Now that the dust has settled, what's your verdict?
224 posts and 31 image replies omitted.>>34672Nah
I should note that I'm a bit biased against genre fiction in general
Even stuff like Le Guin turns me off
>>34681genre fiction is infinitely more interesting than
''literary' fiction
>>34472>Spends Roberts rebellion siting in his castle and then joins the side that already won, even though the insane king fucking hated him and suspected him to be traitor, which he confirmed by refusing his call to arms in the first placeThis is pretty clever, not sure why you thought it would refute that
>have member of Martell family brutally murdered, ensuring generations-long blood feud, in order to get on the good side of a guy who had just forgiven his open enemies no-strings-attached.That probably wasn't his fault, just the Mountain's bloodlust
>Declare war on two of the great houses, one of which is headed by the Hand of the King, and also kings best friend.His children started the feud with the Starks, he just went all in post hoc because he didn't want to seem like he was backing down from defending his family
>>34882>This is pretty clever, not sure why you thought it would refute thatBecause if Mad King won, Tywin would most likely end up on pyre. Helping squash the rebellion might put Tywin back in kings favour, joining rebellion would increase their chance of deposing Mad King, staying neutral was the worst option Tywin could take.
>That probably wasn't his fault, just the Mountain's bloodlustIf that is the case, prudent thing to do would be to immediately chopped Mountains head off for a.) gross disobedience; and b.) as peace offering to Martels.
>His children started the feud with the StarksWhich he, as arguably the second most powerful person in Westeros, could at least try to solve diplomatically, turn the situation to his favour. Instead he went berserk because his pride was slighted. Again, he made stupid decision that could have costed him head if luck was not on his side.
>>34885>Helping squash the rebellion might put Tywin back in kings favour, joining rebellion would increase their chance of deposing Mad King, staying neutral was the worst option Tywin could take. Not really. There aren't really any obvious choices to take during a war.
>If that is the case, prudent thing to do would be to immediately chopped Mountains head off for a.) gross disobedience; and b.) as peace offering to Martels.Lol and lose the loyalty of one of his best shock troops?
>Which he, as arguably the second most powerful person in Westeros, could at least try to solve diplomatically, turn the situation to his favour. Instead he went berserk because his pride was slighted. Again, he made stupid decision that could have costed him head if luck was not on his side.This is feudalism. Also the Starks were already slighted heavily and were definitely going to strike back. Going all in was the best choice, and in the end he even managed to neutralize them with the Red Wedding.
>>34888>888Checked
>>34653 To be honest we just think he's shit in general.
>>34885Wasn't the thing, though, that Tywin
didn't stay neutral? He fully intended to take a side and eventually did, he just waited until he knew what side would win.
I may remember it wrong. >>37111season 2 is fine, it's just a lot of "two people talking to each other in a room". i think the red flags were already there in 3, the dialog starts to feel more "modern", nobles in feudalism don't talk like that. i think hotD did that a bit better, they gave them their own jargon.
season 5 is the last one that is at least watchable, but the rest utter trash. i couldn't help but laugh at the battle of the bastards, like that battle tactic with the encirclement is so fucking comical
>>37115I think season 5 is when they stop using "rapers" and use "rapists" instead, which is a small thing but triggered my autism.
>>37116I think all the actors came out of it alright. Most went on to have big Hollywood movie roles.
>>37116>but wasn't it kind of a career killer for them?No.
It took up a lot of time for them but it got them lots of exposure. Peter Dinklage probably did the best out of all of them, Emilia Clarke maybe second? But I think for the main case they are able to just enjoy the money and aren't under pressure to keep working.
>>37151>talkslopkek
new level of cope unlocked
>>37152Everyone liked the later seasons that's why they got more viewers the only issue was S8 was a rushed piece of shit so the backlash from that crowded out all other memories.
>>37153If I wanted to be talked at to death I'd just boot up the old Soviet archives and look at hundreds of pages of Molotov and everyone else in the Central Committee being petty to each other. That's the same energy. It's fine IRL if you're actually working for a state but boring as shit in an ENTERTAINMENT industry.
>>37116Khal Drogo guy plays Aquaman in the MCU including as the main protagonist in a movie coming out in December
Peter Dinklage is in the new Hunger Games prequel and that movie about the playwright
>>36423In case the Embed dies: People Ruin - Game of Thrones
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>>39667>>39672Lena Headey and Sean Bean were already established actors. Kit Harington and Emilia Clarke came in as nobodies, and were honestly lacklusters even though they were supposed to be the main guys making to the end. Everything else they did afterwards was a flop.
In retrospect Clarke's acting was really atrocious ("WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS!"). The chick they got for young Rhaenera in HotD played pretty much the same role, a young, impulsive Targaryen girl, and does a far better job.
>>39725>Lena Headey and Sean Bean were already established actors True, but Lena Headey wasn't exactly very well-known prior to GoT.
>The chick they got for young Rhaenera in HotD played pretty much the same role, a young, impulsive Targaryen girl, and does a far better job. Aye, House of the Dragon took some of the best elements of GoT and got some real talent into the roles.
>"WHERE ARE MY DRAGONS!"Terrible acting, but honestly worth the sheer keks it gives me every time I hear it.
>>39731>>39725Emilia Clarke was at a huge disadvantage since she was trained for stage acting, not screen acting. When you're like 100 feet away from the audience you have to really exaggerate your acting, and it looks like shit when you do it 5 feet from a camera. That's the reason for everything she did being so over-the-top. You have to re-train to act for the screen, and she didn't for a while. She also had two brain aneurysms near the start of the show (between the first 2 seasons IIRC), and that will give anybody a hard time.
Idk what Kit Harrington's excuse is lol.
>>40419>Emilia Clarke was at a huge disadvantage since she was trained for stage acting, not screen acting Fucking nonsense excuse, some of the best film actors in history began as stage actors. Stage acting is in fact what most modern actors lack.
>When you're like 100 feet away from the audience you have to really exaggerate your acting No, you don't. That is today's modern take on stage acting and is why most stage plays I've seen in the past decades are fucking trash.
>That's the reason for everything she did being so over-the-top. The Camera is right there, she's performing on a greenscreen or on a set a few feet away from the crew and director, which would be equivalent to small-stage. To be fair, even if she didn't realize this, the Director's role is literally to stop and correct her and make sure the take goes well, so she's not entirely to blame.
>She also had two brain aneurysms near the start of the show Ah, I actually did not know that, in which case that at least explains the acting, even if it doesn't make it good.
Kit Harrington is the same as Emilia - modern "stage training" except he doesn't have her excuse of the aneurysms and what not.
I'm not being mean to her, she's probably a nice girl and probably tried her best, but her acting was still over the top.
>>40432>That is today's modern take on stage acting and is why most stage plays I've seen in the past decades are fucking trashAnd that's the kind she was trained in…
>some of the best film actors in history began as stage actorsYes and they also learned how to act for the screen.
>Fucking nonsense excuseNo it isn't, when your muscle memory is a certain way you have to train yourself to do it differently.
>she's performing on a greenscreen or on a set a few feet away from the crew and director, which would be equivalent to small-stageIdk what you mean by this, what theater stage has audience members sitting as close as a camera gets in a closeup?
> the Director's role is literally to stop and correct herCorrect. It's also something where if it's a persistent problem the production should hire an acting coach to help fix it. That doesn't change the nature of what she was doing wrong thoughever.
>that at least explains the actingProbably she was too busy getting medical attention and recovery to get coaching needed to fix the issue.
>Kit Harrington is the same as Emilia - modern "stage training"He has the opposite problem if anything, especially in the beginning and end.
>>40435>when your muscle memory is a certain way you have to train yourself to do it differently. Yes and no. For example when Diving you train to breath with the mouth and not push air out through your nose, and unless you've got some problems in reigning yourself in, you can do this by merely staying conscious of the fact and proceeding carefully. The same can apply to acting, especially when she has a director there who should be reminding her of things. That being said, as you mentioned with her aneurysms and what-not, it's excusable in this case.
>what theater stage has audience members sitting as close as a camera gets in a closeup?There is Small and Big Stage performances. Small Stage is when audiences are often right up close and the performance area is (obviously) smaller and up-close. I've been to a few in my time.
>He has the opposite problem if anything I suppose in some way yes, though proper facial expression is also a problem I've seen in modern stage performances, either over or under acting a role/scene/character.
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