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475 posts and 113 image replies omitted.What is an author whose style was highly influential to you or made you understand the nature of writing in a way you didn't before?
I think Cormac McCarthy has influenced my style more than any other writer, specifically his use of terse declaratives like "No one spoke." or "The Kid didn't move." He doesn't tell you what the characters are feeling or thinking, he evokes it with one simple sentence that distills all the emotional tension of the moment into just a few words that carry tremendous weight. I like that kind of style, it feels very visceral and real to me.
>>46798>"The Kid didn't move." He doesn't tell you what the characters are feeling or thinking, he evokes it with one simple sentence that distills all the emotional tension of the moment into just a few words that carry tremendous weight. I like that kind of style, it feels very visceral and real to me.That's pretty much screenwriting style. I haven't read one of his books all the way through but I read a page or two when my friend was reading the road and it read just like a screenplay. First person, minimal scene description. I wonder if he's ever said that's where he picked up his style.
>>46799Cormac McCarthy's earlier stuff was very Faulkner-esque and then began to develop his own style in later work, in Blood Meridian he is often seamlessly juxtaposing the very terse brutalist descriptions of events and actions with these very vivid descriptions of the natural world around them.
>>46799>First person,I meant present tense, holy shit, my bad.
But that's a really interesting seemingly minor, but important difference. All screenplays are written in present tense, and books are usually written in past tense.
>>46804And it's really such an interesting stylistic difference to write in present tense. It's so much more immediate. Even though my background in writing is in screenwriting and the present tense, I am using past tense, as is tradition, for my novel. But I still think I have picked up my screenwriting background of minimal scene description. I hate verbose scene description. In screenplays, they call anything that is not a description of a physical action or change an "unfilmable," it means who gives a fuck that you're telling me what this incident reminded the character of in their memory.
But of course that is the nature of screenplays and novels are a completely different matter, but I like to try to keep my descriptions tight.
Thoughts on this little project? I made two chapters so far. I'm not really being that serious here or trying very hard it is more as pressure release when I'm working on my book, something where I don't have to try so hard basically. So the prose is really shit or at best it is uneven in its quality.
https://profoundlystrawberry4e3c1c7b0a-fcumv.wordpress.com/butterfly-project/>>46772Before I start critiquing, I think your writing is pretty good, I think your world sounds like it could be interesting, but I don't think you really got to anything to interesting in chapter 1, and the writing wasn't compelling enough on it's own either. I could go through line by line on a lot of stuff. But in summary of my take on Chapter 1:
> I felt you were taking too long to describe things we could easily understand without the long unoriginal description.Right off the bat, the first sentence I felt was really uninspiring.
>The October day was hot, a damp, oppressive heat that clung to the skin despite the overcast sky and the constant drizzle. It just seems like you're describing muggy whether in the most direct way possible. There is nothing in this sentence that gives a hint at your style, world, characterization. If you think about it the first sentence is the most important in the book.
Then on the opposite end, I get you're trying to do a slow reveal about what this post-societal breakdown American world is, but I've already read a lot of stories like that, and you're not giving and hints of anything that are particularly fascinating yet. I guess this line was the most but I have no idea what it means:
>Thirteen stripes, but where the stars should have been, a single Star of David was pierced by a cross.Also you use some language kinda over and over again.
>The engine roared in protest,>The truck groaned in protest That's like absolutely too much but even this:
> the roar of the engine settling back into a labored grumble.Then you just flat out tell us "I'm trying to personify the truck"
>The truck wasn't just a machine; it was a partner in this desperate flight.I think you would do better changing these lines instead into something that tells us Sam's opinion/feeling about the truck and the engine. It's his partner, it's him that has this personified relationship with the truck. If instead you describe it through his feelings and thoughts of this truck as a person, it would accomplish your first goal, and help characterize the MC at the same time.
>>46772>Sam froze. He knew what that meant. The "societal hygiene" check. The medical screenings. And he, sporting a hood, knew exactly what kind of "dick haircut" that would earn him. No.I just realized what you meant. Like they're going to circumcise him if he's uncircumcised? If that's what you meant I think you need to elaborate more on that point lol. It seriously flew right past me because it's not something I would typically read in a novel.
>And he, sporting a hoodYou're being way too euphemistic lol.
>>46830>>46829But that's my general point. Spend more time with the interesting stuff instead of the filler. If this is a world of forces circumcisions by Jewish Nazis or whatever, give us more of that.
>"people" are publishing ai slopfics for dead fandoms
Why? Seriously, why? What is the fucking reason? You're not going to become internet famous. You're not going to land a publishing deal out of this. Your audience is a dozen autists. Why are you fucking doing this?
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>>46993>Hemingway >CIA This is the kind of shit that gives "conspiracy" theories a bad name. It lumps in actual glowies like Orwell or Service with those that are legit and in so doing discredits the entire idea for people.
>The Tragedy of the muppets
>On December 7th 2005 Kermit the Frog was found dead in his office by Scooter at 10:17 AM, he had a bullet would in the side of head.
>Police ruled the death a Suicide but many conspiracy theories pushed by Link Hogthrob claim that the FBI assassinated him due to his criticism of the Iraq war and his connections to 9/11.
>The muppets held a giant funeral for him on January of 2006.
>In Kermit’s Will he left his producer position to his nephew Robin the Frog, this was controversial because many thought he wasn’t ready or experienced enough.
>eventually only a week after the funeral Rowlf the Dog, Sam the Eagle, Sweetums, and Pepe the Prawn announced to the rest of the muppets in the middle of the studio that they were quitting because they felt that it would be disrespectful to Kermit to continue without him.
>This caused a giant argument because the rest of the muppets believed that continuing was what Kermit would have wanted, it go so heated that Gonzo bludgeoned Pepe the Prawn over the head with a Cinder-block which Killed him instantly, this caused everyone else to run out of the studio, Gonzo was later arrested and sentenced to life in prison.
>In March the first episode of the Muppet Show aired without Kermit and it was met with controversy and bad reviews because Robin made several rookie mistakes.
>In April Link Hogthrob was kicked out of the Muppets for pushing conspiracy theories about Kermit’s death and Rizzo the Rat died of an Overdose, later Dr. Honeydew was arrested for Racketeering.
>On May 12 what became known as the “Muppet Studio Massacre” took place in which Miss Piggy who was jealous that she wasn’t chosen to become the producer walked into the meeting room of the Muppet Studio with a Mossberg 500 and opened fire shooting Robin the Frog, Skooter, Fozzie Bear, Dr. Teeth, and Bean Bunny until she was disarmed by Animal. Fozzie was the only survivor to have been directly shot but he revived permanent damage. Beauregard, Zoot and Lew Zealand were the only muppets in the room other than Animal not to be shot but the latter two were injured.
>Miss Piggy was immediately arrested later and sentenced to death by lethal injection for the murder of four people, the muppets were also shut down by their parent company the day after the shooting.
>The rest of the muppets have had mostly difficult lives afterwards
<Fozzy Bear’s comedian career has been even less successful now that’s he is paralyzed
<The Electric Mayhem has not been as successful since the death of Dr. Teeth and they broke up in 2017
<Dr. Honeydew was released in 2024 but no companies were willing to fund his research due to his history of Racketeering and a best selling book written by Beaker exposing his abuse.
<The Swedish chef had mild success until he was cancelled in 2020 for racism against Swedish people
<Rolf the Dog died of old age in 2025
<Link Hogthrob started a podcast
<Sam the Eagle became a college professor but underwent scrutiny in 2026 after he was mentioned of 534 times in the Epstein files and even flew on his plane.
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Why is it that in omegaverse works whenever there is a alpha/beta relationship the beta is almost the exact same as an omega? They are always weak or sickly and always get pregnant at some point. I've only read one where the beta wasn't just a shittier omega and that was it. Beta/omega relationships are even rarer, I've only seen one story with this type. It was decent though.
>>47480Please don't mention omegaverse anywhere outside ao3. This shit is too cringe and I have a real bodily response when I read anything about it.
I have fleshed out and worldbuilded a huge universe but have barely any idea how to write anything in the setting, suggestions?
>>47688Actual political (actually war so its not boring but idk) struggle? Too many ancient evil and outsider gods or whatever that just sidestep the 'needing an antagonist' part too much.
Or you can go smaller, of course, but the fun of having a setting is using all of it.
>>47690i think the hardest part for me is coming up with characters and making them not feel generic
>>47692Get every idea you have in a doc. A story like that using a whole setting have hundreds of characters, so you can use everything if you want.
Your protagonist, if you really want to have success, should be relatable tho. In my opinion the ones with the most lasting fans are the 'literally me' ones. aka a 20's or 16-20s schizoid with relatable issues.
>>47688>>47692Characters are a really personal thing, you kind of have to just read more and make up what you think would be cool and useful for the story. I generally think the characters don't stand apart from the plot and themes, they all are one and you can't separate them.
Read more books though and you will learn how to write.
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Focus on the character and story first and then the worldbuilding.
A good story can still be good despite bad worldbuilding
a bad story can never be good no matter how good the worldbuilding is.
I noticed something recently when thinking about Fiction in general. I think frustrating your audience and leaving them with a sense of yearning is a big part of creating good and memorable fiction. You don't actually want to satisfy them. You want to interest them and make them feel emotions, but ultimately leave them unsatisfied and asking a lot of questions and arguing with each other over details.
When I was a kid, the most memorable works of fiction seemed to often abide by principles like
>Show, don't tell.
>Focus on moving the plot forwards and developing the arcs of the central characters, rather than doing perfectly realistic, consistent, accurate worldbuilding.
>Don't be afraid to leave some details unexplained so the audience can fill in the blanks with their own imagination
Abiding by these principles
As a young adult when I first tried and failed to write my own stuff, I failed to abide by these principles because I craved to make things that were "realistic" and "materialist" and "consistent" and had "good worldbuilding."
I wanted Fiction to describe the real world, like nonfiction, while still being entertaining. While some things can definitely pull that off, it is way less popular.
I failed to understand that leaving some questions unanswered and failing to satisfy the audience fully is actually what allows something to become memorable and highly discussed long after it should have faded into the background.
Also a work of fiction becomes legendary and memorable for generations after it is made, precisely because it targets the fresh, unassuming, curious, developing brain of a child, rather than cynical, bored, developed brain of an adult.
Thoughts?
>>47773>I think frustrating your audience and leaving them with a sense of yearning is a big part of creating good and memorable fiction.Awful, dogshit take.
>>47773Nah it's just the consequences of having a popular story in the first place, you end up with a minority tight knit community that goes on lore dive and prediction, and it's really good second monitor content so it gets views.
It's the feedback loop of being already popular - > content gets made - > become even more popular.
Unless your target audience is fnaf discord users then I get it
>>47774You know I thought in a very slow thread about writing that I would at least get a longer and more interesting answer if someone disagreed, but I guess it's just the same 1-sentence putdowns that you get on the main board. Maybe this place is dying for a good reason.
>>47775But why does a lot of popular stuff leave things open to audience imagination? Is it possible audiences want that, rather than something where every single potential avenue for their imagination to fill in the blanks is instead occupied by canonical hyper-specific worldbuilding? I really think I'm onto something here. Audiences are increasingly into worldbuilding and fan fiction because they like filling in those blanks, so when the creator does that for them and there's no mystery left, it's kind of stale.
>>47775i think you hit the nail on the head that its the result of having an established story. Harry Potter, lotr, etc… for example where you have a established fandom obsessed at looking at all the different aaspects of the story.
otherwise its like writing a story where it begins with a bank robbery. but it never gets solved. why should anyone care in the first place? it doesnt add 'mystery' or anticipation or whartever. if anything its more likely to piss off the reader that they invested time and nothing essentially happened.
>>47782>Audiences are increasingly into worldbuilding and fan fiction because they like filling in those blanksYou're right in this being a draw for a lot of people, but i see it more as an out-of-text thing and one that doesn't even require the story deliberately leaving things vague. Take for example the Worm webnovel, whose text includes super-detailed worldbuilding, that is near-exhaustive when taken together with its "sequel". Many writers in the setting, especially in the spacebattles community, have a complicated relationship with Ward and some themes of the original work, which is why they often intentionally play loose with canon.
Ultimately you can only make the far weaker statement, that a community into worldbuilding and fanfiction may elevate an otherwise lackluster story.
>>47784I think this type of fandom is just bad for writing, ultimatly, worldbuilding doesn't matter much, a story may have a well made interesting setting, if the writing doesn't follow, then it's worthless in terms of art, even if it might sell well among a certain community.
It's also weird to see it being heralded as some major criticism, you'll even see people direct it towards children's books like Harry Potter, when nonsensical worlds parodying our own has been a staple of children's litterature for a while, just see Roahl Dahl's books.
I'll say that letting plot unresolved if often fairly bad, you don't need to explore every background character's life, if anything, an encyclopedic explaination of everything just hurts the immersion of the reader.
>>47783no anon is clearly saying that you leave some things that are open to interpretation, not that you never wrap up the main plot. like the suitcase in pulp fiction. nobody sees what's inside of it. it's fun to speculate whether it's supernatural or not. but the plot isn't left dangling.
I want to write! Fucking hell, why can't I just write?
>>4040Why is there always backlash against yaoi shopping but not for yuri shipping?
>>5216>>4078Not exactly. It’s more due to how society views anything made by or for teens as “cringe”, because “teens are cringe”.
although I will say that there was an awkward period for teen media in the 1990s thru 2000s especially for the live action shows but tbh live action shows were always kinda awkward regardless of demographic of cast.
A lot of live action shows come off to me as flying too much on slapstick and awkwardness. Sincerity is mocked as weakness or followed up with some self-deprecative comment to make it “tolerable”.
> Bitch where? They haven't stopped shitting the bed since the mid 2010s after shows like Clone Wars, Transformers Prime and Avatar the Last Airbender were supplanted by crap like Steven Boogerverse, Loser of Korra and Transformers RiDWhat’s so bad about Steven Universe and Legends Of Korra?
>>47693“Relatability” is overdone imo, especially since a lot of it focuses on awkwardness and snark for substance.
Doesn’t anyone have any ideas on writing some fanfiction stories with some good smut mixed in with adventure?
>>3625I think those stories are just more meant to be blowing off steam rather than actual serious action adventure plot line
>>4055> 99% of romance in fiction is heterosexual, or on the internet 12 year old moe-loli garbage.Wrong on the second half. Most of it is genderswapped versions of male MCs dating a male OC or male OCs dating female OCs
>>4069> Ironically when there is a genuinely decent M/M ship to be found its done like garbage.
>Probably the worst is Haku x Naruto… That shit could be done well, but every fic that has a yaoi pairing of the two (and not rule 63) ends up having a really shitting Master-Servant relation or other obnoxious shite.
>TL;DR: Its not the gayness that's the issue, its how obnoxious it - and the Fujos who make it - are.A lot of yaoi fanfiction seems to wanna make the bottom male always a feminized pretty boy.
>>4062Can you show me where this happens?
I am a cishet male who is into yaoi fanfiction but I never romanticize or obsess over male bonding in real life
What I do see is a lot of glamorization of yuri and shipping of real life female characters in erotic works.
>>5218Remember Drake & Josh and Ned’s Declassified Survival Guide? Great stuff. How about All That? Or the Amanda Show?
Tbh I like the teen cartoons better.
Kim Possible,Sanny Phantom, Total Drama Island, etc
Also, anime in The late 1990s/early 2000s was meh. The only real good ones were Naruto, Bleach, Hikaru No Go,and Once Piece.
Dragonball as a franchise I tried to follow the plot line but I always got bored. I don’t get the appeal of the shows as plot lines
>>44521I tried writting a fic where Sonic was kidnapped by GUN and do their dirty work until he'd eventually manage to escape and have to travel around the world as a fugitive to reunite with his friends but also had amnesia and Knuckles would captured and radicalized by an extremist echidna cult. Yeah it was extremely ambitious, I had a lot of ideas, but I had to remake it twice, and even now I'm not very happy with the characterization so i fridged it.
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>>48056>>48055A character I'm working on
Feedback appreciated
>>48054>>48055>>48056This is magnificent. I was filled with envy in my simplicity when I first read it.
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