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>>38590
Most palatable lentils Ive had so far.

Ethiopian Misir Wot (red lentils)
• 1 cup red lentils
• 1 medium purple onion minced
• 3-4 cloves garlic (minced)
• 1 tablespoon fresh grated ginger
• 1 can fire roasted tomatos
• 4 tablespoons butter or ghee to saute
• 2 - 3 cups broth
• 3-5 tablespoons berbere spice
• Add salt at end for taste

Saute garlic onions and spices. Add broth, sauce and lentils and simmer until done.

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Ingredients

1 tablespoon olive oil
(1) 16-ounce block firm tofu
2 tablespoons nutritional yeast
1/2 teaspoon salt, or more to taste
1/4 teaspoon turmeric
1/4 teaspoon garlic powder
2 tablespoons non-dairy milk, unsweetened and unflavored

Instructions

Heat the olive oil in a pan over medium heat. Mash the block of tofu right in the pan, with a potato masher or a fork. You can also crumble it into the pan with your hands. Cook, stirring frequently, for 3-4 minutes until the water from the tofu is mostly gone.
Now add the nutritional yeast, salt, turmeric and garlic powder. Cook and stir constantly for about 5 minutes.
Pour the non-dairy milk into the pan, and stir to mix. Serve immediately with sliced avocado, hot sauce, parsley, steamed kale, toast or any other breakfast item.

Notes

Tofu Scramble is also good with all sorts of vegetables mixed in. Vegetables to add before the tofu: 1/4 cup diced onion or a few cloves of minced garlic. Saute in the oil for 2-3 minutes before adding and mashing the tofu. Vegetables to add towards the end: fresh spinach, kale, thin sliced red peppers, small chopped broccoli or fresh sliced/diced tomatoes. Add these after you've added the milk to the tofu, and cook for just a few minutes.
Omit oil if desired to make the tofu scramble oil free.
You can use any kind of non-dairy milk you like, such as soy, almond, cashew, oat or coconut milk. Just make sure it is unsweetened and unflavored.

Nutrition
Serving: 1serving | Calories: 288kcal | Carbohydrates: 9g | Protein: 24g | Fat: 18g | Saturated Fat: 2g | Sodium: 600mg | Potassium: 168mg | Fiber: 4g | Sugar: 1g | Vitamin A: 31IU | Calcium: 302mg | Iron: 3mg

>>38590
>humans are omnivorous for a reason
If God didnt want me to rupture your asshole he wouldnt give me this 7incher.

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4200 cal vegan meal plan

>>38598
>2000kcal surplus
Why?

>>38596
Ok retard, back to >>>/siberia/

>>38592
Thanks, will try.

>>38600
To gain mass bruh. Some ppl are tall and hardgainers. I start plateauing at 3500 cals.

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>Vegan Swoletariat
Sorry vegan anons; lifting 5 pounds isn't supposed to be an accomplishment.

>>38603
Still, thats like 2kg gain a week, most of that isnt going to be muscle.

>>38600
Standard daily caloric intakes are a mere guideline for fat people to not eat themselves to death. A "standard daily caloric intake" CANNOT sustain an active and optimized human being.
>>38606
>Still, thats like 2kg gain a week, most of that isnt going to be muscle.
Not if he works hard enough. 4300 calories is NOTHING to someone who actually puts in the work. See the attached video. Optimal and active human beings have to chug multiple 1000 calorie protein shakes THROUGHOUT their workouts so they don't shrivel up and die from all the WORK they put in.
>>38598
This diet plan epitomizes all of the problems of veganism. Don't be fooled by the whacked percentages. Look at that pitiful protein content - those proteins are hardly even bioavailable as well, in relation to meats I mean, because plant foods are indigestible and therefore the nutrients are less bioavailible. Those vitamins and minerals and shit are HARDLY bioavailible either.

You should take every nutrient and divide it by ten, because nutrients from vegan food aren't bioavailible. The only things that your body can readily absorb from this diet are the carbohydrates. This diet will certainly give you diabetes in the long run, as you're really just eating carbs all day.

>>38610
>Source: random post I found on bodybuilding.com forum

>>38610
>Not if he works hard enough. 4300 calories is NOTHING to someone who actually puts in the work. See the attached video. Optimal and active human beings have to chug multiple 1000 calorie protein shakes THROUGHOUT their workouts so they don't shrivel up and die from all the WORK they put in.
>the attached video is Rich Piana's 8 hour arm workout
hahahahahahaha get fucking real. You could eat 10,000 calories per day and not be able to do this routine. Or get his gains, for that matter, unless you had a bit of medicinal help.
Nice trolling anon, here's your (you).

Remember meat eater bros. Meat increases visceral fat and damages your organs. Turning vegan can drop visceral fat within weeks. You meatoids are damaging your organs and heart by consooming your meat.

>>38665
we all gotta die of something

>>38666
Might as well smoke. At least with smoking you dont get a nasty distended pregnant belly look.

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>>38665
Remember meat bros, this is the physique you can hope to achieve eating meat. Big ugly distended bellies with high amounts of visceral fat.

>>38610
>Look at that pitiful protein content - those proteins are hardly even bioavailable as well, in relation to meats I mean, because plant foods are indigestible and therefore the nutrients are less bioavailible.

No help for the clinically insane- proteins are absorbed the same

>The results showed higher absorption of nitrogen and its balance from high protein diets whether derived from lentil or animal source, which may enhance tissue protein deposition.

>>38668
In fairness, this is more related to steroid abuse. Eating meat will not land you with palumboism.

>>38668
1) That's not how body-building diets work, they're not pure meat, and actually a lot of this shitter ones abuse protein powder.
2) That's called a paunch and distends when flexed a specific way (unless its palumboism)
3) Palumboism is a roid related issue almost exclusively, it's unrelated to meat. See >>38590 and stop baiting.

>>38673
>See *meaningless smug post that adds nothing to the conversation* and stop baiting.

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>>38674
>meaningless smug post that adds nothing to the conversation
Yes your bait about body-building is indeed smug nonsense that adds nothing to the conversation, thanks for confirming that.

>>38673
>>38671
Its not baiting, theres no clear cause established for what causes HGH gut or pulomboism. Yes steroids can be a potential cause. But Insulin is suspected to cause an increase in visceral fat. And guess what else increases visceral fat? Meat. So sorry stop trying to deflect, meat eaters do have uglier bloaty physiques. Cope

Anyone got any good Mexican or Indian vegetarian/vegan recipes that I can try? I'm a Omnivore that wants to eat more veggies.


>>39576
>100g
>1cup
>1/2 cup
>2tbs
>3tbs
>2tbs
>1/4th cup
There are seven different measures in that infographic.

>>39588
I had to use both systems of measurement on my nursing test today. Americans use both

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>>38528
>Moralism is when you care
Absolute state

>>38446
fat causes insulin resistance thus diabetes, not carbs.
>>38792
tacos with beans rice and salsa

>be freegan
>out of town gf comes to visit
>eat out a lot over the weekend
>feel like shit
>offer to cook
>she wont eat because veggies are "bland"
I'm so glad Im back to my usual kale, lentils, and rice now that she went home. I grew up pescetarian, but I'm intrigued by veganism. However, the only vegan I knew started eating meat again because he shoots pests that get into his crops and fruit trees, so venison and squirrel.

>>42785
How do you practice freeganism? Like do you dumpster dive, or literally eat nothing over your nutritional requirement?

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Any advice for meal plan on cut? Currently at 175g of protein on 2100kcal, I would like to add those 25g to get to 200 while keeping calories the same. Adding more protein power is not an option, I already get around 64g from it.

https://legionathletics.com/9-lies-vegans-love-telling/

>>38433
One of my coworkers is an Indian woman through and through, who lives and breathes her culture, including food. Chicken is a massive part of Indian diets, which is a meat and extremely high in proteins. Plant focus in Indian diets is primarily because of historical extreme poverty in the country with famines being common-place and also religious restrictions on the consumption of Cattle.

>>38429
You do realize that part of Bruce Lee's rigid diet was, and I quote, Chocolate Ice Cream, and not that low-fat shit either. I don't think anyone would argue with the statement that Bruce Lee was an example of peak human physical conditioning, dedicated to improving his body, including through diet.

Deficiencies from Vegan diets (such as of B12, proteins and amino acids) cause hair loss (for women and men), hormonal changes, skin issues, hypothyroidism, sarcopenia (muscle loss) osteoporosis, and bone fractures. Vegan diets are also tied to cardiovascular diseases. There is a REASON humans evolved to be omnivores. If you do not want to eat animals that is fine, but do not falsely claim it is healthier, because you're dead wrong, same as any idiot who would claim that only eating meat is good. For example fat is good for the body but too much is bad. The issue is not meat, the issue is processed foods, something that has been apparent to everyone but the mutts since forever, especially in the USSR, hence Soviet people maintaining health while consuming a higher number of calories compared to the USA. >>37563
https://www.saintlukeskc.org/about/news/research-shows-vegan-diet-leads-nutritional-deficiencies-health-problems-plant-forward
https://www.nature.com/articles/1602659
https://www.businessinsider.com/a-trichologist-explains-why-a-rise-in-veganism-has-led-to-an-increase-in-hair-loss-among-young-women-2017-11
https://www.curetoothdecay.com/Tooth_Decay/tooth_cavity_vegan.htm

>>43320
Not even gonna adress the garbage you wrote, out of the 5 "sources" you posted one is a supplement e-shop, a "faith-based" institutiom, a harcare product brand representative, blog-post by a grifter trying to sell me his teeth book, and exactly one actual study, which concluced that on average vegans get less calcium than other diets, an issue that can be solved by simply eating calcium rich vegan foods or simply drinking mineralized water.

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>>43332
>not even gonna
<I don't have an argument so I'll attack the source without actually addressing anything!
Ok first-worldist, thanks for having the reading and argumentative capabilities of your average /pol/fag
>"faith based"
Are you talking about St.Lukes? Because that's not how that works you ignoramus
>blog
As opposed to vegan blogshit?
>supplements
As opposed to vegan supplement shills?
>a harcare product brand representative
Meaningless, considering most haircare products are plant based anyway.
>simply drinking mineralized water
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA No. The amount of mineral water (REAL mineral water that is expensive, and not cheap shit) you'd have to drink would be immense. And this is just for normal consumption. Athletes need a much higher nutrient-per-gram coefficient.
>simply eating calcium rich vegan foods
Proving the point that to acquire even close to the same amount of nutrients as an omnivorous diet, you have to consume far more, because meat generally has double the amount that plants do, and is easier to digest and process due to the trophic system. It's a biological fact that humans require vitamins that can only come from other animals and lack enzymes for breaking down tough vegetable fiber (which is why we cook most of them, and why we have to consume tremendously more plants to be able to acquire the same amount of nutrients as one would from meat, which is also why obligate herbivores have complex stomachs and consume large amounts of plants constantly. Human brain evolution is linked to the consumption of meat, something that came from the common ancestor we share with our closest primate relatives (chimpanzees) who also feed on meat when possible and have been observed using intelligent hunting behaviors to acquire it (such as using wooden spears). We have higher acidity of stomach acid than even some obligate predators to let us break down a larger variety of food items. It's also why all prehistoric human societies started as hunter-gatherers and even when agriculture developed, animal domestication followed. Even Asians, whose cultures don't have as much meat in their dishes as European countries, places importance on meat, and Asian countries consumed less meat in part due to it being harder to acquire or domesticate in large quantities in their environment. Japan particularly is an example of this due to being an archipelago with limited ability to keep livestock and so relied more on fish to supplement their diets. Ancient Japanese peasantry and other lower-class members of the population had poorer health than the upper class, primarily because the feudal system placed priority on the nobility getting food first and they could eat a full diet, while most farmers had to live on plants and rice almost exclusively, which lead to hair-loss, poor tooth health, small size and fragile bones. Biology and material reality doesn't care about your opinion.

Regardless you've evaded addressing any of the main points, mine or the articles linked by, as I stated, using the fallacy of attacking the source, without actually contending the arguments made. Furthermore none of the articles even imply that vegetables and eating healthy is bad, you're just ass-mad that they're defying your bohemian, First-World schtick of "only plants". Non-meat B12 only exists in certain algae (which aren't consumed directly by anyone that isn't a richfag lifestylist), at least two necessary amino acids are completely nonexistent among consumable plants and only found in meats, particularly fish and eggs. etc.

>>43343
You can mineralize your water with calcium carbonate powder, 1kg costs couple bucks, lasts you for years, nobody ever argued vegan diet has B12 in it, everybody supplements it, and I would really like to hear which two essential amino acids you think are not present in plants.

>>38379
I am nowhere near a good enough cook to go vegan. I need muh grease to make anything taste good

>>43362
You dont need to be a good cook to be vegan. My todays lunch (and for next three days) is a vegetable soup with textured vegetable protein. Literally just throw bunch of ingredients into a pot, with some salt and black pepper. Tastes great, somehow. Scratches that peasant part of your brain.

And if you really need grease, add bunch of oil (at least use rapeseed) to whatever meat replacement.

>>43360
>nobody ever argued vegan diet has B12 in it
More than one vegan has argued that it "provides all the essential nutrients" and what have you.
>mineralize your water with calcium carbonate powder
Not naturally however, which is my point. The most natural mineralized water I can think of does not have nearly the amount necessary. Again proving my point that the diet is not a full one and REQUIRES supplementation to provide enough nutrients and even then it's not the same.
>I would really like to hear which two essential amino acids you think are not present in plants.
DHA (docosahexaenoic acid i.e. Omega 3). The only plant life to have it are some strains of algae, which are prohibitively expensive. And inb4 ALA, ALA does not cover the same areas as DHA and the human body converts it very poorly. The amount of nuts, flax and chia seeds you need to consume to produce enough DHA as a result would be far outside possibility.

Also Vitamin D3, which can only be supplemented for vegans, not consumed as part of a diet.

This is just for regular people. For athletes this actually goes higher. Heme Fe, Zinc and other nutrients that are required in higher amounts (up to doulbe the norm) by athletes and very physically active people are hard to acquire from a vegan diet, requiring supplementation. Supplement pills and shit like that are NOT part of a diet, they aren't food, they're additives addressing the lacking parts of a vegan diet.

Again I reiterate, if you want to do this, that's on you, but rather than calmly discussing food and diets, some posters ITT think they're so clever by trying to diss meat and non-vegan diets as if they're worse, while using the most retarded examples to "prove" their points - processed foods consumed by burgers are not a typical diet around the world, contrary to the apparent opinion of some America-centric posters here.

I repeat the part about diet

>>43372
lmao this dumb uygha worried about D3.

>literally just go outside

>>43372
Where the fuck do you think those animals you eat get their vitamins? B12 is supplemented, calcium is suplemented, D3 is supplemented. Somehow eating these poor degenerated beings ridden with genetic defects, fed on gruel and powders and hormones is perfectly ok, but putting fucking calcium powder in tapwater is horrible violation of natural order.
>inb4 I get my meat from my uncles Happy Farm
Overwhelming majority of all meat production worldwide comes from factory farms. https://ourworldindata.org/how-many-animals-are-factory-farmed

When we talk about diet we can either evaluate health outcomes on average, which vegans clearly win over omnivores https://r.jordan.im/download/nutrition/dinu2017.pdf, or potential optimal health, in which case supplements are completely fair game because the whole point is min-maxxing the diet. Nobody is clutching their pearls how omnivorous diet is "sub-optimal" because bodybuilders take creatine and protein powder, but the moment it comes to B12 pills, God protect.

All your post are the same disingenuous bullshit, no sources, just unsubstantiated opinions, fallacies and backpedaling. You start claiming vegans lack "two necessary amino acids", and when pressed, all you can show is one non-essential, while making some vague claim about getting enough from seeds being far outside possibility. Show me one study that proves negative health outcomes in vegans as result of DHA deficiency. And I want to emphasize, outcome. Not comment in a discussion about how we have lower intake which might or not have negative effects, but this issue isnt within scope of present study.

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>>43374
>J-just go outside
How do you think D3 gets produced by the body, do you know? Or is all you know the "sun hits skin = Vitamin D?" meme?
1) People may have limited sun exposure because of their jobs, because of having higher melanin levels or because of age. Or they live in climates and areas with limited sunlight / live in areas where sunlight is only strong seasonally. You need to spend a significant amount of time in the sun to produce a lot of Vitamin D naturally and you do not produce it from nothing.
2) D3 when produced by sunlight rather than consumption is a result of the Sun's UVB radiation breaking down 7-dehydrocholesterol in the skin through a light-chemical reaction that breaks down the layers of the molecule. Said dehydrocholesterol comes from lathosterol, which is a pre-cholesterol that forms from fats, fats that are usually not present in most plants.
3) This is the indirect process. Getting sunlight is (again) not part of diet.

The point is that the extra Vitamin D we need because of the limited process of skin-sun interaction means that Vitamin D3 (which is longer lasting than D2 and better) is acquirable only from animal sources. Mushrooms and the like have D2, but that's very limited.
Again, Read a fucking book.

>>43383
>You need to spend a significant amount of time in the sun to produce a lot of Vitamin D naturally
Couple minutes. Use search engine before you type your dumb shit retard.

>>43384
>couple minutes
If you're depending solely on the sun for your source of Vitamin D3? LMAO no.
>use search engine
How about you actually read more than the summaries of articles? Given that you couldn't even read a single sentence before spazzing out a smartass reply, I'm guessing you can barely read a paragraph, let alone a proper response.

>>43383
Sun produces 80% daily value of Vitamin D. Touch grass nerd

>>43315
>175g of protein on 2100kcal
Either you're eating more than enough protein already or your calorie deficit is too extreme for your body mass.

>>43415
I am aiming for extreme.

>>43388
I don't want wrinkles.

>>43383
D3 supplements that are fully vegan exist

>new vegan bistro near my house
>open three days a week for cumulative 20 hours

>>43911
sorry its only for the true fans


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