How do you feel about it (and its creator)?
also please spam Charlie pics
>>5452Is she Armenian by chance?
Because she is doing the same to female characters of a Netherlandish kickstarter cartoon.
>>5465>white girl humorgood
>haramhave sex incel
>>5447The plot is that hell is too overpopulated right? Yet it's apparently possible to permanently murder people in hell. But it's already the afterlife? Where do they go?
>>5478Is he a tranny? Why does he have breasts?
>>5508Why does he have breasts?
It's a puff of chest hair. Plenty of muscular dudes can squeeze their pecs to look like tiny tits.
>>5447I loved it and Alastor was my favorite character followed by the spider. Obviously the drawings are way too complex to keep up a good pace for animating it all, and everything's too colorful and cluttered, so in that regard Helluva Boss was better (except the human kid which looks like something out of a John K cartoon, it's absolutely jarring)
>>5465>White Girl level humorBut the creator is a Latina???
>>5587>I only vaguely know there is supposedly some kinda drama.As far as I could tell, that drama was based on absolutely nothing (like her drawing some internet celebrities that turned out to be "problematic", years ago, or her edgy representation of LGBT characters in hell being seen as "homophobic" somehow)
I see no reason not to support her.
>>5508>Is he a tranny? Why does he have breasts?Not trans as far as we know, he's a (gay?) male prostitute. So basically a twink.
>>8925'Very bad people'
Jeez, could they be a bit more specific before they level accusations like this?
>>8925>pedophiles>art industryIf this was proven true that wouldn't even be surprising. And "very bad people"? Come on.
I've had several conversations with liberals and idpol leftists about artists and what do to about them if they hold problematic views (not talking about convicted criminals like Polanski). When it comes to fiction I can't stand this search for purity, great artists are often terrible people but you can't deny how important their art is. It's sad to hear educated petit-bourgeois wanting to cancel current geniuses once their culture is already built upon books and movies made by classical reactionaries. (although it's not the same when a random animator said the n-word I guess)
>>5451Trash-tier: Hazbin, Helluva Boss
Coomer-tier: Helltaker
Okay-tier: Satina
>>8935>Never heard of it<It looks so much more generic
Muh dude. Hazbin and most of Vizies shit only look good for a stroke victim.
>>11197If I remember correctly the "pedophile" claims are because some of the artists (including vivie) have drawn shota/loli and normies are moralfagging about it.
I also think it's hilarious how they're bitching about the gay spider not being good representation when 99% of the shows popularity and merchandise sales come from gays loving the character. It also wouldn't surprise me if it's less about the representation of homosexuals, and more that a gay character who doesn't care about political correctness ruins their SJW-esque narrative.
>>11209>If I remember correctly the "pedophile" claims are because some of the artists (including vivie) have drawn shota/loli and normies are moralfagging about it.This wouldn't surprise me. It's not my cup of tea, but I also know artists draw a lot of weird shit.
>I also think it's hilarious how they're bitching about the gay spider not being good representation when 99% of the shows popularity and merchandise sales come from gays loving the character. It also wouldn't surprise me if it's less about the representation of homosexuals, and more that a gay character who doesn't care about political correctness ruins their SJW-esque narrative.This. But it also strikes me as missing the fairly obvious jab at Christianity and Abrahamism in general. God (heh) forbid these people should be against the Church or anything like that.
>>8925>1. the character vaggie is supposed to be the angry latina stereotype.Who gives a shit. Also Vivzie is a Latine.
t. Latina
>2He's certainly represented in a more favorable way than all the non-gay evil demons in the cartoon's universe. Basically the criticisms boil down to him being promiscuous (just like all the other citizens of Hell, but critics say this character is just portraying all gays as stereotypically slutty and sinners) and the
supposed implication that he's eventually going to redeem himself by not being gay anymore (because gayness=promiscuity obviously), as if the creator meant that being gay is a sin or something. Nevermind the fact that the two [b]good[/b] main characters are lesbian lovers. I guess by making Angel Dust an important character and giving him some redeeming and humane qualities Vivzie shoot herself in the foot. Again these people find whatever excuse they can to create drama.
>3, 4>it is confirmedRead: rumors that have already been debunked or very minor offenses that she's not really at fault.
https://kirain.tumblr.com/post/188863354586/hazbin-hotel-and-vivziepop-drama Unless that screenshot is referring to new accusations since then, this link addresses most of these rumors, including the loli/shota thing and "plagiarism". Other than Chris Niosi I don't recall any other alleged pedophile or "very bad people" that she was accused of associating with.
>>11324Yeah, that one's completely true, Vivzie drew her and judging by the screenshot she was aware of that joke, though it's not clear if she knew before or after drawing the fanart (if she found out in that tweet, she probably didn't process the gravity of the "joke" immediately). However this was years ago and she doesn't seem to support her and others like her anymore; she was probably just too tolerant of that kind of people for childish reasons, whether that was temporary anti-SJW-ism, edginess, or naivete, not genuinely bad intentions. And yes, it was addressed in the link, under "supports problematic creators" where she apologizes, because it looks like this Blaire White wasn't the only retard she was criticized for supporting.
<HELLUVA BOSS - Loo Loo Land // S1: Episode 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kpnwRg268FQthoughts?
>>18799
>Charlie5 I've never been so down bad for a demon in office attire.
>>18803
>Charlie22I like this one the most, all the classic demons getting the flyers :3
>>5465This
Also it’s been half a decade and there is like, what, four videos?
How do people get obsessed with something with so little content…
>>29016Hazbin is currently just a pilot and some accesory animations and [two iirc] little comics released by the creator atm.
But yes the Hazbin pilot, and all of Helluva boss is available on vivziepops YouTube channel
https://www.youtube.com/c/SpindleHorse >>29018nice
im gonna watch it in halloween, it's a spooky kind of show, right?
>>29023that's the true spirit of halloween
witches and demons and hell
makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside
>>29069why
also what do you think they drew that in digital
>>5447It now forever associates with porn in my brain after that 50k incident.
>>18800CHIIIKIII BRIIIKIII!!
>>39244>It now forever associates with porn in my brain after that 50k incident.even worse he's also exposed himself as a disgusting
>no hooves enjoyer
>>39248I wouldn't say it's great. The animation is a downgrade from the pilot, but I kind of expected that. 8 episodes is way too short and it makes the story just rush on by. It makes the character development, which seems like the entire point of the show, feel really cheap.
I like the characters though and the angle of idealism overcoming cynicism. The music is fun too. At first I didn't really care for it, but it grew on me pretty quickly. Overall it's just a really fun show and the biggest detriment against it is just that the fun is over too soon.
>Like just say you don’t like it, why make up morality based excuses for not consuming certain things!Yeah, there's this weird current where it's like "actually there IS ethical consumption under capitalism and if you're not consuming ethically then you're a white colonialist gaslighting abuser based on the popular culture you consume." Like I saw someone say that they hated HH because it was homophobic and transphobic because uhhhh it equates gay people with mass murderers because gay people were in hell. If you don't like something it's whatever but for some reason you're only allowed to not like something if it's for the right reasons, otherwise you dislike it for the wrong reasons which makes you a bad person also. It's insane.
>>39248>Like just say you don’t like it I just don't like it so I never watched it, hell I only know about it because its so well-known and because I used to follow Vivzie's projects, dunno about the 12 year olds, but there's always people wanting to justify themselves for disliking something.
>>30667 Here's another
>>39451>overuse of swearinggo back to twitter
it has no more swearing then any other 2000's to 2010 adult cartoon
>>39471>It's just lazyIt's neutral
It's was a common style back in day, that doesn't really change anything
it isn't any different and so far has less swearing
Twitter users are overrating or making shit up just to bitch about it
>>39476twitter
niigas just need say they just don't prefer the style rather then make bull points out there ass, it's bottom of the barrel shit
>>39496Yet you still spout the same shit that a twitter user vomits out like a
commentary youtuber.
>>39942it's mostly about the environment for me rather than the characters individually
most things are red and everything just blends in
>>40102Seriously, two of the trends in the 2D porn industry which peeve me the most are:
>flat character given watermelon tits or samebody>gay character slamming puss/lesbian character taking dicks for no reasonIt's just a basic violation of the character. Hit me all you want with 'its art they can reinterpret it how they want' et cetera, I still feel the same way - it's critically lazy, degrading to the creativity of the character and I don't enjoy seeing it.
>>40106Self-inserts are just pathetic. I can't get past for my personal enjoyment that unless it's exceptionally creative or bizarre. But hey, glad you can enjoy it.
>>40122>gay character slamming puss/lesbian character taking dicks for no reasonLOL, it's porn, do you really think anyone cares about that? And by that metric why aren't you angry about 2D porn having straight characters be gay? I've even seen the latter done out of pure spite for the rest of a fandom.
It sounds like you're projecting your own internalized insecurities here. And no, I'm not saying its about artistic reinterpretation, because porn - unless it's some truly well made stuff - isn't art. And fuck the "degrading" to the character's creativity; it's fucking porn, that in itself is degrading to a character's creativity, so your point is moot.
>>40102Do you think he'd care? It's a fictional character the appearance of which just appealed to his dumb ass. These things have never stopped people before from doing that or the reverse; just look at all the yaoi fanfiction and fanart of any popular anime where canonically straight characters are made gay for the sake of the 34th Rule?
>>40106The animation is only good by the standards of 20 years ago. For 50K and for today's standards of indie animation this is mediocre as fuck and feels lifeless and forced, like a lot of commission works usually do.
Also, found this in
>>>/siberia_archive/10491 because I remembered there was a /siberia/ thread about it.
>>40122>Self-inserts are just pathetic. I can't get past for my personal enjoyment that unless it's exceptionally creative or bizarre. NTA but this I agree with.
>>40145The intent behind it plays a lot.
Porn can be art if it at least to say something, anything, if only a purely esthetic statement.
Most porn don't try to go further than basic sexual stimulation. And why would producers even try to purt more thought and effort than what's needed to make pp hard since that is exactly why most people consume porn.
>>40122Self-inserts don't even make sense plot-wise. Like, why is the self-insert there? What did the girl find in him? How likely are they to make out? How likely are they to meet in the first place? What was their backstory?
Also, the wish fulfillment aspect is cringe and the writing is bound to be at a level of an amateur fanfic.
>>40122>flat character given watermelon tits or samebodyConventional body standards, mah fella.
>gay character slamming puss/lesbian character taking dicks for no reasonWish fulfillment, mah fella. Unless it's some thinly-veiled heteronormativity.
>>40171Pea brain: Self insert as the MC's love interest.
Medium brain: Self insert as the MC
Galaxy brain: Self insert as both the MC and their love interest
>>40175 (me)
Also, aesthetic beauty depends on one's perspective and standards. First a Slaaneshi may draw beautiful paintings. Then they'll try to do the same with someone's blood. But hey, to them it's beautiful, people would just be too horrified to enjoy this beauty. People have different thresholds and criterias of what they consider beautiful, which is also often influenced by appeal to majority and appeal to authority: general consensus and opinions of "esthetes," "gourmants," "critics" and other "intellectuals."
>>40133>LOL, it's porn, do you really think anyone cares about that?I know for a fact people do. Why do you think I wrote that post, to pretend to care? Ha.
Stopped reading there.
>>40168I'm afraid that over half of people don't like metal, it's just not as marketable as generic pop. TBH it's a shame that more of the songs in Hazbin aren't better TBH, the only ones I've saved in my playlist are Respectless (only narrowly made it in due to catchy tune), Inside of Every Demon, Finale, You Didn't Know, Hell's Greatest Dad, Loser Baby, Poison, Stayed Gone and Hell is Forever, that's a fair few but it's less than half the songs.
>>40199>People care about it, I careMost people do not, because most people aren't retarded enough to do that
>stopped readingThanks for proving my point.
>>40209Sorry anon. It just sounds grating to a lot of people.
Speaking of boring, all of Charlie's songs are bad except for the one in the pilot, why couldn't they keep her manic and slightly deranged energy from that into the actual show? Harmonist doesn't have to mean lame.
>>40212THIS, Charlie's songs are medicore. You could feel it the most in the first episode, where you get a banger that is "hell is forever" and weak-ass shit-bait that is "Happy Day in Hell'.
Only moment where Charlie is strong singer is the duets like "You didn't know"
just watched it, twas ok, but yeah most of the songs are mediocre, the disney shit is… disney shit. Basically the best is the first adam one, with the radio demon vs vid demon close second. Most good songs were the duel ones when I think about it, radio demon vs lucifer was kinda cool too, and the #bitch vs overlords. But the played straight disney shit was just booooriiiing ear sore (the arms dealer singing about fighting with love was SO cringe). Cant imagine recommending this.
(just remembered the we're all loosers one, which was good and felt more like a good disney parody)
The theme is interesting enough, poking fun at the heaven/hell inherent contradiction (so we're the good guys but we just let the bad suffer forever and even indulge in some mass random killing, and in hell you play your cards right and you can get super powerful and indulge and enjoy your evil), as we get one guy get actually redeemed im pretty curious to see if adam end up in hell.
Although Im actually more interested in the power dynamics and politics of hell (well i just like politicking in series). The video vs radio rivalry was pretty good, and I like the theme of newer vices like tv radio and social media being the new power in hell and shitting on old demons.
The transition from "let try to redeem some demons" to "those crazy angel fucks are hellbent on slaughtering us, lets make a stand and fuck them up" felt good. But a bit disappointing to have daddy lucifer come and handle everything in the end and back to plan 1.
They seem to have some clear outline for the follow up of the story at least, with lilith coming back (and a deal being broken… stop organizing hell to fight back and you get to enjoy heaven beaches?) and being hinted at having alastor on leash (which finally give a good explanation for why he help with the hotel thing, and having a favor with the daughter should help him get freed)
Oh and I liked the art mostly.
Hope theres more to the theme "being good is actually fighting back for whats right"
>>40280LUCIFERDIDNUFFINWRONG
<Jehovah, who of all the good gods adored by men was certainly the most jealous, the most vain, the most ferocious, the most unjust, the most bloodthirsty, the most despotic, and the most hostile to human dignity and liberty — Jehovah had just created Adam and Eve, to satisfy we know not what caprice; no doubt to while away his time, which must weigh heavy on his hands in his eternal egoistic solitude, or that he might have some new slaves. He generously placed at their disposal the whole earth, with all its fruits and animals, and set but a single limit to this complete enjoyment. He expressly forbade them from touching the fruit of the tree of knowledge. He wished, therefore, that man, destitute of all understanding of himself, should remain an eternal beast, ever on all-fours before the eternal God, his creator and his master. But here steps in Satan, the eternal rebel, the first freethinker and the emancipator of worlds. He makes man ashamed of his bestial ignorance and obedience; he emancipates him, stamps upon his brow the seal of liberty and humanity, in urging him to disobey and eat of the fruit of knowledge. Too high to find the post talking about the music.
I wasn't in love with it at first. Charlie's song in the first episode really didn't grab me. Her as a character really doesn't grab my either tbh. She's just sweet? That's fine. She and her songs are fine, but just.
Everyone else's songs kind of grew on me though. I kind of have to set aside Keith David though because he's in a league of his own as a voice actor. I don't feel like he does anything special in this, but as always the man is a pleasure to listen to. That's a gift from god, right there. He's the sort of person that companies should be training AIs on, because that's the platonic ideal of a Man's Voice. It definitely helps though that he is an exceptional actor. He's Goliath in the Gargoyles cartoon, and you get to listen to David get really theatrical with his deliveries, real fun.
So it was hearing You're a Loser over and over again that got me listening to the other songs repeatedly too, and the more I heard them the more they grew on me. Lucifer's song is a lot of fun too. The different qualities in Lucifer and Radio Demon's voice has a nice audio textural contrast? That's something it shares with Losers too I think.
Angel's voice is really weird. I kind of hate it, but I also kind of like it. It kind of feels like being scratched in the back of the sinus with a really long needle. It's vaguely uncomfortable but not exactly unpleasant or painful, but the itch it happens to scratch is pleasant.
Like his line "I'm a loser, honey, a schmoozer and a dummy," the way he says "a dummy" and "I'm not alone," it feels like it's way too high and sharp a note, like it should be an annoying sound, but the aural shape of it is overall pleasant.
>>40382Mentally ill teenage girls are 𝖈𝖔𝖔𝖑 and 𝒶ℯ𝓈𝓉𝒽ℯ𝓉𝒾𝒸, representing free spirit rebelling against the dullness of the world. Teenage boys are just unfinished men, a raw unprocessed material yet to be turned into anything noteworthy.
Anyway, my point is it looks dogshit.
>>40383Hard disagree with the sentiment about female youth and male youth.
Of course you would adore female youth. Hebegynophilia is an unfortunate msle pathology.
"Boys are defective men" but "girls are perfect women"?
>>40385>Hebegynophilia I searched that word and it doesnt exist.
And yes, boys are defective until they make themselves undefective, which takes time and effort. Girls on the other hand are perfect in a sense that world is yet to crush their soul. Look at a group of teenagers, usually the girls will be dressed in an interesting expressive manner, while boys all look like shit. As they age men find their style, women lose theirs.
>>40386I am not making some redpill "wall" argument, I think the core of it lies in girls and women being more and faster socialized. So they are already civilized people while boys are still feral, but in adulthood that turns into oversocialisation and loss of individual uniqueness.
>>40388Ypure only looking at a few. Girls are only valued for their physical beauty thays why. Boys are treated like comic relief and are pathologised for seeking beauty.
Also, I hang out with older people. Older men are kinda sloppy and overestimate their virtue.
Older women are the opposite.
Teenage girls are "perfect" because youre conditioned to look only at their physical beauty.
If you put young women in industrial situations, they tend to take the easy way out Theyre less willing to get heor hands dirty.
>>40388Gilrs are socialised in their way boys are socialised their own way.
Boys are more athletic and active. Unfortuneatley our chivalric Anglo society pathologises this.
Girls are "socialised" by mere gossiping. But that doesnt mean theyre "civilised."
Its just that girls are given more sympathy.
If boys were to act like girls in terms of perfection you woukd pathologise them as "faggots".
>>40442Kind of agree. I mean you gotta get that green but still.
Overall I think the animation is pretty good and I like the parody aspect. As a cartoon the second half kind of feels flatter than the first but it's fine overall. I'd like to see more.
>>40382Flashgitz makes content(derogatory).
>>40428It was an early 4chan meme that they stole lmao.
>>40390>debating the pedophile on the subject of girls being perfect angels and boys being nasty rotten wastelings who don't deserve themYou can just let them rot with their kids' tv shows.
Old guys are always convinced they have figured something out about life, even if it's just been wasted on bullshit they hated.
They love spouting shit less deep than Robert Crump comics right up til the bitter end. I tried to engage a few of them about it but they don't want to do anything other than jerk off, it's like people who are thrilled by Quanta articles.
>>41687The animation is a downgrade in some ways from the pilot and the 8 or so episodes they have to work with makes the character development feel rushed, but the music ended up growing on me. Personally I can't hate anything if it's got Keith David in it.
Come to think of it, X Men 97 got its reboot. I wonder if they'll do Gargoyles next.
>>42816>>42397both gay
Blitzø did nothing wrong
>>5453hazbin hotel outlasts ASS-AD regime
gay spider won
>>45435true
although the unironic rape defense is kind of kek worthy
also the "le fricking epic gay power" twink ocs do crack me up every time
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