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>Warhammer was and still is a game made largely by a bunch of lefties.
Liberals are not leftists. The original creators may have been leftist, but the company? No. Rick Priestley literally left the company before 2010 because of how it started to focus on making money and marketing rather than making a good game.
>Posting a 4chan collage-pic of an Eceleb liberal
Can you not? Go back.
This change is just performative white-washing. The lore literally says there are no female Custodes and explains WHY, so retroactively changing this is retarded tokenistic pandering, especially since, in doing so, you lose the entire Roman-fascist satire that The Imperium is about as >>41704 mentions, OR what we get are literal savage gay fascists. Good job!

Also Games Workshop has made a lot of retarded changes to WH40K lore over the years and it's almost never been liked by anyone, even when it had nothing to do with gays and women, the ONLY reason it's getting any attention now, is BECAUSE of the idpol involved. Not every game or movie or whatever needs to be inclusive, this is a bourg marketing way of thinking. There is media that is primarily aimed towards specific interests of girls or boys, men and women, gays and straights. You don't expect a man to go to chick-flick and demand more action-hero men to be involved, or for someone to play a gay VN and demand there be a straight option.
>giving third place to a model of an Ork trukk (the Orks being a species of stupid and violent savages who are basically the setting's comic reliefs) flying the Confederate flag was an endorsement of Confederate ideology.
<complaining about Orks on /leftypol/
This is JUNGLE GANG territory, newfag.

>>41705
>You don't expect a man to go to chick-flick and demand more action-hero men to be involved, or for someone to play a gay VN and demand there be a straight option
companies would probably make more money if they did this though

>>41706
LOL no, they wouldn't, not in the long-run. There could be a few niche releases with such 'expectation-subverting' content, but if you start applying it to the whole genre it loses cohesion and interest. You see this pretty obviously with Star Wars, people weren't uninterested in female MC's but when every new story is wanking women off and poorly written, people lose interest, which is why Rise of Skywalker made poorer figures than Last Jedi and why subsequent Star Wars TV-shows have been hemorrhaging money.

Just as an aside, an example of what I mean by Games Workshop fucking up the lore is what they did with the Necrons in the 5th Edition. The old Necron lore was pretty good, tortured souls serving eldritch gods who took advantage of their suffering, cursed to fight forever or until destruction while trapped in unfeeling metallic bodies. Turning it into discount Space-Egypt Mummies that USE god-fractions for battle, even thought it undermines the C'tan being arrogant bastards that got most of themselves killed because of it.

Like I haven't really indulged in WH40K like others do, I was more in it for the stories and whatever rather than the literal table-top aspect, but I've lost interest because of the changes. Sure, not all the changes were awful, but most were.

>>41707
this makes me realize no one suggests adding male sisters of battle

>>41709
There you go.

>>41709
no one wants more moids but every trve male wants space marine amazons.

>>41709
people do that usually when female space marines are mentioned.

>femboy sisters of battle
yes please

>>41709
Now I want to see that just to witness the trainwreck that would be GW way of handling it.

>>41705
1) The chinlets first started getting mad at GW because they released a statement saying that fascism was bad and the Imperium is supposed to be villainous.

2) Custodes aren't space marines. They're not even related to them, they're an entirely different thing. There has never been any lore that contradicts the possibility of female Custodes because the Custodes are created by mysterious and highly secretive achaeotech from the Dark Age of Technology and *don't* use the emperor's geneseed.

3) Le jungle meme wasn't about Warhammer orcs, but LotR orcs, due to bad early Eastern European translations of Lord of the Rings actively attempting to turn the novel into a Cold War allegory.

>>41725
>chinlets first started getting mad at GW because they released a statement saying that fascism was bad and the Imperium is supposed to be villainous.
<implying that everyone that liked or played as the Imperium is a chinlet and not just someone roleplaying a tabletop game.
<implying people only got mad at GW for changes to the Imperium
They said fascism is bad, but they didn't just say "it was villainous" because that's redundant; EVERY side of WH40K is villainous in some regard, there is not a single faction of actual good guys because every race or faction is some sort of fucked up,. That's the ENTIRE point, it's ALWAYS been the point. Also /pol/ literally did not care, they embraced the "bad guy" narrative because it's the narrative they get anyway, so it changed very little for them.

People have been getting mad at GW for a long time and for many more reasons than "muh Imperium", I later give the specific example of the Necrons, and that change being wildly unpopular, along with other changes in the 5th Edition that had nothing to do with inclusivity or political 'goodness' of the Imperium.

>Le jungle meme wasn't about Warhammer orcs
Actually yes it is, idiot. Also it's ORK's if you're going to be playing at semantics.
>LotR orcs, due to bad early Eastern European translations of Lord of the Rings actively attempting to turn the novel into a Cold War allegory.
That's not why at all, and you're wrong about the translations too, muddling The Last Ringbearer and actual translations. The Jungle Gang meme comes from Josep Borrell's statement about "Europe is a Garden" and that the (evil) third/second world countries are the untamed jungle savages trying to invade it. The orc part of it comes from memes about liberals claiming LOTR orcs are black people (which is retarded, see the LOTR thread) and an earlier /pol/ post on 8ch/leftypol/ about how the Alt-Right sees its fight with communists and 'subhumans' as "humans vs orcs" which wasn't LOTR specific and actually has massive WH40K influence, there's LITERALLY a screencap of that post on the booru and in the fantasy thread.

>Custodes aren't space marines.
Where did I say that? Are you just copy-pasting this from reddit?
>There has never been any lore that contradicts the possibility of female Custodes
Yes there is; Custodes are the SONS of those deemed traitors to the human race by The Emperor. They received their position as a form of repentance for the sins of their families, a practice similar to some Ancient monarchist societies about taking the sons of enemies and making them servant-warriors, sometimes being castrated (the Custodes are incapable of reproduction if I remember correctly). The Silent Sisterhood is the female counterpart to the Emperor's other, male-centric hyper-elites.

Furthermore the Custodes, Thunder Warrior, Astartes and Primarch projects are linked to one another and none ever came up with female subjects because the entire point was to create super-soldiers of extreme power, and in the case of the Custodes a basically an asexual comrade-guard to the Emperor. A male body is biologically more powerful than a female's in the physical sense, making a female Custodes pointless, not to mention the fact that the process to create the Custodes or any enhanced project is so physically taxing that only a small percentile of the human population is physically eligible as a CANDIDATE. It's why the Sisters of Battle aren't about overwhelming physical strength relative to the male-centric groups (they're still strong, but they won't be beating a Space Marine in an arm-wrestling contest). Further-more as you literally confirm my words, the Imperium is fascistic; do you see a lot of openly fascist governments pushing for gender equality in their military forces? The Nazis were almost prohibitive, with what few female troops they had being extreme exceptions that confirm the rule of a male-only military. Do you understand why its contradictive as hell to both claim that "it's a parody of fascism" and then simultaneously pander to gender-equality that contradicts said fascistic narrative? As I said it's literally promoting a Gay/Female Nazis narrative, so if that's a good thing to you, then you do you.

Edit: Did some extra research to be sure
>The Emperor's Decree from Old Night during the Age of Strife: "These men are my bodyguards, their lives forfeit to the guarantee of my physical safety. Of their loyalty to me there shall be no question nor doubt. I, and I alone, shall have the authority to stand in judgement over them. No other commander shall they have in battle nor in service. None shall bar them from me and none shall hamper or stall their mission. So it is decreed!"

Finally, with the exception of the matriarchal command structure of Genos Regiments and Sisters of Silence, the Emperor had a strong male bias in his elite, top-tier fighting forces, as befitting a FASCIST EMPIRE.

>>41731
>genetic engineering so advanced it can create demigods but it can't bridge differences in muscle mass between men and women
retard

>>41731
>Custodes are the SONS of those deemed traitors to the human race by The Emperor.
Pretty sure this have been retconned a couple of times already

>>41817
to be fair , the entire setting is retarded.

>>41817
>retard
>it can't bridge differences in muscle mass between men and women
Why waste the time and resources for the extra step required to do this when it's easier to just take male candidates? It's a fascist regime, not a daycare center, retard.

>>41818
>Pretty sure this have been retconned a couple of times already
The Emperor's Decree I posted is actually on the wiki article for them. I don't think this has been retconned before. Then again I haven't played WH40K since the 5th edition and haven't been following for quite a few years either, so it's possible. Still stupid and still a retcon and directly contradicts the statements that "there's nothing in the lore saying there can't be a female Custodes".

>>41819
>Why waste the time and resources for the extra step required
No one knows what the steps actually are, because Custodes are made through highly secretive archaeotech.

What we do know is that, unlike space marines, the process of creating one of the Custodes actually starts in late infancy rather than late puberty, when the difference in muscle mass between males and females would be negligible.

>>41819
>Why waste the time and resources for the extra step required
Something the imperium famously never does! You might as well argue against the gold armor or get offended by female members of the imperial guard.

>>41831
>>41832
My point is that a highly patriarchal empire isn't going to go for females because they won't see the point of it and again the point stands, the lore on it is that they are the SONS of traitors and are called MEN by the Emperor so the claim that there were always women in their ranks or the claim that the lore does not contradict there being women in the Custodes ranks is untrue and IS a retcon. The company CAN retcon it, but they cannot legitimately claim that it "isn't actually a retcon" as they and their defenders have attempted to. Furthermore, it's a tabletop game, literally nothing is stopping people from playing it how they like, including making a female Custodes and ignoring the lore (as people have been doing for Space-Marines and others for years anyway, it's been done before. The company knows this so the only reason they're making this a public retcon announcement is for liberal clout and Edrama, successfully so.

>>41705
>The lore literally says there are no female Custodes and explains WHY, so retroactively changing this is retarded tokenistic pandering
>The lore literally says there are no female Custodes and explains WHY, so retroactively changing this is retarded tokenistic pandering
I think people want female space marines because they're noobs so accusing them of tokenistic pandering is just jumping to conclusions but you're otherwise correct. I also used to think it would be cool to see female space marines (I like Samus Aran) but now I know the lore and the fact that Sisters of Battle exist.
>in doing so, you lose the entire Roman-fascist satire that The Imperium is about as >>41704 mentions
I thought it meant to be an ironic twist on the progressive Enlightenment values that shows how they themselves can become conservative. Stirner pointed out the hypocrisy of liberal humanism and pious atheism a long time ago, 40k is just a more blatant attempt at that. So I think the Imperium is meant to be a kind of progressive fascism, the kind of fascism Marinetti originally envisioned, and 40k shows how much it would still suck ass.

So yeah, I think the Imperium is meant to be progressive. But progressive in a regressive way, the kind of progressivism we mock nowadays. Not the same as idpol tho, more like Enlightenment values driven to their logical conclusion of human supremacy and a religious devotion to the state and the God of Atheism (personified in-universe as the God-Emperor as a form of twisted irony).

>>41703
ones of the problems with making fun off rightoids is you can say the dumbest shit you can possibly think of and they'll unironically be like "literally me bro". I could deadass make a joke abt rightoids not showering but they alr go on rants about the fucking showerjew.

>>45013
>I also used to think it would be cool to see female space marines (I like Samus Aran) but now I know the lore and the fact that Sisters of Battle exist.
On the other hand, trans space marines can still be a thing. Like, space marines were already turned into these giant throbbling pieces of meat so they already had surgery on their bodies technically, it only makes sense to go even further and just transition.

>>46521
AI slop

>>3335
Yea theres kind of a nice (seems to me very deliberately) meta-textual irony in the 40K lore where Chaos, this big evil Other that is supposed to be the justification for mankind being this militaristic fascist hellhole, is actually the product of this millitaristic fascist hellhole itself. The empire of man is literally shadowboxing its own repressed subconscious manifesting in the warp. Kind of a parody of how fascism tends to scapegoat its own internal contradictions on outside forces. Something the chud warhammer fans generally dont seem to pick up on.

>>46943
not even the cool queers like pic related btw

>>46943
I am actually very fine with GW omitting sexual violence.

>>46948
Warhammer fantasy is a whacky Tolkien setting. What "horror" are you even talking about, the whole appeal is its unabashed silliness. If anything Warhammer (40K especially) is being ruined by people taking it like this is supposed to be serious.
On the topic of sexual violence, there is a a vast gap between sanitisation and gratuitousness. You can imply things without being explicit.

>>46967
>You can imply things without being explicit.
its fiction brutha, execution is more important than your moral qualms or your false dichotomy of explicit/implicit

>>46969
uygha this is not a moral argument, I dont want rape in my whacky fantasy because that makes it less fun.

>>46970
lmfao 40k is literally what gave rise to the word "grimdark". ofc players can be weird about it but idk why you expect shitty things to not happen in a setting where there is only war

>>46967
>play wargame
>squeemish about rape
Okay guy

>>46943
>What do Slannesh do when they take over a city?
Consensual non-binary sexo?

>>46948
>What do Slannesh do when they take over a city? They literally rape every man woman and child and baby to death.
Do you really want to see a conservative's idea of transgender people raping walking husks of sickly flesh whose diet consists of processed human corpses and ultra-GMO corn? Most people don't, it adds nothing to the setting except an "eww". You can always imagine it if you want to.

The warhammer franchise has a problem with everything that isn't space marines, and space marines are some of the most boring creatures you could make up. Primarchs are boring as shit too. 13 super special boys whose reasoning for starting a galactic civil war is "my ambition"? Miss me with that. The problem is that the fans mostly want the most boring shit imaginable so it will never be good as anything other than a cool ideas bag or a backdrop for your own homebrew world. These people had a rift in spacetime rip a third of humanity off from the astronomicon, effectively plunged them into the second age of strife! This could be so interesting! But what they write is a few books about fucking ultramarines fighting chaos space marines for a corridor to the dark imperium. All the cool shit like the dark age of technology and the emperor with his cool story all serve as flavoring for the least interesting stories you could write about glorious superhumans who uhhh… fight I guess? Also in the most boring way they could.
The fans and GW hate fun.
>no can't have a race of cool terminator people… they want to transfer to human bodies because uhhh they have no soul, machine has no soul get it?????
>no can't have a race of cool hopeful aliens who want to make the world a better place, that would make my satirically evil empire look bad
>also we introduced space dwarves who never left the dark age of technology and we have done absolutely nothing with them because I guess people didn't buy enough plastic figures
>eldar can't have progress either, now I need more stories about ultramarines!!!!!!!

It's also just too extreme for people to take seriously, so they start coping about how it's actually perfectly reasonable and make cute art.

Chaos is the worst faction.

>>46975
>Do you really want to see a conservative's idea of transgender people raping walking husks of sickly flesh whose diet consists of processed human corpses and ultra-GMO corn?
?????????? why the fuck are amerilards like this man

>>46980
and your point? Genestealer kiss exists so you getting all offended by GW not including sexual violence is meaningful now? you can just write fanfic if you want in the setting so bad lol

>>46975
>Do you really want to see a conservative's idea of transgender people raping walking husks of sickly flesh whose diet consists of processed human corpses and ultra-GMO corn?
This is what I would expect from slaneesh but much worse and degenerate. One wouldnt watch such things because its le epic fantasy space larp but exactly because its extremely degenerate and disgusting.
>Most people don't, it adds nothing to the setting except an "eww".
Yes if you are a teenage girl.

>>46984
>Chaos is one the best factions when it comes to actual deranged underground cells, and hidden cults, crazed sorcerers in hidden mountain/forest keeps and exotic cultures that worship Chaos unknowingly as local gods.
>It's one of the lamest when it's mass armies, demons etc. It doesn't help that the Demon designs for Warhammer aren't particularly interesting or great and imo have actually become more boring over time. Chaos Demons and Greenskins (for fantasy) and Eldar for 40k are the factions that developed in the wrong direction and the earlier models actually have way more personality.

Yeah, I guess I can agree with that. I just think csm as a faction are retarded and I hate how if everything isn't about the regular space marines then it's about the emperor's edgelord failsons.
<DOW
>You're the last line of defense against an orc invasion threatening to overwhelm the planet
>psych, it was just a cover for chaos's evil plan >:)
<SM1
>It's WAAAGH o clock and you've got to try and save who you can in a race against time and overwhelming odds
>psych, it was just a cover for chaos's evil plan >;3
SM2
>it's the fuckin tyranids dawg holy shnikes
>psych, it was just a cover for chaos's evil plan >:D

Chaos should be getting its shit shoved in but luckily they've got even darker, more powerful forces on their side than primaris marines

>>46987
Chaos in overused as an antagonist, but if you want to actually play as chaos in any of the video games good fucking luck. The last chaos campaign for 40k is what, Retribution, came out 15 years ago? At least Total War Warhammer 3 has plenty Chaos contend, after being treated like a red headed stepchild for first two titles.

>>46990
I'd rather chaos just get fucking obliterated at this point, hopefully humiliated too. They suck so much dick.

So what armies do people play? I was thinking of picking up some Tau to paint for fun, not sure about playing still though.

>>46990
Probably will get a Dark Heresy campaign because the guys who made Rogue Trader are seemingly going through the RPG books for easy content, the RT CRPG is the ruleset from the TTRPG, the inquisition one looks set to be too from what i've seen, would be weirder if they didn't do DH.

>>47009
I have Tyranids as a proper army but haven't played a regular game in years. I mainly play kill team now.

>>47019
wanted to put together a Tau kill team but at my glances they seem to be trying to push Tau into using the kroot or the bug guys as a kill team, which is meh, whatever for me.
Another frustrating thing for me was searching for local groups, my city is pretty decent, has a lot of nerd shops and GW shop and shit so thought this would be easy, right? NOPE. every group in my locale is locked behind some shitty social media site… some have websites, but they're just landing pages trying to push you onto their fake and gay social media pages.
People are so obsessed with social media clout these days it's so pathetic, the only analogy i can think of to this would be like, 'you want to find out about local book clubs and reading groups? sure, we'll tell you all about it but only if you come in to the casino, relevant information will be posted nowhere else but the front of the slot machines at my members only, full credit card and personal details required to sign-up private casino.'
Fuckers.

>>47035
GW used to sell a Tau kill team box that would have been what you are looking for, you can still find rules for it online.
https://ktdash.app/killteams/TAU-PF
But getting ahold of one now might be difficult, maybe you can find decent 3d printed proxies online.
>searching for local groups
I have avoided putting up with this by getting all the minis for smaller scale games and asking friends if they want to play with me. It's easy to get some of your buddies into it, when you can provide all the miniatures yourself, instead of trying to get them to buy a whole 2k points army.

>>47037
Yea, i was told that this team is being phased out of Kill Team, Next year is 25th anniversary of Tau though so i am thinking they might do a bunch of releases and a bit of a narrative push with them. Here's hoping anyway.
I'm going to get some of the little fire warrior guys then maybe a suit to paint for now, at least. Thinking of doing them in camo and such, like some in naval camo, some in green, should look pretty good.
>pic
They are all painted what in the promo's, which is, ehhh not great to begin with but on their website they also put them on white backgrounds (also large portions are always sold out). Why are GW like this? they are a top traded company? Legitimately farcical, someone tell me under what context this is a good way to sell a product, as compared to one of the few non-white examples pictured (still a dogshit colour and not even the same Tau tan colour they make them in their pictures?!

I understand why this company gives people aneurysms now, already.