Since nobody has made a new one and people keep asking for it I made the next one.
Beginner's Health and Fitness Guide, aka "the /fit/ sticky" -
http://liamrosen.com/fitness.html Swole-Soldiers Edition
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>>>/alt_archive/>>39669 Pushups, Pullups, High Knees and Jumping Jacks with a little weight lifting and stretches.
- 20-30 Push-ups in the morning
- 5-10 pullups (if you can raise your legs as you do so to make an L shape, that's a good ab work-out)
- 30-50 jumping jacks (you can also do 30 with 5 pound weights in your hands/on your legs)
- 10 High Knees (rapidly raising your knee as high as possible while standing in one place)
- Trunk Twists and leg stretches (3-5 each side)
- Lifting a 15-30lb weight in arm curls, 7 each side, extremely slowly.
- 20 Crunches
This is what I'd recommend as a minimal work-out to upkeep your health, get decent musculature and reduce fat… so long as you eat properly, reduce junk food eat fruits and vegetables, no fast-food burgers etc. Eat properly cooked food, a Mediterranean diet is pretty good, though honestly as long as it's properly cooked meals, you're good.
For Cardio either running (don't jog, you'll fuck up your knees) or swimming. I prefer the latter because Running bores the shit outta me unless I'm chasing something or racing to reach a destination on time. Alternatively if you have time to kill, take a long, fast-paced hike in a woodland, it's not quite a work-out but it'll get your heart pumping.
>>39663working out is for meatheaded narcissists with ugly faces. unless yr a 10/10 with supermodelesque features and perfect genes you should be starving yourself until you’re a dainty waif.
your muscles will fall apart and you’ll become old and decrepit so all that sweating and grunting will have been for nothing.
>>40251>your muscles will fall apart and you’ll become old and decrepit so all that sweating and grunting will have been for nothingYou will die so why be a leftist? Checkmate.
A healthy lifestyle will postpone that anyway.
>>39669Eating a balanced nutritional diet and daily cardio.
>>40251I'd rather be ugly and in shape than ugly and out of shape.
>>40296Congrats! I've been doing regular exercise for around 5 months as well, plus dieting. I don't notice significant changes, not even in photos, but people tell me all the time they do, and even new people I meet remark that they can tell I work out or look fit. I still feel fat and flabby lol, my ex told me that it might be the same phenomenon that people with body dismorphia have.
I had a mild break down or loss of motivation since I didn't feel any different. But on the other hand, doing exercise has done wonders for me, plus I'm in it for the long long haul. 5 months is nothing in the grand scheme of things. I've been doing semi regular exercise for a year and a half now.
An entire year was spent in ramping up, struggling to change my eating habits, my sleeping habits, going to therapy, drinking less, eating less, drinking protein shakes, taking supplements, slowly and patiently ramping up the habit of doing small exercises at home, walking 8k steps during the day, merely attending the gym once a week or another exercise activity, and so on.
Now I go to the gym twice a week on average, and bouldering twice a week on average. My weight is very slowly going down, slowly but surely.
One of the major keys is just accepting that this is your new life. it's not about the results, it's just about what you have to do now. Seeking results can be very demotivating because your mind can be incapable of seeing them, even when they're there.
>>39669Getting the blood flowing every hour or two, 8k steps, will already do wonders for your body. Jumping jacks, pushups, squats, are all things that quickly get the blood pumping.
Be mindful that you can't simply go from 0 to active one day to the next. Not because it's physically hard, but because habits take a long time to form and can be fickle when they're created quickly.
Then for resistance training, you want to do very heavy reps with something like gymnastic bars. Especially focused on the part of the exercise in which you're resisting to the rest position rather than the extended full force position. I can find videos for you but basically calisthenics but very heavy weight. You want to train at your limit. By doing this you maximize the benefit of the exercise in the least amount of time possible.
Again, the principle of habits being slowly built applies here.
Watch a summary of atomic habits on YouTube.
>>40296>but I have no one to spot me or just work out withSame, but I do have sports teams on the side and after a couple of seasons I've finally found teams which are friends and do friend shit afterwards instead of just fucking off home to wank.
I don't do exercises that require spots (just have to set up the rack properly) but it's better to have an accountability buddy like a friend.
>>41166I find pistol squats max out my quad capacity. Besides that, any weighted squats would be a good start. Maybe there's some cheapish gadget you can get?
I also fear bulking. I'm not sure I'll ever bulk. I'm still struggling to lose weight. I've lost a lot but still lots to go, around 10kgs I suspect.
Cumrags, I crunched some numbers and apparently I've been going on average once per week to the gym. I do other sports, on average I go 11 times to do other sports and 4 to the gym.
I have seen some very good gains, but god damn, once a week is nothing! I was sure I was going twice a week on average. So as a next goal, I'll try to increase those numbers. The goal is to slowly increase it to 4 times a week, plus the other 11 sport activities keep them the same.
It's such an uphill battle. I can't believe I'm active half the month! It's actually pretty surprising for me. I've never been so active. The effort is well worth it, but god damn is it a shit ton of effort. From rotting in bed, depths of hell of depression, to managing to be active every other day.
If you're in a similar situation, keep it up 👍 don't get discouraged if you constantly fail. Just keep going. Failing is normal.
>>41843If you want a ""femboy build"" you first need to lose weight. There are easier and more effective ways of losing weight than not eating or doing weird diets. The most important thing about losing weight is to choose a strategy you can actually keep. As someone who has lost some weight, I can tell you that for me simply starving, eating very little, etc is sustainable only for a few days, at best a week, and you will be fucking miserable those days. After that you'll still have a bunch of weight to put off. Might as well do something you can maintain long term and still lose weight.
But if you want to eat my semen, I would gladly provide.
>>41842I fucking hate Squat University's clickbait bullshit. Even if there is good info in there, don't just put hot women in your thumbnails you fucking hack.
On that note, anon, may I interest you in >>>/siberia/427791
>>41851>may I interest you in You might, since I contributed to it and the prior thread. (Since it's at bump limit we better get that one archived and a new one started).
>hate Squat University's clickbait bullshit. Even if there is good info in there, don't just put hot women in your thumbnails you fucking hack. Fair, I only posted it because of the info and the girl.
Btw, I've lost around 6 kgs since August and put on a lot of muscle. Most of the weight lost and muscle gained have been since February. I'm way way more capable of managing my diet and calorie intake. It has taken a lot to gain the understanding of things that now seem basic. Like eating protein is good for weight loss, the key to weight loss is calorie in calorie out, etc.
I injured my rotator cuff, but in general everything is going quite well. I'm doing a cut and in a few more weeks I'll have the least amount of body fat I've had for decades, and I'm already the most muscular I've ever been.
Things are going great 👍 inshallah they'll just keep getting better.
>>41845I know I need to start cardio but I'm still building the habit of going to the gym.
>>41846EVERYONE. POST PROGRESS REPORT, RIGHT NOW!
>>41875Nice. I kind of fear doing squats because technique is so delicate and so important. Maybe if I get a coach or a seasoned gym goer.
>>41993>progress reportMy dumb ass just figured out the other day I can do rows with resistance bands like picrel instead of standing on the band and bent-over. I'm cutting so lower weight and more reps will help burn more calories and require less recovery/healing (at least that's the idea).
>I kind of fear doing squats because technique is so delicate and so important.You will be ok if you start at a beginner weight instead of doing like crossfit bozos. If you can't find a buddy to correct your form, you can set up your phone camera to record and compare to a demonstration video. Some wise people have said that you are served well if you start by squatting just the bar and focusing on perfecting the form before adding weight.
Exercises for getting a thigh gap, the channel is called Women's Workout Channel and it's actually pretty good, even for men looking for a more lean build. No clickbait either.
>Best Inner Thigh Exercises! Get a Thigh Gaphttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8Mr9XBc1HI https://files.catbox.moe/w8i2uy.mp4 Other exercises for thighs:
1. Plié
2. Plié heel lift (right)
3. Plié heel lift (left)
4. Alternating plié heel lift
5. Elevated plié pulse
Long story short, Pliés are important! Make sure to keep your core tight and breath. Can be done with weight.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGNJrmha0NM>>41994Why do you think you got depression? Good luck comrade, you can do this.
>>41996If you want to burn calories, then doing lots of low intensity exercise will help the most. Eg brisk walking for an hour or two, ideally on incline.
As for squatting, yeah, I just don't see the point. I was doing with the smith machine but I was doing too much weight and I felt it was injuring me. Maybe a day that the gym is not too full I'll give the cellphone recording a try.
>>41999Nice! What sports do you do?
>>42010I've only heard
>>42007 before too. I don't have a gap. But I do have big legs. I'm cutting so let's see how that goes.
As for a big ass, I value it highly and unfortunately don't train it enough.
>>42019>smith machinenot ideal for a lot of reasons, but in particular it won't help your form because it stabilizes the bar for you, you are much safer starting with minimum weight and making sure you get the form right.
>>42019>If you want to burn calories, then doing lots of low intensity exercise will help the mostfor sure, but I'm trying to maintain muscle mass while I lose weight so I'm still doing resistance too, just in a different "mode"
I've lost 10kgs of fat, while putting on muscle. I'm getting lots of compliments too. Only got serious about it around December. From 84 KGS to 74 KGS.
Who would've thought that doing diet actually works lmao. It was very fucking hard at first, but now I literally have to go out of my way to get more calories in, so I don't drop weight too fast and lose too much muscle. Last night I almost forgot to take my protein shake.
I've tried to lose weight throughout my life and never really succeeded. When I see fat people say that calorie reduction doesn't work on their bodies, I totally fucking get it. It feels like you only eat a pea a day and still somehow gain weight.
Start easy, comrades, and this goes for everyone looking to get more of an aesthetic build but have a few extra KGS they might want to lose, the gays looking to get a big physique, or the ones that want to get a thin or even twink look, also for the they's, and the girlies who want a toned body or a muscular build.
Start easy:
Take before a meal, whichever of your choice, dinner lunch or breakfast, whey or pea protein powder shake. And before every meal, a little Psyllium husk powder with lots or water. The goal is to eat 100+g of protein a day and fiber supplement with water on ever meal. Your body, including your gut flora, needs some time to adjust. Doing this before you even start reducing calories will make it much easier to reduce calories without feeling famished.
Just start there. Be patient. Do this for a month and if you're obese, I am confident you'll even lose a little weight without doing anything else.
If y'all want tips on going to start going to the gym let me know <3
>>42032BBBBBBAAAASED.
Long live the DPRK.
>>42334I take whey protein isolate. I bought from Bulk a flavorless one and mix it with a shitty whey one I found at the store, 50-50. That way it isn't so sweet. The store bought one has nice flavor. I didn't like the Bulk flavors I tried. I do either 60 grams or 90 grams of powder, which is like 83~% protein.
I drink it with water or milk. Sometimes I blend some berry mix in. I don't really do anything fancy. I also use creatine, 5g daily.
For bulking, I necessarily recommend eating enough protein first and foremost. That means somewhere between 100 and 160 grams of protein. With regards to muscle size, really the only thing that will make you grow is to hit the gym and do it in a way that optimizes for size (aka hypertrophy).
This means for each exercise, doing 1-2 warm up sets followed by 2-3 sets trying to set the weight so that you are essentially out of strength and can't do more after 5-8 repetitions.
Keep in mind that not getting injured is really important. So take it easy and focus. Make sure you're doing the exercises correctly, not just pushing as much as you can however you can.
Being in a calorie surplus helps as well, but if you're not a good eater then maybe you'll need to find ways to explicitly eat more calories in "sneaky" ways, or ways in which you don't struggle as much. Honestly though, I recommend just starting out with going to the gym for now and getting used to it, plus upping your protein intake. Be careful in that high protein low calorie meals might suppress your hunger and you might be eating less calories than you burn.
You might want to go more for whole foods instead of protein powders at some point, or since the start. Mostly because you're already lean.
Also, major point, sleep is very important.
And other than that, be patient! It takes some time for your body to grow. It has a ton of other benefits too like thickening your skin, making your bones more strong, making you more resistant to sugar spikes, helps with depression and anxiety, helps in sleeping. So keep those things in mind! Resistance training is not only good for aesthetics, it's a life long improvement for you!
>>42339Yeah, I've been mostly doing calisthenics and I have good body strength but I wanna up my muscle mass a little bit. I gotta work on cardio again but don't have many opportunities at the moment and I unfortunately got hooked on cigarettes these past few years which is probably a contributing factor (Got into it a while back because work stress is a bitch, but I'm trying to quit).
I eat a ton of food already, a big dinner plate of food for breakfast, lunch and dinner, plus plenty of snacks; a lot of red meat, chicken, fish sometimes, 4-5 eggs almost every day, butter vegetables of every sort, fruit of every sort, nuts, bread, honey and so on. I drink probably 1-2 gallons of water a day. Been eating like this since I was a teenager, yet still I've got almost no body fat, and struggle to keep my weight at 65kg. Ideally I wanna be about 67-70kg for my height. I'm okay with most of my body, and my core musculature is pretty good, but I want to do better. I'm caught between mesomorph and ectomorph - I've got the shoulders for Mesomorph and I have good leg, stomach and back musculature, but my chest stays pretty flat even with constant exersize and my arms are muscular but not big - in other words I'm wiry.
I'll try that protein, it might be enough of a supplement to at least help me maintain weight and actually make real muscle gain, without eating myself into debt.
>sleepHAHAHA I know,
I wishThanks for the tips brotha!
>>42367>post a pdf?Can't find any from the primary source
>pic relatedBut from what I've distilled:
<Initial phase (6-8wks up to 12mths)>Focus on all joints and their movements e.g. Knees only go forward or back, push or pull. But for shoulders you have forward, back, up, down, rotation, etc. now imagine pushing and pulling in those axis.<Find your 10RM (for each movement e.g. Lateral raises, "leg" extensions, etc.) then halve it. That is your new working weight.>Create a list that addresses mostly these single joint exercises and program them first. Try for a whole body selection, you can add variety later so just pick and stick with a movement.<This list will amount to up to 14-32 exercises, averaging out at 18-22 or "20".>You will do this list three times a week.<You can add compounds, but only after all the single joint work and if you can recover in time for the next workout.>You will add the tiniest amount of weight to any exercise you manage to hit 22-24reps on. However, some smaller joints will not be able to go past a certain weight (stall) so for these add reps up to 30-36reps.<You add every successful workout so long as you can just hit 20 reps with a 0-2RPE.>However, if you stall three workouts in a row (cannot add weight, cannot add reps), adjust recovery, food, sleep, and change the exercise type for that joint. If none of that works, then you are done and can move that exercise to the next phase.<That phase is to lower the reps to 14-16, add weight et al. as usual but now also replace a number of single joint exercises with more compunds, so you should have fewer exercises in total.>Repeat until stall, then drop to 8-10reps but do two sets instead of one. By this time you should be mostly doing compunds at this 2x8-10 range, with only a few single joints still at 1x14-20 in weaker areas.<once you stall at this level, the full General Preperation Program is finished and you should do another program based on your goals.>The end result will be your movement patterns, joints, ligaments, will be ironclad and injury proof. Repeat program for shorter periods if you stop training for long periods, are coming off an injury or, and this is important, learning a new skill or movement pattern at which point you will use exercises and joints that are relevant to the new movement pattern (e.g. Throwing a baseball in the fashion of a baseball pitcher, not cricket bowler, etc.).Hope that helps.
>>42780Put bicep curls after rows. You generally want to put more isolated movements later. You don't want a specific muscle to get tired and then be a bottleneck for a more compound movement. You are going to work those smaller more specific muscles anyway with the compound movements, so if you isolate them after you can push closer to failure for both the compound lift and the isolated one.
>Besides cardio is it missing anything obvious?- Deadlifts. You can do RDLs with dumbbells. They work different muscles than squats. You can also combine them with the rows (picrel).
- Reverse Flyes to hit your back shoulders in ways that rows won't
- Pull-ups are hard to do if you don't have a bar or equivalent but you should try to find a way to do them.
>but like the idea of doing everything with one tool.There's a limit to this that you should respect. If you want to do "pull ups" with dumbbells I guess you could hang upside down from your knees but if you can do that you might as well do regular pull ups.
>Also when do you start adding weight?In general you should be adding weight as soon as you aren't pushing failure in the rep range you're doing with that weight. If you are trying to get strong fast, you should be progressively overloading, trying to do more weight as soon as possible, even each session (you need to take rest days for that). Your rep range is more in line with hypertrophy (growth) than strength gains. It's not black and white, but generally if you want to get stronger, it works better when you lift heavier for fewer reps.
>Only the tricep extensions give me any trouble but I'd rather let those muscles catch up than have to add/take off plates mid-exerciseUnless you are doing supersets (doing one movement during the rest period of another), you will have plenty of time to adjust the weights you're using. You should expect that the weight you can lift for different movements like this is going to be different for each movement. If you insist on doing all your exercises at the same weight, that's going to restrict your progress a lot more than what you were talking about with your triceps.
The most important thing to remember though is that the routine you do is better than the one you don't, so don't try to change up too much at once. Focus instead on improving what you're already doing. Like start by adding exercises.
>>42784Thanks a lot for the detailed response, brand new to all of this
Will move the curls to after the rows but any advice on where to slot in RDL's, reverse flyes and pull-ups? I'll get a pull-up bar asap
I'm having to google a lot of the terms you're using and still probably but misunderstanding but assuming I'm not, I was indeed doing supersets which is why I was being lazy about changing weights from exercise to exercise. Judging by how each exercise feels I don't think there's a ton of overlap in the muscles being used so I didn't think the rest was strictly necessary. It seems like only the shoulder presses and tricep extensions conflict with one another whereas obviously I can go from farmer squats to bicep curls to shoulder presses without a hiccup. OTOH there's a huge variance in how much effort each exercise takes, only the tricep extensions are "pushing failure" whereas I may as well not even being doing the farmer squats and bicep curls so I think I should just rest and add/remove weight as necessary. In fact I'm realizing doing everything with the same weight was probably dumb
Sorry if I misunderstood anything and thanks again
>>42799>Judging by how each exercise feels I don't think there's a ton of overlap in the muscles being used so I didn't think the rest was strictly necessary. Correct, which is one reason to do supersets. You do want to ensure you rest between sets of the same movement, because otherwise you won't do as well as you can and won't progress as fast.
>It seems like only the shoulder presses and tricep extensions conflict with one another Correct, both use tricepts to extend the arm but they're less involved in the shoulder press. So if you fatigue them first it will make it harder to do a shoulder press. Supersetting lifts that use the same muscle groups is more advanced and if you're doing supersets you'd be better off splitting and ordering the lifts so they don't conflict like that.
>OTOH there's a huge variance in how much effort each exercise takesThat's expected since you're using the same weight for all of them. Depending on the lift you are going to be able to do heavier weight. This is mostly due to how much muscle is involved - you can lift heavier with the "compound" lifts that use more muscles. If you don't use heavier weight for movements you're stronger in, you won't advance very much if at all. You could somewhat get around this by doing more reps, but if you're squatting with the same weight you're curling you would just be turning the squats into cardio with how many you'd be doing. You need to lift heavier for certain movments. Rule of thumb is more muscles/body involved, more weight. You need to find your limit by experimenting though. See how many reps you can do at a given weight and if you can do the rep ranges you gave without failure, then bump up the weight until you feel like you're close to failure. Avoid hitting failure especially if you're new, and learn how to safely fail a lift before you start lifting anything really heavy.
>Sorry if I misunderstood anything and thanks againI think you got it. The terms might be intimidating but they're generally pretty straightforward.
>any advice on where to slot in RDL's, reverse flyes and pull-ups?If you don't superset them it's not as big of a deal, but generally you want the bigger movements first. I'd say do RDLs after squats, pull-ups as first arm lift, flyes before or after rows. There are a lot of variations on these and exactly how much you activate each muscle depends on how you do them. Just start by figuring out your routine (and adjust according to what suits you since everybody responds differently to training). Look up information on your lifts as you go. You don't have to do it all at once. Like before you start a workout look up a demo video for one of the movements and focus on trying to do that one right for that workout.
>I'll get a pull-up bar asapThere are various ones that can fit into a doorframe pretty easily, just make sure you know what you're working with measurement-wise. Just make sure you get one that is actually somewhat secure (like the ones that hook over the door frame) and not something that just squeezes to the sides of the doorway (stuff like picrel is just asking to fall and get smacked in the face).
>>42801Thanks bro. I do like the idea of supersets if only because it's faster so I think I'll do some ancillary reading to figure out how to order this and buy some more dumbbell bars if not non-adjustable dumbbells so I don't have to fiddle around with plates as I go.
>There are various ones that can fit into a doorframe pretty easilythat's where my mind went first but I also wonder if I can't kill two birds with one stone and get something that will double up as a barbell rack but that's neither here nor there
>>42784>RDLsI take it my form is fucked cuz I don't feel these working my legs/butt much even after 3 sets of squats. Rather I mostly just feel it in my lower back.
>Reverse Flyes to hit your back shoulders in ways that rows won'tYou weren't lying lol these are brutal. I was comfortably doing 25 lbs on the rows but for these Im struggling with 10 lbs. I'm going to need to break out plates that I haven't even used before cuz they're so light. Evidently they're not too light
>>43076>I take it my form is fucked cuz I don't feel these working my legs/butt much even after 3 sets of squats. Rather I mostly just feel it in my lower back. Your lower back is the "weak link" here is why. Your legs muscles are already strong enough to handle X weight but your back is not. A big thing with this sort of movement is that it requires you to have
stability strength (in this case with your core). That means strength that resists movement (in this case keeping your core straight).
> I was comfortably doing 25 lbs on the rows but for (reverse flyes) Im struggling with 10 lbs.Yeah rear deltoids and the various back muscles involved in those are very commonly under-developed. Lift at your challenge level, don't overdo it so you won't injure yourself.
>>43211>After three months I am giving up on bulkingDo three more months lean bulk, then reassess. Quitting after 90 days when it takes
months for mucsle is ngmi
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