/labor/ - Labor

>3am ice baths, pushups and spend all day getting ready
Idiot how is this supposed to get you a job?

>>585
How do you expect to miss your interview if u arent spending all day getting ready to prepare for it?

NEETs are a combo of bad job market, disabilities (and lack of services to help) and general social alienation. The idea that you are going to fix the NEET situation with self-help bullshit is dumb and self-help is generally reactionary.

>>589
This. What they need is mandatory blue collar training.
That's the thing most self help media leave out
They only focus on big money schemes like real estate flipping.

>>589
Don't really know what it's called (probably anhedonia which is caused by many illnesses etc.) but the impression one gets is that its "something one doesn't really want to do" (work) being justified or motivated by "something one doesn't really want to do." (live, consume, etc.)

>>598
>"something one doesn't really want to do." (live, consume, etc.)
e.g. they're fine with NEETbucks, instant noodles, and stolen anime, they don't need or really want anything more.

>>599
Irony is, NEETs may be the only true contents in this current reality.

>>640
>Irony is, NEETs may be the only true contents in this current reality.
Thought this might be BS, but reading some interviews: https://www.vice.com/en/article/neets-what-do-they-do/ Sounds like the ones not starving, are doing okay other than the reputation aspect.
Vice documented common stories of people not being respected enough, treated as human (including bullying), or having tasks that suits their talents, in school or the workforce. Not too far off from >>598 actually. Also worth noting that most of them seem to see it as temporary.

>>644
Of course it's temporary. Life is temporary. Also most neets have either gone to college or worked at some point so they expect to eventually do those things again at some point. I remember neeting feeling pretty good when I did it but I was often on edge from not having a job mainly because i didn't want anyone to lecture me about it but also about being asked what I do and sometimes from boredom. Now that I work I pretty much just work and go home but I don't particularly want to do anything since I don't really like going out. I think I did slightly more things out of the house when I was a neet but I think the reason for that is that Covid really killed my desire to go out which was already minimal to begin with.

>>645
>lecture me about it but also about being asked what I do and sometimes from boredom.
>I did slightly more things out of the house when I was a NEET
Bummer. Was thinking personally that moving to an urban environment might help me do more out of the house. Already don't do very much at all and don't think this is uncommon for NEETs.

>COVID really killed my desire to go out
A disruption to social habits really can be, well, disruptive.

>>645
>>649
Wanted to add that when I neeted I saw it as some kind of reward from work. I would work about 6 months at a low paying seasonal job then go on unemployment and wait for the season to start again before that I went to college and completed a degree but had no real desire to work but also had no work experience. Luckily I paid nothing for college since I went to a community college first and I just continued living at home which I do to this day. So I was quite privileged but it eventually ended and I never really had much money during my college days. Looking back I should have gotten into the work I do now back when I was in my early 20s as it might have helped me integrate better into society

>>589
Basic grooming is necessary if you're touching grass amongst other people

>>652
There are a lot of things that could prevent one from going out, but ultimately it comes down to your individual perceptions (including perceptions of contentment or anhedonia). Hygiene is probably only a problem in this way if one has a view of oneself that is so negative it prevents one from going out. Then again perhaps many people do.

>>657
Achieving cleanliness goals can also give one a since of accomplishment when you're really at the end of your rope, etc. It's certainly not a bad thing to work on if you need to. Hate that might have been discouraging.

>>582
>mfw actually wakes up at 3AM takes a hot shower, and starts a body-weight routine.
Feel clean and refreshed. Also did some school work yesterday, and some gardening. It's not quite leaving the house regularly, but it's progress.

RISE AND GRIND FUCKBOYS WE GOT MONEY TO MAKE

How do you convince yourself that the epidemic of NEETDOM is not inherent to the system itself? We ostracize youth from society by putting them in dormitory communities where they will be raised by small and often fragile communities away from any space where they can socialize properly, constantly have to see children moved around from place to place throughout their education killing off any bonds they form with their community around them, and then suddenly bombard them with an endless chore list (sometimes literal) of responsibilities they have to fill out ALONE until they die just to be considered a functioning adult, and then bombard them with even more demands for work that ask of them to take care of their employers despite having zero experience and sometimes even training about whatever career they were likely forced to pursue over their own interests?

There is never a clear point where anybody is meaningfully supported to grow into a mature adult in our society that demands more of them. People like Cyraxx and asmongold don’t exist in a vacuum. They’re created and left to grow in numbers. Barely any parenting, barely any government support, barely any reaffirmation from peers, constant competition, and an endless sludge fest of consumer garbage to infantilize people in mass and were wondering why there are so many man children these days.

>>710
>Fragile communities away from any space where they can socialize properly.
Hadn't heard such a position before.
Guess it's basically restricted to lunch, halls, and "extracurriculars".
And they obviously fade away, because they're assembled on a purely temporal basis.

>Bombard them with an endless chore list to be considered an adult.
Not sure this is really so much of an issue.
There simply are many things one needs to do.

>Zero experience and sometimes even training about whatever career […] over their own interests.
This seems to me to be the crux of the matter.
If there was something one enjoyed doing which happened to make money there wouldn't be a problem at all.
There's clearly a problem in presenting and developing these opportunities.

>>716
We don't raise kids into adults.
We just force them to do idle busywork with no worldly training.
There's no classes for financial education, home cooking, basic home repair, etc.

Society think academic skills are the ultimate replacement for common sense, social skills, and blue collar skills.