Fuck it I'll do it now >you only responded because you were seething at how right I am <more yapping
Imagine being this self-absorbed. I responded because you actually spread some outright harmful claims and fallacious arguments that any aspiring martial artist may take to heart and get roflstomped for their trouble. >I'm not goin to read [wtf was said] <proceeds to reply based on wtf was said
Ok lol>that’s not saying much then, it always boils down to who is more well rounded
So you're not actually arguing my point, just being contrarian, you've "abused"/"disabused" nothing>some martial arts styles are better for the physical fitness and conditioning
Sure like Capoera, but not in the case of TKD, TKD is more rounded than Karate and Karate has held up in its abilities fairly decently. I'm also not talking about the rigid formalized TKD that you se on big TVs, that's not even close to actual TKD fighting because you're specifically discouraged to use hands in such matches. The same applies to Muay Thai in Japanese KD1 - they limit the movesets by taking points or outright banning certain moves. WTF TKD takes points for boxing or leg grabs meaning that 2/3 of the moveset is removed and that isn't enough against a grappling and boxing based fighter of a similar level, the same can be said of Muay Thai, if you remove grabbing you completely remove their main counter to kicks. The modern TKD competitive trains only to fight in WTF TKD competitions not against other style fighters.>They are not even close
I took Kick-boxing and Muay Thai and the basic move sets are almost the same, the differences being in the variations of their use and sometimes stance, as seen in any MMA fight that has kick-boxers and Muay Thai. Obviously official Kick-Boxing matches have more limitations, but real fights do not have them. The same can be said of official Judo see >>18905
That's also the reason >>20456
exists - the kickboxer involved, though skilled was too rigid and set in fighting by the rules and so couldn't counter as he could have (and as later kickboxers did) but I digress. Point is you're splitting hairs. >no it can’t just be corrected with a teacher<I fucked up because I'm inattentive so the martial art is bad, not me!
Fuck off. >look at any freaking olympic TKD match and you’ll see them fall down repeatedly on their ass>doing overextended kicks <Using Olympics as an example <using outliers of people doing high performance demonstrative kicks as examples
Doing a tornado kick is not the same as a fucking actual combat application, it's an intentionally demonstrative flashy kick meant for events like the Olympics that specifically limit techniques, not actual combat nor is it a part of actual regular TKD training for anyone NOT on performance teams. That is the reason I say you're off, you base this off performances based in very confined rule-based settings; street fights do not have rules nor do regular full-contact matches.
The fight has TKD at a loss because he only uses his legs and moreover does not use ANY basic techniques less complicated than a turning side kick. The reason being point scoring. The Muay Thai fighter's only limitation is to stand straight and not get down as they usually do, but that is a far lesser limitation. >the opponent just dodges them
Again it's an individual basis, it's a higher risk attack but the pay-off is a kick that can T.K.O an opponent.
Examples using full-contact sparring that has less limitations than Olympic shit: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeQXmS24uyA&ab_channel=EVOLVE-ForRootKnowledgeofMartialArts
>tkd grappling and fistwork is weak.
That's not true, Muay Thai specializes in those areas so obviously it'll be better there, but it's lacking in legs compared to TKD that is more rounded. TKD is not SPECIALIZED but basic grappling is at least on the level of or above classic wrestling. At 145 lbs I managed to beat and pin a wrestler that had double my mass in a wrestling match in High School just using my TKD grappling. TKD also has better fist-work than Karate and bases itself off of boxing in a lot of the techniques. Hell my teachers regularly had us do no-leg sparring focusing on boxing-type situations to acclimate us to this. A lot of formal competitions exclude this despite punches and blocks being a major part of the original TKD in the ROK Army.
>practical application a proper low kick to your knee joint will leave you crippled<implying TKD doesn't have such kicks in spades<implying that raising your leg (or kicking out) doesn't just let the kick go under you and let you crush their extended foot
You need to cool off bud. >what’s really easy to sweep? A dumbass tkd high kick >sweep a HIGH kick
You're not understanding, I mean literally snapping out and knocking aside a leg going in low and using the opponent's momentum to lay them out. You cannot feasibly do the same to a properly executed high-kick there's a reason you duck or catch higher kicks in ANY martial art that isn't pretending or being held back by Olympic rules. >happen in a flash
Given any decently skilled fighter that can happen to just about ANY kicking type, you're arguing martial arts like they're an action character and not a MARTIAL ART that is learned and done by individuals of varying skill and ability. >overemphasis on high kicks would lead to a higher chance on ending up on the ground and whatever grappling tkd has would not be enough to save you there.
My experiences say otherwise and it's not an overemphasis, you're exaggerating, again, based on competitives. >If you don’t spot your just flailing your limbs
No, no you are not. The point of the technique is to do it so fast that you only tear your eyes away at the last moment. Use it right and you strike a massive hit>its the luck of the draw
No, it's technique, apply it the situation and fight properly. Maybe think of it like a video-game, you don't just do super-moves randomly.>you cannot physically do a spin kick without turning your head<t.didn't read carefully
I literally stated YOU LOOK BACK AS YOU ENTER THE SPIN, it's not like you're looking into space before this. You look over your shoulder as you turn, not before, using the momentum to turn your head faster instead of spotting like an idiot. Spotting results in 1 thing, getting side-stepped by an attentive opponent. I've done that before against Black Belts a rank above me that thought they'd fool around against me.>if you spin first your opponent still would not know if its a punch a kick a fake
Spinning backfist is also in the TKD repertoire, and no martial art spots before using it because that's retarded. A fake is rare because it's a big risk and requires sufficient skill. I've pulled it off before, faking and then doing a wheelkick and KOd an opponent, but this requires training and is situational, like any martial art. >doesn’t protect vitals
That's 90% of martial arts, you keep your dukes up, and legs bent and your mid-section gets blocked or dodged. The Olympic and competitive TKD goes for a glass cannon approach and doesn't do hands up because point-counting. >high center of gravity
and wider legs to compensate, not to mention that boxing and most non-grappling focused martial arts do this, individual skill still matters, see McGregor vs Mayweather - personal opinions about them as people aside, MacGregor's grappling kick-boxing style should have beaten boxing, but didn't. >Your opponent is not going to be guessing anything from a fucking bounce
They are, they'll be risking that the next "bounce" is going to be a kick or a fakeout >throws you off balance
The hell are you on about. If anything it lets you take a charge easier because you can move in the air and not get dragged. This is basics of Wrestling grappling, let alone any full martial art. >shuffling
I suggest you observe Ali in his hey-day and the reason his shuffling didn't let him down, he had speed and practice, that's the key.>durr muh energy
Unless you're doing Olympic fights or controlled sparring energy conservation is unnecessary in a real bout, dragging it out is uncertain as fuck. Yemelyanenko and numerous heavy MMA fighters rely on this but inevitably one of them ends up losing the stamina race. >if they dont last long then you shouldn’t be adding more risk factors
They don't last long because it's usually a fast beat down after one good and sometimes risky hit takes the cake. Most streetfights just do punches but high kicks can be a game-changer, even a basic high front kick is major because you can keep people out of arms reach and lay out punishment. >inb4 leg grab
There is a reason you retract legs after a kick, Every leg grab I have seen is because of bad kicking discipline - using a kick too close or not retracting the legs. Even then, if you're not a dumbass you can use that to your advantage.
So TL;DR: You have said nothing of note, just contrarianism or just "Noooo". So fuck off.