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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
ɢʀᴀʙ ᴀ ᴘᴀɪʀ ᴏꜰ sᴘᴇᴄᴛᴀᴄʟᴇs

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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq9sCIyXgA

>The Culture Industry from Dialectic of Enlightenment (1944) by Theodore Adorno & Max Horkheimer

📓 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1944/culture-industry.htm
📖 • https://libcom.org/article/dialectic-enlightenment-philosophical-fragments-theodor-adorno-and-marx-horkheimer
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hSLdd8R8mY

<Understanding Media (1964) by Marshall McLuhan

📖 • https://designopendata.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/understanding-media-mcluhan.pdf
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ML9n5f1fE

>One-Dimensional Man (1964) by Herbert Marcuse

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/one-dimensional-man-studies-ideology-advanced-industrial-society-herbert-marcuse
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCoLbEkAqs

<Discipline and Punish (1975) by Michel Foucault

📖 • https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michel-foucault-discipline-and-punishment
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s82uU4iRuko

>Simulacra and Simulation (1981) by Jean Baudrillard

📖 • https://dn720006.ca.archive.org/0/items/baudrillard.-1970.-the-consumer-society/Baudrillard.1981.Simulacra-and-Simulation.pdf
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yxg2_6_YLs

<Manufacturing Consent (1988) by Edward S. Herman & Noam Chomsky

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/manufacturing-consent-political-economy-mass-media-noam-chomsky-and-edward-s-herman
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M

>The Sublime Object of Ideology (1989) by Slavoj Zizek

📖 • https://altexploit.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/slavoj-zizek-the-sublime-object-of-ideology-second-edition-the-essential-zizek-2009.pdf
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIckkHsUQ4

<Postscript on the Societies of Control (1990) by Gilles Deleuze

📖 • https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gilles-deleuze-postscript-on-the-societies-of-control
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4Cq_-bLlY

>Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism (1991) by Fredric Jameson

📖 • https://www.are.na/block/4114741
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4k26xGx1zI

<Spectres of Marx (1993) by Jacques Derrida

📖 • https://libcom.org/library/specters-marx-jacques-derrida
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJr0NwXWb6Q

>Capitalist Realism (2009) by Mark Fisher

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/capitalist-realism-mark-fisher
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cb5XJH4NMI

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SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL

>Precursor Material to Post-modernity and Critical Theory

📖 • Karl Marx - Book 1, Chapter 4 of Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (1844)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm
📺 • Why Marx Was Right: Alienation - PlasticPills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPRxxN4Kh30

📖 • Georg Lukács - Chapter 4 of History and Class Consciousness (1923)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/hcc05.htm
📺 • Marxism After Marx: Reification - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZiI-QKxBKI

📖 • Antonio Gramsci - Book 1, Chapter 1 of Selections from the Prison Notebooks (1929)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci/prison_notebooks/problems/intellectuals.htm
📺 • Hegemony: WTF? An introduction to Gramsci and cultural hegemony - Tom Nicholas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LI_2-qsovo

📖 • Louis Althusser - Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses (1970)
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm
📺 • Althusser's Concept of Ideology: A Discussion with Anthony Gavin - Acid Horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtOqXxkKwvw


<Documentaries

The Society of the Spectacle (1974) by Guy Debord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjF6I6SYjgA

Manufacturing Consent (1992) by Mark Achbar & Peter Wintonick, with Noam Chomsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2m3rvsO0I

The Pervert's Guide to Cinema (2006) and The Pervert's Guide to Ideology (2012) by Sophie Fiennes, with Slavoj Zizek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYuI4SFw4g0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBcFLmu_tlc

HyperNormalisation (2016) by Adam Curtis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bv3Tr3jvZM&rco


>Easy-Bake Breadtube (for absolute beginners)

We're All Fake Now - Wisecrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTW1mPOJJ_Y

Are Cell Phones Replacing Reality? - PBS Idea Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AXIAM7dTTg

The Cultural Significance of Cyberpunk - Cuck Philosophy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvor7hhDKTs

Introduction to Critical Theory for the 21st Century - Nathan Dufour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7stVZPGxIw

The Work of Art in the Age of Surveillance Capitalism - Brendan Morris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNKiBJJFXZI


<Situationist Archives

https://situationist.org/
https://notbored.org/SI.html
https://bopsecrets.org/SI/index.htm

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RECOMMENDED OP-EDS
I Don’t Want to Be an Internet Person by Ginevra Davis
https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/11/04/i-do-not-want-to-be-an-internet-person/

Pluralistic: Tiktok's enshittification by Cory Doctorow
https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

Facebook's Threads is so depressing by Jason O. Gilbert
https://jogblog.substack.com/p/facebooks-threads-is-so-depressing
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>>2574183
only if they join the naxalites

>>2575328
That's still like 10 times the PPH of this site 😭

marx? autist
lenin? autist
mao? autist
bordiga? autist
stalin? adhd + autist
che? autist
kim il sung? autist
trotsky? adhd
bob avakian? autist
leila khaled? adhd
bukharin? autist
ho chi minh? adhd + autist
pol pot? adhd
rosa? autist
hoxha? autist
engels? adhd
tito? adhd
fidel? adhd
bela kun? adhd
zhou enlai? autist
lin piao? adhd
gonzalo? autist
kollontai? autist
zetkin? adhd
preobrajensky? autist
sankara? adhd
souphanouvong? autist

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>religious furry drawing this slop to shit on queers
some people really need to grow up figuratively and literally

>>2575450
and the person i dislike? neurotypical

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>>2575284
Fucking lol, theres wayyy too much latino cope in there, those guys are fucking angry
>we wuz conquistadors latinos are evropean
<uhm Asians are basically aryan
>my wife is only half black broo!!! my children are 3/4 white yoo!!

>>2575474
I mean they said on twitter they are 17, so, literally underage

>>2575450
Not as far fetched as it may sound. These people probably had a higher percentage of neurodivergent people than the general population.

>>2575450
Lol you jest but Bordiga reads as autistic

new thot video, ACP anti idpol types spooked!

>>2575573
oh yes new th0tkino

>>2575232
thread delteded, 404

pretty interesting stuff.
decent lib.

>>2568359
also deleted

>>2575573
<Racism was created by white people to justify slavery and colonialism.
Minor point, but what about the ottoman empire's slavery and colonialism?
<Class and identity are fused
This is where the idpol she is repeating is wrong. Capitalism can completely strip identity from a subject and yet still force people to retain their class position of the prole. Proles are proles no matter their identity because of their position as gears in the machine of capitalism. Does having black skin or breasts change how fast you can push a button in a factory? No, the skin color or secondary sex characteristics has nothing to do with that. Prole productivity and function within the economic system does not change based on superficial factors such as skin color, gender or what gender you fuck on your free time. The identity has nothing to do with your class position is a purely capitalist society. Identities such as being gay, black, and women are in fact left overs from previous social structures. Social structure that are being destroyed as significant factors within individualistic neoliberal capitalism, despite reactionary push back.

Fundamentally, she misses the point of anti-idpol left and what it's trying to point out. Yes racism and sexism is bad and it's true that currently identity does affect people in today's society. However capitalism as a system doesn't need those identities to exist and class society will continue to exist even after every other identity in existence has become equal.

Also 48 min, whew. Got to end of part one 19 min. I don't have any comments past that.

>>2575573
Ew slop

>>2575450
This is why they want to get rid of autism. Or as it should be called truthisim.

>>2575600
He considers himself a Marxist.

FD's vids is what brought me to the left

>>2575747
Embarrassing if true.

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>>2575747
Excellent bait

>>2575823
this poster should stick to talking about queer issues and anime instead of all the philosophy retardation and conflating it with "communism" tbqh

>>2575747
>FD's vids is what brought me to the left
That's nice. good for you.
>>2575600
guess the video got nuked.

>>2575777
>>2575827
I don't get it. Why is that bad? He makes great videos.

I've been seeing lots of people DOOMing about the new update of Google's AI image generator saying "the age of photographs as evidence is OVER", but is it really that bad?
Seems like another psy-op to overhype AI and keep the bubble from popping.

>>2576042
It's just marketing being sneaky worms as always, overselling and underdeliverling

>>2576042
retvrn to film

>>2576042
The issue isn't that AI will become indistinguishable from real photos. The issue is they will be good enough that most people won't be able to tell at a glance, which has been the case for a few years now anyway for probably most people and the % keeps growing.

>>2576042
the bubble is an iceberg and you are seeing the tip

>>2575603
>Yes racism and sexism is bad and it's true that currently identity does affect people in today's society. However capitalism as a system doesn't need those identities to exist and class society will continue to exist even after every other identity in existence has become equal.
Capitalism doesn't logically require those identities to exist, that's true. But capitalism in history has absolutely depended on division (racial stratification, gender hierarchies) and scapegoating because capitalism rewards competition, profit, property, and fear. It may dispense with "race" or "sexuality" but it still requires some mechanism to suppress solidarity because that threatens the existing order, and often enough it goes back to those things because it's functional. The error the anti-idpol left can (not necessarily) make is that it assumes that capitalism can function (again, logically they're not wrong) without that, it still often does. Some you get leftists who will say "this is just a distraction" and they don't make an effort to actively combat it, and that's a problem.

(Not watching the video.)

>>2576169
>The issue isn't that AI will become indistinguishable from real photos. The issue is they will be good enough that most people won't be able to tell at a glance, which has been the case for a few years now anyway for probably most people and the % keeps growing.
Is it an issue though? Most people already live immersed in the culture war and seamlessly transition between opposite beliefs as required within that system.

They already care none for the truthiness of information, beyond a base fear of solipsism. Which is what I think we are seeing with AI, but that would be a PR problem. Just given them an authority, a government fact-checking bureau. A techbro fighting-AI-with-AI, whatever. As long as they are reassured that truth *exists* and *someone* on "their side" is tackling the problem they'll be happy.

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>>2576220
>ai slop ska song

>>2574604
she is not latina

>>2576180
>But capitalism in history has absolutely depended on division (racial stratification, gender hierarchies) and scapegoating
It can use those historical identities but it can also just create new ones on a dime at any point. Currently people with specific eye colors get stereotyped differently and if capitalists wanted they could expand this into a new full blown identity and enforce a new type of behavior on the population. Then you'll start getting liberal lefty opinion pieces talking about how brown eyes or blue eyes are fused to their class positions.
You can continuously expand this forever. Blood type like in Japan, height, obesity, eye shape, eye tilt, chins, lips, length of fingers, what you do in your free time, how you walk, what clothes you wear on and on. In fact lookmaxxing types and plastic surgeons have already noticed and point out that people are treated differently based on these superficial factors. Do you have sex regularly? New group. Do you do x entertainment instead of y? New groups. All it take is a push and there is a new identity group ready made with every single same argument attached. At some point you've got to put your foot down and say "OK, maybe secondary schoolers think chav vs lads is supper important and they even beat each other up over it. But it objectively doesn't matter. Grow up!"
>Some you get leftists who will say "this is just a distraction" and they don't make an effort to actively combat it, and that's a problem.
Just have a policy of equal respect instead of trying to treat every single little group a completely different species with it's own stupid made up cultural requirements. Does it really matter if the gears of a machine are superficially colored darker, lighter, or it's finish is shinny or dull? Capitalist don't give a fuck so why are we required to dive through all these hoops?

In the upcoming weeks, the wooswoos guys will release SOCIALISM AI:
>Socialism AI is a new application of AI aimed at making the theoretical resources, historical analyses and political clarity of the socialist movement accessible to workers, students and youth throughout the world.
https://www.wsws.org/en/special/pages/introducing-socialismai.html
Or said in normal language: It will be a chatbot for asking questions about capitalism and socialism in general and geopolitical stuff and supposedly answer from the anti-impererialist trot perspective.

I hope they have some good heuristics for guessing whether a question goes offtopic. Imagine chatbots actually saying that they have no idea what you are talking about and that it seems out of scope of what they were built for. Being humble would be a real innovation.

>>2576242
>trot
c.a.i shit

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>>2576242
>anti-impererialist trot perspective
So an ai that collaborates with the cia and can generate 1 million Trot newspapers instantly. Cool.

>>2576255
Yes they are trots and yes they are anti-imperialist and you can see that if you just go on their fucking site and read a couple articles. You have been here for years and you don't know anything about WSWS. Just how is that possible?

Maybe start reading instead of spending all day trying to get laid (and failing) in Cyberpunk 2077.

>>2576242
REVOLUTION IS NOT A MATTER OF TECHNOLOGICAL SUPERIORITY OR OF EDUCATEDNESS OF THE MASSES. DIE REVISIONIST MODERNIZER OPPORTUNIST FALSIFIER DENIER

>>2576227
Pro cras ti na tion isnt yo fault. Itsa broke menta lity fueld by self doubt

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>>2576232
>Just have a policy of equal respect instead of trying to treat every single little group a completely different species with it's own stupid made up cultural requirements.
Well I agree with that, and I think that's probably the answer. But nevertheless what do you do when people treat other people badly and disrespect them, humiliate them, exploit them. You do need to make some effort to struggle against those people. I think what a lot of what people are rebelling against in identity politics is more this moral crisis that requires an ever-expanding list of rules to squash perceived offense, but nobody can agree on what "is" racism or fatphobia, and people who try to combat it are accused of doing it wrong and that's offensive and so on. It's a "war of all against all." Seems more like a symptom of the extreme alienation and atomization that we're experiencing.

>>2576338
tbf what counts as respectful or offensive is very culturally malleable. Part of the problem is all these different cultural groups and people having their own separate versions. That's why a few years ago you'll get the meme of some women complaining about men's wider stances on trains when there are no agreed upon rules governing exactly how much space people are allowed to take up on a train in the first place. These women are assuming certain rules of taking up public space and then complains when people violate rules most people don't agree even exist. It then seems funny or overreacting to most the population but within the their cultural understanding framed by feminism it seemed to be a purposeful violation of rules by men.

Basically what we need is someone to put down a bunch of very clear social rules that applies to everyone which makes it obvious when someone violates them. No micro aggression, passive aggression, disrespect or humiliation can be mistakenly crossed after that. It would have to actually be purposeful.

Alright now fellas,
>Yeah!
What's cooler than being cool?
>Lady Izdihar looking like Anne Hathaway!

>>2576292
Oh hey I'm in those articles being called a pseudo-leftist.
By the way the SEP are banned from most protests here after picketing union strikes. Luckily they're just a handful of demented retirees who can be easily brushed away IRL.


>>2576242
Did they build and train their own model or are they using some open source shit, fine tune a bit and call it a day?

I'm amazed how putting a chat bot ontop of what formerly was done by a search engine is seen as bleeding edge technology and not pointless idiocy.



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