No.5237[View All]
Comrades let's have a thread for martial arts, combat sports and self defense. Striking, grappling, all styles welcome (except fake ass shit). Let's talk about training, techniques, fights, fighters, etc. Here's a fun fact: One of the many achievements of the soviets was founding their own combat system, sambo, which proved to be extremely effective and is still widely practiced today. Also, Judo orange belt here (AMA if you want)
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>>31722What's the minimum combos and techniques?
No.32116
>>32100>so my question is why did Judo and Greco-Roman wrestling out of every other regional wrestling style in the planet, develop far more complete and technique grappling styles, to the point where every modern martial arts incorporates the two in some wayImperialism, world wars, colonisation, and The Olympics.
No.32767
>>32757>a MMA fighter wants to get on top of someone and use the good ol' ground-and-pound, a Karate guy in the same situation will do the sameAnd both loose their balls against an someone who experienced fighting in no holds barred situation. When you "get on top" of someone mma-style your crtoch is exposed in a way that you can't even properly defend it. Efen if i can't roperly strike it, i can grab it and twist and pull it in a way that you will forget your name, much less how to fight.
Both karate and mma are just some sports with almost no relation to actual fights. They are developed to fit the specific rules of the copetitions they are participating in. Of course doing them you develop some general skills and traits that are gonna be useful in any melee fight, like physical fitness, ability to endure pain, judging he distance, but you also get the baggage of "techniques" that are developed for very narrow conditions and that can be deadly. For example ground fight in mma style can be crippling or deadly on it's own on the street where the pavement is very hard, has a lot of sharp corners and shit like broken glass and sometimes metal rods busting through concrete. And that's in a simple one-on-one situation, when there is more that one guy aginst you, even if you are not alone by yourself, going to the ground is probably the worst thing you can do.
In short, anyone who argues which "style" of sport is better, doesn't know shit about actual fighting.
No.32768
>>32767first off friend, you are on imageboard no one here take your "I'm a badass boasts" seriously
second effective fighting styles come from competitions and sparring while all the hypothetical "muh deadly technique" are just that, pure hypotheticals
a trained kick-boxer, BJJ guy, MMA guy even a hardcore full contact karate guy will have a better chance then some dude whose willing to "the forbidden moves" also life isn't a fighting manga where guy will only use their exact style in the street they would do in a Gym
No.32774
>>32768From competitions and sparrings come the styles that are evolved to be maximally effective under the rules of those competitions, disregarding everything else. It isn't about "deadly styles" you stupid mf, it is about the fact that if you startmounting someone on the street, you are in no position to defend yourself when his fried walks up to you and kiks you in the head or take out knife and do something funny with your kidney. If you are standing on your own twos, then you can at least run away, but not if you are grappling. That's why we have regular news about ome champ being beaten by some hooligans and now needs a tube to breathe. Happened more than once where i live in. In fact i have a friend who did sambo and he crippled himself because he did same shit he usually does in competitions and sparrings but met with pavement instead of soft mat.
>pure hypotheticals I literally explained to you the specific weakness of the "mounting" position. You can go to your gym and try it out to see if i'm right.
>life isn't a fighting manga where guy will only use their exact style in the street they would do in a GymYeah and suddenly they are only slightly better than untrained person because instead of relying on reflexes, they have to think what to do. You can only effectively use moves that you have trained to the point where you don't need to think about them, otherwise your reaction time goes to shitter. That's like the whole point of training, otherwise you could've just read a book about some moves and instantly use them only bothering with physical training.
Have you actually sparred even or competed? Because even those from competitive sports understand that much. That's like fundamental shit about fighting.
No.32775
>>32768Also, you literally use pictures from some manga and then explaining to me that "life isn't manga". Kek.
No.32777
>>32775It was an image I had on my PC that I decided to use it to illustrate that Karate is better then most mumbo jumbo chi stuff but still worse then an actual comperative fighting style like Muay Thai, Kickboxing and MMA
>>32774>Have you actually sparred even or competed? Because even those from competitive sports understand that much. That's like fundamental shit about fighting.again I don't pretend to be a badass or whatever, I did some full contact Karate when I was a teenager(between 12-15) and joined a Boxing gym when I was older, I was never above mediocre or half way decent, but I know enough to know a fight is like, even when I was doing Karate I could still make a proper punch and hit, granted I live in Pakistan and people here are on the wimpy side, like there's no concept or recreation physical exercise or even school exercise, 90% of guys have never done a push up in their lives
No.32778
>>32777Well, if you use manga illustrations in your posts maybe don't say that other people think life is like a fighting manga. It looks like a projection.
Anyway, it's not about being badass. I lost more fights than i won and i run away from even more than that. But i survived and kept my health more or less intact in a 90s Russia. And i have seen many strong guys from competitive sports loose either or both because they have relied on the reflexes and assumptions they have acquired for those competitions. The simplest example would be boxer breaking his hand because he struck into hard part of the opponent's skull (or some other hard body part) and never learned how to actually strike with bare fists because he used gloves all the time. I know my sambo friend who broke a kneecap because he tried to grapple some guy's leg but forgot that he is not on a soft mat and busted it too hard on a pavement. And i heard about couple of grapplers who mounted some guy only for his friend to get behind them and break the head with pipe or stab with a switchblade in the back.
When you are used to fighting in the same way in the same environment using same techniques you are gonna use them in real situation before you can even think wherever you should. Real fights can happen in a vast variety of situation in multiple different environments. They also tend to resolve way faster than competitions where fighters have leisure to feel their opponents and formulate strategy, most of the real fights, if at least one of the fighters knows what he is doing, will happen in the timeframe of 5-10 seconds. There are many other differences, it would take a dozens posts to write about all of them in detail, but in short - real fights and competitions are vastly different, so there isn't any style that is used for competitions that would be much better than others in actual fight, since they are all pretty bad at it due to completely different environment.
I am not pretending to be some master of some Real (c) Effective (tm) martial art, just someone who dabbled in several styles of competitive sports and have an experience of fights where your health and sometimes life is on the line. In my opinion, actual martial atrs that would be used in those situations would require completely different training from what competitive fighting style offer. Traditional aren't much better because without actual use of those martial arts, in real situations on real people, all you have is cargo cult for "ancient techniques" where you don't even understand what situation they are made for.
From Russia, with love.
No.32779
>>5237How do I get into martial arts and self defense without risking being injured?
No.32784
>>32778like I said, in my country a lot of people just don't have any interest sports or fitness outside cricket, diet is shit as well(oiled up desi woods with lots of nann(bread) and 0 protein) and again no culture of recreation exercise
guys in the rural areas are usually fitter and not skinny obese cause of hard labor and better diets(mean, milk, vegetables and eggs) but they don't know how to exercise either
No.32785
>>24150People in MMA wear gloves.
No.32786
>>32784What, no one even tried to rob you or something? You don't have crime in your country?
Fighting is not really about excrcise.
No.32787
>>32786I have been mugged 3 times, but they all had guns right to my face so I didn't even think about doing shit, bike muggings are very common here and its more or less the same formula
2 guys on a bike just come right at you, the guy at the back holds a gun up to your face, demands your phone and wallet, you give them that and they leave in a flash
No.32788
>>32787So, you didn't even noticed them till they were right in your face? Gotta say, for a guy who laughs at bullshido and tries to teach other people about effective martial arts you are complete crap as a fighter.
No.32789
>>32788nta but that post drew me out of orbit with it's stupidity.
No.32790
>>32788thousands of motorcyclists pass by me and other guys daily, you can't predict who will have guns and try to mug you, I was robbed in board daylight mind you
No.32791
>>32790You can if you pay attention. They aren't just randomly riding like everybody else and then suddenly making you a target in a microsecond. They pick and choose their targets and locations. If you don't have your head up your ass and actually start looking around and analyzing people's behaviour and surroundings, you can see what's coming. At least watch the videos catching them doing that ad try to use your brain.
>>32789Perception and ability to make correct decision in a split second is way more important for martial artist than havgin a good mawashi geri.
No.32799
>>32788>>32791>muh videosShut up fag. I'm sure that anon has 10x more situational awareness than yourself being that he's experienced this IRL multiple times. I can say I've been blessed to never be mugged at gun point. I would fold too the second the gun came out. Maybe they won't shoot you maybe they will, a lot of idiots like you who thought they could action-movie their way out of situations got killed like that.
The best advice is don't go places where shit like that happens, but maybe that's not a luxury he can afford.
You sound like you're a bong thinking like how they do it there in your no guns land and how everyone is doing a quick grab and dash.
No.32802
>>32800Seems like every fight you can see the victor early on and just wait for the loser to slowly get worse over several rounds.
No.32809
>>32799At least learn how to read, shithead.
>I can say I've been blessed to never be mugged at gun point.So you admit you know nothing about it
>you who thought they could action-movie their way out of situations got killed like thaCompletely fucking opposite to the point i was making, retard
>You sound like you're a bongTwo posts earlier i said i was russian and lived through 90s Russia. You can read what it was like.
No.32810
>>32809So you were mugged at gunpoint?
>Completely fucking opposite to the point i was making, retardShut up fuckwad you made no point.
>Completely fucking opposite to the point i was making, retard.>two posts earlieryou couldv'e tagged that.
But still you never said when you had a gun pointed at your face and what you did.
No.32811
>>32810For the record I had a gun pointed at my head and I'll tell you what I did, I folded. No shame in my game. I'm still breathing.
No.32812
>>32810>So you were mugged at gunpoint?Gunpoint, knifepoint and someother points too.
>Shut up fuckwad you made no point. Just because you can't fucking read to save your life is no excuse for being this retarded. The whole point of the post you replied to, illiterate shitstain, is to be perceptive and analyze the situation and behaviour of the people around you to understand when you goona get in trouble. In fact just by doing that you reduce the chances of being robbed in the frist place because people who do that are not stupid and they target dumbfucks like you who walk around with earplugs and face attached to your iphone.
Just fucking try and find ANYTHING in my post the you replied to where i talk about fighting people with guns, faggot.
>you couldv'e tagged that.So i need to tag every fucking post i made here in every fucking post i make just because you are too stupid to follow a simple coversation between two people? Nah, eat shit, you mogoloid.
>But still you never said when you had a gun pointed at your face and what you did.I learned to avoid situations like that in the first place. By not putting my head into my ass and paying attention to my surroundings. So that solution is probably not for you, since you need a serious surgery to get your head out of your rectum.
No.32813
>>32812Lol ok, you still haven't given one illustration. So a man with a gun is approaching you to rob you, what do you do?
No.32814
>>32812>Just fucking try and find ANYTHING in my post the you replied to where i talk about fighting people with guns, faggot.Then what the fuck are you talking about? Guy was talking about being robbed at gunpoint and you're saying you have no idea how to deal with guns.
No.32815
>>32814Are you intentionally pretending to be retarded? Well, you succeded.
>Then what the fuck are you talking about? >>32799 This is you fucking reply to me, let's see what you have said.
<a lot of idiots like you who thought they could action-movie their way out of situations got killed like that.So, now either own up that you are an illiterate dumbfuck orquote me where i have said in my post that you have replied to that you should go all karate on someone who pointed the gun at you.
>>32813>Lol ok, you still haven't given one illustration.Well, if someone approaches you with a gun you should jump him and get yourself killed. Or kneel before him and ask him to end your suffering. The sooner the better. That would be my advice to you.
No.32816
>>32815Excellent advice faggot.
No.32819
>>32809>Two posts earlier i said i was russian and lived through 90s Russia. You can read what it was like.Not who your replying to, but I remember reading a piece in the Guardian newspaper (I'm a bong) about this. Piece by Duncan Campbell, the crime guy. He said the Russian mafia in the 90s recruited from boxers, martial artists, and bodybuilders. So this would make me think this stuff has value for self-defence as well? Would you agree with this? Or am I confusing street robberies with organised crime groups, who wouldn't be involved things like low level muggings? Being physically intimidating would be better for organised crime? Here in England most street level crime certainly seems to be from untrained, and unorganised, scrotes. They generally carry knives.
No.32823
>>32809you claim that, but I can claim to be American cowboy gangbanber but it doesn't change my reality, I'd be lying just like you are
No.32825
>>32819>So this would make me think this stuff has value for self-defence as well? Well, i did say earlier that it does have some skills and traits that are useful. Physical fitness, ability to endure pain and fatigue, ability to judge the distance. Compared to ordinary person a fighter from competitive sports is at an obvious advantage. Also well built person just looks more threatening which is also useful given that one of the main jobs for bratva would be racketeering, taking money for "protection".
Still if you look at their history they never shy from weapons, including firearms, on some occasion even military grade ones, like grenades and greande launchers (military was in a sorry state after the crash of USSR to the point where you occasionally would find them just selling their stuff on the black market). Obviously they have had more than just sports experience.
No.32826
>>32819 (cont)
So it wasn't necessarily martial artists they were looking for. Weightlifters were really popular. Many gang even set up their own gyms like infamous Luberets gang.
For a thugs being a former weightlifter would be no less or even more useful that being say a boxer.
No.33398
>>32799Even in this video it's pretty clear that more than half of the time they pick people who are too preoccupied with whatever happens in their smartphones to notice a fucking bike literally riding behind them. So the best advice would be to pay attention to your surroundings. It's not that hard to detect a bike suddenly changing direction and riding towards you if you don't walk with your head up your ass or in the phone.
No.33404
>>32826Fuck, Putin used to look like 'that'?! uwu
No.41272
>>40548I'd enjoy seeing watching Mike Tyson fight during my life time. Hope he beats the shit out of that kid tho
>>6654>In stuff like boxing and MMA, most people who go pro at, say, 20 years old had amateur careers before that and had been training since childhood or teenage years. Does my Shotokan Orange Belt count? did when I was like 12. I gave up on it because of money and shit and now kinda miss it, I'm now 24 and trying to get back into some more martial arts. People shit a lot on karate but I believe I've got decent kicks and punches because of my old training. I'm still interested in getting back into shotokan tho and been looking into Kyokushin aswell.
No.41568
Anons, I have a dilemma. I want to get back into martial arts after giving up Taekwondo when I was young. There are a couple of semi-decent looking clubs nearby that do:
Muay Thai
BJJ
Kickboxing
Judo
Muay Thai isn't my ideal first choice, and the club seems like it's run by meatheads; there are 2 BJJ clubs, but BJJ has never appealed to me (I don't really have any other reason to learn a martial art other than "it seems cool", and BJJ is not cool); and there are several belt-mills that do kickboxing. The Muay Thai place claims to do kickboxing too, but there is no promo material of them doing kickboxing, which makes me think they don't care about it that much. There was a place that did Judo, which I quite like the look of, but they haven't updated their socials in years, and only have kids in their marketing despite apparently teaching adult classes.
The martial art I really want to do is Sanda, but there is nowhere even remotely close to me that teaches it. It's mainly striking, but it's also got throws and matches are held on a raised platform, which are both pretty cool. I also like that it's primarily a sport.
What would you do in my position, anons? I might just go to one of the Muay Thai classes and see if I get on with it.
No.41572
>>41272It's better than nothing but I've never been to any karate class that did enough sparring and my shotokan teacher probably did more sparring than most.
I think best I got out of Shotokan was learning how to use nunchucks and a katana.
No.41589
>>41572This was Mike Tyson's training regime that he began as a teen under Cus D'Amano
https://reemusboxing.com/mike-tysons-training-routine/ Mike said about his son wanting to go into professional boxing that he knew the kid wouldn't make it because he didn't have the background for it. Tyson's right; I'm not a terrible fighter, I got some power and speed and decent skill but I know I lack the dark instincts you need to lay the hurt on someone in a ring. A street-fight or sparring is different from a ringfight.
https://www.essentiallysports.com/category/boxing/boxing-news-they-re-inevitable-mike-tyson-s-confrontation-with-his-son-about-degrading-life-still-inspires-fathers-from-boxing-world/ >learning how to use nunchucks and a katana. Nice, always wanted to learn, got any tips?
>>41568 Muay Thai or Kickboxing. Modern Judo has often stopped teaching practically, instead going for showy hackfu type throws and grapples, BJJ is effective depending on the teacher. Muay Thai and KB are simple and effective. TKD is a good base to work off of too, but you want Koreans teaching you, all the American schools I've seen play around too much.
>Pic <Amazon woman establishes dominance over manlet - circa 2053LMAO sauce me that good stuff.
No.41590
>>41589Tips:
Katana. Well you always sheath the sword face up but upu hold it face down obvs. The strikes are pretty standard and straight forward. Remember to shske the blood before re sheathing.
Nunchucks: the bruce lee type shit is easier than it looks. Passing it hand to hand is a simple move, just practice it until you can change it fast like Bruce.
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