No.30678
>>30673Aegon as degenerate and decadent he is was reluctant to become king because he possessed enough self-criticism to know that he's not the best candidate to sit the Iron Throne and rule the Seven Kingdoms. Meanwhile, every single black Targayen fuck from Rhaenys over Rhaenyra to Daemon dreams about nothing else than being king or queen himself or herself just for the sake of it (also true for Daenerys, if it wasn't for Tyrion and Jon she would not have given a single fuck about the walkers, through all GoT seasons she only cared about the throne and her nukes).
>>30628>"Her Grace"höhöhö very nice, anarshit. You're a well-behaved underling of your reactionary girl boss mistress, aren't you
>30618Lolwut Venezia and Genova were republics with huge imperialist navies ruled by bourgeois capitalists. Hanse cities and free and free & imperial cities in the German realm had their own constitutions, had no obligations to feudal lords, only very miniscule obligations to the emperor and were ruled by councils which consisted of elected members of the most wealthy bourgeois capitalists of the city. There was no serfdom in the cities, in fact peasant serfs who had ran away from their landlords would be considered free if they managed to live 1 year in a city. They usually would become free craftsmen and other salaried workers there.
No.30679
>>30678I'm not an anarchist idiot
These flags are house flags of House Targaryens but of course a fake, green supporter who despite being so against the Targs still upholds their flags and mimics it on their dogshit flags
The flags of House Black are true, and mutual and equal partnership
It also looks modern af
>>30673Pathetic wishwashing off a degen who makes his own children fight and shaves down their teeth
His Grace, The King's Consort is an Army Man first, and doesn't care for cruelty but Justice
Which showed by the last ep how he offered a merciless death to those knights
Don't compare your jag-off to a military commander
There's a reason why they had to replace the City Cloak's because despite being gone for a long time, They respect and honour Daemon more than the fake usurper, a puppet's marce, Shillgon II
No.30685
>>30673>What do you think is worse, rape or murder?Unironically resolving to murder in order to get rid of someone you arent allowed to divorce and who you got basically shotgun wed to is, while still evil, incomparable to being a serial rapist.
>Also, it's barely Aegon who is in charge (not yet anyway) but Alicent and Otto, and they are not malicious"Not yet anyway" is doing a lot of work here. And Otto is no more morally restrained than Daemon when it comes to his desire for power. Also, Daemon wont be king either, he is a queen consort.
No.30687
>>30685Daemon also murdered that servant to stand in for Laenor.
No.30688
>>30679>Which showed by the last ep how he offered a merciless death to those knightsHis literal quote:
<you will die screaming At this point I don't know if you are just some soyfacing redditor or literally 13 or something, but this level of idiocy must be hurting your brain.
>>30680Have you read the book? I hope you do know what happens to Rhaenyra.
>>30685>while still evilI think ending someone's life after you lure them into a false feeling of safety is worse than rape. And every single legal system in the world agrees with me on that.
>Also, Daemon wont be king either, he is a queen consort.He tried to start a war as people could hear Rhaenyra screaming as she has a miscarriage.
Still no argument as to why Otto and Alicent won't be better for the realm instead of another insane Targaryen.
No.30689
>>30679>fake usurperAll of Rhaenyra's three oldest children who she proclaims as heir are bastards.
No.30692
>>30689and?
>>30688s33the, still more honorable than shillgon ii
>>30691is elden ring anyway connected to GoT
i can't believe he wrote a video game too
No.30704
>>30703He's a student of history and isn't a lot of GoT just a rewrite of real history with fantasy elements throne on top?
No.30705
>>30703GRRM is an old school nerd, today you would say "autist", when nerd culture began in the 70s. This means that every single action his characters take will be meticulously reviewed, and he sometimes burns entire chapters he deems to be unfit.
On the top side it means we are actually getting a coherent story. On the downside it means we have to wait years for a new book.
No.30706
>>30705we need more nerds
>>30704so in terms of varys, who would that be?
No.30708
>>30706Seems like popular opinion is Bagoas.
https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/b44iga/spoilers_published_varys_historical_inspiration/https://www.reddit.com/r/asoiaf/comments/vlmxh/is_varys_based_on_this_historical_figure/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2xhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BagoasBut I was more referring to the overall plot and setup being based on The War of The Roses and other things.
https://www.unomaha.edu/news/2016/06/a-game-of-thrones-a-war-of-roses.phphttps://theconversation.com/ambition-greed-and-death-the-roman-roots-of-game-of-thrones-119247>Although the universe of Game of Thrones is steeped in a medieval atmosphere, several of the central in the series – Daenerys Targaryen, Joffrey Baratheon and Jon Snow – seem directly inspired by characters from Roman antiquity.
>George R.R. Martin, author of the novels behind the hit HBO series, has affirmed that the history of the Roman Empire was one of his sources of inspiration. Indeed, it was the 117km wall that the Emperor Hadrian had built in the north of England in the years 120 AD that gave him the idea of the Wall.If I'm not mistaken he used to have this web 1.0 website that had a lot of good information about Roman history. I remember I came across it before I ever heard of Song of Ice and Fire or him because I was reading up on Roman war dogs.
No.30741
I liked seeing the dragon get chomped by the bigger, monitor lizard looking dragon
No.30743
>>30689It's not like Bobby B's heir. Rhaenyra is still their mother and her bastards get their claim from her. A monarch can legitimize their bastards if they want. The reason the War of Five Kings happened in GoT is because Joffrey isn't related to King Robert except very indirectly through the families being related. He has no blood from the king. It's a different scenario. It would be like if Bobby B had raised one of his bastards as a true born son.
No.30747
>>30741fuck you!!!
>>30708>take history>make everyhting bigger and more dramatic>millions???>>30740>The feet stuff being real made me laugh like neverwait what
No.30755
oh man, lil guy got chomped in one bite
No.30756
Honestly Rhaenera is a dumbass. Shouldn't have sent young boys to do high level negotiating.
No.30866
>>30756Should have sent both to the same place. A prince still commands respect. And even Aemond didn't really wanted to kill Luke. The scene was about the dragon being an unstable WMD, everyone hates Aemond now, I don't know why. At best you can accuse him of willful negligence.
Rhaenera is subpar to the top players of the game by a good amount. Her limited success comes from her strong willpower, her advisors and the sheer weight of her claim.
>>30858Partly, it's contrarianism, secondly it's the infatuation with realpolitik over romantic idealism.
But hey, the cast seems like really nice people. I like shows where I can't stand the actors, but this is luckily not the case here.
No.30867
>>30858 (me)
Also, there seems to be a good axis between the actors, the showrunners and GRRM. They all said they had great freedom in creating these characters, some dialog was improvised.
Also this is the only show I know where the female directors deliver the good episodes. Really shows you what kind of narcisisstic failsons D&D were.
No.30885
>>30866what are some shows where you hate the actors, spill the tea
No.34905
So a year later, what's the thread's opinion on this compared to GoT?
No.34912
>>30705>This means that every single action his characters take will be meticulously reviewed, and he sometimes burns entire chapters he deems to be unfit.Isn't this how books are edited? Do you not know what drafts are?
No.34915
>>34905Waiting on the 2nd and 3rd (WGA willing) seasons to form an opinion
No.36420
Some people actually feel like the blacks are the good guys? Rhaenyra and Daemon both killed their spouses. Rhaenys joining them doesn't really make sense to me when she knows they killed her son.
No.36421
>>36420Oh yeah and Rhaenys stomping all those random people of course.
No.36424
>>36422The book establishes it better that Joffrey being a bastard was an open secret and that the realm was already on the brink of war due to Robert being a shit king. Realistically the show had a lot of worldbuliding to cram in there on their budget for season 1 (and a lot of the first 2 episodes is recycled footage from the pilot).
>>34905It feels a little rushed out the gate to cope with GoT suddenly no longer being a cash cow. It will probably improve with time. They don't have to worry about running out of material and there's plenty of room for interpretation since the book is more like an outline.
>>34915The WGA/SAG strike doesn't affect production because it's done in the UK which doesn't recognize the strike.
No.36425
>>36424the writers are american
No.36426
>>36424>The book establishes it better that Joffrey being a bastard was an open secret Doesn't that make his investigation make even less sense? I guess I should read the books, but I kinda don't want to knowing the bastard will never finish them. I'm sure he's mentally fucked considering how much everyone hated the ending of the show. Supposedly it was based on his notes, but I wonder how it would've been if he wrote it.
I actually tried to read GoT a long time ago before I watched the show but I gave up because he wants to introduce 40 characters in the first chapter and I was like "ain't no way I'm remembering who these people are."
No.36454
>>34905It's pretty good. The writing is consistent (unlike GoT) and the only weakness was that the first season has is that it is basically a set-up for the war, that's why you got mostly court drama and King's Landing as the only location. But all the reasons for going to war are now logical and firmly established, there is barely a way how they can fuck this up now.
Watch GoT season 6-8 and compare the dialog with HotD. It's a lot of improvement.
No.36455
>>36426>Doesn't that make his investigation make even less sense?The whole point of the Ned investigation plot is that he's an honorable dumbass who was too idealistic to see what what right in front of everyone, then does an "emperor's new clothes" and precipitates the war of 5 kings. It's a deconstruction of honor as an ideal and how it conflicts with realpolitik. He wanted to do right by the realm but his principles led him to fucking things up (and getting himself and some of his own family killed).
No.36456
>>36455Interesting. So does the book make it seem like Robert knows and just doesn't care?
No.36459
>>36456Robert is too busy drinking and fucking and hunting into an early grave because he won the throne but lost the only thing he actually cared about (the woman he was simping for) and the hollow victory gave him terminal ennui. I feel like that part was pretty effectively conveyed in the show tbh.
No.36460
>>36459I mean what even was Ned's plan tho? Like what would've happened if he managed to tell Robert before he died?
>Hey Rob, you ever think about why your kids are all blonde bro… No.36461
>>36460>I mean what even was Ned's plan tho?"Do what's right." The whole point is that he is too concerned with following rules to think in terms of "what will the consequences be?" He totally trusts his ideals of honor, duty, etc to put him on the right path. He is too naive to anticipate that this just makes him easily predictable to people who are "unscrupulous." It's more than a little cartoonish, but the point of it is pretty overt. GRRM isn't too good at subtlety, that's why everyone and their dog figured out R+L=J already.
No.36485
why is it so fucking dark?
it's a fantasy show
you can have a little color, you know
No.36486
>>36485the last couple of seasons of got had this problem too apparently
No.36487
>>36485It's shot for HDR format TVs. On regular TVs it looks bad. Upgrade your home theater setup you fucking poormie.
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>>36486GoT was just trying to mask bad CGI, that's a really common way to do it. Realistic color grading isn't common in big-budget productions at the moment, which also helps disguise things and make them uniform since you pipe everything to the same color palette. There are cases where it can work but it's overdone and GoT was pretty infamous example. The climactic battle scene of the series take place at night and it's lit in a way where you often literally cannot see anything. It's comical, one of the biggest and key factions from episode one of the show gets "wiped out" (until next episode where the showrunners kinda forgot about that) and the way it's shown is picrel. You just see the flames from their weapons lit on fire charging toward the enemy and then going out.
No.36490
>>36487i watched it on an HDR smart TV in the dark
it still looked dull
No.36534
>>36487How the hell did you get emojis to function on this site?
No.36535
>>36534Emojis are just unicode symbols. You can copy and paste them from elsewhere if your browser doesn't have a feature to add emojis or something.
No.36536
>>36534leftypol.org encodes page in unicode
it's just a matter of browser or OS compatibility at that point
No.36537
>>36536>>36535I see, because I just get the blank squares when I try to post some for kicks in /siberia/
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