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Post general thoughts, comments and marxist or any analysis on the show.

Ep 1 and 2 is out, Ep 3 comes out today.

Never seen GoT and enjoying the show so far, decent political intrigue so far.
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 No.29317

>>29313
who is he
i hope he makes fun of daemon

i remember there was a funny GoT-esque parody internet animation that included a jester character

 No.29320

>>29317
Mushroom, one of two main sources about the events of the show. He is basically allowed to eavesdrop on all kinds of conversations because nobody thinks he's a threat, being a jester and a dwarf. His version of the story is the more scandalous of the two, full of claims about people fucking.

 No.29399

Timeskip episode today

 No.29401

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This is a hard asf BTS shot
I don't know if the rest of the season will deal with the same targareyans or even some other house

But I hope they Milly Alcock returns in some kind of flashback

 No.29402

"Joffery" that baby is gonna die this season

 No.29405

I want that creepy metal legged fuck dead
I just realized they were his family he did that to

 No.29406

How the fuck did this happen to my man Viserys, Alicent was just some commoner, Now she holds power over his grace?

 No.29407

>>29405
Yeah, he made himself Lord of Harrenhall with that trick.

>>29406
No, she's daughter of Otto Hightower. She's nobility. Viserys should have booted Otto much earlier. This is all because of his ambition pretty much. He finessed Alicent into being queen consort and planted the ideas of succession crisis in her head. The marriage offer would have quashed the potential succession issue if Alicent was reasonable (or if Viserys had a spine since he could go over her head about it), but being used as a political tool tends to fuck people up. So Otto was the saboteur but the buck stops with Viserys for letting things get to that point.

 No.29408

>>29407
Fuck he really did that, They didn't show much of his relations with them, whether they treated him badly

It was so cold-blooded, seeing that hand pop out, Fuck

Tearing out the tongues on top of that, He's the evilest fucker in westeroes rn

>but being used as a political tool tends to fuck people up


Do you think the rat is making him realize how bad things are now?

I really thought Harwin was gonna live long with the way, people were talking about him
He was so handsome

 No.29410

>>29408
>He's the evilest fucker in westeroes rn
Pretty much.
>He was so handsome
Harwin looks like gigachad IRL, but he was too hotheaded and shouldn't have gotten the princess pregnant THREE times lol.
>Do you think the rat is making him realize how bad things are now?
Doesn't matter cuz Viserys has no spine. He would just keep ignoring it.
The rat is probably going to be important given how much they are showing it. Won't say why but there are theories.

 No.29477

lol the kid playing young Aemond posted this on his instagram and his mom made him delete it

 No.29478

>>29477
I feel bad for child actors

 No.29480

I watched some recaps vids and now it's feels very motivated that they ended both rahneyra's and daemon's lovers in the same episode, with the same fate fire
It's sad, but it's like they're planning to bring that "OTP" again
Also anything think it's kinda fucked that Layena just upped and dipped? Anyone women in that time would in that situation, but it was a little hilarious
Like if I was there, I would like just threaten the suicide by Vaghara until he promised he wouldn't go ahead with the caseran

I honestly felt like Daemon wasn't going to follow his brother, He doesn't seem to care about having heirs\
The dragon was so sad and old :(

>>29410
>shouldn't have gotten the princess pregnant THREE times lol

Those punches at the wedding to rescue her, Really sealed the deal for her lol

>but there are theories

There's a small footnote in westorosi history where the rat and visery's team up and he ratallouie's the iron throne with him providing him the spine to fight back

>>29477
Why did his mom make him delete it

 No.29484

They totally stole that scene with Aegon jerking off in the window from The Boys.

New actors are good. I love the new Alicent, she nails it. Kid actors are fitting as well.

They need to stop with the birth porn, it's getting repetitive. Yes, we know, giving birth is hard especially with no modern medicine.

I still get the feeling they deliberately want to appeal to an "anti-woke" crowd as they don't follow most conventions I've seen in shows the last years; and they are doing a good job. It's a show about powerful women struggling with their role in a patriarchal society but never once it feels patronising or forced. Fucking Ben Shapiro reacts to it on his show and likes it. Although I will admit, killing off the gays and the black women, and making the cripple depraved and evil, is an old TV trope I could live without.

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>>29484
>They totally stole that scene with Aegon jerking off in the window from The Boys

More like Succession, Aegon is so much like Roman
A brat, in line of a big empire, doesn't care much, only does for the ego
Then again, all three are a bit same

But I'm pretty sure Shitlander did that after getting his ass beat or something

These two only did it for the thrill of feeling better than commoners

> the cripple depraved and evil, is an old TV trope I could live without

Very true, I was trying to insult his ass but I kept coming up with something ableist

I finally decided on insulting him based on his shoe choice

 No.29492

>>29480
>Why did his mom make him delete it
because he posted cringe

>>29480
>There's a small footnote in westorosi history where the rat and visery's team up and he ratallouie's the iron throne with him providing him the spine to fight back
lol but the actual theory (potential major spoilers) is that Larys Strong is a greenseer/warg like Bran Stark and is spying on people with rats and possibly with the weirwood trees.

>>29484
>They totally stole that scene with Aegon jerking off in the window from The Boys.
100% lol. It also appears to be the same window (or at least the same set) where King Tommen commits suicide late in GoT.
>New actors are good.
Yep, across the board. I was surprised how much I liked Laenor and his version of the character.

>I still get the feeling they deliberately want to appeal to an "anti-woke" crowd as they don't follow most conventions I've seen in shows the last years; and they are doing a good job.

I get this feeling too but I would say they are way overshooting the mark.

They did Laena really dirty by not even referencing how she got Vhagar, just the fact that she had to earn her. They even teased it when Laena was introduced (as a child that Viserys was not keen to marry), talking about Vhagar being missing and Laena's fascination with dragons. But they don't even discuss how Laena went on a whole quest to find her. And then in the same episode we first see Laena as an adult she dies. My one big gripe about the show so far is how hard a lot of the female characters have been getting jobbed. They also did Rhea extremely dirty, dying in the same scene she's introduced. These are characters who actually do shit in the book but they basically only appear in the show to get bridges dropped on them. With Aemma in the first episode it's one thing (especially since it's a major point of transition to kick off the series) and helps establish some of the themes, but it's starting to get tiresome IMO considering the book treats these characters better than "women exist to be fridged." It's largely a consequence of the show moving so fast and that character deaths like these are a major recurring plot point and therefore something you really can't skip. I think this season is really just trying to establish the broad family dynamics so that the rest of the series can flesh out the coming war.

 No.29497

What is up with all those bad reviews here?

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/tv/house_of_the_dragon/s01/reviews?type=user

Are those paid Amazon shills from Rings of Power or are people just this dumb that they can't follow the plot? The one good thing about HotD is that you have to pay attention and not have cheap exposition like in the first GoT episode where they literally introduce every character by Arya pointing at them. And I didn't even read the book and walked in blind, and could follow just fine.

Also, people don't appreciate a slow burn these days. Even though GoT also wasn't that fast-paced.

 No.29498

>>29497 (me)
Imagine being this bitter that you won't even give one star because something isn't up your alley.

There is even the occasional retard that complains about wokeness, even though this is like the most anti-woke show in years. When will those people be satisfied, when it's literally like Conan the Barbarian?

 No.29500

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>>29497
Filtered:
>There is no protagonist or antagonist so you can't root for anyone and eventually you don't really care what happens to the characters.
>It has none of the assets that made game of thrones compelling and a must watch.
>My main issue with this is they have given me no character to care about. None of them is sympathetic or amusing or witty or any of the many hooks that draw me into a series.
>No one really wants anything so who cares what happens?
>Clearly they are milking it and drawing the show out.
>My honest opinion is that while I was invested and did like the show I cannot support a show that hates me for my political beliefs.
>Apart of from the characters having the same names as the first series, the narratives have changed completely, without any completion or explanation of what is actually happening.
>Soap-opera.
>Succession, where Gulfstreams are replaced with dragons and castles substitute for office towers. Sadly, without the snappy dialogue, acting, or plot. It's inconceivable that this is the "better" of the two series HBO commissioned.
>Sitting around tables, talking about weddings and heirs. Boring and slow. What the hell happened?

Decent points:
>Second-rate characters die so quickly that there is no sympathy for them. Do we have to be sad about the death of someone who has seen 3 times in all time, and who has two lines of text?
>but show is rushed with the constant extreme time jobs every two episodes
>Too much replacement of actors to which they are already accustomed.
>From the constant time skips without informing audience, to unexplained cliffhangers or character reasoning lost in time just skipping ahead, to overall cast swaps

 No.29501

>>29500
>>There is no protagonist or antagonist so you can't root for anyone and eventually you don't really care what happens to the characters.
I've seen some reactions where people love the girl boss Raenyra acting like it's black and white and she could do no wrong and when Alicent is doing her queen mothering business they got triggered. Raenyra is at best equivalent to an incompetent asshole king that was Rob that made tons of bastards without a thought to the Realm. The best character in GoT: The Spider (in my opinion) would most likely side with Alicent as a person more fitting for the Realm as a whole. Obviously Alicent isn't perfect which is what makes ASOIAF a great series, but when it comes to the big picture she's better for the Realm. Raenyra just squanders everything the way Robert Baratheon squanders everything with his negligence.

 No.29502

>>29498
>Most anti-woke show in years
This literally means absolutely nothing. There is no such thing as "woke" or "not woke" that shit is autistic conspiracy brained garbage. These days "woke" only means black actors or women who do more than just be submissive cardboard things. I mean even back in 1977 Star Wars was called "too white" and we got Lando in Empire. And then n fuckin 1983 we got a much more diverse cast for Return of the Jedi even though they were relegated to just pilots in scenes. Would you actually call those movies fuckin woke? No dude like I said, there is no such thing as wokeness in movies or tv series or anything. In fact do you want to actually know what's one of the most woke movies out there? Snowpiercer bitch but no one goes out of their way to call it woke because no one points out the racial make up of the cast but the class criticism.

 No.29508

>>29492
>They even teased it when Laena was introduced
Very true, I didn't even realise there was going to be a pay-off

It was very cool lore building but they fumbled without telling us how she completed her quest

Why are they moving the show so fast, I'm confused

I thought each season is going to be about each house, if it's just going to be war the next seasons, they should slowly tend to it

>>29501
I don't understand how Alicent is better for the realm, They've shown nothing

 No.29512

They created so many props for this show man, I'm watching the EP6 making of and they half maked the books in the library lol

But anyone else think it's kinda fucked they mess with these real life old castles and change them?

Granted pigeons were living in them before but still

>>29502
Snowpiercer is one of the most woke? I mean it did focus on class, but I don't think that much

Can you expand further?

 No.29513

>>29508
>Why are they moving the show so fast, I'm confused

1st season will be the lead-up to the Dance, and the actual war will be the next seasons. They probably didn't like the idea of multiple seasons of buildup for various reasons including being accused of being too slow and not having enough material to fill 2 seasons instead of 1.

>>29501
Yeah the whole idea is that nobody is particularly good. People are confused about this because the TV interpretation of House Stark made them come across as at worst a very light shade of grey. Even Arya who becomes a murderous assassin is portrayed as yass queen instead of how the books makes her story about a child losing innocence, being traumatized, and recruited as a child soldier. The show really passed a lot of things through a "hollywood filter."
>The best character in GoT: The Spider (in my opinion) would most likely side with Alicent as a person more fitting for the Realm as a whole.
He probably would, because her son could be plied with lewd paintings into doing whatever Varys told him. Similarly to how Margery usurped Cersei's influence over Tommen.

BTW people are mad at Alicent not because of qualifications (which the show doesn't seem to care about that much at this point), but because in the last episode she needlessly inflamed the conflict. Nobody else in King's Landing gives a fuck about MUH RULES except sir krispy kreme. Rhaenyra was not coming for her kids, and definitely would have done the marriage to avert the conflict (which btw doesn't just endanger the nobles - wars of succession kill loads of commoners). Insofar as Alicent is willing to stoke a war over paranoia, she is worse than Rhaenyra. And the fact that she bumbled her way into enabling Larys to do a mass murder by arson makes her seem incompetent in a dangerous way.

>>29512
>They created so many props for this show man, I'm watching the EP6 making of and they half maked the books in the library lol
Yeah, the production value can never be faulted in these shows any more. We're a far cry from GoT season 1 where the "royal hunt" was 4 guys walking through the woods.
>But anyone else think it's kinda fucked they mess with these real life old castles and change them?
IDK enough about it to have a firm opinion but old castles are commercialized in a lot of ways that are probably more damaging than this. At least when they are being exploited for money there is incentive to try to maintain them somewhat rather than letting them crumble.
Should be noted that most castles do not exist any more because they were usually built form wood and have long ago rotted away. Stone castles (and buildings in general) were always the minority but are vastly overrepresented in the archaeological record.

 No.29514

>>29502
>No dude like I said, there is no such thing as wokeness in movies or tv series or anything
That's simply not true.

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>>29502
?
Are you really denying the use of ostensible social progressivism as a marketing tactic? Are you new here?

 No.29517

>>29515
Marketing and what tabloids say about a film with a diverse cast are two different things. Annihilation was an all woman cast and never marketed as progressive despite the fact that it could've been easily marketed as such. Like I said, wokeness is a non existent spook.

 No.29528

>>29513
Was there a distinction between in nobility in stone castles and wood castles?

Also in the episode they talked about architecture of westeros, italian renaissance and middle eastern type build

is that how really how it is

 No.29537

The show is much worse than GOT but at least it's 10x better than Lord of the Shit

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>>29517
>Marketing and what tabloids say about a film with a diverse cast are two different things.
They all exist in an ecosystem and have de fact become extensions of marketing departments. This includes randos posting their theories and hot takes on youtube or tiktok or twitter. All of social media functions as a marketing project, not just the actual ads they show. They're free to use because you are the product, having your tastes and consumer behavior be "influenced" by the content.
>Annihilation was an all woman cast and never marketed as progressive despite the fact that it could've been easily marketed as such.
And that highlights that it's just a marketing tactic. It's not small arthouse movies like Annihilation that studios want to push. They aren't going to invest a lot of marketing into a film that cost about 50 million dollars when they have projects that cost 300+ million dollars that need to make that back. The whole point of the critique of wokeness-as-marketing is precisely that it is cynical and uninterested in actual social progress or indeed proper examples of what it purports to promote, like Annihilation.

>>29528
>Was there a distinction between in nobility in stone castles and wood castles?
Yeah, it's a lot more expensive to quarry stone and to do masonry than to fell trees and do carpentry. IDK enough about the history to assert this as fact, but I imagine the gradual deforestation of Europe around the period also contributed to a scarcity of timber at times that encouraged building things out of stone. And of course there's the question of permanency and flammability. It was also pretty common for castles to have a permanent stone structure but add wooden extensions in anticipation of a siege or something. Picrelated.
from here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hoarding_(castle)

Another factor to consider is rot, and it was a fairly common tactic for even commoner buildings to have stone walls on the ground and upper walls made of wood, because that kept a lot of the moisture away from the wood.

>Also in the episode they talked about architecture of westeros, italian renaissance and middle eastern type build

Not an architecture guy but they have had a number of influences, and Renaissance Italy is probably the most obvious. IDK how appropriate it is for the setting considering the historical background of the renaissance and the relative intellectual backwardness of Westeros.

>>29537
GoT exists on a huge spectrum from good to bad, which actually makes it a handy scale for rating another show. I'd give HotD about a Season 5 on the GoT scale.

 No.29543

>>29540
> relative intellectual backwardness of Westeros
Is westeros really backward in INT points?
who's the smartest bloke that ever existed there

 No.29545

>>29543
The Renaissance was a revival of "lost knowledge" of classical antiquity, particularly Greece and Rome. Westeros is in the world's equivalent of the medieval dark age between the fall of the Roman Empire (Doom of Valyria and the end of the Age of Heroes before that) and the Renaissance or Enlightenment (hasn't happened in the show's universe). The loss of both STEM types of knowledge and magic is a central theme of the series. So it's a little weird to take inspiration from golden age periods IRL where this was overcome. There's plenty of aesthetics to take from the "high middle ages" too, but people tend to think that it's all drab and covered in shit because that's how it's often been portrayed. GRRM wrote the original books inspired by historical events like the Hundred Years' War and the War of the Roses, for comparison on historical context.

>who's the smartest bloke that ever existed there

IDK about raw intellect but Bran the Builder probably had access to the most advanced technology and magic considering all the things he created that nobody can even imagine how to build anymore like The Wall.

 No.29643

WTF OTTO HIGHTOWER IS BACK

 No.29644

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 No.29646

>>29644
they look like long lost brothers
PUNISHED OTTO ARC

 No.29650

The first aegon was a conqueror
The second aegon is conquered daily

oh my god, dude just keeps getting slapped, all he wants to do is jack off, drink and pull pranks

 No.29651

Alicent deserves to be put into jail
Pearl clutching cunt

 No.29653

So did she know? Or did the gays pull a smart move without either side knowing? Kinda fucked up tho, to pull that stunt without their parents knowing but I get it

If Rahynera wants to really break and reinvent the throne, She should just take two husbands,
Aegon didn't give a fuck?


What usually happens to progressive characters in GoTverse that try to be trailblazers?
What's the most visery's would've done, alicent literally stabbed her first child and he still let her be

I really feel like the show's not trying to make us hate Raheynra or that she can do no wrong, Dunno if they're overcorrecting for Daenyrs or setting up for the same girlboss -> madqueen arc

 No.29655

One of my cousins is being admitted to eye surgery because he got into a fight with his friends
Insane coincidence

 No.29665

>>29651
Alicent is waging a national liberation struggle and goes to town with those foreign dragon freaks. She is on your side.

>>29537
>The show is much worse than GOT but at least it's 10x better than Lord of the Shit
I've rewatched the first few episodes of GoT and it isn't. The directing is much sharper, the acting is much more smitten. GoT looks aged compared to HotD.

 No.29666

>>29653
>If Rahynera wants to really break and reinvent the throne, She should just take two husbands,
>Aegon didn't give a fuck?
Daemon made the same argument at the beginning of the season, and the two of them look bad anyway for marrying directly after their previous spouses died ("died").
>What's the most visery's would've done, alicent literally stabbed her first child and he still let her be
Viserys is a huge pussy lol.
>What usually happens to progressive characters in GoTverse that try to be trailblazers?
If they commit hard enough they can succeed. Aegon the conqueror succeeded in (mostly) uniting the continent.

 No.29669

>>29665
I like the GoT plot, characters and cast better, in HotD all characters are so far only lawful evil, chaotic evil, true neutral or chaotic neutral and the plot seems all over the place to me. HotD looks absolutely fantastic though, it's very well written and the actors are good.

 No.29671

>>29669
>HotD looks absolutely fantastic though
The day for night scenes in the most recent episode looked awful but that might be from watching on a non-HDR screen. A lot of the show has been too dark to see for me.

 No.29675

>>29671
I loved those majestic night sea scenes. Really beautiful.

>the show has been too dark

The inside scenes are indeed dark, however this is how it really looks inside a castle that is only lit with fire. They capture this mood quite realistically and it does look good, in my opinion.

 No.29678

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>>29669
>D&D alignment chart

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 No.29686

It's official, I'm definitely team Alicent. Also Viserys is so wack, and so weak. Daemon was right, at first I thought Viserys was just a decent guy but that's not it, he's just straight up sticking his head in the sand over and over again.

 No.29688

>>29686
>Not wanting the peasantry or the guilds to enter the palaces and put their heads in pikes
NGMI

 No.29689

>>29653
That's also pissing me off that the show is unironically trying to put Alicent in a negative light compared to Rhaenyra. It's the most GoT dumb and dumber part of the script that reminds me of the absolute shit that was the last seasons of GoT. They film the Uncle and Niece sex scene in a sensual way which is cringy as a motherfucker instead of what it is, creepy ass incest. Maybe some anons in this thread were right that they are still trying to girl boss Rhaenyra. I love everything with Alicent because in this world her righteous anger IS justified. Rhaenyra is a privileged little shit from a royal line going back a hundred years. While yes Alicent also comes from privilege, she's a native to Westiros and she's part of a noble house yes, but certainly not as privileged.

I was happy what they were doing at the end there till we find out that she did fake Laenors death which gives Rhaenyra the *girl boss" pass.

 No.29690

>>29688
I mean I would be all for peasant revolution but there is no peasant faction in the series to latch on to. If there was I'd be all horny for watching the whole lot of them Rhaenyra, Alicent, Valeryon all get their "noble" heads in pikes.


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