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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together with the Leftypol Twitter account:
https://twitter.com/leftypol_org

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq9sCIyXgA

>The Culture Industry from Dialectic of Enlightenment (1944) by Theodore Adorno & Max Horkheimer

📓 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1944/culture-industry.htm
📖 • https://libcom.org/article/dialectic-enlightenment-philosophical-fragments-theodor-adorno-and-marx-horkheimer
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hSLdd8R8mY

<Understanding Media (1964) by Marshall McLuhan

📖 • https://designopendata.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/understanding-media-mcluhan.pdf
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ML9n5f1fE

>One-Dimensional Man (1964) by Herbert Marcuse

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/one-dimensional-man-studies-ideology-advanced-industrial-society-herbert-marcuse
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCoLbEkAqs

<Discipline and Punish (1975) by Michel Foucault

📖 • https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michel-foucault-discipline-and-punishment
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s82uU4iRuko

>Simulacra and Simulation (1981) by Jean Baudrillard

📖 • https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=DBF3E860993373223D72E98FADF0F2DC
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yxg2_6_YLs

<Manufacturing Consent (1988) by Edward S. Herman & Noam Chomsky

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/manufacturing-consent-political-economy-mass-media-noam-chomsky-and-edward-s-herman
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M

>The Sublime Object of Ideology (1989) by Slavoj Zizek

📖 • https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=054E022C8BD24EE2C5595B575BCED7DC
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIckkHsUQ4

<Postscript on the Societies of Control (1990) by Gilles Deleuze

📖 • https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gilles-deleuze-postscript-on-the-societies-of-control
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4Cq_-bLlY

>Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism (1991) by Fredric Jameson

📖 • https://libgen.is/book/index.php?md5=5BD20E0E22FC8BC2CB4F8A7760D57027
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RtV0oO8Pmg

<Spectres of Marx (1993) by Jacques Derrida

📖 • https://libcom.org/library/specters-marx-jacques-derrida
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJr0NwXWb6Q

>Capitalist Realism (2009) by Mark Fisher

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/capitalist-realism-mark-fisher
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cb5XJH4NMI

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SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL

>Precursor Material to Post-modernity and Critical Theory

📖 • Karl Marx - Book 1, Chapter 4 of Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (1844)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm
📺 • Why Marx Was Right: Alienation - PlasticPills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPRxxN4Kh30

📖 • Georg Lukács - Chapter 4 of History and Class Consciousness (1923)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/hcc05.htm
📺 • Marxism After Marx: Reification - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZiI-QKxBKI

📖 • Antonio Gramsci - Book 1, Chapter 1 of Selections from the Prison Notebooks (1929)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci/prison_notebooks/problems/intellectuals.htm
📺 • Hegemony: WTF? An introduction to Gramsci and cultural hegemony - Tom Nicholas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LI_2-qsovo

📖 • Louis Althusser - Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses (1970)
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm
📺 • Althusser's Concept of Ideology: A Discussion with Anthony Gavin - Acid Horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtOqXxkKwvw


<Documentaries

The Society of the Spectacle (1974) by Guy Debord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjF6I6SYjgA

Manufacturing Consent (1992) by Mark Achbar & Peter Wintonick, with Noam Chomsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2m3rvsO0I

The Pervert's Guide to Cinema (2006) and The Pervert's Guide to Ideology (2012) by Sophie Fiennes, with Slavoj Zizek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYuI4SFw4g0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBcFLmu_tlc

HyperNormalisation (2016) by Adam Curtis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bv3Tr3jvZM&rco


>Easy-Bake Breadtube (for absolute beginners)

We're All Fake Now - Wisecrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTW1mPOJJ_Y

Are Cell Phones Replacing Reality? - PBS Idea Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AXIAM7dTTg

The Cultural Significance of Cyberpunk - Cuck Philosophy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvor7hhDKTs

Introduction to Critical Theory for the 21st Century - Nathan Dufour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7stVZPGxIw

The Work of Art in the Age of Surveillance Capitalism - Brendan Morris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNKiBJJFXZI


<Situationist Archives

https://situationist.org/
https://notbored.org/SI.html
https://bopsecrets.org/SI/index.htm

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RECOMMENDED OP-EDS
I Don’t Want to Be an Internet Person by Ginevra Davis
https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/11/04/i-do-not-want-to-be-an-internet-person/

Pluralistic: Tiktok's enshittification by Cory Doctorow
https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

Facebook's Threads is so depressing by Jason O. Gilbert
https://jogblog.substack.com/p/facebooks-threads-is-so-depressing
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>>2351562
proof is in the pizza

>Uses the Dislike unlock add-on that Hassan proved it's a sham to make a point
This is embarrasing.

>>2351602
hasan proved taht? i thought everyone knew and was just going off vibes

>>2351602
How does the dislike addon work? If it’s a sham that is.

>>2351313
She is trolling my guy. As in she is mocking the people who say this stuff.

>>2351607
He showed the actual video trend of the response to the first content nuke.
>>2351639
it's registered from the Addon aparently, the actual like/dislike ratio from the video creator side.

>>2351531
you don't need to make up conspiracies to think that AI slop destroying all human culture and knowledge is bad

>>2351602
obviously it's bullshit because the vast vast majority of people who use youtube don't have that add-on and think dislikes don't do anything

>>2351674
if "destroying culture" is le bad then why are you a communist lmao. literal culture warrior

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>Actually named the episode AI Slop.

>>2351562
That pizza looks good. I'm just unsure about those white squares

AI sucks so much man, and it's everywhere. I use it pretty much every day and I'm so sick of its "voice" and so many other things about it.

I see its voice all over the place. On Twitter every seemingly long thread is now completely AI generated. And people eat it up, despite being very obviously made not just by AI but by chatGPT.


It's surprising how effective it as at tricking people (including me, after hours and hours of frustration) into thinking it's being like very "smart" or very "useful." It really shocks me everytime I go back and read something that was written before AI. Textbooks, essays, literature. How clear the thinking is. How elegantly ideas can be expressed. How empathetic the writer is. They know what I've thought, and they understand how to guide and engage.

And then going back to the slop. It's so demoralizing. Only a very, very slim percentage of people appreciate the difference between slop and a person.

>>2352018
All LLMs fall apart under any real scrutiny. It can superficially emulate but fundamentally has no understanding and loses track of things easily. You can trick them into saying just about anything. Ultimately AI is good enough for superficial conversations, regurgitating old essays and repeating flat genre stories but nothing in depth.

This will force people to talk more irl and actually make good literature as most people don't want to waste their time engaging with an overpowered toaster.

the ICT groomers are basically the DSA of leftcoms

>>2351683
not just the reactionary parts, all of it

>>2352018
counterpoint: I can ask deepseek about how to go about architecting a computer program i've been thinking about for a while, without a bunch of fat nerds on stackoverflow telling me "why would you want to do that?" and "don't do that, use *library* instead"

>>2351531
this is just a property of hexagons, learn geometry schizo

>>2351562
pizza is just the "throw the leftovers in the pan/oven/pot" dish that every culture has a variant of, stop entertaining the delusions of italians who want to make it a super special culture thing

>>2352094
No way that shit tastes good. Not even my poor third world family made dishes like that when I was a kid because they actually knew how to combine ingredients.

>>2352083
vague nonsense like 'culture' (without even specifying!) isnt a pressing concern to communists, sorry

>>2352097
all of humanity's greatest creations, being sapped of value is not a concern to communists? are you out of your mind?

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Your brain on third-worldism.

>>2352099
>being sapped of value
you are using value in the most humanistic and moralistic way possible, shut the fuck up retard and stop pretending to know what youre talking about

its amazing how leftard culture warriors will spout shit indistinguishable from roman bust pfps talking about how the west has fallen. what feelgood vibes-based reasoning does to an mf 💔

>>2352103
oh i'm sorry i think humanity shouldn't be forced to enjoy slop because it's not a "pressing concern for communists"

>>2351313
this is like if hitler one day looked at the camera and said "yes, I want to kill all the jews and genocide eurasia, and I'm doing all of this on behalf of the german industrial capitalists, who want to run an empire that rivals the united states. all that stuff about aryans and the german spirit? just bullshit. actually, jk jk lol I was being ironic, I still believe in the aryan spirit n shit"

like, how are you supposed to respond to that? she clearly knows WHAT she is, but also parodies it? fuckin weird

>>2351132
I wish she'd sit on my face tbh
>>2350823
>3 likes 1 comment
There's meth addled schizos, accounts posting futa furry slop, and fat onlyfans ethots who have a bigger following than this dude
>>2352088
True. No more self-absorbed chuds gatekeeping knowledge.
>Hi [insert LLM], can you explain this (badly and erroneously documented) function from [obscure library last updated four years ago] to me please?
<Sure here's a four paragraph explanation of how it works and an example you can test 😊 and if you have any follow up questions please let me know!
As opposed to some hostile fat mid 30s cheeto stained giga-tism mod either insulting you for being the most dimwitted retard to have ever graced this planet for having asked this question in the first place, and berating you for wasting everyone's time. Or immediately closing your thread for being off-topic, irrelevant, and not-your-personal-assistant.

>>2352099
No. AI is not destroying culture. What it is destroying is the gatekeeping mechanisms of a particular class of people who rely on acting as intermediaries between people and knowledge in order to survive.
People are still playing acoustic instruments after synthesizers were invented. The invention of film did not mean the end of theater. The existence of digital art and tools like GIMP and Photoshop does not mean people have stopped painting on canvasses.

The purpose of life is not to be "productive" and produce "commodities" for sale on the market. That's the sick twisted worldview of particular group of anglo protestants.
>There exist powerful beings that can do things people can't
Has never been an impediment for human culture even thousands of years ago when people believed Gods created the world and controlled everything from seasons to the rising and setting of the sun.

>>2352128
>[thing that got replaced by a mechanical reproduction] is the same thing as AI
this opinion is popular amongst "communists" and i have no knowledge for why you'd believe this, because it isn't true, the job of the painter wasn't abolished with the camera, true, but the difference is that generative ai is not like the camera, is not like the synthesizer, the synthesizer never fully replaced electric or acoustic instruments, because it could never do so, it served a fundamentally different role, but generative AI is more or less a black hole, it eats the fruits of human labor, and spits out mangled versions of it that are uglier and uglier by the day, and more wasteful, would it be in the communist's interest for example to oppose a mass poisoning of agriculture by a new technology, that turns all current plants into less nutritious, less valuable versions of what was put in?

>>2352131
Read Nuck Land and other CCRU shit, and know you ate absolutely correct anon

>>2352102
Third-worldism aside, why should communists waste their time trying to improve STEM education instead of actually organizing the working class?

>>2352131
>but generative AI is more or less a black hole, it eats the fruits of human labor, and spits out mangled versions of it that are uglier and uglier by the day, and more wasteful
This is all artistic endeavors under capitalism. Unless you think all the non-AI generated Marvel movies are some great art?

>>2352146
>Unless you think all the non-AI generated Marvel movies are some great art?
i don't, if anything you're agreeing with my point, since my point is that it's exactly in the communist's interest to care about the destruction of humanity's collective culture, because generative AI doesn't exist in a bubble, it is the result of capitalism's endless need to commodify everything in existence, which is why we should oppose it, many pseudo-leftcoms don't understand this and neither do many communists in general

You know in the 2013 sequel to The Thing, they had done the entire movie with practical effects. They did the entire movie with practical effects. People worked slaved over that shit. Because the original movie was well known for its fantastic practical effects, and those practical effects have absolutely stand at the test of time. But they replaced it with CGI, and this is 2013 CGI, so it's not the peak of CGI, you know. It's not the best, and it was done pretty quickly because they spent the entire filming using practical effects. So they're in post trying to make it work, and the movie is significantly worse as a result. Visual effects, CGI, is more or less an art form, and yet people are still upset at it replacing practical effects. Now you can extrapolate this out if you lack critical thinking, which you might lack critical thinking because the AI is done it for you. You should be able to extrapolate this out to why people don't like AI content. Why only people with severe retardation, people with literal coconut shell brains, like AI content. You can almost even imagine why this has become a culture war issue, and why right-wingers prefer AI content over human-drawn content, and they're willing to brag about it. It's because, ultimately, the CGI is cheaper. That's the only reason they care, and if you set the precedent that we'll do practical effects that are expensive for a big-budget film, we don't want that precedent to stick.

I couldn't imagine why someone would willingly subject themselves to an inferior product to own someone that they don't know on the internet. Literally, you're eating shit and looking up at us like, You mad bro? You don't wanna eat this? brother, GG Allin has been dead for a long time, you can cut the act.

>>2352152
and another difference with it to CGI is CGI can look fine, there's nothing wrong with it inherently, because it's its own thing, generative A"I" does nothing of the sort, it's slop, it can barely hold its shape like some melting shape-shifter, it's utterly worthless, there is no amount of polish to make it look good, because even if you can make it look half decent, you do so by expending more effort than it took the ga"I" to spit it out

>>2352153
because annoying social democrats attack it for bad reasons, and spite culture is big on the internet

>>2352131
Synthesizers were replicating the sounds of acoustic instruments 20 years ago. The Hartmann Neuron dates back to 2003.
What makes art meaningful, is what it means to the artist. (And to the audience, with art as a window into the world of the artist)
The paintings of the survivors of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are hardly photorealistic. In terms of artisan skill they do not compare to Rembrandt or Michelangelo, and yet it makes them no less meaningful or historically important.

I attribute this angst surrounding generative AI to the fear of (personal) obsolescence in a world which often feels like it's continuously emphasizing that our lives are only meaningful insofar as we are "productive".
Generative AI is a quaint gimmick, but it does not invalidate why I make art in the first place. Any more than much more (technically) skilled already existing artists did.

>>2352158
>Synthesizers were replicating the sounds of acoustic instruments 20 years ago. The Hartmann Neuron dates back to 2003.
yet they never replaced it, which is the point, the point is that i'm not saying any of these things are bad, what i'm saying is that these things are all fine because they are other tools, whereas generative a"I" being framed as such is downright misleading at best and most of the time is actively harmful, if you can flood the world with low quality garbage, and are actively incentivised to do so by capitalism itself, then human culture is put at stake, since there's less of a reason to produce stuff that's worth its weight in what it can do for people, that's the point of what i'm trying to convey, that it is important for a communist movement to acknowledge at the very least as a problem that communism WILL fix as it abolishes society as it presently exists

Endless porn spam on /pol/. annoying

>>2352150
I don't see why Generative AI should be opposed in particular, as opposed to the other "slop" generated by capitalism.
>>2352134
I've read Land, but I don't see how "Generative AI is bad" follows from Land's arguments
>>2352156
If I paint a painting by hand, and then figure out a prompt that allows an AI to generate the exact painting I made earlier, does that make the painting slop? What if it involves The Night Watch, the Last Supper, or the frescoes of the Sistine Chapel?

>>2352131
lol workers in the third world are calmly and non-hysterically using AI to reduce their workloads, while firstoids are hysterical.

Why? Because firstoids don't produce value, their only function is gatekeeping information and acting as "authorative voices", the two things AI erodes.

>>2352164
>I don't see why Generative AI should be opposed in particular, as opposed to the other "slop" generated by capitalism.
it is more immediately destructive
>If I paint a painting by hand, and then figure out a prompt that allows an AI to generate the exact painting I made earlier, does that make the painting slop? What if it involves The Night Watch, the Last Supper, or the frescoes of the Sistine Chapel?
an interesting hypothetical that has built in presumptions of generative a"i" that doesn't exist and i doubt will ever exist, the point is that you put something in of a varying quality, and there's an effective 100% chance that even if what you put in was bad, the generative a"i" will make it even worse
>>2352165
give an actual example

>>2352160
>this old new technology is ok because it's just another tool in the toolbox, but this new new techology is the end of the world and instrument of satan
lol

since when do imageboarders care about the internet getting flooded with with low quality garbage anyway? are you so presumptuous as to think that the collective output of a billion retards, in social media and comment sections and homepages, was worth anything in the first place, or are you just retarded?

>>2352170
i love how you're getting angry at the point i never made, which is that generative a"i" is only the latest in a line of problems, but is a good image for the general deterioration of quality in human culture

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oh look, I made a low effort picture
in fact, I can just generate millions of random low effort pictures just using my computer and an algorithm
i'm going to upload these to the internet en masse

oh wait, people have been doing what I'm describing for decades, but for some reason it didn't cause the end of the world and the value of art wasn't nullified
huh, weirc

>>2352177
>muh human culture
hitlerian rehetoric, I bet you're also a fan of Theodor L. "I hate jazz music and uyghurs" Adorno

>>2352179
no i'm not, i literally just mean the collective output of humanity in fields like literature, art, music, and film, but a nice strawman you made there

>>2352183
yes, and llms let you conveniently navigate said collective output.
what's the problem again?

>>2352160
>since there's less of a reason to produce stuff that's worth its weight in what it can do for people
But here's the thing, why is the the purpose of art it's ability to do things for others? That's the fundamental disagreement here: Whether any level of AI/capitalist slop can ever invalidate or obsolete non-AI generated/capitalist media, imagery, etc. As meaningful in itself.
Humans didn't invent the millions of species out there, and yet we can still find (rain) forests, mountains and coral reefs both beautiful and meaningful, both on a personal and cultural level.

This also reminds of some drama from 20+ years ago, during the early-ish days of digital art. Where some people argued (in regards to pixel art) that using plugins to convert images into pixel art invalidated the artistic value of the images.
You write that Generative AI >>2352166 is "more immediately destructive" but why? The only thing I can think of that makes it uniquely destructive is vis-a-vis artisanal skill. The same way that the invention of photography "cheapened" the prestige and "value" of landscape painting, and botanical and natural history illustration which many artists relied upon at the time to make a living.
But this did not end either of those categories either. And for some it was an impetus for moving away from "realism" towards romanticism, impressionism, expressionism, and other later forms and styles (cubism, surrealism, etc).
Anyway what I'm trying to hint at here is that the cultural and personal "value" of art has never been dependent (solely) on its ability to be (re)produced mechanically.


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