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A thread focused on discussing the parasocial relationships cultivated by the Almighty Algorithm to generate profit off of our atomization and society's commodification of petty internet drama.
Brace through the hyper-real lacanian void together!

Reminder That None of This Is Real!
ɢʀᴀʙ ᴀ ᴘᴀɪʀ ᴏꜰ sᴘᴇᴄᴛᴀᴄʟᴇs

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CORE THEORY
>The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord
📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ

<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin

📖 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq9sCIyXgA

>The Culture Industry from Dialectic of Enlightenment (1944) by Theodore Adorno & Max Horkheimer

📓 • https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1944/culture-industry.htm
📖 • https://libcom.org/article/dialectic-enlightenment-philosophical-fragments-theodor-adorno-and-marx-horkheimer
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hSLdd8R8mY

<Understanding Media (1964) by Marshall McLuhan

📖 • https://designopendata.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/05/understanding-media-mcluhan.pdf
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ML9n5f1fE

>One-Dimensional Man (1964) by Herbert Marcuse

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/one-dimensional-man-studies-ideology-advanced-industrial-society-herbert-marcuse
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCoLbEkAqs

<Discipline and Punish (1975) by Michel Foucault

📖 • https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michel-foucault-discipline-and-punishment
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s82uU4iRuko

>Simulacra and Simulation (1981) by Jean Baudrillard

📖 • https://dn720006.ca.archive.org/0/items/baudrillard.-1970.-the-consumer-society/Baudrillard.1981.Simulacra-and-Simulation.pdf
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yxg2_6_YLs

<Manufacturing Consent (1988) by Edward S. Herman & Noam Chomsky

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/manufacturing-consent-political-economy-mass-media-noam-chomsky-and-edward-s-herman
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M

>The Sublime Object of Ideology (1989) by Slavoj Zizek

📖 • https://altexploit.wordpress.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/slavoj-zizek-the-sublime-object-of-ideology-second-edition-the-essential-zizek-2009.pdf
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIckkHsUQ4

<Postscript on the Societies of Control (1990) by Gilles Deleuze

📖 • https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gilles-deleuze-postscript-on-the-societies-of-control
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4Cq_-bLlY

>Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism (1991) by Fredric Jameson

📖 • https://www.are.na/block/4114741
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4k26xGx1zI

<Spectres of Marx (1993) by Jacques Derrida

📖 • https://libcom.org/library/specters-marx-jacques-derrida
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJr0NwXWb6Q

>Capitalist Realism (2009) by Mark Fisher

📖 • https://libcom.org/article/capitalist-realism-mark-fisher
📺 • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cb5XJH4NMI

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SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL

>Precursor Material to Post-modernity and Critical Theory

📖 • Karl Marx - Book 1, Chapter 4 of Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (1844)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm
📺 • Why Marx Was Right: Alienation - PlasticPills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPRxxN4Kh30

📖 • Georg Lukács - Chapter 4 of History and Class Consciousness (1923)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/hcc05.htm
📺 • Marxism After Marx: Reification - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZiI-QKxBKI

📖 • Antonio Gramsci - Book 1, Chapter 1 of Selections from the Prison Notebooks (1929)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci/prison_notebooks/problems/intellectuals.htm
📺 • Hegemony: WTF? An introduction to Gramsci and cultural hegemony - Tom Nicholas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LI_2-qsovo

📖 • Louis Althusser - Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses (1970)
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm
📺 • Althusser's Concept of Ideology: A Discussion with Anthony Gavin - Acid Horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtOqXxkKwvw


<Documentaries

The Society of the Spectacle (1974) by Guy Debord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjF6I6SYjgA

Manufacturing Consent (1992) by Mark Achbar & Peter Wintonick, with Noam Chomsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2m3rvsO0I

The Pervert's Guide to Cinema (2006) and The Pervert's Guide to Ideology (2012) by Sophie Fiennes, with Slavoj Zizek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYuI4SFw4g0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBcFLmu_tlc

HyperNormalisation (2016) by Adam Curtis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bv3Tr3jvZM&rco


>Easy-Bake Breadtube (for absolute beginners)

We're All Fake Now - Wisecrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTW1mPOJJ_Y

Are Cell Phones Replacing Reality? - PBS Idea Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AXIAM7dTTg

The Cultural Significance of Cyberpunk - Cuck Philosophy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvor7hhDKTs

Introduction to Critical Theory for the 21st Century - Nathan Dufour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7stVZPGxIw

The Work of Art in the Age of Surveillance Capitalism - Brendan Morris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNKiBJJFXZI


<Situationist Archives

https://situationist.org/
https://notbored.org/SI.html
https://bopsecrets.org/SI/index.htm

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RECOMMENDED OP-EDS
I Don’t Want to Be an Internet Person by Ginevra Davis
https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/11/04/i-do-not-want-to-be-an-internet-person/

Pluralistic: Tiktok's enshittification by Cory Doctorow
https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys

Facebook's Threads is so depressing by Jason O. Gilbert
https://jogblog.substack.com/p/facebooks-threads-is-so-depressing
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>>2652021
No Shea not, she's a content creator

Thoughts?

>>2652039
West is greater evil.


>>2652039
It was only 20 years ago that women getting drugged and raped at any hs or college social gathering was just something so commonplace people talked about it as a matter of fact

>>2652039
>the genocide […] of women
more buzzword salad

>>2651861
He was drunk but dropping trukes.

>>2652039
Retarded contrarianism. The West's treatment of women is nowhere near as good as it should be, but the de jure enforcement of patriarchal norms in Islamic theocracies is obviously historically regressive compared to the de facto oppression of women under liberalism.

>>2652041
"Greater/lesser evil" thinking only applies when deciding who to support during a conflict. You can support Iran as a lesser evil while also talking about its flaws honestly.

>>2652039
It's a nuanced thing where women are treated better in some ways and worse in other ways, but nuance is dead I guess.

>>2651933
I purposefully avoid her because I'll fall in love.

>>2652039
Why is it impossible to just admit women are treated like shit basically everywhere on Earth?
Trying to compare pedo rape islands and constant sexualisation vs honor killings and prison for not wearing a hijab correctly is stupid

>>2652136
Give me three ways that women are treated better in Iran versus the United States. I would love to hear your examples truly

>>2652154
Small people love making everything a team sport. I don't really know why this is the case, but it's something I've found to generally be true.

>>2652136
>>2652155
This uygha is going to bring up Iran paying for MtF transition surgeries, guarantee it

>>2652155
They have better abortion rights than in the USA, for one.
>>2652180
Sure, that too.

Not even a natcap cuck but I'm pretty certain the US has a higher femicide rate than Iran simply for being the United States as well as Asian countries in general being less homicidal than the Americas broadly.

Yep lol - Burgerreich outdoes Iran in both homicide rate and femicide rate, and that's according to "western" statistical institutions:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide_rate
>US: 5.763
>Iran: 2.421
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Femicide
>US: 2.9
>Iran: 1.1

>Sources:

https://data.unodc.org/datareport/hom-victim
https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/femicide-rates-by-country

You can never trust antiimperialists, who need to pretend like all states which become targets of imperialism are more morally rightous than the imperialist states. They often turn into insane neocons later in life, once the cognitiv dissonance becomes unbearable. Many such cases in the past.

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January 17th 1961. Belgium and other European capitalists conspired to kill a revolutionary, pan-African leader, shifting history forever.
[hip-hop, rap]

https://music.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLSvAKNUwCtXrPiF0JsmsdT7tMNdDGRz-W

https://houdinimagazine.com/playlists

>>2652295
Campism is a Trot concept, so it tracks.

>>2652295
>morally
Well it's that outlook, innit? If it's all the same, if it's all PR and idealism eventually one gets disillusioned or… good at the game, cynical. At that point, may as well join the winning team and reap the benefits. If its just words and vibes, some words and vibes pay better than others.

>>2651933
>she has some sort of taxidermy fetish
Some people are just freaked out by taxidermy because of horror movies. This has happened to a few hobbies over the years. Doll making, miniature houses and even hunting are now seen as "creepy."
>>2652053
Not sure how common it actually was. It did happen but a large part of the story was religious conservatives hyping up crimes in order to convince young women never to do drugs, go to parties and have sex. Feminists jumped on the narrative for their own ends.

>>2652295
I have never seen this happening. I don't think you know what neo-conservatism means. I have however observed many so called anti-campists turn into rabid neo-cons that cheered on American interventions falling for the le human rights meme.

>>2652295
>They often turn into insane neocons later in life
Examples?

Watch this video

>>2652295
I get your point that there's so many annoying and intellectually disabled campists who believe anyone who was suffered at all because of the west ever in history is therefore eternally morally infallible.
You end up with the type of clownery you sometimes see here and on xitter where people defend the Taliban as "AES".
That said anti imperialism is the correct stance. One should be anti imperialist without being a campist. For some reason far too many people can't handle this distinction.
And the leftist to neocon pipeline was exclusively a trotskyite thing rather than a anti imperialist thing as far as I'm aware.
>>2652460
NTA anon but if he's referring to the Trot to Neocon pipeline some more famous examples include Irving Kristol, Sidney Hook, James Burnham, Christopher Hitchens.

>>2652039
This person is right. It is much better to be in Iran, where women belong to a functional society with purpose greater than themselves, than in dissolute capitalist West where you become nothing but a GDP producing prole robot
>>2652197
Absolutely no. In the decadent warmongering west abortion is an expression of alienated individualism, and you can get an abortion on demand. (Le my body my choice). In Iran abortion is a purely medical option to save women from potentially fatal pregnancies. You dont need to appeal the West and its bourgeois framework of prioritizing individual narcissism above everything

>>2652583
This also applies to gender reassignment surgery in Iran. You only get that if you suffer from gender dysphoria. An AGP who gets aroused at the idea of him being a woman don't get to divert resources from someone who actually suffers from gender dysphoria just because they have more money and the system bends over backward to satiate their individual perversions at the expense of disabled persons

>>2652520
LMAAAAOOOO

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Lol

>>2652583
>In the decadent warmongering west abortion is an expression of alienated individualism, and you can get an abortion on demand. (Le my body my choice).
Have you been living under a rock? They're forcing women to die from unsalvagable pregnancies because doctors aren't allowed to risk damaging the fetus.
>In Iran abortion is a purely medical option to save women from potentially fatal pregnancies.
Also not true, they allow abortions in situations of rape as well (which they don't in America anymore).
If you're gonna larp, at least try.

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Lol

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>clavicular: "Yo Nick, I'm gonna bring some Girls over for you"

Nick fuentes - "Nah, I'm good"


Lol

>>2652717
>>2652685
The League of Extraordinary Tossers

>>2652705
Ok you're really shitting me here. Yes, rape as well. My fucking point is that the Western ideal about "my body my choice" is not present in Iran because THAT IS NOW HOW PEOPLE SEE IT THERE.
>Umm you don't mention about abortion in case of incest so you're larping
Shut the fuck up bitch thats not what i mean, and you know thats now what i mean when i made that post. Dont play word games so you can avoid my main point

>>2652794
>>2652583
Iranian bourgeois and especially their children don't agree with you. They are all about decadence.

>>2652799
Yes that's why they all went to fucking Canada and larps as based anti imperialists there who pretended that the Islamic system is no degenerating and that there is no rejuvenation needed to save the state. At this point i'd prefer NIAC to take over because they at least present the possibility of reforming the state without collapsing it

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>>2652774
This year in the magazine we have plans to feature a variety of women as models. Of course the large majority of the internet left doesn't have any love for sex workers of any sort, and has a very puritan view of sexuality that I've always thought is alien to the reality of the masses, or atleast those engaged in alternative lifestyles. A lot of it is madonna/whore complex driven, and despite claims otherwise, many are restricted by their protestant christian views on these topics, even if they don't or never did identify as such, the superstructure still influences.

I want to create a strong juxaposition between the inceldom of the right wing, the redpill "men going their own way" misogyny that ultimately alienates young men from the very thing they seek with a sex positive narrative that says "look at the life style you could have if you had some fucking principles". I have never really liked the puritan outlook the online left has on social workers (read: you can get banned from the deprogram subreddit if you are one). Literally have been approached by numerous women about being in the magazine, all ideologically aligned women mind you, and I've consistently made the editorial choice to turn this down. I've always been afraid of allegations of "working for the male gaze" or "male chauvism" in regards to doing that, while also fearing the backlash from the online left for having that sort of content in the magazine.

But I know a few women who would love to do that sort of thing for the magazine, and my literal editorial partner is a lesbian woman telling me that its a good idea, so you know, fuck it, let's do it. Being a rightoid is so uncool.

>>2652587
you say that as if hormones and like two surgeries at worst would kill any medical system
also there aren't that many fetishists in the first place to "steal" surgeons away from the diseased,it's a non-problem unless you have evidence (or you just meant it hypothetically)

>>2652811
Well, gender dysphoria isn't just a "one surgery and done" situation. It requires continuous observation with an endocrinologist and a therapist. Doubly so if it is with a minor who suffers from gender dysphoria. When a non-dysphoric trans person transition you are not only taking hormones but also this intensive psychiatric and professional support. This is not to mention other, non trans patients who also need hormone therapy, i.e women who suffers from severe and unhealthy menopause.

Look, i know i was getting too much in original reply. Obviously the Islamic Republic's system is not perfect and i do not think we should emulate the Taliban or Savonarola's social model. There is no problem with satisfying your individual fetishes or desires, and it many cases these are necessary to stabilize communal harmony.
But i draw the line when your individual preferences are taking priorities from people who actually need it. And this is the problem with the West's approach to identity: "umm you are whoever you say you are sweetie" no, i respectfully disagree. I think if you want to transition because of some sexual fetish you are not as valid as someone actually suffering from crippling, life disabling gender dysphoria

>>2652809
I wonder what the sentiment among the youth is actually like for these topics. In my experience everyone is just overworked and severely isolated. The whole "alt" thing feels like it's been mined out by corporations directly and through "content creators". You have the metrics so it's probably working out so far but it just feels hollow to me.
>I have never really liked the puritan outlook the online left has on s(exu)al workers
You have to take into account that a big part of the English-speaking Internet is not from English-speaking countries, I'd imagine most people in the deprogram subreddit are foreign. Prostitution in imperialized countries is forced by imperialsm and the destruction it creates in the economy, the beneficiaries are always the local compador rich, sex traffickers and western passport bros who are a very right-wing community. The context is very different. It happened in my country, and my experience and experiences of the people I spoke to always support the image created by Engels in Origins of the Family. So I don't support prostitution and most people from imperialized countries probably don't either.
You are free not to care about that since material conditions in the imperial core are different but it is something you have to take into account when you interact with left-wing people online.

Have the stalkers at /itg/ ever radicalized an e-celeb?
Or are you all just useless?

>>2652809
Sounds cool Houdini! Good luck!

>>2652545
>NTA anon but if he's referring to the Trot to Neocon pipeline
No he's not, he's claiming there's a "campist to neocon" pipeline
<You can never trust antiimperialists, who need to pretend like all states which become targets of imperialism are more morally rightous than the imperialist states.
Clearly not referring to trots

>>2652833

in meatspace there is a real hatred of the "content creator" in terms of how they ruin spaces and commodify them. It's hard to explain but a lot of zoomers, and by extension a lot of our audience, is not even on social media or maintains a seriously strained relationship with their social media platforms.

I don't see "communism with American characteristics" existing without guns, drugs and pornography and an anti-puritism bent

your point about the global south is real. the material reality of a woman forced into prostitution by imperialist poverty is not the same as a waitress in a hooters. to pretend they are the same is feel good morality not analysis.

but they are all workers. the hooters girl wearing the uniform for a private equity firms profit. the onlyfans creator getting 80% taken by the platform. the streetwalker trying not to get beat by a cop or a john.

<different managers same class relation


the puritan left wants to rescue the prostitute by removing her from the conversation. they think she doesnt understand her own exploitation. go talk to one. she will explain the material conditions of her job better than any theory poster. she knows her price her risk her cut. seriously, has anyone here ever met a street level prostitute, they aren't uncommon in the hood, so I have met a few of em, the bottom line: rent gotta get paid no matter what

you dont build a movement by kicking out the parts of the working class you find gross. the hooters girl fighting wage theft, the stripper fighting house fees, the streetwalker just trying to survive they are all in a labor fight. their enemy is just a different face of our enemy. it;s all the same super structure

their insights are critical. they understand surveillance risk management the psychology of clients the real flow of cash. we need that knowledge and furthermore we need that solidarity.

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>>2651861
The Harvey Pekar movie is great, btw.

>>2651933
Aesthetic LARP is reactionary, no matter where it comes from. Infrared, Contrapoints, etc. How many more examples do we need of this until Americans understand this?

Hoarding a bunch of soviet memorabilia doesn't make you a communist just like how hoarding katanas doesn't make you a ninja.

>>2652035
>>>8moe/interracial/

>>2652916
>Hoarding a bunch of soviet memorabilia doesn't make you a communist just like how hoarding katanas doesn't make you a ninja.
Do you want to try that argument again? Because as it stands, it's fukkin stupid.

If LARP and collecting was all they did, then maybe your analogy would be reasonable.

>>2652916
the amount of times I've been drunk as fuck and wanted to DM her counters whatever shit you're saying inshallah

>>2651933
Fun educational content from a communist. What more could we ask for on social media?


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