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>>40971
yes, if you took some spice you wouldn't need to ask the question

This guy thinks, Harkonens are marxists. is he correct?

>>41275
XD

>>41275
As a Muslim I recognize dune is art to express the artists criticism of Islam or religion in general and all of it whether fiction or debate and apologetics helps to push the conversation forward.

>>41277
I mean the movie does hit different with the IsrPal conflict going on, all them terror attack on the harkonnen machinery really reminded me of some of these recent Resistance clips of destroying IDF tanks

>>41275
so, Paul's jihad was basically Islamo-fascism, and the Harkonnens are actually the Soviets? Considering the Afghan war and how pivotal it was to islamofascism, it kind of makes sense… though really I fail to see how The Harkonnens are in any way communist.

>>41279
>The Harkonnens are in any way communist.
nh is unironically a french cunt libby

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>>41291
Why does "cultural criticism" attract so many pseuds?

>>41292
ego and cope im guessing? your guess anon?

>>41293
Easily accessible and lets people feel smart for doing basic readings of pop culture with Wikipedia-tier understanding of ideology.

>>41291
Damn he got the exact same book that I've got, except mine looks kinda fatter for some reason.

guilds are capitalist

>>41295
>Wikipedia
infogalactic needs to get their shit together

not too bad, guy is still a retard though

>>40834
>What it implies is that they weren't willing to believe any new thing they were being demanded to believe by an authority.
Except the pagans were generally very willing to accept Jesus and the Christian God. What was difficult was getting them to drop the belief in their old gods and especially to get them to drop their old religious practices and festivals (which is partially why you see many Christian holidays which are essentially Christianized mock ups of pagan festivals).

The pagans weren't skeptics. It was quite the opposite. They were reluctant to give up their old beliefs, but were quite happy to accept new ones.

>>41297
>guilds are capitalist
<the early basis for the formation of capitalism is capitalist
No, really!?

>>41275
Now that I think about it, Dune's initial story sort of resembles Cameron's Avatar, doesn't it? The whole traitor to his civilization joining the Noble Savages in defense of a a primitive, spiritualist society. >>31830

>>41306
I mean that's not exactly an original idea, I'm sure there are stories from as far back as like the victorian era with that plot.

>>41313
>13 13
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> that's not exactly an original idea, I'm sure there are stories from as far back as like the victorian era with that plot
Probably earlier, I think there's at least a few Greek, Scandinavian and Chinese myths that have a similar idea. My point was more relative to modern media and just that it's resemblant.

>>41313
It was a real thing that happened to many people, basically everywhere you had colonialism.

>>41306
no avatar sucks, dune is a masterpiece

>>41341
By the standards of the other people in the story they are savages, the same way even the most advanced human civilizations today would be seen as savages by Aliens visiting our planet.

>>41340
I'm ambivalent to both. I liked the old Dune film better and Avatar was never a favorite of mine, though I liked it more than the sequel.

the fremen are hamas
the emperor is biden
baron harkonnen is netanyahu

>>41346
>savage is a false term to castigate indigenous peoples invented by imperialist
<those that use it need to have their throats cut along with their wives and children and dogs
<"We're not savages, we're not savages!" He says while proposing to engage in savage behavior the Nazis did.
Liberal nonsense. They were called savages because the term existed to describe something wild and uncivilized, long before the New World was discovered, retard. It isn't a false-term because it was applied to people's that appeared savage to more developed societies. More importantly I'm speaking of savages relative to the Noble Savage trope, a trope in which your post is quite literally engaging in.

>>41275
Frank Herbert Interview on Dune shortly after David Lynch's Dune came out in 1984. He passed away in 1986 which makes this one of his last filmed interviews. He discusses messiahs, cults, Leaders, technology, genes & religious commentary. From Great Ktca Read-A-Thon that aired 09/28/87. Filmed circa 1984, shortly before Herbert's death in 1986. Aired on PBS in 1987. Herbert opens by saying: "Well, my Arab friends wonder why it's called science fiction. DUNE, they say, is religious commentary… My own view of it is, 'Okay, we call it science fiction.'… I don't care what they call it."

For more context on what Herbert may have meant by this, see: Haris A. Durrani, TOR, "The Muslimness of Dune: A Close Reading of 'Appendix II: The Religion of Dune'"
https://reactormag.com/the-muslimness-of-dune-a-close-reading-of-appendix-ii-the-religion-of-dune/

Herbert does not appear to have made this statement as a way to simply say, "I have Arab friends" (as an apologetic or a claim to authority by proximity). It's a substantive comment, made in a somewhat amused offhand remark, about the core themes of the novels. Professor of Islamic history Ali Karjoo-Ravary, upon examining archives of Herbert's personal papers, told CBC the following:

>Q: These books were written in 1965. Frank Herbert's a pretty white American. Do we have a sense of why he chose to include these specific references in his books?
Karjoo-Ravary: One of the things that I realized in my research was that, even in the 1960s, English had been so intertwined with the Muslim world because of British colonialism, because the world was already pretty globalized. Herbert constantly said that he had Arab friends. He said he had Semitic friends, which I'm not sure what he meant by that, who helped him. Part of it was also me thinking, why are we so surprised? The world was actually already pretty globalized and pretty interconnected. So him just knowing English and French and having these friends was able to really dove deeply into the history of Islam and the Islamic world.

>Q: You mentioned that it sort of slips by some readers, but his editors certainly picked up on it. I'm assuming they weren't exactly keen on it.
Karjoo-Ravary: They weren't. One of them said, "You need to give us an explanation as to why there's so much Muslim flavour," in the editor's words. I think another editor also said, "What's up with all the Islam?" But also … his book, at first, it didn't do that well. And part of it was this insistence on the use of language, of using a lot of foreign words, not just Arabic. He's taking from a lot of different languages … and he was very adamant on using language to signify that you're not [in the present]. And he also really believed in slow build up and experimenting with different types of narrative and different types of sentence structure to give a slower pace than was usual in science fiction at that time.

https://www.cbc.ca/radio/day6/introducing-the-metaverse-crisis-in-afghanistan-stuff-the-british-stole-islamic-influence-in-dune-and-more-1.6220405/frank-herbert-s-dune-novels-were-heavily-influenced-by-middle-eastern-islamic-cultures-says-scholar-1.6221670

>>9852
I was a bit disappointed by Dune : Part Two. I find it very slow-paced except the final which is just 30 minutes out of 165 minutes. The whole movie seemed like a big build-up for Dune Messiah.

really curious how they're gonna adapt Messiah. Shapeshifters and clones feel sort of out of place in Villenueve's Dune.

PAUL ATREIDES flew his diesel ornithopter up to Sietch Tabr. “Damn I love being the Lisan al Gaib” he said, punching an imperial sardukar as he climbed out. “I think we should return Dune to the Harkonnens” said Chani. “Shut up libtard” came the reply from behind a cloud of spice melange. “Oh please Paul!” Said the shrewish atheist, “Northern Arrakis is the ancestral land of the Fremen people, where they have lived in an entirely irreligious utopia for thousands of years. They don’t even know what holy war is.”

“Sounds like WOKE NONSENSE to me!” guffawed Paul, his very presence introducing precious water into the ecosystem as he cracked a Miller High Life. “This is MAGA (Make Arrakis Green Again) country now bitch” he proclaimed before shooting interred Harkonnen prisoners with an unregistered lasgun. The other camp inmates scattered in terror, sheltering their non-binary bald pleasure slaves from the beams and slurs that now ripped through the sand dunes. “Kek” said Paul, stuffing a family atomic into the bomb bay of the ornithopter. “This is based. Just wait until 4chan hears about this”

>>41543
I thought pt 1 was dumb and didn't make for a full narrative.

>>41306

>Now that I think about it, Dune's initial story sort of resembles Cameron's Avatar, doesn't it?

'Resembling' is a funny word for something that is literally the critique of the other.

>>41543
There literally is action scene every ten minutes.


>>41588
It's almost like it's the first half of one book.

>>41543
thats how movie 2 of a trilogy usually goes. it was worth the ticket price I'd imo, as opposed to say the matrix 2

>>41607
>the matrix 2
That's the problem, Dune is not supposed to be the fucking Matrix trilogy. Dune is the pillar of modern SF and the new movies adaptations are supposed to be the new cultural cinematic phenomenon of the 2020's much like the Lord of the Ring movie trilogy in the 2000's. So we should compraed Dune : Part Two to The Two Towers instead.

>>41605
Almost like trying to make a single story into multiple movies is a cheap cash grab.

Looking at you hobbit, deathly hollows, and dune.

>>41625
to be fair Dune is a long ass book, it's almost three times as long as The Hobbit

>>41626
The issue is it wasn't really built to be two seperate stories. Like lotr is basically one story, but Tolkien structured it to work as three. Fellowship's ending was kind of weak too tbf. Twin towers is a better example of how you can make a complete narrative out of a part of a larger one.

I think they should've made it a Dune HBO show or something instead. They did such a piss poor job explaining the lore in the dune movie.

>>41627
Oh yeah and they fucked up not putting all the stuff that happens before the time skip in movie one. If they wanted to make it two movies they should've broken the story at the time skip instead of just before it.

>>41627
They are gonna do a Bene Gesserit HBO show lmao.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt10466872/

>>41627
LotR was actually structured to be six books.

>>41587
pavl atreideez nuts

Muad'Dib did nothing wrong

>>41625
they should've crammed it all into one 2.5 hour movie, it worked great for Lynch!

>>41629
this is supposed to be based on one of the Brian Herbert books too so it'll probably be ass

>>41639
I said a miniseries would be the best bet. A proper adaptation to fit a normal runtime would be the next best bet.

But ate we teally pretending chalamet isn't insufferable. 0 chemistry. I felt everyone was miscast. Paul, the duke, all his top men, his mom. Dunno if it is just because I read the book first but still.

>chalamet
Just sucks ass
>duke leto
Manlet didn't seem regal or cold or distant enough. Seens like a happy go lucky soft boy. He should be like bambi's father.
>lady jessica
Doesn't work as a femme fatale for me. Looks like a fucking nun instead. Too emotional.

So bad. Felt like a regional theatre play or something

>holywoodslop
Never watched it. Never will.
As an "oriental" from the "orient" I think you should kill yourselves

>>41641 (You)
Ok recasting.
>paul
Dunno there are few to none known young actors. Probably would end up with an unknown
>leto
Maybe even Brolin as Leto instead. He is kinda short too actually. Someone who can play an alpha hardass properly. Maybe Jon Hamm. Probably anyone but Oscar Isaac. The kind of silent hero of days of old like wayne or how bout not brolin but bronson(even if he is a manlet?) Or how bout liam niesen?
>lady jessica
A woman who has ever played a sexy role in their career. Maybe jolie or theron. I dunno. Someone that looks like a fucking succubus.

>>41644
I don't really remember the Duke as a complete alpha hardass. He literally wheeped over muh hierachies and inegality in one scene.

>>41654
He should feel inscrutable to Paul IMO. Well that is literally the story, to Jessica too. I don't mean he should be an asshole, talking about the outward face he brimgs to his role as duke. He should feel like a Ned Stark kimda IMO.

>>41655
Like Paul in the book is clossr to his surrogate daddies than "the duke." His relationship to his father is more formal than personal. His father serves as a role model for the sacrifice he must make of putting his duty before his feelingss and familyl