DUNE Anonymous Comrade 2020-12-21 (Mon) 04:55:02 No. 9852 [View All]
Dune discussion general.
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Anonymous 2021-09-11 (Sat) 22:47:26 No. 19598
>>19574 >I mean getting sent to Atreides was basically him getting exiled by the Emperor
Not exactly. Arrakis is the only place where spice exists, to be governor of Arrakis is a big deal, cause you can make a lot of money and become prestigious. The Emperor sent him into a trap, to be killed by the Harkonnens. Leto is actually aware that this is a possibility, but denying the emperor would be tantamount to mutiny and it'd give the Emperor an excuse to destroy his house. So he has to go, hoping his guards and protection he had would be enough. But it turned out House Atreides had a traitor working for the Harkonnens very close to the Duke. Emperor even sent two legions of Sardaukar to fight in Harkonnen uniforms against Leto. So basically it all seemed like a House fighting another House, and the Emperor actually "helping" Duke Leto by giving him rule over a coveted planet.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 21:06:20 No. 19614
Leto knows his standing with the other noble houses is an illusion and that none of them would lift a finger to help him if attacked.
Anonymous 2021-09-12 (Sun) 21:28:20 No. 19615
So they won't be delaying this again even if covid gets really bad, right? They'll just release it on streaming I guess. Which will basically condemn it to not getting the 2nd part made.
Anonymous 2021-09-17 (Fri) 21:32:02 No. 19676
Just bought an IMAX ticket for Monday. Stoked. Going for the afternoon matinee, when I was buying the ticket the theatre was empty, only 7 seats taken so far. It's gonna be maximum comfy.
Anonymous 2021-09-17 (Fri) 22:10:14 No. 19677
Will we see Timothy Charlemagne's ass?
Anonymous 2021-09-18 (Sat) 11:26:14 No. 19686
I think the pacing is too fast, but it is good.
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 02:14:58 No. 19697
Who the fuck cares if the author was a conservative or not. Tolkien was a conservative however his work never gets put under so much scrutiny even though its dogwhistles are much more on the nose than in Dune. Jacobin goes full clown show here:
<It’s a guilty pleasure for the more radical left, and there’s no shame in that. Nobody longs for a return to a hackneyed, bland socialist realism.
I'm glad Jacobin allows me to consume "problematic" fantasy and sci-fi, thanks Jacobin. And then out of nowhere making the jump to fucking socialist realism, are they fucking serious?
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 02:28:21 No. 19698
Each fall into darkness.
Anonymous 2021-09-20 (Mon) 14:12:16 No. 19703
Just saw it. It was alright. As another anon said, it has problems with pacing, at times it seems very rushed and like the director just wants us to get to a certain point. As if someone is giving you a quick rundown on context before they tell you a story. That is its biggest flaw.
Some complaints and nitpicks: >everyone wears black, both Atreides and Harkonnen. Harkonnens should be red, and the Baron should be wearing red, not black >I don't like how agency is taken away from Paul. I can remember three instances of it. 1) in the pain test, it is Lady Jessica who recites the litany of fear, not Paul. 2) when Stilgar spits in front of the Duke (at the wrong point in the discussion, I might add), it is Duncan, not Paul who recognises the gesture and says thank you. They all spat, which was pretty stupid I thought. 3) when flying through the storm, Paul hears The Reverend Mother's voice tell him to "let go", after which he lets go of the controls, turns off the engine and goes to sleep. In the book, they go through it, thanks to his skills, plus effects of spice on his already sensitive mind. >should have spent more time on exposition of Arrakis, and show how wasteful the Palace and outsiders are, not just reduce it to a "they oppress us monologue" at the beginning of the movie. >not enough exposition of Paul's struggle within him. >Kynes (casting choice was fine) gets killed by three Sardaukar, instead of being left in the desert. That monologue he has in his thoughts before he dies should have been included. >when Sardaukar attacked the palace on Arrakis, they weren't wearing Harkonnen uniform, but Sardaukar uniform >Princess Irulan subplot is completely left out, unless they're gonna do flashbacks in the 2nd movie >Paul doesn't have an arc, really, neither do we feel "the fall" of Atreides because we don't really know how big they were. There's a throwaway line by Leto where he says "other houses look up to us", but we don't really see them settle in and rule Arrakis, it just seems that as soon as they get there, they're betrayed and attacked overall 7/10
Anonymous 2021-09-21 (Tue) 23:16:27 No. 19726
>>19696 >Jacobin <another shit article complaining about "muh conservatives"
They've completely dropped the mask and are full retard radlibs tody.
Anonymous 2021-09-25 (Sat) 07:43:18 No. 19838
I agree. It should have been 3 hours.
And another thing. Jessica is fucking crying almost all the duration of the movie. I don't remember Jessica from the book like that but maybe I am wrong.
Anonymous 2021-09-25 (Sat) 22:20:05 No. 19868
Sounds like it should have been a miniseries.
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 02:47:37 No. 19875
how would Dune be different if a communist wrote it I wonder
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 04:50:28 No. 19876
RadLibs unironically believe that race-swapping Marvel protagonists is subversion or deconstructs white savior tropes and not what Dune is doing.
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 06:09:44 No. 19879
progress is when you signal that black people and women can only play roles if a white man does it first
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 10:30:42 No. 19892
Saw it yesterday. I liked it, surprisingly.
No naked Timothee, unfortunately.
Aesthetics on point. I saw the lynch movie and miniseries before this (many years ago), haven't read the book, but I generally agree with anon's points here
Some things it could have improved, other things it got right. The movie ends half way through the story compared to the miniseries.
Anonymous 2021-09-26 (Sun) 11:06:56 No. 19893
Say what you want about the aesthetics but the ornitopters were fucking amazing.
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 16:28:52 No. 20353
So it's been a while since I've seen it and now that the dust has settled I have to say I really really liked the movie. Has the potential to become an absolute classic.
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 16:37:08 No. 20354
Are you aware of Hamilton by Lin Manuel Miranda or some shit.
It recuperates WHITE MALE american history and makes it woke. The founding fathers are reimagined as slave-owning PoC.
Anonymous 2021-10-11 (Mon) 16:51:44 No. 20355 >>19892 >No naked Timothee, unfortunately.
We'll just have to wait for
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 02:58:24 No. 20384
The fremen do not look down on the women of their tribe what are you talking about? Gender bending the imperial planetologist turned fremen leader doesn’t change anything of the character in any way. Liet Kynes character essential nature wasn’t his manhood but his scientific dedication to the fremen and the planet Arrakis.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 03:02:10 No. 20385
It’s essentially a cautious tale on political/religious/philosophical leaders. That’s the true essence of the Dune sage from Dune to Heretics of Dune. The main character isn’t even supposed to be a “good guy”. He’s a subject who’s been thrust into something he didn’t want to be a part of and by the end became a vengeful, hateful, blood thirty leader who wanted nothing but violence done against his enemies. The personal journey of Paul is a good kid who becomes a cold hearted and brutal religious leader.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 03:05:01 No. 20386
I wouldn’t say Herbert was particularly an economic libertarian but he definitely had a massive distrust of governments. He was very much an environmentalist and a humanist I’m willing to bet; he would’ve made a good communist, maybe not of any Stalinist or statist kind.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 03:41:19 No. 20389
He suffered from cold-war brain unfortunately
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 04:33:28 No. 20391
There’s no proof of this? I mean he has an interview where he calls Nixon his favorite president for revealing to the American public the corruption of the nation that was already there. It’s kind of like someone who would say today that they like trump because trump just openly shows how big of a shit America is to Americans.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 05:48:38 No. 20392
I mean, he named the villian Vladimir Harkonnen because be thought it sounded Soviet.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 06:11:05 No. 20393
Source? Also he was writing to an American audience in the 60s.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 09:33:52 No. 20394
BBC misses the mark
>here is a scale to Denis Villeneuve's Dune that borders on the biblical. Monolithic spaceships hang like moons in the heavens. Worms the size of skyscrapers swim like sharks through the desert. Extreme wide shots frame the barren planet of Arrakis as a vast unknowable ocean of sand, its dunes fluttering in the wind like waves. And yet it is not only size that makes Dune one of the most striking science-fiction films of recent years. It is how it marries that grandeur with slow, atmospheric and considered filmmaking – where shots live long, and scenes breathe freely. https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20211011-denis-villeneuve-the-sci-fi-director-of-the-21st-century
I think the writer just wanted to write that kind of article. I was myself ready to have that opinion because I liked Arrival. But Dune just fell flat.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 20:16:58 No. 20408
IIRC the Harkonnens are of German descent.
Anonymous 2021-10-13 (Wed) 20:20:44 No. 20409
I liked Dune better than Arrival because of the idealist kumbaya ending of Arrival. What a liberal movie.
Herbert thought that the name "sounded Soviet" at first but then in the official canon they go back to a Finnish noble family.
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 04:16:21 No. 20423
Sorry, I didn't mean to imply that he was a total boomer-brained war hawk. He opposed the Vietnam War and McCarthyism after all. I just meant to say that he wasn't a socialist because he was a product of his time which was the Cold War.
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 04:22:18 No. 20424
I liked the movie, I liked the aesthetic. My favorite scene is the sand crawler one but there is something about it that is lacking, I can't really put it into words, maybe it's because I read the book and have been 'spoiled' but there is a certain lack of tension, a true build up to the story arc. The audience doesn't learn the actual intentions of many characters or only as retroactive justification. It's really difficult to express. Still above average but there is something missing for it to be a masterpiece or something.
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 05:06:58 No. 20426
One of the largest issues with trying to translate book to film. The thrones series could do the perspective thing because the series translated well the character chapters of the books. But as regards Dune, this is a book where the internal dialogue is extremely essential in understanding characters and character motivation.
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 05:55:28 No. 20430
I know, like the betrayal just happens like most things in the movie. There are no hints, build up or tension arc. It's not clear what the Bene Gesserit are about, they are just some kind of prop. Like many things just felt like props and background aesthetic without explaining their importance to the overall story. You don't have to go into detail about every personality but when it pertained to the factions I found it lacking.
Anonymous 2021-10-14 (Thu) 17:19:12 No. 20436
>>20409 >the idealist kumbaya ending of Arrival. What a liberal movie.
First off, the movie was refreshing because for once Chinese people weren't the "bad guys", but in fact come out looking positive because they offer to exchange knowledge first. The "bad guys" were the white, Conservative Americans radicalised by TV personalities. I don't know what's liberal about it, because the only politics that are in the movie are internationalism and rejection of the capitalist "military mindset". After all, it is a sci-fi movie whose message is that worldwide cooperation to achieve a goal that is beyond our current understanding is a noble goal. This is antithetical to capitalism because there is no profit or benefit to helping an alien race 3000 years into the future.
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 01:05:38 No. 20445
How are you watching it? Only the cam version is available.
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 02:18:11 No. 20446
It came out in Europe Ike a month ago, dud
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 14:41:42 No. 20447
kinogo.la has most movies the moment they come out (or even earlier sometimes) in HD
Anonymous 2021-10-15 (Fri) 23:30:57 No. 20458
Everywhere it’s cam
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 12:43:51 No. 20566 >>10389 >this is dumb naming
Strange way of spelling "good branding". :-/
>>10400 >>10404 >>10414 >space marines
Is not a question about IF but WHEN we'll see them. What I really liked about the Sardaukar was the scene where they silently inserts using anti-grav. Not the same thing as in the Dune-games where they are basically walking tanks.
I really like the E S T H E T I C S, and the wire from the rocket launcer to the breastplate is cute. Cute but probably useless.
But unless you really get the drop of someone and manages to hit ALL your targets AT ONCE, you're pretty much a walking target for a marksman with a 50-cal.
Also, does anyone please have a link to the sacrifical scene in DUNC?
You could substitute it with "Culture is for a man what maternity is for a woman." When a woman becomes a mother, her place in society is pretty much set. Men have no equivalent to maternity, so therefore they must constantly strive for something.
Anonymous 2021-10-21 (Thu) 12:47:07 No. 20567
>>18638 >agree about paul >the fremen is a little harder to pull off, and unlike the harkonnens they are supposed to be approachable to the movie audience so you can't make them too weird
I lost it when they looked like some kind of corpo instant diversity starting pack. Yeah, those in the cities and the fremens in the desert could very well look different. But then it would be two discrete groups with a relative homogenization. What we saw here was something like "all people that have darker skin than a brown paper bag are all the same".
Anonymous 2021-10-22 (Fri) 05:58:01 No. 20570
just saw it in burger theaters, my thoughts
>david lynch btfoed >i love the quebecfag >sound design was amazing >the movie looked incredible >I want to have sex with zendaya >a lot of stuff was cut from the book, but nothing that was cut was vital >scenes and moments that were added all fit in very seamlessly, especially with the art direction >kynes gender swap wasn't important because the character was cut back so much anyway >mamoa death scene was cool >orinthropters were great I will be majorly ass blasted if there is no part 2
Anonymous 2021-10-22 (Fri) 10:21:04 No. 20571
What happened with the music? Everything else in the movie looked great and all the sound design was fantastic. For some reason the music was really generic and forgettable.
Anonymous 2021-10-22 (Fri) 11:36:03 No. 20572
I wanna fuck zendaya so bad
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