>>2801447What good would freeing him do?
>>2801438The internet is a series of echo chambers, it’s the opposite of mass, it’s individualized content that’s neoliberal in form and in character
>>2801447I thought he was in Colorado
>>2801357I'm actually okay with this if Haz convinces this guy to stop being a rightoid and leave his meth and crack addiction.
>>2801500Probably just some fool in a parasocial relationship with youtubers
>>2801443By boycotting Haz/Hinkle/the ACP leftist content creators are proving them right. "They are too afraid to debate us" seems true when they just try to give them either the silent treatment or just call them fascists which is really lazy. If Haz is really just some troglodyte fascist/Strasserist/Duginist shouldn't it be easy for people who make 1 hour video essays where they pretend to be smart and well-read to just push back or debunk them? Vijay Prashad didn't know Hinkle, had a completely normal discussion with him, and then his leftoid audience scolded him and he had to soyrage about Hinkle for no fucking reason.
Mark Fisher's Vampire Castle is an old work now, but still relevant I guess. It looks really bad for online leftists to be afraid of the ACP when IRL communists have no problems marching with them, even Trots, as recently shown in a joined ACP/RCA rally.
>>2800373Hasan was already making in excess of $250k
monthly average on Twitch back in 2021. That didn't count donations back then and is just one source of income. No doubt he has many investments and his family has the means to manage a large fortune like that. He's probably far richer than most people picture him.
And given how much of a DNC asset he's turned out to be, unsurprisingly, I'd bet on Hasan is gonna be on a tight leash during this trial period. I dunno if that leash is made of child rape, but there is certainly gonna be something, if he intends to keep climbing the DNC ladder.
>>2801178>>2801189The CIA has no ideological red lines, only American hegemony. They happily fund communists when it suits their political goals, although they would prefer some fascist contras but such types are not always available with popular support (and even the CIA can't just magically create that, at least not in the short term, they can over decades of infiltration, like the Ukrainian nationalist movement that took power in 2014).
Global South communists are not holy saints who are immune to be instrumentalized. The Communist Party of Iraq supported the 2003 American invasion.
>>2801526I agree with this, ACP are tailist and opportunist but just for the other bourgeois party. Which I think is a necessary, it creates pressure on both fronts and forces the bourgeois to have to combat socialism and anti-imperialsim from every side.
>>2801526Leftoids would rather see the Republicans in power for the next 100 years than the ACP to be in power for 8, which says everything.
>>2801531I had hopes for Hasan when Trump's second term started, he seemed genuinely upset and done with the Dems. Now at the midterms he is running around campaigning uncritically for the likes of Cory Bush. Sad.
Just watch his interview with Varoufakis, Varoufakis is neither super radical nor super principled, and he genuinely asks him why he even tries to influence the Dems, he had no answer.
>>2801526>Guise you need to invite the person who shat on the pool again, to the party>Otherwise you are proving them right, when they shit themselves on poolsExcept you have already invited them a dozen times. And the fucker keeps shitting the pool for clout on social media.
>>2801534I mean, I can endlessly critique the dumb things Haz has said and written over the years, but I give the ACP this: They are young and motivated, and don't give a shit about political correctness, which is more than I can say for CPUSA (which kinda vanished from the face of the earth since like two years or so?) or the PSL (which invited neocon Kat Abrakadabrachewbacka to the People's Forum). Obviously for a proper representation of the American people, they need more women to stave off the incel allegations and generally some people from more diverse backgrounds, most of their photos are like five white dudes in suits.
I'm willing to give them a chance, why not, we don't have the luxury of being choosey, and I saw some decent people in the ACP who do not display Haz's and Hinkle's whacky mannerisms.
>>2801526>By boycotting Haz/Hinkle/the ACP leftist content creators are proving them right. "They are too afraid to debate us" seems true when they just The reason they do this is because they're trying to get attention and advertise their org and gain recruits. Haz and Hinkle are streamers (and also provocateurs) who are competing with the other leftist "content creators" for the same audience. So the other "content creators" can either have them on even though they're directly competing with each other or ignore them which they'll use to say people are afraid of them.
>as recently shown in a joined ACP/RCA rally.Well it's very unlikely they planned that together, like you know how these things happen, they just showed up to the same May Day march. In my experience (albeit very particular and locally) it has always been kind of goofy because the AFL-CIO would actually organize the May Day event and bring out a crowd of (predominantly middle-aged, black) members of the AFT and SEIU and then six different Marxist groups would show up, each with maybe five people. I came away with the impression that the more of these groups there are, the less relevant it all is politically.
>>2801538Haz debated some leftists when he was still just a streamer. Now, when he's a bit more serious with the ACP and stuff, he gets boycotted but not criticized properly, the only substantial critique I saw was that long-ass article from this Geese Magazine.
Controversy also brings viewers and popularity. If Haz would go on The Deprogram podcast or on Hasan it would go super viral, stir a lot of constructive debate, I do believe that.
Instead he has to go on some crackhead neonazi podcast like that of Jake Shields, which nobody really has the nerve to watch for two hours straight.
>>2801540>The reason they do this is because they're trying to get attention and advertise their org and gain recruits. and this is le bad?
>>2801543I mean it makes sense for them, but if you weren't in the ACP then why would you have them on.
Breakthrough News for example is a PSL outfit. Why would they advertise an org that is trying to poach their membership.
>>2801540>The reason they do this is because they're trying to get attention and advertise their org and gain recruits. Like every other content creator who is a front for the organization they are part of? BE is also a massive provocateur, albeit he has no organization he's part of, and no responsibility in that regard. Also I think you are exaggerating, they provoke but in their individual streams (Infrared with Haz, Legitimate Targets with Hinkle) they don't shill for the ACP nearly as intense and you seem to insinuate.
>So the other "content creators" can either have them on even though they're directly competing with each otherWhen they have no organization behind them they only compete with viewers, and more often than not they are shared mutually and boosted mutually when you have such a persona non grata like Haz on.
>Well it's very unlikely they planned that together, like you know how these things happen, they just showed up to the same May Day marchI'm not American but from my organizational experience it is almost always discussed beforehand with whom you march, in what block you march, etc. - often in excruciating detail, even in autonomous/anarchistic groups, let alone Leninist cadre organizations. We had two hour debates in my party whether or not we would march in a block with a particular group.
>>2801547Because their org has been fucking successful?
>>2801551>I'm not American but from my organizational experience it is almost always discussed beforehand with whom you march, in what block you march, etc. Then people seem much more organized and discerning where you're from. I think in the U.S. the reality is more often that the Marxist groups just show up at the march and pull out signs. The labor people in my city couldn't even get enough people for a march so they'd have a rally / event in a park and different groups would set up tents and tables with their literature on it, and there was some coordination there because the groups would pay a small fee to the AFL-CIO for a space (except one of the Trot groups which promised to pay and then didn't lol).
>>2801552>Because their org has been fucking successful?Tbh I used to care more about the differences between these groups, but now these groups more and more look pretty similar to me. I'm talking about the sectarian left. There being just another Marxist sect that marches around with Stalin banners and is hostile to all the other ones isn't really anything different.
>>2801581Nick Fuentes is more of a threat to the system than Hasan
>>2801593neither nick fuentes, nor hasan, nor epsteiny
>>2801581AIPAC knows well if they promote a liberal zionist democrat collaborator as a "extremist" they are siphoning attention from actual ""left wing extremists"" (Read: marxist-leninists/maoists/anti-revisionists).
They ofc know hasan is a ziodog grifter but still keep attacking him because he is part of a approved compatible left instead of actual leftists
>>2801635dude maoists, mls/anti-revisionists are nothing, no one cares about them, if they were a threat they'd already be destroyed
>>2801539Once again im agreeing, expect for the women part. The best case scenario for the ACP is recreating the trump 2024 coalition. Young unemployed or underemployed men, the uneducated and small business tyrants. If the ACP could bring those people along in a united front with the DSAs coaltion then we got an actual political party with weight behind that could challenge both parties and or organize outside the election system itself. They can be the DSA-ACP party and the do like the democrat-republican and divorce afterwards but im at the point of backing anyone that can challenge the republocrat criminal cartel. The American political landscape for the last 40 years has been
>do you want woke austerity/imperialism or unwoke austerity/imperialism. It's would be a billion times better if we could have woke socialism/anti-imperlisim vs unwoke socialism/anti-imperialism jnstead.
>>2801660None of that will happen and you need to go outside
>>2801558>except one of the Trot groups which promised to pay and then didn't lolThey decided not to pay once the iPad got flipped around they asked for a tip lmao
>>2801423well I didn't want to listen to the podcast, but given how ridiculous became this conversation, after listen to it, you can see why no one invites them to a podcast:
Haz:
>34:59>people are confused about what communism is. So, communism is, first of all, a guiding principle. It's not necessarily>a specific form of how society is um is organized in the sense of like uh it>looks a certain way specifically. It's more like it's run in a certain way.> It's not necessarily a specific form of how society is um is organized ??????It's the dictatorship of the proletariat, it's necessarily a specific form of how society is organized.
to be honest, it's pure cacophony. I can't withstand psue intellectualism disguised as communist rhetoric, made to appease a specific spectrum of the society, that will simply create a brown-red alliance.
>>2801443>While lefty podcasts are more concerned with optics and moralizing?no, actual communist spaces recognize bullshit.
As I quoted here:
>>2801715>>2801447I haven't seen the acp organizing a rally for the release of Maduro in New York.
Have they?
>>2801581what a load of bullcrap. literally the congress passed a resolution to condemn Hasan. nick fuentes? nimarata nikki randhawa haley's son uses a hoodie of nick fuentes while hanging out with tucker carlson.
the powerful doesn't use Hasan's Piker merch.
>>2801531he already declared that america's main contradiction is race war.
he's a pseud, and a pseud only.
>>2801727And he’s correct, you cannot divorce class from racial politics in any settler colonial country, which is why they’re the most reactionary and biggest bulwarks against socialism
>>2801778America’s Bachir Gemayel
>>2801773USA isnt a settler colonial country. It was one, but its done, it has been fully settled and colonised well over a century ago.
>>2801786There are still reservations and there is still ongoing land theft and exploitation
>>2801836It’s not really idpol when these identity markers end up with very material effects
>>2801789Not exactly a matter of national importance anymore. Cmon, dont be disingenuous.
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