesn't use pure strawmen. The point isn't that "hurr he's uber-communist cuz he survived Stalingrad" it's that he lived through hell and high water and its experiences shaped him as a man. People aren't divided into "le based commies" and "le stoopid libs" you terminally-online dichotomist.
>regularly battled with soviet authorities throughout his career And? Soviet bureaucracy hardly was perfect and anyone that lived then can attest to that, even hardline communists.
>as a fan of perestroikaCitation? Also even assuming this, you have no comprehension of the Perestroika and the support of it. People thought it'd be a return to Lenin's ideals and supported it because Soviet Bureaucracy had become too heavy and essentially took power from the people, and they sought change. This isn't an excuse for Gorbachev and Yeltsin's betrayals, but it is an explanation as to the support of it. Hindsight is 20:20
>that's just the context of the director anywaysYes, it has NO bearing on the film at all. A literal Belorus Partisan had been the inspiration and advisor of the film and so it had been made close to reality, nothing lib about it.
>>25122>In 1986, fresh from the success of Come and See, and with the changes brought by perestroika in the air, Klimov was chosen by his colleagues to be the First Secretary of the Filmmakers' Union following the V Congress of the Soviet Filmmakers. During the congress all previous heads of the Filmmakers' Union — including Lev Kulidzhanov, Sergei Bondarchuk, Stanislav Rostotsky and others — were overthrown in favor of "liberal" activists. According to some critics and filmmakers, the congress was conducted by Alexander Yakovlev, one of the grey cardinals of Perestroika who was unofficially presented there, consulting the activists from time to time.>Klimov's leadership saw the belated release of many of the previously banned films and the reinstatement of several directors who had fallen out of political favor. This period is widely considered as the start of decline of Soviet cinema and the rise of the so-called "chernukha", namely artists and journalists, who, freed by glasnost, exposed Soviet reality in the most pessimistic possible light.keep coping
like I said, it's still an impressive movie, but it is aggressively apolitical about the Eastern Front and is largely indifferent to the Soviet opposition. it opts instead for long mystical almost religious sequences and atrocity porn that seek to instill a general feeling of vague pie-in-the-sky humanism, it's very much influenced by Tarkovsky's similar stuff, and there's a good chance it was more of a commentary on the Soviet-Afghan War using the more politically correct "Great Patriotic War"
>>25125>Greentext>no sourcepost the source, and it better not be vikipedia
<copingOver what, you demented ideologue? I don't care about his political ideology because it has no real impact on the film. The creator the 28 Panfilovits film is a Russian Nationalist, yet his politics have ZERO influence on the film because it is divorced from his personal politics and in films that do have the creators insert their political ideologies it is blatantly obvious. The main and only influence from Klimov isn't his bureaucratic life but his personal experience of the terror and hurt that war carries, that is all that matters.
>it is aggressively apoliticalHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
1) That's a goddamn contradiction, it not going into politics is just apolitical, it doesn't attack political messages at all, it just doesn't go into them.
2) The only aggressive part of the film is the brutality of the Nazis and their Nazi ideology
>largely indifferent to the Soviet opposition It's not a film depicting the heroic struggle but the horrors of the war for people from the perspective of the veterans. They do not feel glory trying to fight nazis, they are just fighting, surviving and struggling Не на жизень а насмерть. Films glorifying Soviet troops in the war are for the people that did not fight or had not seen it to recognize and commemorate the heroic struggle, but this film is about the perspective of the actual war - glory has no place in this, because that is not the point of the film
>long mystical almost religious sequences and atrocity porn<Artform symbolism contrasted to harsh realistic depiction of the realities is 'religious' and 'atrocity porn' Блять англо-саксонская мышленость это просто полный Ахтунг
>seek to instill a general feeling of vague pie-in-the-sky humanism No, no it doesn't you fucking clod. It is a film, a visual medium of depiction, it's not supposed to be a philosophical essay deconstructing an ideology, it is a presentation of concepts and emotions through a story. There term "Drama" is a poor translation of the term "Художествтвиный Фильм" the term used for such a film in Soviet and Russian film circles. The humanism is not defined in exact terms because that's not needed, you understand it all just by seeing it, as if you are experiencing its horror and grimness from the side, and see the main character - a child for all real intents and purposes struggle to hold on to sanity and humanity in a dehumanizing meatgrinder, and despite it all he and his allies do no stoop to the level of his torturers in their struggle.
>a good chance it was more of a commentary on the Soviet-Afghan War You have no evidence to that and given that in that VERY SAME Perestroika there existed SEVERAL films directly depicting the harsh realities of that conflict - most notably Афганский излом and the director did not even mention Afghanistan as even a remote reason for his film, you´re just finding inane and irrelevant reasons or speculations to put down the film.
>>25083>Yeah lol only on leftypol can you see people accusing a soviet movie whose director lived trough the siege of Stalingrad as a kid of being lib.Now that you mention it, "listen to my lived experience" is lib rhetoric, remember that progressive stack praxis they did at Occupy Wall Street?
>Anyways just saw Everything Everywhere All At Once and it's a real masterpiecenew cult classic indie movie just dropped, movies are back baby!
>>25277Watch Everything Everywhere All at Once instead. The multiverse concept was really under utilized.
>>25278Its a marvel movie bro.
jesus camp
very nice deconstructive documentary from 2006
i didn’t like the bits where they had some talk show radio host ranting about how they’re not true christians, i think he’s just uncomfortable over how they bare the true ugliness at the core
dvd rip with english subs:
https://anonfiles.com/b6Cdx2j9yb/Jesus_Camp_2006_zip>>25308np
also just checked what they’re like now and they seem to just have become your standard petty bourgeois normie and even stayed in christianity somewhat, except for the bowl cut kid who took the hippy path
pretty uncanny
https://thecinemaholic.com/where-are-the-jesus-camp-children-now/ I watched "Old" (2021). It was pretty mediocre. Not abysmal, but just not good - M. Night Shyamalan might be one of the few directors who gets worse over time. Unlike his other movies, there was no typical twist, that revelation in the end can barely called anything like that, because you can see it from a mile coming.
The concept of aging rapidly isn't new per se, and not bad per se, but he didn't really know what to do with it. The only classical trope was lady obsessed with her own beauty going mad over aging, and then died in a horrific twisted way - that was the only really creepy scene. Other than that, the movie was surprisingly PG-13, they wouldn't even show a skeleton. Also, the main characters that escape will not be okay, imagine you are a 6 year old in the body of a 50 year old - you'd be diagnosed as clinically infantile and get a warden. The dialog was rather awkward and the ending felt weirdly anticlimatic - so they are doing those super secret experiments, but don't even have security?
If you have nothing else to watch you can give it a try. It's not bad but is just really kinda there, it doesn't really do anything with its premise.
>>25294Saw that with my gf in fact, better movie admittedly, very funny and surprisingly heartfelt
Saw Dr. Strange with my best friend while blazed
> Its a marvel movie bro.No, that’s specifically Elizabeth Olsen who is a stacy
>>25438>>25438>>25440so why is he deconstructing them?
is he not happy with the place the people have expected of him
>>25450> Some sixty or more wealthy, full-blood Osage Native Americans were reported killed from 1918 to 1931Why and how
Do you know more
>>25547I haven't watched those movies but it's really cool that weird euro guy plays Grindlewald
>>25556yes, i don't want to spoil myself
was it class issue? did the poorer native americans kill them or was it corporations
Just watched Fresh (2022) torrented, fuck Hulu and it was great. One of the best films I've seen in recent years. Big recommend, especially to this audience.
Themes: social alienation, nuclear family v little-to-no family, dating app anti-sociality, commodification v friendship/solidarity, sociopathy, the lumpen petite-bourgeoisie, the black market, cannibalism, proletarian feminism
>>26062not on rarbg yet so can't say
sounds really cool though
>>26183>Christian herelmao
>>26180nah see i thought that was the point, christian missionaries get off to martyrdom fantasies, more than they want to actually "do good" by the people they meet.
Course for scorcese personally, i got the feeling he was trying to talk about what it's like to be a christoid in Hollywood, but w/e
>>26398it's directed by the guy that did Jaws and Indiana Jones, so it's not exactly gonna be deep
i liked the black-and-white cinematography though
>>26513The ending twist was amazing. But the alien would probably ended up in a hotpot landed in Asia speaking from experience.
>>26514The worst of that trope has to be Alien Covenant. It's a fucking borderline slapstick comedy.
>>26618Also on Vice:
The movie starts off by saying it's an attempt to explain Cheney's life. Over half the runtime is dedicated to his term as vice president and it's basically a checklist of news stories and controversies that everyone would have heard of back then. For the time before that, it's just vague and dramatized to shit. Also it kind of falls flat critiquing the Dubya presidency when you yourself are an absolute preening neolib.
>>26998Thor : Love & Thunder was the superior viking kino of the year
They even showed Valhalla in the end
>>27023This ain't your daddy's space viking
It's a Bifrost that can help inter-dimensional travel
Is a villain like Gorr part of Viking mythos?
Also he gets the "mew mew" back in this movie with a special upgrade >>27029it sells
MCU is the 21st century nickelodeon
>>27030It's some dogshit Williamson made up along with jane-Thor
>>26989It was fun
Re-watched both of these again, and the "its Rambo for Russians" rings true. The main character is a war vet that fought in the first Chechen War, in which the dialogue subtly glorifies it. Throughout the first movie, all the criminals besides the protag and his brother, are Chechens. More so the sequel's villains are all Ukrainians. The same protag in the sequel now is extravagantly wealthy and a celebrity just for speaking about his experience in the military. There's a scene early on where a literal fucking neo-nazi gun merchant is portrayed as a "le wacky but wholesome" individual. It toots its own horn by showing that Russians aren't as racist and morally corrupt as Americans are. Even more ironic since one of the Russian channels showing re-runs of this film decided to add video of the BLM protests post credits.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tiT4pmCEApYI admit the cinematography for both films is decent, and I can see why non-Russian cinephiles(esp. non Slavs) that like crime dramas can easily fall for Russian Nationalist propaganda.
>>27086lmao
vatniks b like
>>27115 (me)
Also recently in Belgorod, a McDonalds was removed because of sanctions and they played Goodbye America as they removed it. The 2nd movie resonates with how a lot of Russians view the current war in Ukraine
I just finished the 8 episode netflix series Resident Evil.
What a load of horseshit. Why do all new series have this same feeling of being mostly drama filled with nice effects. I love the original Mila Yakonovich Resident Evil movie saga. It's campy, showy, ridiculous. This show hit none of that. They didn't even get the "shadowy profiteers" right. The CEO was such a bland and goofy character, completely dispensable series.
Extremely badly written, very slow, nothing made sense. I know it sounds bad when I say it like this but I have a feeling that the creators were targeting a female audience, and the way they did it is so bland. The reason I say this is because female characters get the most screentime, there's a boycrush, there's a woman CEO who's also lesbian, the main character's husband takes care of the kid, he's a gentle pushover useless himbo, the main character has a female child that's a genius. It's as if this was written by a tumblr fanfic writer and that's even an insult to them. The writer wrote Supernatural.
It's like all series they're putting out they put them through this california liberal filter which is so fucking annoying and bland. Same with Star Trek Discovery. Bruh, if I wanted to see drama, I would've chosen drama.
The reviews are terrible too.
“Nobody in the world, nobody in history, has ever gotten their freedom by appealing to the moral sense of the people who were oppressing them.” Assata Shakur
Solidly done cinéma vérité piece from 1971 capturing the idealistic, lofty, self-righteous New Left of the 60s crashing onto the shores of the hard, bitter, guerrilla 70s before they were eventually crushed under the weight of neoconservatism. Did a good job of showing how the hippies failed to appeal to the conscience of the tribunal which already had its own conscience made up, being composed mostly of non-judges and people like a trade union steward, a conservative housewife, a bourgeois sociologist, etc. representing the New Right which sought to set up an intellectual wall to the ideas of the New Left. The black revolutionaries' Malcolm X/Fred Hampton-esque charismatic, enunciated Black Power tirades fall flat against actual violent backlash from the state. The news crew's indignation and threats of publicity of what happened are also ignored by the soldiers and policemen who know they'll be protected.
>>27751control was dumb boring schlock imo, just another corny biopic
probably doesn’t help that i don’t see what’s so special about joy division or ian curtis
>>27964>control was dumb boring schlock imo, just another corny biopicI think it told its story pretty decently. But as a movie overall? It was ok, and just that.
>probably doesn’t help that i don’t see what’s so special about joy division or ian curtisThere's nothing really special about them, but i just like the band and wanted to know more about them, and Ian, so that's what got me interested in the movie.
>>28097[still watching]
Ok I realize
The Boondocks already made a
Do The Right Thing reference with
The Block is Hot that's actually what inspired me to watch it but I didn't realize just how much they were connected.
The Grey Man was surprisingly entertaining
>>28102The new scream movie wasn't complete dogshit. That said, the scariest part was Courtney Cox's plastic surgery
>>28103(minor spoiler video)
The teleplay is better than the film.
>>28218which scene, i don't remember
>>28150it's so over
>>28141that was such a fucked up movie
>>28230If you mean the:
>idealistic as hellbit, then it is because the movie has brilliant takes such as:
>a part of the bourgeoisie is good and cares about the poor, actually, to the point they would go against their class interest and almost bankrupt themselves>fucking propaganda by the deed (and its supposed immutability)>trying to change the system by taking individual level actions, not structural onesBut if you mean the:
>reactionaries getting btfopart, then i'm referring to anything related to the league of shadows, given their plan was just endless reaction.
>>28241> I honestly can't tell if it makes any senseNo the movie makes no sense , gravity and light would also move backwards. In backwards time mode you couldn't see shit because all the photons would be flying back into lamps and into the sun. And you'd be pinned against the sealing the moment the time reversal point activates, and if you left the time reversal room, you'd be flung into space, unless you put on non-time reversed ankle weights with greater mass then your body-weight. The people moving backwards in time would also appear as dark silhouettes to time-forward people. Time reversed people would have overheating problems, because when heat flows backwards any environment that is colder than your body temperature would cause heat to flow into your body. They would need to carry a non-time reversed heat-source to cool them self off.
There are other questions like what happens to chemical reactions that contain both forward and backward moving elements.
Information is also bound to entropy and hence the forward motion of time, i honestly don't know where to begin figuring out what happens with interactions that involved reversed flow information. If you are time-reversed and you'd try to re-read a non-time reverse book, you might unread it and forget what happens in the story.
We also have since found out that physics isn't entirely time symmetrical, so this can't work, but that is a minor gripe at this point.
The movie is still a fun thought experiment, just don't think too much about the details.
>>28251I would accuse the one saying that of being a fucking liberal.
It has the defect of saying not saying Soviet Union or by being too soft on gommunism (for a liberal), maybe it gets accused of it for that.
>>28260Patriotism can be many things.
Liberal
>>28271i didn’t think it was horror at all
just an action flick with comedic and gory bits in it, just like every “horror” movie released in the past few decades
>>27245Old news by this point I know, But I've got through 3 episodes so far and I've just given up. The decision to essentially tell 2 stories at once just makes the pacing of both stories feel interminably slow. The character development of young Jade and Billie (nice Billie Eilish reference there guys, very subtle) somehow manages to be both boring and rushed, and they both come across as absolute twats. Also, who gets into two fights on their first day of school and doesn't get expelled, or at least excluded? The whole bullying thing is so fucking played out now that it was just painful to watch.
As for the "present day" storyline with adult Jade, I still don't know what the plot is supposed to be. So far we know she's a researcher, and that Umbrella is after her. Why? Why is she researching the zombies, and why is Umbrella after her? We don't yet know. All we know is that she's still trying to get back to her family at the University place. Okay, great. But if that was the plot, they'd have spent more time setting it up and explaining exactly what it was. Instead, half the time it's just her running away from Umbrella goons, the leader of which just got killed. Where's the plot, guys?
And everyone says "why didn't they stick closer to the games?" as if that would somehow have made this any better. It would by virtue of giving the show a plotline and forcing it to stick to one story, but that wouldn't have saved the dialogue or even the overall quiality of the show; it would still just be an adaption, after all. What would have made this show better is if it were just a different show. The Resident Evil films didn't really stick to the games at all, but they still have fans. I'll watch them if they're on.
So yeah, I'm cutting my losses and giving up. Instead, I've just started watching Game of Thrones from the beginning, and the very first scene of the very first episode does a better job of explaining the story than Resident Evil does in three full episodes. That's good writing.
>>28768Cringey pointless made for TV movie that’s a product of the paranoia of its time
Just watch its short film version
[ Not a film I just watched, but this thread is best ]
https://web.archive.org/web/20200528163305/https://www.bfi.org.uk/news-opinion/news-bfi/lists/50-films-to-see-by-15I found a list of 'top 50 films to watch before 15 years old' and I'm surprised to see
Hunt for the Wilderpeople on there. It's a great fun film, but surprising to see on that list. Maybe I'm sheltered but it seems a solid 13+ by normal society standards.
>>24481revenge fantasy with the girlies, el classico 2022
very colourful
if there are any non zoomers, yes this his how e talk
not really a little bit >>29202>El clasico 2022Slowly but surely, la tortuga gana la carrera
Also Snatch is one hell of a movie
>>29212It was pretty funny, It was so good that it "inspired" some of its plot into a bollywood movie
I hated that rich guy tho, He was so creepy with the pig feeding,
>>29393i honestly don't get the cellphone argument
sure, horror movies a little can be ruined by them, but other movies too?
>>29395true, especially information conveyed
i haven't seen many good implementations of text messages or digital stuff
the last one I remember is Ms.Marvel because it was used creatively, bubbly, and colorfully on the walls and streets, much like the character and fit well
>>30617?
movies are still like that
also i liked the message in this one about rats, it was sweet
>>27512>films himself getting run over>films himself running people over (30:10)ahh, the duality of man
There's definitely an effort to highlight the hectic business of the town center, but I can't help but feel it's a little bit lost on me who chuckles and walks down a city street.
>live child birthI half expected them not to show it. American media has really ruined my expectations…
>>30893i've not watched the movie till the end, is gojira sentient?
also i'm talking about the bureaucracy that people often label as a communist only problem, even though this is apparent in capitalist ones too
Also I was worried it might be a rightoid message but this is made by the same guy who made evangelion, so pretty sure it's a left-wing critique
>>30896his name is SHIN?? i thought it translated to "new godzilla"
have you seen shin ultraman, is it better?
>>31065the movies is also about how awful it is when everything is hyper-commodified and what ever other social media effect is where everyone talks about everything like a psychologoist and is really mean to each other
Also Todd & Aaron from Mega 64 multiple cameos, it's really funny
A mix of live action and adult animation with a confrontational, polemical Black Nationalist message.
It starts off before anything else with a grotesque sambo cartoon caricature standing in front of a still photo of a lamplit street at night. The cartoon stares at the viewer for a short while before uttering "fuck you". Another sambo jumps out from behind it to tell a cynical joke to the viewer about how much of "you white folks" jumped off of the Golden Gate Bridge, and how of 1 of only 2 of the black people that did, they were pushed. It laughs bitterly and walks off with its friend. This is pretty obviously meant to be a confrontation between 2 apparent opposites in American society, with the dynamic between depicted and audience highlighting it very awkwardly via cinematic form. Also, the joke hints at a percieved difference in deaths between white and black, white people dying of ennui and black people dying of violence, showing starkly different social or psychological conditions between the 2.
A side-profile of Scatman Crothers singing "I'm a uyghur man" while the title credits roll comes after that, after which the live-action story kicks off in a rural Gullah-esque community in the South centering around a prison break plan. While the prisoners wait on their friends to break them out, one of them starts telling a story, which starts the animated story which takes up most of the runtime.
Interspersed are animation shorts centering around a curvy, tall blonde white woman symbolically representing America seducing a black sambo character before either killing or maiming it.
The whole movie is a fever dream adventure through a cartoonishly racial worldview that never lingers long enough where it has to actually say anything beyond pushing racism as a universal constant, is very dated and confused in its social polemic to the point where it could be the complete opposite of subversive, although at least not taking too much of your time, with a quick pace and short runtime, just under an hour and a half, if anyone ever decides to watch through it. Which includes me, unfortunately.
>>27022I watched Thor: Love and Thunder yesterday, and I thought it was alright. A lot of people seemed to be saying it was somehow worse than the other Marvel films because it was "too comedic" or not serious enough, which I actually disagree with.
They are all action films with comedy awkwardly and sometimes inappropriately shoved it, whereas this felt like a comedy with some action and some drama, and I think it mixed those elements far better that most other Marvel capeshit does. There were no moments where the dramatic tension was undercut for the sake of a stupid Whedon-esque 4th wall-breaking gag, which was a huge improvement.
I saw Pig, starring Nicholas Cage, yesterday. Best film I have seen in a long, long while. You think it's going to be a film where a dishevelled Cage hobbles around killing people to find his pig, like a cross between John Wick and Hobo With A Shotgun, but it ends up being a quiet, contemplative meditation upon the nature of grief. Only real criticism I have of it is that the dialogue is very quiet in places. Only 1hr30 long though, and every scene counts. Watch it, if you haven't already.
>>31124Yeah, looking back they kind of did. I didn't really notice it at the time though, so it never bothered me when I first watched it. I'm probably not going to re-watch it either, so I guess it doesn't matter!
>>26998>>27006Just watched The Northman. If you're some kind of neo-Nazi who jerks off to vikings, I have no idea why you would actually like The Northman. The Norse pagans are treated as the most vile, brutish savages imaginable. Absolutely no attempt is made to romanticize the Norse, and in fact it's the opposite. They're simple-minded and casually violent savages enacting bloody rituals to dark gods between orgies of violence, propped up by innumerable captive slaves kidnapped from their frequent raids in mainland Europe. Iceland, where most of this movie takes place, might as well be a chunk of frozen Hell that bubbled up from the darkest abyss of the ocean. The movie is set in the twilight years of this culture, Scandinavia is going to start to Christianize in about a century, and the movie's attitude honestly seems to be "rest in piss, you won't be missed, the Church can't come soon enough".
Finally got around to watching Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless mind last night, and it was great. Wonderful cinematography, strong performances by both the main and supporting cast, and the writing and premise are fantastic. Technically a sci-fi picture too, and in a way it's the best handling of sci-fi elements that I've seen in a long time due to it simply providing a basis for the story to happen (and giving an excuse for tons of visuals and special effects otherwise alien to quirky rom-com dramas).
The film follows the story of a man named Joel, played by an unusually sombre Jim Carrey, who meets a colourful stranger named Clementine, played by Kate Winslet. Finding out that, after a breakup, Clementine has had Joel erased from his memory, he endeavours to do the same - only to realise partway through the process that actually, the memories are worth keeping. Unable to tell the technicians (played by Mark Ruffalo, Elijah Wood, Kirsten Dunst, and Tom Wilkinson) that he has changed his mind, he begins desperately leading Clementine through his past in a bid to keep her from disappearing completely.
Despite the tumult of the story, there is far more levity than I was expecting, juxtaposing nicely with the bitter moments and helping to make the relationship(s) seem more realistic. There are also moments where Carrey's comedic leanings are allowed to come through; they aren't so distracting as to take away from the film, in fact working quite well, but if you don't like Carrey's comedic roles, you might just find these moments annoying.
One point of contention is the fact that Clementine plays somewhat into the manic pixie dream girl trope, being impulsive, completely emotionally open even upon their first meeting, and coming on to Joel tremendously fast at the start of the film. Joel for his part is emotionally closed-off, seemingly incapable of speaking his mind, and is somewhat incomplete as a person - very much the opposite of Clementine.
Due to the memory-hopping of the film mixing scenes from the beginning, middle and end of their relationship, we get to see the downsides of this trope as it would exist in real-life, and are made to empathise with both characters.
Ultimately this is a film with relatable characters and a touching, sometimes heartbreaking, sometimes heartwarming story, which is perhaps why people still talk about it today.
I could go on, but I don't think you need to hear an anon talk about a film which came out close to 19 years ago. At least I can now say that there's a rom-com I like!
>>28886I think people put too much weight into Fletcher's monologue near the end
Neiman is just as pathological as Fletcher
He is a servile sort of narcissist who's desperately looking for a "deserving" father figure to affirm what he sees as his craft and tries to find it in the demanding though mediocre and academic Fletcher
They both end up psychologically feeding into each other, turning into a vortex that consumes them both
>>31770I watched this movie with my family on Christmas. Bad idea, it's a real tear jerker. I probably would have more to say if I had read or watched any other version of Pinocchio beforehand lol.
>Del Toro sets this version of Pinocchio in [spoiler]fascist Italy[/spoiler] and makes an overtly [spoiler]anti-fascist[/spoiler] filmFrom what I know about del Toro, he
really loves setting his films in [spoiler]Fascistic Catholic countries during World War II. Although he has some spiritual beliefs of his own and Catholicism influences his work, I know he hates the Catholic church with a passion (due to his Catholic family being strict and how the Church collaborated with fascists), which is why he often criticizes it.[/spoiler]
But I don't know why anything Peterson has to say is relevant in any way. If he publicly shat on this film I missed it, sadly.
>>31991Peterson has a big thing for Pinocchio in general, specifically because of the lesson. He cares about it so much he incorporates it into his Jungian psychology as a major element. He wouldn't like this movie because it defies the normal moral lessons quite explicitly.
>From what I know about del Toro, he really loves setting his films inI believe his family fled Francoist Spain before his birth in Mexico.
>>31991Fuck me, I forgot that you spoiler shit with double asterisks on here. Whatever>>31993>Peterson has a big thing for Pinocchio in general, specifically because of the lessonI see, that's a weird think to fixate on.
>I believe his family fled Francoist Spain before his birth in Mexico.I didn't know that, now his work makes way more sense.
I liked it. I think it does it a good job, of course, of making fun of the hypocrisies of bourgeois culture. Like when the Russian woman is forcing the staff to "have fun" and not being capable of understanding their class position. I thought the stuff with the Marxist (who goes out of his way to say he's not a communist???) captain a bit ham-fisted and too long. It just wasn't that interesting listening to the random quotes and kind of preachy. Maybe it's more appealing if you aren't familiar with this stuff already. And not blaming billionaires personally (they are after all simply agents of capital, determined by their class position, and have a good heart, this is said explicitly) feels like a bit lame when you consider the high-culture that financed this film it being displayed in the Palme d'Or.
spoilers
I really like after they get stranded on the isle. Very materialism-pilled. The cleaning lady ascends to be the boss and reproduces a form of domination because she's the only one capable of developing and using the means of production (fire and fishing poles). The actual ending I think is great, it's revealed they're really just on a resort isle, the cleaning lady is about to bash in a bougie bitch's head (she's been sleeping/raping her model bf) and the bougie bitch says something like "I can help you, I can give you a job, you can be my assistant". A great tragedy, the boug's horizons are so limited that their idea of "help" is to make someone a wage slave. And what's the woman going to do? Bashing the bougies head in won't solve anything, she'll just end up a murderer and get arrested. She's forced, rationally, to accept this degrading offer of "help" because that's the way things are.
>>32073Montage with House of the rising sun and Joe Pesci getting whacked is always worth it.
>>31991Great stop motion movie. Only behind Mad God
Just watched this shit. Was a tolerable enough slice of life film throughout the long as runtime. Plot = non-existant. The narration that randomly cuts in like 3 times was lazy and stupid. The main character was kind of intolerably Mary Sue.
BUT WORST OF ALL was that fucking ending. Holy shit. I actually turned it off. I swear to god Quentin Tarantino just needs his violence against women quota for his movies. Is this supposed to be a revenge porn against the Manson family like Django was for slave owners and Inglorious Bastards for Nazis? Just why?
I swear to god next film, he's going to buy the rights to Mark Wahlberg's 9/11 fantasies.
Lol I was looking up the ending on twitter to see what people thought and it seems everyone including WaPo were doing articles like these:
How true to life is the ‘Once Upon a Time in Hollywood’ ending?https://www.washingtonpost.com/arts-entertainment/2019/07/29/how-true-life-is-once-upon-time-hollywood-ending/And the rest of the responses were slobbering over it. I swear to god everyone in America is an absolute retard.
>>32176>Just why?Probably because Tarantiono was a big fan of Sharon since he was a child. Probably should have googled this shit it's not like it's a state secret or something.
> just needs his violence against women quota for his moviesYou mean against the one who in real life continuously stabbed pregnant Sharon who begged her to spare her child? Yeah, i guess.
>>32177>Probably because Tarantiono was a big fan of Sharon since he was a child. Probably should have googled this shit it's not like it's a state secret or something.How would I have googled a fact I didn't know unless I wanted to read every stupid interview he did on the movie I didn't like in the first place. Still it's no explanation. I guess it's just confirming what I already said, which is that the Brad Pitt character was so self-insert, Mary Sue, that it had me gagging throughout the entire movie. The DiCaprio part was entertaining enough I guess. Also all the Sharon Tate parts were so shoehorned into the movie it was ridiculous. I saw trailers for it before and I had no clue it even involved the Manson/Tate thing.
>You mean against the one who in real life continuously stabbed pregnant Sharon who begged her to spare her child? Yeah, i guess.Don't really care. Definitely don't care to see some graphic revenge porn about them.
Like I said, I guess that's his thing now, doing graphic revenge porn fantasy for every real world villain. I hope he does the Mark Wahlberg 9/11 story. Will be some satisfying real auter kino shit. 🤮🤮🤮
>>31488Lol 1488
>>31494The thing is
Everything depicted in the Northman is actually based to the psychotic atheist fashoids of the modern day, and arguably all fashoids to ever exists
Fascists worship violence, murder, cruelty, and domination of the “weak”, the only gods they would worship are brutal and cruel, this depiction of the Norse is likely how white nationalists think white people should live
>>32179>How would I have googled a fact I didn't knowYou could've started with "Why Tarantino made this movie" google search and take it from there. 5-10 minutes spent would have brought you the result. Guess reading is ain't for everybody.
I don't think you understand what "self insert" is.
>Don't really care.Well it is a conincidence that no one cares about the fact that you don't care either. Go fuck yourself, troll.
>>32176Tarantino is a golden example of why "cinephiles" shouldn't make movies
You can religiously frequent cinemas and video stores and be as much of a scholar of genres as you want, it won't make you an artist
>>28788I know this is old now, but I have to call it out.
>Threads wasn't based on a short film>If it was, this wouldn't be it>thinks that this is less cringe than Threads (a no-effort campaign ad for Lyndon Johnson, a man famous for being peaceful)>Thinks that the paranoia of the time was unjustifiedliterally what the fuck are you talking about?
>>32400 (me)
I should point out too that the bit about Johnson was sarcasm
>>32180The 10 second scene of a Jew emptying an entire magazine into Hitler's face as they massacre the entire core of the Nazi regime wasn't rewarding enough?
>>32095It gets a bad wrap because le edgy taxi driver literally me bait, but it's a solid satire of (among other things) alienating corporate/capitalism life and violent middle-class reaction to it, and despite the obvious restrictions of successful Hollywood (especially product placement), the movie was solid.
Ending is
based and Pol Pot pilled I wasn't sure whether to post this here or in the other film thread
>>1660 but what is a good, enjoyable film to watch that is
-not too terrible of politics
-not depressing
-not too disturbing
light-hearted or dramatic but upbeat is okay
>>32939fuck the king
granny should have gone for the throat
>>33129Definitely going to be shit.
It's just Hasbro (owner of WotC) trying to bring in a bunch of new consumers to jump on their 6e
mobile game "integrated virtual table top" after everyone who actually knows what a TTRPG is bails out for alternative systems.
>>33152>after everyone who actually knows what a TTRPG is bails out for alternative systemsTbf D&D has
always been a hot mess and treated as a paving stone to find better games later.
>>33882Aren't things already shitty?
Opinions aside, any predictions on what this will affect? The 2007/2008 strike changed Breaking Bad with a certain character surviving instead
https://www.avclub.com/the-writers-strike-of-2007-08-changed-breaking-bad-for-1798239848 >>34001Jack Sparrow or Wiliam Turner? The movie has two protagonists. And during what scene?
If it wasn't a kids movie I wouldn't even be mad. Pirates were rapists. Historical fact.
>>34006>Pirates were rapists. Historical fact.Uh oh somebody fell for the Royal Navy propaganda. Pirates were violent to be sure, but on the whole were more civil than the colonial forces they fought (and were often defectors from), were more politically progressive, and indeed more diverse in ethnicity and gender than even the most woke pirate media would have you believe.
>Jack Sparrow or Wiliam Turner? It's Sparrow, and he's using the stock phrase "rape, pillage, and plunder" which IIRC in context is him sarcastically riffing on the pirate stereotype. He's also definitely not the protagonist, in the first movie, more like a mentor or Han Solo guy. Pirate flag anon might have a bit of 'tism.
>>34006>Pirates were rapistt. Historic Fact. Oh no better not mention the Pirate Republic of Nassau and the Pirate Code. Which was the Code of Ethics between Pirate crews in how they would elect their leaders on the ship to sharing all the plundered Booty Equally amongst themselves. A lot of the Pirates were like the Anon here mentions
>>34010 that they were usually Ex-Sailors or Merchants who were tired of getting fucked over by Inequality on the ships.
>>34051Serbian Film and Human Centipede aren't even comparable. they're just shitty shock movies. Martyrs is just a legitimately good (and difficult to watch) film.
if you want more I'd recommend checking out other films in the New French Extremity genre. Inside (À l'intérieur) (2007) is one of my favorite films of all time. In My Skin (2002) is also really good although I haven't seen that one in a minute.
>>34058maybe I need to rewatch it because it's another thing that I haven't seen in a few years, but I remember it being way more of an actual film than Serbian Film or Human Centipede. I mean honestly Human Centipede in particular is just total garbage.
as far as worthless shock shlock goes I've always liked the August Underground series, but there are also a few of that type of movie that I haven't seen yet
>>34071A few moments were hilarious though
A battered Joaquin Phoenix mumbling and crying while some angsty suburban princess screeches at him for no discernible reason
>>34073wtf is beau is afraid, can you run me down?
i am afraid of beau is afraid
>>32095Can someone explain to me what 10 year anniversary edition means?
Because I just pirated it.
Recently watched this. Brutal movie.
https://youtu.be/DX1uyJUa1o8Also "Bitter Rice"
>>34186Went ahead and watched this, damn everybody is in a worse place at the end.
Watched the Seventh Seal, pretty good, it even has a Looney Tunes esque scene where Death cuts down a tree a guy is sitting in to kill him.
>>34691Is there a memorable scene other than the burning cows you remember?
I have vague recollections the Romans also used the Oxen thing, I think it was against the Macedonians post the Punic wars
>>30891A communist system couldn't bypass it, it would be essentially the same, in the movie they did almost everything right and fast even with their limitations. Maybe with a communist system it would be worse since you wouldn't have camera crews in helicopters flying over the problem because they wouldn't be authorized to do so by the state, maybe it would be better because everything would works with councils taking decisions and feeding up intel to the top so the response would be faster and they wouldn't need the authorization of the prime minister to evacuate a targeted city or launch a military attack.
I don't feel this movie is a critic of our system, on the contrary it is a compliment to our capacity to organize. This movie shows that for all its problems, the bureaucracy of a solid state in face of a completely new and not intended problem eventually adapts and get things done. It's like an heroic tale, but a collectivist one.
>>34809how the same real estate business then take your car your source of income but expect you to pay off
what a cruel system.
>>30891>>34771If Shin Godzilla is a critique of bureaucracy then it's a Space Whale Aesop because godzilla doesn't apply as an allegory to anything in the real world in this movie. Some people have interpreted it as being about climate change or polluting the seas, but that has no relevance to what godzilla actually is and does or how they stop it. Moreover, if the point was that kind of critique then they shouldn't have been able to beat godzilla (at least not as a single country), it should have just done the damage and left, leaving them wondering if/when it would be back.
The one guy being able to figure out what to do and finally get it done is such a lazy overdone trope and almost ruined the entire movie for me but definitely ruined anything more than schlock entertainment value I might have found in it.
>It's like an heroic tale, but a collectivist one.It wants to be but it really isn't. Anno is one of those "visionary" guys who thinks he is the special boy around whom the entire project revolves (and to be fair this is often the case for him), and he can't help but bring that Great Man attitude to the story. A genuinely communist version of the story where Gojira was properly thought out as a metaphor for capitalism could be great though.
>>34811what is shin ultraman about then?
about ecology?
>>34879>>34880Look, just because the original gojira was a clear allegory for the bombs doesn't mean the billion other godzillas mean anything. Does the 1998 burger godzilla represent something too? I went into Shin Godzilla expecting a climate allegory and I just don't see it. Loose parallels don't count. Unlike with climate change, the government was throwing everything they had at the problem. The whole focus of the story was how even with the whole machine doing its best it was barely able to do anything. It's a story about humanity's limits, not really about disregard for the consequences of our actions.
>FukushimaWe know how to respond to nuclear meltdowns. Fukushima was made worse by the government failing to respond effectively
when they could have, not that the problem was outside the scope of their powers to affect. It's really nothing like the outside-context problem of godzilla. Tacking on some ADR dialogue in the news montage about how the creature might be an animal mutated by radiation doesn't change what the story is fundamentally about.
>>35143except in shin godzilla he's a manmade disaster and the government can deal with it in various ways but instead chooses bureaucratic delays instead because no one wants to be the fall guy for this disaster
a lot like Fukushima
I just caught the North American mass premiere of Oppenheimer, specifically the digital IMAX version (there was a cinema showing the 70mm version an hour's drive away but I didn't think it was worth it). The legal parts confused me but they were just meant to illustrate the personal aspects so I got what I was meant to get. Oppenheimer's relationship with Communism is a bit of a central aspect but it's kind of downplayed into just being something that a careerist exploits to get him purged as well as a side effect of an affair that he has.
>>35420There's a scene that explicitly juxtaposes American chauvinism with the Hiroshima bombing, so no, it doesn't justify them.
>>35472What the actual fuck have leftoids being smoking
Why do so many of you nighas have such retarded takes on the film?
How the fuck was the film anticommunist? Because they cut the scene of Oppenheimer giving Stalin a hand job? Half the film was literally about how disgusting and scummy the Red Scare truly was, the communists are the people who are fighting the hardest for worker’s rights, the government hates anyone that advocates for fucking trade unions, the President boasts about having the blood of innocents on his hands before calling Oppenheimer a pussy for feeling guilt, and pretty much every decent character either was currently or formerly a communist and everyone that chooses opportunism (Oppie) loses out in the end
>>35485Oppenheimer's issue isn't that it's "anti-communist", it's that it's just kind of a mediocre biopic that doesn't tell you anything that a few Wikipedia articles won't
It's still better than capeshit though, and if it gets cinemagoers to think seriously about the medium again, then I'm all for it
>>35484>Christopher Nolan is a based anticapitalist>revolution will not be televised>it will come out on 35mm film in theaters near youBWOOOOOAAAAANGNolan can't write dialogue and Nolan doesn't understand emotion. It is impossible for his characters to feel anything unless the world or REALITY ITSELF is at stake.
<SOME GUY: Oppenheimer!, you are going to blow up the world<OPPENHEIMER (yelling through noise): I know, it is because my love for it is so immense<SOME GUY: Alright, but it will make me sad.<OPPENHEIMER (smirking): Oh no, my dear friend, you won't feel a thing. fuck Nolan and his shitty movies. name ONE good movie he has made. pro tip:
you can't >>35622Dunkirk was beautifully timed.
"Brexit? Don't worry about that. Here's a stirring retelling of Our Finest Hour Brave Boys. Onward Great England and it's aristocracy."
>>35955Truman show is basically the height of american pop culture in terms of unveiling the concept of ideology - which it has to do in literal terms
I like though that the setting is this 50s-esque americana, which is the illusion most yankees trail off to in their heads as "the good old days" and so demolishes the prison of that fixation
Stalker is severely overrated
Its interesting, but is it really "one of the best"?
I feel like it gets a pass because its "foreign" to westerners which automatically makes it "artistic"
>>24772The conflict in the batman was between terrorism or democracy, just like in the dark knight
Batman will never be a redeemable character except to the middle class scum who are always thirtsting for judge-dredd-esque vigilantes to kill shoplifters and vandals
>>27241It has a supernatural quality also. Of the contingency of miracles. The shoe, and the unrecordability of the alien.
The domestication, or objectification of a creature by film - celluloid holds the soul in place.
Think of the horse seeing itself in reflection - it had a mysterious undertone to the whole thjng which was interesting.
In us too is the mirroring of the family - the haunted reflection. Jordan peele is clearly working out his spirituality in these works
>>28453I actually loved mad god
It shows the madness of bio-logic in lieu of increasing cybernetic imaginations
How low can we go?
>>34708In the end we have 2 options
Become a terrorist
Or get pussy
>>36033I was gonna say 'get on If… 's level' of prescience, it ended in a triumphant school shooting in 1968, but I can't find the clip, everything on youtube when I search is just real school shooting related lol
ah ok I found it by searching 'ending' instead of shooting lol
>>36016I think it's a film that anyone that loves movies should watch because it's a very particular experience. There's no fancy cuts, the most special special effect is a smoke machine, and the biggest stunt is a couple guys jumping into piles of chemicals. It's diametrically opposed to Marvel movies in a lot of ways, which while not necessarily making it good, at least makes it worth watching.
But ultimately it is just
three guys going on a nature hike for three hours and talking about the nature of humanity before they have to decide whether or not they're willing to face their true selves and finally deciding to just go home so I can understand how that's not everyone's cup of vodka.
But at least it is free, so.
>>36050>stalker is about jeeeesuuuuusI dunno about that. I guess journey to the room could be interpreted as a metaphor to coming to god or something like that, but I think that's kind of a stretch. The room really seems more like a genie than a christian entity. Maybe you could say that the Stalker himself has certain parallels to christ if you squinted hard enough.
>there are way more fun soviet films than this one on the mosfilm channel tooGypsies Are Found Near Heaven was actually really good imo. I wouldn't call it "fun" but it is a pretty good drama/tragedy. I have been meaning to look at some of the comedies, because I've never watched a Russian/Soviet comedy before.
>>36052To me the myth of the narrative is the very idea of a mystery still alive in a godless world. The military guard the place, there is the ambiguous threat of the environment itself - but there is nothing, and that is the secret. Its about religion that way, in preserving meaning as such, by the denial of its nonsense.
But then the child is supernatural, and so the myth becomes real - was there really a power in that place all along? We can never know.
>>36053I suppose that's a plausible interpretation, but I think that Teacher actually going into the room and being granted a billion rubles kind of undermines it. Although, that is still speculation too.
>>36055>Its about religion that way, in preserving meaning as such, by the denial of its nonsense.Myth: plausible.
>>36054Yeah, that'd be cool actually.
>>35524Dunkirk is actually good because it's where his sterile affect actually works because all of the characters are by design meant to be archetypal, taciturn blank slates for the audience to project onto. It's an oddly minimalistic movie for him, the conflict is localized to a single battle in the war and the scope of conflict is restricted to intimate settings within an apocalyptic environment. There's barely any dialogue for the first 15 minutes and war itself is treated like a horror movie monster - the germans themselves are never really depicted, the threat is war itself as an ambient, oppressive abstraction, like god hurling pox after pox from the sky
I don't think Nolan's style is a drawback, it's more that his coldness and fondness for a very mythic vibe really only works with specific material. Like Kubrick, he's fascinated by systems and their breakdown
>>36024become a terrorist, then…
SÉXO is counter-revolutionary
>>36662To make money? It couldn't be more obvious.
It was based on a book by the titular 'wolf' so it's just self promotion mixed with a bit of American psycho.
>>36662In addition to the whole "make money" point already made…
Movies like this about controversial people and subjects are often intentionally vague so they can operate as a kind of cipher for any audience member. Some people will watch it and think the guy's cool and based. Some people will think is shows how seedy and gross Wall Street is.
>>36665it's a shame
scorsese used to be a beast straddling the avant garde and mainstream in the 70s and 80s
now he makes completely forgettable schlock
>>36797Yeah it was pretty bad. The writing was really atrocious. Why I don't really like avante garde movies. It seems they just have the movie be empty and people act randomly and inexplicably and that somehow makes it good. I call them Rorschach ink blot test movies. You can just be pomo and see whatever you want to see. But what does it mean? I'll just show you random images and you make up your own mind. I think this becomes most obvious in movies like this that try to take an avante garde approach to shlocky genres, because they follow all the same patterns and tropes as the shlocky genres and do them badly but the veneer makes it seem like it's deep bro. For example Midsommar is very much like El Conde in that sense.
the plot of the movie made no sense. Pinochet is a vampire who wants to die. His servant is faithful to him and wants to help him die, but for some reason he can't die. He can't kill him, because he's a vampire slave(but actually the vampire slavery trope doesn't actually mean anything because he tries to kill him later) So therefore he goes on a murder rampage, because he knows that if he does, Pinochet's children will decide they have to kill them themselves by showing up and demanding an accounting of his assets in which they will hire a vampire slayer posing as an accountant. Like this is what is revealed to us that set the whole story in motion. The butler knew 5 improbable steps would happen if he went on the murder rampage. The nun character, I still have no idea what was up with her, the way she acts, the things she said just made no sense at all throughout the whole film. Then the butler and the wife try to kill Pinochet, fuck up, then the nun tries to kill him too, fucks up, then the butler kills her after he already tried to kill Pinochet? Why? Who knows. It seemed like he was trying to switch back to team Pinochet, but Pinochet isn't having it(but all this is just inferrence because there's not one word of dialogue in between all these turns of events.) The kids try to kill him, but immediately give up, but he forgives them immediately without a word either. The whole Thatcher VO was completely confusing throughout the movie for no reason just to setup a big reveal that served no purpose. And then the ending is just, and Pinochet lived happily ever after. Awesome.It's just a well filmed, but badly written regular old vampire shlock film. Written worse than some decent films of that genre.
>>36798The ending of the movie is probably the only decent aspect in the sense that
they're portraying, not very subtly ofc, that Pinochet got away scot free irl so the same happens here. That being said though I would be unable to tell someone who hasn't seen the movie what it's about. What's the purpose of the movie? To mock Pinochet? To honor the victims? I think you hit the nail on the head with the Rorschach test comment, this movie tries to be nothing so it can be interpreted however the viewer wants.
>>36958 me
TBF some stuff in the body addressed the theme, the children, the money. But a lot didn't make sense within the framework of the story as I addressed
>>36798 and also so much was actually random bullshit.
>>36662that movie turned me into a communist. it seems like they were trying to have "a modern take" on the gangster movie. But it fails without the whole rising from the bottom and the fall narrative.
In comparison to that, I recently watched "once upon a time in america" from Sergio Leone and that is now my favourite gangster movie of all. Apparently half the movie was cut, and it shows but even then I still really enjoyed it.
>>37208I'd say the first hour establishing the premise and the last hour after the FBI shows up are all really good, but the hour and a half in between just repeats the same plotting > killing > grieving sequence ad nauseam. The movie is worth seeing but it's just too damn long. Sadly, unlike Heaven's Gate I don't think you'd be able to
actually cut the middle act entirely without making the story incomprehensible.
>>37304I was actually surprised how well I fared without having to pee, drink, stretch etc. That said, it's also not the kind of movie that demands to be seen on a big screen.
>>37026>I recently watched "once upon a time in america" from Sergio Leone and that is now my favourite gangster movie of all.That movie really didn't click with me. The plot was confusing, I couldn't really relate to any of the characters, and the production value was disappointing (lots of fake-looking sets). Maybe the American cut is actually better though, I watched the "extended director's cut" and 4+ hours was way too long.
The only things I still remember about the film are its superb soundtrack (by Morricone) and the rape scene in the limo; was really shocking after the sappy date scene in the fancy restaurant almost put me to sleep. >>37641oh i saw the trailer for this, looks like a schmalzy hardboiled-character-rediscovers-innocence type thing
might watch it
Saw "La estrategia del caracol". Very good Colombian movie telling the story of people about to be expelled from a building by mafia porkies who decide to not go quietly. Funny and entertaining but about serious political stuff. Featuring Karl Marx as a crazy engineer and explosive expert.
You can see the movie here:
https://youtu.be/1J2tNHNzwQA>>37846Across the spiderverse did not live up to the hype, it was pretty crap in terms of story, antagonist and themes. The first Spiderverse film was much better, and told a concise yet still detailed multiverse story that didn't preach at the audience or create narrative holes. Spiderman 2099 alone is one of the stupidest things in the story, especially considering the source material; there's a reason the "canon event" thing became a meme.
An full critique of the film part by part would be an essay in itself, and I'm not bothering to make effort posts on a story I don't like or dislike enough to merit it, so TL;DR: it was not kino and falls flat compared to the preceding film. If you enjoyed it, that's a different matter, fun movies that you enjoy don't have to be Kino.
>>37883
I'm not going to go into an essay but I will expand a bit more on my point, since you're asking for it.
>disliking the movie just seems completely contrarian.
It's really not, stop trying to position it as such, that only works if something is popular. The first film was enormously popular and liked, so most people went into this one without having negative associations and presupposed notions about it. Many such as myself found it very lack luster and shallow. What made the animation unique and interesting in the first film gets over-done to the point where it's an eyesore, trying to hard to be "unique". The sound-design was terrible too, with loud noise and music making dialogues hard to discern.
All those things you state as "representative of totalitarianism" or other symbolism is just extrapolations you've reached, when it's really not that deep, just pretending to be. The message of people having limited options and conforming under totalitarianism can be a good story, but it doesn't fit with this premise. This same exact concept of a debate over non-interference as a plot point is done much better in Star Trek series like TNG, with the Prime Directive and the reason it exists versus some of the violations of it and justifications of such violations. It doesn't take that long to tell such a story, with the longest I recall being an hour and a half long. The Multiverse argument can't even be used since they're not actively hopping through and exploring each multiverse, almost all of the alternative verses are barely explored or relevant.
What the story theme is really about is the done-to-death American theme that teenagers know better than their parents, which is a de-evolution from stories that were about the overall conflict and rights/wrongs of both parent and child and the reconciliation of both their world-views, which is how Soviet and older Western story-telling discussed the topic (such as Mirror for a Hero). The "They don't know me" schtick is another tired cliche too.
Cutting to the chase of the story and bypassing the immense amount of very bland fanservice for the beginning of the film, Miles realizes that under Miguel's direction, the Spiderman guild is letting people die to preserve the canon of their stories and lore. The thing is that this breaks the entire comic-book setting because its conceptually a paradox, especially since this is essentially 4th-wall self-awareness. The "canon event" doesn't work if the character is aware and actually able to change the event, if things are fated to be, then no action or inaction will change it, if things are not fated to be, then there's no reason for a comic-book hero to not act. There's a difference between not knowing what would happen and knowing someone would die and not protecting them for the sake of a sacrifice to canon when the very existence of multiverses means that there is an infinite number of each reality where different things happened.
The impacts for the story alone are staggering. Saving someone doesn't change the fact that the original timeline where, (for example) Uncle Ben died, and if a Spiderman saves Uncle Ben, then this becomes a new reality and new verse where he was saved, and the timelines split from that point, a la Terminator and Terminator 2, wherein one timeline has Judgement Day happen and another where it's prevented/delayed, which is why you don't have the grandfather paradox with John Connor. Otherwise saving anyone from any verse is impossible because it becomes a paradox, because if one [action] happens then the timeline doesn't continue as it did, which means the events that led up to the timeline being interfered with can't happen, which means that [action] could never have taken place to begin with. So either way the entire plot of the film stops making sense because either way there's no reason to not try to save someone fated to die, as it will either be impossible, or it will split timelines and not change the original canon. It's contradictory to the idea that there is an infinite multiverse with infinite possibilities and either makes every single spiderman story meaningless because it's all predestined. Sure WE the audience know that, by nature of it being written by an author that has an ending in mind, but the characters do not, and within the story itself they can make choices that determine the end result, thus Fate is what we make it. OR we have an Oedipus situation, wherein trying to avoid or change fate, instead brings about the fated outcome.
The authors probably considered NONE of this and just slap-dashed generic time-travel rules to a multiverse without thinking through the consequences.
>Miguel is a poser
And that's stupid, it ignores the entire idea of who Spiderman 2099 is supposed to be. His entire story is built around both cynical pragmatism but also a principled idealism for heroism. His character would never abide by the concept of "let them die for the canon", no spiderman would because it fundamentally breaks the Spiderman character. FFS we're shown that there are THOUSANDS of spiderman variants and apparently they're aware of what's going on, yet not a single Peter Parker thinks "Wait a minute, this is wrong."? Only Miles suddenly has an epiphany about this just to make him look better than the rest of them, which is lame, since the idea of spiderverse is that each one brings something to the table unique to them. If you have to have a bad spiderman you can have those that forget the little things of being a hero like with some of the Iron Spider variants who get too caught up in heady power and start to be assholes, or spidermen that are driven to madness by their failures, or whatever, as has been done in other spiderverse stories. This just feels like a "everyone's an NPC but me" movie.
In fact Miguel and everyone that follows him feels like a lazy attempt to caricaturize comic fans that obsess over canon, which is admittedly a fair complaint, but fails to work within the actual story framework given. Either Miguel is right and Miles is essentially ready to sacrifice an entire universe of innocent people to try and prevent something that is fated to happen OR Miguel is wrong, and the entire concept including Miguel's own motivations of lost family are also meaningless sacrifices. There's gonna be some generic twist in the next film to "make it right" but I honestly have no idea how they're going to unfuck this cat-hairball of a mess.
>Think of gwen and her dad
I'd rather not, it's by far one of the stupidest parts of the film. Sure you don't choose family, but if your old man will put a gun to your head in a situation where you come to him for help, that man is no father to you. It's beyond unbelievable.
>Spiderpunk
Spider-punk is a literal punk in the sense that he talks a big game but in the end he wusses out, and his statement about "capitalism" is some of the most heavy-handed broad-stroke garden-variety childishness. He's an Ultra, same radlib rhetoric, same supposed criticism of capitalism and same shallow inaction at the end of it.
>people having limited choices in systems that dont work for them, but for itself.
Which is literally Margaret Thatcher's nonsense about Individuals. Society can be oppressive to individuals and groups, but society is also made up of individuals, You cannot reject one for the other or vice versa. The system is a reflection of the collective of individuals and their actions. All systems work for themselves, but that alone doesn't take away the agency of the people within it, to say otherwise is equivalent to the Nuremburg Defense.
>The next film will make this clear
Fuck that, a film, even a 2-parter needs proper pacing and should have a proper conclsion. The first half of the film is filled with lazy reference bait and petty drama. The story is just cliche after cliche, half-a-dozen subplots that remain unexpanded upon and are simply bait for possible future spin-offs to milk the "Spider-multiverse" idea dry. Finally the "Family" theme is heavy-handed, over-used and shallowly done. Lengthy character exposition is relied on to tell story beats rather than showing and implying. The central conflict of the story is poorly built up, which is amazing given that the film is over 2 hours long.
As a side note the diversity of the film is tokenistic as hell. I know a few of my Indian friends who were pissed about the Indian Peter Parker, since they just replaced the American name with similar-sounding Indian names and re-designed villains with shallow aesthetics that are basically racist stereotypes; Manhattan but hindu! He doesn't display anything lifestyle or culture-wise that would be unique to an in-depth version of the setting, something to actually make him his own character and which ought to be an impact as to how he became a hero mentally, since his story has no reason to be the same as the original Peter Parker Spiderman, as the material conditions are different.
I've said my piece as asked of me, I don't wish to continue the conversation, if others wish to, go ahead.. Good Night.
Watched the last half of Battle Beyond the Stars with my dad because it was airing on a free movie channel. Like Star Wars but sillier (although not an outright parody like Spaceballs). Some of the ship designs were actually pretty good.
>>37886Loved it, heard that a lot of these old samurai movies shit on samurai and the japanese feudal order in general, was not disappointed
>>37884>his story has no reason to be the same as the original Peter Parker Spiderman, as the material conditions are different. That's the whole problem with the "canon event" concept (and the "multiverse" premise as it's currently used) in general. We have to assume that despite wildly different realities, certain things will just happen the same way regardless for the sake of the story.
At least in some older versions of the multiverse premise, the only time you had alternate versions of individual people was when they were different branches of the same original timeline. In other words, the same people but with the different possible outcomes, like a choose your own adventure story. The problem with this is that the butterfly effect means that any specific individual person won't exist in most universes. Essentially, the universes where they don't exist would be infinitely larger than the ones where they do. And the ones ehere they do would be infinitely many. The whole concept is basically too big to really fit it into a proper story. Especially not the kind of simple and formulaic one you are allowed to tell in a contemporary mainstream movie or TV show.
It's also a very insidious form of propaganda, because the message is basically Calvinist. Things must be this way and turn out this way. Like, in Spiderverse the "canon event" plot point is about a police captain close to Spider-Man dying. This means that in the story, across all universes there is a police force. The movie is very explicitly saying that there is no reality without the police (among pther things).
These movies are also weirdly obsessed with validating bourgeois institutions, like how Miles Morales gives a shit about going to college to study physics so he can learn about the multiverse… when what they know in academia in his universe amounts to nothing compared to what he could learn from the spiderverse people who have technology that lets them casually jump universes and manipulate causality.
>>38199Holy shit, they're still making these?
When the first movie was new, there were posters all over the place. My thing was to stick question marks over them, so they'd read "God's not dead?"
>>24481just watched Brazil
most of it was amazing
the romance was shitty and less developed than anakin and padme
>>38199my mother made me watch the first one. basically this copypasta but a movie
A liberal muslim homosexual ACLU lawyer professor and abortion doctor was teaching a class on Karl Marx, known atheist
”Before the class begins, you must get on your knees and worship Marx and accept that he was the most highly-evolved being the world has ever known, even greater than Jesus Christ!”
At this moment, a brave, patriotic, pro-life Navy SEAL champion who had served 1500 tours of duty and understood the necessity of war and fully supported all military decision made by the United States stood up and held up a rock.
”How old is this rock, pinhead?”
The arrogant professor smirked quite Jewishly and smugly replied “4.6 billion years, you stupid Christian”
”Wrong. It’s been 5,000 years since God created it. If it was 4.6 billion years old and evolution, as you say, is real… then it should be an animal now”
The professor was visibly shaken, and dropped his chalk and copy of Origin of the Species. He stormed out of the room crying those liberal crocodile tears. The same tears liberals cry for the “poor” (who today live in such luxury that most own refrigerators) when they jealously try to claw justly earned wealth from the deserving job creators. There is no doubt that at this point our professor, DeShawn Washington, wished he had pulled himself up by his bootstraps and become more than a sophist liberal professor. He wished so much that he had a gun to shoot himself from embarrassment, but he himself had petitioned against them!
The students applauded and all registered Republican that day and accepted Jesus as their lord and savior. An eagle named “Small Government” flew into the room and perched atop the American Flag and shed a tear on the chalk. The pledge of allegiance was read several times, and God himself showed up and enacted a flat tax rate across the country.
The professor lost his tenure and was fired the next day. He died of the gay plague AIDS and was tossed into the lake of fire for all eternity.
Semper Fi.
oh I completely forgot I posted that
>>38232they're coming out with a fifth one! and you better believe I'm gonna watch the whole series again in one sitting on some kind of substance, like God intended
>>38233the first one is pretty fucking funny because it was made during a more innocent time in amerikan culture/politics where reaction was pretty much the status quo (it still more or less is, but it's at least not very acceptable anymore to be openly like "total homo death" in mass media). like, it comes from a place of extremely smug self-assurance where the people making the movie don't feel threatened really by the status quo, but they still have to put on a performative persecution complex thing, because that's part of the Evangelical rhetoric. it's kind of like r/atheism tier debatebro bullshit and it all exists safely in the university system, from the perspective of the film.
as the series goes on though, you can really see how the culture begins to shift through the 2010s. the films become increasingly paranoid, where the threat of degeneracy is no longer merely preying on young people in universities, but then it starts being in elementary schools (teachers can't be Christians!), to then the existence of churches themselves (they're burning down churches!), and then by the fourth one it's just fully in this absolutely hysterical conservatard mindset that that SJWs who "identify as self-partnered" (literally a line in the film) are coming to kick down your door and force your kids to be indoctrinated in the public school system if you try to homeschool them. by the end it started to get somewhat disturbing honestly.
also the DXM was fun. I ended up accidentally doing way too much on a weeknight and was hallucinating almost 24 hours afterwards, had been listening to Soviet marching music so once the peak started I just had "И вновь продолжается бой!" playing on my head on repeat rapidly. felt like the goddamn October Revolution to manage to stop freaking out on the bathroom floor.
>>38235I'm just a masochist honestly and like watching movies that have like no entertainment value in themselves just to make it into a test of endurance. the other night I watched pic related too blazed to remember what the fuck even happened in it (which is the only way to watch that movie)
>>38249see my above comments. you need to watch the whole series to really get the full picture of how conservatism in the US has really over the past decade gone increasingly mask off. though it hits differently for me because I also grew up around Evangelicals and know what they're like.
Everything is movies.
A phd is writing a book on Zardoz relating it to current themes pushed by Musk and Thiel and the rest. He has a luddite take that sounded extremely interesting on The Russians podcast. Or maybe he's just cashing to pay for his cabin in the woods.
https://yasha.substack.com/s/the-russians>>39076Probably only Dune worth watching. Also, LotR SEVEN?!
It seems like the only movie worth watching are indie movies. For the big productions, it looks like TV shows surpassed them in quality. I look forward to HotD season 2 more an any of this garbage now the war has started, could be kino if they don't screw up.
>>39076The whole concept (based on toys) is so fucking silly it's suprsing that franchise has fans, although I guess many watch it to make fun of it
Same with Fast and Furious, who actually watches this outside of plane rides and when the bus driver puts it on screen (muted!)
>>39439The original premise:
"Imagine a world where toys are sentient beings"
Ok been done many times before. But the difference is over the course of four movies they really flesh it out and show you how horrifying and depressing and the existentialist dread you would get if you were them.
Films I watched on my holiday and what I thought.
The Zone of Interest - 6/10
I get what they were going for but I personally felt it was a bit stale, and the 'looming horror of the holocaust' is a bit cliché by this point IMO.
Saltburn - 8/10
Quite a silly movie, but it had decent 'vibes' and the soundtrack was a lot of fun for a Brit who grew up in that era. Kinda recommend.
The Way (2024) - 2/10
Not actually a movie but I just wanted to say, it's so fucking bad. Don't watch it.
The Killing of a Sacred Deer - 4/10
I feel sort of bad giving this such a bad review because it's a horror and I don't like horror, but I wasn't aware of that when my BF picked it. I still think even if you liked horror you would find this kinda boring. Similarly to Zone of Interest I really am feeling tired of the 'atmosphere of dread' trope that so many filmmakers run with, it just feels lazy.
Past Lives (2023) - 6/10
Unremarkable and kinda dull, I respected it kinda for its portrayal of healthy and real-feeling modern relationships though.
Anatomy of a Fall - 8/10
Some really great performances, I enjoyed it a lot and I recommend it, my main criticism is that it felt a bit on the nose at times, I especially disliked the skinhead prosecutor character who felt like a caricature.
Beau is Afraid - 5/10
Some funny scenes in this, some good performances in this, but overall, it felt like a mess and like Ari Aster was just jacking off on the film, this Freudian shit is pretty weak, it's not the 30s anymore. I think there was a good movie in here trying to get out but it needed an editor and someone to tell the director when to stop just being weird and nonsensical.
Close (2022) - 7/10
Pretty well acted, but I felt it kind of meandered and came to a kinda weak conclusion, also just kind of depressing.
Minari - 8/10
Not an exceptional movie by any means but solidly put together and watchable, it felt pretty heartfelt and the characters were pretty fun. Recommend if you're in a schmaltzy mood.
Snowpiercer - 7/10
Had a good and left wing message but it was a lot sillier than I was expecting, it reminded me quite a bit of Equilibrium (which is a fun movie but not exactly a good one). But it wasn't bad, I think I would have given it another star if I liked the ending better but it just felt bleak to me.
Sing (2016) - 6/10
I only watched this while my BF was cooking and stuff, it was alright, it's an alright furry movie.
Sing 2 (2021) - 5/10
Felt weaker than the first, it tried to do more and have grander stakes but ended up feeling less than the first movie.
Half of these were A24 movies, I guess my boyfriend has a type since he picked almost all of them, but I guess it's also due to the writers strike as well. Well let me know what you think.
>>39862I don't think it's lazy at all. Unease is a real thing that everyone deals with, it's a basic human emotion that underlies a lot of the negative aspects of the human experience. I think it's perfectly legitimate to evoke it outside of horror. I don't think it's lazy, I think it's just a matter of it being a style of filmmaking that just isn't your thing, and hey, not everything floats everybody's boat.
I personally love it - I've suffered from anxiety disorder my whole life, and it's kind of cathartic and engaging to see art "get" it in a way that's aesthetically pleasing.
>I notice more and more filmmakers outside the horror genre are trying to make it the centerpiece of their filmsBut this is what I mean. Filmmakers outside of horror have been doing it for ages - just look at Ingmar Bergman movies or neo-noir thrillers from the 70s. It never really stopped, you see it in movies from every decade. It sounds like you're just now becoming aware of it for the first time tbh.
I don't mean to sound patronizing, but basically what I'm trying to say it that when you watch enough movies, you realize that a whole lot of shit that you previously thought was new when you were younger is actually old as dirt and never stopped being a thing. Take the whole minimalistic, starkly colored and lit neo-noir aesthetic that people commonly associate with the 80s and 2010s. The reality is that's an old trope - people were doing that for ages. A lot that kind of style that people commonly associate with those eras really has its roots in the color cinematography of arthouse, noir and horror flicks of the 60s and 70s, and once you notice it, again, you realize it never really went away - just look at how much you see its visual hallmarks in the thrillers and music videos of the Y2K era. (obvious example being something like The Matrix)
>>40353>>40342Oops you said Solaris not Stalker
same difference :^)
>>366621. It's just a fun movie with DeCaprio doing weird shit while being charming as fuck.
2. It's an interesting case study of someone with amazing abstract problem solving and people skills who uses their smarts to just accumulate random bullshit. The only fun thing in some rich peoples' lives is just hoarding and stepping on others. It's peering into the mind and world of someone very different from myself. A fun companion movie is The Aviator, another rags to riches story but focused on an autistic dudes obsession with airplanes instead of just being rich for the sake of it.
3. I love movies like this because they're a real character determiner. If I'm talking to someone about this movie at work or at a bar and they're like "Belfort is a badass, the government ruined his life!" then I know they're a fucking retard.
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