Do you think the Tories intentionally fucked up the country in order to make leaving EU look worse for other countries?
Also about nuclear, I did calculate that with the currently easily available uranium you could only power the Earth for ten years, as right now we're set to run out in a hundred years, while 10% of the global energy production is nuclear. It is however worth noting that with improvements in reactor technology and resource gathering ability this time period could be increased by several orders of magnitude. This would however require massive investment, and it is unclear if nuclear even with that investment would be cheaper than solar and wind. Europe is actually in a fantastic position to build renewables, shame that current leadership will never seize the opportunity.
>>1899393We will continue to go for nuclear because their is a lot of money to be made in it by already established nuclear energy companies.
No to nuclear. It's literally just a scam on you personally, your energy bills.
>>1899391Nah. My working view is that there was a factional split in the bourgeoisie on EU membership which was ultimately resolved in favor of a fairly strong EU withdrawal (first by blundering the referendum, second because the alternative was mild social democracy) which Britain lacks the state capacity to actually do anything with. General institutional decline explains both why we left, and why things have continued getting worse after leaving. (Though since austerity is a major cause of both, and since the losing side tends to get a boost in elections, the "Cameron remains PM and we stay in the EU" timeline might just be the one where either Labour or the Tories die to a resurgent UKIP in 2019.)
>>1899393The numbers with nuclear are messy because you can reprocess spent fuel. (Though sometimes this is just cope for "what do we do with the waste?") That said, Nuclear's one of those things i've developed an aversion to. Not so much for fear of the technology itself (although once again: if it's riskier than a wind turbine, do you really want Britain's decrepit institutions responsible for making sure it's not spewing out a
Windscale a week?), which i used to advocate, more from seeing who else advocates it and who they tend to align themselves with. It's that old binary friend/enemy distinction again: Environmentalists are the enemy of Nuclear, while fossil fuels are merely irrelevant. Thus, pro-nuclear people tend to be more anti-Environmentalist than anti-Oil, and being anti-Environmentalist is a suspect look. (yeah, yeah, some anti-nuclear types are de-facto pro oil, but they give off the vibe of innocent naivete rather than malice.)
>>1899400Oh, an example footnote: The civil service literally did no planning for the event of a "Leave" vote in the EU referendum because the government felt it would be "defeatist", even though such planning would have given them
more ammunition by drawing attention to logistical snags and annoyances with actually leaving.
Traditionally, they'd plan for every event - in 1983 they still drew up plans for what to do if Michael Foot or the SDP defied expectations and took power - but in a referendum that was going to go 52/48 one way or another, they weren't allowed. Then suddenly it was happening, and in some cases it wasn't until article 50 was triggered that some departments noticed just how annoying it was going to be to disentangle everything.
>>1899405im not from Britain but i wish i could vote for this fella
>>1899413
Being that confident in the party of Rishi Sunak means you haven't been paying attention
>>1899413
Well, that's one way to expose yourself as A. being politically illiterate and B. not even following the most superficial mainstream news.
>>1899403Looking at my local water company, electricity company, and so on was the killer for me. Nah if there was an error we will all die.
Also hinkley point is french and the deal says we will
always be paying over market odds on the energy from it.
that can fuck off.
>>1899405>Gallowgods how we feeling about Thursday?What's going on thursday, anon?
Can't you Brits just execute your royals and get rid of parliamentary just like the French?
>>1899423some government bullshit, I got a letter but threw it out
>>1899413
bro they're projected to get like 40 seats
>>1899426We lopped King Charles I's head off and became a commonwealth for a little while, then we brought monarchy back by enthroning his son, Charles II.
Then the bourg decided they hated Catholics, so we deposed that guy's heir and brought in a Dutchman, praising ourselves for being glorious patriots all the while.
This country is so much worse than "never had a revolution": we have been living in the era of blackest reaction for a hundred years longer than America has been living. Our agrarian proto-socialists once dreamed of digging on St George's Hill, today said hill is a private gated community where houses sell from £5-30 million.
>>1899428>some government bullshit, I got a letter but threw it outKek. Oh, it's teh election day, i guess.
I think i'm going to weekday drink instead.
>>1899443Being serious I'm gonna go vote Greens as a protest
>>1899449>Communism on the ballot and he's voting greensWe are ngmi
>>1899473not him but: the CPB (which is only running in like 14 seats) has discredited itself to such a degree that i'd sooner endorse the DUP.
>>1899473I would like to vote for a party that at least has some legislative power even if they aren't going to win obviously
>>1899380>prisoners having sex with wardensThis is the most important thing to discuss currently. What is causing the epidemic of female prison officers fucking the inmates they are supposed to be guarding?
I don't want to go all incel on this, but can woman officers spend all day around sexually frustrated hyper-masculine chads without the result being prison sex? The next government urgently needs to look into the situation.
>>1899480I'm glad they're all having fun
>>1899480>This is the most important thing to discuss currently. What is causing the epidemic of female prison officers fucking the inmates they are supposed to be guarding? Literally always exists and exists with the other gender too. As to what's causing it; exodus of experienced guards, cuts to everything but including oversight, new guards without training and very bad pay, easier for prisoners also to build intimate relationships in order to have a line for smuggling, with the low pay, low oversight and the fact that they are far more likely to now not see the job as a long-term-career but a short term work.
With the horrific, degraded nature of our prisons is this really the prison issue that is important to you?
>I don't want to go all incel on this, but can woman officers spend all day around sexually frustrated hyper-masculine chads without the result being prison sex? The next government urgently needs to look into the situation.The main understanding afaiu is that prison-sex allows complete control and compartmentalization over the sexual-encounters.
>>1899425A great and tragic love story
>>1899473The great and authentic revolutionaries of the United Kingdom are two: Farage and Davis
>>1899531Pak/BA support for racist Labour is too high.
>>1899569it's rare for the WPB to poll anything like that well
(if you want to defend them, possibly because they're only running in ~1/5th of seats, which is a lot for a party of their size, butt not a lot compared to all the other parties on that list which are running in 4/5th or more.)
part funny, part confusing: electoral calculus predicts galloway will win his seat with 28% of the vote, but Labour has a higher chance of winning it. (?) if they're right, it'll be a real FPTP result: 28% workers party, 26% labour.
>>1899576>farage and galloway get their seats but hardly any others>labour get less votes than under corbyn but win a landslideThe amount of seething about FPTP is going to be incredible
>>1899556This has always baffled me. Do they genuinely believe Labour care about minorities or something?
>>1899594Well that could be a good thing in itself. People are far too complacent about the voting system.
>>1899497>The main understanding afaiu is that prison-sex allows complete control and compartmentalization over the sexual-encounters.Why not just do dating app one-night stands instead of risking losing your job and being arrested in order to have sex with a violent criminal?
>>1899480This happens all the time with male officers
>>1899693Male officers in men's prisons or women's prisons?
>>1899695Both, pigs rape inmates regularly.
>>1899671Because it's something to do at work I guess
>>1899671Because the prisoners have that Dark Triad rizz. Why do you think so many girls simp at cartoonishly violent Nazis like Josef Mengele?
>>1900226Well good to know that Reform voters still have the sense to laugh at Nigel Farage
https://archive.ph/bU7MiThe Sunday Times is endorsing Labour because… the Conservative governments they endorsed in 2010, 2015, 2017, and 2019 were bad, actually.
If only they'd noticed that earlier, eh?
>>1900226WTAF is he saying about columbine?? Actual crackhead party
based de lads
>>1900287>party supporting a genocide>Corbyn must be challenged!literal psyop in action
>>1900621This was years ago, in this case it's more "Farage must be challenged! Because Putler and Slava Ukraini"
>Isabel Oakeshott brought down Chris Huhne when he was a coalition minister (not by reporting the news, by making it.)
>Isabel Oakeshott co-authored the book about Cameron fucking the pig
>Isabel Oakeshott leaked the Matt Hancock whatsapps
>Isabel Oakeshott is in a relationship with Richard Tice, placeholder leader of Reform UK
I'm starting to think the "right-wing Brexiteers are the shadow-government of the UK and everything since 2010 has been the result of their machinations" theory of UK politics may be much closer to the truth than is comfortable. but of course, this is britain, everyone in power is the cousin of someone else in power, powerful people marry one another to combine their powers, and of course, as is the norm in a feudal state, powerful cousins get married.
>>1900652The poster and the link don't mention Farage, they're about challenging Corbyn.
>>1900672look at the dates
based de lads
>>1900715did i make it up or was there a period where a glitch made every post ITT (or every second post?) say this. probably around the time of the split.
>>1900738It was a socdem post that constantly appeared at the bottom of the thread for some reason
>>1900748kek of course it was socdem
>>1900326Physiognomy has spoken
>>1900326>nothing wrong with vegan diet bro!Meat eaters won.
>>1899671>The main understanding afaiu is that prison-sex allows complete control and compartmentalization over the sexual-encounters.<Why not just do dating app one-night standsBecause Dating apps through One night stands don't meet that description at all anon….
>>1901303You can fuck someone off a dating app in a hotel or on the back seat of your car, block their number afterwards and give them a fake name. That way it's completely compartmentalised. Gay men in heterosexual marriages do this all of the time.
>>1901307Yeah but that wouldn't be a fucking prison guard at the time, YOU FOOL
>>1901347The anon I was originally responding to was claiming that prison sex is more about compartmentalisation rather than about having prison-themed sex.
The NPR profile on Keir Starmer this morning was pretty funny. Just laying Keir out. Fake radical turned sell out prosecutor who back stabbed his mentor so he could sell out the party just so he can be PM all because he has a chip on his shoulder about the posh kids teasing him in school.
https://www.npr.org/2024/07/01/nx-s1-5009423/u-k-labour-party-candidate-born-in-china-writes-about-womens-private-evolutions
>This Thursday, on America's Independence Day, Britain will elect a prime minister. The leading candidate is a human rights lawyer, a knight and possibly the inspiration for a brooding heartthrob in the Bridget Jones movies. NPR's Lauren Frayer has this profile, the man who is expected to win in a landslide.
>LAUREN FRAYER, BYLINE: As a youngster, Keir Starmer got teased for his uncommon first name.
>UNIDENTIFIED NARRATOR: The father of the Labour Party, Keir Hardie.
>UNIDENTIFIED ACTOR: (As Keir) The equal rights of all men and women…
>FRAYER: Which was also the name of the 19th-century founder of the political party Starmer would grow up to run. Another early hurdle for Starmer was class. He grew up in an affluent, conservative suburb of London. But his family was blue-collar, says his biographer, Tom Baldwin.
>TOM BALDWIN: His dad was a toolmaker who, probably, people didn't understand as being skilled and clever because they just saw him as working in a factory. And he always resented that. He felt them being snobbish towards him.
>FRAYER: Baldwin says Starmer's dad withdrew and was sometimes surly. His mom, a nurse in the National Health Service - or NHS - was also chronically ill herself, in and out of the hospital, something Starmer often now says in speeches instilled in him the importance of free public health care.
>KEIR STARMER: The NHS that had been her livelihood became her lifeline.
>FRAYER: Like his namesake, Starmer joined the young socialists. He became a human rights lawyer, fighting cases against big oil and against McDonald's. He was even rumored to have inspired the character of a fictional lawyer in the popular Bridget Jones books and movies…
>(SOUNDBITE OF FILM, "BRIDGET JONES'S DIARY")
>RENEE ZELLWEGER: (As Bridget) Maybe this was the mysterious Mr. Right I'd been waiting my whole life to meet.
>FRAYER: …Played by a taciturn Colin Firth. Starmer later switched sides, though, and became a prosecutor, something his biographer says annoyed some of Starmer's left-wing human rights colleagues. And when riots broke out in London in 2011…
>(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
>UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: The first flames in a night of many fires.
>UNIDENTIFIED PERSON: Some people went to jail for first offenses, for stealing, like, you know, some doughnuts. He didn't sentence them, but he was very keen that they got processed through the courts quickly.
>FRAYER: In 2014, Starmer got a knighthood for his criminal justice work, becoming Sir Keir. And a year later, he won a seat in Parliament.
>CAROLYN HARRIS: I was expecting someone slightly standoffish or very formal.
>FRAYER: Carolyn Harris, a Labour MP from Wales, recalls meeting him that first day.
>HARRIS: I actually poked him in the back and said, you are that Keir Starmer. And he said, yes, I am. And I said, I'm going to make you the leader of the Labour Party.
>FRAYER: And what was his response? Was he like, yes, please? Or - (laughter).
>HARRIS: He smiled and laughed. And he said, well, we need to have a cup of tea and talk about that then.
>FRAYER: (Laughter).
>Harris says she spotted in Starmer a pragmatist willing to do what it takes to get elected. He kicked his left-wing mentor out of the party and moved Labour to the center. When climate activists heckled Starmer this spring, here's how he responded.(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
>STARMER: We gave up on being a party of protests five years ago. We want to be a party of power.
>FRAYER: Starmer's lead in the polls, though, may be less about him, says Guardian columnist Polly Toynbee, and more about voters' rejection of incumbent Conservatives - who've been in power for 14 years, through Brexit and Boris Johnson and a whole lot of tumult.
>POLLY TOYNBEE: People are very, very angry about almost everything. I don't think I've been through an election that has quite that revenge feeling to it.FRAYER: And so despite the fact that only four Labour leaders have ever won an election in more than a century, this election is Labour's to lose.
>GABRIEL POGRUND: Labour, it needs to act as though it's holding this priceless piece of ceramic, an immaculate Ming vase, across a thin sheet of ice.
>FRAYER: Gabriel Pogrund, a political journalist with the Sunday Times, says Starmer basically has to avoid giving anyone a reason not to vote for him.
>POGRUND: He has adopted a cautious, risk-averse approach. He's decided to sandpaper down all of his fiscal commitments. He's said he will preserve the government's position on Ukraine and other foreign policy positions. The biggest change won't be in terms of the political economy of the country, the ideology of government, it will be in reestablishing competence.
>FRAYER: Now, the first Keir, the one who founded the Labour Party back in 1900, he never actually won an election himself. But this Keir looks likely to do that with a pragmatic, centrist approach, and even his supporters say, maybe by just keeping his mouth shut.
>>1899380>and prisoner(s) having sex with warden(s)>>1899480<1 warden, 2 prisonersWheres the rest? Is there more?
>>1901766I didn't know he used to be on the side of justice, I wonder what made him flip? Did he just decide he didn't give a fuck anymore about doing good or did someone make him an offer he couldn't refuse?
>>1899380I'm an anglophile, I think britons are the best of the best of humanity and did more for the world than any other race or culture
I am brown and latino tho
>>1902160It's ok we love you too taco bro <3
>>1901766>Now, the first Keir, the one who founded the Labour Party back in 1900, he never actually won an election himself. But this Keir looks likely to do that with a pragmatic, centrist approach, and even his supporters say, maybe by just keeping his mouth shut.Nope, he's just winning because the adversaries have committed suicide in the most grotesque ways possible everyday for years. Even Jimmy Saville resurrected would win next Thursday if he was leader of the opposition after all of the conservatives' debacles.
does sir kid starver still have a mossad agent working for him?
>>1902218his wife is jewish.
>>1902221People don't mention this enough tbh.
>>1902221that doesn't mean shit.
he used to have a mossad agent working for him, though. one of those unit 8200 guys, so a real super spook.
>>1902228>that doesn't mean shitI would expect you to know better krautanon
>>1902218Yeah and a bunch of Israel lobbyists
>>1902221Purely coincidental
>>1902246lol. lmao.
8200 is really scary too, they are basically the NSA with even less morals.
>>1902251Israel is up to their neck in this shit and have a strong position in the privatised intelligence service sector; Black Cube, NSO Group, White Knight, and Psy-Group
Also Kroll is an American one dominated by New York Jews who worked with Weinstein, who also employed Black Cube. They were involved in the privatisation of the USSR to some extent and Yeltsin employed them for a while (it appears GKChP stole a bunch of money before the coup lmao, will have to look into it deeper at some point).
>>1899531what's haha about this
>>1902274Big Green presumably
>>1902295He's got the highly coveted AR47
>>1902341Oh neat, didn't recognise it without its ugly wooden handguard lol
Kier in an exclusive interview with The Times yesterday saying he doesn't believe trans people have the right to use public toilets.
As a spineless Tory planted in his role by the elites, of course he couldn't give a fuck about rivers with so much shit in they'll kill you if you go for a swim, about the highest ever levels of child poverty, about billionaires (his mates) bleeding the country dry, and he actively endorses the Israeli genocide.
So the solution is to shift focus onto when and where trans people have the right to take a shit.
My instant reaction is to want to smash his skull open with a brick.
But, realistically, how do the left get ourselves heard in this country after his victory? Without getting ourselves locked up?
No amount of protesting or spreading awareness online seems to work.
And I'm starting to feel like there is never anything that could ever change the system here, and if I want socialism then the only option is to try to move to a different country where there is still hope of building socialism.
I don't see how any positive changes is possible in Britain in the short to medium term future at all, no matter what actions the left takes.
>>1902571Learn Chinese, socialism became an orientalized movement and philosophy over 100 years ago, that process closed all possibility of it happening in the west. The only way socialism comes to any English speaking country is by an invading army.
>>1902571>woman in politics>just talks about their vagina constantlyMany such cases
>>1902341Not surprising, South Sudan (SS) was carved out of original Sudan to stick it to an Arab state with fundamental assistance from the usual suspects. Then, when they were allowed to secede, they were left to rot in a constant state of civil war and extreme poverty. And in the end even original Sudan cucked and gave diplomatic recognition to you know who.
>>1902571Mate, really, I feel you. I feel that feel. I've experienced two deeply cucked CUNTries in my life - Bongland and Wopistan - and I still have relatives on your side of the Anglo Channel and at this point I think I can tell when there's no realistic hope for a place. As far as trans issues go, some time back I really didn't care but all the nasty and clear manipulation of the thing convinced me that we are in the middle of another witch hunt deliberately unleashed on a very marginal, small and for the most part defenceless group of people. Unfortunately there are a lot of feeble minds around and this kind of propaganda sticks very easily. It's easy to punch down and you are even rewarded as far as you never punch up.
>>1902596>we are in the middle of another witch hunt deliberately unleashed on a very marginal, small and for the most part defenceless group of peopleThis is just how the UK operates at this point, the average bong is too spineless and stupid to go after the bankers and it all extends from that
Hey Brits name one(1) challenge, I bet you can't, go.
>>1902619ice bucket challenge
yes i'm bringing it back
>>1899480Lucky bastards, keep them coming. Besides, who in their right mind wants to guard prisons with low pay? Of course, they'll copulate with inmates. But was she really an officer or just a swinger and onlyfans model?
>>1902277is the british green party racist?
>>1902619Name one(1) challenge challenge
>>1902619Being an England fan
lol two Telegraph/Compact and Spectator journos got bankrupted and revealed to be Nazis, and some TERFs are shrieking about it. Nina was also editor of Compact
Found it posted in /isg/ for some reason when it is clearly of bongoloid interest
https://nitter.poast.org/Luke_Turner/status/1808043526413807969#mhttps://luketurner.com/Nina_Power/Unique IPs: 41