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8th Edition: Failson squad assemble！edition.
Discuss anything on Southeast Asian politics. Coming 2024 Elections, open orgs, People that should be dead for different reasons running in Malaysia's elections or just random shit. There are still dozens of us… hopefully! South Asia and Oceania posters can come in to discuss their regional politics as well.
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>>1837459Southern pride be like
>>1839471It was NVA, and VC tactical victory, but it was also Amerikkka strategically victory.
>>1839482>we still wonKeep coping dennis prager. You still won the urine and feces award.
>>1839482>it was also Amerikkka strategically victory.In what sense? That Vietnam was a Soviet ally instead of a Chinese one? That the domino effect they obsessed over didn't come to fruition?
>>1839485Malacca strait the vital blood vessel of capitalism is still sucure.
>>1840226>>1840217This is a good thread for the most part.
So please fuck off with your attention seaking schizo /siberia/ tier ideas, shay, you worthless fascist in denial faggot.
Went to the same Labour Day rally as last year. The population is still disproportionately women and minorities. Hell some people, especially malay women, came wearing white and black keffiyeh. I personally feel like a bit out of place especially when I came alone. Perhaps if i had more courage and social skills, I could have talked to them about Palestine.
Significantly more people and especially media presence. Newspaper and radio station reporters were there getting interviews. What is weird is that small and obscure podcasters were there too, I am told one of them may be connected to the government…
The same advocacy groups from last year came too. What is interesting is a new one is here for sex workers. The person at the booth described themselves as essentially HR department for the sex workers, to provide protection and testing kits for them. What is odd is that for a group that believe that sex work is work (the person is literally wearing a button that says that verbatim in chinese), it is rather agnostic on the question whether to legalize and regulate it or to diminish and discourage it. I was like, surely if you believe that sex work is work then you have to advocate for its legalization, regulation and unionization as a permanent solution to their plight. We also discuss the nature of work and what is it for a while. Regardless, I personally found testimony of a sex worker and the type of her clients interesting.
Also there was a booth that who was against ISD (the law lets the government catch people without trial or judicial approval) and clearly the remnants of the Old Left. They even had a book cataloguing Barisan Sosialis statements and documents since its inspection. Too bad it was all in chinese and the books were taken up quickly. Also there was a kid that came to the booth claiming that these people were communists and deserved to lim kopi. He literally looked like a soyjak with a Jordan Peterson tier understanding of marxism. He claimed to read Das Kaptial and the Communist Manifesto and based his understanding of it on communism, when neither didn't really discussed what exactly socialism or communism would look like. I mocked his theoretical ignorance and got him to admit that Singapore is a social democracy, not a free market capitalism. But apparently social democracy is capitalism to him. At least he wasn't harassing the booth people anymore.
The speeches were the same as last year. Talking about labour issues and rights. They had a few malay woman talking about the need for welfare programs for the poor and homeless. One of them was homeless for a time. I wish they brought back more performances and speakers from last year to have some continuity. They even had a short skit about migrant workers, I thought it was cringe. Again the final speaker did tie everything up, bringing all of it back to class struggle.
Significantly more members of my succdem Workers Party this year. Even more MPs came too. They got interviews with the reporters and the organizers alike. Was good publicity for everyone involved. Even the disgraced MP came too, was wild to see him after the whole fiasco. The members that did came were much younger than the normal WP member, and one even volunteer for one of these orgs.
All in all, I walk away feeling more optimistic of the future of the Singapore Left. One of the organizers of this event told me he wants to see a socialist party for Singapore. And I do believe all the people who showed today will be the founding members of this socialist party. Even more is that big presence of WP members and MPs here shows that there is potential for Workers Party to be this socialist party. Or failing that, a split to form said socialist party (not unlike PAP/BS split). It can be done, but we all have to congregate and rally around WP and ensure it gets to form a government first.
>>1840304Don't you dare insult Shay's geological engineering proposals! When world DoTP is established, they will all be undertaken.
>>1840767>>1840304i wont argue here, but imagine 1 billion indonesians and all of the citizens of ASEAN being capable of simply buying a high speed train ticket and riding all the way to queensland or the northern territory of australia from singapore or thailand within the course of 12 hours or less. i don't know what riding a train is like but to me it sounds like an easy way to overcome australia's overly protective border policies.
>>1841190I am saying it is better to radicalize the current WP and if that fails (ie the socialists get purged or sidelined), we can use that as an impetus to make a socialist party. There is still many benefits to being in WP, learning how to run an electoral machine, how to write policy, do media and campaigning etc etc. There is a reason why other parties struggle to maintain its presence in the political landscape, let alone win any votes. Look at PSP as a counter example.
The organizers once told me he found WP to be too moderate to really change anything, but the point is that WP at its current state isn't the end goal, but a stepping stone to something more radical. If it has to fail, then it must be made to fail faster.
>>1845534Jokowi has already ousted himself as an opportunistic bastard that is power hungry as any fucker from subianto’s party. Most of his ideas for welfare came from the “gib me that” mindset of southeast asian electoral politics rather than anything close to a socialist or leftist inclined backbone. So subianto will begrudgingly have to continue that policy until the voting population forget about it. The next term would probably a milder version of a return to new order style economics which can be very easily come crashing down just as it did in 1997.
https://www.kompas.id/baca/english/2024/05/01/en-menelisik-janji-prabowo-gibran-untuk-kesejahteraan-buruhCurrently there’s no plan for increasing tax on the rich or anything of the sorts so this welfare would probably be funded by massive imf and chinese loans. New santara would probably be a disaster in the making with no one willing to fund it while jarkata sinks into the sea with no cure. The papua war would probably gets much much worse with even more atrocities with no one willing to cover it.
>>1842004True. I think WP participation would just be used to gage reaction and poach more radical elements at gatherings and other events. A steppingstone to build towards some actual change. Speaking of which are there even a left wing of PAP?
>>1849241>why? I thought they were US butt-buddy? Did China manage to win them over with money and better deals?It's a process but seemingly a forgone one at this point, with time and I think at this point even the americans know that.
>>1845567Gibs are the superior mode of politics and you will never convince me otherwise.
Free water filter gang gang! All anyone else has is depression.
>>1849241>why? I thought they were US butt-buddy? Did China manage to win them over with money and better deals?Only Conservative Boomers and gen x unironically like China since they were taught to hate amerikka despite amerikka saved them from communism yet keep sending their's offspring to study there, and keep complaining why their's offspring aren't conservative like them. Meanwhile, Amerikkka is villiianized among progressive liberal, centrist, and leftist. Younger thai people prefer scandinavian states, and canada for being SocDem welfare sates(and trying to not remember who invented welfare state, and it's true purpose). Moreover, they are huge weeb who really care what Japanese thought about their's country.
>>1849541that's why China won amerikkka on that chart.
>>1849241They've been friends since forever. Way back when China told the CPT to commit suicide then backed the Thai monarchy. That was 1970s. Nowadays after the US abandonned Thailand post 1997 Asian finnancial crisis most Thai weapons are bought from China.
>>1850600>Most Thai weapons are bought from China.This is the indicator i tend to look at too.
There were lots of joint deals the last year and the noise over Ream Naval Base in Cambodia have been quite telling, i think.
>>1849241>Vietnam being so much in favour of the USShame
>>1850663It was pretty good till 2014. Now it cratered. All over China can't stop their oil and gas cravings.
>>1850683The US is starting to flip out about the ongoing shakeup of the gov. They wouldn’t care if it didn’t mean a shift towards friendlier terms with China.
>>1858840What happened? Explain for english only speaking dummies like me
https://www.manilatimes.net/2024/06/03/news/marcos-meets-zelenskyy/1949734Lol is marcos trying to send guns to Ukraine? The pinoy gun industry is dogshit as it is lmao
>The Palace did not release details of the meeting, but it is expected that discussions will center on Ukraine's conflict with Russia, including Moscow's recent ground attack in the Kharkiv region.
>Joining Zelenskyy for the bilateral meeting are officials from Ukraine's Ministry of Defense, Chief Military Advisor, Foreign Policy Advisor, and Chief of Protocol and Charge d' affairs. They can hardly even make coast guards boats. And now marcos wanna send their trash to Ukraine. Pitiful. This either tell how desperate zelensky is to get fucking anything and the levels of delusion bonbong is on. Maybe both.
https://www.usnews.com/news/world/articles/2024-06-13/rights-groups-urge-thailand-not-to-extradite-vietnamese-activist-saying-hes-at-risk-if-sent-home>Human rights activist<Mastermind of a terrorist attack that killed 9 people>Y Quynh Bdap, who had United Nations refugee status in Thailand, was picked up by local police on Tuesday, the day after he had met with Canadian Embassy officials as he pursued asylum thereIt's always canada where these nazis go
God I fucking love western press
>>1890830This is almost exactly like when the CIA used a fake vaccination campaign to track Osama Bin Laden. Shit like this always helps me renew my faith that Uncle Sam needs to die, swiftly.
>>1890830I may be not fan of Prayuth Chanocha, but Pro-West Thai democratic movement(now MF Voters) were the one who spread all these anti-sinovac all accross all the social media platforms during the pandemic time.
https://tuoitrenews.vn/news/politics/20240619/history-of-vietnam-gives-inspiration-hope-to-israel-israeli-ambassador/80505.htmlGod this shit is so damn vomit inducing.
History of Vietnam gives inspiration, hope to Israel: Israeli ambassador>As a small country in the Middle East, surrounded by a harsh environment, Israel has to always defend its right to exist but the country has still thrived as a democratic and prosperous nation thanks to its efforts, Mayer told the ceremony.<democraticLol fuckin clown
>Israelis have found inspiration and great hope in Vietnam's history of struggle and victory over adversity in the past, the diplomat commented. What part of history are you learning from? The removal of the chams?!?!It's disgusting that faggots like this got the right to speak. And even worse that the government is letting them.
>>1894221Interesting to see Israel be inspired by Vietnam when Hamas's 7/10 is almost like the Tet Offensive in hindsight.
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