Comrades let's have a thread for martial arts, combat sports and self defense. Striking, grappling, all styles welcome (except fake ass shit). Let's talk about training, techniques, fights, fighters, etc. Here's a fun fact: One of the many achievements of the soviets was founding their own combat system, sambo, which proved to be extremely effective and is still widely practiced today. Also, Judo orange belt here (AMA if you want)
509 posts and 83 image replies omitted.>>32775It was an image I had on my PC that I decided to use it to illustrate that Karate is better then most mumbo jumbo chi stuff but still worse then an actual comperative fighting style like Muay Thai, Kickboxing and MMA
>>32774>Have you actually sparred even or competed? Because even those from competitive sports understand that much. That's like fundamental shit about fighting.again I don't pretend to be a badass or whatever, I did some full contact Karate when I was a teenager(between 12-15) and joined a Boxing gym when I was older, I was never above mediocre or half way decent, but I know enough to know a fight is like, even when I was doing Karate I could still make a proper punch and hit, granted I live in Pakistan and people here are on the wimpy side, like there's no concept or recreation physical exercise or even school exercise, 90% of guys have never done a push up in their lives
>>32777Well, if you use manga illustrations in your posts maybe don't say that other people think life is like a fighting manga. It looks like a projection.
Anyway, it's not about being badass. I lost more fights than i won and i run away from even more than that. But i survived and kept my health more or less intact in a 90s Russia. And i have seen many strong guys from competitive sports loose either or both because they have relied on the reflexes and assumptions they have acquired for those competitions. The simplest example would be boxer breaking his hand because he struck into hard part of the opponent's skull (or some other hard body part) and never learned how to actually strike with bare fists because he used gloves all the time. I know my sambo friend who broke a kneecap because he tried to grapple some guy's leg but forgot that he is not on a soft mat and busted it too hard on a pavement. And i heard about couple of grapplers who mounted some guy only for his friend to get behind them and break the head with pipe or stab with a switchblade in the back.
When you are used to fighting in the same way in the same environment using same techniques you are gonna use them in real situation before you can even think wherever you should. Real fights can happen in a vast variety of situation in multiple different environments. They also tend to resolve way faster than competitions where fighters have leisure to feel their opponents and formulate strategy, most of the real fights, if at least one of the fighters knows what he is doing, will happen in the timeframe of 5-10 seconds. There are many other differences, it would take a dozens posts to write about all of them in detail, but in short - real fights and competitions are vastly different, so there isn't any style that is used for competitions that would be much better than others in actual fight, since they are all pretty bad at it due to completely different environment.
I am not pretending to be some master of some Real (c) Effective (tm) martial art, just someone who dabbled in several styles of competitive sports and have an experience of fights where your health and sometimes life is on the line. In my opinion, actual martial atrs that would be used in those situations would require completely different training from what competitive fighting style offer. Traditional aren't much better because without actual use of those martial arts, in real situations on real people, all you have is cargo cult for "ancient techniques" where you don't even understand what situation they are made for.
From Russia, with love.
>>32778like I said, in my country a lot of people just don't have any interest sports or fitness outside cricket, diet is shit as well(oiled up desi woods with lots of nann(bread) and 0 protein) and again no culture of recreation exercise
guys in the rural areas are usually fitter and not skinny obese cause of hard labor and better diets(mean, milk, vegetables and eggs) but they don't know how to exercise either
>>32784What, no one even tried to rob you or something? You don't have crime in your country?
Fighting is not really about excrcise.
>>32786I have been mugged 3 times, but they all had guns right to my face so I didn't even think about doing shit, bike muggings are very common here and its more or less the same formula
2 guys on a bike just come right at you, the guy at the back holds a gun up to your face, demands your phone and wallet, you give them that and they leave in a flash
>>32790You can if you pay attention. They aren't just randomly riding like everybody else and then suddenly making you a target in a microsecond. They pick and choose their targets and locations. If you don't have your head up your ass and actually start looking around and analyzing people's behaviour and surroundings, you can see what's coming. At least watch the videos catching them doing that ad try to use your brain.
>>32789Perception and ability to make correct decision in a split second is way more important for martial artist than havgin a good mawashi geri.
>>32788>>32791>muh videosShut up fag. I'm sure that anon has 10x more situational awareness than yourself being that he's experienced this IRL multiple times. I can say I've been blessed to never be mugged at gun point. I would fold too the second the gun came out. Maybe they won't shoot you maybe they will, a lot of idiots like you who thought they could action-movie their way out of situations got killed like that.
The best advice is don't go places where shit like that happens, but maybe that's not a luxury he can afford.
You sound like you're a bong thinking like how they do it there in your no guns land and how everyone is doing a quick grab and dash.
>>32799At least learn how to read, shithead.
>I can say I've been blessed to never be mugged at gun point.So you admit you know nothing about it
>you who thought they could action-movie their way out of situations got killed like thaCompletely fucking opposite to the point i was making, retard
>You sound like you're a bongTwo posts earlier i said i was russian and lived through 90s Russia. You can read what it was like.
>>32809So you were mugged at gunpoint?
>Completely fucking opposite to the point i was making, retardShut up fuckwad you made no point.
>Completely fucking opposite to the point i was making, retard.>two posts earlieryou couldv'e tagged that.
But still you never said when you had a gun pointed at your face and what you did.
>>32810>So you were mugged at gunpoint?Gunpoint, knifepoint and someother points too.
>Shut up fuckwad you made no point. Just because you can't fucking read to save your life is no excuse for being this retarded. The whole point of the post you replied to, illiterate shitstain, is to be perceptive and analyze the situation and behaviour of the people around you to understand when you goona get in trouble. In fact just by doing that you reduce the chances of being robbed in the frist place because people who do that are not stupid and they target dumbfucks like you who walk around with earplugs and face attached to your iphone.
Just fucking try and find ANYTHING in my post the you replied to where i talk about fighting people with guns, faggot.
>you couldv'e tagged that.So i need to tag every fucking post i made here in every fucking post i make just because you are too stupid to follow a simple coversation between two people? Nah, eat shit, you mogoloid.
>But still you never said when you had a gun pointed at your face and what you did.I learned to avoid situations like that in the first place. By not putting my head into my ass and paying attention to my surroundings. So that solution is probably not for you, since you need a serious surgery to get your head out of your rectum.
>>32814Are you intentionally pretending to be retarded? Well, you succeded.
>Then what the fuck are you talking about? >>32799 This is you fucking reply to me, let's see what you have said.
<a lot of idiots like you who thought they could action-movie their way out of situations got killed like that.So, now either own up that you are an illiterate dumbfuck orquote me where i have said in my post that you have replied to that you should go all karate on someone who pointed the gun at you.
>>32813>Lol ok, you still haven't given one illustration.Well, if someone approaches you with a gun you should jump him and get yourself killed. Or kneel before him and ask him to end your suffering. The sooner the better. That would be my advice to you.
>>32819>So this would make me think this stuff has value for self-defence as well? Well, i did say earlier that it does have some skills and traits that are useful. Physical fitness, ability to endure pain and fatigue, ability to judge the distance. Compared to ordinary person a fighter from competitive sports is at an obvious advantage. Also well built person just looks more threatening which is also useful given that one of the main jobs for bratva would be racketeering, taking money for "protection".
Still if you look at their history they never shy from weapons, including firearms, on some occasion even military grade ones, like grenades and greande launchers (military was in a sorry state after the crash of USSR to the point where you occasionally would find them just selling their stuff on the black market). Obviously they have had more than just sports experience.
>>32819 (cont)
So it wasn't necessarily martial artists they were looking for. Weightlifters were really popular. Many gang even set up their own gyms like infamous Luberets gang.
For a thugs being a former weightlifter would be no less or even more useful that being say a boxer.
>>40548I'd enjoy seeing watching Mike Tyson fight during my life time. Hope he beats the shit out of that kid tho
>>6654>In stuff like boxing and MMA, most people who go pro at, say, 20 years old had amateur careers before that and had been training since childhood or teenage years. Does my Shotokan Orange Belt count? did when I was like 12. I gave up on it because of money and shit and now kinda miss it, I'm now 24 and trying to get back into some more martial arts. People shit a lot on karate but I believe I've got decent kicks and punches because of my old training. I'm still interested in getting back into shotokan tho and been looking into Kyokushin aswell.
Anons, I have a dilemma. I want to get back into martial arts after giving up Taekwondo when I was young. There are a couple of semi-decent looking clubs nearby that do:
Muay Thai
BJJ
Kickboxing
Judo
Muay Thai isn't my ideal first choice, and the club seems like it's run by meatheads; there are 2 BJJ clubs, but BJJ has never appealed to me (I don't really have any other reason to learn a martial art other than "it seems cool", and BJJ is not cool); and there are several belt-mills that do kickboxing. The Muay Thai place claims to do kickboxing too, but there is no promo material of them doing kickboxing, which makes me think they don't care about it that much. There was a place that did Judo, which I quite like the look of, but they haven't updated their socials in years, and only have kids in their marketing despite apparently teaching adult classes.
The martial art I really want to do is Sanda, but there is nowhere even remotely close to me that teaches it. It's mainly striking, but it's also got throws and matches are held on a raised platform, which are both pretty cool. I also like that it's primarily a sport.
What would you do in my position, anons? I might just go to one of the Muay Thai classes and see if I get on with it.
>>41272It's better than nothing but I've never been to any karate class that did enough sparring and my shotokan teacher probably did more sparring than most.
I think best I got out of Shotokan was learning how to use nunchucks and a katana.
>>41572This was Mike Tyson's training regime that he began as a teen under Cus D'Amano
https://reemusboxing.com/mike-tysons-training-routine/ Mike said about his son wanting to go into professional boxing that he knew the kid wouldn't make it because he didn't have the background for it. Tyson's right; I'm not a terrible fighter, I got some power and speed and decent skill but I know I lack the dark instincts you need to lay the hurt on someone in a ring. A street-fight or sparring is different from a ringfight.
https://www.essentiallysports.com/category/boxing/boxing-news-they-re-inevitable-mike-tyson-s-confrontation-with-his-son-about-degrading-life-still-inspires-fathers-from-boxing-world/ >learning how to use nunchucks and a katana. Nice, always wanted to learn, got any tips?
>>41568 Muay Thai or Kickboxing. Modern Judo has often stopped teaching practically, instead going for showy hackfu type throws and grapples, BJJ is effective depending on the teacher. Muay Thai and KB are simple and effective. TKD is a good base to work off of too, but you want Koreans teaching you, all the American schools I've seen play around too much.
>Pic <Amazon woman establishes dominance over manlet - circa 2053LMAO sauce me that good stuff.
>>41589Tips:
Katana. Well you always sheath the sword face up but upu hold it face down obvs. The strikes are pretty standard and straight forward. Remember to shske the blood before re sheathing.
Nunchucks: the bruce lee type shit is easier than it looks. Passing it hand to hand is a simple move, just practice it until you can change it fast like Bruce.
>>41593No problem. Another tip: to resheath hold the sheath at the very top then run the back of the blade along your thumb until yhe tip gets to the hole. Sure you probably have seen it in movies.
I also learned a little on tonfas and sais. Shotokan they basically teach you all the ninja turtle weapons + tonfas. Intersting truvia, but the reason that collection of weapons came into being is because they were all originally farming tools and peasants weren't allowed to own swords so they came up with farmingjutsu.
>>42386As it happens, I took my first kickboxing class today. I basically want to learn how to punch and kick, and I've already learned the basic movements, so I'll stick with this for a while.
I inquired at the Judo place, but the guy didn't seem very forthcoming so I decided to leave it. I'll try it one day though, for sure. There is a BJJ place right next to where I do the kickboxing, so that seems to be the logical next step, but I do like the takedown focus of Judo more than the ground grappling aspect of BJJ. I'm warming up to the idea of it as time goes on, though.
>>42424Update: I went back again this week, and am still enjoying it. I think it'll be a while before we get into any sparring though, partially because there's a probationary period for sparring, and also because they have a belt system and you only start sparring after your first few gradings. It's kind of annoying, but never mind.
On a related note, have you guys heard of Liberation Martial Arts? It's a kind of curriculum created by the people behind the Southpaw podcast. At first glance it seems very… soy. But the people who do it seem to enjoy it, and I like that there's an emphasis on self-learning.
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