/labor/ - Labor

Yes they are. They are also forms of indoctrination like all schooling generally is but at least universities had a veneer of independence and being critical of the status quo which is not as evident anymore. Now they seem to be largely scams and the indoctrination is much more evident. The universities are helping in deskilling and indebting the population so they no little choice but to sell their labor to the market and accept the powers that be

Leftists are blindly loyal to university systems because they think higher education means potentially cushier quality of life

>>395
Not everyone wants a broken back by the age of 50, if that makes them bad people, so be it

its where the aspiring middle class of the future goes, theres a reason marx thought it was a waste of time to go to university campuses to try to appeal to students lol

>>400
>Members of the Situationist International and Students of Strasbourg University
of course a bunch of philosophers and students would be on theanarchistlibrary and try to present themselves as "revolutionary" and not the politically inert mass they've always been

>and try to present themselves as "revolutionary"
So who is revolutionary then?

>>400
based situationists

>>402
me

Chinese Uni still hasn't responded to my student exchange application.

>>384
You'd have to be hella naive to go to university to learn something other than jumping through some hoops

>>399
Because many of them have false consciousness "if I study hard I'll be a CEO" or "people are poor because they're dumb or didn't try hard at school" etc.

>>399
Do you thing there might have been some change in class profile of university students, or people with higher education in general, since 19th century?

Universities hate organizing, my own uni put up anti union propaganda for a day before someone ripped it all down, and I thought it was the most egregious shit ever.
However I wouldn't call them labor camps, they have the same problem as American schools, empty work for empty works sake, the psych and theory classes I took there were for almost nothing, it's just to a less annoying extent.
At least in a labor camp you do one thing, you do it, you get good at it, and you contribute to it and learn directly. It isn't as wasteful as a university is.

>>396
Yet most people who attend university end up having to do back breaking work to pay off student loans.

>>399
Yet Marx was born into college educated society. He spent most of his adult life dabbling with academic bullshit.

>>532
This. It's unfortunate that modern society thinks blue collar work is a blasphemy to human experience.
People think college/university is the only rite of passage for young people

>>383
>Are universities just glorified capitalist labor camps?
At worst they would be preparatory labor camps for the much greater labor camp of life, no?
Fortunately this isn't really the case.
There is some cleft in their operation between the preparatory component and the labor camp component which allows part of the former to be separated from the latter.

>They merely serve as supplies of labor reserve armies and even stemlords cant get jobs easy now.
Unemployment is still low, so wouldn't say this.

>>536
>People think college/university is the only rite of passage for young people
This pretty much.
I (being dumb) only went to university to get the puzzy. Sadly I quickly realised I was infact suboptimal as a human and spent the next five years stressed, broke, and dry.

>>542
>This pretty much. I (being dumb) only went to university to get the puzzy. Sadly I quickly realised I was infact suboptimal as a human and spent the next five years stressed, broke, and dry.

This is EXACTLY the main selling point of higher education.
I fact, modern education in general is centered too much around "SOCIALISATION".

The only thing people think of when asked about school is "making happy memories". Especially the way adults harass kids to join after school clubs or scare them with the outcome of being an outcast if they choose to drop out due to bullying.

College is especially oversold to young people to appeal to their suppressed drives.

One thing people forget is that contrary to popular belief, it's not easy to make friends in school.
Social circles are rigid or shallow in childhood due to kids having no autonomy.
If you're an awkward ugly kid at age eleven, you will still be that same way at age fifteen and age nineteen

>>539

>At worst they would be preparatory labor camps for the much greater labor camp of life, no?
Fortunately this isn't really the case.

Maybe that's exactly what's wrong with university as a general life path. It's allergic to industrial experience.
Alot of university students have to get crash courses into working class affairs and have to be humiliated and wrongfully labeled as out of touch due to the anti-industrial sentiment that higher education is notorious for emitting.

>>554
>Fortunately this isn't really the case, but if it is it's exactly the problem.
It's to the extent to which they're non-industrial that they're able to create beyond the myopic views of industry.
If it did serve industry, industry would need to reinvent it as something separate from it.

On the individual level it's this non-industrial attitude gives freedom, and with it meaning to the enterprise.
What meaning can there be in a world in which decisions are made by an impersonal dictatorial force.
When will we escape the totalitarian logic of rationality, of economics, and be free.

"They give more agency to the markets than they do to themselves"

>>564
This anti-industrial attitude is exactly what university promotes and they create excess laws to bar youth from industrial affairs
That's what creates the short sighted view of how the world works

This whole "industriality is the opposite of the arts" is a common marketing tactic

>>529
That's actually working class adults who think that

>>383
I will never get tired of posting this Engels letter. The whole thing is revealing but this sentences is my favorite:
>> The biggest obstacles are the small peasants and the importunate super-clever intellectuals who always think they know everything so much the better, the less they understand it.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htm

>>539
>Unemployment is still low
Official stats are fake, real unemployment is very high.