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Could they beat goku at normal form?
If not, coal.

>>44114
You risk the stone and the gems get severe mutations, cancer and may turn into zombies.

Also their forms are made of light, and are also they are considerably fragile. Instead of receiving a wound, their forms just poof and they become extremely vulnerable. In this form, only the gems remain, and this stage can remain for days.

the scifi game i'm conceptualizing in my head has empires that could defeat them, next

>>44115
They wouldn’t even notice his presence.

Seriously, shit like the ‘cluster’ make me remember how fucking horrifying this empire actually is. These fuckers literally smashed together members of their own species into a massive hulk of biocybernetic tissue capable of destroying entire planets casually. How many species would’ve been fucked up by that? Would the orrikin empire have stood a chance against these abominations? Even the fucking mechnovores of the daot weren’t that broken

What about Supreme Commander factions though? Or Spore's Grox Empre?

>>44120
I truly hate how the series ended with the literal fascist empire just ended being friends with the crystal gems. I love that a series about a revolutionary group fighting for liberation and equality ended up with such an interesting finale, where the upper classes just gave up on their privilege and power peacefully, merciful and pious as they are…
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I remember the best fanfics i read of steven universe were the ones depicting the revolution of Rose Quartz on earth, when the crystal gems were more than just 4 people living on a beach. Pearl being a true renegade, writing and spreading theory to incite revolt, contacting other pearls in underground secret meetings, that kinda stuff really gets me going. Yes it is infantile, yes it is cliche, yes Steven Universe is a liberal cartoon, and the crystal gem revolution is probably based on the American and French revolution, not the Soviet one, but i like it nonetheless. I like stories of good revolutionaries beating up nazis. Also the empire in most part of the series is mysterious, you don't really know how much power they have, who are their leaders, how they changed from the period of Rose to Steven, etc. That is interesting.

>>44122
If only the series wasn’t written for Cartoon Network man. Korra also had the same problem of discussing mature politics and ideas for an audience that’s too young to understand such ideas. Coincidentally the authors of both series are genuinely not equipped to discuss ideas like sexual assault, class society, or revolutions themselves.

Actually, I’m now realizing how infantilized most western media is. It’s not just the entertainment, the way westerners treat their own history and politics is insufferably childish.

>>44123
Hold on, I’m going to go on a tangent

There are so many examples of infantilism and immaturity present in every sector of western society. Nearly all their entertainment is so fucking loud, long, and devoid of meaning.

Another is the portrayal of slavery. Americans especially are taught a hyper simplified idea of what slavery was and looked like, but aren’t taught anything related to the subsequent revolts, massacres, ethnic cleansings, vigilantism, and migration crises that would all collectively contribute to the literal and political violence necessary to send the USA and much of the rest of the Americas into major wars. It’s criminal knowing how many Americans aren’t aware of the fact that they’re lucky to not have been hit by several civil wars instead of just one given how fucking violent slavery was. If these fuckers can fail with maturely describing something that important to their history, imagine how much they fail at everything else.

McCarthyism and poor public education basically destroyed any awareness most western proletarians had in their understanding of how ownership over commodities and relationships influences power dynamics. Western media shoves pacifism everywhere in its morality even towards things and people do not have any right to receive any form of forgiveness or even acceptance into society. Even their debates are insufferably childish in their presentation. There’s no professionalism or maturity in so much of it. Even the so called ‘conservative’ shitheads somehow always end up being the most childish and uncivilized people in the west.

>>44124
I get that cartoons history was always filled with meaningless violence, but pushing pacifism as the solution to all problems
is just as infantile. "Modern psychologists" have studied cartoons for years, and the impacts of small children on seeing inappropriate or violent content are also documented, but Steven Universe is not a cartoon for small babies who can't distinguish good from bad, they need to think about what is appearing on the screen and be critical about it.

I agree with the points made in the tangent, about childish behavior and culture not being limited to children but to "western society" as a whole, the use of historical cliches, like slavery in america, to do world building, but not going any deep than critique the societies of 300 years ago, and remain silent about the wars and genocides of today, much more complex and close to reality. Professionalism and maturity are lacking in the public space worldwide, lots of inflammatory speech with nothing to back them up, since everything is just theatre for the demagoges.

But i don't know if i agree with the article posted. Sure, adults may act infantile today, and have "unrealistic" expectations of reality, since they are are blinded by modern consumerist culture, but the solution for the problem is clearly and unapologetic liberal. "Restoring capitalism to what it was", " a productive way of meeting real economic needs, from supply (or push) back to demand (or pull), ", "Democracy as an opposition to "capitalist hegemony"", etc. It is a study who puts too much time defending "human spiritual needs", "freedom of choice", and ignoring almost on purpose all the material reasons the world is the way it is now, even mocking the communists for trying to go against the inevitable absolute will of the market.

And i must question, are people, or the proletariat, infantile for not living in real, material and concrete misery? It is easy to mock the religious fanatics or the childish and consumerist adults, or stupid politicians, but all of those have the same similar stench of desperation and nihilism. People who live in misery will always seek salvation, even as just as a form of placebo. Especially in the US, were salaries have stagnated in relation to GDP growth since the 1970-80 if i recall correctly. Capitalism may look like as an godly-like force, just as dangerous as the Steven Universe empire, and the only 2 options that capitalist media can provide are from one side nihilism, consumerism and total obedient alienation, or "lifestylism", "supra-consumerism" and "democratic anti-status-quo action", or other make-belief ideology that can never be proven wrong or right, but at least gives some form of relation with a community, and a infinitessiaml hope for the future.

WE NEED TO KILL CAPITALISM, THIS THE ONLY WAY, WE NEED TO KILL DEMOCRACY RIGHT FUCKING NOW, POGGERS!!!!

So my measure for how truly over powered a sci fi faction can be has a few baselines depending on the amount of weight you pull. With any empire that's greater than a Type 3 civilization I ask myself one question: how would they fair against the Interim Coalition of Governance? Nine times out of ten the Coalition completely swamps them, like they could easily sweep all the 40k factions even at peak strength because they are both that strong and even more determined to kill you. With the Gem Empire it's a bit of a tossup, the Gems not being made of biological matter and their ability to harvest inorganic resources to make more of themselves and even produce weapons capable of cracking planets is certainly out of the ordinary for Coalition humanity, and the sturdier ones would probably be able to survive the heat from basic GUT blasts. They could fight the Coalition to a stalemate for some time if they invaded the Milky Way, but in a war of attrition the Coalition wins. The Coalition makes a regular practice of farming trillions of child soldiers from living wombs who are indoctrinated to levels exceeding even the quartz Gems (to the point where one of them thinking about a concept that goes against the Coalition's doctrine causes her to nearly commit suicide on instinct) and would have no problem doing even worse things to dead Gems to make them more effective weapons. That's assuming the Gems dont exhaust their resources in brutal galactic trench warfare with the Coalition, who again will ultimately breed child soldiers faster than the Gems can produce new Gems.

The biggest issue in the long run would be the implication given to the Coalition that life an exist in inorganic forms, leading to panic attempts at finding out new ways to mass sterilize rocks and gems to prevent the possibility of them ever becoming sentient, up to and including destroying their own planets just to be sure. Maybe if the Gems do a zerg rush precision strike they could squeak out a victory, but unfortunately it looks like humanity wins again

Op, have you never heard of the Xeelee before?

If not watch this video. Yes It's about what factions can beat 40k and the Xeelee Sequence is at the end.

I also think civilizations like the Time Lords at their peak could also defeat the Gem Empire.

Some Examples of their abilities:
<It has been claimed in expanded universe material that the Time Lords are the only Type V Kardashev civilization, capable of making use of the energy from the multiverse:

<Even a single Time Lord can rank well above galactic energy levels. The Doctor has caused at least one supernova when needed, which produce 1045W (100 foes over 10 seconds) during stellar collapse. The Master built 100,000 Black Hole Converters, which probably harness the same energy conversion of the gravitational potential energy to neutrinos.

<The Eye of Harmony is the primary power source for Time Lord civilisation and consists of an ultramassive star frozen in time at the moment it collapses into a black hole (as first revealed in The Deadly Assassin). This stellar event was created in the distant past by the earliest Time Lords, including Rassilon and Omega (who apparently has a thing for black holes). The TARDIS itself, as shown in "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS" and the TV Movie, contains either a direct link to this Eye of Harmony, or its own copy (which would explain how it continues to function despite Gallifrey's absence).

<The Hand of Omega, a "remote stellar manipulator" invented by Omega, was a device used by the first Time Lords to customise stars. It looks like a large metal coffin or casket, but it's likely to be extradimensional like a lot of Time Lord technology, with the casket form being its only extension into our universe. It was certainly capable of causing a regular star to turn supernova and destroy its solar system in a matter of minutes, and it's heavily implied, given what the Daleks try to do with it in Remembrance of the Daleks, that the Hand of Omega might even have been used to create the original Eye of Harmony.

<An expanded universe novel, "The Taking of Planet 5", features a Time Lord weapon called a parallel cannon, which could open a pinhead-sized wormhole to the core of a star made of antimatter undergoing a supernova collapse. A single shot from a parallel cannon in the book destroyed an entire forest and vaporised a mountain. If a parallel cannon were left on, it would punch a hole through Earth in three hours. The Time Lords considered them antique, bordering on obsolete. And they are handheld weapons.

<Other expanded universe novels ("Interference" and "Damaged Goods") introduce us to the Cold and N-Forms. Both are exotic extradimensional weapons that exist outside of regular spacetime and can make life very unpleasant (or, if they're feeling merciful, very short) for Time Lord enemies.

< Their ultimate weapon (in the old series) is so powerful that only the Lord President of Gallifrey can wield it, and it requires a hidden key that only they know about in order to operate. The weapon in question is the Demat Gun. It doesn't just destroy a target, it erases the target from time and space so that the target never existed in the first place, with nobody even remembering what the target was.

< In the new series, we are introduced to the final work of the ancient Gallifreyans, "The Moment." Described as a "galaxy-eater", it was so advanced and powerful, it actually became sentient, and according to the legends (shown to be true), it developed a conscience, producing an interface and taking the shape of someone its wielder would know (past, present, or future) in order to communicate with them. The Time Lord General fully points out, how does one use a weapon of ultimate destruction, when it can stand in judgment of you? The Moment doesn't want to be used, and anyone intending to do so must face its judgement. It can also move people around through time (and even through time-locked events) with ease. It's even neatly portable, being roughly the size of a shoebox (although, seeing as it's Time Lord technology, it may very well be much Bigger on the Inside). Russell T Davies wrote a short story about the end of the Time War for the 50th anniversary that was then published online, and although definitely not canon because of "The Day of the Doctor", he suggests in it that the Moment is a very sophisticated type of N-Form.

the COAL empire got btfo by their own feelings

>>44144
rude no u

I had a bizarre dream where a new steven universe series was made alongside the dragon ball universes where the diamonds fought agaisnt gohan on his ultimate form.