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 No.5237[View All]

Comrades let's have a thread for martial arts, combat sports and self defense. Striking, grappling, all styles welcome (except fake ass shit). Let's talk about training, techniques, fights, fighters, etc. Here's a fun fact: One of the many achievements of the soviets was founding their own combat system, sambo, which proved to be extremely effective and is still widely practiced today. Also, Judo orange belt here (AMA if you want)
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 No.28573

is a thicker/bigger neck harder to choke? i mean if you need more than one hand to fully cover my neck then one hand, isn't that already better

i've been doing neck curls with 6 pound plates and it's grown but looks a bit too big, i want to know if there's any advantage physically

 No.28574

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>>28573
I'm sure. You'll also be strengthening your veins probably which is the real thing that's going to get you in your neck, not your windpipe.

I dunno though, if someone has proceeded to choking you, you're probably fucked. You shouldn't get to that stage. I think the most vulnerable thing about the neck is getting your brain stem damaged through strikes. They outlaw "rabbit punches" in boxing because it's so OP(so obviously if you are seriously fighting someone you should rabbit punch them and be wary of getting rabbit punched yourself)

 No.28575

>>28574
I should post this story I read of this boxer who got rabbit punched into a paraplegic but it's one of the most depressing stories I even read no lie.

 No.28576

>>28574
>>28575
Oh yeah and I didn't define rabbit punch.

>A rabbit punch is a blow to the back of the head or to the base of the skull.[1] It is considered especially dangerous because it can damage the cervical vertebrae and subsequently the spinal cord, which may lead to serious and irreparable spinal cord injury. A rabbit punch can also detach the victim's brain from the brain stem,[2] which can kill instantly.


>The punch's name is derived from the use of the technique by hunters to kill rabbits with a quick, sharp strike to the back of the head.[3]


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rabbit_punch

 No.28583

>>28576
So there's no amount of body building that can prevent that, I guess

 No.28616

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>>28583
No. It will probably keep your neck from getting torqued as much probably. Yeah I think having a stronger neck will probably diminish the damage. But you asked about choking.

Choking someone from the front with your hands isn't a great way. You actually probably could get out of that depending. Out of a chokehold no. I know some martial arts stuff will sell you about how to get out of a chokehold but I think it's kind of impossible unless you're like ridiculous stronger than the person that put you in the chokehold, and then I'd question how you ended up in the chokehold in the first place. If someone is trying to choke you from the front with their hands you still have great leverage to strike them while both their hands are occupied. You could just gouge their eyes, kick them in the nuts, trip them, etc.

 No.28617

>>28583
>>28616
But yeah your veins will get blocked regardless and you will lose consciousness from lack of blood flow to your brain. Like I said maybe it'd might make it harder/take longer but of course anyone can be choked out.

 No.28622

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Thinking about this thread and the faggot attitude the non-burgers have. You should only approach a fight like a lethal confrontation. If it's not a lethal confrontation you should walk away. Physical injury is no joke. If you're fighting, fight to kill always. If you're a burger get a gun or at least a knife. If you can't get a gun but you can get and carry a knife carry a knife. A knife will add +99 damage to your hand skill.

 No.28623

>>28616
>I know some martial arts stuff will sell you about how to get out of a chokehold but I think it's kind of impossible
They do it by hitting pressure points or kneecapping

Good luck with the pressure points if the guys on a strong stimulant or a freak with high pain tolerance though

Knocking out the patella is always a good option in a real no holds life and death fight regardless if if you're in a chokehold anyway

 No.28624

>>28623
Crazy think I've been choked out in a chokehold and also in a frontal hands on neck lol.

Chokehold:
Me and my brother got in a fight. Pretty sure I was whipping his ass. Then he fooled me with some truce shit. Then as I was walking away he came up behind me and put me in the chokehold. I had to say uncle. I came at him later with the anime store dull katana lel. Then he called the cops on me and I went to jail. Lol. He dropped the charges though. Me and him are real cool for a longtime now.

Choked out by hands from the front:
I was with my friend who was kinda psychotic. I forgot what the confrontation was over. I was trying to be non-confrontational because I could sense he was getting angry. I dunno maybe I was doing passive aggressive shit. Anyways he flipped out and choked me out from the front while I was shotgun and he was in the driver's seat. Was also a real surprise. I also said uncle.

 No.28625

>>28624
The moment a choke is coming in chin down and shoulders up to cover the neck lad

 No.28626

>>28625
Chin should always be down to cover the neck fwiw

 No.28627

>>28626
>>28625
Probably good advice but like I said I wasn't expecting the chokehold at all. I was walking away because I thought the fight was over.

 No.28631

About the chokehold thing. Sure, train to get out of it, plan to get out of it lol. I wouldn't bank on it. If you got into a chokehold you fucked up IMO. Someone show me a video where someone got into a chokehold in a real fight and then broke out of it and won LMAO.

 No.28727

>>28624
what matters the most in a chokehold is to not let the opponent lock it with the other arm. as long as he is choking you with 1 arm you can escape/he cannot choke you.

 No.28729

>>28622
Telling people to kill is terrible advice. In most countries you'll just go to jail for manslaughter and ruin your own life in the process. Even if it was in self defense.

 No.28748

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>>28729
Exaggerating for dramatic effect. I don't endorse executions and curb stomping. I'm just saying you can't approach a fight like a slap fight. If you have to club someone over the head with something that could potentially kill them to incapacitate them, do it. Once they are knocked out or you can put them in a choke hold do that of course, but until that point. KILL OR BE KILLED

But you also missed the other part of my advice which is to walk away.

 No.28749

>>28748
>>28729
Also mentioning legal stuff. You should be the one to call the cops. That's definitely going to work in your favor.

Fighting for ego victory is dumb. Many guys have won the fight and lost the war. You kick a guys ass and then he just comes back later with a weapon or he comes back later with more guys and jumps you.

 No.28753

>>28748
>>28749
Revenge fantasy nonsense that likely stems from an inferiority complex.

 No.28754

>>28753
It's real life but you do you. I said fighting for ego victory is stupid. If it's not life or death don't fight.

 No.28755

>>28754
Or as a sport with rules and safety precautions. I also think all the popular fighting sports are pretty sus because they aren't actually safe. Something as safe as fencing is cool. Even wrestling can fuck you up pretty bad.

 No.29403

>>25884
>Where would we even start?
Buy a gun. Or pick up a brick at the very least.

 No.29404

>>29403
>Buy a gun. Or pick up a brick at the very least.
What's that move called?
>Dialectics.

 No.29676

>>28631
>show me a video where someone got into a chokehold in a real fight
In a real self defense situation i would never try to choke an opponent unless i'm sure that he doesn't carry a knife or sharp/pointy thing. If i'm choking he can slit my wrist and i'm dead within minutes.

 No.30028

signed up for judo with my gf, what am I in for? (I haven't trained martial arts before)

 No.30030

>>30028
Lot of getting tossed around.

 No.30215

>>30028
You'll be learning 1. how to fall over and over again 2. the basic throws that are taught to every white belt, like ippon seoi nage and osoto gari 3. the basic ground holds, like kesa gatame

Forget about fighting for now, that doesn't happen until way later. Also your body will probably hurt from not being used to any of these things. It's normal, and always remember to not land with your head.

 No.30216

>>30028
Good thing you didn't do jiujitsu otherwise it would be sweaty 200lb dudes hugging and rolling around with your gf while you soyface across the room

 No.30217

>>30216
That also happens in judo, fam. Where do you think BJJ got it from?

 No.30218

>>30028
Hope you like getting strangled.

 No.30643

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how do martial art-fags cope with the fact that a big guy swinging wildly is still more effective then 99% of fighting styles

 No.30644

>>30643
Most martial arts is a kind of competitive dancing that is meant to simulate fighting while preventing injuries. A lot of these were invented in a time when many injuries were fatal and if your culture had a dance like that, physical aggression could be released with less damage.

So this is not a bug it's a feature.

 No.31639

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I remember reading a youtube comment that stated that traditional chinese marital arts used to be practical at one time, however when the Qing conquered China they forbade the use of actual combat training and so that is why chinese martial arts devolved into metaphysical/woo woo shit, is this accurate?

 No.31640

>>30643
What exactly in this video can even be described as "effective"? And it's not like he is against people who are even remotely profficient in any kind of martial art or even just some sport like boxing.

 No.31668

>>31640
The fact he fought multiple attackers with seemingly little technique and combat training, if he had been the same size as his attackers but trained in marital arts, how do you think it would have went for him

 No.31669

>>31668
None of the "attackers" were even remotely competent nor did they seem to even seriously trying to hurt him. Looks more like children playin. Have you ever seen a real fight? The one where people actually trying to hurt each other?
> if he had been the same size as his attackers but trained in marital arts, how do you think it would have went for him
Absolutely the same i'd say since this probably wasn't an actual fight. Are you trolling or just stupid?

 No.31673

>>31639
Sounds like bullshit to me. How would one go about banning martial arts? People are always going to find ways of kicking the shit out of each other.

Forms or Kata are found in Japanese and Korean Martial arts too, and they're a training method. I expect they were a way of getting illiterate peasants to memorise basic movements without literary aids, although they could have doubled as drills for soldiers for the sake of discipline.

From the forms you kind of have to figure out the combat aspect for yourself, similar to how HEMA guys have to reconstruct fighting methods from old treatise and archaeological findings.

I should also point out that most of that is an uneducated guess, but idc because my competition is a YT comment

 No.31676

>>31673
There are modern examples of banning certain martial arts, for example capoeira was banned in Brazil during the early 20th century, kendo was banned in Japan for a few years after their surrender at the end end of the second world war. I'm sure there are more historical examples.

 No.31677

>>31676
Right, but they still exist, which means people must have been practicing in private or they wern't banned for long enough for it to have a serious impact. I'd imagine these bans were accompanied by restrictions on things like weapons and perhaps large gatherings of military-age men in general too, otherwise they wouldn't have been very effective.

On top of all this, there are only so many ways to throw a punch or a kick. What if you got busted for practicing some banned martial art and defended yourself by sayiing that "actually I was just making shit up" or "this isn't from Capoeira, it's a form of Wushu from Northern China"? Would the police let you off?

 No.31679

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>>31676
>>31673
Then explain why in comparison nations that bordered and were influenced by China still had more "practical' types of fighting styles, Mongolian wrestling, Japanese Judo, Muay Thai, even Okinawan karate that had regular sparring

 No.31687

>>31676
>kendo was banned in Japan for a few years after their surrender at the end end of the second world war
The US occupation also banned judo

 No.31691

>>31679
Well the Chinese had enough 'practical' martial arts training that they used to hold competitions where they fought all comers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lei_tai

This dates back to the Song dynasty at least, and is carried on today in the modern combat sport of Sanda. The MMA fighter Cung Le was a Sanda (or Sanshou) fighter, and he took it to the UFC with some success.
Pic rel is of some Chinese wrestling practitioners, and their sport is still practised today in China too.

What you're probably thinking of is Wushu, which is more of a dance derived from martial arts than a fighting style. That's the form with the fancy flowing movements. It's the form you're likely to see in Kung fu films.

 No.31717

>>31691
sanda is literally just kickboxing with a few wushu moves. in china they even call kickboxing in other countries "sanda", as an amateur kickboxer,

 No.31718

There's really no "best" martial arts. Lethwei, muay thai, sambo, kickboxing are all great. If you train hard and consistently in one of these styles and its not some dogmatic shit like kung fu then it will work. I did a bunch of tae kwon do as a kid and when i turned 14 i started at a gym with a bunch of kick boxing and muay thai guys and they all fucked me up. I stuck with it and now I can say I have a decent striking and grappling game

 No.31719

>>31717
Not really sure what the point of this reply is, since I never said that it was entirely Chinese or that the modern form was the same as the old forms. Just that there was a history of people in China meeting up and beating the shit out of each other.

It's funny too, because the video you showed literally says that
>''there is a lot more Chinese martial arts influence to Sanda than a lot of non-lovers of Chinese Martial Arts are willing to give it credit for"
and that they took both kicks and wrestling (Shuai jiao, a sport in its own right which is still practiced today) from China. The video briefly mentions that the reason for the lack of sparring goes back to either the start of the Communist era or the Qing dynasty, and that's the primary reason they weren't "practical" anymore. Why this change took place, I'm not sure. I've read of at least one tournament held before in Repblican-era China (only on Wikipedia) where a load of people ended up dying in fights so it had to be called off.
It seems like what they were doing with Sanda was creating their own state-version of MMA for competitions years before it was concieved properly in the West, which is pretty cool.

 No.31722

>>31719
Sanda is the same as Sambo or even Army Combatives, kickboxing and some basic grappling, cause again that works

 No.31972

bump

also what do you make of this?

 No.32008

>>31722
What's the minimum combos and techniques?

 No.32100

so most "folk wrestling" styles tend to be really similar, be it Ssireum in Korea, Senegalese Wrestling or Koshti in the Caucasus, basic throws and up-front grappling and ending with one of the men on his back

so my question is why did Judo and Greco-Roman wrestling out of every other regional wrestling style in the planet, develop far more complete and technique grappling styles, to the point where every modern martial arts incorporates the two in some way

 No.32116

>>32100
>so my question is why did Judo and Greco-Roman wrestling out of every other regional wrestling style in the planet, develop far more complete and technique grappling styles, to the point where every modern martial arts incorporates the two in some way
Imperialism, world wars, colonisation, and The Olympics.


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