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 No.1532795[Last 50 Posts]

Previous thread: >>1263434

Talk about job/career advice and other related stuff from a leftist perspective. EX: How to get a job, promotion, skill, switch companies, resume, life hacks, etc.

 No.1532803

why the fuck do so many companies try to shill their L3 support analyst positions as "software engineering"? Nearly half the job postings on linkedin/indeed hiring "software engineers" are either systems engineers, devops, or support analyst positions, but when you read the job description it ends up being "monitor and troubleshoot and then report to the developers". This posting in picrel isn't an anomaly. They usually try and do a bait and switch job offer too where they want to hire someone that has dev(or sometimes devops) experience into support by tricking them.

 No.1532828

Fuck prosecutors.
Fuck prosecutors.
Fuck prosecutors.
They don't have spines.
They don't know how to do anything but eat hot chip and lie.
They throw people in prison without blinking.
Their entire job is disassociation from the human condition.
You can see in the felony prosecutor's eyes they are dead inside.
I have to teach the new prosecutors how to do their job because the turnover rate is so high.
None of them read theory or can maintain a conversation beyond "crime bad."
Half the judges are third chair prosecutors that came from careers as prosecutors of some kind.
They don't give a shit how bad things are for everyone else in the system.
They are paper tigers.
They bend over backwards for the county commissioners court that refuses to fund anything other than law & order.
They do not respect the defense bar.
They do not respect the PD's office.
They do not respect appointed attorneys.
They are cowards.

 No.1533266

>>1532803
because there's only so many dev jobs to go around and there's a surplus of people educated to be devs because they jumped on the goldrush bandwagon of "learn to code bro" over the last 10 years. So some of those people are just gonna have to get sacrificed to mammon. liberal aspirationalism tells you that if you just check all the right boxes and do the right things and act as a civil, chivalrous, polite little court jester for the ruling class, you're gonna make it. But the truth is there's only so many of that kind of person needed. Unless you win a contest of asskissing in a sea of asskissers, you get kicked back out onto the "job market" for having the bad luck of following the market trends 0.1 seconds too late.

 No.1536109

>>1533266
ok but why LIE. why not just correctly ID their job positions as IT operations not dev, its the lying part thats weird

 No.1536110

>>1532803
As someone jobless with a CS degree how do I make myself qualified for these sort of jobs? At this point I'll take anything that'll help me advance.

 No.1536124

>>1536110
Maybe build a portfolio?

 No.1537465

>>1532803
Don't Apply

If the employer can't be bothered to be honest about the work they're providing that already is gonna say a lot about the company and what you can expect working there

 No.1537469

Holy fuck this is stupid, I'm applying to fucking retail and resturants randomly at this threshold and still cannot find employment after several weeks while the amount of applications I've sent out keeps increasing. in person, online, it doesn't matter, it wouldn't even be so bad if the people posting those ads could be bothered to actually respond to applications.

 No.1537496

How do I find reliable employees as a small business owner? I interviewed a single mom today and she seemed like a great fit, but she needs childcare to come to work so I didn't hire her.

 No.1537625

>>1536110
You can sign up for a low paid consulting gig with companies like FDM group who will pay you 45k/yr after training you in web dev but if you quit before 2 years you have to pay a huge ass fine like 50k and also you have no choice of what company and/or city in the us they send you to. Just pray it’s not a HCOL area like NYC. But if you’re that desperate it’s an option. There are other similar companies

 No.1538912

>>1537625
I hear that companies like that aren't even hiring these days because of all the layoffs.

 No.1538952

>>1538912
naw. they're still hiring.
https://careers.fdmgroup.com/registration.aspx
you'll be a technoslave for 1-2.5 yearsbut you'll be employed.

don't say i didn't warn you

 No.1539016

>>1537496
Ask your local chamber of commerce or small business association for advice.

 No.1539039

>>1536110
>As someone jobless with a CS degree how do I make myself qualified for these sort of jobs?
Work on little programming projects that interest you (doesn't have to be fancy) and use them to pad your resume/portfolio.

 No.1540480

What if im losing all motivation to code, how many projects do i have to make a portfolio of and how may leetcodes do i have to solve to start applying to jobs?

 No.1540487

>>1540480
My guess would be that one good project would be enough, but more probably wouldn't hurt

Is there anything you want to make? A game maybe? >>1539039

 No.1548890

>About to finish my engineering degree
>All the MIC corps clutter the hiring websites

welp

 No.1548905

>>1548890
what about mainstream job sites i.e. linkedin/indeed/monster/etc.

 No.1548980

>>1548905
Yes yes slave, send several dozen minutes to hours writing out a several page document listing all your personal information(including stuff not even related to the job oh yes spend hours on that), so you can send it to a -firewall- ATS where all your information will be used for making companies that don’t wanna hire anybody that isn’t a penniless migrant look like they have a lot of applications coming in. Oh and the employer carry’s no responsibility if your data gets hacked and sold, if you get rejected based on your identity over your credentials, if you fulfill requirements but get blocked by the employers shitty ATS system, if you get rejected over -nepotism- internal hires being favoured and many more

 No.1549045

>>1548980
thats literally the only choice if you wanna get a job, anon unless youre becoming a petit porky

 No.1549057

>>1549045
You could also(assuming you can) just walk or drive to the places you want a work at and apply there. That’s actually the first choice I made when trying to find work thanks to the transparency it offers meaning it’s easier to tell when an employer actually wants to hire vs cases where law or corporate shenanigans requires they waste the time of job seekers by posting false ads for data mining.

 No.1549061

>>1549057
>>1549045
>>1548905
I was more intending to make the
point that arms companies in virtually every area are in hiring frenzy and even if you try to avoid them outright might still end up at a de facto supplier.

 No.1549461

Anons don't let you car die on you once it does your facked, just a little public service announcement.

 No.1559917

career-anon here still stuck in my support analyst job. Im titled as a devops engineer but all i do is application support. Im thinking of getting some certs and trying to get a real SRE position, any suggestions?

AWS Solutions Architect or other AWS certs?
RHCSA/RCHE
Terraform cert
Docker cert
Kubernetes certs
some sort of networking? cert?
Java or other language cert?

 No.1560028

Passed the 10k word mark on my first novel. Reminding myself that the first draft is always dogshit and that's okay. Anyone else getting a job in a creative field?

 No.1560037

>>1532828
THESE FUCKING BABY PROSECUTORS DONT KNOW SHIT. THEY CANT EVEN DO THEIR FUCKING JOB AND ITS KEEPING MY CLIENTS FROM LIVING THEIR FUCKING LIVESSSSSSS AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

 No.1560086

>>1560028
are you a professional writer? Or are you doing another job while trying to write your novel?

 No.1560097

>>1560086
I’m a grocery worker. Been doing it for almost a decade now. However back in May or so I snapped at some rude bitch in my line. Spent some time reflecting on it and accepted that I was burned out, and if I don’t find a way out, I’ll be stuck in retail hell like my parents.

I’ve got a small talent for writing. I was a pretty voracious reader as a kid and spent the years since doing short stories and running tabletop RPGs. I’ve gotten some really positive feedback on my writing over the years and so I figured I’d try to break into the fiction scene.

Probably won’t make me fabulously wealthy, but if it lets me work retail less I’ll take it.

 No.1560103

>>1560097
you can try starting with short stories and flash fiction to practice. Traditionally writers started with short stories and moved to novels. Maybe set them in the same fictional universe

 No.1560168

>>1560103
Oh I’ve written plenty of short stories, even did a lot of collaborative forum and RPG RP.

Sadly a thing about short stories I’ve learned from other writers is that there really isn’t a market for unknown authors creating a short story collection. Hence me trying to break into the business with a novel.

Right now I’m writing historical fiction. A murder mystery set in medieval Germany. If it’s successful I might want to branch off into fantasy novels.

 No.1560243

>>1560028
Godspeed, anon. I've just got my first student as a guitar teacher, but making money from actual music you've written is pretty hard. I've composed some stuff, and I think I'd like to write music for videogames one day, but I'm not there yet.

 No.1560283

>>1560243
Trying to make money off your passions is hard, but I like to think it’s rewarding. I’m rooting for you Anon. Funny enough the CPUSA is doing internal surveys to learn members’ artistic talents, to better help the party. So that’s a way to expand your reach I think.

I don’t have any clue what others will think of my stories, though I hope if they’re good enough I can direct people to the Party. We’ll see.

 No.1589691

is making fake resumes more common now?

 No.1589693

>>1589691
wym fake resumes? like fake work experience?

 No.1589696

>>1549045
It's not what you know but who you know as the saying goes. Also "people hire people, not resumes" Both cliches relate the same truth. Applying online is an algorithmic elimination game. Even whichever applicants survive the pruning process will take the backseat to someone internal to the company whose judgement is trusted recommends. That's just human psychology.

 No.1589715

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>tfw got a government job with full benefits package and paid holiday
life is good as a labor aristocrat

 No.1589716

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>>1589715
NOOOOO! I HATE YOU!!!

 No.1589725

>>1589693
well yes, what else would there be?

 No.1589732

>>1589725
>what else would there be?
fake degrees and fake industrial certifications

 No.1590439

I know I recommended it a few times in the last thread, but if you live in the USA then locum tenens X-ray/CT/MRI is good six-figure jobs you can get with nothing more than a two-year degree in radiography at an ARRT-accredited community college.

Pros:
>work 13 to 52 weeks at a time, extending your contract if they like you and you want to stay
>make between $1800 and $3500 per week after taxes (as of right now), depending on your specialization, contract and what state you go to (X-ray pays least, CT pays most, MRI is in the middle)
>$1000 or more of your weekly pay is a tax-free stipend for paying for housing, food, etc and doesn't count as income, so you stay in a lower tax bracket than your pay would suggest
>if you hate a place you're only there 3 months and then you leave
>if you budget properly you can work one or two contracts and then take months off of work and do whatever
>Speedrun getting good at your specialization of choice as literally every hospital has different protocols and procedures

Cons
>Have to be able to pass a drug test
>Have to be okay with being away from home for months at a time
>Can be difficult or impossible if you have a wife, kids, or a dog and want to take them with you

 No.1592932

>Be black male
>Work in tech
>Old whites never listen
>Problems solved when they finally fucking do
>Get 0 recognition
What do?

 No.1593108

>>1592932
How do I get a job. I keep applying but I can’t find any responses

 No.1593123

>>1592932
Hrrrm. Career wise, the smartest thing to do would be to pick the smartest or least dumb one ask them to be your mentor and try and get some personal recognition through that.

 No.1593126

>>1592932
Just play as hard as you can into the corporate diversity angle I guess, you're gonna be associated with it no matter what you do, so sign up for all the diversity boards, BAME representation committee, etc

 No.1593128

>>1593108
Tough question.
Have you tried following up? The extra rejection will sting but you can get feedback of some sort, and sometimes the office lost all the paperwork and the position still isn't filled.

 No.1593137

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>>1592932
theres no solution because America is racist tbh. Maybe once you gain enough seniority at a company you can be the person in charge who isnt a turd.
>>1593108
Assuming you're in tech, since you responded to that post?

tech market is rough right now, you have lots of layoffs including people with years of experience. New grads sending hundreds of applications and getting no response. People will tell you to grind LC, make github projects and keep applying. Thats a good idea but if you're unemployed after months and still desperate then try this:

If you can't get a job after like 1k applications you need to apply to WITCH and sub-WITCH tier firms. they take practically anyone.

WITCH = Wipro, Infosys, TCS, Tech Mahindra, and HCL aka "indian outsourcing body shops". They suck but its a job and in tech. I'd say out of those Infosys is arguably the best. Low paid and shitty IT consulting work. But its a job and "tech" experience on the resume.

Sub-Witch = Even shittier than WITCH. Revature, FDM Group, etc. These will essentially make you an indentured servant for 1-2 years and pay you like $45k to live in NYC or other major cities. But it is a tech job and it usually converts at the end of the contract into a full time job at the company in question. They give you training in some tech and then bait and switch you into a low level IT support position which you can't get out of contractually anyway (otherwise you'll be forced to pay an obscene fee more than a years salary). If you have enough savings and mental stability to grind it out though they literally take almost anyone. Out of these FDM is probably the better one since they have ex-professors and other people with phds teach the training material. You will be forced to relocate. If you're lucky with revature your contract will be sold to infosys or similar company before two years, (sometimes right after training), breaking you out of it early.

anyone can have a "job" in tech but it will be a shit sandwich to eat in the short term pay wise, on tier with guys who work at best buy, but once you have experience on the resume recruiters look on you alot more favorably.

 No.1593138

>>1593108
Head down to your locally owned family businesses and ask to fill out an application. This will demonstrate how hard of a worker you are and how valuable you are to the company. Invest in the nicest clothes you can afford.

Don't be lazy. Be valuable. A job won't come to you.

 No.1593160

>>1593138
Most of us already hold down jobs ya pseud

 No.1593179

>>1593138
>don’t be lazy
>a job won’t come to you
This entire global economy is fake as shit and deserves all the resignations it got and so many more.

 No.1594867

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>lose my job to automation
>even though my job is still kinda necessary and corporate is kinda shooting themselves in the foot and assuming AI is magic
>corporate instead of firing me puts me on the software dev team
>even though I have no software dev experience
>turns out the last bug tester was mentally ill and dropped off the map without putting in two weeks
>they just wanted to use me to plug that position because they figured it was EZ and they could pay me less than a qualified person
>have to cobble together the random knowledge from software classes I took 10 years ago
>do surprisingly well the first few weeks
>actually have more social skills than most people on the dev team
>start taking transcripts of agile meetings so I can keep up with what people are saying and look things up later
>realize that corporate is super dumb
>they ask for a feature to be added one week because they don't like having to think
>they ask for the same feature to be removed the next week because they don't like having to click more buttons and learn more user interface
>they'll do this 3 or 4 meetings in a row just so they have feedback for the dev team
>corporate can't even agree with each other on what they want the software to do
>it's starting to get too many features, become an insane swiss army knife that does 1000 things very shitty but faster than humans so I guess it's OK
>realize the dev team is mostly contractors from the global south milking our company
>start looking at the code repository
>even though I'm not from a software background I can tell this code is sloppy as fuck
>no comments
>no documentation
>lots of redundancy
>hard coded values instead of variables
>sloppy ass javascript single page app that is supposed to do everything an entire laid off work force used to do
>corporate is marketing this software to other corporate dumbasses in other companies as a miracle solution to everything
>we're getting a surprisng number of contracts
>my job is actually easier than ever
>i get a raise
>constantly going back and forth between imposter syndrome/superiority complex
>they let me work from home
>most people can't pay rent

why the fuck is capitalism like this? I tripped over my own dick into a higher paying position and I didn't even do anything to deserve it! Meanwhile most of us got laid off! What the fuck? (I still make less than median income in my nation so don't go calling me class collaborationist or whatever)

 No.1594869

>>1594867
Just make hay while the sun is shining. I was unemployed for like 3 years then I got a comfy office job where they treat me nice, you never know what could happen so just try to accumulate money and assets now so you will be okay later

 No.1594870

>>1594869
absolutely. I got a kid and shit so I have to do that

 No.1594871

>>1594867
because capitalism is bullshit

 No.1594872

>>1594870
Best of luck man, I don't have kids but I am buying a house with my BF so we can finally live together and don't have to deal with landlords ever

 No.1594877

>>1594872
same to you. I recommend gardening and composting

 No.1594880

>>1594867
I have so many nasty fucking things I want to say about the company you work for, capitalist inefficiency or just the state of the imperial core. But right now I can’t feel anything but numbness seeing this shit, there’s so many more shitty stories like this and a mountain of stupid problems associated with the system that creates stuff like it. Fuck man

 No.1594886

>>1594877
Thanks, we will have a nice big back garden, I plan to try turn it from a lawn into something more environmentally conscious/interesting

 No.1595817

Entry Level SWE Jobs Don't Exist

 No.1595834

>>1595817
Yeah and they shouldn’t have to begin with. Seriously take a moment to actually think about the implications of making any job related to engineering or research into some groundbreaking new tech entry level. Your saying you want to find someone that’s probably never had a job before just suddenly gain all the knowledge of machinery a trades worker could have, the algebraic skills of a fourth year calculus student, the software experience of a veteran in whatever the company/government facility is using, right out of college/university. That’s not reasonable, the prerequisites for a lot of these jobs is understandably high, and even fulfilling some of them require people to be way better educated in multiple broad feels of math and chemistry so they don’t get confused if anything unusual comes up.

Even today some of the best universities struggle to get students to understand algebra past logarithms and basic set notation, and you’re putting them in an environment where they suddenly need to understand a fuck load of compsci, parametrics, linear algebra or whatever other fields are required for tech.

 No.1595838

>>1560097
>grocery worker
I feel your pain Anon. You can only step in a puddle of chicken blood so many times before you decide its time for a change.

 No.1595843

>>1595838
I feel like supermarket is legit the worst place to work out of all choices except maybe fast food, the more customers your job serves the worse it will be basically

 No.1596145

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>>1595834
90% of corporate dev shit is turning basic specs into software that automates mundane business tasks, stop acting like most software engineers need to master convex optimization the average software engineer outside certain niche fields barely uses algebra.
>making any job related to engineering or research into some groundbreaking new tech entry level
traditional engineering has 4 year internships (EIT) before you can be declared a "real" engineer, maybe that could be a route for software.

 No.1596165

>>1595843
I worked in a steel mill for a while which was definitely more miserable, but at least it paid a lot more.

 No.1596188

>>1596145
>90% of corporate dev shit is turning basic specs into software that automates mundane business tasks
Yeah I can see why they won’t hire. If much of the work being pushed out is that unsubstantial it’s reasonable to guess most employers aren’t taking getting new staff entirely seriously and are prone to giving job seekers unrelated chores to do to compensate so they don’t have their employees doing work they never needed or will ever used, assuming those employees are even always going to be staffed. No wonder so many of them keep fishing for experienced devs to take on the heavier stuff. What an economy.

 No.1596519

>>1596145
Speaking as a workaday SWE you are correct. The compsci stuff rarely has practical application. It's mostly about understanding how to use various frameworks, libraries, and tools. And of course actual programming languages. Knowledge of algorithms is of course helpful, but most of the real work involves snapping together various building blocks and treating what you don't understand as a black box.

 No.1597312

>>1596519
>>1596188
the problem of junior devs is they are too useless to do any real work and after being trained/onboarded and getting 2-3 years of exp, they just jump ship to another company as a midlevel engineer making all that time and effort a waste.

 No.1597314

>>1596519

the only time you need algorithms is for the 7 rounds of leetcode interviewing to get a support job

 No.1597324

>>1597312
Wow that post goes back to what I just said here
>>1595834
This shit takes time to learn to do properly.

 No.1597422

>>1532795
I’m going to suggest independent video game development and contracting.

Most game developers are on a contract anyways (i.e. the game is almost done, half the workforce is furloughed, game is done, more workers are furloughed, game support ends, the rest of the team is furloughed, another game is planned, the developers are hired back).

If you can contract for yourself as opposed to some company like ACE developers INC you will get paid more. If you can develop your own games on the side you can do pretty good, and avoid corporate culture invasion of your life. Just don’t become a reactionary dick if you start making $200,000 a year for a couple years.

 No.1601035

>>1597422
thanks anon, what kind of skills do you need to do this job?

 No.1601091

>>1601035
Creative skills. Depends on the medium you want to work (pixel game, 3D game, platformer), but you might want to learn how to use computer paint or sculpting tools. Suggest AESPRITE, Blender, and Gimp. Then obviously you need a game development platform. For someone who is small time or working alone you could risk Unity. It seems like they have a $200k threshold before they start asking for fees. So basically, if you're only doing 6,000 sales per game you probably won't have to pay for it. You could also use open source GODOT or Unreal. In any event you'll need to learn a programming language which depends on the environment (Unity -> C#, Unreal -> C++, GODOT -> C++, C# and GDscript + Open Source so can integrate Python). Finally, discipline. You need to work a couple hours a day autonomously without being whipped by a boss. You could do it in your spare time to start, but you still need discipline to watch a few YouTube videos on a programming language. Don't go too crazy on learning the programming language first, because you'll have plenty of problems to solve which will help you learn as you develop the game. Watch enough videos to learn how to use types, loops and conditions. Then google to overcome problems as you go. You really don't need a $70,000 college degree to learn how to program enough to create games unless you struggle to self-teach.

 No.1601105

>>1532795
>Just hustle bro
>work hard!
>get passive income streamz
>muh career
>Don't be poor lol
I would have hoped leftypol was a bit more in the know about this sort of late capitalist auto-exploitation. Your career should be thinking of various ways to sabotage and bring down the system. You will never be rich.

 No.1601110

>>1601105
> You will never be rich.
This. I assume it is mostly children ITT because mostly it is fantasy. You are never going to be writing video games or WTF you are just going to end up working poor like the rest of us, probably working on a building site or in a shop or factory or something like this, back breaking work.
Recon with it and accept it as you struggle for a better world, don't fall in to the trap of upper-class easy well payed jobs that are sold to you by sitcoms and movies through american cultural imperialism, you are a poor person, a member of the working class and being on this website you already know 'social mobility' is a bare faced lie that does not come out in reality.
Accept reality and struggle against it to not is only going to fuck you all up.

 No.1601116

>>1597312
If I was in school now for computer shit I'd get into AI development. We're already at a stage where AI dev is becoming more accessible through frameworks like LangChain, and it is becoming more so as we speak . There's a lot of demand for these new libraries and skills. Notably, AI dev also threads the needle of avoiding getting automated away, since models are time lagged and only trained on data that predates the AI boom . Furthermore, AI scraping has caused a reaction in the programming world where people are being more cautious about openly sharing pertinent training data on the web , meaning that old fashioned human brain skills will drive development .

While it used to be rocket science AI development is becoming more "lego blocky" and more accessible to workaday programmers. Of course, it might turn out to be a fad and you run the risk of learning all kinds of skills only to enter a deflating market , but you're forced to do that no matter what choice you make since this is capitalism and you are disposable by design.

 No.1601128

>>1601110
As has almost always been true, save for in socialist countries, the main determinant of "success" is class position . Social mobility was so ubiquitous in the USSR that it wasn't even recognized as such. Many top leaders came from the peasantry and certainly would have never gotten there under capitalism. We live in a class based society that wants wage slaves living at a subsistence wage, who ideally believe the ruling ideology that if they work harder they will succeed more. When in reality this is just a means to squeeze more productivity out of them by convincing them to embrace their own exploitation as a means of progress, rather than reject it.

 No.1601129

>>1601116
AI shit requires you to be really, really good at math which most people, even computer people aren't.

 No.1601140

>>1601116
(me) as an aside, I view AI as a mostly monstrous transformation of capitalism into something truly destructive and ethically, it must be taken out of the hands of these corporations and to work for them is to be complicit in the socioeconomic devastation. However I get it that if you're just trying to make your way in this world and not have to worry too much about money, it's justified.

 No.1601145

>>1601128
Yes, that was kind of my point thank you for being far more articulate than me. This being a leftist board and generally even statistically speaking the vast majority of us will never have the chance to work in an office or to create for a living, it is fantasy sold to us by american media that is quite frankly troubling to see propagated here.
Personally i am skeptical of encouraging 'work' like this at all, i was a labourer, my family are all tradespeople so from my POV why work? Yes i would have more money but i would have no time or mental health to spend it, i can see with everyone around me that they get to old age and their bodies are wrecked through work injuries and through the ravages of time and hard labour. For many obvious reasons work cannot always be avoided but I think anyone on the left should be disdainful of work and suspicious of anyone trying to push the glory and so on of working.

 No.1601147

>>1601129
That might be true of the classes in school, but not the actual hands-on practical development skills. The hands-on programming skills require you to learn these libraries and a set of concepts for application development. The math is abstracted away. If you're taking comp sci anyway you should already be decent at math. Most academic comp sci departments have their heads up their asses, and those professors are teaching students to become professors. Academia is sequestered from the market in many ways, and tends to function in a self-reproducing way in which academics seek to beget academics.

Certainly it wouldn't hurt to know all that theoretical stuff, but it's not what will get you a workaday job as a developer.

 No.1601154

>>1601147
AI scientist and AI engineer not the same

 No.1601169

>>1601154
Well I'm talking about the latter.

 No.1601777

>>1601105
>>1601110
passive income and having a normal job aint the same bruh

 No.1601914

I've been applying for jobs online and I did get a few interviews out of it. One of them is a caretaker job. I hope that the interviews will go well.

 No.1602206

>>1601914
good luck anon

 No.1602336

>>1601777
Passive income is something only rich people , who again are already rich, enjoy. Not workers.

 No.1602479

I’m not even mad anymore about how slow the job hunting process is anymore, I’m mad over how slow everything is in general here in leaf land. Fucking 40+ applications, 2 interviews and a drivers license and then I got a fucking retail job over 4 months. And now that I’ve been hired I had to wait another week before I would know all the information required to setup payrolls and positions would be finished, and then another fucking week before I could show up for my first day of work to setup scheduling for only 2 weeks of work, for a fucking part time job. It’s so fucking isolating to only really have my family to talk to in all that time man. It’s so disheartening knowing all the professional work and other shenanigans here is exactly like that for normal citizens.

 No.1602504

>>1602479
>40+ applications
lol rookie numbers bruh. Any job gets like 250+ applications nowdays. You need four digits before you start despairing

 No.1602506

>>1602504
You think I don’t know? I know a guy that had to throw out 130+ before he got his first real job and plenty more that have to wait years worth of unemployment before they can find any work.

 No.1612348

Is your job isolating?

 No.1612618

>>1602479
>>1602479
>here in leaf land
this is totally off topic leaf anon but is the nazi in parliament going to break through and affect public perception of the Ukraine conflict? Make a report plz

 No.1612696

>>1612618
No one gives enough of a shit about us man, everyone here is poor and trying to cope with an inflation crisis, no one’s gonna care about our politicians being misinformed idiots :(

 No.1615036

HOW MANY JOBS DO YOU HAVE TO APPLY TO ON AVERAGE BEFORE GETTING A JOB? 10? 50? 100? 300? 500? 1000+?

Seriously

 No.1615042

>>1602506
every job I've ever gotten has taken 200-300 applications or more. And in this economy its gonna be even harder

 No.1615048

>>1612696
> everyone here is poor and trying to cope with an inflation crisis, no one’s gonna care about our politicians being misinformed idiots :(
Same in many places currently seemingly, that this is such a widespread thing, many think it is worse than 2008, more and more maks me think something has to give soon.

 No.1616283

1 million job postings were open in Canada but only 500 thousand migrants came in. My workplace is fucking empty and I have to do more hours than usual this week because of it, I don’t care if i get more money, I’m poor either way, but no one’s showing up. Fuck

 No.1616321

>>1616283
>1 million job postings were open in Canada but only 500 thousand migrants came in
yeah and like 2 housing units were built so the rents still going up

 No.1616336

>>1616283
You don't have to work harder just because the place is understaffed, stick to your contracted hours and put in your normal effort, if nothing gets done then oh well, maybe they will hire more then.

 No.1616359

>>1536110
Damn, same spot. I give up, joining the military

 No.1616373

>>1616359
bruh consulting groups like FDM are all over canada. You will probably be a prod support guy at TD bank or something but its way too early to give up on a CS degree

 No.1616436

>>1595817

I just want to code😭

 No.1616441

>>1601140

AI is just futher automation of intellectual labour. The entire IT sphere is.

 No.1630458

Fellabros, why is working fast food 5 days a week so exhausting? I'm not nigerian working 12 hours a day in diamond mines. It shouldnt feel this shitty being a fast food worker, right? Am i weak and pathetic or something?

 No.1630464

>>1630458
Your job sucks. It might not be diamond mining but at least then you don't have to put up with shitty customers. Besides comparing yourself with others is pointless. Just try to get through it and find a better job if you can.

 No.1630469

>>1630458
fast food is exhausting because modern fast food joints make you work at a frenetic pace cuz theyre too cheap to do otherwise. Often nightshift makes 1 person work drive thru and scoop food by themselves while cleaning the store in their 'down time'. working fast food in the 1970s would have been a chill gig. Now its a glorified assmbly line and is similar to amazon labor but with grease.

t. former fast food employee from the "highest volume" fast food franchise in that company nationwide

 No.1630491

>>1630458
>It shouldnt feel this shitty being a fast food worker, right?
ofc not
>>1630469
I assume youre talking about understaffing? Ya that figures though it seems to me like thats a universal problem at this point. I suppose it would be excacerbated in the fast food industry since i believe profit margins are small. Ive never worked fastfood but I have done plenty of assembly line tier factory work and I think the analogy is apt. Reality is that cooking seems like a hard gig and the general rule is that shittier jobs get shitter pay. I guess thats supposed to be the motivation to pull yourself up by the bootstraps even though these jobs are arguably more productive than a lot of overpaid desk jobs (not to demean the productive, underpaid desk jobs)

 No.1630492

>>1630469
Ding ding ding, there’s a bigger element to this. All the workers that got laid off or left during the great resignation never came back, modern fast food joints and markets are being run by skeleton crews. Same goes for many other forms of public/private service in North America.

It doesn’t matter how much propaganda is pushed out by industry leaders here, there’s just too many corporations shutting down and people abandoning working here completely because it doesn’t pay and asks too much from employees. Shit fuels a cycle of resignation where more people leave, other have to pick up the work and get stressed to shit and force more people to leave.

Wouldn’t even be so bad if any of these companies would bother paying out the ass for things like automats, self checkouts and other forms of self servicing machines for more roles in these places. Too bad that shits expensive because of maintenance and installation costs, stacked on top of the fact that it’s easier to hire impoverished migrants than it is to put a machine that could break down or be misused by consumers at any time

 No.1630624

>>1630492
working employees to the bone predates the great resignations anon and indeed is likely part of the cause of it

 No.1630632

>>1630458
tbf even a desk job 5 days a week including commuting is exhausting the only reason desk employees arent tired all the time is that they can remote or hybrid remote work and watch tv or sleep on the clock, at least part of the time, without consequences.

Honestly a human can only concentrate physically or mentally for like 3-4 hours a day anyway max, everything else is just pretending to work and the only question is how you space it out.

 No.1630648

>>1630491
The fast food industry is really a real estate industry which funds its property ownership with the food sales, which is why profit margins for food might be small but the industries themselves continue to exist. Being a fast food worker is basically prostituting your body for a wage so that mcporky can buy more land in cities and develop it into burger joints. Not to mention that selling fast food slop is just as poisonous to people as "slanging dope". The workplace itself was always an assembly line but it's never ran on skeleton crews like it has since covid afaik. I guess the rate of profit is pinching porky hard enough to try to force employees to do the work of 2 or 3 people by default.

 No.1630669

>>1630648
>afaik
Did you read crossed plus 100? Haven’t seen that phrase ever used outside of that comic.

 No.1630702

>>1630669
I do not read. "As far as i know" is common terminology

 No.1630778

what’s a job I can do with my hands (NOT RETAIL) fresh out of high school ie no extended training

 No.1630794

>>1630669
>>1630702
AFAIK is a pretty common term on the internet

 No.1630799

>>1630778
Military
Sales (low end or door to door)
Trade Apprentice
Fast Food

 No.1631756

>>1630778
we live, we love, we work

 No.1631803

>>1630778
well I guess there's super basic helpdesk jobs, I got one earlier this year on a 3 month contract for a government website (where the program was specific enough that the callers weren't really the "general public"), I only got around 3 callers who had a stick up their ass the whole contract, but this still might be too close to retail for your taste so take this with a grain of salt.

 No.1641283

Workaholism is so fucking trashy. Like what’s pulling double digit hours contributing to? Unless your a genuine industrial worker building infrastructure or manufacturing shit, there’s a very real and very clear point in any shift where working more hours isn’t actually producing or providing any services or goods to anyone. You’re just on site for a few more hours and I have the experience to say that I’m correct. Even more in “work obsessed” countries like SK and Japan it’s known that office workers spend almost half there time doing almost fucking nothing while at work often because they already finished what they need to well ahead of schedule with the extra time they had.

 No.1645643

God, I still haven't found a job after 6 months of being unemployed. I keep getting interviews but I never get chosen. What am I doing wrong? I so want to find a job but it seems like no one wants to hire me.

I went to college, got a associates degree and have work experience, but it seems like every time they choose someone else over me.

 No.1645680

>>1630778
tree planting

 No.1645720

>>1645643
thats normal to an extent but you might want to research how to interview better if you blow it at that stage. That being said a certain amount of rejection (even after 6 months) is normal especially in this market and economy of high interest rates

 No.1646577

South American here, I have 5 years of experience working as a data analyst. How do I get a job in a US business?

I'd gladly accept something that pays me 2.5k dol/month. I'm tired of not making enough bucks, fuck.

 No.1646623

>>1646577
You wanna get shot you fucking maniac?

 No.1646626

>>1646577
You have to apply to a US company and get a visa.

 No.1647073

You cant be a misanthrope unless youve worked for one of these companies 😡

 No.1647074

>>1647073
like working for muh small business is any less miserable lol

 No.1647079

>>1646626
I was thinking about a remote job, I don't really wanna go to the US

>>1646623
Why?

 No.1647083

>>1647079
>I was thinking about a remote job, I don't really wanna go to the US
then do that. literally just apply -

 No.1647084

>>1647079
I cannot do anything to stop you from moving there over literally any other country beyond explaining why it’s a shitty idea even if it’s for work. I can say this, just pick a better country, any other country to move to if you’re looking for a better paying job. There’s many all around the planet in countries with far less shitty problems than the United States, or just North America in general.

Don’t put yourself through the pain of dealing with cartoonish living prices, being treated like shit over your identity regardless of what it is, risking your health on shitty traffic in car centric cities designed to squeeze money out of car owners, losing access to free or reasonably priced healthcare, worrying over bad encounters with gun violence, dealing with the amount of grifting and corruption that occurs there on a regular basis or any other dumbass shenanigans that country promotes and exports to the rest of the planet. It’s just not worth the effort to move there if there’s already jobs that pay better near you, I know I sound naive, like I’m glorifying other countries as if they’re the bastion of civilization towards the USA but I am fully honest when I say you should stay in South America or just consider moving to somewhere better that’s not in North America for your own sake.

 No.1647086

>>1647084
Oh and also moving there is likely gonna cut your life expectancy down by a bit.

 No.1647088

>>1647084
>>1647086
bruh he said he wants a US job thats remote, not to move to the US. That way he can pocket US wages and pay thirdoid prices

 No.1647090

>>1647088
Oh thank Christ. I was worried he was considering moving to that shithole and pointlessly put himself in danger because I read that too fast. thanks for the clarification.

 No.1647875

anons, I wasted like 3 years after high school in lockdown, and just now started with my bachelors in accounting degree? Am I fucked, to do retail jobs all my life, is the job market that bad?

 No.1647886

>>1647875
naw, you're fine. Accounting isn't as difficult as engineering/cs math wise luckily, make sure you take school serious though. The fact is (in the US at least) you need graduate credits to become a CPA for example which means possible a masters. don't shut the door to grad school by fucking off in college and having a bad gpa.

Accounting is a pretty safe upper middle class career and unlike tech has not had a recession since '08.

Its boring as fuck but if you get into a good company (ex: the "big 4" in the us) and get some experience you could end up making 6+ figures easily after a few years.

the people fucked to do retail/starbucks are the people who graduated with a liberal arts or social science degree from a mid or low state school.

Accounting degree from any school will eventually get you a job, even if it takes you like 400 applications.

 No.1648105

is LINKEDIN DYSTOPIAN ?

 No.1648355

>>1647886
>the people fucked to do retail/starbucks are the people who graduated with a liberal arts or social science degree from a mid or low state school.
Here the privileged moron. Guess what dickhead? You can go through the entirety of HS with near perfect grades, go into med, STEM, or buissness and still come out of school completely fucked either way. What matters is the availability of jobs and if you’re even qualified for them, not how much you blew on whatever degree you got. You know there’s thousands of people in the states alone that move to different countries or states for work because their dumbass degree can’t get them anywhere in life in their own countries. In Italy and India most of their stem graduates migrate to places like Germany France and the west coast of the USA for work because there’s no fucking room for them in their own countries.

 No.1648421

>>1648355
nobody is saying its fair anon

 No.1650978

I don’t make enough to feed myself, even if I worked full time I still wouldn’t, if I moved out I just wouldn’t eat. I work part time as many hours as I can in Canada and had to ask myself “what the fuck am I gonna have to eat for dinner” for I don’t know how much time before it dawned on me about the situation I was in. I don’t make enough to feed myself or anyone in my family anything regardless of how much I work. Fucking economy here is ruthless, tuition fees thousands upfront so that’s where nearly all my income goes to, if I had to work the full 40 plus overtime I wouldn’t be able to eat anything anyways because of the cost of living plus that my parents ph for, which is crazy to think about because I don’t spend money I get on anything I don’t need like entertainment or hobbies. And god forbid I had to move out I would get smoked instantly by rent prices and having to pay for food, car ownership, and the probably dozen other multi thousand expenditures this dumbass country requires its citizens to blow on just to live a “normal” existence only to have to do things like give up on seeking education, hobbies or relationships purely if it means coming home everyday knowing I can live for the rest of the month.
That’s not fair to me or anyone in my situation, that’s defined not fair to all the people working professional work or the elderly who’ve worked their whole lives and can barely afford to feed themselves in a “developed” economy. No wonder we fell into an inflation crisis, fucking fast food is as expensive as normal slop and no one here buys or invests in anything except housing if they’re concerned about profits because there’s fuck all to buy in Canada unless your a literal millionaire. God damn man.

 No.1654025

>>1601914 (me)
>>1645643 (me)
Well, good news everyone. I finally got a job offer!

 No.1654083

>>1648355
I remember the irony of the UK government claiming that the only reason wages were low and unemployment high for graduates is because everyone did Music degrees, but I was working in a call centre briefly with someone who had a PhD in some kind of pharmaceutical research field and the few companies still doing that kind of thing in the UK all wanted 10+ years of experience.

 No.1654115

>>1654083
A fucking decade plus just for that? At that point you’re not serious about actually wanting new workers at all and you’re betting on someone getting laid off, anyone with that kind of experience isn’t even gonna consider staying in the uk for shoddy pay from any of those employers as worth the effort, far from it.

 No.1654118

>>1647088
literally labour aristocracy

 No.1654121

>>1654115
Yeah it seems like really they're not interested unless you've got industrial secrets on competitors or something. The call centre fucking loved it though because uni graduates caught on quickly with their systems and processes, they were getting so much more productivity out of them than the lifers before the depression sets in and they quit.

 No.1654261

im having a technical interview tomorrow, wish me luck, lads, because im about to make a retard out of myself

 No.1654273

>>1654261
Just answer the questions honestly it’s not a big deal if you don’t look like you’ve been doing interviews your whole life.

 No.1655080

LMAO We have new mgmt at my job and they're going full Pork and have a real hate boner for me. Cant wait until Im written up again. Lol, just gonna quit. WTF they gonna do?

 No.1655085

>>1654261
hope you grinded hackerrank/LC

 No.1655086

>>1655080
it happens bruh.

 No.1655087

>>1650978
i heard this is why the conservatives are winning in canada because they promised to fix the housing crisis

 No.1655092

>>1655086
Yeah big time. Its a shame since Im super undervalued there but that's how they wanna do who am I to stop them? Just wish I had the same idea last time that happened. I just cant have them thinking they won

 No.1655094

>>1655087
That’s not enough, the cost of living currently is unacceptable and food prices for some people in places like Montreal and Ontario is bordering on being as high for a single person as rent. We need infrastructure and a lot of it, but that won’t happen, outside of the fast that construction season is slow due to the whole “Canada is cold thing”, the governments here don’t subsidize in this shit as much as they should while barely any youth are left to pick up industry related work, even if their numbers are picking up.

 No.1655489

>>1655085
i didnt:DDD

 No.1655747

>>1654273
>>1655085
it went well, ill get their decision next week, but im 90% sure they are going to hire me :DDD

 No.1655749

>>1655087
the canadian conservative leader literally owns multiple homes the people falling for that crap deserve to be shot

 No.1655762

>>1655749
Thanks, I don’t watch anything Pierre puts out but it’s healthy to still be aware of how much this frozen hell I’m stuck in sucks no matter how good shit looks like it’s gonna get.

 No.1655765

>>1655762
Side note, I think that bringing things like this up highlights why politicians should stop showing their faces to advertise their parties. It’s so easy for proles with minimal or bad information to fall victim to parasocial relationships with figures like Pierre and other populists and end up voting for policies that harm them. If every party went fully digital and only advertised their parties on private forums how new policies and programs are introduced would be a lot more cohesive and thought out than emotionally charged and spontaneous.

 No.1656285

>>1655749
polling shows people 18-29 are leaning conservative since 2022

>A recent Abacus Data poll showed that 37 per cent of 18 to 29 year olds were prepared to back the Tories — a larger base of support than for either the Liberals or the NDP.


>Abacus Data’s recent polls suggests 40 per cent of millennials (born from 1981 to 1996) and 32 per cent of Generation Z (those born between 1997 and 2012) would vote for the Conservatives. In comparison, 21 per cent millennials and 24 per cent Gen Z would vote for the Liberals.

 No.1657452

>>1656285
This would be a lot more interesting if that generation wasn’t like 14-8% of the population here depending on what province you’re in.

 No.1657455

>>1656285
Not exactly honest way to break down the statistics is it. NDP and liberals are both 'liberal' parties.

 No.1657468

>>1656285
I can't imagine answering a poll, when/if I were 18-29, so really how accurate can it be… Imagine the person that would even take the time to even hear out why they're even calling me…
abacusanon:
< hi anon I'm calling from Abacus Data and today we're conducting a po–
me
>[end call]

 No.1657562

>>1656285
Its just one poll but this is the shit that blackpilled me on bourgeois democracy long before reading commie theory. For all the grandstanding, most of the pop. is happy to flip back and forth between the two supposedly diametrically opposed centrist parties. A few months back I was discussing the imminent lib implosion and some retard responded by saying NDP would get all of those votes and I just laughed in his face. Dude was convinced lib voters wouldn't betray their heckin values or something
Not that NDP would be much better anyway. Next election I'm writing in Xi Jinping

 No.1660102

anons I'm thinking of learning web development as a side gig, is it worth it from a job perspective? (I don't know any coding beforehand)

 No.1660130

>>1657452
they're the future. The Canadian youth will turn libertarian

 No.1660133

>>1660102
if you do it you will be competing against thirdoids on websites like fiverr and upwork. Its good for some extra cash but dont expect alot of money unless you go hard and turn it into a small business, doing wordpress development for local businesses maybe.

 No.1660134

>>1660130
Well there’s barely a Canadian future in that case. Jokes aside the future hear is immigration and inevitable population decline. They makeup most of the growing population and their purpose outside of inflating gdp stats is offsetting the effects of our rapidly aging population. Most migrant families aren’t having many kids, seriously the only demographic I’ve seen consistently have at or above 2 kids are Indian families. That’s it, everyone else either has zero or two and nothing else. Eventually this migration will die out and so will us with the fact that many hear don’t consider marriage or kids as a worthwhile prospect when most are struggling literally to feed themselves every month.

 No.1660883

Fuck lawyers. Pettifogging shysters will face the wall.

 No.1660907

>>1660883
bipartisan opinion of radicals id say ;)

 No.1660927

>>1660907
Glad leftists and fascists can reach across the aisle in unanimous support of Shakespeare’s prescient question
>Why don’t we kill all the lawyers?

 No.1663378

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Where do you get motivation from. My dumbass actually managed to get into medicine at a university here in Canada. I already didn’t want to do this, but my parents kept pushing me to get in because they thought my mediocre as shit grades were genuinely high. Worse I’m having to go into this stupid ass fuck program while being placed against students with near perfect grade in a course I’m deadly sure is filled with teachers trying to get students to drop out or expelled due to low grades in comparison to other students.

That’s not even the worst aspect of this, it’s the fact that I’m currently working, and likely to gain a second job so I can pay out the ass for this shit because there is no way I’m letting either one of my parents blow money on this money hungry scam centre. This sucks fuck my life

 No.1663449

>>1663378
If you can get into medical school what's stopping you from getting into anywhere else

 No.1663472

>>1663449
I’m not special mate, anyone that isn’t in the literal sense, mentally disabled can get into these schools including you, high grades don’t require anything more than obedience, a fucking suicide bomber wrote something on that. It’s the fact that this shit is 51k while I’m making minimum wage in a job I’m not even sure will last me that long, for a program I don’t want to be in but can’t back out of because I’m poor as fuck and live with my parents.

 No.1663498

>>1663378
My man, don't worry. I can break down from what you said
>I didn't want to do it
>I am placed against perfect grades.
>The teachers will try to make you drop
>I am currently working
I have friends who have passed the medicine school with all at least 3/4 of the shit you are saying. Why? Because they wanted it. I know its hard, but I bet that you know how much is the pay for a average worker vs a doctor and you will see that all debts can be payed. Surprised to see that Canada doesn't have more net support for students in that regard.
Apart, the teacher may want you to drop out but if you pass that test you don't have to see his sorry face no more (unless he is your thesis manager or something).
But you can pass, and if volunteer for Medicins sans frontiers and you don't care about anyhing later, you can go to Gaza (or better).

 No.1663715

>>1663472
Instead of working for minimum wage, why don't you get a good job with your undergraduate degree?

 No.1664896

>>1663378
study hard, graduate with the nursing degree and become an RN. thats it, you will improve your income and stop being super poor. You will still be too poor to ever afford a house but at least you wont starve. Im serious anon, let your parents help financially, and study hard. People here are doomers who will say there's nothing you can do. This anon >>1663498 is right. Fake it till you make it, since everyone else is doing it anyway. Life under capitalism is bullshit so you may as well be a bullshitter anyway. Im a brainlet pseud and I have an advanced degree and an ok job as well. You can do it, I believe in you.

 No.1665529

Let’s all be honest shall we? Even in the utopian scenario where governments around the planet fund job training program for graduates, and there wasn’t a stigma against all blue collar work, there would still be mass unemployment because employers would double their standards in response instead of being reasonable at all about who they want.

All those “need years in underwater photography” type postings is intentionally made to spit on the intelligence of applicants and distance themselves from the prospect of applying. It’s meant to piss you off and waste your time when trying to find a new or another job, all jobs require some kind of training, employers know this but they’re too irresponsible and sleazy to post positions with reasonable requirements.

 No.1665813

>>1665529
the reason they are so obstinate is because supply always seems to outnumber demand. This is why socialists need to be anti natalist to increase the bargaining leverage of the proletariat

 No.1667018

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 No.1667020

>>1665813
Suicide is the best anti-natalist praxis

 No.1667034

>>1667018
>NEETs are accused of being lazy and unproductive
>People who take the initiative to seek out jobs are also accused of being lazy and unproductive
lol this system is not going to last another 50 years. capitalism is going to die and it's not going to be marxists who shovel the grave it will be capitalists themselves for being this retarded.

 No.1667050

>>1667034
Capitalism becomes fascism very quickly dont forget

 No.1668004

>>1667020
killing people that already exist vs just using a condom. wow you're dumb

 No.1668383

>>1667034

Marx did say capitalism would produce its own gravediggers

 No.1668923

>>1667018
Should we add the HR departments to the list if class enemies?

 No.1668925

>>1667018
This image is hilarious both because of the complete lack of self awareness this lady has and because it shows how fucking unproductive the imperial core is. This dumbass has lived her whole life in a region notorious for open grifting, service sector and bullshit working beating out anything that looks too productive, mass unemployment and outsourcing. It’s no wonder that these economies fall apart when faced with immigration or having their outsourcing options restricted, imperial core residents haven’t had to make or build their own shit almost ever.

 No.1668995

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>>1560037
>THESE FUCKING BABY PROSECUTORS DONT KNOW SHIT. THEY CANT EVEN DO THEIR FUCKING JOB AND ITS KEEPING MY CLIENTS FROM LIVING THEIR FUCKING LIVESSSSSSS AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

 No.1671941

Low employment rates mess me up so bad. Only Iceland has a stable post Soviet employment rates. Even in the ussr working wasn’t guaranteed especially if you were a ruralite due to infrastructural limitations on the Soviet governments to get people working in productive jobs. Today employment rates are a complete joke, not even lumpen believe in unemployment stats and taking into account the working age population to workforce ratio in places like Canada, China, India, you name it, it’s saddening to see how many people don’t have an income to rely on to give them a chance at life. It’s a limitation set by urbanization rates, if cities could accommodate more people, which they thankfully are more people would move into the labour force and be able to participate in their economy. We only have to wait and see for this to happen in places that need workforce mobilization the most.

 No.1671952

>>1671941
well people have wised up that the unemployment rate only measures temporary unemployment increases its really the long term labor participation rate that matters.

 No.1672646

File: 1699468331305.jpeg (128.12 KB, 828x591, IMG_0514.jpeg)

I’ve been trying to get a second job for tuition payments and shits going rough, how are you guys holding up?

 No.1672842

My job is cutting everyones' hours due to "high labor", and now im only working 3 days a week because they think i'm too slow and dont care.
Of course i dont care, but i cant get any faster without meth. Does a lack of amphetamine addiction count as a workplace handicap? I feel like i can't be any better at work unless i'm on meth or adderall. Thoughts guys?

 No.1672843

>>1672842
Absolutely do not take stimulants for work. It is not sustainable. You'll get better at it and will get just as fast. I can assure you that.

 No.1673147

>>1667018
>"No Go BaCk To YoUr MuD hUt PeAsAnT, oNlY i Am AlLoWeD tO bE a PaRaSiTe, NoT yOu, YoU mUsT wOrK iN mAcDoOdLeS fOrEvEr!!!!!!"

God what an arrogant whore of a woman.

 No.1673883

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>made right-wing mad

 No.1674109

have a year left in getting a useless degree and coping. i want to move out after graduating and live with a friend, hopefully working ill be a job which isn't total dogshit. he's pretty set because he has a degree which is actually useful but im so fucked lol. heres to hoping that i don't have to work retail guys cheers. nothing against working retail but ive never met a single person whos had a positive experience doing it lol

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 No.1674152

>>1674109
Hopefully you actually get a job that either pays enough or provides enough hours for you to live independently

 No.1674831

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Tf am I supposed to do? Not be poor? For context I’m currently working towards paying off my first term for university since the upfront fee is like $4.2k. I’ve been pushing my father and so has my mom to let me work in advance so I wouldn’t have to put up with debt or having to shoulder off payments to my parents because the cost for this shit is stupid and isn’t justified by the quality of education here anyways. Understandably my dad wants me to study to get an easier chance in school, my problem with that is the same my mother has with him is that he also wants me to stop going to work as consistently which where I live in on par with risking getting fired out right for abscense. I heard them arguing over this because the idea is stupid, I don’t want to have to risk making all the effort I just spent trying to avoid dealing with the raging headache that is modern tuition payments all for nothing and I can’t help but feel completely useless and frustrated. This is fucking stupid, how much longer am I gonna have to live with my parents? How tf am I even gonna find a job if I graduate because even professional jobs like nursing and engineering have inconsistent as shit employment rates because our local governments stupid and keeps cutting funding for everything.

Whatever just a rant I’ll figure something out regardless if I was competent enough to get a liscense and a job.

 No.1675256

bros I fell for the "learn to code" meme and have wasted almost a decade of my life in tech with almost nothing to show for it, completely shit-tier resume and almost never been above a poverty-tier income, and now I also fucking hate tech and can't stand working in this field anymore. I could have gone to grad school and at least tried to make a career out of doing something I enjoy instead of this shit, and now I'm also almost 30. should I kill myself?

 No.1675271

>>1675270
I'll git gud at killing myself

 No.1675306

>>1675256
>wasted my life
>below the age of 70
Ok baby

 No.1675568

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>>1560097
>>1560028
Just want to stay that while progress hasn’t entirely been consistent, it’s still there. This is longer than anything else I’ve written and with luck I might actually finish a book.

 No.1675627

Ive worked for lesbians twice and they seem to basically have no regard for men and treat them the worse. Has anyone had a similar experience with lgbt management? It annoys the fuck outta me how the gays get a pass for being as reactionary as they are

 No.1675635

>>1675568
keep up the good work. like you I was always into writing stories and things at an early age but dropped it in my teens. I took it up again during COVID while working retail. I wrote a novel and sent it to a friend but he said it was pretty shit. (it was) but he liked some short stories I did. I wrote another one. he said it was brilliant so I sent it to several agencies. got a good response but it wasn't marketable. I managed to keep going for a few years now. I'm still in retail but it's good to do something that isn';t just Netflix chill or petit bourg bs.

 No.1675763

>>1675635
Im glad to hear you got the writing bug during quarantine. I tried but I think it was a start-stop of making some really boneheaded mistakes (inconsistent schedule, no chapter outline) so I couldn’t get much done.
To some extent I’m worried about my book’s marketability; it’s gonna be a mystery thriller set in medieval Germany. But I suppose I’d rather hear that it won’t sell then that it’s bad haha.
Speaking of; I’m terrified it showing it to anyone without some hefty edits. I don’t think I write badly—at least compared to some college papers I’ve read, but I have this constant fear that it’s garbage.

 No.1675779

>>1560028
based writer-anon

 No.1675780

>>1675256
you cant get a do nothing job in tech?

 No.1675782

>>1675779
I’m not sure if it’ll be considered based. The MC is a Dominican Friar turned Inquisitor, though I’m planning for one of the major antagonists to be a Merchant that’s foreshadowing the coming Capitalist era.

 No.1679350

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>26 yo autist neet with no prior job experience (yeah I'm a middle class child of labor aristocrats parents ass parasite whatever)
>applied for job at taco cabana because my stem degree hasn't gotten me any work
>hiring manager asks if I have any prior formal employment
>be a fucking retard boy scout and say "n-no but if you give me a chance I'll work hard and won't let you d-down"
>don't ever hear back
>parents are furious at me because I can't seem to get any work and are threatening to force me to live in my aunt's driveway (she has a shitty camper that I can live in).

goddamnit. I gotta start lying for these entry level jobs. I probably could have lied to that cocksucker hiring manager and pulled some shit out of my ass about working for a fake tex mex restaurant called los titos or some shit. worst case scenario I get caught lying but its a meatbag job so who cares?

fuck everything man. I wish I wasn't so fucking useless.

 No.1679359

>>1679350
Anon you went to university, finished a course in something that looked promising and have spent time looking for work. You tried at the very least you did and honestly there’s not much you could’ve done, you can volunteer or go for an apprenticeship or something but I’m sure you’ve already heard that advice. Rn job market in many rich economies is shit because population growth is outpacing job growth and job stability, this means even the lowest skilled work can have employers asking for a phds worth of experience in the most non descript work ever. Keep trying regardless, you’ll become an independent adult eventually.

 No.1679369

>>1679350
Boomer parents are dumb shitheads like that. They still think it's the 1970s/80s where you could just waltz into a place and just get a gig..

 No.1679384

>>1679350
You just got to apply to more than one job. Lie about your work history if you want to but the key is quantity.

 No.1679400

I enjoy working
I work too much.
I'm only really "happy" when I'm working, and get anxious and restless when there's nothing to do. (by "happy" I mean a trance-like state of semi-unconsciousness)

I am also paid like shit and my job kinda sucks. On the weekends, if I don't have any work to do, I get sad because it becomes apparent how empty my life is. But I don't enjoy doing anything else either.

 No.1679402

>>1679400
Well it's okay if you enjoy it, maybe you can get a second job on the weekends. You can donate your wages to a charity (or a socialist party if you prefer) so it's all for a good cause.

 No.1679405

>>1679400
Okay, I guess you're not actually happy if you're unconscious. I think maybe you need therapy or something in that case. Or to see your doctor about depresion/SSRIs.

 No.1679647

>>1679384
Pffft bullshit, I have a job and a drivers license already and have been applying everyday for weeks for low skill work and still get no responses. No that anon is going through something that for a lot of people of all ages is unavoidable. We need more people educated, trained and a lot more buissnesses and governments ready to fucking hire relative to population growth because rn employment opportunities are bleak. That anon >>1679369
is correct

 No.1679653

>>1679400
sounds like probably seratonin burnout, you probably watched too much porn

 No.1679656

>>1679350
use your stem degree to get into a shitty consulting bodyshop like WITCH/FDM/Revature or Accenture.

 No.1680022

Should I apply to this Master's program? It sounds like the Multipolarista's dream. Currently not too happy with being a STEM-Lord…

>The two-year Master’s programme "Global Political Economy and Development" is a research-oriented graduate programme that leads to the degree of Master of Arts in Global Political Economy and Development. It introduces students to the institutions, actors and processes characterising globalised capitalism, North-South relations and development cooperation. It focuses on the global level, but it also looks at regional and national settings from a comparative perspective. Our curriculum stands out because it approaches political economy from a North-South perspective that is informed by development theory and practice and postcolonial perspectives


>Following topics are covered in the program:

>Labour in the Global Economy, Politics of Money, Debt and Finance, Issues of Post-Colonial Political Economy, Gender and Race in Globalisation, Global Governance and Development Cooperation, Global Political Ecology, Sustainability and Environmental Politics, European Integration and Migration Policy, Urbanization and Agrarian Studies, Postcolonial, Decolonial and Postdevelopment Theory, State, Civil Society and Social Struggles.

https://www.uni-kassel.de/uni/studium/global-political-economy-and-development-master/program-structure

 No.1680529

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Waggie, sell your PTO.

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 No.1683642

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the hell of capitalism is having to leave the house 5 days a week no matter how sleepy you are, not the amount of hours in a day

 No.1684287

>>1683642
related: >>1648270

 No.1684291

>>1680022
if you want, but again i dont think you need a masters program to study all that stuff you can study it on your own and being a stemlord is to pay the rent

 No.1686504

>>1672646
job market is shit right now cuz of interest rates, companies are cutting back

 No.1690592

>>1560028
I've thought about trying to pivot to making money off writing because it's the only thing I'm actually good at and enjoy doing, but it seems like a complete pipe dream that I'd ever make more than a few bucks off it. I've always just posted stuff online for free.

 No.1691914

>>1690592
depends what you write. the type of writing that would make you money would sort of require you to be very nakedly capitalistic and not profit driven. Like writing ads or technical writing or business journalism.

 No.1691921

if the project head is being passive aggressive af because i take too long in finishing stuff would i be a snitch if i told my boss whos cool with me about it

 No.1691935

Hey everyone, I just got fired today, and got an interview for another job tomorrow. How do I go about this opportunity to avoid being unemployed and broke while having to also work with the fact that the fact that I got fired?

 No.1691942

>>1691921
Who cares on being a snitch. This guy is acting like your boss. You should tell him to back down yourself though. Getting your boss involved is worse but acceptable.
>>1691935
Can you convince yourself you're still working at the other job? At least just for tomorrow. Like really act it out. Remember to be friendly and open :)

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>>1691921
Lmao, I'm in a similar situation. I'm autistic and kind of retarded and this guy at work keeps treating me like a child because I'm bad with instructions. I don't know if I should flip him off or what.

 No.1699381

Update: I think I have to give up the sauce boys. I know there’s a stereotype of the drunk writer, but I think booze has killed my focus and made it harder for me to write consistently.

Will report results in a week or so. I’m hoping my writing can pick up speed.

 No.1699388

>>1699381
As what was pointed out to me, the famous alcoholic writers didn't really write during their alcoholic periods. I guess Steven King got a bit of work done in his pill addiction period. Amphetamines might help as well but your writing will probably be crap.

 No.1699391

Currently dealing with a manager who resents that I am better at using needed programs and am far more prepared to deal with whatever the current issue is than her.
This week she has locked me into a bullshit project without the essential components to work on/ finish it. Seems like she has been withholding them knowingly for several days and passing incorrect info to other workers just to make it seem like I am slacking on my end.
I now have to record all of our meetings over the phone to catch her flat-out lying and otherwise slandering my reputation with the rest of my co-workers.

Maybe it's because I'm younger? I don't understand why she is acting like a complete child.
Should I just wait until I catch her in an obvious lie? Should I be approaching someone about this? I'm so new to the job that I feel like nobody would take my grievance seriously.

 No.1699430

>>1699388
Honestly I think I’m gonna stick with exercise and marijuana at least until the book is done. I’m lucky that I only have a psychological addiction to alcohol rather than a biological addiction.

Honestly it’s gonna suck, but the alternative might be retail hell forever.

 No.1699460

>>1699381
time to switch to cooler drugs

 No.1699475

>>1699460
I’ve done some Psilocybin and Cocaine (overrated) and honestly I think I come up with fun ideas high but I’ll need to be sober and disciplined to write.

 No.1699484

I wish I could work in politics or diplomacy but living in the imperial core basically all roads inevitably lead to being a stooge, a glowie or a sell-out.

 No.1699485

>>1699484
You could see about local politics, couldn’t hurt. It might be you could even pass some housing reform.

 No.1699544

I recently got laid off from a sweet software engineering job at a startup (yes I know) . I gave my all to this company , and it wasn't even that my all wasn't enough. I was foolish enough to think that this company was somehow different . Literally what happened is that an investor bought them out and negotiated controlling terms over the company, and I didn't figure into this anonymous alien interloper's schemes so I was to be laid off so that they could hire who the investor wanted to be hired.

Here is a critical example of the alienation of labor. It's not the first time, (I experience it all the time) but the most poignant time I experienced the reality of this concept.

All of this happened within the backdrop of the development of the commercial mainstreaming of AI as the latest tool of capitalist alienation .

All this did was solidify my understanding of the unredeemable qualities of the capitalist system , and reinforce my resolve to speak to its evils until my dying breath.

I've also decided that I am going to pursue my true calling as a writer and theoretician without regard for cash value. I'm done with the market system as a whole and if this means I have to accept a more ascetic lifestyle then so be it.

(And before those of you of a more primitive disposition would label me a "labor aristocrat", my working class credits are irrefutable. My dad works in a blue collar union and my mom comes from nothing. I tried to claw my way out of the abyss and picked the best option that was available to me in this ruthless sytem )

 No.1699547

>>1699544
The CEO even said to me "I feel bad, I don't want to do it"
Then don't do it you spineless coward!

 No.1699672

>>1699547
sorry anon, its really a fucked up world out there.
hope you can find some satisfaction with whatever you decide to do.

 No.1699674

>>1699430
ki tried drink, the only thing it helped was to maybe build a bit of confidence to put ideas down, but it didn't work and I dont recommend it. nothing I wrote drunk was good.

 No.1699846

>>1699544
>I've also decided that I am going to pursue my true calling as a writer and theoretician without regard for cash value. I'm done with the market system as a whole and if this means I have to accept a more ascetic lifestyle then so be it.
anon, i'm all for this, but to be a voice of moderation, it might also be poor idea to make rash decisions immediately after something traumatic like this happens to you. maybe sit on this for a few days and then reassess

 No.1700037

I'm about to finish a BA and I'm thinking of learning a few graphic design programs and trying to do some work in that field on some kind of freelance sort of basis. Is this still viable or has AI fucked my chances of doing this?

 No.1700042

>>1700037
you are basically fucked and doomed to the lumpenproletariat

 No.1700190

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CS bros, I'm asking for your advice. I want to stop being poor ASAP so I can provide for my family (progressively worsening health issues) and, hopefully, simultaneously start a family of my own. To accomplish it all, I need to get into a higher paying job within the next year or two (around $50k or higher, or about 125 to 130% of the minimum wage here) and in about 5 to 6 years from now, I would need a salary approaching or exceeding six figures (or rather the equivalent thereof, for my area's future cost of living). Computer science is where the big bucks are and, for better or worse, I currently live around a major tech hub. However I'm pretty behind in math, approaching tech without preexisting IT knowledge/skills of any significance (I do data collection/entry and some tech-y odd jobs but any idiot with a computer could do them), and do not (currently) have a passion for the field. I'd essentially be starting from scratch while working full-time.

Do you think it's advisable for me to pursue IT? If not, what else do you suggest? Physically demanding jobs like Alaskan crab fishing aren't an option, unfortunately.
My current plan is to get a CompTIA A+ certificate, and possibly Network+, Security+, and/or CCNA certificates as quickly as possible and try to use that to break into a job that pays over $50k.

From there, my next steps are to catch up on math, rack up cheap, easy college credits online, and then transfer into Western Governors University (self-paced, regionally accredited, non-profit, online school) and graduate with a Bachelor's in computer science. Hopefully I could keep job-hopping for better pay or get internships with equivalent pay while I work through the curriculum. It's not hard math, but between working 40 hours a week and dedicating about 20 hours weekly to IT studies, if I worked like a dog, I think I could get the degree around summer 2029 give or take. And soon after that, I'd hopefully land a six figure salary to support two or three dependents. One downside of the online school is you don't get a real GPA, any passing score is automatically a 3.0 and cannot be changed, so I can't put that on a resume or be recruited for an internship from a college campus. Anyway.

Is this a realistic game plan in terms of financial and academic expectations? I think I'm a fairly bright person but I've spent most of my life cultivating a humanities-oriented intelligence rather than a STEM one, never really learned study skills, and I lack self-discipline. Feedback, insight, suggestions, anything you have to say, I will sincerely appreciate it. Thanks for reading.

 No.1702876

>>1700190
first of all, im pretty sure WGU offers classes which correspond to certifications so if you're thinking of going this route you may as well try and get in to a school like that right away. Do the certs concurrently with the degree as the subject matter overlaps.

First off you have to decide whether you are going into IT operations or software development. Computer Science and Software Engineering degrees are for programming development. Information Technology and related are for IT operations. People with a CS degree can also do operations but typically dev is the default path. Since you mentioned certs you may be interested in operations rather than dev. Certs are worthless for programmers and are more for IT ops knowledge.

WGU and similar schools actually have pretty gimped math requirements compared with alot of places where CS is combined with the electrical engineering or math department and a CS degree is essentially engineering-lite or applied math-lite.

If you can't hack the math i.e. calculus then go for the IT degree over comp sci, as it typically requires less math, usually algebra and very basic stats, something anyone with a high school education can do if motivated. I've heard that WGU also has a cloud computing degree however this is a little more newfangled and employers may not recognize it on a resume while an IT or CS degree is a fairly known quantity.

>I lack self-discipline

this is your biggest problem as getting a technical degree is tough under the best of circumstances as a full time student, not to mention you are working full time. You need to master time management if you're actually gonna pull this off, i.e. severely limit shitposting, video games, tv etc. to like half an hour a day max. You certainly can do this but only with improving your mental focus and self discipline.

>break into a job that pays over $50k.

>if I worked like a dog, I think I could get the degree around summer 2029 give or take. And soon after that, I'd hopefully land a six figure salary to support two or three dependents.

Now for the pay. Getting over $50k is realistic. However getting a >100k per year job right after graduation is not unless you live in an extremely high COL area like san fransisco/palo alto, nyc, etc. Usually people start somewhere between 60k-90k right out of college, and it usually takes them 2-5 years to build up enough experience to be making 100k+. If you somehow get an IT job while also doing college and therefore have like 3-4 years of experience with a degree then maybe this is realistic. Reddit is full of stories of le bootcamp grad getting 300k at google easy but these are the extreme extreme exception not the rule, same as the average university dropout doesn't become a billionaire like gates or zuck.

Keep in mind the tech industry is in a recession right now and there are hundreds of thousands of people with experience and degrees NOW who are out of work, so not exactly the best time to break in. However, it is still possible, you may need to apply your ass off though.

So TLDR yes you can do it but it wont be easy and you have to be mentally prepared for that going in.

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>>1699430
So it's been over a week but unfortunately I had a drink halfway through. Prior to that I was pretty productive. In my defense you'd be surprised how often I get people asking me to run beer tastings at my store, or asking repeatedly if I'm gonna have a beer with dinner. I know it's no excuse, but getting sober ain't easy.

That aside I'm going to try again as well as work on a consistent schedule. Big blocks to divide my time. Cutting down on video games and shitposting on here. Essentially trying to remove distractions until I'm so fucking bored that work seems entertaining. Wish me luck.

 No.1704921

My dysfunctional ass let 3 days worth of tasks pile up and now I'm overwhelmed just thinking about it. My body decided it'd be a good idea to become insomniac a month ago too.

 No.1704922

I got a B.S. in Chemistry and wound up going to trade school to study massage therapy. Before I had a trade I always felt like i was begging for experience in job interviews. Now I feel confident in interviews and get thru them no problem. I make a respectable wage for the first time in my life. Now I know that I am a worker and a factory onto myself. Perhaps it is because I am so much closer to owning my means of production, my own two hands. I am not fooled I know there is more to it than this, but I also know I have way more power than I did before. Is this what all trades are like?

 No.1705396

I graduated at a vocational college for database programming/ web development and I still cant find a decent job for the career, even though I have experiences and github to prove it. And now my parents think I should join the military. Any tips? I just want to work at a 9-5 office job since I'm tired of working in deli.

 No.1705980

>>1705396
get certs and pivot to it ops. tech market is shit right now just turn to helpdesk for now

 No.1705997

>>1704125
Try meditation >>>/hobby/
>>1705396
Imma go out and say something rude, people from poorer backgrounds tend to have ugly looking CVs and focus on the wrong stuff. I hope your CV looks sharp as hell.

 No.1705998

>>1705997
wdym by ugly

 No.1706204

>>1705998
Like it's aesthetically unpleasant. Hard to read, etc.

 No.1707042

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I landed a cushy but not well-paying job that I don't think I'd be able to get under any other circumstances and I don't want to fuck it up but my mental retardation (ADHD) is making it hell and work keeps accumulating. I finally experienced that burnout that everyone talks about and spent a week just having panic attacks and trying to drag my ass to work.

Would a therapist or whatever help? Reading other people in similar situations and it doesn't seem like it… I feel like a fucking child and I'm a grown ass man.

 No.1707047

>>1707042
Are you on medication?

 No.1707051

>>1707047
Yeah, very recently diagnosed so I don't know how to cope, and started with a low dose that doesn't do much, not even appetite suppression.

 No.1707582

>>1707042
well besides trying to eat good, drink water, and sleep all I can say to you is that you have to embrace a sort of grim soldier-like attitude. Your job is your DUTY, not "just a job". I know this sounds like reactionary bootstraps bullshit but you can't get into your emotions or ego too much or you will snap. You have to become a numb robot who embraces death.

A ww2 era japanese military guy once said "duty is heavy like a mountain but death is light like a feather". As corny as this might sound that mantra helped me graduate college with a civil engineering degree. I rationalized working through the pain by saying that it was my duty to myself and to my parents who sacrificed so much to raise me that I get this degree.

 No.1707584

>>1706204
Holy shit lmao

 No.1709368

>>1707042
There's something about work with ADHD that makes me feel like a soulless husk. I mean, we're all leftists here, I know this is normal, but no matter what job I land, I always seem to struggle with putting in the effort after a few months. Surprisingly, each job I've had has been better than the previous one. My current job has numerous advantages, such as a salary higher than the average, the flexibility to work from home as much as I want, and a stress-free environment unlike my previous positions. I genuinely enjoy the work I do when I'm physically present. Not to mention, I am entitled to five weeks of paid vacation every year. The list of perks goes on and on… I had hoped that all these positives would motivate me, but unfortunately, they don't. When I work from home, I struggle to put in even two hours of work each day. Going to the office is a rare occurrence, happening maybe once a week, and that's the only day I manage to complete a full work day, and work is phasing out physical spaces to shift to full wfh.

 No.1710097

>>1709368
just do minimal effort to not get fired, thats what i do at my job.

 No.1710158

I need to get the fuck out of this deli job bros it fucking sucks ass.

I know I should go back to school (did two years of community college and complete general studies, but didn't continue due to covid) but I have no idea what to do.

 No.1710165

>>1710158
if you cant or dont want to do community college then try and get a trade apprenticeship like HVAC, electrician, plumbing, etc. Eventually you can work your way up to being a master tradesman petit bourg piece of shit who does basically no work and make your employees do all the jobs and you will be rich.

associates degrees are generally wastes unless for something very specific even entry level IT requires bachelors degrees now.

 No.1710972

You know the study that showed that Asian names on resumes in Canada have AT LEAST a 20% less chance to get a callback (https://www.huffpost.com/entry/asian-names-less-likely-to-get-job-anglo_n_5890bfa2e4b0c90eff00529a)? The wild part is that it only covers the initial resume and callback. If we take into account the prejudice that could exist at each of the many stages of the hiring process, the disadvantages could compound and end up being absolutely massive at the end, like the real disadvantage could leave minorities at a tiny fraction of the chance of being hired overall compared to white people with the same qualifications. There's also the implicit understanding that many professions, especially the trades, are completely off limits to anyone but white men, in that anyone else would endure not only discrimination in hiring, but brutal bullying that eventually pushes them out. How the fuck is it actually possible to navigate this? Just move away if possible?

 No.1710974

>>1710972
Also, are there any career paths in the West that at the very least aren't as bad with regards to this?

 No.1710988

>>1710974
No, racism is part of life. Maybe focus on hard skill jobs like engineering, medicine, etc.

 No.1721527

employment is a cult. they tell you that you need a job to overcome the sin of unemployment so that you can work for some rich asshole's benefit and collect sacred items called dollars in order to buy happiness. classic cult scam technique

 No.1721579

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got laid off today lol. first job that didnt make me completely miserable and i lost it

 No.1746503

>>1721579
sorry to hear

 No.1746506

>>1710972
I worked the front desk at a grocery store for a few years. Probably around half of the applications/resumes we received were from South Asian people, but not a single one worked at the store.

 No.1753619

Bros the company Im at is going to shit and Im pretty sure Ill be laidoff soon. I got bills to pay, what do I do? Just start hopelessly applying?

 No.1753624

>>1753619
>I'm about to lose my job, do I look for new job?
Is there another option? I guess either don't get laid off or get a new job.

 No.1753626

>>1753619
Do you have a resume? Working on that wouldn't be a bad idea.

 No.1753629

>>1710972
>>1746506
I should change my last name to a white one. I never got callbacks from grocery stores either.

 No.1753653

>>1753626
>>1753624
I have a resume but everyone is saying the economy is shit right now and jobs arent easy to come by. I dont have many savings so I doubt Ill be able to get a job soon. Should I put the name of the current company if Im still working there, I dont want them to find out Im searching already or theyll lay me off faster

 No.1753661

>>1753653
Without knowing what country or state you work in it's hard to give concrete advice, but you should be able to list your current employer while also directing whoever you're applying to not to contact them.

Honestly starting a job search now is better than later. There's still a lot of impending fallout from that crypto bank failure, shipping disruptions from the Red Sea, and the fed not giving out free money any more. Thousands of jobs have already been cut in the IT sector, and that's bound to have ripple effects.

It also wouldn't be bad to see what kind of unemployment insurance you're entitled to. If you're let go because your employer folds you should be entitled to something. Also be sure to cover your ass and try to follow the rules to the letter so they can't fire you and claim it's for being late or some bullshit like that to try and ratfuck you out of what you're owed.

 No.1753665

why the fuck is there a tech recession?

the golden age of tech is over and while tech companies are as profitable as ever they are laying people off and benefits/salary is getting cut. Its 2024 and tech LAYOFFS from late 2022 are STILL going on.

The market for it/software people is getting flooded and new grads have it harder than ever before.

When the fuck will this turn around if ever?

 No.1753667

>>1753665
Tech was being propped up by years of zero cost Federal Reserve loans basically obviating the need to generate a profit. Invest, expand, pay dividends to financers, and worry about profits later. Well, now it's later and they've got to try and squeeze profit out of these unprofitable business models they're married to. That's also why you're seeing netflix and shit putting ads in their services, cracking down on password sharing, etc.

 No.1753685

Interviewed for an IT internship with a nearby school district. (the interview was organized by my school) Hope I get it, I do not enjoy being a hikki when I'm not in class.

 No.1753688

>>1753685
Good luck!

 No.1753694

What job can I do with a degree in chemistry and a minor in business. I don't want to do a PhD.

 No.1753726

>>1753694
lab tech job or research assistant

 No.1753730

>>1753694
>>1753726
could also work as a chemistry teacher in high school/middle school, or like in an engineering-adjacent role at petroleum or chemical companies.

 No.1753733

>>1753685
bon chance

 No.1753736

>get a job as a security guard
>just have to sit in a room for 8 hours and call dispatch if any of the lights on the fire panel turn red
>get to spend 8 hours reading or posting on leftypol or playing on my phone

I love my new job.

 No.1753785

>>1532795
Careerism is false consciousness. A job is a job is a job. Your career, as a communist, should be in organizing the people.

>>1533266
>>1532803
>because there's only so many dev jobs to go around and there's a surplus of people educated to be devs because they jumped on the goldrush bandwagon of "learn to code bro" over the last 10 years. So some of those people are just gonna have to get sacrificed to mammon. liberal aspirationalism tells you that if you just check all the right boxes and do the right things and act as a civil, chivalrous, polite little court jester for the ruling class, you're gonna make it. But the truth is there's only so many of that kind of person needed. Unless you win a contest of asskissing in a sea of asskissers, you get kicked back out onto the "job market" for having the bad luck of following the market trends 0.1 seconds too late.
It is true that there was a fad that promoted the idea that everyone should "learn to code." I remember being exposed to similar propaganda when I was a teenager. One of the incredible arguments from the likes of Obama, Zuckerberg, Jack, etc., was that learning to code would become equally as important as learning to read. Such arguments were absolutely ridiculous and it is a shame that so many people fell for them, but also, can you blame people for wanting to believe that a career in software development or another computer science related field could be the path to a stable life, a white picket fence, etc? In my time studying Computer Information Systems (which at my university was an umbrella kind of program that covered all of the computing sciences), I had discovered that many of the people there were the sort who might have otherwise tried becoming doctors or lawyers had they been born 2 or 3 decades before. We should not be inclined to blame the victims for their own oppression.
>But the truth is there's only so many of that kind of person needed.
The highly "competitive" nature of the labor market in general, and specifically this sector of the labor market, is less informed by the socially necessary number of workers required to fill positions and more to do with the rate of profitability. Capital maintains a reserve army of labor – a reserve army of the unemployed – by way of intentionally creating scarcity of jobs. This is, of course in the case of compsci, greatly exacerbated by the problem of software engineers (or what have you) being leveraged in such a capacity where their labor activity creates the conditions whereby they become unemployable due to themselves becoming deskilled as a result of "advances" or "innovations" in "technology" or "workplace processes." The advance of technology cannot be separated from production, it is in-fact contingent on production, as technology is a necessary factor of production, and its development is contingent on factors of production, which is motivated by the desire to increase acquisition of surplus value (profit). See podcast from the Socialist Program: https://soundcloud.com/thesocialistprogram/ai-plus-capitalism-a-recipe-for-mass-unemployment
>>1540480
>>1540487
>>1539039
CS Employers do not give a fuck about personal projects unless you invent a new JS framework. They don't fucking care about your minecraft mods, or your spigot plugins, or your web scrapers… Almost always they don't give a fuck. If they ask to look at your portfolio, they'll dismiss it unless you wrote everything with the most corporate style architecture, and even then they won't give a fuck because there is always someone with more experience than you that they will hire.
>>1559917
Certs (except maybe A+) do not matter unless the company is paying you to get them.
>>1595817
>>1595834
>>1596145
Entry Level SWE does not exist for the same reason that Walmart deliberately does not hire enough cashiers. They want to get the most for the least amount of money.

>>1615036
Honestly, you will find more enjoyment from becoming a substitute teacher. A lot of schools are in desperate need of teachers and subs, and the work is ready steady. It is also a great organizing option, since in many districts substitutes/aides are not in the teacher's union, which is a contradiction that has the potential for a labor organizing campaign. See LA County schools

 No.1753795

>>1753665
>When the fuck will this turn around if ever?
It's not, unironically silicon valley has fallen. Billions must code.

 No.1753836

Im considering a degree in information science or data analytics even, is it even worth it? Techies are all getting laid off

 No.1753864

>>1753836
Any degree is going to be a gamble tbh. I guess I'd still say it's better to have it than not at this point but it's not the job guarantee that it used to be.

 No.1756450

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If i'm trying to get a shitty catering job or whatever should I dumb down my resume and remove any over-qualifications? will they actually check references? how blatantly should I lie? I've given up on not lying on my resume but how far should i push it for the types of jobs where 80% of your coworkers are addicted to meth?

 No.1762173

>>1756450
why not get into a job with a career advancement prospect anon?

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 No.1762385

Applied for a bin man job for the council. Wish me luck bruvs

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 No.1762391

>>1762173
Most people can't in the modern economy, education inflation, experience inflation, migrants, necessity to find the candidate most willing to take the lowest wages without question, please understand.

 No.1762430

>>1762391
what about trade skills? surely becoming an electrician apprentice is better than getting a random job?

 No.1764343

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>>1753736
>security guard
>do practically nothing
>leftypol and phone
same here anon, although I take night shifts which are 12 hours

 No.1764362

>>1764343
Did you have previous security guard experience before you got this job?

 No.1764368

>>1764362
No, they practically take anyone in here where Im at in my country, because they don't have enough people in this field (most of them are exmilitary pensioners, less so students).
And that's also why they initially also made me take a ton of extra shifts instead of working 2-2 (2 on 2 days off).
Although now its way more manageable and I get twice the pay I had at first (9 months in).

 No.1764374

>>1764368
Another thing I should note is that I'm unarmed security.
Armed security guards are the true rent a pig.
We here don't do shit, theres alarms and sensors that detect a break in after lockdown which automatically send a signal for a patrol car to come.

 No.1764375

>>1753736
nobody checks on you? you don't even have to pretend to be vigilant?

 No.1764380

>>1764375
Theres a camera at the post where I'm sitting above me on the corner of the wall, but whoever's watching never gives a shit either.
And very rarely a 'control' patrol car inspector will come, say hi, give his signature in a little book we have and then fuck off to elsewhere.
I don't sleep (mostly insomnia) though I've had colleagues who just come, sleep and then wake up and go home by the end of the shift (as for that it was on a different place than the current one where Im alone all night).
We also have radio controls every few hours where we just say our number and say normal.
That sort of sums it up.

 No.1764381

>>1764380
damn. sounds comfy. good for you anon

 No.1768038

Got a new job. Out of work 3 weeks. Pays jack shit and I'm looking for something else. 1st fucking day they want me to bring shit for a pot luck. What in the great white fuck is this shit? None of us are even starting at $15/hr. Bout to brain myself. I cant deal with this "wur a family" shit every job wants to force on you. Fuck your job and your family. Porky must be outta his damn mind

 No.1768085

>>1768038
Every corpo is a cult fixated on "corporate culture" because of HR departments getting too powerful. Just be paranoid and never think of them as true friends and youll be in the correct mindset about them.

 No.1776956

>>1753685
Got it, they've been training me since last week and I kinda took some calls today. I got my A+ at the end of 2022, anyone got a good tech support pdf to share? I want to have the basics internalized so solutions develop in my head faster when I'm on the phone with a caller.

 No.1776986

Failing my studies again, despite having been a good high school student. Late twenties. No work experience apart from dead-end shit jobs. Parents getting older. 25k in debt in an high-interest rate climate. It's unironically over now.

 No.1779955

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>be me
>20 year old uni drop out
>apply to a paintball center thing
>no certifications or education needed. just don't be a convicted felon or significantly retarded basically
>they have a phone interview (I've never heard of a phone interview for non-skilled blue collar service industry work except maybe during the height of covid)
>at the end of the brief 5 minute interview they mention ANOTHER phone interview should they take interest in me
>never hear back from them again

I feel like this has to be some tax thing. some sort of "look we are hiring people!" scam but its just the owners family and friends who work there.

 No.1779960

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>>1768038
>bring unseasoned white rice
>not even salt or pepper used
>if they give you shit just say you're poor

 No.1782428

After years of NEETdom, got a decently cushy job as a teacher, making about 55k in a not particularly high COL area. That said, I want to start making a difference politically but no groups are around me except Democratic party crap. I'm trying to get a foothold in my union, which is awful with leadership full of Trump fans, but I didn't have enough support to win an election this year. They decided to hold elections literally one week after I started and no one knew who I was. Any politically active comrades in here with suggestions of what to do in the meantime while I bide my time for next year's eleciton?

 No.1787080

This thread is pretty slow considering how getting and having employment is like the key factor of adult life under capitalism.

 No.1787110

>>1753785
>CS Employers do not give a fuck about personal projects unless you invent a new JS framework. They don't fucking care about your minecraft mods, or your spigot plugins, or your web scrapers… Almost always they don't give a fuck. If they ask to look at your portfolio, they'll dismiss it unless you wrote everything with the most corporate style architecture, and even then they won't give a fuck because there is always someone with more experience than you that they will hire.

You are a retarded person, this is the worst advice you could possibly give. I'll expand on this later but in short, no one has ever been this wrong on this website before

 No.1787113

>>1779955
>but its just the owners family and friends who work there.
Yea before I even hot to this sentence I was gonna say that kind of small business it's usually about who you know.

 No.1787115

>>1787080
>This thread is pretty slow considering how getting and having employment is like the key factor of adult life under capitalism.
Probably in part to do with it being on a politics forum not a life help forum.

 No.1787592

>>1787115
I was actually looking for this thread a couple weeks ago cause I'm looking into getting out of tech.

 No.1787595

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>>1787592
> I'm looking into getting out of tech.
Learn2farm bro.

>With coding taken care of by AI, humans can instead focus on more valuable expertise like biology, education, manufacturing, or farming, reasoned the Nvidia head.

 No.1787607

>almost no storytimes
booooring!

 No.1787617

>>1787595
Farming is increasingly becoming automated too.

 No.1787619

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>>1710097
mfw i dont even do the minimal work
mfw if my manager wasn't chill and actually paid more attention to me id be fired years ago
mfw i panic every time they're on leave because i barely know how to do my job
mfw i found out i can steal gourmet treats from the exec meeting rooms due to a camera blindspot

I've literally gone to protests on company time.

 No.1787624

>>1764380
>Theres a camera at the post where I'm sitting above me on the corner of the wall, but whoever's watching never gives a shit either.
Have you met them? Sounds like a smart thing to do.

 No.1787670

>>1787624
Security guard (night) anon here
>Have you met them? Sounds like a smart thing to do.
You can't know who's watching and if they're even watching at all. They are connected from the control centres, but that is not their only job.
And you can't just ask your boss to introduce you to the people working in the control centres so you can become their buddy, because it is out of your job duty.
And why tf would I bother? My 'work' is next to nothing and I have had no issues with whoever is monitoring me.

 No.1787691

>>1787670
>Security guard (night) anon here

Sweet, me too

 No.1787714

>>1787592
>getting out of tech.
why? every other job is worse anyway

 No.1791606

>>1787670
>>1764380
I very much doubt anyone is actually watching them anon, could he wrong idk your workplace
but they probably use them if an alarm goes off or if anythings called in.

 No.1802012

So I spent my early twenties crashing in and out of academia due to various family issues, mental problems, neetdom and financial issues etc, however in my late twenties I pulled through, I went back to school and graduated with a good stem degree.

However I am quite concerned with my cv that features these multi year gaps in my early twenties were I alternated between studying something else or neetdom.

What's the best way to lie about them? I taught myself a few foreign languages on my own to fluency what I should have recognized as my true passion earlier maybe. Should I just make up a story about how I lived abroad during these years or how to go about this?

 No.1802651

>>1802012
Nobody cares about resume gaps if they want to hire you. "Resume gaps" is only an excuse they give if they didn't want to hire you anyway.

 No.1807994

Fuck bros I might get laid off tomorrow. Im a nervous wreck right now. The ceo sent an e-mail saying they want to review the timesheets I submitted. They might be trying to stiff me and lay me off. Fuck man I have bills to pay, this is a horrible time.

I was working as a contractor and pretty sure they misclassified me since they were the ones assigning me work. If I get laid off I wont be eligible for unemployment as a contractor, so I'm going to go file with the DOL that I was misclassified so I can get unemployment and the backwages they owe me if they try to stiff me.

What are the do's and don'ts for my meeting tomorrow, they're going to want to question the hours I turned in and grill me. Should I give them specific details, or deflect?

 No.1808748

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Should I commit suicide? Better put, should I fucking =ROPE!?

I'm almost thirty, a virgin with no friends and am going to graduate in two semesters with a degree in computer science from a shitty state university. I spent the vast majority of my degree (which will have taken me almost SEVEN years to complete come graduation, not including the time I spent farting around with a different major) depressed and floating around in shitty service sector jobs when I wasn't attending classes.

I wasn't raised right in a lot of ways and have struggled with my mental health since I was a child and have barely figured out how to socialize or even display basic manners until I was 26 and feel completely and utterly unprepared for adult life. I've worked full time on and off at my jobs (mostly during COVID when I took almost two years off from school) but have always struggled even at those jobs.

I literally just don't even know how in the fuck I'm going to manage to get hired anywhere being that I have no internships and have had shitty grades from fucking around on the internet too much and feeling either depressed, actively suicidal or some other variety of fucked in the head. I possibly have autism so I don't really interview that well and only have my current job because they didn't interview me and just needed a warm body with some work experience.

I'm not fucking kidding, the walls are closing in and my dad (who is poor) can't really support me much longer. My younger brother is a NEET and my older brother is a weirdo narcissist who saves up all his money from working IT so that he can play NEET for months on end on my parents dime and I feel incredibly trapped. All of my issues have been compounding and I'm almost thirty and I don't even know how I'm going to support myself.

Killing myself genuinely seems like the only reasonable option these days. I'm tired.

 No.1808750

>>1808748
I'm sorry anon. I advise you to at least try and get a job before doing anything like that, it might not be as hard as you think. You don't really have to interview that well if you're in IT and wiling to take a job without great pay. Even if you can't get an IT job there's infinite jobs in retail to tide you over a while.

Have you ever tried getting assessed for ADHD? It seems like you struggle to stick with things.

 No.1808786

>>1808750
2nd on the ADHD diagnosis. At the very least, you could fake it if you think don't have it and get some sweet stims to boost productivity and ward off the depression.

 No.1808787

>>1802012
Just lie and say you were running a small business - I've done this several times and it's difficult to check if you're lying.

 No.1808789

>>1663378
>med school
>Canada
Congrats, you won the fucking lottery. Are you insane? None of your complaints are valid now.

t. another Canadian med student

 No.1808939

>>1808748
<nobody's my life's so bad I could afford to go to university, I could afford to stay for 7 years and I live with my parents!!!
<its over should I kill myself?
Yes but for being a privileged cunt laying in misery of your own making because you've decided that you're not privileged enough despite more so than the vast majority of us will ever be.
All the benefits in the world, still cries and acts hard done by…
Fuck I hate you.

 No.1808940

>>1808939
Fuck off man, everyone has their own struggles.

 No.1808942

>>1808748
You are healthy, you are going to have a degree in an in-demand field, you have no other responsibilities. You are just one internship/entry-level away from a cushy middle class existence. Take the chill pill dude and maybe talk to a therapist or counselor.

 No.1808948

>>1808940
And the struggles of wallowing middle class hofh educated failsons for not getting their prestige 2% job is worth mocking..
Boo hoo he'll have to get a normal job and pay rent what a world ender….. ffs.

 No.1809027

>>1808948
I know you're an American and thus incapable of understanding anything but many countries in the world have severely reduced or even free tuition for university.

Hell even Argentina had free university until quite recently. Higher education is by no means a sign of privilege because there are many poor countries where the government will find you.

 No.1809028

>>1809027
*fund not find
stupid autocorrect

 No.1809107

>>1808787
This, I was out of work for half a year after a layoff. I put it down as independent contracting with some fake but believable projects tailored to whatever job I'm applying to.

>>1807994
How did it go anon?

>>1808748
Stop catastrophizing you're in your 20s for fucks sake. You have a CS degree. Nobody gives a shit about your grades don't list your GPA. If you can actually program you will find a developer position eventually. It will be a lot of work applying and interviewing. If you can't, I still have good news. Your degree will also open doors for an IT career, which is generally easier to get into and more stable. Instead of whining on image boards you should be writing cover letters and making connections with your peers. I hate that your post reminded me I was like this right before I graduated. Wahhhhh I'm weird because I chose to spend all my time online, I didn't have sex in college, my life is over. Get over it and live your life.

 No.1809109

Chankie-Doodle-Doo!

 No.1809121

>>1809027
We have free tuition in America. You just have to have high autism score

 No.1809122

>>1809121
based word filter

 No.1809941

Having a bit of a mental crisis right now because I decided to choose a stem degree. I like science and I like maths but I am actually living in a country that has a few cool economics and politics departments that aren't completely neoliberalized. Been reading course decriptions and requirements of master programs for the past 2 hours, as well as biographies of research assistents working there, imagining how my life would have been different. On the other hand I can't see myself just writing essays and papers all day that no one will read and not building shit. Thinking of pivoting to Data analytics/engineering/econometrics or something related at least. No idea what to do.

 No.1810487

>>1808748
Hey anon if you're still alive, I strongly suggest taking the ayahuasca before you consider ending it all. You seem stressed, therefore this might just solve most of your problems. If you don't believe this, then it won't hurt doing your own research about the properties of the ayahuasca or just doing it anyway since you have got nothing to lose and everything to gain.

 No.1822521

I'm a habitual bohemian/socialite/homeless vagrant/busker but I have a GF I love now and need to get my shit together and get a job, any job

how easy is it to mass apply and get something like hotel cleaning? Not going to do Amazon again

 No.1822526

>>1822521
Do you have a criminal record?

 No.1822538

>>1822526
nope, no criminal record

 No.1825757

Everyone at work got a measly 2% raise and a tiny bonus today and they are PISSED. Straight up stopped working for most of the day. You already know I'm taking this opportunity to agitate for a union

 No.1825772

>>1825757
Strike the iron while it's hote. Make those 2% 12%. I am sure the company made record profits this year.

 No.1825835

>>1809107
Well an update, they cut my hours to below minimum wage levels. I wont be able to make rent and barely am able to feed myself now with the amount they cut me. Ceo gave some sob story about how business was bad, meanwhile I can see on their sheets they make 80k a day and still arent doing that bad. They were on call questioning how long it takes to do the work on the timecards I was submitting.

They'll probably lay me off outright soon enough. Just feels humiliating to be tossed scraps. I dont know how people put up with this shit. Im looking for work but chances are slim Ill find anything in this economy. It took me 7-8 years to find a job the first time after the recession so I have no hope.

 No.1825840

>>1825835
>they cut my hours to below minimum wage levels
Absolutely vile. They do this to make you quit because you might file for misclassification and cost them. I hope your DOL complaint goes through and you can find something soon anon. What type of work do you do?

 No.1825846

>>1825840
Yeah they put me in a bind because I need the scraps theyre tossing me too. But if I wait too long, I wont have enough income to make as much in unemployment as I think it goes only off the previous year.

Yeah theyre probably hoping I quit and dont file the claim. When they lay me off I intend to file anyways, fuck em. I recorded the boss on the phone saying he considers me an employee.

 No.1836415

>>1822538
its easy to get a job, its hard to get a good job

 No.1836417

>>1808748
>going to graduate in two semesters with a degree in computer science from a shitty state university
bruh this already puts you above like 60% of US jobseekers

 No.1842858

https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions/comments/1ce35jn/graduates_moving_to_non_cs_jobs/

tons of reddit CS grads unable to get dev jobs or even IT, and are now working as line cooks etc.

 No.1842860

>>1596188
>Yeah I can see why they won’t hire. If much of the work being pushed out is that unsubstantial it’s reasonable to guess most employers aren’t taking getting new staff entirely seriously and are prone to giving job seekers unrelated chores to do to compensate so they don’t have their employees doing work they never needed or will ever used
you would think that but somehow there is always an unlimited supply of manual processes in any business to automate even 90% of what analysts do people clicking buttons and making excel spreadsheets could easily be automated by a script or two.

 No.1843002

what career should i pursue as a german transsexual? i am scared people will be mean to me.

 No.1843006

>>1843002
Embedded systems engineer at a supplier for the car or energy industry.

 No.1843037

>>1842858
I mean this was evident. The push to "just learn to code bro" was obviously sponsored by tech bourg to flood the job market with cs graduates - they were too expensive beforehand.

Talking about that, anybody got any experience getting DBA certs? wanna get into databases.

 No.1843046


 No.1843060

>>1843037
all it ended up doing is most tech jobs increasing the requisites to apply here

 No.1843062

is the aws test worth it? i dont want some random burger or indian or whatever having to look at my face and room for an entire hour

 No.1843076

>>1843046
Good video anon. Yeah data roles seem to be the black sheep of tech imo.

>>1843060
It created a reserve army of labor for a particular skill, the effects cannot be ignored for long.

 No.1843161

>>1843062
>is the aws test worth it?
As a developer? For sure. Management doesn't want to hire a dedicated devops engineer because they cost more money, so they'll expect the dev team to be responsible for devops. As someone that is part of the hiring process and read resumes, we'll try to find someone who has experience with cloudops and seeing a cert on their resume helps. I'm not expecting them to be an expert whatsoever, but they should at least know the very basics.
Imagine you have to read through hundreds of resumes to fill an entry level software engineering position and they are all nearly identical because they all went to the same school where they all did the same projects. The only things that set you apart are personal projects you worked on and your knowledge, focusing on either of these two things will really set you apart from everyone else.

 No.1843182

>>1843161
i know almost nobody cares about free certs but what about paid certs that dont come from the big boys in tech?

 No.1843205

>>1843182
Just get the big boy certs. There's no valid reason to go for some second rate ones particularly if you're gonna pay money for them.

 No.1855806

>>1843037 (Me)
>wanna get into databases
So apparently I've been 'educating myself' and it seems pursuing a data career involves hours upon hours of meetings with management, money"people" and some porklets so I'm saying fuck that gay shit lol.

Anybody here has some SYSADMIN experience?

 No.1855860

>>1843182
There are literally only a few certs that are actually "worth it" in tech ops:

Red Hat * (Legacy) RHCSA. RHCE
Cisco * (legacy), CCST, CCNA, CCNP, CCIE
AWS, Azure, and GCP
Linux Foundation/Kubernetes i.e. CKA, CKAD, CKS and MAYBE LFCS if you can't swing the RHCSA for whatever reason.

thats it. thats literally it. the only other one that even comes up sometimes is the terraform cert but that requires cloud knowledge to do anyway so maybe just pick it up after cloud really quick since its an easy cert. Or Security+ for the aforementioned glow in the dark jobs which you probably cant get due to being a commie anyway.

 No.1855861

>>1855806
do you have any IT experience at all or are you coming from a totally unrelated job/career?

 No.1855868

>>1855859
>Breaking in as a junior would be tough but ofc not impossible.
From what I've read, Data Analyst would be the entry point for such a career turn but I don't know…

>>1855861
Around 8 years give or take, most of it spent on "stable" posts filling IT / tech support roles, and some codemonkey stuff too. Nothing too fancy since I just have an undergrad third-world degree on "Informatics".

My current job is at a smallish shop so I'm filling for a lot of tech roles as expected; the SQL / reports part is by far the most fun for me nowadays which is why I initially was considering further specializing in the data side of things.

I'm having second thoughts ofc because it appears the "surest" path towards the more technical side of data is through becoming a Data Analyst as an entry level job; this would incur a LOT of socializing with pseudo-human business "people" so I'm getting cold feet now lol.

But yeah, I'm considering that maybe a sysadmin role would be a better suit for an autistic introvert like me. Still undecided.

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>>1855868
Research your country's job market and see what linux certs they ask for. In North America this is likely Red hat maybe Linux+ in some cases, in other places probably LPIC, but please do your research on your local job market.

Basically just get one of these and start applying for sysadmin jobs on the basis of that. Try to take on more sysadmin responsibilities at your small shop and market it on your resume as a "sysadmin" position.

That's basically it.

 No.1856293

>>1855868
>>1856289
you could go the windows sysadmin role but its alot more work since they seem to not trust windows admins that much and require a ton more certs.

Microsoft Certified: Windows Server Hybrid Administrator Associate
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/credentials/certifications/windows-server-hybrid-administrator/

-AND/OR-

CompTIA Server+
https://www.comptia.org/certifications/server

Some sort of network cert like Network+, CCST-Networking, CCNA(possibly overkill).

And some experience with virtualization, which does have certs but they are way too fucking expensive, let alone for a thirdoid. Maybe just read VMware documentation instead.

 No.1856636

>>1856289
>>1856293
I did a quick search and it's a LOT of Microsoft lol.
Guess I'll have to device a way to get the cert(s) and some cheapo vmware thing on the side if possible too.

 No.1856656

>A hurr hurr if you dont like your job quit
<Quit a job basically on the spot
>Told my interviewers i put in notice
>Turned down for like the 4th time now
Wtf is the point of America if you need money to live but people wont even give you a job

 No.1856659

>>1856656
>Turned down for like the 4th time now
Damn you're the Stalin of job application.

 No.1856662

>>1856656
Don't tell them you're out of work. You lose leverage, and they subconsciously wonder if you'll quit on them too.

 No.1856665

>>1856662
Lol. So just lie then right? I dont see what other option there is

 No.1856734

>>1856656
>>1856665
4 interviews aint shit. unless its 4 digits

 No.1856864

Generally allocate 2-6 months to find a job, and expect to go through 200 job applications before you get hired. Job market isn't what it was in 2022, where there was a labor shortage.

The US military is understaffed for enlisted jobs given the quality of the job market and selling your soul to the security state isn't a bad gig.

In general, expect to put in at least 60 hours a week for your job, even if you get less hours, and the gig economy (uber etc) is the new unemployment.

Yeah, capitalism sucks.

 No.1856868

>>1856864 me, cont

Also, seek to get a masters ASAP.
Bachelor's is the new high school diploma stateside and is just a minimal qualification. Masters costs money, though, in the vicinity of 40k for 2 years or more.

Basicallt, unless you graduated from an Ivy (Grandes Ecoles, Oxbridge, elite Germans) or a Tier 1.5 at best, you are in deep shit on a Bachelor's level. Even with a masters you are in trouble, and 6 digits stateside is just 1 SD above median income as median income is now around 70k due to inflation.

Also consider relocating to a lower cost locale if you can't get a decent job in your area.

 No.1856869

>>1856868 me cont

Everyone should learn to code just means literacy, i.e, Python, not C or C++ or god forbid, Haskell. You aren't going to be paid as a dev, but rather as someone who can do minor scripting tasks supporting your actual vocation; i.e, data science for your job or building a quick node webapp for your IT team to reimplement from the prototype.

Look for careers adjacent to IT if you're not top 16%.

 No.1857090

>>1856868
>Also, seek to get a masters ASAP.
NTA but I would add here that a technical masters is better in 99% of circumstances than an MBA or even engineering management/it management degree with the sole exceptions of high ranked elite i.e. stanford/harvard/etc. MBAs launching you into consulting, management, etc. gigs which pay $150k+ entry level. For burgers you can get an online degree from WGU or EdX/Coursera aligned universities for usually $10-$20k which is cheap as fuck for a masters.
>>1856869
i.e. coding will just be equivalent to basic literacy in the tech world.

 No.1860812

Recent college graduates unable to find jobs

 No.1860827

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WHY THE FUCK DOES EVERYTHING REQUIRE SO MUCH EXPERIENCE. I USED TO SEE EVERY JOB REQUIRING 3-5 YEARS EXP, NOW ITS MORE LIKE 8-10. LIKE EVERY YEAR THE AMOUNT OF EXPERIENCE REQUIRED GOES UP BY 1 YEAR TOO


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