/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Any predictions on the next imperialist hotspot in the world? I mean apart from Ukraine, Gaza and Venezuela.

Dugin thinks MAGAcoms and the general anti-Zionist Left should have a tactical alliance with Nick Fuentes.

You guys can be almost as toxic as /pol/, but I like you far better than the average idiotic poltard and I think I can learn a couple of things from you.

>>2567230
Left anti-communist position. Khruschev and Brezhnev have their flaws but they brought the socialist camp to the height of its power and influence. Wild how supposed "real communists" sound indistinguishable from Trotskyites and anarkiddies on this.

>>2567230
>>2567236
Marx spoke of this

>>2567241
It pains me that I am geopolitically on the same side as these people. But I still hold my nose and accept them because that's how much I hate Western imperialism.

>>2567241
Where’s the lie?

>>2567255
It's not like you have to openly associate with them. Nobody who we're trying to reach on questions of imperialism knows who tf Dugin is.

/pol/ cannot detect an edit if their life depended on it. It's fun using ai and changing post.

We need social-imperialism back

>>2567266
It can't come back if it never existed in the first place.

>>2567072
>anything-but-revolution-praxis-enjoyer crying about class-collaborationism
lol you cant make this shit up

>>2567249
Khrushchev was the left anti-communist to end all left anti-communists. He was a Trotskyite snake who schmoozed and murdered his way into the highest echelons of power and used it to betray the Union to revisionism and set the stage for its collapse out of petty Hohol nationalism. But I guess it’s no surprise the settler colonist defends his legacy

Modern China would never to something like this btw

>>2567174
wow it's almost like developing the MoPs is a good thing. but imperialism is against that. the entire point of imperialism is to not have to develop the MoPs in the third world, to keep OCC low, so as to maintain a high RoP. it's like you think the creation of use-values is some kind of zero-sum game
>if thirdies don't benefit that means firsties do!
fucking crab ass mentality

>>2567275
>betray the Union to revisionism
Sorry m8, I can't take accusations of "revisionism" seriously since they came from the guy who literally made an alliance with the US to own the Soviets a few years later.
>set the stage for its collapse
The USSR hadn't even reached its zenith in Khruschev's tenure wtf are you smoking. It was still undergoing dynamic growth and advancement at the time of his removal.

The attacks on him always fundamentally unserious and rarely based on anything concrete. To the extent that he does deserve criticism it's never over anything that could seriously be called a dismantling of socialism (sorry, but unjustified attacks on Stalin are not an abandonment of socialism). Meanwhile he vastly improved the living standards of Soviet workers, cemented the USSR's position as the prime benefactor of progressive forces worldwide, brought it to new heights of technological development, cemented socialist power and crushed counter revolution in Eastern Europe, and expanded the borders of the socialist camp.

>>2567284
>>2567275
>But I guess it’s no surprise the settler colonist defends his legacy
Also funny you mention this since Stalin supported the creation of Israel while Khruschev armed and supported the anti-Zionist forces lmao.

>>2567276
your quote supports my point dumbass
a western burger flipper doesn't produce more value because he has a better grill, he works 8 to 12 hours like everybody else, countless more workers down the chain have contributed more value to the final burger, such as farm workers in brazil growing the beef and workers in russia growing the wheat and so on.

but the western burger flipper gets paid more because his cost of reproduction is higher and he's at the end of the chain

>>2567285
stalinbros…

>>2567287
>farmers growing the beef
uh…

>>2567287
>but the western burger flipper gets paid more because his cost of reproduction is higher
If the cost of reproduction is higher then this means his real wages aren't necessarily higher.

>>2567284
mao went retarded in his later years, it's why deng had to save chinese socialism by purging the ultras and returning to orthodox marxism

>>2567290
>farm workers
are you american because you seem to be illiterate

>>2567293
>it's why deng had to save chinese socialism by purging the ultras and returning to orthodox marxism
Deng cemented and deepened the alliance with the US and even started backing anti-communist forces in Afghanistan and Angola.

>>2567293
>farm workers growing beef
uh…

>>2567291
the cost of reproduction includes his mcmansion and and 50 liters per km car and inefficient transportation system and 401k and insurance and land to grow more useless ecology killing lawns on, and taxes for unprofitable prisons to put black people in
all of this is money westerners pay EACH OTHER, it's why it's expensive

on the other hand, the commodities produced in the global south and in china are cheap, often cheaper than in the global south itself

>>2567294
Fun fact: the reason why the Uyghur regions had an Islamic extremism problem through the 90s and 2000s was because the prc took in a bunch of reactionary islamic preachers and settled them in xinjiang during the soviet-Afghan war

>>2567298
>everyone in the west is rich
another thread ruined

>>2567298
You don't actually think burger flippers live in mcmansions and have a 401k do you? Please tell me you're not this out of touch.

>>2567287
>countless more workers down the chain have contributed more value to the final burger
have they? what is the price of the inputs of burger? are the workers that produced them able to reproduce themselves with the price their labour power fetches on the market? almost surely they are
>but the western burger flipper gets paid more because his cost of reproduction is higher and he's at the end of the chain
the value of labour power is higher in the North yes. we also see plenty of cases where Northern labour power gives off more value than Southern ditto. a McDonald's worker in the South isn't paid the same as in the North, because the value of labour power in the South is lower. they aren't performing the same job: one is flipping burgers in the North, the other in the South

>>2567301
The best part about third worldists is when they start talking like a Radio Free Europe broadcast trying to get people to defect across the Iron Curtain.

>>2567305
false nuke, the best part about third worldists is how they live rent free in /USApol/'s head

>>2567308
>how they live rent free in /USApol/'s head
Sorry Anon, but that phrase doesn't apply when there's an actual one here shitting up the place with their nonsense. If there's a retard in front of you acting retarded they don't "live rent free in your head" just because you told them to stop.

I had forgot my Discord account's password, and it just doesn't send me the password reset email for no visible reason. Had checked my spam folder - nothing there. To submit Discord support ticket, you need a password, and I had heard their tech support is crap anyways. What can I do?

>>2567312
stop being a Discord used

>>2567301
>if the westerners aren't rich by global standards then my strategy of workerism and tailing the middle class doesn't work! noooooo I must reject reality and substitute my own

>>2567302
burger flippers are settler youth moving to urban areas for careers and education while they accumulate their mcmansions and 401ks, their parents have the mcmansions and gas guzzlers until they acquire their own and move to the suburbs

>>2567303
>value of labour power
moron. labor power is the CAPACITY FOR WORK, it's the abstract ability to perform any kind of work, it's the same for all workers in the economy, it denotes the human capacity for adaptation and creativity itself
what you're essentially saying is misusing marxist terminology to claim that the reason global southerners earn less money is because they're in some way subhuman and aren't capable of the same type of work as westerners

>>2567315
>their parents have the mcmansions and gas guzzlers until they acquire their own and move to the suburbs
Except that young people are locked out of even modest home ownership through exorbitant prices and low wages. Seriously, you are delusional in how out of touch you are. The wage of the average service worker is often barely above subsistence.

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>>2567318
False. Their parents are just dying a bit later, home ownership among millenials is already 50%

Internet spectacle?

>>2567315
>it's the same for all workers in the economy
yes, but its value varies by location and time. Marx says so in vol III. labour power is a commodity and like all commodities it has a value. and much like water in a desert has higher value then water near a spring, because it takes labour to transport water into a desert, so too can the value of labour power itself fluctuate across space and time. this is laid out in vol III which you'd known if you'd read it. but you haven't.

>>2567328
Yeah and China has a 90% overall home ownership rate while the US is only 65%, and its significantly lower for young people. From this we can conclude that Chinese workers are parasites feeding off the misery of the global south and benefiting from imperialism.

>>2567332
>China has a 90% overall home ownership rate
I've never understood this stat. Are Americans significantly more likely to live in apartments than Chinese? 90% in my mind makes me think that China must be even more surburban than the US

getting a good laugh at Grok being programmed to dickride elon musk

>>2567330
Yes, and you seem to think that this fluctuation is "fair", when intentional underdevelopment IS the engine of accumulation.
You have the bourgeois mindset of thinking that capitalism maximizes some kind of "fairness" or "development" when it's chiefly concerned with ACCUMULATION.
That's the contradiction of capitalism, that it develops production DESPITE itself as a BYPRODUCT of its drive for accumulation, and is constantly torn between accumulation and development, which reduces the rate of profit.
That's why capitalism is irrational, and the cause of countless immiseration, chiefly that of the global south
Marx's is a CRITIQUE of capitalism, that human creative potential is being squandered by uneven development, yours is a JUSTIFICATION.

>>2567332
First of all, legally speaking they don't so much own the land / houses as they get a license to live there.
Second, wealth doesn't directly correspond to quality of life. Chinese housing is socialized, they live in apartments, their homes are CHEAPER due to socialist planning. They have urban planning, trains, etc.
Their reproduction is cheaper because it is more efficiently produced.

Westerners are WEALTHIER and their homes are worth more even if they're made out of cardboard because they do retarded shit like sprawling outside the cities, wasting 50% of the land on useless grass that they then pour countless of liters of fresh water onto, then building gigantic highways into the cities, on which they drive on their inefficient gas guzzling cars.
Again, capitalism ISN'T efficient, it isn't FAIR, under capitalism the whole world's labor can be employed on producing mostly waste, AS LONG it makes profit for a capitalist class.
mud cakes, if you will.

>>2567357
>First of all, legally speaking they don't so much own the land / houses as they get a license to live there.
That's essentially true of the US too since until they pay off the mortgage its for all intents and purposes the bank's house.
>Second, wealth doesn't directly correspond to quality of life.
Yeah that's kind of my point. You can't just compare raw numbers for wages and claim that this proves anything. You need to account for the costs of labour reproduction.

This is all moot anyway since you clearly moved the goalposts when you talk about burger flippers living in mcmansions in one breath and then admit that you're not actually talking about actual burger flippers and their actual houses, but the hypothetical mcmansions that they could hypothetically afford with their hypothetical future jobs. The reality is that actual burger flippers in America are paid below subsistence levels since minimum wages fall far short of living wages.
https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/livable-wage-by-state

>>2567340
Like 35% of houses in america are rentals

>>2567357
>First of all, legally speaking they don't so much own the land / houses as they get a license to live there.
>>2567364
>That's essentially true of the US too since until they pay off the mortgage its for all intents and purposes the bank's house.
It's completely true. You don't actually own the house in the US. You only have a lease really because you have to pay the government rent on the land forever, and if you stop paying they'll repossesses it.

> Michigan saw over 150,000 tax foreclosures between 2013 and 2018
https://www.newamerica.org/future-land-housing/reports/displaced-america/housing-loss-and-poor-data/
https://pacificlegal.org/in-13-states-its-legal-for-governments-to-steal-your-home-equity/#:~:text=The%20situation%20in%20Michigan%2C%20where%20Uri%20Rafaeli,more%20than%20150%2C000%20properties%20for%20unpaid%20taxes.

>>2567364
>until they pay off the mortgage its for all intents and purposes the bank's house
until it isn't. then they can speculate on its value, which is the important part. you're doing sleight of hand.

You're the one who moved the goalposts by moving the conversation from the general to the specific.
Why split hairs over individual workers and their specificities, the hypothetical poor burger flipper still pays other westoids who DO have the mcmansions, and the fact that the individual worker still has his parents' basement to move back to is worth a lot. global southerners just starve. the burger flipper doesn't earn a livable wage by the standards of living by themselves, which is not normal by global standards.
the important distinction here is the cost of reproduction is the cost of reproduction OF THEIR CLASS. the proletarian reproduces his very existence if he fails he dies, the westerner reproduces his western lifestyle, if he fails he has to suffer the indignity of moving back to mom's and trying again later. not to mention they can "earn below a livable wage" and still get help from mom and pops while they try to "make it big in the city"
the idea of someone having "below livable wage" and not… ceasing to live, lmao. Stop using bourgeois terms that mystify the real relations.

And you're also being disingenuous by comparing the west to china. Chinese on average earn the global median wage, and also have the benefit of socialist planning to increase their quality of life. They produce most of the world's crap and still manage to ensure good QoL for themselves because socialism is that good.

Compare the west to fucking cobalt miners in africa.

Fun fact, the state with the lowest livable wage is West Virginia, where you need roughly $40k annually just to afford basic necessities. More than 20% of American households make less than this, meaning somewhere between 1/5 and 1/5 of American workers is paid below subsistence levels even by the standards of the poorest state.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/203183/percentage-distribution-of-household-income-in-the-us/