>>2796857Communist BE confirmed?
>>2796889The poetic gods of Hesiod and Homer are not good or rational, but are incredibly arbitrary. The worshippers of the gods, such as Priam, are incredibly cynical, seeing offerings as a means to confer favour, and so simply to bribe them. Here, the logic of commodity exchange has already entered mythology, in the 8th century BCE. The idea of goodness is a mortal virtue, such as Priam's appeal to Achilles for his son, Hector. Here, pathos abides by agape in western canon (since the ghost of Patrocles has already revealed the futility of vengeance). Only later is pathos replaced with logos (e.g. reason), and so divinity is also seen to be subordinate to a higher principle, rather than unconditional Will. The condition of the good makes this form unconditional and the gods subordinate to it. We see this between the rigveda and Upanishads and Dhammapada for example, where the higher divinity is placed in man (e.g. Atman-Brahman) rather than the gods. In Christ, Logos and Pathos are attempted to be united in Will (e.g. the Will of God). I have spoken elsewhere of the historicity concerning the immortality of the soul.
Nietzsche also discusses the invention of morality as a Socratic affair (since as per Aristotle; Socrates, after Pythagoras, is the grandfather of idealism - since philosophers were materialists before this, only with deviant inklings in Heraclitus and Anaxagoras, who respectively spoke of "Logos" and "Nous"). Plato also writes that Homer was a materialist, whose first principle was rushing water, like Thales, the first philosopher and astrologer (so-called).
Weak, bitch slave cattle cheer on the show of "strength" as if it was their own.
The slave cattle excitedly affirm allegiance to their masters whip, when they see another leader brutalized and humiliated.
No one denied the US military is powerful enough to devastate near defenseless third world countries.
There are only around 3-4 countries (CRINK) on Earth that have the capacity to defy the US regime and defend their sovereignty.
Nothing here has been proven except that the regime has no pretense to moral leadership, only brute force.
Brute force alone cannot keep a nation united and cannot even maintain command over a united armed forces in the long run.
The US military will not be powerful enough to withstand the coming internal conflicts due to domestic political turmoil.
The US regime has no constitutional sanction. Every show of force abroad is a show of force at home.
Venezuela was never going to topple the USA.
The USA itself will destroy the USA.
The weak slave cattle now glazing their master's whip? They will be the first to drop like flies.
Only those who organize authority based on independnet principles - not the slave-like worship of force alone - will survive what is to come.
>>2796905> The poetic gods of Hesiod and Homer are not good or rational, but are incredibly arbitrary.I agree but that’s kind of what I was getting at. Socrates assigns goodness to the gods because his views differed from the mainstream polytheism at the time. He attributes much of what he does as a mission from the oracle and Apollo.
>>2796905Also, Aristotle doesn’t say Socrates is the grandfather of idealism. He points his critique toward Plato himself.
>>2796905This reads like AI
>>2797149I have an efficient style.
>>2797124>Socrates assigns goodness to the gods Not goodness in-itself; the form of the good is what the gods participate in, but are not intrinsic to it. You are right that there is revision also, since in Euthyphro and Republic, he chastises Homer for misrepresenting the gods, causing error in popular opinion. He appears to foreshadow the later Roman syncretism, since in his cosmology, there are only the planets and stars (like the Orphic planetary syzygies). The spiritual sun (e.g The Good) is also Apollo (Plato also calls the Sun, Zeus' Golden Chain, which connects all the worlds - so we can compare the Sun to Logos, as a medium; hence Christ is "Light of the World" who mediates man to the Father).
>He attributes much of what he does as a mission from the oracle and Apollo.Yes, but in Apologia and Phaedo, he also discusses his Daemon, or Spirit Guide. To me, both Socrates and Christ are the most subversive figures in literature. In Phaedo, Socrates praises the cult of Dionysus which have preserved philosophy in their sacred rites, and Jesus is also Dionysian, particularly in the Book of John. Homer describes Dionysus as the Joy of all men, a remembrance of our Titanic prehistory (Golden Age). May the Titans rise, and gods fall!
>>2797145Aristotle - Metaphysics (Book I; Chapter 6):
<After the systems we have named came the philosophy of Plato, which in most respects followed these thinkers, but had pecullarities that distinguished it from the philosophy of the Italians. For, having in his youth first become familiar with Cratylus and with the Heraclitean doctrines (that all sensible things are ever in a state of flux and there is no knowledge about them), these views he held even in later years. Socrates, however, was busying himself about ethical matters and neglecting the world of nature as a whole but seeking the universal in these ethical matters, and fixed thought for the first time on definitions; Plato accepted his teaching, but held that the problem applied not to sensible things but to entities of another kind-for this reason, that the common definition could not be a definition of any sensible thing, as they were always changing. Things of this other sort, then, he called Ideas, and sensible things, he said, were all named after these, and in virtue of a relation to these; for the many existed by participation in the Ideas that have the same name as they. Only the name 'participation' was new; for the Pythagoreans say that things exist by 'imitation' of numbers, and Plato says they exist by participation, changing the name. But what the participation or the imitation of the Forms could be they left an open question.https://classics.mit.edu/Aristotle/metaphysics.1.i.htmlWe see Socrates approach things in-themselves by "definition", for which Plato abstracts them as ideal entities. I say Socrates, following Pythagoras, is the grandfather, because idealism is essentially about this plurality, of division, which Plato also performed by dialectic, and who is credited as its inventor. So, Plato is the father, but takes inspiration from Socrates.
>>2797419Haz is pro-America and anti-Europe
its part of his schtick.
>>2797415>xqcI'm sorry but its terminal
>>2797419as a euro i am sad to say that this is a trvke
>>2796872my post wasn't about refuting anything
>>2797419The line coming from Russia now is anti-E.U. but not really anti-U.S. so much. It's pretty funky because it has been reported in the press here that the CIA has actually increased funds allocated to Ukraine programs which includes targeting information and Ratcliffe regularly briefs Trump about it.
>>2797419He wants to be perceived as an American nationalist while also being pro Russia and China. Which other enemies could he pick besides India maybe?
How do I become like BE?
>>2797508Take out your brain and put it in a hydraulic press
>>2797419europeans are unironically more feverish supporters of american imperialism/nazism than americans are
>>2797515If you're talking about at the EU commission level, sure. Anti-American sentiment in the EU has always been there and it's probably at its highest level right now.
>>2796758Zionism was originally an Ashkenazi exclusive movement until the Holocaust caused a dramatic shortage of potential Ashkenazi settlers.
>>2797819That was just the sales pitch to convince the British to give them Palestine. It wasn't really true.
>>2796758Truth sword of flames
>at any moment now Trump is about to shout out Hasan
Fucking crazy, lmao.
>>2797888Kind of crazy how he went from a mid-tier political streamer to a boogeyman for the political establishment.
>>2797832this gif is getting me horny
>>2797897>went from a mid-tier political streamerHe is the most watched American streamer by total watch hours for half a decade now. He hasn't been 'mid-tier' for quite a while.
>>2797897its pretty obvious the gop are going to use hassan as an albatross to hang around democrats necks in the same way democrats promote nick fuentes
>>2797900Yeah but when I actually go see him on twitch he is often behind asmongold.
>>2797899It's kromer from Limbus Company, it is gachaslop but whatever
>>2797902>Yeah but when I actually go see him on twitch he is often behind asmongold.That's because 50% of Asmongold's audience are bots, which isn't even a big secret.
>>2797905It’s actually all the cockroaches in his house with tiny phones
>>2797905Yeah but when a normalfag sees that number they ain't gonna know that. They just deflect and say that leftoids also bot.
>>2797909The cockroaches are the other 50%.
>>2797910'Normalfags' don't give a flying fuck about streamer metrics in the first place. lmao what are you on about
>>2797931Reminder that Ghislaine Maxwell was not just a redditor. Ghislaine Maxwell is every redditor.
>>2797419>if Hitler woke up today he would think that he wonI am sorry, but what exactly makes him think that? Especially, when considering how influential the zionists are in Germany and EU
>>2797939Alright fine, if one has to pick between
A person with a glorious presence and charisma that can influence people but is lacking in both common sense, willpower and intellect
A person who isn't the most learned nor someone who has the most presence out there but they are strong-willed and highly aware of their surroundings
A person who is learned and can solve complex problems but is easily pushed around, isn't aware of day to day issues and is a geek
I am sure that most people will pick the 2nd. While being a sexy fuckboy/girl does sound fun, there is a lack of interiority that even extroverts would find to be rather off-putting unless they are in the grip of their own psychological shadow
And while knowing a lot about the world and being a geek is fun, it is also the type of person who gets the "Yes Acktually" meme thrown at them
However priests, seers, common people with a strong sense of self are liked by everyone. Both Republicans and Democrats want to be seen as people who are able to "reach to the common man" while also being people who have the foresight to also be above everyone else who is just a sheepish normie.
>>2797948What the fuck is this schizo bot spiel
>>2797956So they aren't using the down syndrome filters?
Why is badempanada constantly targeting trangender and black creators?
>>2798143How dare he disagree with a BLACK MAN.
>>2798148Why does anyone watch this shite? One retard slop-merchsnt beefing with other retard slop-merchants.
What a pathetic gaggle of subhumans. Imagine caring.
>>2798152the goyim's appetite is endless
>>2798148>>2798152BE by his own admission isn't a communist or a Marxist.
He's an Australian digital nomad living in a gentrified expat community in Buenos Aires who makes e-celeb drama slop and drools over fantasies of the first world being destroyed.
There's a reason he focuses on easy targets and black and trans libtards/zionists to dunk on and I don't need to explain it. His white male crakkker audience love it.
He does make some very based videos here and there and I think he's generally well intentioned but his good content is definitely outweighed by the dunking low hanging targets and drama slop.
Also hi BE I know you lurk here.
>>2798148As the old white boomer population dies out, zionism will become more black.
>>2797956The thing to notice here is that they are petit bourgeois / bourgeois and were raised by the bourgeois. This is what a lot of downs syndrome people would be like if they weren't born in households who do not have the money, time or education to give them this good of a life.
>>2798228bro literally has a better life than me
we live in a class society
>>2798168Bad Empanada is scientific, unlike you, because he moves with knowledge of fact that the first world will inevitibly be destroyed. Bad empanada is proletarian who is exploited by google, paid third world rate for his labour. Bad empanada makes materialism. Bad Empanada is Communist because anything that help third world revolution is step in Communist proletarian world revolution, like Mao says in New Democrat. Bad Empanda is genius who focuses on weakest link in leftism which is imperialist fake leftist fools and pretenders. Bad Empanada exposing hitlerite zioleft imperialist yank is not interpersonal drama slop. Bad Empanada Thought has provoked entire class of imperialist zioleft to unify against him, those political creater who feed themselves off interpersonal drama and starwars analysis
>>2798257Trvke. Youtubers are the only revolutionary class, the proletariat deserves the woodchipper
The only reason why so many people here hate BE is because he exposes how the Western states are managed much more in alignment with the Hegelian notion of the state, as representing the general interest of society, embracing all parties. Thus it conducts its genocides abroad in the interest of all of its classes.
>>2798168>BE>White Male AudienceYknow it’s genuinely amazing that after people can quietly accept that all the hand wringing about privilege and hierarchies of oppression were annoying we’re seeing the script flip and white guys get blamed for it.
Like it was pretty much everyone vs white men from 2015 on or so and now it’s like “I can’t believe white guys made us do that”
White males are now third worldists lmao
>>2798292Robin DiAngelo was white tho.
>>2798257LeftComs on suicide watch
>>2798274<these people didn't build the pyramidsYea, no shit retard, those who built it have been dead for thousands of years… Do amerikkkans really?
It's like amerikkkans pride themselves on being braindead subhumans. It really gives me a headache.
>>2798298A white woman, and I think that’s an important distinction.
The whole “hierarchies of oppression” work as long as there’s someone who you can claim is more privileged than you. A white woman will emphasize her womanness contra her whiteness so she can downgrade herself from a partner in all the white men’s crimes to another victim of his. “Yeah I was the wife of the plantation owner, but he also oppressed me cause of my gender” kind of shit.
White guys are the top of the totem pole in that worldview, not the least because it sees class as a diversion from racial or gender oppression and silencing those struggles more often than not. I remember literally seeing the phrase “why should my revolution wait for yours?” paraded around against white dudes who wanted to focus on class.
>>2798257Thanks for replying BE.
How is making e-celeb drama slop as a digital nomad "scientific"?
>>2798257how many google dollars did he pay you to type that
>>2798308Your slopshite isn't revealing to you any truths anon, you're just condimi g slop and babbling incoherently.
You have to grow up sometime
>>2798315Reminder that KKKaSStro was BFFs forever with Franco
>>2798361Based coppers for once.
>>2798345They found out they shared colonizer blood and became besties
>>2798361if it was pedo loli slop then based, arrest all pedophiles.
>>2798361I dont particularly like vtubers but I sympathize with anyone who has to deal with fascist european authority
>>2798361Give these 4cucks and v-tubing bitches the lord Haw-Haw treatment. Don't cuck out on me now Angloids!
>>2798361>As a result of her bail conditions, Mimi has to move to a new account????
>and is required to use a header name on her new account that her bail officers have agreed to.???????????????????????
Shame that /leftypol/ is so gullible that they believed this.
>>2798361I heard if the british police got alerted that you had pro IRA posts consistently and were like a follower of the IRA that in the UK after the war on terror 911 the bus bombings of alqueda, that even the ira being inactive compared to the old days, you may have a lot of trouble at the border and being an american doesnt make them take it less serious which is crazy you can say up the ra and hamas in the usa still for right now, but if you say that in the UK i hear you wont get into the country or get into deep shit. truth ?
>>2798499Why is that so hard to believe?
>>2798500Every armed republican organisation in Ireland is prescribed as terrorist so technically you can be arrested for terrorism for saying up the ra, but there is an amnesty so you can basically say whatever you want. The UKKK can't really stop people in Ireland from supporting the republicans, if they enforced the terrorism act more then it would only make more people join the dissident republicans. Also (maybe most importantly) unionist gangs are also prescribed, and the pigs don't want to go after their supporters since they are all illegal under the same law / authority. The RUC (PSNI they're now called) occupation pigs work closely with the unionist dog gangs, it's how the imperialists mobilize against liberation struggles (other examples are the R*nderos, Salwa Judum etc.)
>>2795603Typa shit your chud coworker would send you on a friday night
>>2798556Why would an officer demand a VTuber rebrand? What does that have to do with British Law?
>>2799081Yeah and American schools don't have jock and nerd cliques and people don't get stuffed into lockers and nobody gives a shit about "the big game" or cheerleaders or the prom queen, and most high school "friendships" end the nanosecond you graduate.
>>2799081>anime isn’t realWhoa dude
>>2799081SHUT UP, STOP LYING
>>2799173>Marx failed to consider TECHNOLOGYthats a new one.
chapo defended platner for 30 minutes in their latest podcast.
>>2799085There are highschool cliques but I've noticed they're more divided by class and race lines than by 80s archetypes of nerds, jocks, preps, etc.
Apparently Milei is tanking hard in popularity right now, and the person people in Argentina trust the most is the leader of the Trotskyist socialist party
https://www.elancasti.com.ar/politica-y-economia/la-desaprobacion-milei-llega-al-63-ciento-y-myriam-bregman-es-la-dirigente-mejor-imagen-n611553
>Javier Milei's approval rating dropped in April to its lowest level since he assumed the presidency, according to the latest Latam Pulse Argentina report prepared jointly by the Brazilian consulting firm Atlas Intel and the Bloomberg agency. The poll indicates that only 35.5% of Argentines approve of his administration, while 63% disapprove, consolidating a sustained downward trend since the end of 2025, when his backing hovered around 44%.
>The deterioration is more pronounced among women, where only 25.4% maintain a favorable opinion of the president, and in lower-income sectors, where disapproval reaches 82.4% among those earning less than $630,000 per month. Along the same lines, the overall evaluation of the government also worsened: 59.3% rate the administration as bad or very bad, compared to just 30.6% who consider it good or excellent.
>The survey also reflects that 74% consider the labor market to be in a bad state, 68% negatively evaluate the country's general economy, and 58% state that the economic situation of their household is bad. When asked about future projections, 56% believe the economy will worsen in the next six months, and 49% anticipate a deterioration in their family's situation. In parallel, the perception of recent inflation reached 31.7 points, showing that price pressure continues to hit hard, and 55.2% plan to reduce their purchase of durable goods in the coming months.
>When asked about the country's main problems, corruption appears in first place with 50.3%, followed by unemployment (38.5%), inflation (35.9%), and the general economic situation (32.6%). Furthermore, 62% consider it probable or very probable that large frauds or corruption schemes will be revealed in the next six months. On the other hand, one of the survey's surprises is that the FIT [Workers' Left Front] deputy, Myriam Bregman, is the political figure with the best image in the country, with 47 percent positive image and 46 negative, a phenomenon that is repeated in other polls.
>Below the Trotskyist leader appear Governor Axel Kicillof (46%), Cristina Kirchner (41%), Patricia Bullrich (37%), and Javier Milei (36%). Indeed, Bregman is the only leader in the entire Argentine political spectrum who has a higher positive than negative image. Atlas Intel also includes a microeconomic section that reveals growing social precariousness. Half of Argentines report having an additional source of income, and among them, 60% state that they do so simply to make ends meet. In turn, 58% reduced their consumption and almost 33% resorted to taking on debt, especially in lower-income sectors and among young people aged 16 to 34.
>In this regard, among those who took on debt, 82.8% did so to buy food, 60.7% to cover basic services, and 45% to pay off previous debts, reflecting a situation of structural over-indebtedness where the credit card remains the most used tool, followed by loans from digital wallets and banks. Finally, the report concludes with striking data: more than half of the population acknowledges that their income is not enough. 27% say they must adjust expenses month by month to survive, another 27% also generate debt, and only 23% state that they can cover their expenses and save.>>2798420Disgusting but it's just nsfw bestiality fetish art, man
>>2799226The second most beautiful woman I've ever seen (behind my wife) was Argentine. Sad that it's so socially dysfunctional.
>>2799191Dems won't endorse him
>>2799085Eh there's still like anime kids and lgbtqiaa2s+ kids at my school.
>>2799216it's the same deal as Trump however: his popularity slowly drains away due to their sheer ineptitude (much more slowly then it should, it must be said), but as long as the opposition is dominated by a completely exhausted party (Democrats in Murka, Peronists in Argentina), he'll keep winning elections
meaning, Milei has a guaranteed re-election unless the trot lady can captre the label of opposition
>>2799226>>2799216I feel like the hobbit will send in the secret police and round everyone left of Pinochet up before this happens.
Even if they win will this be a latam story we've heard many times before?
why is tvtropes such bullshit and liberal brained.
yes i read the TFR article there, holy shit uygha.
>>2799313reeks of xennial
>>2799321the Commie-nazi part(as well as the entire page) is fucking retarded, it's just muh authoritarism.
>>2799329The Nightmare Fuel page feels like it was written by a 14 year old. It feels weird calling alt history games "scary" in the first place
>>2799335true, sounds like it was written by the feds
>>2799329>>2799330It reminds me of rationalwiki, the same type of person made both. Probably a neckbeard Richard Dawkins enjoyer.
>>2799335>In 2013, Xi Jinping (with help from Li Wei, former secretary of former premier Zhu Rongji, and Liu He, a veteran 'liberal' reformer who serves as the key economic adviser to Xi Jinping) developed a plan of measures known as the "383 Plan", which will involve a greater opening of the market, some transformations in the government and a reformation of enterprises in order to boost innovation on various levelsXisters??? Are we neolibs???
>>2799308The pink tide was always more sympathetic with Trotskyism than any other AES governments were, the idea of a third pink tide being led directly by trots makes sense
>>2799081Do they least have night clubs where guys on drugs kill them selves adter being t9ld its all connected?
>>2798307He means that ethnic group didnt build them
But hes wrong
>>2799342Speaking of which, Rationalwiki doesn't have an article on Haz but they do have one on Jackson Hinkle
>>2799369Funny how fascist movements are all deep down just petit bourgeois reaction against big capital and worker organization.
>>2799335makes sense that leftcommunism would fit on an overly online fart sniffing site like this lmao.
>>2799173garry tan is so consumed by LLMs he's going to end up committing some sort of heinous act due to sheer psychosis
I applied for ICE but they never got back to me. Where are all the jobs.
>>2799529The speedruns are more more entertaining than this anonymous bs
>>2799532A Mexican took your job
>>2799532Why would you apply for a job at the Gestapo? Kys, bitch.
>Random ass politicians now get constantly asked to denounce Hasan Piker whenever they talk into a microphone.
Holy fuck, those billionaire media owners literally put everyone in CC and just clicked sent, didn't they?
>>2799539Turns out le funny HoI4 maymays don't save yu from being a shitlib, who'd have guessed
>>2799539scandinavian brained
>>2799625The last bullet they have now they can't get away with denying the genocide anymore.
>>2799692>Anti-Revisionist ML Stalinist and West Maoist are CIAbased.
I'm a trot and no I'm not a neocon
Richard Dawkins, the new atheist turned conservative grifter, is now claiming that the chatbot Claude developed by Anthropic is literally self aware, sentient, conscious, and so forth.
Ironically he refers to Claude as "he" and Claudia as "she". Ironic that he'll use the correct pronouns for a blob of code yet refuses to do so for real living, breathing, trans people.
What an embarrassing fucking end to his career.
>>2799714Dawkins has actually pioneered the legitimacy of AI "life" as early as 1996, as we can read from this review:
<Creatures is an artificial life video game series created in the mid-1990s by English computer scientist Steve Grand while working for the Cambridge video game developer Millennium Interactive. […] Among the fans of Creatures were the Oxford zoologist Richard Dawkins, who called it a "quantum leap in the development of artificial life"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Creatures_(video_game_series)So Dawkins has always been superstitious in his own way.
>>2799743Read the old testment dunderhead, it literally goes back 10,000 years.
>>2799721pretty sure he's an advanced stage junky.
>>2799721BTW how long has Haz been imitating Jackson Hinkle like this? It's boring, i want screaming schizophrenic man-child.
>>2799781pretty sure it's rightfully british….
>>2799781Argentina has never had any claim to them other than geographic proximity. Even then it's still over 500 miles from Argentina.
There were no indigenous peoples on the islands. The Brits were the first to discover the islands, and the settle there.
It's basically the only case in the whole British empire you have no reason to complain about settlement because it was an entirely empty, barren, treeless land with no human life.
There were brief periods, never more than a decade long, when Spanish and French built temporary whaling stations on the islands and communities to serve the whalers, never reaching more than a couple dozen individuals. If anything the Spanish and French therefore have a better claim than the Argies.
Argentina has never controlled the islands apart from during the illegal invasion during which they killed civilians of the islands.
Argentine fascists want to engage in imperialism and settler colonialism against the native Kelper population as a distraction from the economic disaster capitalism has unleashed on their own country.
The matter of ownership was also settled conclusively via the war, with Argentina agreeing to the outcome at the time, and over 99% of the population has repeatedly voted to remain a British territory.
I understand it's very popular to hate Brits, and any British adjacent ethnic groups like the Kelpers of the Falkland Islands.
But to support Argentina is to support a claim invented by a fascist regime, which seeks to eradicate and ethnically cleanse the people who have lived on the islands for 100+ years, to distract from the failures of capitalism.
Supporting the British claim is literally the only anti-imperialist option here.
>>2799796>Argentina has never had any claim to them other than geographic proximitywhen argentina gained independence from spain the entire territory including falklands legally transferred to them, brits have a weaker legal claim than argies do
>>2799796>The Queen needs her islands on other continents!!!1sage
>>2799799the population is majority british, it has been this way for so long that the idea it's argentine is laughable, it's like saying kieyev is polish
>>2799799Brits unironically decolinised it from the spanish. Cope about it
>>2799799Spain had no claim to grant Argentina the right to territory it never owned. It may has well given Argentina rights to own the Moon.
In fact Spain did give Argentina the right to take Uruguay, Bolivia, Paraguay, and other parts of the Viceroyalty of the River Plate. Does that mean Argentina would be justified in invading Paraguay too? Your logic would suggest so.
Argentine butchers genocided the indigenous peoples of Patagonia.
The Brits migrated to an island with ZERO natives.
Now a fascist regime, the descendants of the genocidal settler-colonialists of the Southern Cone, want to launch another war of imperialist aggression and genocide the native Kelpers who are the only people who have ever lived on the Falklands on a permanent basis.
>Supporting the British claim is literally the only anti-imperialist option
>Brits unironically decolinised it from the spanish
where the hell am i? where did all these engloid faggots defending the imperial kingdom come from
>>2799810>words words words cope cope copebrits have never and will never bring this case to the U.N because they know they'll lose, under the principle of Uti possidetis juris its Argentinas
>>2799803It's like if Morocco invaded and conquered the Canary islands from Spain and slaughtered all the locals because Morocco was having an economic crisis and wanted to distract from it.
Even though Spanish people have lived there for 600 years I guess because Morocco is geographically closer and some Arab from the Gulf region visited the islands once like 200 years ago they can just take it though huh?
That's the Argentinian logic.
Engloid faggots should give back Gibraltar too on the topic of de-colonization
>>2799817If we going by what the Spanish told the Argentinians was their rightful claim then Argentina should've invaded and conquered Paraguay, Bolivia and Uruguay already too.
A piece of paper written by some Spanish conquistador granting Argentinians the right to invade and genocide their neighbours means nothing.
>>2799796First you want Palestine and now you also want Argentina? That's crazy
>>2799822>If well we aren't so
>>2799824I am not the British empire incarnate. But not, Britain never wanted Argentina and never has.
It's Argentinians, whose fascist imperialist blood lust wasn't satiated by the genocide of the indigenous Patagonians, now also want to invade and colonise the Falklands and genocide the Kelpers too.
>>2799829>British zionist throwing stones from his inbred imperialist glass houseLol
>>2799826Thanks for debunking your own arguement ig?
>>2799830Notice how the genocidal, fascist, Argentine imperialist wields racial anti-British stereotypes as a weapon to justify his goals of settler colonialism.
>>2799833Explain to us in detail what you think imperialism means
>>2799835It's when Argentine crackkkers want to slaughter the native inhabitants of the Falkland Islands.
Argentina, a fascist, capitalist power is doing its part in dividing up the world. First they invaded and colonised Patagonia. Now they want to do the same to the Falklands, a remote island group 500 miles away from Argentina which the Argentinians have never lived on.
>>2799216What’s with all the German sounding names in Argentina?
>>2799839>native inhabitants of the Falkland IslandsWho are the natives and when did they come in. What exactly does imperialism mean, you still haven't responded
>>2799545Oh yeah but I'm intrigued as to both moments coinciding with big recessions
shityanks must gtfo of chagos
>>2799841>sins of the father>race realismspooked out of your gourd son. milei, fire when ready.
>>2799842If by natives you mean the first and only people to inhabit the islands you are talking about the Kelpers, who are a distinct ethnic group mostly of mixed Scottish, Welsh, Chilean and Portuguese origin, who are culturally similar to the British.
They have lived on the islands for 100+ years and are the only group of people ever to have done so.
Argentina and Argentinians are foreigners who have never lived on the islands ever in human history and who live over 500 miles away.
Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, dominated by monopolies, the export of capital, and where the world is divided amongst capitalist powers for exploitation.
As I already explained, if you bothered to read my posts, Argentina is one such capitalist power, led by a fascist regime, with a history of settled-colonialism and genocide in Patagonia, who in order to distract from domestic economic woes wish to conquer and ethnically cleanse the Falklands.
>>2799848And your british zionist siblihs and grandparents are one of those "natives" that deserve to be there? Proof.
>As I already explained, if you bothered to read my posts, Argentina is one such capitalist power,You haven't explained shit. You called Argentina capitalist and fascist without going into how that makes them imperialist. How exactly are the imperialist. I want details, not just buzzwords you throw in with the hopes no one will ask further you inbred freak.
>>2799851If you aren't going to read the explanations I give in my posts there's no point me engaging further.
I've explained how they're imperialists twice now, I don't need to play by your imperialist games.
>>2799848the imperialist nations extract vast amounts of value from argentina so no matter how many buzzwords you throw around they're by definition an oppressed nation. you run defense for the great britian, the largest exporter of financial services in the world. you are an enemy of the global working class.
>>2799853I don't defend Britain at all. I hate my government more that you ever could.
But as popular as it is to hate British people online how can you really justify calls to genocide an entire island at the behest of a fascist Argentine government led by a so-called Anarcho-Capitalist?
Is it just because Argentina is closer? Really? Even though it's still 1000km away?
Argentina is by no means an oppressed nation. Oppressed by who? They're a nation of Italians, Germans, and Spanish settlers.
100,000s of Argentinians today are direct descendants of Nazis and Fascists who fled to Argentina after WW2.
Maybe you aren't familiar with history but Patagonia wasn't a part of Argentina originally. After independence from Spain, Argentine conquistadors invaded, genocided them and stole their lands to extract resources and colonise.
So please don't tell me bullshit about how they are the oppressed and not the oppressors.
Now they want to do the same again but because the victims are kinda British it's fine to kill them? You're insane.
>>2799852You haven't explained what imperialism is and how it applies to Argentina in detail like I asked you from the start. If all you're gonna do is post one phrase of an entire analysis while throwing in buzzwords you are either disingenious or an inbred retard. I think you're both.
>>2799856>100,000s of Argentinians today are direct descendantsQuick. Tell us again how many people live in Argentina today
>>2799856>no class analysis>libspeak with a few streaks of red paintzzzzz
>>2799857Holy shit you aren't even reading a single word of any of my posts did you?
I literally wrote you a fucking definition by your own standards. I played along with your dumb ass games even though I have no obligation too and we both know what imperialism means, or at least I do.
Now you just pretend I didn't post it. The post is right there. Just scroll up.
Actually fuck it, I'll repost my definition for you, for the THIRD FUCKING TIME. This time in a quote so you can't possibly miss it.
>Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism, dominated by monopolies, the export of capital, and where the world is divided amongst capitalist powers for exploitation.Maybe you think you're being smart and can poke a hole in my definition, that's your game. Whatever, I don't care for your non-Marxist definition. You have proved you are a retard and/or troll by failing to read the definition I gave you twice already + you support ethnic cleansing so long as it's an snow white skinned crakkker Italian-Argentinian or German-Argentinian doing it because you're an anti-communist third worldist who just hates anyone British out of third worldist rage.
>>2799859Is Google broken? Hurrr tell me the capital of X county in Y province and it's population tell me the definition of concept Z? Sorry I didn't read that. Post it again. Sorry I didn't read that post either. Post it again.
You are a troll. I'm done with your sick Hitlerian games.
>>2799875I come from a community destroyed by her and literally burnt an effigy of her when she died.
I don't have to like her to oppose the proposed ethnic cleansing of the Falklands.
I don't know why you support a MAGA/Milei supported goal to ethnically cleanse an island of the only people who have ever lived there.
>>2798168Bad Empanada lurks here indeed
>>2799856>100,000s of Argentinians today are direct descendants of Nazis and Fascists who fled to Argentina after WW2.Source?
>>2799876engloids are doggishly loyal to their own. that's the chasm that separates them from the internationalist socialist movement
>>2799881According to Archivo General de la Nación and Dirección Nacional de Migraciones at least 33,000 Germans and 380,000 Italians migrated to Argentina in the 5 years following the end of WW2.
Who cares about the Falklands anyway? Miliei is a stupid cuck who would fuck up an invasion and occupation. He'd probably lead Aregentina to get invaded or something. If they're lucky the Brazilians would take them over but unfortunately zionist might get more power over there since many of them seem to be buying or taking land in Patagonia or wherever.
>>2799796Based post. The whole conflict was just a poor effort by the fascist military junta to rally nationalism and legitimacy during popular crisis.
>>2799824ArgenSSimians are even bigger Zionists than britbongs. If Milei somehow gains the Falklands back he will immediately gift them to Israel.
>>2799922Japes aside, Banksy has given art and money to anarchists locally. It's how i got a banksy piece, a long time ago.
>>2799883Knowing the difference between actual anti-imperialism and butthurt revanchism that only resulted in thousands of proles being thrown into the meat grinder is more important for the international socialist movement than just hating on le angloids.
Crazy that every single socialist state and movement in existence recognizes the Argentinean claim but I guess Western 'leftists' know better siding with the British empire.
>>2799932Is appeals to authority and "ur just a hecking white male!" All you have?
>>2799932And you’re surprised by this? Western “communists” have always been and always will be westerners first and communists a DISTANT second, if at all. Any and all anti-imperialist pretenses evaporate entirely when their precious herrenvolk are in danger
>>2799934Do you also support the American claim to Guantanamo bay?
>>2799937Entirely different situations, please be serious.
>>2799939I don't see how this is a different situation but feel free to englighten me. Btw, you haven't really responded with a definitive yes or no. So I am asking again.
>>2799936FEDlix you're a hipster from Portland, Oregon whose idea of anti-imperialism is just the entirety of the United States commiting mass suicide a la Jonestown.
>>2799942No I don't support the claim.
They're different because the lease of Guantanamo was agreed by AmeriKKKa and fascist Cuba previous to the socialist revolution and to this day the bay functions as a giant military base and torture center for dissidents.
>>2799948I don't really understand what you are trying to say here. You are aware that there is a British military base on the Falklands, yes?
>>2799945When was Lenin in favor of revanchism or expanding Imperial Russia's territory? If anything he would've granted national self-determination for the British people actually living in the Falklands.
>>2799952Only schizos like FEDlix still use terms like "herrenvolk" when even they have fell out of favor in Nazi circles.
british imperialism is an extension of americas, so by keeping intact the territorial integrity of the british crown you are bolstering american interests indirectly. would there ever to be a revolutionary communist movement on the south american mainland the brits would hand it over to uncle sam to be used as a landing strip.
People here are away that the Falklands literally are a British colony, right? Like this isn't even polemic terminology, that's literally their actual legal status, yes? Falklanders don't have any political represenation within bourgeois British democratic institutions, unlike many of the French possessions in the Americas. They are basically lorded over by some random undersecretary whose name most people don't even know.
>>2799951only nations have self determination, falklands are not a nation and have never been a nation. brits live on land not legally theirs. if the island wants to become independent that's fine, what's important is the british empire losing colonial outposts before the next global war breaks out
>>2799956okay except it is legally their territory, and even if it wasn't, it wouldn't fucking matter because the entire population has been british for the entire time it's been inhabited, there is no legitimate claim you can make for it being argentine other than geographical proximity, imagine if for example the chinese claimed new zealand, didn't settle it, but the maoris settled it anyway, logically we'd say that in spite of this claim, it's rightfully territory of the maori, since not only did they come to an uninhabited island first, they also lived there for so long that it is maori, the falkland islands, whether you like them or not, are british, have been british since they were permenantly settled, and are going to be british no matter what
>>2799958This is false because the legal claim is that under international law territorial claims of colonies get passed on to their successor states. This how Mauritius won the recent Chagossia case in case you didn't know. All this settler talk is utterly irrelevant. So even default lukewarm liberal international post-colonial law is progressive than you on this issue. Lmao.
>>2799955it's a british colony that if anything should be treated like bermuda or the french possessions
>>2799954okay so would argentina, your argument is literally nonsense since it's not about keeping "british territorial integrity intact", it's about the fact it's objectively british, and no amount of citing a centuries old document is going to change that, it's like esquibo, similarly used as a stick to deflect away from internal problems, no one in venezuela actually wants it, not the government, not the people, no one in the actual territory wants venezuela either, it would probably rather stay with guyana if anything
>>2799961mauritius won that because there are actual chagossians in existence that want to be with mauritius, this doesn't remotely exist for the falklands, if it came to court they would decide it is british territory, firstly because the population itself isn't legislating for it, secondly because it was never ceded to argentina at any point, except by a document with no legitimacy, and finally because it is has and will continue to be considered british territory
>>2799965>mauritius won that because there are actual chagossians in existence This might come as a shock to you but Argentina considers all Kelpers to be Argentinian citizens and there are some Kelpers living in Argentina right now who support the Argentinean claim, so you are wrong again, lol.
>>2799958>the falkland islands, whether you like them or not, are british, have been british since they were permenantly settled, and are going to be british no matter whataahahahaaha the engloid hubris, it's too much
>>2799965Do you think the British sovereign base areas on Cyprus are British?
>>279996710 people or tens of thousands? falklands were uninhabited until a few hundred years ago, the british established a permanent settlement first, the argentine claim is otherwise irrrelevant
>>2799968do you think stating obvious facts is "hubris"?
>>2799969no because that's a completely different situation, they are rightfully cypriot, because they were cypriot beforehand, the falklands was first permenantly settled by the british, there was no one there before, and the only argument for it is an antiquated document that i doubt would hold up in court
>>2799965political power grows from the barrel of a gun, what matters is if the crown can defend it, and judging on the fiasco surrounding deployments to the Iran region the answer is a resounding no. their military has only atrophied further since the 70s and when China/Russia provides intelligence to argentina its fucking over
>>2799972>China/Russia provides intelligence to argentinaUltimate proof Russia and china are Zionists.
>>2799970>no because that's a completely different situation, they are rightfully cypriot, because they were cypriot beforehandActually they weren't they were Ottoman. You are wrong again.
>third world engages in anti-imperialism
<engloids upset their empire is being taken away by force
social democrats cant help but expose themselves
>>2799975>haha bro you got it wrong since you cited the previous state, not the people living on that state for thousands of years continuouslykill yourself
>>2799976it's british since the population are british and want to maintain their status as britons, because they rightfully recognize that they were the first permanent residents on the territory, and therefore have a special right to it
>>2799979>kill yourselfThis is not an argument. Please explain to me how Cyprus being part of the Ottoman empire before being taken over by the British is qualitatively different from the Malvinas being part of the Spanish empire before being taken over by the British, thanks.
>>2799982Both of you are in a battle to see who can "blood and soil but woke" the hardest.
>>2799979>have a special right Well, here we go. Backed into a corner, having run out of arguments the mask has slipped. No British subjects don't have fucking special rights compared to other people on this planet you fucking piece of shit British nationalist.
>>2799985>Both of you are in a battle to see who can "blood and soil but woke" the hardest.I will not accept this disgusting slander against the brave leftist guerilla fighters on Cyprus that fought against British occupation. Kill yourself.
>>2799982it's different because the cypriot people, who are the actual important agents here, not the non-existent ottoman state, would rather this be cypriot territory? it's one of the few things both the greek and turkish cypriots would agree on, however in the falklands the number is over 90% the island remaining british, there is no comparison to be made here whatsoever
>>2799986they have special rights because they lived there first, and have for nearly 200 years with no interruptions, not because they happen to be british
>>2799987>If Brazil on the contrary should be victorious, it will give a mighty impulse to national and democratic consciousness of the country and will lead to the overthrow of the Vargas dictatorship. The defeat of England will at the same time deliver a blow to British imperialism and will give an impulse to the revolutionary movement of the British proletariat. The opposite of this happened
>>2799980Anti-imperialism is when the British Empire and by extension the Red Shield banking clan is stripped of its military bases, yes
>>2799998you can dismantle the military bases while it remains british, you know
>>2800000Not while loyal servants of the empire are allowed to keep their lands. Angloids are fundamentally incapable of dismantling imperialism from the inside because like the rest of the Golden Billion they actively benefit from the rape and exploitation of the periphery
this uygha thinks the british are less subservient to america than argies are
>>2800002pretty sure they did actually dismantle most of their own empire themselves, also nice putinite phraseology, idiot
>>2800003The British ain't burning their own country to gift the land ot AmeriKKKan and Israeli settlers.
It's shrimple:
If you're pro-British you're Zionist and support AmeriKKKan control of the region.
If you're pro-Argentina you're Zionist and support AmeriKKKan control of the region.
Only communist revolution in South America will solve these contradictions.
>>2800011then a communist revolution should occur, and it should be british owned :)
does anyone have that video of the cute girl in her car that was voting for biden because trump is a fascist and she says something like "we can talk about it LAAATEERRR"
>>2800001IMAGINE being a crown subject of these
'people'
engloids are so cucked
>>2800001America has been retreating from imperialism so I fail to see the issue of Argentina aligning with them. Or would you prefer them to be slaves to the whims of bureaucrats in London or Brussels?
>>2800016bloody beautiful
>>2800017>America has been retreating from imperialism???????
>>2800004>putiniteThe western leftoid SEETHS at actual existing anti-imperialism
>>2799841this but unironically
>>2800021by establishing a new imperialist order? alright lad, quiet down
>>2800004actually no that was america when it threatened england to call in the massive debt accrued starting in ww1 over the Suez crisis. you monkeys never willingly did anything
>>2800023>le Russian imperialismHi Zelenskyy, sorry that Trump cut off your Jewgold pipeline. But don’t you have some Nazis to appease?
>>2800027i know i've won when you've run out of arguments and just spouting this nonsense, the falklands are british and goodbye!
>>2800035Not to mention ArgenSSimians actually voted for him in a super majority unlike the British monarKKKy
>>2800035that's most of the planet, the difference is im not bent over in front of a feudal monarch, what is this, the 1800's?
rangeban all UKanos and leftypol will heal
>>2800040Anglos know they're all pieces of shit and that their country deserves to be burned to the ground. Argies are in denial and see their nationalist chimp outs as based anti-imperialism.
Is there a version of leftypol but without insufferable rich white kids from portland and seattle who are rabidly third worldist and think calling for working class brits to be unironically tortured and genocided is somehow the pinnacle of Marxist thought?
These people are so oblivious to history it's insane. Kelpers are an ethnic group that are the original and only inhabitants of the Falklands. They're the only people who've ever lived on the islands.
The Argentinian claim to the Falklands is as real as the Argentinian claims to Guam or Alaska.
It's totally different to Guantanamo which is an occupation and a fucking torture site and which the Cubans lived at first.
Argentina is far more closely aligned to Trump and Israel than the UK.
These American third worldists want to ethnically cleanse these islanders at the behest of the fascist Amerikkkan MAGA zionist right and somehow have persuaded themselves that because Brits are the ultimate in first world imperialist evil that actually killing them all is based.
>>2800051>Argentina is far more closely aligned to Trump and Israel than the UK.l m a o the mental gymanstics coming out of john bull are insane. like little worms trying to escape responsibility
>>2800051>Argentina is far more closely aligned to Trump and Israel than the UK.kek why are firsties like this
>>2800055Just look at the UN votes. Or how Trump and Netanyahu talks about Argentina Vs how they talk about the UK.
You are rejecting reality because it doesn't align with your third worldist thirst for dead Brits.
>>2800051>It's totally different to Guantanamo which is an occupation and a fucking torture site and which the Cubans lived at first.Cubans weren't the first inhabitants of Cuba you fucking idiot.
>These American third worldists want to ethnically cleanse these islandersThe Argentina government considers every single one of them an Argentine citizen. We have already told you that. Like how many inaccurate claims do you manage to fit into a single post? Lmao.
>>2800059>milei said somethingWho cares? The UK is a NATO member, Argentina isn't, you are insane to imply the UK is less aligned with the US (or "muh Trump") lmfao
>>2800051The Argentinean claim to the Falklands is as real as the Chagossian claim to Diego Garcia and as real as the Comorian claim to Mayotte. They appeal to the same legal precedent under international law where the territorial rights of independent colonial possessions transfer to them.
This is the current status quo under milketoast international liberal law and currently being supported by like a 100 states and virtually all that have a leftist government outside of the so-called first world and not a fucking maoist third worldist edgy opinion. Like this post is baffling and exhibiting dangerous level of psychotic delusion. Do you think Portland maoists are part of some grand conspiracy that involved half of the states on this planet or something? holy shit
>>2800062Spain is a NATO member too and yet they're less aligned with USrael than ArgenSSimians.
>>2800064I think that the most hilarious part of the Argentine dispute is that Kelpers since they are considered Argentine citizens have voting rights in the Argentine elections and do actually have bourgeois democratic represenatives within Argentine democratic institutions, some of which feature actual kelpers that have defected to the Argentine mainland. Meanwhile no such represenation exists in the UK, like already explained they are literally and oldschool colony. You don't even have to be a fucking maoist third worldist to see that this is a fucking atrocious situation and liberal international law is with Argentina on this issue.
Western 'leftists' who support the British claims are the edgelords here because their position is even to the fucking right of fucking liberalism.
>>2800065How many American bases have been closed by Spain so far? [checks notes] Oh yeah, not a single one.
>>2800069They've refused to let AmeriKKKa use their airspace for operations against Iran. That alone makes them more anti-imperialist than anything ArgenSSimians have ever done in their entire history.
>>2800061>Cubans weren't the first inhabitants of Cuba you fucking idiot.Never said that. I started Guantanamo belonged to Cuba before the US took it. Please develop your reading comprehension.
>The Argentina government considers every single one of them an Argentine citizen. And yet the Argentinian government invaded before, when their previous fascist regime invaded the islands, what did they do? They murdered them.
And what of the native populations right to self determination? They have voted multiple times to remain a British territory too.
Why would you trust a fascist, zionist, MAGA government in Argentina, which has already killed islanders in cold blood before, not to mention what they did to the indigenous population of Patagonia?
Just listen to yourself. You're so third worldist and desperate to kill Brits, that you are willing to align with MAGA, actual fascists, and Israel over the rights of 4000 mostly poor farmers and fishermen to live in their only home they've had for 100 - 200 years. Just because they're of British heritage. I don't believe in horseshoe theory but you make a good case for it.
Meanwhile as a USAtian you're totally oblivious to the crimes of you're own state. The Kelpers must pay for their sins of being Anglos. Brits must always apologise for existing. Yet USAtians feel totally guilt free about genociding countless millions of native Americans.
I have a theory that USAtian third worldists hate Brits so hard to avoid having to introspectively confront their countless crimes of their own nation.
>>2800066I always knew the final boss of imperialism was Sweden…
>>2800063The Chagossians have the right to take Diego Garcia because they were the natives of those islands and were illegally forced out by the British military.
Mayotte I don't know anything about so I won't comment on.
But I'll repeat it again. There were no natives to the Falklands. The islands were discovered by the Brits. The Brits were the only people to permanently settle the islands, although the Spanish and French set up temporary short use whaling stations too.
The Argentinians quite literally never lived on, claimed, or had anything to do with the islands until they faced an economic crash in the 1970s and their fascist government decided a war over the islands would be a good distraction from domestic troubles.
Hell, in fact even some Chilean gauchos moved to the islands, intermarried with locals, and became Kelpers themselves.
Something Argentinians never did. The Chileans had closer links to the island than Argentina ever did until the fascist government invented their demands of ownership in the 1970s.
>>2800071>i enjoy living in a strong global empirethe rest of the world doesn't
>>2800071>And yet the Argentinian government invaded before, when their previous fascist regime invaded the islands, what did they do? They murdered them.The Algerian resistence also murdered French collaborators. What is your fucking point again? What part of decolonization is not a metaphor don't you understand?
>Just listen to yourself. You're so third worldist and desperate to kill Brits, that you are willing to align with MAGA, actual fascistsWoop woop, here we go another mask slips, this dude just exposed himself. Who gives a fucking crap about fucking red vs. blue?
>Just listen to yourself. You're so third worldist and desperate to kill Brits, that you are willing to align with MAGA, actual fascists, and Israel over the rights of 4000 mostly poor farmers and fishermen to live in their only home they've had for 100 - 200 years. Just because they're of British heritage. I don't believe in horseshoe theory but you make a good case for it.Dude, I would call you a liberal but you aren't even one because you are like I have already exposed to the right of contemporary liberal international law. You are a straight up reactionary.
>Meanwhile as a USAtian you're totally oblivious to the crimes of you're own state. I am quite literally not American, mods can check my home IP and confirm.
>The Kelpers must pay for their sins of being Anglos. Brits must always apologise for existing. Yet USAtians feel totally guilt free about genociding countless millions of native Americans.You claim to oppose zionism yet you literally adopt the same pro-colonial, pro-zioniost argumentative frame that has been used from Rhodesia and South Africa to Algeria to support Western colonialism. This is fucking hiliarious.
>>2800075>The Chagossians have the right to take Diego Garcia because they were the natives of those islands and were illegally forced out by the British military.This is quite literally wrong. You don't know shit. It was ruled that Chagossia was to be re-integrated into Mauritius because of the precedence I have outlined of territorial claims being grandfathered to colonies that became independent but Chagossians don't identify as Mauritians at all.
Why do you keep making this wildly incorrect statements?
>>2800071>that you are willing to align with MAGA, actual fasciststhere is nothing MAGA has done that democrat/liberals haven't done either
your kind is so transparent, I knew what you are the moment you said "aligned to Trump" instead of "aligned to the US" lol
>I don't believe in horseshoe theoryyes you do, stop the LARP
>>2800079>The Algerian resistence also murdered French collaborators. What is your fucking point again? What part of decolonization is not a metaphor don't you understand?You're inventing the arguement here since it's the Kelpers who are the natives and the Argies who are the colonisers. As a result I expect you'll celebrate when Kelpers kill any future Argentine occupiers.
>>2800083*Inverting
The text field needs to be longer for me to post.
>>2800083Argentina considers every single Kelper to be an Argentine citizen and not occupiers. The occupiers are the British soldiers stationed there on foreign military bases. This has been repeated to you like three times at this point, yet you keep bringing up this shitty strawman.
>>2800081You are discussing the decisions made by international law. I am looking at it from a Marxist perspective.
>>2800086No you aren't you are arguing from a reactionary pro-colonial perspective. The point is that you are like double wrong, lmao. From a liberal and Marxist perspective which is in itself hilarious.
>>2800085Argentina can consider whatever it wants. The proclamations of some foreign would be colonizer about the people it wishes to colonise are irrelevant.
You're using Israeli, Zionist logic here. A Palestinian shouldn't care what some Israeli government official tells him his rights are and aren't. A Kelper likewise shouldn't care what fascist politicians in Buenos Aires say.
>>2800087Land belongs not just to what tribe happens to occupy it, but to whom develops a thriving civilizational state. According to a Marxist perspective the Argentinians are natives while the Indians are ahistorical persons
>>2800087Again: the mainstream opinion in Argentina and of the Argetine government is that Kelpers are naturally born Argentine citizens. Claiming that Kelpers would all be expelled in the process of the island's decolonization is a reactionary and hysteric pro-colonial white-genocide-style narrative.
>>2800093>but to whom develops a thriving civilizational state.So the Falklands belongs to the British Kelpers who inhabited the Island first and overwhelmingly want to remain part of the UK?
>>2800070>They've refused to let AmeriKKKa use their airspace for operations against Iranso now they are closer to being equally as aligned to the US as the average non-NATO country is, good, the UK is still more aligned to the US than Argentina is and everyone that pretends otherwise is unironically delusional
>>2800095British “civilization” as with any Atlanticist nation is an oxymoron so no
>>2800099Now this is just butthurt LaRouche thought
>>2800094>Claiming that Kelpers would all be expelled in the process of the island's decolonization is a reactionary and hysteric pro-colonial white-genocide-style narrative.And yet despite saying this the fascist Argentinian military murdered 3 Kelpers in cold blood during the occupation. Why would they trust foreign, fascist, MAGA-aligned colonizers to invade them again?
>>2800092Argentinians don’t have a holy book that says non-Argentinians are beasts in human form who’s children can be raped and killed with impunity and for whom deception is not only permitted but actively endorsed, but you knew that already
>>2800103>And yet despite saying this the fascist Argentinian military murdered 3 Kelpers in cold blood during the occupation. Why would they trust foreign, fascist, MAGA-aligned colonizers to invade them again?Collaborators were killed siding with an imperialist government. So what? You are shedding a tear for every slave owner killed in the American civil war and every white slaver killed in the Haitian revolt? Every South African defending apartheid? Like I said, reactionary white-genocide pro-colonial narrative you are peddling here. Nothing marxist about this, not even liberal. Straight-up reactionary talking points.
>>2800096Ukraine is not officially part of NATO and yet they're loyal dogs who serve as meat grinder in their efforts against Russia. Same with the ArgenSSimians.
>>2800107The current Argentine government is also the most pro-British Falklands claim government in 70 years, as far as Argentine governments go, they literally are the most moderate, like in forever. This doesn't really help your claim, you know.
>>2800108>Random British Kelpers were like white slave owners in HaitiArgenSSimian cope getting stronger every post.
>>2800107Oh wow, you mean they engage with trade with the Zionist Entity? Like every country on the planet? Boy I guess that’s it then, the Golden Billion are the master race and Argentinians along with the rest of the periphery should be enslaved to Jewish pedophile oligarchs
engloids are the germans of the 21st century, they'll justify voting for war credits against Latam too just watch
>>2800110Again, Milei is literally the most moderate and least militant politician on the whole Falklands issue, as far as their overtone window allows in like forever. This isn't really helping your case, you know.
>>2800108Argentinians are Zionist, foreign white would-be settlers, and Kelpers are Palestinians - the people actually of the islands.
Once you realise this you will apologise for making such posts.
>>2800112Plenty of Kelpers have decided to side with the Argentine government, accepted their Argentine passport (not citizenship because they already are Argentine citizens) and currently are Argentine politicians actually. So no, like with the Polish during the Haitian revolt, there are some upstanding people. It's you who is trying to create a shitty black and white strawman.
>>2799987>will give a mighty impulse to national and democratic consciousness of the country and will lead to the overthrow of the Vargas dictatorship.Trotsky had some bizarre ideas and I think its reflective of him (and some other contemporary Marxists) not knowing how nationalism works or understanding the psychology behind it.
Like I don't think a strongman winning a war against foreign aggression would "inspire people to revolt" or something, shit I imagine it'd buff his regime; like how Iran's seems presently stronger against American imperialism than before.
Granted I've heard apparently Trotsky thought if the Soviets lost the war against Germany then the Wehrmacht conscripts and Soviet proles would unite to overthrow Germany, and he was convinced the Nazi regime would end with a popular overthrow.
>>2800119The desire to occupy and colonise the Falklands is quite literally just Zionism applied by the Argentinian fascist/ultra-nationalist right to their own regional context.
>>2800122Claiming that the Argentine government wants to expell the Kelpers is like claiming the Chinese government wants to expell all Taiwanese people from Taiwan. It's some weird white-genocide narrative bullshit.
Can you imagine if the Haitian revolt happened today? These first-world faux-marxist reactionaries would claim that L'ouverture is some reactionary strongman and cheer on the French for crushing the rebellion.
>>2800121he definitely exaggerates but it is true that the 'national and democratic consciousness' is better set up to break out of fascism with as few chains on it as possible
🇺🇸🇮🇱🇦🇷 VS 🇫🇰
I know which side I'm on and which side is imperialist and which isn't.
>>2800124So are the Kelpers welcome to stay, or is "decolonisation not a metaphor and they must all be blown up"?
>>2800130Again, Milei is literally the most pro-British politician possession in 100 years. He is more aligned with you than any elements within Argentine society that support actual Malvinas re-integration, doesn't matter what random postering trump tweets out.
>>2800132Kelpers are welcome. Non-Kelper British occupying forces, not, like what's so difficult to understand here the Argentine government not wanting a fucking British naval outpost on what it considers to be its sovereign territory under international law?
>>2800127If the Haitian revolt happened today y'all petty nationalists would be claiming it's a color revolution financed by AmeriKKKa and Spain against anti-imperialist France.
>>2800135Can you understand why Kelpers might want a military base given they've already been invaded, occupied, and killed by a foreign fascist power that claims their home?
>>2800128>he definitely exaggerates but it is true that the 'national and democratic consciousness' is better set up to break out of fascism with as few chains on it as possibleThe way I see it a victory for a nationalist regime against a genuinely threatening foreign threat (as the Brits would be to Brazil) would cause people to rally to it, like how the Germans taking France and Poland in WW2 convinced people even in Germany's upper class that Hitler was some "genius".
Personally I think its fascists that are humiliating themselves and clearly failing (as I'd argue the Trump admin is) that present the best opportunity to achieve political power.
>>2800138Yes, I understand that of course, the same way I understand how French settlers were terrified of the Algerian resistence movement but as a Marxist you are suppose to view the world not through the lense of moralistic appeals, you know.
>>2800136Good one but Amerikkka, isn't Amerikkka because we dislike burgers or something. It's Amerikkka because it's the current hegenomic super power. Anti-Americanism discourse is also inherently anti-German/pro-Zionist coded btw.
>>2800140>Personally I think its fascists that are humiliating themselves and clearly failing (as I'd argue the Trump admin is) that present the best opportunity to achieve political power.there's nobody to place chains on america like argentina would be subject to by the gangster imperialists if they lose
>>2800138>those military bases are actually wholesome you fucking chud!kek
>>2800051>who are rabidly third worldist and think calling for working class brits to be unironically tortured and genocided is somehow the pinnacle of Marxist thought?Based??
>>2800036You voted for the imperialist labour party that helped Amerikkka and Pissrael bomb tons of brown children to the stone age. British "leftism" is an infantile disorder
>>2799803And all of the Brits should be kicked out without compensation you zionist dog
>>2799871>Zionist is afraid of telling us the exact percentages of HitleritesLol
>>2800373you can be a proper citizen of bourgeois society and be a communist if you bother studying the class struggle scientifically sure, but in practice 99% of the middle classes arent engels bruh, sorry to say
>>2800387incorrect, this is not the conclusion to the book
>>2800060there's a nominally left wing government in UK and they're not only abetting genocide but they are the second biggest israel supplier for both weapons and intelligence, like who cares about "UN votes", UK's support actually materially matters way more than the symbolic vote of an illiterate libertarian's UN commission, both weapons-wise but also they're the biggest US base of operations in the current iranian adventure. literally britain is an island of pedophilic royalty playing US and israel lackeys and the world would be immediately and tangibly better if it was consumed by the ocean today.
>>2800373I don't think I finished it. I just remember the opening part against economism
>>2800373>>2800388cool, the book is about what is to be done in 1901 tsarist russia. i wonder what exactly these libs get out of it lmfao
>it will be clear that “freedom of criticism” means’ freedom for an opportunist trend in Social-Democracy, freedom to convert Social-Democracy into a democratic party of reform, freedom to introduce bourgeois ideas and bourgeois elements into socialism.this is basically the first chapter, arguing for a strict party. pretty funny to see ha$an larping with this exact book in hand lol
>>2800401capitalism has been fully developed everywhere for quite a few decades already
>>2800183Russians are doing voodoo on our AIs and youre laughing?
>>2800373I think it was, there's no point in creating a proletarian party because it would split the Kadets.
>>2800599Hasan is much closer to Adolf Hitler than Fidel Castro
>>2800606Cuba traded with fascist Spain so not exactly
>>2800613
moralism
What is the class position of streamers? Petty bourgeoisie, or are they lumpens, basically digital buskers asking for handouts?
>>2800643A streamer makes money from donations, so this is begging, but also from adverisements and sponsorships, which is rent. A streamer is not paid a wage, so is not a producer of value or surplus value. We can generally refer to them as "rentiers".
>>2800651The content itself is a product, the vods being a commodity the same way a musician is a commodity producing proletarian when they make a recording
>>2800643in the same category as writing columns for a magazine, the modern equivalent of propagating media through the printing press
>>2800643Same as musicians or in general artists, 90% working class self employed people barely making any money, the rest make enough to hire people and can be either petite-bougie or bougie at the end of the scale (Mr beast)
>>2800654That's like saying this sentence is a commodity.
The video is a rented asset which pays in ad revenue. Its the consumers who generate the clicks which circulates the value.
>>2800662>That's like saying this sentence is a commodity.thanks to AI, it is
>>2800662All your comments on reddit, youtube and even on here are being commodified.
>>2800662well that sentence specifically? no, but if you say ran something like a substack (i know) and you had to purchase it, then it indeed would be a commodity
>>2800667Maybe, but it is a valueless commodity.
Authors only get paid by rents.
If I didn't pay for a book, the world becomes richer, not poorer.
>>2800672That’s also very much true of music, which is why it’s almost impossible to sustain one’s self as a musician unless you’re already a cash cow for one of the big 3. those mp3s and flacs are infinitely copyable and easy to pirate
>>2800657If I had to say where petite-bougie moves to bougie its where they start to branch out as a brand and hire more than 10 people.
Mr Beast for example has food, plastic toy slop, charity outreach, fast food restaurants ect - its when the person starts to replicate themselves as a commodity and brand and starts to act like an enterprise rather than just someone paying 2-3 people to edit and film.
>>2800733>r/TrueAnonWhy is that shithole being posted here again?
>>2800736They have a lot of power and influence on the left.
>>2800662>saying this sentence is a commodityWriting is a comodoty. Pedophiles/Capitalists are using what you, I and everyone else writes to make money off of it.
>>2800739I agree thats jokes to quote that tard.
But it is pretty cringe for real. Infowars did get railroaded. A billion in damages is fucking mental.
real free thinker hours
>>2800934oh wow he fixed his hairline
>>2800739RT has been shit since Abby Martin left.
Not surprised
>>2800944It wasnt just that Martin left, anon, its english and euro branches were forcibly shut-down.
>>2800733>reddit opinionaI’m not reading that.
>>2799721THE CHUD COMMUNIST ALLIANCE IS COMING TOGETHER
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https://nitter.net/effthealgorithm/status/2049844370203939149 >>2800875>NormiesThose are LLM bots you stupid fucking nooticer
Are Hasan fans sentient?
>>2800599>>2800610You mean the guy who only larped as a marxist well past their national revolution to get USSR gibs? Riveting argument.
>>2801122>a gusano is gonna say that Cuba didn't go far enoughDo you retards ever hear yourselves talk?
>>2801129Ultra left and the ultra right are on the same side therefore their positions are irrelevant
>>2801129You are CIA. You are Imperialist.
>>2801142Does he think this means anything? Pretty sure the movie will fail on its own, it's kinda got some abysmal critical and audience ratings. Fucker's in the red on Metacritic
>>2801142PatSocs sure know how to pick their battles
>>2801133>>2801132>the CIA is pushing for communist demandsYou are genuinely a down's syndrome tier retard.
>>2801178The CIA factually funds "Communists" like MEK in Iran for example.
>>2801189The CIA funded Islamists to murder communists actually
>>2800373Is he searching for quotes about how Lenin would vote for Joe Biden?
>>2800373Zionists are famously not virtue signalling liars who hypocritically control vast amounts of wealth while letting holocaust survivors live in poverty. The real problem is a single himbo goyim having a few crumbs of gold. DISGUSTING!!!!!
>>2800651>from adverisements and sponsorships, which is rentcoincidentally here's a crazy story I heard about on Pod Damn America podcast:
https://www.businessinsider.com/forced-monkey-labor-allegations-stop-hellofresh-thailand-coconut-milk-2023-3?op=1 >>2800733>back to wokescoldingRFK eugenicists want more babies to die instead of surviving childbirth thanks to modern medicine with these chronics disabilities and you're helping manufacture consent for going back to the 19th century where there are no "retards" around for your Israeli style artistry and comedy to use as fodder
>>2800736>r/TrueAnon"I denounce Palestinians are neo-nazis for using antisemtic tropes, however I will scold you for denouncing the actual neo-nazi Graham Platner. I will always fight for his Zionism along with his liberal Zionist coworkers at the same PR Firm Zohran and Fetterman" - pro-Epstein DSA subreddit
>>2801142Every single person in CPI is autistic, Maupin included.
>>2801357crackhead goebbels invites gregor strasser onto his radio show
>>2801357>how many layers of spectacle is this?Not a lot, this is bottom tier spectacle. Now old haz from a couple years ago? That was top tier spectacle, but nowadays he's too serious and busy with that party of his
>>2801357Why are you, the same mentally ill retard, spam posting this thread with like a million potshots against the ACP and BadEmpanada? Fed energy. Let me guess, the most important issue to you is trans people or some shit, and you're also a left-com. You're also not even being sincere, you misrepresent BadEmpanada with a decontextualized quote. He says it's "this" primary contradiction, which grammatically means that he's referring to a given context, not speaking universally, not suggesting that is the SOLE primary contradiction. Moreover, BadEmpanada's analysis is rooted in Marxism and post-colonialism, and his opposition to racism has been infinitely more productive than anything mustered by the hypercritical, unproductive dregs of this board (i.e. people like you). It's also well-complimented by structural Marxist analysis, not in a way which is contradictory–BadEmpanada is one of the most vocal critics of naive intersectionality/radlib ID pol.
>>2801363meds, NOW! meds, NOW!
>>2801364Nothing of substance, just mental retardation, can't address anything I said. Boring. You are a retard and a wrecker.
>>2801365>>2801364The funny thing is I didn't even say anything schizo or incoherent. I was very much "to the point", and you the best thing you could come up with was a boring meme.
>>2801366dude you're trying to make this into some great truth, take your meds or leave
>>2801363I am not:
>>2801352, I am:
>>2801357and sir, you are in /ISG/, not in the place where the next Marxist breakthrough will be fathered, crowned, birthed, etc.
>>2801368You're deflecting away from reality and you know it. This being a random, obscure internet forum doesn't mean that you can flippantly post wrecker shit which is antithetical to Marxism. Your entire motive revolves around sabotaging actually existing movements and discrediting them based off stupid memes and uncharitable readings. If you want to feel complicit in leaving a legacy which amounts to disingenuous snark leveraged against people who are actually trying to do something, and if you want to, in this same process, effectively shirk Marxism with your left-com purist bullshit, then sure, enjoy doing absolutely nothing other than disassociating yourself and posting aloof, quasi-ironic nothingness with your free time. Very productive and not at all antagonistic to the premise of Marxism! Retard. All you are, in effect, is a wrecker, and deflecting away from this because you're "merely" on a forum doesn't change the content of your position. Should we also disallow any standards of moderation on this board and openly embrace right-wingers, because "it's just a forum, bro, I'm not literally writing Das Kapital, bro", or should we try to establish an understanding of reality which is rooted in honest reflection? Oh wait, you're not interested in doing that, you just want to post insouciant, disingenuous dogshit uncritically, and regress any attempts at unity in favor of an idealistic standard of purity you've preconceived, in a materialist movement meant to revolve around the ruthless criticism of all that exists.
>>2801372>>2801368Not going to bother continuing to respond to you though given that you're obviously a low autism score left-com who is probably like 19 years old and who has read maybe 2 books related to any of this shit at best, yet you have the audacity to behave in an arrogant manner. Pointless.
>>2801373good, no one wanted you anyway since you take this shit way too seriously
>>2801372>that you can flippantly post wrecker shit which is antithetical to Marxismau contraire, I posted
>>2801357 to show how ridiculous has become the red-brown alliance between the acp and nazis.
'of course, an ass-hat right winger like jake shield likes the acp' was the bit of the post.
>>2801386He's partially responding to his own post my guy
>>2801357>>2801385Ever thought that he has to go on these right-wing podcasts because no lefty podcast ever invites him and calls him a fascist?
>>2801423No one has to go on any podcast, it’s a shit medium and an unforced error
>>2801427>you should avoid modern mass media, it's a waste of timeFed shit
>>2801423Do you think there might be a reason nobody other than rightwingers wish to associate with him?
>>2801441rightoids are less afraid of being ostracized for who they have on their podcast? While lefty podcasts are more concerned with optics and moralizing?
Im no hazite, but the fascism accusation is a little bit ridiculous coming from a body politic that regularly endorses actual genocidal imperialists as "left wing" lol
>>2801443this. maduro is literally sitting in a new york jail and no one from mamdani to haz to aoc are defending him or agitating for his release. completely controlled pro-demonkkkrat fake opposition.
>>2801447What good would freeing him do?
>>2801438The internet is a series of echo chambers, it’s the opposite of mass, it’s individualized content that’s neoliberal in form and in character
>>2801447I thought he was in Colorado
>>2801357I'm actually okay with this if Haz convinces this guy to stop being a rightoid and leave his meth and crack addiction.
>>2801500Probably just some fool in a parasocial relationship with youtubers
>>2801443By boycotting Haz/Hinkle/the ACP leftist content creators are proving them right. "They are too afraid to debate us" seems true when they just try to give them either the silent treatment or just call them fascists which is really lazy. If Haz is really just some troglodyte fascist/Strasserist/Duginist shouldn't it be easy for people who make 1 hour video essays where they pretend to be smart and well-read to just push back or debunk them? Vijay Prashad didn't know Hinkle, had a completely normal discussion with him, and then his leftoid audience scolded him and he had to soyrage about Hinkle for no fucking reason.
Mark Fisher's Vampire Castle is an old work now, but still relevant I guess. It looks really bad for online leftists to be afraid of the ACP when IRL communists have no problems marching with them, even Trots, as recently shown in a joined ACP/RCA rally.
>>2800373Hasan was already making in excess of $250k
monthly average on Twitch back in 2021. That didn't count donations back then and is just one source of income. No doubt he has many investments and his family has the means to manage a large fortune like that. He's probably far richer than most people picture him.
And given how much of a DNC asset he's turned out to be, unsurprisingly, I'd bet on Hasan is gonna be on a tight leash during this trial period. I dunno if that leash is made of child rape, but there is certainly gonna be something, if he intends to keep climbing the DNC ladder.
>>2801178>>2801189The CIA has no ideological red lines, only American hegemony. They happily fund communists when it suits their political goals, although they would prefer some fascist contras but such types are not always available with popular support (and even the CIA can't just magically create that, at least not in the short term, they can over decades of infiltration, like the Ukrainian nationalist movement that took power in 2014).
Global South communists are not holy saints who are immune to be instrumentalized. The Communist Party of Iraq supported the 2003 American invasion.
>>2801526I agree with this, ACP are tailist and opportunist but just for the other bourgeois party. Which I think is a necessary, it creates pressure on both fronts and forces the bourgeois to have to combat socialism and anti-imperialsim from every side.
>>2801526Leftoids would rather see the Republicans in power for the next 100 years than the ACP to be in power for 8, which says everything.
>>2801531I had hopes for Hasan when Trump's second term started, he seemed genuinely upset and done with the Dems. Now at the midterms he is running around campaigning uncritically for the likes of Cory Bush. Sad.
Just watch his interview with Varoufakis, Varoufakis is neither super radical nor super principled, and he genuinely asks him why he even tries to influence the Dems, he had no answer.
>>2801526>Guise you need to invite the person who shat on the pool again, to the party>Otherwise you are proving them right, when they shit themselves on poolsExcept you have already invited them a dozen times. And the fucker keeps shitting the pool for clout on social media.
>>2801534I mean, I can endlessly critique the dumb things Haz has said and written over the years, but I give the ACP this: They are young and motivated, and don't give a shit about political correctness, which is more than I can say for CPUSA (which kinda vanished from the face of the earth since like two years or so?) or the PSL (which invited neocon Kat Abrakadabrachewbacka to the People's Forum). Obviously for a proper representation of the American people, they need more women to stave off the incel allegations and generally some people from more diverse backgrounds, most of their photos are like five white dudes in suits.
I'm willing to give them a chance, why not, we don't have the luxury of being choosey, and I saw some decent people in the ACP who do not display Haz's and Hinkle's whacky mannerisms.
>>2801526>By boycotting Haz/Hinkle/the ACP leftist content creators are proving them right. "They are too afraid to debate us" seems true when they just The reason they do this is because they're trying to get attention and advertise their org and gain recruits. Haz and Hinkle are streamers (and also provocateurs) who are competing with the other leftist "content creators" for the same audience. So the other "content creators" can either have them on even though they're directly competing with each other or ignore them which they'll use to say people are afraid of them.
>as recently shown in a joined ACP/RCA rally.Well it's very unlikely they planned that together, like you know how these things happen, they just showed up to the same May Day march. In my experience (albeit very particular and locally) it has always been kind of goofy because the AFL-CIO would actually organize the May Day event and bring out a crowd of (predominantly middle-aged, black) members of the AFT and SEIU and then six different Marxist groups would show up, each with maybe five people. I came away with the impression that the more of these groups there are, the less relevant it all is politically.
>>2801538Haz debated some leftists when he was still just a streamer. Now, when he's a bit more serious with the ACP and stuff, he gets boycotted but not criticized properly, the only substantial critique I saw was that long-ass article from this Geese Magazine.
Controversy also brings viewers and popularity. If Haz would go on The Deprogram podcast or on Hasan it would go super viral, stir a lot of constructive debate, I do believe that.
Instead he has to go on some crackhead neonazi podcast like that of Jake Shields, which nobody really has the nerve to watch for two hours straight.
>>2801540>The reason they do this is because they're trying to get attention and advertise their org and gain recruits. and this is le bad?
>>2801543I mean it makes sense for them, but if you weren't in the ACP then why would you have them on.
Breakthrough News for example is a PSL outfit. Why would they advertise an org that is trying to poach their membership.
>>2801540>The reason they do this is because they're trying to get attention and advertise their org and gain recruits. Like every other content creator who is a front for the organization they are part of? BE is also a massive provocateur, albeit he has no organization he's part of, and no responsibility in that regard. Also I think you are exaggerating, they provoke but in their individual streams (Infrared with Haz, Legitimate Targets with Hinkle) they don't shill for the ACP nearly as intense and you seem to insinuate.
>So the other "content creators" can either have them on even though they're directly competing with each otherWhen they have no organization behind them they only compete with viewers, and more often than not they are shared mutually and boosted mutually when you have such a persona non grata like Haz on.
>Well it's very unlikely they planned that together, like you know how these things happen, they just showed up to the same May Day marchI'm not American but from my organizational experience it is almost always discussed beforehand with whom you march, in what block you march, etc. - often in excruciating detail, even in autonomous/anarchistic groups, let alone Leninist cadre organizations. We had two hour debates in my party whether or not we would march in a block with a particular group.
>>2801547Because their org has been fucking successful?
>>2801551>I'm not American but from my organizational experience it is almost always discussed beforehand with whom you march, in what block you march, etc. Then people seem much more organized and discerning where you're from. I think in the U.S. the reality is more often that the Marxist groups just show up at the march and pull out signs. The labor people in my city couldn't even get enough people for a march so they'd have a rally / event in a park and different groups would set up tents and tables with their literature on it, and there was some coordination there because the groups would pay a small fee to the AFL-CIO for a space (except one of the Trot groups which promised to pay and then didn't lol).
>>2801552>Because their org has been fucking successful?Tbh I used to care more about the differences between these groups, but now these groups more and more look pretty similar to me. I'm talking about the sectarian left. There being just another Marxist sect that marches around with Stalin banners and is hostile to all the other ones isn't really anything different.
>>2801581Nick Fuentes is more of a threat to the system than Hasan
>>2801593neither nick fuentes, nor hasan, nor epsteiny
>>2801581AIPAC knows well if they promote a liberal zionist democrat collaborator as a "extremist" they are siphoning attention from actual ""left wing extremists"" (Read: marxist-leninists/maoists/anti-revisionists).
They ofc know hasan is a ziodog grifter but still keep attacking him because he is part of a approved compatible left instead of actual leftists
>>2801635dude maoists, mls/anti-revisionists are nothing, no one cares about them, if they were a threat they'd already be destroyed
>>2801539Once again im agreeing, expect for the women part. The best case scenario for the ACP is recreating the trump 2024 coalition. Young unemployed or underemployed men, the uneducated and small business tyrants. If the ACP could bring those people along in a united front with the DSAs coaltion then we got an actual political party with weight behind that could challenge both parties and or organize outside the election system itself. They can be the DSA-ACP party and the do like the democrat-republican and divorce afterwards but im at the point of backing anyone that can challenge the republocrat criminal cartel. The American political landscape for the last 40 years has been
>do you want woke austerity/imperialism or unwoke austerity/imperialism. It's would be a billion times better if we could have woke socialism/anti-imperlisim vs unwoke socialism/anti-imperialism jnstead.
>>2801660None of that will happen and you need to go outside
>>2801558>except one of the Trot groups which promised to pay and then didn't lolThey decided not to pay once the iPad got flipped around they asked for a tip lmao
>>2801423well I didn't want to listen to the podcast, but given how ridiculous became this conversation, after listen to it, you can see why no one invites them to a podcast:
Haz:
>34:59>people are confused about what communism is. So, communism is, first of all, a guiding principle. It's not necessarily>a specific form of how society is um is organized in the sense of like uh it>looks a certain way specifically. It's more like it's run in a certain way.> It's not necessarily a specific form of how society is um is organized ??????It's the dictatorship of the proletariat, it's necessarily a specific form of how society is organized.
to be honest, it's pure cacophony. I can't withstand psue intellectualism disguised as communist rhetoric, made to appease a specific spectrum of the society, that will simply create a brown-red alliance.
>>2801443>While lefty podcasts are more concerned with optics and moralizing?no, actual communist spaces recognize bullshit.
As I quoted here:
>>2801715>>2801447I haven't seen the acp organizing a rally for the release of Maduro in New York.
Have they?
>>2801581what a load of bullcrap. literally the congress passed a resolution to condemn Hasan. nick fuentes? nimarata nikki randhawa haley's son uses a hoodie of nick fuentes while hanging out with tucker carlson.
the powerful doesn't use Hasan's Piker merch.
>>2801531he already declared that america's main contradiction is race war.
he's a pseud, and a pseud only.
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