>>2778743My problem with it isn't le purity testing, it is the fact that it has nothing to do with scientific socialism and serves more as entertainment at best and conspiracist obfuscation at worst. Ruling class degeneracy is a frequent theme of class society, yet stories of it have never led to political change. We need less de Sade and more Marx. This is not to say that the contents of the Epstein files themselves don't contain any surprising or interesting information however.
>>2778930>My problem with it isn't le purity testing>it is the fact that it [is not pure enough]Yeah calling people epsteinites is not theory my man. It's just a manifestation of how the class struggle is being perceived at the moment.
>and serves more as entertainmentIn what sense? I can see how it's a cathartic term, but it just looks like agit prop to me tbh.
>conspiracist obfuscation at worstI don't really think that is how it is being used in the main. If anything the rise of conspiratorial obfuscation becoming much more mainstream is an indication that trust in liberal institutions and their frameworks is at a very low point
>Ruling class degeneracy is a frequent theme of class society, yet stories of it have never led to political changeHas complaining about stories having these themes accomplished anything?
>>2778965Scientific socialism isn't merely a purity check, it's the intellectual foundation for the movement for the abolition of capitalism itself.
>it just looks like agit prop to meIt all depends on the context. What I see here instead is socialists discussing the slogans amongst themselves and convincing themselves that it's necessary to vulgarise Marxism "for the masses" as they repeat the things they come up with for that purpose to each other. The reality is that the people who mostly benefit from conspiracies are mostly far-right grifters who say that the Jews control the world like Candace Owens. It would therefore serve us much better to focus on the theoretical and organizational development of scientific socialism, educate each other and advance the socialist programme without unnecessary demagoguery.
Am I yelling at the clouds here? Yes. But I'm just not willing to entertain liberal nonsense especially on a Marxist site.
>>2779009>on a Marxist site.this is a lassallean/kautskyite site
>>2779009can you give me a lecture on why calling capitalists 'porkies' is bad and damages the cause? thank you in advance.
if you can't use the "epstein class" meme as a means to direct "uninitiated" people into scientific socialism you simply suck at agitprop and should leave that part of praxis to more talented people, if all you can do is complain about how its not a rigorous scientific term you are simply doing the language police shit that made everyone hate the left in the 2010's, people that do that crap will never be leaders
this is a dirty Stalinist site
>>2779042That's not the point of my post. The simplest way to summarize what I'm saying is that instead of tailing media happenings and conspiracies we should develop a programme
>>2779060
Sorry Ted your manifesto is retarded and technological development will continue for as long as humanity is around.
>>2779070
in a few billion years everything will be extinct dw
>>2779009>Scientific socialism isn't merely a purity check, it's the intellectual foundation for the movement for the abolition of capitalism itself. It is not a purity check, yet you are using it as one. You are upset at terminology generated from the masses for not adhering to your preconceived notion of how marxistly dense it aught to be
>What I see here instead is socialists discussing the slogans amongst themselves and convincing themselves that it's necessary to vulgarize Marxism "for the masses"I don't think that's what's happening. Like you said, Epstein class and such has nothing to do with marxism, so what is being vulgarized exactly? Wouldnt a vulgarization of marxism be more something like economism? Rather than the use of a particular phrase such as calling the ruling class pedophiles
>The reality is that the people who mostly benefit from conspiraciesWhat conspiracy? The Epstein stuff is legit and goes all the way up to the current pedophile in chief
>It would therefore serve us much better to focus on the theoretical and organizational development of scientific socialism, educate each other and advance the socialist programmeObviously that's always better than discussing semantics, this is redundant and leans into sniffing your own farts
>Yes. But I'm just not willing to entertain liberal nonsense especially on a Marxist siteAiight chief
Jesus was definitely more of a socialist than capitalist
historical world news is happening and every time i tune into the top world news streamer he is covering tabloid articles talking about him
>>2779433>Caleb Maupinlmao I love that guy
>>2778743the western masses ARE the epstein class
westoids saying "epstein class" is just like westoids saying "we are the 99%"
no you aren't. You're the top 10%
>>2779486Millions must die
>>2778965>Americans eat people That's why they're fat
>>2779744
Nah bro he was probably the most progressive voice of his time, he would totally be a comrade if he was alive today.
>>2779783
yeah bro he was an idealist. But can you blame him? He grew up in Judea and manage to turn everyone into hippies
>>2779820
Islam has Jesus teleported to heaven and Judas's soul gets bodyswapped and forced to suffer on the cross
>>2779940Oh wow I didn't know that. So that's why muslims think the whole resurrection thing is rubbish.
>>2779974Idealist take. There's a reason why the CIA feared communist priests.
Amazing things are happening on kick.
>>2780283>factionalismunless if it has to dew with trans shit, then how?
>>2780283CPB-ML is purposefully unpopular and dogmatic, like so many parties.
>>2780283>>2780287i though that they were trans-skeptics TERFs
>>2780283They found his anti-gay and anti-trans blog posts I guess lmao another chud down
>>2780297CPB-ML are literally TERFs
>>2780298i wonder if it was posts he made about zionism.
>>2780298No that's CPGB-ML you're thinking of.
Cockshott was stupid enough to join a pro-trans Communist party (CPB) lmaoooooooooooooo
>>2780291>>2780298>>2780302Cockshott was never CPB-ML or CPGB-ML, he was CPB, who are also extremely transphobic btw. He was probably kicked out because he supports planned economy. The CPB want to vote in socialism btw. He is too radical for them, but it has nothing to do with transphobia when both him and the party are the same on that.
>>2779991yeah, 60 years ago when christianity was still growing beyond the anemic rate it has now
>>2780311What's the endgame here? What benefit is there for them for kicking out one of the most prominent contributors to 21st century socialism?
>>2780330CPB are Eurocommunists LARPing as ML. They don't want Cockshott because he is a famous theoretician in favour of planned economy, and the CPB don't want planned economy.
maybe he should just make his own party now.
>>2780343He should just join whatever socialist party is willing to take him. I know he's an ML and everything but even trotskyists are saner and more politically active than the clownshow of "ML" parties in the UK.
Hontra just made another god awful Twitter post.
>>2780382he should just leave the UK and join a party somewhere else
>>2777734Incorrect. Professor jiang never denied the holocaust. See
>>2773035. You are calling an innocent man antisemetic.
>>2778383Socialism for all did 3 streams about this man, totaling about 12 hours. All of it is dead air. You fail to recognize sheer irony of socialism4all calling professor jiang anti-communist agent, while he cries incoherantly about capitalism in china and dengism for hours. Professor jiang says the end of the GPCR and market reform was rather peaceful—this is factual—socialism4all disagrees and is dumbfounded, and lets the chat we cannot see explain his rationale for him
>>2780459I take it back. He streamed for 6 hours over professor jiang in one sitting and split into 2 videos. Half of which is about dengism and not professor jiang. If professor jiang really is a fascist who denies the holocaust, then why is half the stream crying about dengism?
Unique IPs: 31