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 No.2562[View All]

Thread for discussing ATLA and LoK or rather analyzing both, appreciating the effort of creating the former and shitting on the lazy liberalism of the latter
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 No.19781

>>19777
>>19775
>>19778
Also when I saw that I rewound to check and the episode's writer credit is Aaron Ehasz.

 No.19782

>>19781
>>19778
>>19777
Speaking of Dragon Prince, someone did a scientific theory on the reason for this magic dirt https://archive.ph/hGtPX

 No.19783

>>19782
Doesn't the magic just come from living things? Dirt is full of microbes and fungus and all that stuff.

 No.19897

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I got to admit, that moment at the last episode that Ty Lee said, "The girls and I really bonded in prison." Always sounded weird as a kid and looking over the episode again if gives me lesbian/bisexual vibes. Given Korra this is quite possibly what is being hinted and feels like a well-done subtle indication of such inclinations, rather than hamfistedness.

Also I wondered if Ty Lee taught pressure point attacks to the Kyoshi warriors? Too bad LoK never mentioned them again.

 No.19899

>>19897
ew
I'm not interested in the ao3 shit fan-fics anon

 No.19901

>>19899
Oh relax your potatoes anon.

 No.19902

>>19901
Nah, then stop showing me shit

 No.19903

>>19902
Stop being a faggot first.

 No.19905

>>19903
you made the post int first place, so you were the first.

 No.19909

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 No.19910

>>19909
M8 you already have a whole 500+ post Korra porn thread in /siberia/

 No.19912

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 No.19916

>>19910
and it's more based then this garbage >>19897

 No.19918

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>>19916
>X porn is better than X smut
Amazing logic

>>19909
This is honestly a depiction of Korra that is top-tier, a total Bro tomboy that is both hot but you can also be relaxed and chill with. If only the show had sticked to this aesthetic.

Also Aeoleus has some good stylization.

 No.19927

>>19918
>Amazing logic
yes, because strong tomboy is better then bitch ass kid
LOK has better lewds

 No.19967

>>19927
>strong tomboy is better then bitch ass kid
??? You do realize Tomboy is not based on age but behavior, yes? TOPH is a tomboy.
>LOK has better lewds
I'd hope so given that the characters in the original series are 12-15 and not 17-19 young adults.
A Repetar: The series [LOK] sucked objectively, Korra is a bombshell though, and the series had some good ideas and potential that Bryke squandered on liberal idpol and overdone 1920s aesthetics.

also
>[email protected] like a coward

 No.19968

>>19916
that's not the point

 No.19970

>>19967
butthurt lel

>>19968
nah.
also why post a few minute from the other post

 No.19971

>>19970
>butthurt
No argument

>>19968
Don't bother, they're a s*gefag that spam threads with vaguely relevant posts but nothing concrete to say, and schizophrenic takes after you reply.

 No.19972

>>19971
>schizophrenic
>s*gefag that spam threads
Why are you rping with yourself, 4fag?

 No.19973

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>>19972
>RPing with yourself
>muh 4chan
>s*ging more
Thanks for confirming your illness, projector.

 No.19976

>>19909
Down bad
>>3722
>>2563

Great takes

 No.19978

>>19970
>why post a minute from the other post
Because I'm a different poster, retard

 No.19979

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Haters gonna hate

 No.19984

>>19973
Nah

>>19978
>I'm a different poster
You said it. Not me

>>19979
brown woman cute

 No.19985

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>>19984
>brown woman cute
thanks

 No.20431

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Toph, Transgenders and Tomboys
This is a post a long time coming but in many liberal circles, especially after KorrAsami's lazy canonicity, 'fans' of ATLA have tried to push the idea that "Toph is Transgender" admittedly it's not a large group but I'd like to address it nonetheless. As an example I've seen several users on the ATLA wiki say they think Toph is a Transgender character. There is even a debate thread that I read before deciding to make a position.
Example: User Hasdi Bravo has stated that he believes Toph in a live action film should favor in casting Male actor Issac Jin Solstein in the role of Toph, since Toph is a "Boy In A Girls Body"

Toph is by all metrics a Tomboy character, not trans. She's rough and ready and likes to do things that are traditionally masculine, like fighting, swearing, being rude n' sassy, adventuring and breaking the rules and other typical boyish things, this contrasts Aang perfectly (earth vs air) because he likes to be controlled, polite and unantagonistic, even if not constantly. Toph mocks this, calling him "twinkle-toes" and compares him to a girl. Yet there is no doubt that Aang is not feminine or female-identifying (he calls himself "a guy" for example). The same goes for Toph at the other end of the behavioral spectrum.
The aforementioned debate mentioned several key arguments I think deserve to be stated
1 - Toph NEVER expressed feelings of resentment towards her gender, or ever directly said she felt like a "Boy In A Girls Body" nor asked to be called by male pronouns
2 - She clearly expressed interest in the opposite sex on various occasions, her crush on Sokka for instance. or the fact that she HAD 2 DAUGHTERS!
3 - She clearly enjoyed participating in (stereotypical) girlish activities with Katara from time to time. The Day Spa short in Tales of Ba-Sing-Se is a perfect example.
4 - She outright stated in Book 3: "City of Walls and Secrets" that she deliberately acts against Female stereotypes because she hates being held to high expectations placed upon her as a member of the upper class. "I learned proper society behavior and chose to leave it. You never learned anything. And frankly, it's a little too late."
5 - ATLA, unlike Korra is intended as a Y7 Show and got made in the 2000s (yes it is that old). The issue is irrelevant given the restrictions placed upon Nickelodeon and Bryke by the rating and the fact that it simply isn't a massive issue.
6 - If Toph had been dysphoric she would actively masquerade as such while disguised or try and identify more with the males of the group. For instance, while fighting as the Blind Bandit, she made no attempt to disguise her gender to the other fighters. Instead she reveled in being a "little girl" that beat tough male fighters.

The main arguments for this trans-toph conception is
A) Toph originally got designed as a boy: her old character design was the Earthbender in the opening sequence - that old design be used for roku's earthbending teacher (Sud).
B) Toph got played by a muscular man in the Ember Island Play
The first one fails to hold because some cut or changed content is often done so for a good reason and even Azula had been intended to be a boy.
The second fails because, if it didn't seem obvious enough, the Ember Island Play parodied the series in an abridged manner and intentionally caricaturized them for the purpose of the Fire Nation Propaganda Narrative; Katara is not nearly that ridiculously sensitive, nor promiscuous; Aang is a boy and is not always happy and perky; Sokka makes jokes than other things besides meat; Iroh isn't a useless glutton who has nothing better to do with his time than stuff his face with cake, etc. Moreover historically plays (including Asian ones) often did have actors/actresses play opposing roles to get masculine or feminine characteristics across, something Toph is likely familiar with being raised in a higher class. It was probably a relief for her to not be portrayed as a scared little girl who just wants more (a tempting angle for the propaganda heavy production), and by a butt-kicking masculine actor who could probably better reflect her TOMBOY nature than any over the top actress the troupe had.

TL;DR: Toph is just a tomboy, and there is nothing wrong with that. Today's society takes an individual simply acting different from the norm and tries to excessively and ignorantly psychoanalyze it a la Freud and pigeonholes it into some half-assed diagnosis based on shaky concepts of liberal ideologues. Just because a girl acts like the traditional idea of a boy, or vise versa, they don't necessarily wish to be the other sex.

Also Tomboy thread >>>/anime/2654

 No.20432

>>20431
I appreciate this post. I'm glad that I've never run into these circles but there seems to be this weird thing with fans of Cartoons where they feel that the need the products they consume to be "progressive" and "representative" else they would have no other way to express their political opinions (or worse - they think would appear to be unprogressive). Some of them are really obsessive about this even. Zizek and coffee or something etc. etc.

 No.20608

>>13655
>Finally there is a saying; Pacifism is a coward patting themselves on the back.

That's not a saying. It's a line from DBZ Abridged.

>>14125
Except Luke doesn't refuse to kill. He kills all the time. He's part of an insurrectionist revolutionary movement that is killing people at that very moment and is trying to blow up the megaweapon he's standing on, killing however many thousands more.

Luke refuses to give in to his anger, which is the significant difference. He doesn't try to stop Vader when Vader decides to kill Palpatine because Palpatine has to die, but Palpy was trying to get Luke to fucking murder him and/or Vader for emotional, personal reasons.

IMO Aang deciding to just cripple Ozai instead of executing him represents Aang abandoning his responsibilities as Avatar rather than embracing them. He was fully prepared to let Ozai continue his genocidal war of aggression against the entire planet, which was only saved because a turtle randomly decided to give him an out that had never been suggested or even contemplated as a possibility before.

 No.20614

>>20431
Good post.

>anybody whos gender non-conforming is trans

This take is always mega retarded. This is legitimately invalidating to trans people's identities. It's looking at being trans as a performance instead of a reflection of something internal. The idea that trans people have to perform their identified gender literally comes from the old medical attitudes about making sure that someone really is trans. Cis people can be gender non-conforming and so can trans people. Nobody bats an eye if a cis woman wears jeans and a t shirt but if a trans woman does that she's dressing like a man or something. It's people who are trying to be woke but haven't made the barest attempt to understand the subject.

The only whisper of a hint that Toph could be trans or non-binary is that she likes her character being played by a man in the Ember Island play. But that's just as suggestive of her not caring about gender or gender roles. It's also clearly meant as a joke to contrast Aang's aangst about being played by a woman (which was a commentary by Bryke on their distaste for having boy characters voiced by women). If anything it makes the most sense to see Toph as a-gender or something. She doesn't give a shit about it except that she's consistently got some juvenile hetero feelings for Sokka and Zuko.

>1 - Toph NEVER expressed feelings of resentment towards her gender, or ever directly said she felt like a "Boy In A Girls Body" nor asked to be called by male pronouns

Moreover she resented that people underestimated her for being a little girl and enjoyed her opponents' embarrassment and emasculation when they lost to her.
>6 - If Toph had been dysphoric she would actively masquerade as such while disguised or try and identify more with the males of the group.
Also given that she's interpreted as a big buff guy in the play, it would make sense for her to disguise as a boy (and at her age it would be easy), and I don't think crossdressing would be that big of a sell to Nickelodeon considering Sokka crossdresses in like episode 3.

 No.20616

>>20608
>That's not a saying. It's a line from DBZ Abridged.
I've heard that before DBZA's first episode even came out - granted it's pretty obscure a phrase. Heck Team 4star probably recreated the phrase on their lonesome.

>>20614
>a commentary by Bryke on their distaste for having boy characters voiced by women
That's kinda funny given that some of the best VAs in cartoons voice boys passably or excellently. I didn't have any idea as a kid that Naruto's dub isn't a guy or that Tara Strong voiced characters like OG Ben Tennyson. As a beginner VA myself it's not easy.

>>20432
Glad to help. I'm just sick of this shit in animated media and needed to carefully formulate a post so people didn't erroneously cry "reactionary!"

 No.20660

>>20608
NTA but thought I'd chime in.
>Luke doesn't refuse to kill. He kills all the time
I'm more referring to him not striking Vader dead besides Aang probably killed people using his bending directly or indirectly
>He doesn't try to stop Vader when Vader decides to kill Palpatine because Palpatine has to die
And also cause he had been kind of unable to under recently removed Sith Lightning torture.
>Aang deciding to just cripple Ozai instead of executing him represents Aang abandoning his responsibilities as Avatar rather than embracing them.
Yeah that's true.

 No.21298

Just finished watching both shows over the last two months and I really loved them both. I don't really get the hate for The Legend of Korra though, it was a really fine show and I felt it was mostly on par with the original show though both had their strengths and weaknesses.

 No.21299

>>21298
Did you binge them one after the other? If you blast through the episodes you're going to miss the differences, since you're still riding the hype of the original, if you took it slow and had a break to digest the original and then see LoK you'd probably be more critically-minded and see the issues voiced in this thread (and the main reason people had a negative reaction to LoK. Obviously in comparison to other contemporary cartoons LoK is great, it's just that compared to ATLA it is much less well made and squandered its potential on idpol, liberalism and generic 1920s steampunk.

 No.21300

>>21298
>I don't really get the hate for The Legend of Korra though
It's that it's lower quality and after the IRL gap between shows people were hyped to see more of the same setting, expecting something just as good.

 No.21301

>>21299
I'm pretty tired right now so I can't do a proper rundown on my opinions regarding both shows and some of the criticisms I have read on here and other places but I must say that I went into TLOK expecting to hate and it honestly blew my expectations away. Also the finale is still fresh in my mind and I thought it was better than ATLA's finale although both felt a bit rushed.

>>21300
I guess, but it's been so long since it came out now and it's really weird how some people still treat it like it's the devil's spawn through some, imo, pretty flimsy critiques. Yeah the show had issues but some people seem to blow these issues to astronomic proportions.

 No.21302

>>21301
>I went into TLOK expecting to hate and it honestly blew my expectations away.
If you have a low bar set from the beginning, you'll obviously have a good time. Most of us had a high bar set due to the relatively brilliance of the original, so it had been a let down instead. If you enjoyed it, good, positive emotions are better than negative ones, I couldn't enjoy it, every time something good happened, something dumb undercut it and I just got sick of that personally.
>the finale is still fresh in my mind and I thought it was better than ATLA's finale
Agree to disagree I suppose.

NTA
>it's really weird how some people still treat it like it's the devil's spawn
It's a bitter counter reaction to the lesbian shippers that hyped the series up, screamed at critics during the runtime of the series and kind of made the fandom a mess in general. Also recent Zoommer culture has been about getting information and forming opinions based on exclusively video reviews and so many just split on dogma about Korra (in support of or against it) based on no personal experience of the show itself.
The show is objectively poor, but only in comparison to stories of high standard like ATLA. Compared to Steven Universe or Star: Fores of Evil or High Guardian Spice, it's bloody great.

 No.21312

>>21302
Oh, sorry that you had such a bad experience. I guess expectations really can be a fan's worst enemy, plus I read that the show's production was a complete mess and that it was on the verge of cancellation after every season, that's probably why it felt pretty rushed at times.

Also yes, fandoms are the worst and shipping culture is cringe.

 No.21314

>>21312
Eh, ATLA definitely blows LOK out of the water though, all LoK really had over the original series was better antagonists, and even then they were fucktarded representations of 19th-20th Century political ideologies anyway
ATLA had an infinitely better hero’s journey than LoK did, Aang was (imo) a much more likable protagonist than Korra who is largely a cunt throughout the series, the supporting cast in the original show also come off as having far more depth, charisma, and a better relationship to each other than the crew in Korra did (even defenses of Korra note that while Avatar was much more of an ensemble show, in Korra the supporting cast is much more pushed into the background). The dieselpunk shit kinda sucked imo, I didn’t mind it for even the first three seasons but then the giant death mecha was nonsense to me and Zaheer was by far the best antagonist in both series, I also hated how the avatar became an Avatar of the light side when originally it seemed like the idea was that the avatar was the human embodiment of the Earth itself, bridging the connection between human society and nature, and bridging all human societies to each other as well, honestly they actually made the avatar concept seem LESS spiritual than in the original series despite exploring the Spirit World so much more.

While LoK is better than dogshit like Steven fucking Universe it gets blown out of the water by its predecessor

Also NTA

 No.21315

>>21314
On the isssue of villains, I think the problem is that people are reading ideological subtext where it wasn't intended to be. I don't think the writers intended for them to be 1:1 representations of real world ideologies, they are intended to fit their universe and its unique conditions.

On the second point, I think it helped that the original show had 62 episodes as opposed to Korra's 52, almost a season's worth of character development more than Korra. Korra was a much more busy show with Korra having to fight a new supervillain every season so maybe they didn't have much time to develop the cast as much as they could've, but all things considered I think that the cast was still great and played well off each other even if their stories could've been a little more fleshed out. I also really liked Korra as a character, yes she started off kind of rude and selfish but she had her heart in the right place and by the end of book 2 I was really rooting for her, seeing the end of book 3 really broke my heart and solidified my love her so she's on par with Aang for me (Aang was not always the best person in the original show either so it evens the playing field a bit).

I especially liked the aesthetic of the show and I absolutely love when fictional works are not afraid to massively change the world instead of sticking to the status quo.

I have to agree that the villains were not all that good, but in comparison with ATLA's villains they at least tried to write more compelling characters. Zaheer and his crew were the best to me as well and I think he was closest to having the right idea out of all the others even if his execution of idea was completely retarded, he even seems to show some remorse and understanding later on when Korra meets him again in his prison. Amon in my opinion was the worst, people keep saying that he is a strawman of communism but I don't see it at all. He's the closest thing the avatar universe has to a fascist if you actually know the difference between communism and fascism, and even then his ideology doesn't map onto real world fascism 1:1.

I didn't really care for the particulars of the Avatar lore so much so that didn't really bother me, but I thought the story of Avatar Wan was really good and definitely one of the highlights of the show, especially amidst the chaos in the middle of book 2.

All in all I think the show did so much right and I think some people are being a little too unfair towards it, but I guess to each their own.

 No.21324

>>21312
Yeah basically tbh. I don't get hung up on it, I made my posts here and don't get that mad about it, just disappointed.

 No.21325

>>21315
Honestly I thought the story of Book 2 was pretty interesting before the Avatar Wan, Chosen One, light vs darkside narrative got in the way
Originally it was about the mounting political differences between the North and South Water Tribes and the meteoric economic rise of the Southern Water Tribe leading the Northern Tribe to attempt to reassert political control over their Southern counterpart

Then it became about western anime Satan vs western anime Jesus

 No.21328

>>21325
Yeah it was wack. Anything that might have actually been interesting just didn't happen. Varrick being villainous went nowhere too.

 No.21446

The Legend of Korra: Patterns in Time coming April 13th, 2022
An anthology of brand-new The Legend of Korra stories is coming on April 13th, 2022 from Dark Horse Comics. Here’s the official description:

“Your favorite characters from Team Avatar and beyond are here in this collection of stories, from the heartwarming to the hilarious. Join Korra, Asami, Mako, Bolin, Tenzin, and more familiar faces from The Legend of Korra, featured in stories specially crafted by a bevy of talented comics creators! Be sure to add these all-new stories to your Avatar Legends library”

https://avatarnews.co/post/668716647530545152/the-legend-of-korra-patterns-in-time-coming-april

 No.21448

>>21446
Oh boy, more poorly drawn idpol and liberal political messages, huzzah…

 No.21529

>>21448
They literally had a billionaire mogul make money off of war and praise it and he got out Scot free with no real consequences. Realistic in it's absurdity but the way the show played it off is that Varrick is the good guy lol.

 No.21536

>>21446
What exactly did they mean by this cover?

 No.21662

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based

 No.21700

>>21536
The duality of man.

Unironically though, based on only cover I can only extrapolate that they're going to give Asami some avatar/spirit abilities or some shit.

>>21662
>Azula x Korra
This is some DeviantArt tier shit.

 No.21706

>>21700
Actually they confirmed it's going to be a collection of short stories similar to The Lost Adventures and such, so this cover probably means nothing.

At least it will probably be better than the last two comics…


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