No.1829068
>>1829067There won't be any new good posters as long as the board is infested with liberal pieces of shit who are in desparate need of a struggle session.
No.1829071
>>1829062the birth strike is the litmus test on whether you are a real communist or not.
No.1829074
I dont need to prove anything to strangers online.
Call it revisionism, call it leftism, could be pancakeism for all i care
No.1829079
>>1829069well in that case i wonder what people would think if they realized that liberalism has already infested the board.
>>1829070>>1829071>>1829074not impressed with this display of liberalism
No.1829091
>>1829090revisionist detected thanks for playing
No.1829097
I'm a reformist. Not quite a socialist, but find socialist ideas and critiques of capitalism interesting which is why I keep coming back here (there is no middle-of-the-roader version of pol anyways, just leftist and rightist).
No.1829102
>>1829097we make a new pol
centerpol…
No.1829104
>>1829062>doesn't mention DengismI got news for you "comrade"
No.1829106
>>1829097i'm a neo-confederate communist who believes that the US electoral system is unreformable and deserves balkanization. nice to meet you.
>>1829104i would've mentioned dengism but dengism is a necessary form of revisionism until shachtmannism has been dealt with.
No.1829110
>>1829108i'm the only principled leftcom bordigist on the board considering i'm the only one going on an anti-revisionist crusade and want to clean up the site
No.1829111
>>1829108>Communism actually means everything badWhy are you people like this
No.1829112
>>1829062I believe in the dictatorship of the proletariat and I want to put all landlords and billionaires in gulags for life as the most humane option for them
No.1829120
>>1829106is this bait? i dont get it…
No.1829121
>>1829115As long as they suffer for the rest of their lives I don't care what it's called.
No.1829129
>>1829125no i was talking more about the confederate part. like sure if i was from the deep south i'd consider myself a confederate, but flying the flag of the northern virginian army is a bit weird
No.1829131
>>1829079Become a liberal or become a counter revolutionary revisionist. I choose death.
No.1829132
>>1829067>arguing against bad ideas helps strengthen good ideas.this nygha actually believes the "marketplace of ideas" meme when study after study has proven that repeating shitty ideas in the context of "deboonking" them actually causes more people to believe them.
for example if you go around saying "Karl Marx did NOT rape children!"
people's first instinct is to go "he did what now?"
deboonkers and their consequences have been a disaster
No.1829137
>>1829129Not defending Shay, but
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot_Party_(1970s)https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Patriots_OrganizationInb4
>wikipedia badI know, I know, shut the fuck up, I know. Just wanted to show the fucking flag.
No.1829138
>>1829062I'm so horny i'm going to die, i looove soy protein, gay murals, and lattes. I scorn the Bolivarian revolution. More superprofits please!!!
>>1829135Replace that syringe label with Quantitative Easing and we can talk
No.1829139
>>1829137Haha glowipedia point and laugh!$
No.1829140
>>1829138>I'm so horny i'm going to die, i looove soy protein, gay murals, and lattes. I scorn the Bolivarian revolution. More superprofits please!!!Revisionism Detected - "Average Twitter User"
No.1829141
shays cute butt of course
I love it!
No.1829144
>>1829079>To work half-heartedly without a definite plan or direction; to work perfunctorily and muddle along–"So long as one remains a monk, one goes on tolling the bell." This is a ninth type.Fuck, I am a liberal.
No.1829145
>>1829135im not entirely convinced but you're "kinda" right
the south isnt suppressed as a cultural entity but more for the fact that they have to comply with american capitalism
nowdays though they are the biggest supporters of it so meh
No.1829146
>>1829137is quite clear anon is using that flag to say something else
No.1829147
>>1829138What even is your ideology. What is superprofits, why are you against the bolivarian revolution
No.1829148
>>1829146Newfag that's most definitely Shay you're writing about
No.1829150
>>1829148i get it im a newfag and he is famous blah blah
that dosent really change what i said
No.1829155
>>1829151it's still quite clear the fact that, the flag was used in a time and in a way that was for a particular intent
which is not exactly left leaning
No.1829156
>>1829106You are a fucking idiot. You are the one of the reasons most Americans don't like communists. You are basically an anarchist because you don't start from material reality, but take what you want (America being gone) and work back from there. There is no economic reason for the US to fall apart, no one would benefit from it.
No.1829157
>>1829154actually i wrote that book when i had benadryl-induced dementia and believed my death was imminent because i came out to my parents as trans and my dad said he'd kill me if i turned out that way
thankfully they blamed the institution of psychiatry for my transgenderism and didn't kill me but i've been forcibly detransitioned 3 times because they believe i got groomed
>>1829155people fly it today to represent their discontent with the american government. so do i.
>>1829156i AM an anarchist though. and 40% of americans want to secede from the united states.
No.1829158
>>1829141shay pls reply i wrote this in a serious tone
No.1829160
>>1829158i'm not cute anymore sorry
No.1829164
>>1829147I rapidly transmogrified myself into a DSA rose emoji by the latter part of that sorry. I'm back to normal now.
No.1829165
>>1829156>There is no economic reason for the US to fall apart, no one would benefit from it.So what should be done? Organizing with the workers movement, alright, but he is alread doing It.
No.1829168
>>1829160why 😖 what do you mean 🥺
No.1829170
>>1829166Superprofits are the wealth obtained from third world countries by enclosure and exploitation, cheap exports, neverending debt slavery to keep them selling things for dollars on the cheap. At this point the group of Americans which can partake of these monopoly rents is less than 10% of the population, though. I'm not a "baristas are labor aristocrats" mf
No.1829171
>>1829170 (Me)
This isn't really the whole shebang I haven't covered how small proprietors and contractors in core countries exploit migrant workers, this is really brushing past it all, but I don't want to derail from the point of the thread which is being gay
No.1829176
>>1829168being a detransitioner and hitting twink death usually does that to a uygha. either way this discussion is veering way too off topic for my tastes. yeah i know i wanted to leave but that's because i realized that leftypol.org is stagnating and doesnt do shit that's important whatsoever. digital comrades are pixels on a screen and the vast majority of yall are nationalists for the USA or something else that's grounds for a good stalin-style purge
>>1829169thanks for the invitation to post more. i wasnt sure whether i wanted to just hit and run on leftypol or if i wanted to be more full time about it
No.1829184
if you're still worrying about revisionism in the present age, you're a hopeless case.
No.1829185
My pappy wert a soshlist, an his pappy wert a soshlist, ant his pappy wert un too.
No.1829190
>>1829184there's bigger things to worry about like becoming homeless or being mistreated by your friends and family but leftypol.org doesnt do anything about that
No.1829199
>>1829190it's a good thing there are true communists in the world like the guy who compiled a list of empty buildings for people to squat in unlike what leftypol.org does for people (nothing whatsoever)
No.1829212
>>1829132>study after study has provensource?
No.1829214
>>1829176Have you considered debating the finer points of LGBT rights with people in the Horn of Africa? Times are changing.
What's happening online today is a new beginning, hidden behind the new corporate walls.
No.1829220
>>1829214based but the only reason somalia is developing is because the imperialist countries decided it was less important to have a central state to do their bidding than it was to just have control over the red sea without giving any concessions to "pirates" aka the coast guard of somalia who want to prevent overfishing in their waters and it's their neighbors who are helping pull them out of ancapism
No.1829222
>>1829132>"marketplace of ideas"A lot of marx's best work is dunking on other people. We wouldn't have gothakritik if not for the gotha programme.
No.1829224
>>1829222wasnt that just a book he wrote in his own bedroom without arguing with anybody about it?
No.1829229
>>1829225because the nationalism of oppressors is worse than the nationalism of the oppressed.
No.1829230
>>1829225You know they just make those charts up for marketing right?
No.1829236
>>1829225>high protocol>enforced bedtime>decryphiliaWhat the hell are these
No.1829240
>>1829111>Communism actually means everything bad>Why are you people like thisHe ain't wrong tho, at least anything bad for capitalism means closer to communism.
No.1829249
>>1829220I couldn't agree more
No.1829268
Socialism is inevitable and easy. It has already won in the future. Accelerate, that is what is needed to be helpful for the sake of the cause!!!!!
No.1829478
>>1829079Glad you’re back my goddess!
No.1829485
>>1829106Based Shay (as always)
No.1829494
>>1829160Yes you are. We’ve seen your butt and the rest of your body.
No.1829501
>>1829176Shay, come to California, the state will provide you with trans healthcare. We need you to combat liberalism.
No.1829507
>>1829497>>1829199if he didnt get those people to further organize against capital then that too is doing "nothing whatsoever"
charity by itself has nothing to do with the communist movement
No.1829513
>>1829507do you give to charity? Honest question, no judging
No.1829587
>>1829062what's in that bucket
No.1829609
>>1829594I like Sherman because he wanted to kill all the native americans
No.1829611
>>1829609im sure everyone on r/communism thought this was really clevef
No.1829612
>>1829609He was literally named after an injun lop.
No.1829618
>>1829612its true that him and grant during grants presidency were actively complicit in genocide against natives. no need to deny that to say they were contextually good, even perhaps
historically progressivejohn brown is ofc the actual example of did nothing wrong but he doesnt make confederoids as angry
No.1829635
>>1829596Truer words have never been spoken, Lenin was a genius.
No.1829639
>>1829618>its true that him and grant during grants presidency were actively complicit in genocide against natives. no need to deny that to say they were contextually good, even perhaps historically progressiveWell more than complicit.
>Sherman's views on Indian matters were often strongly expressed. Following the 1866 Fetterman Massacre, in which 81 U.S. soldiers were ambushed and killed by Native American warriors, Sherman telegraphed Grant that "we must act with vindictive earnestness against the Sioux, even to their extermination, men, women and children."[236] In 1867, he wrote to Grant that "we are not going to let a few thieving, ragged Indians check and stop the progress" of the railroads.[237] In 1873, Sherman wrote in a private letter that "during an assault, the soldiers can not pause to distinguish between male and female, or even discriminate as to age. As long as resistance is made[,] death must be meted out, but the moment all resistance ceases, the firing will stop and all survivors turned over to the proper Indian agent".[238]His middle name was still Tecumseh.
No.1829667
>>1829639I agree that it is disgusting and unforgivable. I still consider him and Grant objectively to be liberators, though they were undeniably hesitant and unlikely liberators that, like Lincoln, were pushed by history into an admirable position
No.1829677
>>1829667Yeeah I just think it doesn't matter when talking about confederates vs union. We're talking about Indian genociders vs Slavers AND Indian genociders.
It's like Nazi germany vs the British empire. The Brits are the lesser Nazis and the Union are the lesser Confederates.
No.1829680
>>1829618>john brown doesn't make confederoids as angrydude what
the only person who makes them angrier is nat turner lol
No.1829685
>>1829680I mean most confederate shills probably don't even know who John Brown is.
No.1829710
>>1829677nah any sober view of history would consider the british empire to be x10 as horrific as the nazis. US history is closer to the nazis and still probably worse.
>inb4 this is nazi apologismno, its not
>>1829680>>1829691good to know if true, but i was under the impression they just considered john brown a crazy terrorist, worth contempt but not as seethe worthy as the commanders of the "northern aggressor" forces who easily trampled their little slaver kingdom as soon as lincoln promoted people who actually wanted to fight to win
No.1829734
>>1829710Even worse is they got the rest of the country to believe their bullshit too when Confederate sympathy was at an all time high in the first half of the last century when they're making Gone With The Wind and all that bullshit.
>Two notable screen portrayals of Brown were given by actor Raymond Massey. The 1940 film Santa Fe Trail, starring Errol Flynn and Olivia de Havilland, depicted Brown completely unsympathetically as a villainous madman and Massey plays him with a constant, wild-eyed stare. The film gave the impression that he did not oppose slavery, even to the point of having a black "mammy" character say, after an especially fierce battle, "Mr. Brown done promised us freedom, but … if this is freedom, I don't want no part of it". No.1829752
>>1829734of course. the sabotage of reconstruction was the death of the last chance the united states ever had to be an even relatively progressive historical force.
No.1829766
>>1829710John Brown's terrorism arguably kicked off the civil war, dude. Lots of confederoids blame him for losing their slaves and romantic southern aristocracy.
No.1829788
>>1829766i am fully aware of his actual historical influence but idk what dixoids teach about him, but i am very glad to hear he is still a bogeyman
No.1830024
>>1829710>>1829766A "crazy" (which is to say christian) terrorist who kicked off the civil war. I think it's pretty clear what happened. The framing in this case doesn't matter too much.
No.1830066
I have been an active member and helped build up a youth and adult party over the past 5 years.
All the kinds of marxist -isms are sects born from 20th century geopolitics. There is only things that work, and things that dont work. Things that help the global proletariat, and things that harm it. All other things are a matter of strategic differences, not fundamental rejections of workers liberation from capitalism.
We already live in a multipolar world. This multipolar world is made up of several capitalist powers, from which we see new camps emerging as we speak. There is no marxist parties in power anymore anywhere, as a core value of a marxist is the spreading of marxism through supporting and founding marxist parties abroad, which is not happening by any party in power. There are no internationals which do anything, there is no serious internationalist politics on a global scale.
It is up to marxists to take our new situation and make the best of it. To see the chessboard we are born into and play to the best of our ability. The multipolar world offers the global working class both unseen slaughter of our peoples and also opportunity to build our power on the borders between the ruling superpowers.
We must look at our own local situation, gather our local comrades, train each other in theory and praxis, and see in which way we can best advance the global cause in both the international sphere as well as the local sphere. For some in the imperialist core, this may mean sabotaging and frustrating the imperialist machine. For those in the periphery, it may mean fighting directly for victory. For those in capitalist powers straddling the imperialist camps, it may mean building the infrastructure of the international movement, helping out and protecting our comrades persecuted abroad, being the place where our movement is able to operate in relative openness, safety, well funded, the headquarters of the global guerilla war against big capital.
Other than that, I can not prove anything on a text board nor do i have the desire to prove myself to a board that is mainly inhabited by people of such low political character.
No.1830097
>>1829062ive murdered a person and attacked an idf soldier with a hammer
kinda hard to do anything else as a Georgian communist
No.1830247
>benadryl-induced dementia and believed my death was imminent
most stable transhumanist
No.1830431
>>1829062I'm not any of those things.
>Source: Trust me, bro No.1830693
>Marxist-Leninist-Stalinist-Maoists be like 'revision bad!'
HYPOCRITE THAT YOU ARE.
No.1830697
>>1829152The simple fact that Shay gets defensive and claims to not understand why using the Confederate States flag is a retarded idea is enough to dismiss them and laugh at a lost cause. It's unfortunate, really, like Chris-chan, but what is there left to do but find the humour in the absurdity?
No.1830699
>>1829070Prove that /leftypol/ is socialist.
Protip:
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>>1830699You can't say /leftypol/ without the lefty
No.1830747
>>1830697Not sure i appreciate being called a lolcow but socialism in the usa is a lost cause especially if that socialism fails to reject the legitimacy of US institutions (including the government and its elections by themselves). The CPUSA was a thoroughly domesticated party for this reason. Even a socialist movement that flies a confederate flag is more likely to succeed than such a compromised "movement" that accepts the "law and order" of an occupying power. People want freedom and prosperity which working within "the system" will never provide for them. It's people like you that are the biggest enemy of socialism.
No.1830788
>>1829618>john brown is ofc the actual example of did nothing wrong but he doesnt make confederoids as angrymy boss (from mississipi) said her grandma used to use "john brown" in place of curse words, and being historically ignorant she didn't know why that was and I explained to her who john brown was and she turned red as a beet because she puts up a nice "socially liberal" facade at work.
Also John Brown did plenty wrong. His raid didn't have to be unsuccessful but his strategies were poor. His long term plans were promising. He was going to build an guerilla army of escaped slaves. It would have been so based.
No.1830799
dude im too fuckin stupid for this shit please just have a bearded man wave a red flag and tell me whos a bastard and ill be like yea fuck em mate
No.1830817
>>1830747Everything you said was right but nothing you said supports embracing the flag of a short lived slave state like the Confederacy. There has to be some other flag or symbol that represents your area, right?
No.1831199
>>1830799unironically this, in a way.
isn't capitalism such a complex system based on exploitation, so sublime that goes under most people's noses, that is extremely hard for the average person to comprehend, and how to compromise that theoretical weight with the pure anger necessary for a revolution?
most people are rightfully angry at something, but they can't comprehend it and don't have time for "reading theory", so fascism is way easier to absorb and it gives reasons simple enough to justify violence
No.1831241
>>1830817The confederate battle standard is not the flag of the confederate states government and never was. It was the flag of military veterans who fought for the south including draftees. It is still the only flag that represents white southerners, same as the new afrika flag represents black southerners.
No.1831262
>>1830788so glad hearing hes still making them seethe. and yeah ofc im familiar with the strategic mistakes he made, but thats not what were talking about. and afaik he was getting very sick at the time of the raid on harpers ferry and that factored into the impulsive decision to attack before things were ready
No.1831708
>>1831241> It was the flag of military veterans who fought for the south including draftees.Those details about it actually representing confederacy troops changes nothing. It's still a symbol of the Confederacy by that association alone not even counting how it's seen in modern America.
Utah got a new flag design, so why can't you? Pick a southern bird or flower and start using that.
No.1831711
>>1831241>it was the flag of the evil confederate government who forced the poor non-slaver boys to their deathsok… so why should we glorify the government that victimized those poor southern boys?
No.1831715
>>1831708Birds and flowers arent symbols of wanting yankee blood though
No.1831716
>>1831715Might as well fly the Nazi flag too while you're at it.
No.1831718
>>1829062I read Michael Heinrich and watch Cockshott so I can increase my brain power to 1000%. Soon the Miami-Dade PTA will TREMBLE
No.1831734
>>1831716Critical support for Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan against Western imperialism. I mean its better for Asians to be ruled by Asians and Germany has the anti-colonial Free Arab Legion. We must support them comrade!
No.1832357
>>1831715Hammers and Sickles are though.
No.1832369
>>1831715Why not a variation of the Maegnolyun? Make it red with hammers and sickles.
https://maegnolyun.com/ No.1832712
I support a dictatorship of the proletariat by establishing a socialist republic. Also that PatSocs/MAGAComs deserve the same fate as the billionaire class for being cryptofascists.
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