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How do you feel about it (and its creator)?
also please spam Charlie pics


I like some bits but it feels too DeviantArt'y and for this kind of folks who would be crazy about 'nightmare before christmas' in the early 00s


It got overtaken by helltaker.


I don't know anything about it other than the fact that some creepy women hating co posters want to have beat up this character and also may or may not want to have sex with her.


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never noticed that assad had blue eyes, is he not a native syrian?


some arabs just have blue eyes, the idea that he isn't a native syrian is sectarian shit meant to disparage Alawites


You could make unholy Hazbin-HT thread alliance


Is she Armenian by chance?
Because she is doing the same to female characters of a Netherlandish kickstarter cartoon.


What is with those people? Also yes of course they want to have sex with her (or just in general).


One of the worst shit I've ever seen. Literally Disney but with "Fuck" and Sex Jokes. White Girl level humor. Pure Garbage. Haram/10


I do not understand one thing tho. That people say Helluva boss is better when is obviously even less funnier and dull than Hazbin Hotel


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vivziepop burned my crops and killed my family


Post that loathesome cringe elsewhere… like /co/


>white girl humor
have sex incel


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>They're the same people that find the spider character as the best character
The show is fucking retarded, but I don't really care I just wanna jerk off to gay spider.s


>jerk it to vague 2D shapes that our brain forms into a face with extra limbs




2D cartoons are unironically hotter than 3D pig disgusting trash because 2D lets your brain fill in all the details with your perfect idea of attractiveness


The plot is that hell is too overpopulated right? Yet it's apparently possible to permanently murder people in hell. But it's already the afterlife? Where do they go?

Is he a tranny? Why does he have breasts?


>2D lets your brain fill in all the details with your perfect idea of attractiveness
how's about i fill in your ass with my arachnidick?


I'd violently assfuck Charlie


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Why does he have breasts?
It's a puff of chest hair. Plenty of muscular dudes can squeeze their pecs to look like tiny tits.


Take this horny-posting to /GET/ you absolute cringelords


I'd violently assfuck you anon. Post cheeks.


>The creator
I only vaguely know there is supposedly some kinda drama.

The show seems pretty fun, wish they could continue the show. Visuals are interesting though the animation isnt exactly as good as the linework (though thats to be expected in an independent webcartoon).


When does the rest of the shows come out, I've only ever seen the pilot



I loved it and Alastor was my favorite character followed by the spider. Obviously the drawings are way too complex to keep up a good pace for animating it all, and everything's too colorful and cluttered, so in that regard Helluva Boss was better (except the human kid which looks like something out of a John K cartoon, it's absolutely jarring)

>White Girl level humor
But the creator is a Latina???

>I only vaguely know there is supposedly some kinda drama.
As far as I could tell, that drama was based on absolutely nothing (like her drawing some internet celebrities that turned out to be "problematic", years ago, or her edgy representation of LGBT characters in hell being seen as "homophobic" somehow)
I see no reason not to support her.

>Is he a tranny? Why does he have breasts?
Not trans as far as we know, he's a (gay?) male prostitute. So basically a twink.


I remember reading that it won't come out unless some big studio picks it up. But it appears that a new episode may also come out this or next year.


> Re: The creator

some nonsense about her "stealing an art style" from someone else. but she was just inspired by another artist before developing her own style. normal creative stuff.


I remember when this first started and the animator Vivzie was excited about starting it.


>art depth that goes from 0 to 13, 0 = 12 oz mouse and 13 =
>Problem Solvers
What kind of art quality scale is that.


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Why is nobody talking about this shit?


how can a show only have 1 episode? then its not a show!


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'Very bad people'
Jeez, could they be a bit more specific before they level accusations like this?


By very bad people they mean someone who said the n word in a joke 6 years ago


>art industry
If this was proven true that wouldn't even be surprising. And "very bad people"? Come on.
I've had several conversations with liberals and idpol leftists about artists and what do to about them if they hold problematic views (not talking about convicted criminals like Polanski). When it comes to fiction I can't stand this search for purity, great artists are often terrible people but you can't deny how important their art is. It's sad to hear educated petit-bourgeois wanting to cancel current geniuses once their culture is already built upon books and movies made by classical reactionaries. (although it's not the same when a random animator said the n-word I guess)


Trash-tier: Hazbin, Helluva Boss
Coomer-tier: Helltaker
Okay-tier: Satina


Never heard of it. It looks so much more generic, surely it's not the material that could eclipse hazbin.


Satina is nice, the creators seem chill. It's sad that the only series with traditional animation and not flash shit are independant.


>Never heard of it
&ltIt looks so much more generic
Muh dude. Hazbin and most of Vizies shit only look good for a stroke victim.


Generic anime doesn't look good to me either. This is at least fresh and different.


I enjoyed it and hope they make more


me too. It has a charming style in my opinion, the colorscheme is nice to me too.


Angel Dust sucks




No he's a bad character


eh, prolly, I think he'll get fleshed out more as the series goes on


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Interesting concept and character designs. Cluttered animation that looks like it would be way too expensive to produce if any network would be willing to pick it up. Overly edgy. I also recall reading on the bad webcomics wiki that vivzie sucks at writing. Hopefully they'd have someone else doing that.

>typical twitter witch hunt nonsense
>abstract accusations of pedophilia Why name names or provide evidence when vagueposting works so much better?
>very bad people


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If I remember correctly the "pedophile" claims are because some of the artists (including vivie) have drawn shota/loli and normies are moralfagging about it.

I also think it's hilarious how they're bitching about the gay spider not being good representation when 99% of the shows popularity and merchandise sales come from gays loving the character. It also wouldn't surprise me if it's less about the representation of homosexuals, and more that a gay character who doesn't care about political correctness ruins their SJW-esque narrative.


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>If I remember correctly the "pedophile" claims are because some of the artists (including vivie) have drawn shota/loli and normies are moralfagging about it.
This wouldn't surprise me. It's not my cup of tea, but I also know artists draw a lot of weird shit.

>I also think it's hilarious how they're bitching about the gay spider not being good representation when 99% of the shows popularity and merchandise sales come from gays loving the character. It also wouldn't surprise me if it's less about the representation of homosexuals, and more that a gay character who doesn't care about political correctness ruins their SJW-esque narrative.

This. But it also strikes me as missing the fairly obvious jab at Christianity and Abrahamism in general. God (heh) forbid these people should be against the Church or anything like that.


>1. the character vaggie is supposed to be the angry latina stereotype.
Who gives a shit. Also Vivzie is a Latine.
t. Latina
He's certainly represented in a more favorable way than all the non-gay evil demons in the cartoon's universe. Basically the criticisms boil down to him being promiscuous (just like all the other citizens of Hell, but critics say this character is just portraying all gays as stereotypically slutty and sinners) and the supposed implication that he's eventually going to redeem himself by not being gay anymore (because gayness=promiscuity obviously), as if the creator meant that being gay is a sin or something. Nevermind the fact that the two [b]good[/b] main characters are lesbian lovers. I guess by making Angel Dust an important character and giving him some redeeming and humane qualities Vivzie shoot herself in the foot. Again these people find whatever excuse they can to create drama.
>3, 4
>it is confirmed
Read: rumors that have already been debunked or very minor offenses that she's not really at fault.
https://kirain.tumblr.com/post/188863354586/hazbin-hotel-and-vivziepop-drama Unless that screenshot is referring to new accusations since then, this link addresses most of these rumors, including the loli/shota thing and "plagiarism". Other than Chris Niosi I don't recall any other alleged pedophile or "very bad people" that she was accused of associating with.


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>that link
Reads like a whole lot of attempts at character assassination


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I agree with you Anon, but neither the otherwise helpful link nor your more specific arguments address Vivzie drawing "someone" (Blaire White) who does blackface. This is pretty bad even for the rational skeptic community on YouTube in 2015-2016.


Yeah, that one's completely true, Vivzie drew her and judging by the screenshot she was aware of that joke, though it's not clear if she knew before or after drawing the fanart (if she found out in that tweet, she probably didn't process the gravity of the "joke" immediately). However this was years ago and she doesn't seem to support her and others like her anymore; she was probably just too tolerant of that kind of people for childish reasons, whether that was temporary anti-SJW-ism, edginess, or naivete, not genuinely bad intentions. And yes, it was addressed in the link, under "supports problematic creators" where she apologizes, because it looks like this Blaire White wasn't the only retard she was criticized for supporting.



Don’t threaten me with a good time.


>the faggot has the most fanart
Say about her whatever you want, but she certainly knows her audience




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&ltHELLUVA BOSS - Loo Loo Land // S1: Episode 2


Helluva Boss is the better Hazbin Hotel.


it's had actual episodes at least. I feel like the writing in this latest episode is a bit lacking


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I genuinely believe that the only reason people say that is because of pic related.


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Stolas is better.


Animation industry needs more cute dilfs.






>How do you feel about it?
Watched the pilot and enjoyed it. Visually excellent. Unironically better than most televised competitors.
>(and its creator)
Don't know don't care.
Gave Maxwell Atoms a cameo so must be at least a bit based.


>I only vaguely know there is supposedly some kinda drama.
She drew nsfw-ish art of her 17 year old oc implied that he is fucking snakes and fetish bdsm art with them, far as i can recall


Over-rated and boring outside of a few clips and gags. The fact that it also attracts a lot of mentally ill fans projecting themselves onto the show is also pretty shit.


Because it's all liberal whining at best with only the pedoshit having any relevance (and even then it's without context, as I doubt vivzie was aware of it at the time of production. I'm not a fan of this show, but making shit up to attack it, is pretty gay


She also drew two of her OCs interacting in a non-canon situation, a minor and a pedophile degenerate, but she clearly portrayed the pedo as creepy and dangerous.


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>OP asks for charlie pics
not a single solitary anon obliges, even after eight months

You people are disgraces. I will post my entire collection for you OP.


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>flood detected; post discarded


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I particularly like this one. It's so cute. I wonder what the hangul say.


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last ones. There's a charlie48 but it's the OP image of this thread.

Thank you all for your attendance.


>not a single solitary anon obliges, even after eight months
Because people don't feel like it? OP wasn't complaining either.


Watched it. I'm not interested in bitching about the script, but the Hazbin Hotel trailer is a drag and it only gets "okay" halfway after the Disney parody shit.

However, her other work, Helluva Boss, is actually pretty good and has a much better flow.tankieTankie


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based Satina poster


new Helluva Boss coming very soon. get hype




I've never been so down bad for a demon in office attire.



I like this one the most, all the classic demons getting the flyers :3


22 is subversive. didn't notice it at first, but I like it and it puts Charlie's plan in its place



stolas is top tier


Also it’s been half a decade and there is like, what, four videos?
How do people get obsessed with something with so little content…


You just have to appeal to the right group of people, and then they will basically make the show for you with OC


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posting rare charlie I came across a while back


thanks doc




Animation style is ugly, humor is lazy, and it tries to be edgy while saying nothing noteworthy or important.
In essence, its everything weebs and redditors love.


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it definitely uses sex and cursing as a crutch for its subpar writing, but I wouldn't call the animation ugly


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I wonder why they gave this female imp waiter a male voice



my friend anthony wyatt was an animator in it


why would it matter


Biology is RNG. Sometimes all someone's testosterone goes to one place, or is high everywhere except particular spots.


I get the feeling it's just to piss poltards off


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I suppose as good a place as any.

ITT: Anything Vivziepop / Hazbin hotel / Helluva boss related

Will season 2 of Helluva be gud?


first for arachnocommunism
second for just use the leftyco and furry threads you douchebag
third for atoms


We are claiming this thread as the new /co/ thread
where do i watch hazbin, i heard it's fully free on youtube by the creators or something


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leftyco is literally full ya big dum dum


Hazbin is currently just a pilot and some accesory animations and [two iirc] little comics released by the creator atm.

But yes the Hazbin pilot, and all of Helluva boss is available on vivziepops YouTube channel



im gonna watch it in halloween, it's a spooky kind of show, right?


It's not really spooky but it's got hell and demons and magic in it so it's as good a time as any


that's the true spirit of halloween
witches and demons and hell

makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside


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I would be okay with sleep paralysis if THIS was the demon.


also what do you think they drew that in digital


If this comment gets 100 replies I will make a Marxist analysis of Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss and post it to YouTube



stolas =3



Do it homo



so this is like the good place but animated?
what happened to hazbin? there's episodes for helluva but only a pilot for hazbin?

how did it get popular then
also the radio demon is totally what i would do too if i got powers, jjust broadcast defeating the old gods



Lack of VAs?



>If this comment gets 100 replies I will make a Marxist analysis of Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss and post it to YouTube
<only 7 replies
Too bad


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I bet you won't.



Actually there is a deadline, that deadline being the day Hazbin Hotel finally releases


Haven't look'd at Vivzie since vid related. What was all the drama about for Hazbin?


A24 canceled hazbin hotel because uh ari aster got into a fist fight with vivzie at a party in my house


>ari aster got into a fist fight with vivzie at a party in my house
>in my house
Hold up.


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season 2 when???


It now forever associates with porn in my brain after that 50k incident.


He reminds me of Ryuk from Death Note.


Thank you for the dump.


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It’s great and I’m exhausted of pretending like isn’t! The humour is below average and some of the designs are extremely flawed, but otherwise it’s peak KINO! I find it quiet annoying that bunch of 12 year olds have suddenly decides that they don’t like it and have decided to invent random controversies to justify their dislike of it. Like just say you don’t like it, why make up morality based excuses for not consuming certain things!


>It now forever associates with porn in my brain after that 50k incident.
even worse he's also exposed himself as a disgusting >no hooves enjoyer


do it homo


>If this comment gets 100 replies I will make a Marxist analysis of Hazbin Hotel/Helluva Boss and post it to YouTube
This is bait… but I'll take it on the off-chance of it habbening


I wouldn't say it's great. The animation is a downgrade from the pilot, but I kind of expected that. 8 episodes is way too short and it makes the story just rush on by. It makes the character development, which seems like the entire point of the show, feel really cheap.

I like the characters though and the angle of idealism overcoming cynicism. The music is fun too. At first I didn't really care for it, but it grew on me pretty quickly. Overall it's just a really fun show and the biggest detriment against it is just that the fun is over too soon.

>Like just say you don’t like it, why make up morality based excuses for not consuming certain things!

Yeah, there's this weird current where it's like "actually there IS ethical consumption under capitalism and if you're not consuming ethically then you're a white colonialist gaslighting abuser based on the popular culture you consume." Like I saw someone say that they hated HH because it was homophobic and transphobic because uhhhh it equates gay people with mass murderers because gay people were in hell. If you don't like something it's whatever but for some reason you're only allowed to not like something if it's for the right reasons, otherwise you dislike it for the wrong reasons which makes you a bad person also. It's insane.




Damn, one off from >>30666


>Like just say you don’t like it
I just don't like it so I never watched it, hell I only know about it because its so well-known and because I used to follow Vivzie's projects, dunno about the 12 year olds, but there's always people wanting to justify themselves for disliking something.

Here's another


Hazbin hotel is da Doo Doo stinky
we should go to church and repaint our sins
based eggmen said soo


Man I've been watching Helluva Boss and literally every male character is a giant faggot, I love it. Mad respect to Vizzie or whatever for getting the money to make this shit. The humor is a bit over the top and I don't really like all the murder shit but otherwise enjoying it, I see why this series is such porn bait now.


not for me, but happy that 2d animators are getting work.


Yeah the humor is a little juvenile and misses a lot of the time, the overuse of swearing (especially in certain songs where it seems just shoehorned in) is annoying. The characters are great though, they are entertaining, endearing, and have great chemistry. I really care about them and want to see them succeed, and they leave enough mystery surrounding certain characters (like Alastor) that the audience is left wanting a lot more. Personally I can't wait for the next season.


>overuse of swearing
go back to twitter
it has no more swearing then any other 2000's to 2010 adult cartoon


It's just lazy, swears are more funny if they're rare ish


>It's just lazy
It's neutral
It's was a common style back in day, that doesn't really change anything
it isn't any different and so far has less swearing
Twitter users are overrating or making shit up just to bitch about it


south park is hardly a good example anon, it's bottom of the barrel shit


>south park is hardly a good example anon
>good example
It's the more accurate example for the 2000's


I mean ok I never said it wasn't common I just said it was bad


twitter niigas just need say they just don't prefer the style rather then make bull points out there ass, it's bottom of the barrel shit


>just need say they just don't prefer the style rather then make bull points out there ass
welcome to internet discourse the past years, i hate it too


it makes the show worse, in my opinion, chill man its not like i said the show was evil


It's still a inaccurate point made just to justify to be negative with the show. Like twitter users addiction to be negative on anything else.


It doesn't really bother me in the dialogue, but it feels out of place in some of the songs.


Man will you stop whining, I like the show overall just think it could be better


It could be a lot better. It's kind of shocking that after four years in development this is what we got, something with all the problems of the pilot but not the animation to make up for it.


I miss Adam so much leftybros


Bitch, maybe he'll show back up in hell.


>Man will you stop whining
No. I still hate twitter


I don't even have a twitter


Yet you still spout the same shit that a twitter user vomits out like a commentary youtuber.


Full power to Vivziepop for making Amazon fund her broadway yaoi musical, on God bro.


Man how did they manage to get such a blatant criticism of Israel made lol?


I got that sense too lmao, or at least of imperialism in general. I doubt that was Vivzie's intention, but the parallels are too hard to ignore. Citizens of a prosperous world learn that their entire society is based on the periodic mass murder of the most vulnerable, wretched people in existence.


Ok, I take it back I guess, I hadn't actually watched Hazbin Hotel at that point, I think the humor in it is a lot more even than in Helluva Boss which definitely does rely too much on swears and shit.




genuinely the most horrid color composition ive seen in a big cartoon


how so? I think all of the main characters look good, only some side ones look silly (like whoever that sparkledog furry overlord is)


it's mostly about the environment for me rather than the characters individually
most things are red and everything just blends in


Is it even worth watching? I heard about it a long time ago and now it’s out or what


IMO yeah it's worth watching, not amazing but fun enough, not that much yaoi like Helluva Boss but oh well


i don't like it


Might give it a watch. I heard some moron spent 40k on some fanfic tier animation of him getting bonked by that girl or whatever


It was actually more like $50k, but yeah, pretty silly. I don't even get why anyone would hold a torch for Charlie, she's a pretty boring character with a boring design, even Twilight Sparkle had more depth IMO.


Yeah but like even if she was ultra Omgsisa who in their right mind spends that kind of money on basically a fucking mp4 clip


Well in somewhat fairness to the guy, he ran a YT channel and he claimed to somewhat have plans to use the animation as YT content, but it seems like a pretty dumb idea overall, and I guess he realised that


can someone give me (never watched past the pilot) the background?


I mean the pilot basically explains the plot, IMO it's an obvious commentary on Israel/imperialism. The show obviously has liberal characteristics but in the finale they organise some of the denizens of hell to fight off the angel hordes and kill Adam


>IMO it's an obvious commentary on Israel/imperialism
The parallels are there but I have a hard time believing that this was what Vivzie had in mind.


Months late to this party but what the hell was this drama about 50K and Verbalese relative to Vivzie Pop?


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Allegedly, Verbalese commissioned file attached for 50 000 dollars to some animator.


When he commissioned this did he know that Charlie is gay?


He allegedly did not know that, so he might have commissioned this animation without even knowing much about the character, since her gayness is like one of the few traits she has.


What if she's bi? Although it wouldn't make sense for her to make out with Verbalese anyway.


It is a really neat little video. I feel like 20 years ago it would be the kind of thing uploaded in 30 second segments on some insane person's website as he works on this personal project because of devotion to his clown demon waifu.


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But why? Why 50K… it's not even that well animated FFS.


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Seriously, two of the trends in the 2D porn industry which peeve me the most are:
>flat character given watermelon tits or samebody
>gay character slamming puss/lesbian character taking dicks for no reason
It's just a basic violation of the character. Hit me all you want with 'its art they can reinterpret it how they want' et cetera, I still feel the same way - it's critically lazy, degrading to the creativity of the character and I don't enjoy seeing it.

Self-inserts are just pathetic. I can't get past for my personal enjoyment that unless it's exceptionally creative or bizarre. But hey, glad you can enjoy it.


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>gay character slamming puss/lesbian character taking dicks for no reason
LOL, it's porn, do you really think anyone cares about that? And by that metric why aren't you angry about 2D porn having straight characters be gay? I've even seen the latter done out of pure spite for the rest of a fandom.
It sounds like you're projecting your own internalized insecurities here. And no, I'm not saying its about artistic reinterpretation, because porn - unless it's some truly well made stuff - isn't art. And fuck the "degrading" to the character's creativity; it's fucking porn, that in itself is degrading to a character's creativity, so your point is moot.

Do you think he'd care? It's a fictional character the appearance of which just appealed to his dumb ass. These things have never stopped people before from doing that or the reverse; just look at all the yaoi fanfiction and fanart of any popular anime where canonically straight characters are made gay for the sake of the 34th Rule?


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The animation is only good by the standards of 20 years ago. For 50K and for today's standards of indie animation this is mediocre as fuck and feels lifeless and forced, like a lot of commission works usually do.

Also, found this in >>>/siberia_archive/10491 because I remembered there was a /siberia/ thread about it.

>Self-inserts are just pathetic. I can't get past for my personal enjoyment that unless it's exceptionally creative or bizarre.
NTA but this I agree with.


>because porn - unless it's some truly well made stuff - isn't art
That sort of thinking has always bothered me a bit. The subject matter shouldn't bar something from being art. Granted most porn is extraordinarily bad art, but that doesn't make it not art.


Guys I've decided we need more communist villain songs, because they're the coolest ones. The right really has this market cornered right now.


yeah agree


The intent behind it plays a lot.
Porn can be art if it at least to say something, anything, if only a purely esthetic statement.

Most porn don't try to go further than basic sexual stimulation. And why would producers even try to purt more thought and effort than what's needed to make pp hard since that is exactly why most people consume porn.


What kind of dunce did the math here? Or is intentionally wrong calculation the new standard of humor now?


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>musical series set in Hell
>not a single metal song
ngl, kind of disappointing


I think VivziePop doesn't like metal much. WHY DON'T OTHER PEOPLE LIKE COOL THINGS!!?


Self-inserts don't even make sense plot-wise. Like, why is the self-insert there? What did the girl find in him? How likely are they to make out? How likely are they to meet in the first place? What was their backstory?

Also, the wish fulfillment aspect is cringe and the writing is bound to be at a level of an amateur fanfic.


that's one tasty riff


>flat character given watermelon tits or samebody
Conventional body standards, mah fella.
>gay character slamming puss/lesbian character taking dicks for no reason
Wish fulfillment, mah fella. Unless it's some thinly-veiled heteronormativity.


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Pea brain: Self insert as the MC's love interest.
Medium brain: Self insert as the MC
Galaxy brain: Self insert as both the MC and their love interest


>And why would producers even try to purt more thought and effort than what's needed to make pp hard since that is exactly why most people consume porn.
Because pure vulgarity doesn't make my pp hard, it's just gross. I'd prefer some soft erotica to some disgusting hardcore porn any day of the week. I don't care if the latter is more "realistic," maybe I never really wanted real sex in the first place.


Kissing oneself through a proxy.


Unfortunately for one guy like you there are one hundred undiscriminating coomers, so until you commission or make stuff yourself, you're stuck pearl diving in an ocean of shit.


>>40175 (me)
Also, aesthetic beauty depends on one's perspective and standards. First a Slaaneshi may draw beautiful paintings. Then they'll try to do the same with someone's blood. But hey, to them it's beautiful, people would just be too horrified to enjoy this beauty. People have different thresholds and criterias of what they consider beautiful, which is also often influenced by appeal to majority and appeal to authority: general consensus and opinions of "esthetes," "gourmants," "critics" and other "intellectuals."


I suffer a severe emotional pain every time I go on a Rule 34 site.


>LOL, it's porn, do you really think anyone cares about that?
I know for a fact people do. Why do you think I wrote that post, to pretend to care? Ha.
Stopped reading there.


I'm afraid that over half of people don't like metal, it's just not as marketable as generic pop. TBH it's a shame that more of the songs in Hazbin aren't better TBH, the only ones I've saved in my playlist are Respectless (only narrowly made it in due to catchy tune), Inside of Every Demon, Finale, You Didn't Know, Hell's Greatest Dad, Loser Baby, Poison, Stayed Gone and Hell is Forever, that's a fair few but it's less than half the songs.


Why are people so boring? Why can't they be edgelords like me? Sad.


>People care about it, I care
Most people do not, because most people aren't retarded enough to do that
>stopped reading
Thanks for proving my point.


Sorry anon. It just sounds grating to a lot of people.

Speaking of boring, all of Charlie's songs are bad except for the one in the pilot, why couldn't they keep her manic and slightly deranged energy from that into the actual show? Harmonist doesn't have to mean lame.


Just finished watching the series. I liked it more than Helluva boss, although I do find it more clique than that one. Song elevate it, most of them are not good (although Hell is Forever and the one they sang at Heavenly court slaps), but all in Helluva Boss suck.


Also one thing I noticed, they described Adam as the first human to enter Heaven, which makes me wonder, what happened to Abel?


THIS, Charlie's songs are medicore. You could feel it the most in the first episode, where you get a banger that is "hell is forever" and weak-ass shit-bait that is "Happy Day in Hell'.
Only moment where Charlie is strong singer is the duets like "You didn't know"


If it sucks off Divine Comedy as hard with it as it does with everything else, then Abel too was raised to heaven by Jesus. So at best he got there at the same time as Adam. Remember, no heaven pre-jesus for anyone.


What a stupid post. Hope you were high.


>all in Helluva Boss suck

Nah the one from the truth gas episode is good (but I'm a sucker for gay shit and Moxxie is drawn so fucking cute in his sections)


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>this song is good because the graphics are cute
…am I misreading this? Please tell me I'm misreading this.


The 'music video' contributes to me liking the song.


I like the part where Blitz calls him a bitch lmao.


just watched it, twas ok, but yeah most of the songs are mediocre, the disney shit is… disney shit. Basically the best is the first adam one, with the radio demon vs vid demon close second. Most good songs were the duel ones when I think about it, radio demon vs lucifer was kinda cool too, and the #bitch vs overlords. But the played straight disney shit was just booooriiiing ear sore (the arms dealer singing about fighting with love was SO cringe). Cant imagine recommending this.
(just remembered the we're all loosers one, which was good and felt more like a good disney parody)
The theme is interesting enough, poking fun at the heaven/hell inherent contradiction (so we're the good guys but we just let the bad suffer forever and even indulge in some mass random killing, and in hell you play your cards right and you can get super powerful and indulge and enjoy your evil), as we get one guy get actually redeemed im pretty curious to see if adam end up in hell.
Although Im actually more interested in the power dynamics and politics of hell (well i just like politicking in series). The video vs radio rivalry was pretty good, and I like the theme of newer vices like tv radio and social media being the new power in hell and shitting on old demons.
The transition from "let try to redeem some demons" to "those crazy angel fucks are hellbent on slaughtering us, lets make a stand and fuck them up" felt good. But a bit disappointing to have daddy lucifer come and handle everything in the end and back to plan 1.
They seem to have some clear outline for the follow up of the story at least, with lilith coming back (and a deal being broken… stop organizing hell to fight back and you get to enjoy heaven beaches?) and being hinted at having alastor on leash (which finally give a good explanation for why he help with the hotel thing, and having a favor with the daughter should help him get freed)
Oh and I liked the art mostly.
Hope theres more to the theme "being good is actually fighting back for whats right"


Yesterday I wrote I liked Hazbin more than Helluva Boss, but today after watching the second season of the latter, I retract that statement. Hazbin feels more constrained and by-the-numbers, probably due to being published by Prime, so there might have been some meddling. Helluva Boss on the other hand is so unapologetically horny, but also has more hearth, the romance between Blitz and his sugar daddy is more nuanced than anything in Hazbin.


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>Although Im actually more interested in the power dynamics and politics of hell
Iirc this is the official power hierarchy, referring both to the abilities and social rankings of various types of demons.


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I appreciate the little touch of having sinners be fucked up evil bastards, while demons are rather anarchic, but dont seem any worse than normal people.


I mean IMP literally kills people for money, but then again they know that the afterlife is real so that changes the morality of killing humans I think. Most of the hellborn demons do seem pretty shitty to each other, or at least tend towards the sins of the ring they're from. Imps are shown as being obsessed with violence (wrath), succubi are always horny (lust), the shark people from greed seem heavily involved with theft and fraud, etc. Still though, they definitely made an effort to at least make the main characters likable and that requires them to not be total monsters despite being literal hellspawn.



<Jehovah, who of all the good gods adored by men was certainly the most jealous, the most vain, the most ferocious, the most unjust, the most bloodthirsty, the most despotic, and the most hostile to human dignity and liberty — Jehovah had just created Adam and Eve, to satisfy we know not what caprice; no doubt to while away his time, which must weigh heavy on his hands in his eternal egoistic solitude, or that he might have some new slaves. He generously placed at their disposal the whole earth, with all its fruits and animals, and set but a single limit to this complete enjoyment. He expressly forbade them from touching the fruit of the tree of knowledge. He wished, therefore, that man, destitute of all understanding of himself, should remain an eternal beast, ever on all-fours before the eternal God, his creator and his master. But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge.


big ups to my boy satan


Thats a different character from Lucifer.


>but I'm a sucker for gay shit and Moxxie is drawn so fucking cute in his sections
Moxxie is cute but Stolas is the true S tier husbando material.
>tfw no rich, tall, slender, sophisticated bird demon bf


Too high to find the post talking about the music.

I wasn't in love with it at first. Charlie's song in the first episode really didn't grab me. Her as a character really doesn't grab my either tbh. She's just sweet? That's fine. She and her songs are fine, but just.

Everyone else's songs kind of grew on me though. I kind of have to set aside Keith David though because he's in a league of his own as a voice actor. I don't feel like he does anything special in this, but as always the man is a pleasure to listen to. That's a gift from god, right there. He's the sort of person that companies should be training AIs on, because that's the platonic ideal of a Man's Voice. It definitely helps though that he is an exceptional actor. He's Goliath in the Gargoyles cartoon, and you get to listen to David get really theatrical with his deliveries, real fun.

So it was hearing You're a Loser over and over again that got me listening to the other songs repeatedly too, and the more I heard them the more they grew on me. Lucifer's song is a lot of fun too. The different qualities in Lucifer and Radio Demon's voice has a nice audio textural contrast? That's something it shares with Losers too I think.

Angel's voice is really weird. I kind of hate it, but I also kind of like it. It kind of feels like being scratched in the back of the sinus with a really long needle. It's vaguely uncomfortable but not exactly unpleasant or painful, but the itch it happens to scratch is pleasant.

Like his line "I'm a loser, honey, a schmoozer and a dummy," the way he says "a dummy" and "I'm not alone," it feels like it's way too high and sharp a note, like it should be an annoying sound, but the aural shape of it is overall pleasant.


Adam's not a great character, but he is a pretty effective one. He's such a fucking prick and he has absolutely no reason to be. It seems like he's efficiently designed to give the viewer reasons to hate him. I wonder about the decision to make him white though from an ideological perspective.

It seemed like the intention was to make him fit the frat/dude bro stereotype, and it seems kind of weird to give him a race at all. Everyone is some kind of gremlin or snarf or something. I had no idea that his face was something he was wearing until it broke, because why not? Everyone else looks like some weird fucked up thing, so why is he the one actual human so far.


In Heaven there were number of angels that look just like humans.


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LMAO now that I think about it, did Hazbin basically take a plotline from RWBY for Adam?


Everyone's enjoying these cartoons made for mentally ill teenage girls, but is it time to get excited for cartoons made for mentally ill teenage boys?


Mentally ill teenage girls are 𝖈𝖔𝖔𝖑 and 𝒶ℯ𝓈𝓉𝒽ℯ𝓉𝒾𝒸, representing free spirit rebelling against the dullness of the world. Teenage boys are just unfinished men, a raw unprocessed material yet to be turned into anything noteworthy.
Anyway, my point is it looks dogshit.


Hard disagree with the sentiment about female youth and male youth.

Of course you would adore female youth. Hebegynophilia is an unfortunate msle pathology.

"Boys are defective men" but "girls are perfect women"?


pedo alert


its not pedo. its hebe. hebegynophilia


I searched that word and it doesnt exist.
And yes, boys are defective until they make themselves undefective, which takes time and effort. Girls on the other hand are perfect in a sense that world is yet to crush their soul. Look at a group of teenagers, usually the girls will be dressed in an interesting expressive manner, while boys all look like shit. As they age men find their style, women lose theirs.

I am not making some redpill "wall" argument, I think the core of it lies in girls and women being more and faster socialized. So they are already civilized people while boys are still feral, but in adulthood that turns into oversocialisation and loss of individual uniqueness.


Ypure only looking at a few. Girls are only valued for their physical beauty thays why. Boys are treated like comic relief and are pathologised for seeking beauty.

Also, I hang out with older people. Older men are kinda sloppy and overestimate their virtue.
Older women are the opposite.

Teenage girls are "perfect" because youre conditioned to look only at their physical beauty.

If you put young women in industrial situations, they tend to take the easy way out Theyre less willing to get heor hands dirty.


Gilrs are socialised in their way boys are socialised their own way.

Boys are more athletic and active. Unfortuneatley our chivalric Anglo society pathologises this.

Girls are "socialised" by mere gossiping. But that doesnt mean theyre "civilised."

Its just that girls are given more sympathy.
If boys were to act like girls in terms of perfection you woukd pathologise them as "faggots".


Shut the fuck up, girls and (homosexual) boys can enjoy this, and that 40k ripoff looks like shit


>40k ripoff
You understand what a parody is right?


>that 40k ripoff looks like shit
Show us something better then why don't you


>You understand what a parody is right?

40k is already a parody of itself, what more is needed


>waah waah people don’t like a shitty cartoon about killing furries that got unfunny after the first time

that channel has been making the same “edgy” 40k cartoon for a decade if not more.


It wasn't even funny the first time, like, can someone explain the joke to me?


>waah waah people don’t like a shitty cartoon about killing furries that got unfunny after the first time

So a) you didn't even watch the video and b) you have nothing to actually offer that's better


Ok, upon watching the whole thing its kind of fun, its just the end sales pitch thats absolutely embarrassing.


Kind of agree. I mean you gotta get that green but still.

Overall I think the animation is pretty good and I like the parody aspect. As a cartoon the second half kind of feels flatter than the first but it's fine overall. I'd like to see more.


I want to see more as well, but I am skeptical whether the premise of "Warhammer 40K but even sillier" has enough potential to be stretched into an entire series.


Flashgitz makes content(derogatory).

It was an early 4chan meme that they stole lmao.


>It was an early 4chan meme that they stole lmao.

I mean yeah the 'joke' is literally just 'hurhur furries should die'.


They should make a helltaker anime.


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>t.Salty Furfags


i'd rather watch starship troopers for the 6th time tbh


We walked so that trollsonas and Hazbinners could run.


wish they'd used a better VA for Sallie May


hazbin hotel should have released it’s episode in a slower pace. Helluva boss has managed to stay in the minds if people thanks to it’s slow release.


>debating the pedophile on the subject of girls being perfect angels and boys being nasty rotten wastelings who don't deserve them
You can just let them rot with their kids' tv shows.
Old guys are always convinced they have figured something out about life, even if it's just been wasted on bullshit they hated.
They love spouting shit less deep than Robert Crump comics right up til the bitter end. I tried to engage a few of them about it but they don't want to do anything other than jerk off, it's like people who are thrilled by Quanta articles.


>robert crump


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robert krump


I mean, you're not wrong. I (>>40534) am indeed a furfag. Although I don't find it objectionable because I'm a furry. I find it objectionable because it, and Flashgitz' content in general, is bland, sterile slop, only generated to get views on Youtube presenting itself as edgy and rebellious, and has attracted an audience of retards that buy into it.


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people besides euroids have blue eyes. also wait till you see assad's wife. she's so hot


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SÉX with Asma Al-Assad


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Is Hazbin Hotel legitimately good or is it essentially the next Steven Universe where its only "good" for ticking off check boxes for a particular community?


Kinda both, some of it is actually good and some of it is what you describe for /sug/




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Stolas has had enough of Blitzø's shit


It's not really that funny but it's attractive to watch especially if you like furry stuff and the characters are good for porn or fan stuff.


The animation is a downgrade in some ways from the pilot and the 8 or so episodes they have to work with makes the character development feel rushed, but the music ended up growing on me. Personally I can't hate anything if it's got Keith David in it.

Come to think of it, X Men 97 got its reboot. I wonder if they'll do Gargoyles next.


I think I might be turning into a birdfag.



remember when this show was about imps running a hitman company in hell?


>CTRL+F "Loona"
>Phrase not found
I'm relived, but oddly disappointed


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Yeah, it wasn't that good or funny, I want my yaoi and gushy feelings.


both gay
Blitzø did nothing wrong


yeah I feel I got baited into watching girly relationship drama shit


Vivziepop to early supporters who obviously didn't read Zoophobia and wanted some tedious adult animated comedy thing


If you are an edgy teen or never moved out of parent's basement…if the only things that make you laugh are sex jokes and violence…if you buy your clothes at Hot Topic…if you like like bad animation…then this show is exactly what you are looking for.

Some dude (or chick?) from Deviant Art got enough money to make their own show and boy, does it show. It just proves that in this day and age anyone with an internet connection can have their own cartoon shows.

Every single joke is predictable, the songs are cathcy but forgetable, the character design is horrendous and every other word is a swear. Guys, they have a character that pretty much is walking talking sex and drug joke.

Poor Keith David. He takes every job nowadays for a hot meal.


>bad animation
this has to be bait


I tried a couple of times to watch this but it's excruciating to watch in both the animation style and colour palette. Furthermore, the jokes (?) fall flat. Given that intellectually and stylistically, it's geared towards teens, I don't really think the language suits the audience. Throwing in swearwords and adult contexts doesn't automatically make a show for an adult audience. Honestly, I'm not sure who this is even for - except maybe those awkward DeviantArt lurkers. If this is where adult animation is heading, it's a shame because this is a juvenile and unfunny offering that smacks of trying to be edgy but failing in every way. Sorry I couldn't be more positive but I couldn't even sit through the show let alone find a good angle to come from. Poor!


I mean yeah, the swearing and sex jokes are obvious crutches, and the writing is shit. but I don't see how you can call the animation bad. please elaborate


fine, animation is just alright but the jokes aren't funny, the humor is that of a 12 year old boy just learning curse words, and the visuals are too fast, too chaotic, and messy. The premise seems good and the story of helping those who are flawed find redemption seems fairly solid. But thats overshadowed quickly by flashy musical numbers with no real substance or purpose besides keeping the audience's attention- much like dangling keys in front of a toddler.


> Mentally ill teenage girls are 𝖈𝖔𝖔𝖑 and 𝒶ℯ𝓈𝓉𝒽ℯ𝓉𝒾𝒸, representing free spirit rebelling against the dullness of the world.

this you?



The animation is kind of a letdown compared to the pilot. I guess amazon didn't have much cash to spare after flops of power.


>Some dude (or chick?) from Deviant Art got enough money to make their own show and boy, does it show.

I prefer this infinitely to corposlop, as rough as it sometimes is


>the humor is that of a 12 year old boy just learning curse words
twitter users spotted


true but drawing gay imps costs money

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