>>2697047Truthnuke progressivecels are not ready to accept
>>2697186Hes one hundred percent correct.
Your eyes have been clouded by liberalism. Once those shed you too will be againt the sexual exploitation (rape) of women.
>>2697186typa person who thinks petit bourgeois is a moral judgement and not just the amorphous class that includes everyone that is between proletarian and haute bourgeois and gets mad at the word irrationally
>>2697047Gig based.
This is the ultimate filter for liberals and principled communists.
Prostitutes are labour deserters. Cam where's have no place in the people's revolution. They must know how to engage in productive labour.
I would love to jack off on camera for hours and get paid for it but buildings need to get built, food needs to be produced.
>>2697186True, but only because uploading naked pictures of yourself on an online platform doesn't make you a "sex worker" anymore than being a porn illustrator on Patreon does.
>>2697047I'm not sure how call girls and other such high class hoes are petite bourgusie per-say but stupidpolcels have always been pretty loose with their application of Marxist jargon inspite of their purity politics.
Not to say I'm pro-hookering however.
>>2697234>labour deserters?
yeah prostitutes arent proletarian bc theyre absolutely fucked by pimps and the nature of their job (like some typical housemaid wouldnt be a proletarian either bc they dont associate with other workers etc etc) but your post is just silly
>>2697238>call girls and other such high class hoesidk that post explicitly only refers to online grifts, where are you even reading this lol
>>2697186>You should be permanently banned.You should get sent by the state on to the street to work as a prostitute next time you sign on to unemployment benefits.
>>2697170>I need those to feel goodI really cannot wait until the post-rev male gulags.
>>2696480>>2697047>>2697238man it depends on the exact context, "sex worker" is such a vague term. its like using "movie worker" to mean anything from David Zaslav to an assistant lighting technician on an indie production
for example, there are probably genuinely proletarian sex workers in sectors like the porn industry and similar, and onlyfans owners are petit bourgeoise, but the general image that comes to mind when people think "sex worker", the classic "prostitute", is just lumpen
i refuse to use the term "sex worker" on account of it both being a weird liberal sanitisation of what actually happens and pretty unhelpful for actual analysis. theres a colossal material difference between street prostitutes and someone who sells nudes online. ironically pretty similar for the extremely insidious term "swerf", which in practice just seeks to equate any criticism of one of the most sordid industries out there with having stupid prejudices against trans people
You mean to tell me that Nevada has legal brothels? And that women work at them? Literally having sex with Johns as their labor source? You mean to tell me that these are women who are literally sleeping with people as their labor? Not onlyfans models on Xitter?
Can someone tell this poor woman that she's misguided and actually not a worker? We all know it's bad optics to have sex workers in our movement? Can't this chick see that she's actually petit-bourgeois? If only she read the right instagram accounts, she'd know that unionizing sex workers? Actually counter-revolutionary.
https://www.instagram.com/adalindgray_official>>2697234>They must know how to engage in productive labour.A prostitute that has a pimp and gives him her earnings is engaging in productive labour because they are producing surplus value.
>>2697240Housewives are also labour deserters.
Don't try to morality your way out of this. Both are labour westerners and housewives and prostitutes should be abolished under socialism
>>2697275Making some dude cum in your ass is really productive labour
>>2697234>>2697275there are proles engaged in unproductive labor and non-proles engaged in productive labor btw, stop trying to turn communism into sociology
>>2697276XD
>>2697276>labour westernersThe M3W-GPT bot is glitching out.
>>2697273if a woman in a Nevada brothel is unionizing, she is, by any materialist definition, a worker.
>>2697277There is no currently active party taken seriously that makes the distinction between "productive" and "unproductive" labor in terms of workers who can or can't join. I look forward to you explaining how Starbucks laborers are class traitors or some other fed-backed nonsense designed to trigger (you)s
It is interesting how this rhetoric was popularized by Hazcels, and "unproductive labor" is usually, almost always, a misnomer used to describe jobs primarily held by women.
I'm typing while driving reyards
>>2697277Generating surplus value is productive labour, regardless of what commodity is being sold. You understand that services are commodities yes?
If sex work is work why can't we all just quit our jobs and jack off on camera instead?
The world will still run right?
>>2697296Anon if everybody quit their jobs to grow watermelons the world economy would collapse. That doesn't mean watermelon farming isn't work.
>>2697296if mowing the lawn is work, why can't we all quit our jobs and cut the grass instead?
The world will still run right?
This place might as well be reddit being full of liberal gooners and all.
Productive labor produces something. Unproductive labor doesn't produce a thing, some unproductive labor is necessary for society to function
See slaves are not essential for society.
>>2697289>if a woman in a Nevada brothel is unionizing, she is, by any materialist definition, a worker.yeah w/e bro, ive made it pretty obvious im talking about streamers and shit, or prostitutes who are abused on the streets. not that being a worker automatically makes you proletarian or even CEOs and cops would be included lol, but people here are incapable of nuance and critical analysis so every discussion is just one midwit's slogans against another's
>popularized by Hazcelsthat misconception is much older you amerilard zoomie, communism didnt start with leftoidpol or twitter
>>2697304Do you consider a Waitress at Hooters/Twin Peaks to be doing sex work? Simple question.
>>2697306>write long ass post about how "sex work" as a term is stupidly vague and useless>get ignored and get asked this shit insteadawesome web forum you have here fellas
>>2697303>Productive labor produces somethingYes, it produces surplus value.
>>2697280>stop trying to turn communism into sociologywhat do you mean by this
>>2697260>>2697322the proletarians struggle is to abolish wage-work, ie the exploitation of labor. abolishing prostitution is but one aspect of that
>le bad for societysince when are communists concerned with such moral matters, especially about removing the "bad" aspects of bourgeois society?
>>2697311It's a really simple question. Do you consider a Waitress at Hooters/Twin Peaks to be doing sex work? Could it be that the dichotomy between "rich onlyfans model" and "forced at gunpoint to fuck people in a motel" is not really how the real world works?
If Hooters girls decided to unionize, maybe for better wages, better hours, protection from being harassed by patrons, the ownership of their likeness as it appears in promotional materials (ie Hooters calendars) would you support this unionization effort?
If the answer is no, you wouldn't support them, are you going to talk about unproductive labor? If the answer is yes, then why would it be any different for women working legal brothels?
>>2697315No one disputes they are exploited.
The shop owner is also exploited by the landlord his shop is located on.
>>2697327leftoids here (and everywhere else too) get hung up too much on isolated sentences to think about what makes the proletariat and what makes the middle classes or whatever
>>2697330>uygha still trying to enforce their dichotomy and assuming a lot of bullshit about meyou are an actual retard lmao. please point to what post ive made where i am against fucking unions(!) of all things or where ive even used productive/unproductive as an important factor in what determines ones relation to class (pls ignore the multiple ones where i do the exact opposite!!)
>>2697330That's simply economism for protitutes.
Cops have unions, does that make them workers?
>>2697338Yes but they are exploited in exactly the same way as any other worker. A shop owner paying his landlord is exploited via rent seeking, not extraction of surplus value. A prostitute sells her labour power to her pimp for less than the exchange value of the service she provides, just like any other worker.
>>2697329>since when are communists concerned with such moral mattersNever said anything about morality. It's a waste of labor power and resources.
i wish discussions here would deal with classes instead of "people"
>>2697348worker is not synonym with proletarian. yeah cops are workers lol. not everyone struggling over wages is proletarian but the vast majority are
>>2697352you cant begin and end with exploitation or even managers would be proletarians too, even with your amendment to your original post
>>2697358>its not morality, its efficiency!!trying to make capitalism more efficient isnt communism either
>>2697352Pimps exploit prostitutes the same way slaves were they don't get wages
>>2697364>trying to make capitalism more efficient isnt communismunions aren't communism either…
>>2697358"Waste" is a moral label.
>>2697381>"Waste" is a moral label.Am I being trolled?
>>2697373This whole discussion in general is so painfully online and bourgeois, half of its fuel is coming from the prevalence of onlyfans.
>>2697358Ok, you get your wish. Prostitution is eradicated and so is porn. The porn stars get another job and make less money and the prostitutes become homeless and starve, wholesome 💯 victory.
Leaving aside the obvious moralizing under the guise of efficiency, what is your great insight? The fact that prostitution wouldn't exist in communist society? Congrats for putting 2 and 2 together, I guess.
>>2697358you called it "le bad", thats a moral judgement
>>2697387The prostitutes are already homeless…. This is part of the issue we have.
>>2697380sure, not inherently, but workers fighting over their own wages clearly is (and no i dont mean minimum wage laws)
>>2697387Should hitmen unionize or not? What about meth dealers?
>>2697390Is "I have a bad back" a moral statement? It also has the word "bad" in it.
>>2697409>Is "I have a bad back" a moral statement?no, but saying something is "bad for society" without further elaboration is, regardless if inside your head you had the context
>>2697409did your back murder someone?
>>2697394Fighting over wages is just a part of class struggle not the end goal.
Ultimately having everyone in a union is not necessary to building a revolutionary movement or building a state. Majority of the population of revolutionary Russia and China were peasants who had nothing to do with unions. Unions were great organizing tools 100 years ago but It seems to have passed it's usefulness.
>>2697421>>2697494Are hitmen good for society?
>>2697514oh this retard is a maotard, that explains why all your posts are utter dogshit lol
>Fighting over wages is just a part of class struggle not the end goal.communism literally starts with the fight over wages LOL. nobody said anything about "end goal", i stated it is existing communism - aka THE proletarian struggle - which is empirically correct
>Unions were great organizing tools 100 years ago but It seems to have passed it's usefulness.lol say youre a sheltered faggot without saying youre a sheltered faggot. the union form is still where proletarians associate and struggle today, that theyve been castrated by the state is another matter entirely
>Are hitmen good for society?uygha became a broken record 💔 idc about bourgeois society and neither do immiserated wage workers. if you had read marx you could at least argue that prostitutes are politically and economically impotent and theres no proletarian association thats going to develop out of the lumpen class but youre here bringing up shit about "efficiency" lmao
>>2697519>communism literally starts with the fight over wagesno it doesn't
you are retarded
>>2697519>the union form is still where proletarians associate and struggle todayno, it's where the labor aristocrats do
proletarians struggle and associate through much better organizations - states. see dprk, china, etc.
and they are associate and struggle against your bourgie sex trafficking rapist epsteinite kind
It took women millenia to stop trading sex for subsistence, they now can trade labor for subsistence like me.
Let's not turn back the clock 1000 years.
>>2697542>It took women millenia to stop trading sex for subsistenceThat hasn't stopped.
>>2697519>maotardRevolutionary Russia is maoist?
>i stated it is existing communism - aka THE proletarian struggleSo asking your boss for a raise is communism now? top tier leftcom retardation
> the union form is still where proletarians associate and struggle today,All 9% of them…
>that theyve been castrated by the state is another matter entirelyIt's not a different matter when it comes to their possible organizational abilities of organizing revolutionary movements. Government interference is part of that.
>uygha became a broken recordIt's funny how you avoid giving a straight answer and keep dancing around it. If you support prostitution unions, why not also support hitmen unions or meth maker unions?
I'm a trotskyist. Thoughts?
>>2697607Have you read everything Lenin wrote about Trotsky?
>>2697611No. What's his overall opinion?
>>2697613there is a playlist on youtube about it, you should check it out about before fully taking the trotpill
>>2697529Holy shit, dude. You might not like that communism begins with the struggle over wages, but it's an undeniable fact. Do you think communism started because someone conceptualized it in a vacuum and then reality followed suit or because workers started collectively bargaining for better wages? People like Marx analyzed this and concluded the immiserated wage worker can only effectively improve their situation by getting rid of class society altogether, but that doesn't change how communism historically came to be.
>proletarians struggle and associate through much better organizations - states. see dprk, china, etc.Oh, it's just another unfunny moron trying to be epic.
>>2697630Unfortunately for the western prostitutes, some guy named carl mark already figured it out, so they can now start fighting the class war instead of asking their pimps for more cummies
I like BE
>>2697652everything I have learned about this retard has been against my will
>>2697671 (me)
i dunno about bad empanada but at this point i'm convinced that 90% of former dirtbags and xitter leftists are ontologically evil people
>>2697671What's surprising about this? Only fucking retard analyst watch or read right-wing media. Why would you consume your own propaganda? This is like Western Embassy staff reading Monde Diplomatic or Akahata.
>>2697677these people are supposed interlopers for the left and they're just casually dropping that they have had these boring stints at murder and torture inc in college, like this is complete eichmann shit, fuck these souless careerist ghouls.
>>2695999>Had a cult of personality and did not even bother to stop itIt's well known here that this is not the case.
>Many of the people who were purged by him where [sic] innocentI don't think Stalin was personally purging people left and right. This is just silly.
>>2697679>these people are supposed interlopers for the left and they're just casually dropping that they have had these boring stints at murder and torture inc in collegeThey're interlopers for the left because they watched Hasan or listened to Chapo in uni?
>>2697681i know you're an extremely retarded person and are unable to infer meaning given context and you are cattle who is going to be replaced by an LLM tomorrow, but sami gold (known liberal zionist and objectively an interloper for the left) is bragging that the CIA is more progressive and has overcome it's mccarthyite past, based on his *personal* experience meeting CIA glowies, as in, they're watching Hasan because they feel personally identified with his politics, and thus participate in the "american left". of course you can spin it as CIA interns doing reconnaissance or whatever, though it's obviously more akin to the dumb cumtown sketch
>>2697630>communism begins with the struggle over wagesPrimitive communism didn't have wages.
>Oh, it's just another unfunny moron trying to be epic.You never said why states don't work for worker organization. You just insult anon and pretend you won. This isn't 4chan.
>>2697686>You never said why states don't work for worker organization. It's not that they don't work, but that getting to the point where you can establish one requires a lot of arduous struggle over more immediate, everyday needs. The struggle over wages is the first and most obvious area over which capital and labour comes into conflict. Therefore it's the first and most obvious issue around which to organize and begin building class consciousness.
>>2697685>known liberal zionist and objectively an interloper for the leftIf he's a zionist then he's not an interloper for the left.
>>2697690>If he's a zionist then he's not an interloper for the left.this is some shit tier no true scotsman garbage retort. the guy clearly presents himself as being on the left, god i knew you were dumb but holy shit.
>>2697691>the guy clearly presents himself as being on the leftThat doesn't mean he is lmao. The SPD at one time presented themselves as Marxists but they weren't.
>>2697685It's not reconnaissance lol, it's just that leftist media and analysis is objectively better so even ghouls and glowies will use it.
>>2697687>Therefore it's the first and most obvious issue around which to organize and begin building class consciousness.I don't disagree. The issue is when unions are seen as necessary and something workers must join to move communism forward. We are simply pointing out unions have been crippled for decades and so there needs to be other organizational forms to make the leap to statehood instead.
>>2697695>since capitalism has been a thingNice little caveat you just tacked on. You said the communism only began at the struggle over wages. Clearly this is historically wrong.
>bc thats totally relevant to the convo If Communism is not intrinsically tied to wage struggles that means even if wages are an important motivator for workers to try for communism, wage struggles aren't the only thing needed to reach it.
It's clear you want to have a reason why states are not necessary to reach communism. So you are trying to use a purposefully limited historiography of communism to reach the conclusion you want to reach.
>>2697652I wish the ACP people took the Empanada bait. However, if they are plagued by retards, they do have a common strength. Everyone is there for the grift. It's MLM (heh) but for clout based revenue businesses. The ACP looks less like a party ( or a cult) and more like a formalized version of the sort of clout networks which social media encourages. So they won't do shit unless someone above themselves approves of it. And I'd expect the top people to be smarter than that.
>>2697671if you think podcasts are politics you're ngmi
>>2697894I predict all american grifters will unite under one front, free healthcare, imperialism and treats, take my word for it.
>>2697894Materialist explanation is that, uh, hasan and asmongeld work for the same person or organisation
>>2697894Hasan is a liberal, asmongold is a cockroach, destiny is a pedophile and Twitch streamers should be sent to labour camps. Thats all the material explanation you need to know.
>>2697894I can half-forgive yanks for not blowing up Wallstreet.
I cannot forgive yanks for not murdering Destiny, Contrapoints and Ben Shapiro.
>>2697944Joe Rogan used to support Bernie but then he switched to the Republicans and invited Drumpf to his propaganda shit just for socio-political brownie points. I bet Rogan's scared of getting prosecuted by the glowies
>>2697894Asmongold is a supporter of Trump AND some Twitch moid who just put a shock collar on his dog? How intriguing…..
>>2697685>but sami gold (known liberal zionist and objectively an interloper for the left) is bragging that the CIA is more progressive and has overcome it's mccarthyite past>>2697726>It's not reconnaissance lol, it's just that leftist media and analysis is objectively better so even ghouls and glowies will use it.I met someone who worked for the National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency in D.C. once at a bar (that's one of the less impressive military intelligence ones), they're just around there, you run into them. "Oh what do you do?" They work for the State Department or whatever. Also saw the Russian military attache at another bar during happy hour, and "military attache" is almost definitely intelligence btw. They're just around D.C., it's part of the atmosphere.
Part of the issue with the CIA is that it's a clandestine intelligence agency so most people haven't met any CIA officers (that they know about) and don't really know who these people are. But I think a lot of them are relatively liberal in the social/cultural sense, and the job attracts high "open to experience" personalities with analytical characteristics. It's really not the boy's club that it was in the 1960s. But they do marketing that you're part of a group of diverse intelli-nerds who are interested in the world.
>>2698261How come the generation who grew up on South Park and Chappelle became PC is this what they call dianetics.
>>2698261>65 liketw tweetwhy care?
>>2698261The last tweet is actually correct.
>>2698261he's right, the 2010s leftoid cultural supremacy was extremely embarrassing and achieved nothing
but same is true of the preceding and proceeding chud cultural supremacy, in each phase of the cycle the two wings of social fascism pointing and crying at each other
>>2698520Looks like total unserious libshit. Abortions aren't nice fun things to have as a hobby.
>>2698376The left basically didn't exist in the 2010s and SJW shit, identity politics shit, was pure liberalism designed by think tanks to prevent anything like OWS from happening again.
>>2698261the fuck is unc even talking about hahahaha
>>2698549That "is" leftoidism
There's only marxism and liberalism, representing the two classes
>>2698549>ermmm not le REAL leftts is so funny dude why even bother changing what that UMBRELLA TERM encompasses down to just communism and absolutely nothing else, why not just flat out say communism at that point
>>2698564Anarchists (actual ones, not punk larpers) far and away outnumber "communists" within the US, and then, within the communist group, you have about 15 different ideological branches that everyone argues over as the "trve movement" (I love protestantism!).
Abolitionist is probably the best alternative to "leftist", abolishment of wage slavery being such a taboo topic that even the most radical people I know struggle to envision a world without. I don't want massa to have one less rocking chair and a smaller plantation porch, I want to stop being a fucking wage slave.
>>2698584uygha anarchism is far more ideological and vibes based than communism is, get outta here with your scare quotes LMFAO
>>2698584>Anarchists (actual ones, not punk larpers) far and away outnumber "communists" within the US,Yes because it's a liberal petty bourg ideology
This leftcom glownonymous needs to be impaled on a bayonet for distorting Marxism.
>>2698584I would say the subcultural issue of anarchism (REALLY ANY LEFTISM) doesn't come from punk/hardcore, rather from the distinct type of hipster activist that gets attracted to LEFT ideas thru via privilege of higher knowledge / resource access almost become like an academic sphere of organizers who aren't fully ingrained into the working class local terrain; they are merely activists with the language of revolutionary workers. this was a huge problem in the early 2000s onward - ish. There's people into hardcore music and punk that have served pretty long sentences for ELF, ALF stuff, people who have put a lot on the line or used their subcultures to raise funds and recruit people through art. Punk, Raves, Hip Hop underground, Hardcore music all represent spheres where the social network produces art outside of the bourgeois logic; even non political hardcore punks, or ravers see the more commercial versions of their culture as bastardization. This is something to encourage for people. I don't think belonging to any particular subculture as a radical organizer negates your seriousness or not. Many hip hop, punk / hardcore, and rave subcultures face a lowscale constant criminal investigation by the police in places where they are active, and there's even been raids against these subcultures base operations and events up into the 2000s. These are all working-class art movements to be celebrated.
Enough with the idealist wars of left-campism. We are in a pre-revolutionary period. How can every anti-capitalist keep one another vigilant, safe, and actively in tune to the working-class? Ask these questions, not "who has more". The future is not something that is written and easily defined by political labels.
>>2698644Hasan is right. DPRK is based and redpilled.
>>2698584>>2698762ignoring how fruitless and petit bourgeois it is to present art as meaningful political action or argue that there is only one true (insert your favorite artistic movement here), it is pretty funny how modern day punks ignore the early days of it before that one dead kennedys song
>>2698770forgot pic
also every few months people look up what joy division means and have discourse over it lol
>>2698824Post-Modernism is a poison.
>>2698824And yet MLs still trust bourgeois "research" against drugs and have been caught linking the NHI as a source here.
Quick to deny this? What can't be denied is the official policies of ML party lead states taking up the same stance as the US due to conventions pushed through the UN.
>>2698769Feminism is the progressive wing of fascism.
>>2698584That's because the powers that be want it to be so
wow this guy is even dumber than i thought
>>2698925>implying i subscribe to any leftoid ideologytake ur meds retard, im a communist
>>2699017in 2016 neonazis thought trump was secretly one of them
>>2699107literally whomst'
>>2699111some asshole mildly popular on left twitter
>>2699078Not a miso, but all the women I know under 60 years old outside my family have the absolute worst dogshit political opinions and all of those opinions are vibes based.
>>2698897what part of that meme is "post-modern"?
>>2699107He is right tho:
>be ruling class>have so much property and money that you BECOME money>let it get to your head>join the epstein class>start searching for metaphysical purposes in the supernatural because you already beat the game of natural reality>become more and more sadistic and insane>justify all that by declaring yourself god because you are basically a god in the eyes of many>succumb to retardation and death>wealth passes on to your designer psycho baby and he will repeat the cycle<why did you do it?>BECAUSE I AM CHOSEN FROM ATLANTIS AND I AM BETTER THAN YOU AND I DESERVE TO RULE OVER YOU SO BIW BEFORE ME PEASANT.Marx analysis has one flaw which is he doesn't consider the absolute incestuous schizo state and insanity of the ruling class that governs their actions. Just look at Alex Karp and tell me that guy is a rational capitalist and not some freak of nature. Im willing to bet the hidden rulers of capitalism are even more insane since they bottle it all up.
>>2698710>distorting Marxismplease elaborate, im interested in your gonzalopilled take
Leftoidpol brain drain still happening. I guess everyone left for Twitter or Discord.
>>2698824>>2698925Anyone with half a brain understands that natural science research isn't conducted in a vacuum outside of society but this is just retardation. Sure, marxists combat bourgeois ideology wherever and however it emerges, even in the natural sciences, and an example that should come to mind here is Lewontins work on scientific racism, but in the end further scientific evidence ended up discrediting such garbage like evolutionary psychology or race science anyway.
>>2699118Trick question, this is some philosophy midwit who's gonna pretend to not know what an umbrella term and tell you post-modernism isn't a real thing.
>>2699125>>have so much property and money that you BECOME money>>join the epstein classStopped reading there. They are and always have been the bourgeoisie and despite being the ruling class are still subject to the social relations of capital.
>>2699127>Trick questionit really isnt, I think the meme is basically just saying that economic interests will influence scientific research and/or consensus
in concrete I'm thinking about how so many people (psychiatrists included) still hold the chemical imbalance theory of depression, afaik its been disproven (maybe I'm wrong), but it benefits the SSRI industry
>>2699134Oh sure, another part of that issue is that many, many doctors don't even bother updating their own knowledge after getting their degree/license.
>>2698824the meme is right but to use it to justify anti-vaxx rhetoric is lmao
>>2699139yeah they dont give a fuck, there simply isnt much of an incentive to do it, but if you tell them you are sus about SSRI and the industry then you are paranoid "conspiracy theorist" lol
point is I dont think the meme is saying anything particulary "post-modern" in the way people usually use that term (meaning usually turbo-relativism + word salad), science as a concrete institution (as we know it at least) just cant be "pure and objective" all the time, this doesnt mean 2 + 2 = 4 isnt true or vaccines dont work
>>2699152>meaning usually turbo-relativism + word saladu clearly read the literature so well
>>2699428Why would I trust a guy that uses Griffith from Berserk as his ava? A character literally defined by betraying those close to him for ambition
Writing 4chan or even the whole right as an epstein off is actually a very useful debating strategy. At the very least it pisses them off.
>>2699439The band of the hawk was never 'close' to Griffith. Volume 12 is pretty clear about this. The many soldiers Griffith led were just tools for Griffith's ascension to the 'white castle in the sky'. Not ascending to the God Hand was tantamount to betraying all his fallen soldiers, who died for
his dream.
The last thing he says before the sacrifice is 'you are the only one who made me lose sight of my dream' (i.e Guts).
>>2699448Bro still shouldn't have raped Casca though. How did that help to accomplish his dream?
>>2699533How is opposing US sanctions on Cuba fascism-lite?
>>2699533He would have had to have actual critiques.
Dude has been a demon duck rider from day one. A liberal stooge on stream.
>>2699540When he became a vegetable he saw Casca and Guts being close and all. That hurt his yank twink fragile ego. So like a good yank, he rapes.
>>2699533>fascism lite>that pictureI don't get it. He didn't even mock or attack her in any way other than suggesting that she's wrong. Is merely not accepting that gusano filth's testimonies are relevant fascism now? Please explain it.
>>2699545>>2699612Even worse than fascist and that's incel. Although incel just usually means hetero male I don't like so it's fairly meaningless
>>2699612>>2699545I guess they're salty that he mentioned Obama eased the sanctions? That's just a fact though, and I think his point is how far the Democrats have capitulated to Trump since they won't even fight to restore Obama-era policy which was not as hawkish towards Cuba. He's making a statement about how inept and complacent the Democrats are and how far right they have allowed Trump to drag them.
>>2699118The part about science being embedded in social contexts is true, but as a whole the meme is opposing there being a truth to existence and it is being used as antivaxx propaganda. Maybe that isn't pomo but it's close enough, but idk if post-modernism is different I shouldn't have said it is that specifically and just called it religious idealism.
I didn't end up including this in the post, but I was going to say that there is a massive and unchecked problem with this weird kind of idealism among supposed socialists which arose from Marxists refusing to properly critisize utopian and bourgeois socialists like Liberation Theology, Hippyism and shit like that. Marxism always has to be scientific but once revisionism sets in the rot of religion creeps in. It starts with accepting religion as something more than a means of social control. It manifests as loss of a true vision for the future of humanity, and the transformation of socialism from a new stage of humanity into a reversion to the 'natural order' of humans. All they care about is Alienation, that is the heart of what they
Nature is fetishized as some beautiful special thing that should not be altered or changed, and people become enviromentalists for the sake of preserving nature rather than because the enviroment is necessary to keep us alive at the moment. They start to hate science as something "bourgeois" rather than love it as a part of technological progress. They stop trusting the power of the people to move mountains, to change the world, and instead envision communism as a hippy commune, they want to go backwards.
There is a complete and total lack of will to critisize others other than people to the left of them from these people, they are capitalist idealogues hiding inside the party who will support any revisionist socialist group and support the imperialist power of China conditionally, even though they will always deny it and say they are centrists.
this is like watching a demented Donald trump try to explain something
> They’ve got me out here pulling up Marxists.org to talk about jackets and qualitative value of labor as a sales pitch by capitalists because they’re circle jerking about how they could not have possibly missed the reference so in fact I must be stupid smhhttps://xcancel.com/JeanGreige/status/2024879579576602800#m<when I'm saying commodity fetishism I am NOT talking about really liking commodities<qualitative value of labor as a sales pitchdozens of people saying that commodity fetishism explains why a jacket is expensive and people are getting mad that theyre being called retarded 😭😭😭
>>2699017Reminder that not all Jews circumcize and claiming they do is antisemitic because it conflates Judaism with genital mutilation.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brit_shalom_(naming_ceremony) >>2699903I don't even know what any of this is about communist microceleb drama is tiresome
Which one of you leftychuds posted this?
Replies are surprisingly mild and wholesome.
https://archive.4plebs.org/pol/thread/528963877/>>2699903who is arguing what, seems like the pendleton woman is right. btw what a fancy ass name, i would have that rich person laugh if my name was pendleton
>>2699936>>2699936Well she is petty bourg and owns a clothes boutique
>>2699937sounds about right for someone called pendleton, what is she wrong about though?
>>2699911some leftoid grifter e-celeb constantly pretending to have read marx and then having the most dogshit takes imaginable and everytime someone who actually knows their shit debunks her you get dozens of replies having the same dumbass misconceptions about communism repeating her takes
>>2699936shes a pseud retard who thinks "commodity fetishism" is when you like commodities a lot or when luxury commodities are too expensive. last week she was trying to argue that marx believed in a linear model of history too btw
>>2699932I like how the schizophrenic retards on that site STILL believe that their mods and jannies are somehow leftists in cahoots with this site; like how delusional can they fucking be? Kek.
>>2699946>some leftoid grifter e-celeb constantly pretending to have read marx and then having the most dogshit takes imaginable and everytime someone who actually knows their shit debunks her you get dozens of replies having the same dumbass misconceptions about communism repeating her takesAnd why should anybody here care?
>>2700009Every communist project that actually succeeds is immediately le bad. If China got nuked into the stone age then all the people calling it an evil capitalist state would be calling it a socialist utopia overnight. It's all just rooting for the Jesus figure that gets crucified.
>>2699949a) youre on ISG
b) that pseud has a fairly big following across social media and has even published top selling books on leftoidism 👍
>>2700030Christian communists already have a Chinese jesus in the form of Jiang Qing
>>2700009Stalinists LOST.
>>2699945>i dont think its awesomekill this democrat worm
>>2700009This, ironically, means that the anti-china khruschevite social imperialist leftoids are the real tankies by the original definition
>>2700062Hitler lost, Khrushchev lied.
>>2700074He looks like a typical middle aged American white male in 2026
>>2700075nation of paul blarts, i like your style
>>2700086Xiaomi alone did more to increase the living standards of the third world proletarians than any westetn leftoid org has for 100 years
>>2700009Sounds like you're just mad even Khrushchevite USSR did more to help global communism than current day Dengoid China.
>>2700091>Communism is when you buy the right product!Why are MLoids like this?
>>2700097lol youre so retarded you cant even conceive what the other poster is talking about, nobody is talking about "consumerism" moron. you simply dont fight capitalism by choosing this or that product
>marxist humanism>talking about abstractions like le masses>proletariat never mentioned once>ideology ideology ideology>proletarians have no problem with capitalism when "things are ok" (?)>big conclusion isnt even that consumerism isnt even a concrete thingfucking rofl
>>2700097In which book does it say that once China sells enough Labubus and weapons to Israel they will achieve communism?
true leftists are not mraxists
>>2700127reminder that critical support for national liberation struggles is not third worldism
>>2700127what third worldist org out there is sabotaging real communism?
>>2700115Seriously. Khrushchev was a bad leader and most his policies were incredibly short sighted or outright stupid but he alone wasn't enough to take down the USSR. On the other hand China teamed up with America and actively attacked communist movements that had USSR support.
>>2700112Good thing communism isn't concerned with ideology and can't be placed on the left-right spectrum of
bourgeois politics then.
>>2700110>noooo third world proles aren't allowed to have electronics, they should all be in rice paddies and buying iphones from meeeee the westoid with a tech jobLeftoidism and nazism is a horseshoe
>>2700141shut up revisionist poruodnhist trotskylian fuck you thirld worldism leftcom
>>2700109Increasing the value of the labor power of the third world is objectively the class struggle
bordriga mah uygha
>>2700159Epstein island = anarchist commune (libertarians engaging in free love without government oversight)
https://www.jofreeman.com/joreen/tyranny.htmThis should be spammed until every anarchist stfus
>>2700145China lowered the labour power of the 3rd world by becoming a giant sweatshop and whirehouse for the west, effectively ensuring no third world country can't compete against Chinese industry and cheap labour force.
>>2700164You're a proudhonist-bakuninist larping as a communist
>>2700170You're a Lasallean Kautskyan economicist larping as a communist.
>>2700140USSR supported Nazi Germany and the KMT at one point. So what? It's dialectical debris. Anyways, USSR got swallowed up by historical materialism by positioning themselves outside of the collective historical process for too long. The Objective Geist doesn't like that. At least Xi was able to study it and take it to heart. But don't fret. The basis for socialism will be manufactured and exported back to Russia courtresy of the CPC. Thank you BRI orbit.
>>2700169Sucks to suck, skill issue.
Now have some dirt cheap solar panels and industrial equipment to untangle yourself from western monopoly lil bro
>>2700177BRICS is a joke
>>2700178China doesn't give you industry and infrastructure unless you're Israel bro.
>>2700177MLoids out here defending collaboration with Nazis and nationalists and then calling other people Hitler and liberals lmao.
>>2700181I didn't say BRICS. I said BRI. Anyways, China has built more roads, railways, factories, dams, ports and infrastructure in the past 20 years in Afirca than the West built in Africa in its 400 years there. It's the necessary stepping stone to exporting future 4IR tech, the master key.
>>2700189Both nazis and israel are lesser evils compared to great satan USA
>>2700190>China has built more roads, railways, factories, dams, ports and infrastructure in the past 20 years in Afirca than the WestMore like in Israel LMAO
>>2700189I'm morally detatched from either China or the USSR doing what they did. Marx caused reverbs within historical materialism itself by writing about the process of historical materialism so both countries found themselves in some uncanny experiment as dialectical conductors.
>>2700177>USSR supported Nazi Germany and the KMT at one point. And those were objectively wrong policy decisions.
Anyway, CPC teamed up with USA and fought fellow communists. Thus they delayed global communism, extended world poverty and capitalist exploitation by several decades. In exchange Mao got a failed great leap forward, a failed cultural revolution and stayed in power for a few more years. Was it really worth it?
>>2700217>CPC teamed up with USA and fought fellow communistsnta but they were directly fighting against the USA in the korean war and then embargoed by two super powers for multiple decades. so there was no coordination with America when they supported some rival maoist group that opposed some other soviet backed faction. it was the soviet union that cut off all aid, technical suppport and military support in the 1960 leaving china to go it alone. mao did not kick them out. delaying global communism? by the time the 1970s rolled around, soviet union was economically stagnating and wasn't even close to achieving communism within their territory while the USA was landing a man on the moon in 1969 and other capitalist countries were technologically advancing.
>>2700177the ussr never supported nazi germany you glowing piece of shit
>>2700293>in the 1960 leaving china to go it alone. mao did not kick them out.The Chinese side of the split really started when Mao ignored Soviet engineers warning him not to do the great leap forward. After that failure China and Albania publicly accused the USSR of being revisionist in a public by 1960. Yes, Khrushchev was revisionist and his polices were bad but was that really the best way to address the situation? No, it was fundamentally a ploy to distract from how bad it was in China at the time. They should have taken all the materiel aid and expertise they could get to build themselves up first. Not publicly attack the one country that was giving them aid at the time.
>soviet union was economically stagnating3% growth isn't actually bad. Not good but not horrible. Could have been much better if they were not fighting on so many fronts.
> other capitalist countries were technologically advancing.The technological difference between them wasn't that big. While the Union was slightly behind it wasn't as as behind as the rest of the world. Again if it worked with China the gap would be closed even further.
>>2700082That is sad to hear. What was the cause of death? RIP
I'm not going to any event wherein masks are required. Why do some leftists want us to live in 2020 forever?
>>2700328>Not publicly attack the one country that was giving them aid at the time.china's public criticism came after the withdrawal, not before. the soviets disagreed with china's policies and pulled out. before then, Mao internally disagreed with soviets policy but he still wanted to work with the soviet union. he prioritized his own economic policy but still valued soviet technical help in nuclear tech and various large scale projects like power plants, rail ways, factories and so on. it was khrushchev that compleletely ended cooperation. stalin would have never pulled out.
>3% growth isn't actually baddude, the life expectancy for Soviet men began to stagnate and decline. that was something systemically wrong. they call it застой, the era of stagnation, not my words. they were falling behind in computing, producivity and civilian technology, but it was the microelectronics revolution that really sharpened the gap. there was also the chronic consumer goods shortages.
>Could have been much better if they were not fighting on so many fronts.the problem is that by the time they were fighting on many fronts in the late 1970s, the structural economic weaknesses were already in place. the 1979 invasion just added more strain.
rip in peperoni hotwheels
>>2700362>china's public criticism came after the withdrawal, not before.They could have restored aid at any point. But why throw good investment at bad when Mao was dead set on pretending the great leap forward worked and insisting China do it's own thing. CPC should have forced Mao out of leadership backtracked on their previous polices and then moved forward.
>still valued soviet technical help in nuclear techOf course he would want to just be given nukes Everyone would. Doesn't mean it's rational for the USSR to hand them out because of a one sided "cooperation" where China demands stuff.
>stalin would have never pulled out.Yeah but he would have been able to talk Mao out of great leap forward in the first place.
> the life expectancy for Soviet men began to stagnate and decline. Then it dropped 10 years immediately after capitalism was restored so they were still doing something correct previously to keep it as high as it was.
>that was something systemically wrong. Market organization of economy instead of plans, half-assed reforms and lackluster anti-corruption campaigns.
>the era of stagnationRight and that 3% growth I pointed at earlier shows that the name is a purposefully propagandistic misnomer.
>hey were falling behind in computing, producivity and civilian technologyYet they were still in front of the rest of the world on all fronts.
>there was also the chronic consumer goods shortages.Because so much went into the military and supporting communist fighting capitalist around the world. Even so, average person's life in the USSR and Eastern block was still above the third world including China.
>the structural economic weaknesses were already in place.So what? China was in a weaker position yet they turned it around. Main difference is CPSU gave up political control during glasnost yet CPC did the opposite and sent in the tanks to crush the Liberals. USSR could have even survived full on Dengist market reforms if the CPSU didn't fuck up the political aspect as badly as they did.
>>2700009Khrushchevite inventions:
>period of biggest increase of living standards in the USSR >majestic corn fields>almost invented the internet before brezhnevites shut it down>internationalism in Africa, Asia, and LATAM>space travel>commieblocksStalinist inventions:
>Israel>trade with Nazi Germany>killing every Old Bolshevik>destroying your own military high command>famineYeah I think I'll stay CORNPILLED
>>2700127>The point is to stop any real change from happeningreal change happening in not contingent on what retards here post
protip: if you live in a liberal democracy (doesnt matter if you are a firstie or a thirdie) its already over
>>2700140>On the other hand China teamed up with America and actively attacked communist movements that had USSR supportits funny that in a way mao did more for the american empire than any american president of the last three decades
marxists cant help themselves from getting on the side of capitalism, when will they learn?
>>2700127Complaining about "third worldism" is the real CIA psy-op
>>2700486>>IsraelStalin did not invent Israel and was distinctly anti zionist throughout his life
>trade with Nazi GermanyThe Soviet Union under Stalin destroyed nazi germany and made hitler kill himself
>killing every Old BolshevikNo, many survived the purges, were not affected at all or deserved it. The whole concept of giving certain bolsheviks special considerations for being "old" is ridiculous anyways
>destroying your own military high commandIrrelevant, Soviet Union still defeated nazi germany with relative ease. Might have been more difficult if the old military high command had couped Stalin or whatever
>famineStalin's collectivization efforts actually prevented further famines, which were extremely common before, from happening ever again
Why are you such a lib anon?
>>2700549>Stalin did not invent Israel and was distinctly anti zionist throughout his lifeThe USSR was one of the first states to recognize Israel.
>Soviet Union still defeated nazi germany with relative ease"Relative ease" is a really weird way to describe losing 25 million people having huge swathes of your country occupied. The rest of your post is pretty accurate, but Khruschev is still over-hated. He didn't really do anything that Stalin hadn't done, and he did a few things better.
>>2700293>so there was no coordination with America when they supported some rival maoist group that opposed some other soviet backed factionThe Chinese didn't just back rival Maoist factions or anti-Soviet communists (an oxymoron imo, "Neither Washington nor Moscow" means Washington regardless of whether Trots or Maoists are saying it). They backed outright anti-communists like UNITA and the Munahideen, and did so in direct coordination with the US.
>>2700554What totality of facts am I ignoring? What does being "anti-Zionist throughout his life" amount to when he adopts an objectively pro-Zionist policy when it actually matters?
>>2700555>What totality of facts am I ignoring? What does being "anti-Zionist throughout his life" amount to when he adopts an objectively pro-Zionist policy when it actually matters?Palestine/Israel (same thing really) was overripe for socialist revolution. Stalin was betting on proletarian internationalism, but the local Palestinian/Israeli proletariat fell into nationalism. Honestly, you can't blame Joe for nothing that happened in Judea.
>>2700552>The USSR was one of the first states to recognize Israel.So? That doesn't mean Stalin or the Soviet Union were responsible for its founding. (Anyone who want to bring up the Czechoslovak arms needs to immediately kill themselves for being a memebrained retard)
>"Relative ease" is a really weird way to describe losing 25 million people having huge swathes of your country occupiedIt's relative because that would have likely happened regardless of anything
>but Khruschev is still over-hated. He didn't really do anything that Stalin hadn't done, and he did a few things better.Im personally not a big corndog hater. But his denouncement of Stalin (And by extension the soviet system up until that point), for seemingly no other reason than to strengthen his own political position, was a terrible start to the rest of soviet history. Plus the whole sino/soviet split it led to, etc.
>>2700552>He didn't really do anything that Stalin hadn't done, and he did a few things betterdid stalin tell communist parties around the world that revolution was not necessary and that democratic socialism was possible?
>>2700552>The USSR was one of the first states to recognize Israel. and was one of the first to arm oppositions in syria.
>"Relative ease" is a really weird way to describe losing 25 million people having huge swathes of your country occupiedGermany was just one guy, not the most advanced army at the time that did the biggest armed invasion in history against the USSR plus genocidal intent, it's just a detail i guess.
>but Khruschev is still over-hated.the Secret speech was the most retarded move any government did in history of governing a nation did , there is not a single government that just established itself that just shits on every member of a 25 long leadership that fought against every single one of it's enemies, there is many leader just like stalin, but none of them got turned into a black legend like khruschev did, that was used by gorbachev extensively to shit on lenin and justify desolation, but it's Khruschev whole deal of wanting to be a special snowflake, his entire leadership was trying to make epik changes that showed that hecking stalinoids who was the boss, but became unpopular and changed nothing or even screwed up the USSR in the end.
>He didn't really do anything that Stalin hadn't done, and he did a few things better.the only thing he did that was better than stalin was his foreign policy, that's fax.
but he did destroy every artels and had no objective replacement thus started the whole shadow economy from his brilliant brain.
>>2700562>did stalin tell communist parties around the world that revolution was not necessary and that democratic socialism was possible?No but he initiated the popular front wherein communists subordinated themselves to liberals, dismantled the Comintern, and abandoned ongoing communist revolutions for the sake of good relations with the West. Khruschev still in practice supported communist revolutionary struggles all around the world.
>>2700567>and was one of the first to arm oppositions in syriaWasn't that Khruschev?
>Germany was just one guy, not the most advanced army at the time that did the biggest armed invasion in historyI'm not really sure what you're getting at here. Sure the Axis forces were very formidable but my point is saying they won with "relative ease" seems pretty insane to me. It was literally the bloodiest and most difficult struggle in human history, and I find it really hard to look at how the war played out and believe that it couldn't possibly have gone better for the Soviets.
>the Secret speech was the most retarded move any government did in history of governing a nation didIt was retarded but as a materialist I'm not inclined to believe that an entire state or world historical movement can be destroyed or even crippled by one leader denouncing a previous one. If it can then it says a lot more about the shakiness of the state in question and the weakness of its legitimacy.
>>2700408you're just greentext spam replying with things that have nothing to do with your original failed argument. life expectacy of men was already declining because of structural economic problems by the 1970s, they were way off the path of achieving communism let alone some global communism. the US had already landed on the moon, and countries like japan and taiwan were advancing rapidly in tech. china who they burned off weren't controlling the soviet's economic policy
>>2700576>Wasn't that Khruschev?No
<The Soviet media stated that the anti-imperialist bloc would support the just cause of the Arabs; these were by no means empty promises. Throughout the 1948 War, the USSR and the Peoples’ Democracies of Eastern Europe covertly furnished the Arabs with military assistance. With respect to military aid to the Arabs, however, another excerpt of the previously mentioned Soviet-Syrian and Soviet-Lebanese secret treaties in 1946 was as follows:
<The Soviet Union agrees to send a sufficient number of military personnel to Syria, comprising military instructors and high-ranking officers, in order to help Syria to build up as rapidly as possible a national army of some strength. (The Soviet Union and Egypt, 1945-55, Rami Ginat, 1993, p. 70. Citing: From Encroachment to Involvement, a Documentary Study of Soviet Policy in the Middle East, 1945-1973. Israel University Press, Yaacov Ro’i, 1974, pp. 29-30) (IMG)
<And the same type of deal was made in the secret treaty with Lebanon:
<A secret treaty between the USSR and the Lebanese government based on these [above] clauses, was signed two days later. (The Soviet Union and Egypt, 1945-55, Rami Ginat, 1993, p. 70) (IMG) >>2700576>It was retarded but as a materialistfrom a strictly materialist/orthodox marxist perspective world proletarian revolution should have happened, but it didnt
stalin was for all efective purposes the father of the "soviet nation" (the big brother of the entire socialist camp), if you tell a nation the "hero" that built it and lead them to victory in the great patriotic war was actually a monster psychopathic giga criminal just after he died the entire thing becomes a non-starter, the nihilism that overtook the USSR decades later was inevitable after this
China is the closest the world has ever gotten to mass socialism. Wait a few more decades when the productive forces for AI have built up and BRICS succeeds. I’ll be proven right.
>>2700082Oh man, that kind of ruins my day.
I remember him posting here a few times.
>>2700576>It was retarded but as a materialist I'm not inclined to believe that an entire state or world historical movement can be destroyed or even crippled by one leader denouncing a previous one.>>2700593>if you tell a nation the "hero" that built it and lead them to victory in the great patriotic war was actually a monster psychopathic giga criminal just after he died the entire thing becomes a non-starterStalinism is a peasant-brained way of doing things. Not moralizing about it, it was the adaptation of Marxism to the social psychology of a backwards society comprised of 80% peasants or people just a generation removed from that kind of life. A lot of them were illiterate but now they were the ones who were wearing the police uniforms and working as clerks and foreman in modernizing industries. Also in a peasant village, everyone knows what everyone else is doing. Everyone is watching everyone. Also they would have Orthodox icons up on the walls in their homes (which are watching and judging you but also caring for you) and replaced those with Stalin's portrait because Stalin hears all, sees all… how the people live and work… and he rewards everyone for their hard work.
This makes Stalinism look freakish, but it makes sense given the time and place and contingent historical circumstances in which it emerged, but it's also difficult to transition from that to a modern state based on economic rationality and laws / procedures / regulation etc. without engaging in some kind of de-Stalinization.
>>2700588I retract my criticism then.
>>2700614>without engaging in some kind of de-StalinizationI really don't think it is necessary at all
agree on everything else :)
>>2700614>StalinismDo you mean the cult of personality around Stalin? Stalinism is what trots and the like call Marxism Leninism
>A lot of them were illiterate but now they were the ones who were wearing the police uniforms and working as clerks and foreman in modernizing industries.By 1939 the literacy rate had already shot up to 90%, from practically nonexistent before the revolution mind you. Also, do you think policemen and shit were literate before the Soviets or what are you trying to say?
>This makes Stalinism look freakishAs opposed to what? Tsarist autocracy? Bourgeois imperialism? And to who? The peasants and workers that put up his portraits by themselves? The liberated europeans who paraded his face around the streets after ww2? What are you talking about?
>but it's also difficult to transition from that to a modern state based on economic rationality and laws / procedures / regulation etc. without engaging in some kind of de-Stalinization.China got on just fine without de-Maoization. The cult of personality would have petered out naturally and gradually
>>2700082I still don't want to go anywhere near that nibb
I can't really forget he allowed shit like /hebe/
>>2700647>Do you mean the cult of personality around Stalin?Yes among other things. It's more of a way of doing things.
>By 1939 the literacy rate had already shot up to 90%, from practically nonexistent before the revolution mind you. Also, do you think policemen and shit were literate before the Soviets or what are you trying to say?Technical literacy shot up to 90%. But you can teach people how to follow an instruction manual so they can operate a machine or fill out a form while they still behave like peasants do when living in a village. It's difficult to run a complex modern economy or tolerate a diversity of opinions (given the constantly proliferating diversity of wants and tastes) with that kind of mindset, but it wasn't their fault because they were peasants.
>As opposed to what? Tsarist autocracy? Bourgeois imperialism? And to who?To me.
>China got on just fine without de-Maoization. The cult of personality would have petered out naturally and graduallyYeah. It is.
>>2700082A great, brave, and brilliant man RIP
>>2700641>I mean it's really that economic and social development causes it one way or the other by undermining and destroying the social base which made it possible (and perhaps necessary).yeah thats what I meant, de-stalinization is at best rushing something that needed to happen on its own in an organic manner and at worst straight up anti-communism as hoxha pointed out
if anything I think the USSR needed something like the cultural revolution but better executed and less hardcore than the chinese one
>>2700654>Yes among other things. It's more of a way of doing things.I see, so nothing concrete
>Technical literacy shot up to 90%.Well you said a lot of them were illiterates, which they weren't
>But you can teach people how to follow an instruction manual so they can operate a machine or fill out a form while they still behave like peasants do when living in a villageNo you can't, how is a guy operating a machine in a factory behaving the same as a peasant in a village? Or do you mean behave in some metaphysical psychology nonsense way? The times were rapidly changing and so were the people. Just by making them literate alone you are already literally fundamentally changing their behavior from what it was before. That's not even accounting for the changes due to collectivization and modernization
>To me.That's dumb
>Yeah. It isSo you are wrong then?
>>2700663Yeah idk… but it's also not like de-Stalinization was resisted that much from below as far as I know. People went with Stalin and then they went with it when the party decided to take his portraits down, but what the party was trying to do was create a more stable and predictable, "normal" state. The Stalin era was like an emergency state with very strong personalistic leadership.
>>2700676>No you can't, how is a guy operating a machine in a factory behaving the same as a peasant in a village?Changes in superstructure lag changes in the economic base a bit, so what you get is people carrying an old mentality into a new situation. In a peasant village, if you're stupid and let animals die or break the social and moral rules that organize that kind of society, that's a big problem. But you scale this up to an industrial economy, you get the manager of a state-owned factory being denounced and then disappeared and killed by the secret police because he made a mistake at work. There's a section of the 18th Brumaire by Karl Marx that talks about peasants as a "sack of potatoes" incapable of representing themselves and forming the social base for Bonapartism.
>The small-holding peasants form an enormous mass whose members live in similar conditions but without entering into manifold relations with each other. Their mode of production isolates them from one another instead of bringing them into mutual intercourse. The isolation is furthered by France’s poor means of communication and the poverty of the peasants. Their field of production, the small holding, permits no division of labor in its cultivation, no application of science, and therefore no multifariousness of development, no diversity of talent, no wealth of social relationships. Each individual peasant family is almost self-sufficient, directly produces most of its consumer needs, and thus acquires its means of life more through an exchange with nature than in intercourse with society. A small holding, the peasant and his family; beside it another small holding, another peasant and another family. A few score of these constitute a village, and a few score villages constitute a department. Thus the great mass of the French nation is formed by the simple addition of homologous magnitudes, much as potatoes in a sack form a sack of potatoes. Insofar as millions of families live under conditions of existence that separate their mode of life, their interests, and their culture from those of the other classes, and put them in hostile opposition to the latter, they form a class. Insofar as there is merely a local interconnection among these small-holding peasants, and the identity of their interests forms no community, no national bond, and no political organization among them, they do not constitute a class. They are therefore incapable of asserting their class interest in their own name, whether through a parliament or a convention. They cannot represent themselves, they must be represented. Their representative must at the same time appear as their master, as an authority over them, an unlimited governmental power which protects them from the other classes and sends them rain and sunshine from above. The political influence of the small-holding peasants, therefore, finds its final expression in the executive power which subordinates society to itself.
>Historical tradition gave rise to the French peasants’ belief in the miracle that a man named Napoleon would bring all glory back to them. And there turned up an individual who claims to be that man because he bears the name Napoleon, in consequence of the Code Napoleon, which decrees: “Inquiry into paternity is forbidden.” After a twenty-year vagabondage and a series of grotesque adventures the legend is consummated, and the man becomes Emperor of the French. The fixed idea of the nephew was realized because it coincided with the fixed idea of the most numerous class of the French people.https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1852/18th-brumaire/ch07.htm >>2700681>Changes in superstructure lag changes in the economic base a bitThis really shouldn't be controversial among Marxists. It's a basic principle of historical materialism that material changes precede changes in thinking, and so it follows that there would be a transitional period between adopting a new mode of living and people's mentality catching up to this. Idk if that explains Soviet politics in the 30s but the principle of consciousness lagging behind material changes is perfectly Marxist.
>>2700681>but it's also not like de-Stalinization was resisted that much from below as far as I know.even if thats the case, the entire thing was the creation of an "original sin" myth in an new soviet nation that was just being born, everything they were proud of was now stained and soiled with crime of being the product of Stalin the monster
why should had the newer generations of soviet citizens even believe in socialism if the only socialism they knew was built by someone who according to the new leaders was a monster criminal? why should they want to be associated with the word socialism at all?
>but what the party was trying to do was create a more stable and predictable, "normal" state.you mean a bourgeois state? well I guess Gorbachev completed the mission then lol
>The Stalin era was like an emergency statethats just what happens when you dont do the "peaceful coexistence" meme
>>2700654>difficult to run a complex modern economyThey did, and even in the revisionist period they were objectively better at that than any other society in the world for a while. If you actually mean modern society in the sense of society built on industrial production and not whatever garbage is attached to the term in liberal discourse.
>or tolerate a diversity of opinions (given the constantly proliferating diversity of wants and tastes)You should take off your shoes before stepping into Marxist discourse or you might bring in liberal filth like their fetish for pluralism for its own sake.
>>2700614>This makes Stalinism look freakishIt doesn't look freakish to more than 90% of people in Russia today. It's just acknowledged as a period of awesome growth and strength by everyone despite bourgeois doing everything to discredit his legacy as they do for every communist leader. It's true that peasant consciousness didn't disappear overnight but that was acknowledged by the party and it was dealt with in the end.
>>2700718>If you actually mean modern society in the sense of society built on industrial production and not whatever garbage is attached to the term in liberal discourse.I think there was an arbitrariness to Stalin's rule which was in contradiction to the requirements of the emerging industrial economy there. I don't think that works very well over the long term and the educated people in the party realized they needed to make a change. (Like it's better to build out the system so people can report when something goes wrong without having to fear for their life, so eliminating terror as a form of rule.) It's just a functional requirement of modern industrial economies to have standardized procedures and predictability and self-correction mechanisms to be sustainable for an extended period of time. Instead I'm being told instead about "original sin" and whether the Soviet nation was stained and soiled with crimes. This is a moralistic framework but that's what you get from Stalinism. You get moralization of everything.
>You should take off your shoes before stepping into Marxist discourse or you might bring in liberal filth like their fetish for pluralism for its own sake.That's not liberal filth, and not for its own sake but for due to the reality of complex systems. China for example kept Mao's portraits up but it's run in a different way than it was in the past because it has a highly complex and modern economy. It's not like everybody there is required to think the same thoughts and never disagree about anything.
>>2700718>It doesn't look freakish to more than 90% of people in Russia todaywhy dont they go back to it then?
im tired of the "russian federation" meme, its not funny anymore
>>2700614>some kind of de-StalinizationSo khruschevism was the ussr version of the cultural revolution: idiotic, idealistic attempt at changing the superstructure directly instead of just letting it catch up, cynically used for power consolidation by corrupt revisionists.
this was stalins own opinion on his cult of personality.
Being a gay nazi, you always think from a position of idealism
Also, hot take but there's nothing wrong with people celebrating their leaders
>>2700738This moron thinks stalin single handedly ruled the dntire soviet union
>>2700738>just a functional requirement of modern industrial economies to have standardized procedures and predictability and self-correction mechanisms to be sustainable for an extended period of time.What does this have to do with diversity of opinions? Most people who put a lot of value into that absolutely criticize modern China, usually just by saying "communist" but their sons and daughters here don't have that much brainwashing so they say fascist when they express the same liberal fear of society that moved past them.
>Instead I'm being told instead about "original sin"That may be too Christian, the problem is that it was a total capitulation to the United States on the propaganda front only surpassed by the actual collapse. It happened for no reason at all as China proves.
>China for example kept Mao's portraits up but it's run in a different way than it was in the past because it has a highly complex and modern economy.That was always the plan in Stalin's times too.
>>2700745>im tired of the "russian federation" meme, its not funny anymoresame bro…
Apropos
Funny how this interview is not on the trotskyist website marxists dot org
https://november8ph.ca/2023/05/interview-with-lion-feuchtwanger>>2700772Contact the MIA and ask them to add it. If there are no copyright disputes in the way, they will
>>2700775It's a pretty famous interview, so if they haven't added it yet it might be because of something like copyright
I was just being intentionally provocative
>>2700753>So khruschevism was the ussr version of the cultural revolution: idiotic, idealistic attempt at changing the superstructure directly instead of just letting it catch up, cynically used for power consolidation by corrupt revisionists.I think Stalinism created the material conditions for de-Stalinization. The country went from virtually medieval conditions to the atomic age within the span of a generation. It was in fact the rapid development of material conditions that undermined the conditions for such primitive peasant superstitions to reproduce themselves across generations.
>Also, hot take but there's nothing wrong with people celebrating their leadersI didn't say there was anything wrong with it. But you said most Russians like Stalin, that's fine but I doubt most people have a relationship with him as a quasi-religious cult figure known as the Dear Father and Teacher with portraits of him in literally every home like in the past. That is gone. Like it's more, well, he was a hard man during hard times. People will look back on him and make their own judgements based on where they're standing now.
>>2700754>This moron thinks stalin single handedly ruled the dntire soviet unionI don't think that.
>>2700756>That may be too Christian, the problem is that it was a total capitulation to the United States on the propaganda front only surpassed by the actual collapse. It happened for no reason at all as China proves.The Chinese proved that it was possible for their system to continue while also not demanding everyone agree with everything about the Maoist era or with everything Mao did.
But there's something about contemporary Stalinism that is about
worshipping Stalin in the most bizarre and caricatured way like a deity. It's singularly unique among communist leaders (other than perhaps Kim Il Sung) and I suspect that it was not possible to move past it (as historical necessity required) after he died without de-Stalinization because "God" died. The more you build something up, the more you make it unquestionably personalistic and sacralistic, the more it will fall apart after the dude's death. I know you will probably disagree with this, but I'm not saying it was "good" or "bad," more like "what goes up must come down," or the turn to the opposites. It's a social and structural inevitability. Like, just treat the dude as a human being and a (flawed) political leader in his place and time, because the more you demand unquestioned obedience the more the inevitable collapse of the personality cult (eventually).
>>2700674this is so powerful
>>2700674I need her to step on my balls
>>2700584ok retard I'll simplify things for you since you can't read.
I agreed with your point that average USSR citizens had slightly lower life expectancy compared to the west. However they still had higher life expectancy than the rest of third world including China.
Again, I agreed with your point that USSR tech was lagging behind the west. However it was still leagues above the third world, including China.
Conclusion, USSR were still in a competitive position despite their setbacks. They would have been even further along with communism if China worked with them instead of insisting on killing millions of their own people with failed economic policy that was the Great Leap Forward. Both the Great Leap Forward and the Soviet-Sino split were completely avoidable disasters that only happened because Mao was an egotistical moron. And just because Khrushchev was also a moron doesn't excuse Mao's bad decisions in response.
>>2700820You should read losurdo's book on the mythology of stalin
Essentially what china did was to retire the figure of mao without resorting to the reactionary category of betrayal, thus avoiding the mirror mistake of attributing (in this case negative) consequences of broad historical motions to a single figure
>>2700860no no no no NO GOD DAMN IT
>>2700681>Changes in superstructure lag changes in the economic base a bitThat doesn't mean that the peasant farmer and the former peasant, now a literate factory worker behave the same. They are practically not behaving the same because they are living in different conditions, doing entirely different things, living entirely different lives. It just means that some cultural forms and abstract ways of thinking are carried over and gradually transformed in the new society, as they are all throughout history all the time. It's not a bad, unexpected or even really that noteworthy of a thing.
> so what you get is people carrying an old mentality into a new situation. In a peasant village, if you're stupid and let animals die or break the social and moral rules that organize that kind of society, that's a big problemSo now we're talking about a mentality. A mentality of letting animals die and being stupid and breaking moral rules? What are you actually talking about? If anything peasants were conservative, hesitant and strict. They didn't like letting animals die or breaking social conventions
>But you scale this up to an industrial economy, you get the manager of a state-owned factory being denounced and then disappeared and killed by the secret police because he made a mistake at workThis is just such a leap man. So now the structural issues behind the reorganization of labor and industry are because people have a "peasant mentality"? Goddamn dude, it really always comes down to idealism with you doesn't it?
>There's a section of the 18th Brumaire by Karl Marx that talks about peasants as a "sack of potatoes" incapable of representing themselves and forming the social base for Bonapartism.This has little to do with the peasantry of the Russian Empire, which was organized quite differently than the french one, they were decidedly not isolated from each other and not self sufficient. So Im not really sure why you're bringing this up, unless you're trying to argue that Marx thinks here that all peasants everywhere have some kind of essential potatosack quality to them
>>2700684Nobody said it was not dude
>>2700860Getting high in his name RIP you weird bastard. Wish he could've actually revived 420chan tbh
>>2700860How did i just learn this now
>>2700711sweet, new glowmouse kino
>>2700933>you're a fed if you point out the flaws in my thinkingdelusion runs deep in you, doesn't it?
>>2700940anticommunism is fed behavior anon don't you know anything?
>point out the flawsThat's rather generous. He mostly just rambles on, changing the meaning of words "this could just as easily be called that!" and how some anarchists were falsely attributed as socialist/communists, he even compares anarchism to veganism in a positive way at the end lol. But concrete flaws that are not just anticommunist nonsense, I have yet to see from this guy
>>2700940all anticommunism glows. simple as
>>2700954I found the insulin counterargument amusing. the fact that some biohackers can "make" insulin, which often means just buying insulin and assembling injectors from parts*, ignores the reality of the immense industrial apparatus required to make pretty much anything. many anarchists seem to think it's possible to just do local small-scale manufacture for everything, which is very silly
*) yes I know it's possible to actually synthesize insulin, but you still need precursors. and you could synthesize those precursors too of course but this too becomes silly and we should just rely on large scale industry and planning
>>2700960Large scale industry is not gonna be possible at all in 30 years
>>2700960Yeah I lol'd at that too, very much a classic me and my beans type of argument.
>>2700711>>2700960Prices for insulin in the US are fucking ridiculous but plenty of people will pretend there's literally no difference between, say, a fine wine and that stuff that costs one euro per litre on the bottom shelf? Like oh, they both have the end goal of getting you drunk! Bourgeois wine merchants just make you think it's fancy and inflate the cost!
>>2700968This is such an obvious culture war plant, man.
>>2700860Isn't he most known for creating a pedophile site? Is that why you guys are sad for him?
>>2700969not sure what wine has to do with this but yes, insulin is deliberately kept expensive in the US. but as I understand it it's just specific forms of it. what you can instead do is buy raw insulin and 3D print an injector which is way cheaper
>>2700962please show us your crystal ball
>>2700962if that were true then we're simply fucked. people who say farming in traditional and "indigenous" (?) methods is what will save the planet are right but not because its heccin green but because it would kill about 80% of global population
>>2700825they were stagnating and falling behind, communism was not on the horizon. a decade later the UK would invent the internet and Japan would invent the personal laptop while enjoying its peak years of power. your whole idea breaks apart because you are still thinking ideally and not materially, how could they have even come close to reaching communism at that point, let alone global communism, when they were so internally and ideologically fragile that the USSR would break apart a decade later?
on your second part, the "millions of deaths" were calculated by pretending china suddenly had the expected death rate (then-world class healthcare) of US and Europe, then subtracting from the real death rate of Mao's China during the famine to maximize the "excess death rate", useful only for US propaganda and nothing else. Also, no one is looking at 'excess mortality' in the US and condemning them for killing millions of people. for example, US life expectancy dropped recently. if you did the same type of 'estimates' the drop in life expectancy is millions of people killed by the US economic and political system. But no one does that.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mao%27s_Great_Famine#Reception
>Ó Gráda wrote that the "10 per thousand" normal mortality rate adopted by Dikötter is "implausibly low" and used to maximise his death count. Ó Gráda posited: "The crude death rate in China in the wake of the revolution was probably about 25 per thousand. It is highly unlikely that the Communists could have reduced it within less than a decade to the implausibly low 10 per thousand adopted here (p. 331). Had they done so, they would have 'saved' over 30 million lives in the interim! One can hardly have it both ways."The same shoddy logic infects pretty much every other calculation of "victims of Chinese communism", they all rely on this type of nonsensical reasoning.
but since you are echoing US mouthpieces, if Mao is responsible for tens of millions of deaths with his policies, the same logic would have him also simultaneously responsible for hundreds of millions of lives saved which would have otherwise been cut short in regular times. India's Amartya Sen's famous quote compares China with India:
Sen estimated: "Despite the size of excess mortality in the Chinese famine, the extra mortality in India from regular deprivation in normal times vastly overshadows the former…India seems to manage to fill its cupboard with more skeletons every eight years than China put there in its years of shame."
we don't compare China with Korea and Japan because it would be like comparing a fish tank with an ocean, by absolute numbers China under Mao saved hundreds of Koreas and dozens of Japans worth of human lifespans. We compare China with post-colonial India because they both were abundant in people and land, and both started utterly destitute at a similar time. Funnily enough, USSR gave massive amount of aid and material support to India after 1960.
yet China sped past India in all qualities of life indicators long before Deng, but we don't blame Nehru and other Indian leaders of his time for being "worse than Mao" for not adopting the same socialist policies China did.
Notably in 1981, the World Bank contrasted China’s life expectancy of 64 years to India’s 51 years. chinese citizens, the report stated, were better fed than their Indian counterparts. moreover, China provided nearly universal health care and its citizens, including women, enjoyed higher rates of primary education.
https://documents1.worldbank.org/curated/en/892681468215689422/pdf/multi0page.pdfyDuring his leadership, China experienced “the most rapid sustained increase in life expectancy of any population in documented global history,” according to a Stanford study.
by the 1970s, China under Mao produced 3x more steel than India, 2x more coal production, 2.5x the cement production, had way more women in the workforce, had higher literacy rates (70% vs 35%), lower infant mortality rate (40 per 100 vs 120 per 1000 for India). By the late 1970s, China had annual electricity generation of 450 Twh compared to 85 Twh for India. mao was also one that swept away old superstitions and banned footbinding. He banned arranged marriages, child bethrohal and concubage, and highly encouraged women to particpate in the economy.
one more thing, famines were recurrent all across the unindustrialize world for millennia. Post-xinhai revolution China had been having famines every few years. The 1927 famine killed as many as 6 million. There were significant famines in 1929, 1939, and 1942. mao found himself in the aftermath of a deadly civil war, the large-scale massacres by the Japanese army, the warlord melee that took place in China from 1911 to 1949, and a U.S. embargo that started in 1948. after another famine, the historically cyclical famines finally ended in the early 1960s. despite some of his errors, he still established China's sovereignty, turned China into a nuclear power, and laid the industrial and social foundations for Deng.
Deng basically sums it up well, Mao did "70 per cent right and 30 per cent wrong." What Khrushchev was rejected Stalin and Mao, an absolutely catastrophic idealist bitch made move that would seal the USSR's fate.
>>2700969having refined taste in wine is bourgeois decadency anon Im so so sorry
>>2701026If you weren't illiterate you'd know that was clearly just an example. I could've used artisanal clothes or whatever the fuck as another example too.
>bourgeois decadencyYou can just say you don't like something without resorting to pseud buzzwords, by the way.
>>2701026What about me who has a refined taste in cheap beer and bottom shelf liquor?
>>2701036No need to get all pedantic and autistic anon, same thing applies for artisanal clothes
>You can just say you don't like something without resorting to pseud buzzwords, by the wayLighten up friendo, buzzword is a buzzword itself
>>2701040A healthy proletarian consumer, with excellent knowledge and skill befitting his class
>>2700968aaaaaaughhh Chinese-American agreeing with an allegory as to why its ok to commit genocide against enemy nations (thus why Japan needs to remilitarize against China) auuuughhhh
>>2700884>It just means that some cultural forms and abstract ways of thinking are carried over and gradually transformed in the new society, as they are all throughout history all the time. It's not a bad, unexpected or even really that noteworthy of a thing.I don't think we disagree really, but I think it takes some time for people to change when introduced to new conditions, and I'm not sure it happens really within a single generation with a lot of people but takes several.
>A mentality of letting animals die and being stupid and breaking moral rules? What are you actually talking about?Imagine you're a peasant and a cow dies suddenly. That's a danger to the peasants because they need the cow's milk to survive. What happens is that superstitious peasants blame the village widow because they think she's practicing witchcraft and they throw her in the river and force her to confess even if she didn't do anything. Now scale that mentality up to an industrial economy and you get wreckers and saboteurs. That's what I'm talking about.
>If anything peasants were conservative, hesitant and strict. They didn't like letting animals die or breaking social conventionsExactly.
>>2700997>they were stagnating and falling behindThey were still growing and above everyone else in the third world. You keep avoiding that point. Instead you pretend being behind means it's impossible to move forward. China's itself proves this is wrong.
> let alone global communismNo one has said USSR by itself could achieve global communism. This is something you are making up in your own head. I said they needed to work with China. You seem to be stuck thinking it's China vs USSR instead of the failure for them to work together towards communism.
>when they were so internally and ideologically fragile that the USSR would break apart a decade later?Again, CPC kept political control while CPSU did not. Glasnost in the USSR gave capitalists the ability to maneuver against the socialist state while CPC on the other hand kept political control. CPSU backed off when Berlin Wall fell while CPC crushed the liberals in Tiananmen Square with tanks. Not sure why you are having difficulty understanding this difference in action.
Also even Deng acknowledges the failures of Great Leap Forward. Deng's government were the ones who put the death toll at 15 million. If you disagree take it up with Deng not me.
>>2701058I think you underestimate people and their ability to adapt to their changing environment. The problems the soviet union faced in terms of managing the economy were hardly the result of workers being too peasant brained or whatever, thus becoming wreckers and saboteurs, but much more about how these people were organized, what the next incentives for labor were going to be, how production would be scaled up in managed ways, etc. If anything, this is more something that applies to China in things like the great leap forward, but even there it's not really the result of people's inward disposition, but rather the practical manner by which their work was relegated throughout society.
>>2701044>No need to get all pedantic and autistic its his schtick
>>2700968it's embarrassing enough for an olympian to opine about fucking animu but for fuck's sake this is like saying the empire in star wars is the good guys
>>2700974I liekd /deadkids/ as much as the next guy but no I don't think thats why
>>2701068you originally pointed out global communism getting "delayed" when it wasn't even on the table, the same table the ussr shattered with its own weight of contradictions. life expectancy was declining in the 1970s. That's decline. they faced chronic shortages of goods, the reversal of what marx envisioned for a postscarcity society. Trying to compare them to third world countries is irrelevant to the discussion when they collapsed 10 years later and became thirdie themselves. meanwhile western capitalist system was accelerating technologically and life expectancy continually went up as well. That's the barometer as they had the historical momentum with no sign of proletariat revolution. USSR doing better than Ghana doesn't change that. but Khrushchev did change history for the worse by denouncing stalin and withdrawing all support and cooperation with china, a backwards country post ww2 that was very, very vulnerable to famines. despite it, in a couple of decades, it came out way ahead of india, a country the USSR supported for multiple decades despite having overall much worse mortality rates…
situationalism, moaism, anarchism, and other neo-marxist deviations from tradition are stupid. Any form of marxism that things conflict grows recruitment instead of isolating the masses is idiotic. they just have low autism score monkey temperaments so want to fight their class enemies now but real revolutionarys know you must convince people with theories and education for decades before doing anything. sit tight, go to work, fuck rioting, saboteur and antifa BS, just educate yourself on theory and build for a party. sorry until then, no conflictual type action ultra kiddies.
>>2701165Maoism doesn't contradict Marxism and Anarchism isn't neo-Marxism, it's a totally different form of communism.
>>2701168i dont give a gosh darn hoot what any of them believe because where i lived abroad for years all the anarchists, maoists and neo marxists all dress in hoods and ruin practically good organized protests by turning it into running battles with other members of the working class in the police force, people literally just trying to earn bread being pelted with rocks and explsive devices that American police would rightfully open fire at a crowd for using on them. shame to see this bs being the norm. Honest to god any idea that contributes to it needs to be pushed out of the left wing movement like a nazi would get pushed out. the only people that know how to behave and enforce this is the communist party.
>>2701155>global communism getting "delayed" when it wasn't even on the tableWrong. But explain why do you think China magically now has communism on the table but it wasn't on the table just few decades ago? What is supposed to be the difference in your mind?
>life expectancy was declining in the 1970s. That's decline. 68.4 years in 1970 to 67.4 years in 1985. I guess to you that means everyone is dying on the streets and the trend was irreversible. Seriously how can you come up with dozens of excuse for why death caused by the Great Leap Forward doesn't count but then cry about one year drop in life expectancy spread out over a decade?
>the reversal of what marx envisioned for a postscarcity society. A socialist state fighting capitalist isn't communism. You are making a leftcom and anarchist talking point right here. Are you really a Maoist?
>Trying to compare them to third world countries is irrelevant to the discussionWong. It shows the superiority of their system compared to the rest of the Third World. It wasn't perfect and need adjustments but it was better than just becoming America's bitch.
>withdrawing all support and cooperation with chinaKhrushchev worked with them until the 60s. It wasn't a one sided pullout by the USSR, Mao actively drove them away by insisting on starving 15 million people to death. Those are Deng's numbers btw
>>2701172True, so called maoism is just redwashed anarchism
>>2701180neo-marxism aint any better so all them 3 jump to the same spaces of tactics and immediate goals. They have more disdain for the police than they do the actual elite. their texts all read like gas lighting ways of justifying hatred for cops. it's just stupid its not leftism its all just hatred and chaos. it all boils down to the fact that they dont have jobs or production skills so how else do you resist besides throw tamptrums?? you cant strike or organize workers when youre a fucking bum. all of these idealists are the type of mfrs to recruit gang members, rob some small business jewelry store and call it "expropriate" in some long winded bullshit text trying to lionize petty crime. the criminal class and crime have fuck all to do with communism, and communism is not anti police.
>>2701180"The Maoists appear obsessed with guerrilla warfare. the Maoists talk only of guerrilla warfare, liberated
zones, headquarters, capturing cities and identify these tasks as the only
worthwhile revolutionary tasks. The Maoists are a part of the social unrest network generated by contemporary
capitalism. The unrest is ideologically in favour of the status quo although in
its outer exposition, it spreads anti-status quo thoughts and concepts. In
these times, adventurism, extreme right reaction based on nationality and
religion groups, terrorist activities, and anarchism can appear in various
forms. Dialectically, and ideologically, all this emanates from contemporary
capitalism. Each of these phenomena shares the same class basis. Rather
than from the class-conscious struggles of working class, they emerge out of
the petty bourgeois class compulsions. There is no mistake in identifying the Maoist as an anarchist force"
https://www.marxists.org/subject/india/cpi(m)/cpm-maoism.pdfimportant to share this because im sick of seeing the maoist juche posters bullshit. My brothers and sisters from CP are working on debunking their neo marxist hogwash.
>>2701205The CPI (M) are a fucking joke and bootlickers of hindutvas. Kys.
>>2701208And CPI (Maoist) are losing the war
>>2701208I bet if you were in the french city i was in you'd be sitting right there with the anarchists, maoists, and neo marxist neanderthals who think one cannon of tear gas being sent your way means you have the right to try to lead a crowd in an all out assault against police… working class members of society. Throwing tear gas back is one thing man, but when I was over there they were throwing literal improvised naplam at cops, stones that could kill… like the fuck? those cops need to be convinced of the socialist truth and join the communist party, not be attacked. you sound just like the type to engage in adventurism because listening to a dispersal order in your head weakens the revolution lmao get real man please join CPUSA and get educated.
>>2701213Yes, capitalists are winning the war everywhere in the word. Tell me something I don't know
>>2701212Why do MLoids love the police so much?
>>2701179USSR collapsed. History has the final say. you're reversing the most important dialectic again and again which is why i find your green text spam replies so boring, so utterly devoid of value. How can you not understand that comparing mao's start with extremely backward material conditions and, within twenty years, transforming them, is fundementally different than the USSR in the 1970s being on the precipice of collapse 10 years later? they are completely different stages. If china today was decling in life expectancy and not at the forefront in "new quality productive forces" then i would be just as pessimistic about china
>China magically now has communism on the table but it wasn't on the table just few decades ago? Here's the trvthvke you're not ready to hear because you're an idealist. taiwan is doing more to bring on the historical preconditions and material basis for socialism than cuba who is frozen in relations of production and not pushing the frontiers of the forces of production. Meanwhile, china has the synthesis of cuba's ML one party superstructure with Taiwan's FoP engine. Now add in history's most dense industrial base and supply chain for scale and charts going parabolic in energy, robots, and the like. It's time to engage with historical materialism.
>>2701187>>2701205https://www.marxists.org/archive/plekhanov/1895/anarch/ch08.htmexcerpt from
G.V. Plekhanov
Anarchism and Socialism
CHAPTER VII
The So-called Anarchist Tactics
Their Morality.
An Anarchist is a man who – when he is not a police agent – is fated always and everywhere to attain the opposite of that which he attempts to achieve.
“To send working men to a Parliament,” said Bordat, before the Lyons tribunal in 1893, “is to act like a mother who would take her daughter to a brothel.” Thus it is also in the name of morality that the Anarchists repudiate political action. But what is the outcome of their fear of parliamentary corruption? The glorification of theft (“Put money in thy purse,” wrote Most in his Freiheit, already in 1880), the exploits of the Duvals and Ravachols, who in the name of the “cause” commit the most vulgar and disgusting crimes. The Russian writer, Herzen, relates somewhere how on arriving at some small Italian town, he met only priests and bandits, and was greatly perplexed, being unable to decide which were the priests and which the bandits. And this is the position of every impartial person today; for how are you going to divine where the “companion” ends and the bandit begins? The Anarchists themselves are not always sure, as was proved by the controversy caused in their ranks by the Ravachol affair. Thus the better among them, those whose honesty is absolutely unquestionable, constantly fluctuate in their views of the “propaganda of deed.”
“Condemn the propaganda of deed?” says Elysee Reclus. “But what is this propaganda except the preaching of well-doing and love of humanity by example? Those who call the “propaganda of deed” acts of violence prove that they have not understood the meaning of this expression. The Anarchist who understands his part, instead of massacring somebody or other, will exclusively strive to bring this person round to his opinions, and to make of him an adept who, in his turn, will make “propaganda of deed” by showing himself good and just to all those whom he may meet.”
We will not ask what is left of the Anarchist who has divorced himself from the tactics of “deeds”.
We only ask the reader to consider the following lines: “The editor of the Sempre Avanti wrote to Elysée Reclus asking him for his true opinion of Ravachol. ’I admire his courage, his goodness of heart, his greatness of soul, the generosity with which he pardons his enemies, or rather his betrayers. I hardly know of any men who have surpassed him in nobleness of conduct. I reserve the question as to how far it is always desirable to push to extremities one’s own right, and whether other considerations moved by a spirit of human solidarity ought not to prevail. Still I am none the less one of those who recognize in Ravachol a hero of a magnanimity but little common.’”
This does not at all fit in with the declaration quoted above, and it proves irrefutably that citizen Reclus fluctuates, that he does not know exactly where his “companion” ends and the bandit begins. The problem is the more difficult to solve that there are a good many individuals who are at the same time “bandits” and Anarchists. Ravochol was no exception. At the house of the Anarchists, Ortiz and Chiericotti, recently arrested at Paris, an enormous mass of stolen goods were found. Nor is it only in France that you have the combination of these two apparently different trades. It will suffice to remind the reader of the Austrians Kammerer and Stellmacher.
Kropotkine would have us believe that Anarchist morality, a morality free from all obligations or sanction, opposed to all utilitarian calculations, is the same as the natural morality of the people, “the morality from the habit of well doing.” The morality of the Anarchists is that of persons who look upon all human action from the abstract point of view of the unlimited rights of the individual, and who, in the name of these rights, pass a verdict of “Not guilty” on the most atrocious deeds, the most revoltingly arbitrary acts. “What matter the victims,” exclaimed the Anarchist poet Laurent Tailhade, on the very evening of Vaillant’s outrage, at the banquet of the “Plume” Society, “provided the gesture is beautiful?”
>>2701260Like I said, I’ve seen statements like this in real life so I’ve got doubts, is there any evidence like them not posting anything but this?
>>2701225> you're reversing the most important dialectic againBy understanding why USSR dissolved and what mistakes previous communist leaders made we can avoid future mistakes. This isn't about reversing history or whatever.
>your green text spam replies so boring, so utterly devoid of value. I'm simply addressing what you say on a point by point basis. But you seem to be having trouble dealing the format…
>precipice of collapse 10 years later? There was no collapse. The CPSU lost it's grip on power. CPC did not give up it's power so they are still around. Even the DPRK is still around because they didn't let liberals take over. The existence of socialist states has nothing to do with how strong the economy is.
>taiwan is doing more to bring on the historical preconditions and material basis for socialism than cuba who is frozen in relations of productionTaiwan has outside investment by western capitalists. China isn't putting anything near that investment into Cuba. You seem to ignore this simple materialist argument for their different outcomes.
>>2701227Yupp and the tactics of the maoists, anarchists and their lackeys has brought us to a point where now the right is going to destroy communists with brute force and changing of laws. they directly fucked us all with their adventurism over the last 20 years.
>>2701223Im friends and family with people in the dang field why would I support people who would kill them if they could get away with it?
>>2701265It's not that the ideology doesn't exist irl but it's easy for a bot to take divisive opinions and blanket repost them. AI can increase this by changing up the specific words to express the same points.
>>2701266bro is still spamming moralist idealist dialectics. it's. just. boring.
>>2701287nothing I said referred to morals. kys leftcom retard
>>2701297you did worse and projected morals on to me. that's what i call dialectically cooked. you're just shadow boxing with yourself now.
>>2701312>projected morals on to me.No idea what you are talking about. What morals did I project?
>>2701260But if you are too aggressive against this person your cp will expel you :^)
>>2701161its anarchist violence for the sake of tourists - protecting the fool who gets scammed. Only happens because the state is too weak/perverse to do anything about this. Locals know the deal and they don't care that tourists get scammed.
>>2701336well for instance, the way you responded to my statement about taiwan, you're not add anything new or deeper as it wasn't a moral judgement. obviously, they do not have the same investment from china. That is not the point. but if you want to pick at that thread, yes, cuba who is largely isolated from the U.S. embargo, was never a frontier economy for the forces of production, even with USSR support. This means the material basis for socialism is limited, so the relations of production are not being challenged or updated by evolving forces. on the other hand, Taiwan is a leader in cutting edge semiconductors. Its productive forces, being embedded in the global production network, is precisely the point. innovations in one node still ripple through the network, altering the historical material conditions for others. i do not care that it gets major investment from the capitalist west. it is still shaping the material landscape of the world, and the material preconditions for systemic transformation worldwide by advancing core productive forces for 4th industrial revolution advancement with its semiconductors. Revolutionary potential is not solely about ideology or local state control. states like the USSR and Cuba, by not being within the global process shaped by capitalist development, the long arc of historical materialism, ended up dialectically dissolved or stagnant. cuba has been in survival mode and that is a strategy itself, to wait for the 4th industrial revolution tech from a country like China, who can scale, mass produce it and export it to other countries and rupture the relations of production. if it sticks around, cuba won't have to undergo another violent revolution the way many other countries will have to, as it preserved its ML superstructure locally.
>>2698769>13/50 posting but make it wokeWoke was always a tool of the liberal establishment, and now that the cold war demands it… Woke will (again) become a tool for fascists to do PR.
Remember, nobody believes in anything, not really. The only thing that shuffles their neurons is the culture war psyops. For which they will claim white is black today, the reverse tomorrow and shades of gray when convenient. Truthiness is obsolete, idealism won.
>>2701416also we keep derailing this thread from its intended purpose so i'm going to stop replying
>>2701416Nothing I said about Cuba was moralist just a straight forward comparison between investments into otherwise random island countries.
Fundamentally the problem is you fetishize market organization. The way you describe it sounds like Nick Land or Austrian School idealism. Socialism can organize labor directly without the mediation of markets. Workers trained as computer scientist would form organizations to direct their labor towards building more advanced computer chips, take material resources from other sectors and use them to build advanced machinery to produce those chips. You don't need capitalism to do that. In fact the main developments for computers, internet and smart phones came from US military research scientists proving market are not necessary for tech development.
The main problem with the USSR was it let markets dictate it's economy and thus slowed it's technological progress. The problem was lack of correct political organization.
>>2701469I think he's in the wrong more than she is because his fragile ego led to a bunch of dumb shit happening when they both could've left the past in the past if he didn't overreact. That being said Steven is a piece of shit and deserves to be arrested on revenge porn charges.
How is this politics related?
>>2701466Pretty funny story anon. Everyone involved seems retarded. That Steven guy is a real piece of shite. What is it with recording yourself having sex? If I was a woman I would never ever do that, especially having that shit in possession of a man. As a man I don't see why you would bother making your own sex tape, seems inconvenient and pointless
But the real question is why did you post this?
>>2701466Idk, what reaction do you want me to have, sucks for OP but also sucks for Dan to be stuck with a girl that is vanilla.
>>2701470See this is why I can't fully buy into like the social side of leftin liberal and how it is presented today because you read this entire story and you managed to say that the guy in the relationship is who is at fault. You managed to insult him. You say that his fragile ego is the problem and you hyper focused on him
Despite it being evident to anybody who reads this entire story and absorbs it that she lied multiple times. She misrepresented things from him and she withheld information when he asked about it. Which blew up in her face later because the truth came to come
So I assume even it could have been for you that when you read this initially you had that internal feeling that what she did was like wrong. But you have this perception of the world that you have to compensate for this and find a way to still blame the guy. So you had to like hold back from blaming her and still put everything on upon him
So this whole thing where it has to have this anti-man adjacent view and pro woman to that extent I just cannot align with that. Economically I am fully on the left side. I am socialist and completely anti-capitalist but this is just so anti-reality to me to view things in this way.
I appreciate you writing t though because I wanted to see what some here would say about it. I am impressed that you even read it because I expected at least one of you. Once you just skim the title you would like call me an insult or something for even presenting what they did. But regardless it was nice to like. Read your interpretation and see your thought process so thanks
>>2701466Jealousy is normal, they should break up, Steven is a piece of shit. Why do you post this every year
>>2701474I assume you skipped a lot through the story and didn't actually read it because she makes it very evident that she did every type of sexual act there is with the previous guy to the point that he even had recordings of it all to present it
So this idea that you're saying that she's a vanilla person that he's stuck with. That is not a reality. She lied to him about what she had done previously and she lied to him about what she even wanted to do. A vanilla person would be somebody who did not enjoy these acts and has not done them at all. So I suggest you like read it again. It may just be like you like skin through it. So you skid through parts and didn't read it
>>2701481I have never posted anything related to this here at all
>>2701484Oh ok maybe this screenshot just gets reposted often
>>2701478>Despite it being evident to anybody who reads this entire story and absorbs it that she lied multiple times. She misrepresented things from him and she withheld information when he asked about it. Which blew up in her face later because the truth came to come The thing is that she didn't have any ill intent behind it and at worst expected him to react exactly the way he did. She knew he had very little experience and lied to protect him from his own feelings. She didn't lie about having multiple partners in her life and that alone made him feel lesser, how do you think he reacts if she tells him all of the stuff she did sexually?
Sure, she could've been more honest, but did she want to risk a relationship they were both happy in just to dip up her own sexual history? If I were in her shoes I would've done the same because it seems like the most logical option and he obviously couldn't handle the fact that she has experience and has a kinky side to her.
The part that fucked me up is him asking for an open relationship as his answer to those feelings. If I were her I would've told him to fuck off, but she didn't do that.
>>2701478Why are you letting your political positions be influenced by dumb genderpolitics relationship drama you found on reddit?
>>2701487>a relationship they were both happy inExcept he wasn't. He wanted to explore and she said no. That make the relationship sexually one sided. Her lying, his inexperience and the revenge porn is all besides the point.
>>2701512He wanted to explore because he was jealous that she had experience and she didn't. He only thought about that after seeing a video of his financee fucking someone in a totally different relationship. To me that's him projecting his insecurity onto her and using it as an excuse to "explore" when in reality deep down he wants to get back at her for being more experienced than him.
>>2701516He wanted to explore before seeing the video. The video just forced the issue of why she lied and was kinky with her ex but not him. And even if the video did come first, why he is unsatisfied with the relationship shouldn't matter just the fact he is unsatisfied.
Also Uneven relationships are inherently unstable and partners need to be on the same page. Opening the relationship or just breaking up is the correct course if it can't be fixed. However, it seems you want the more desperate partner to simply change their minds about the situation and pretend to be happy instead.
>>2701539>Opening the relationship or just breaking up is the correct course if it can't be fixed. However, it seems you want the more desperate partner to simply change their minds about the situation and pretend to be happy instead.Actually I think they should break up because it seems like they want entirely different things if he wants to open the relationship.
>>2701548Lets be real the fact she was not interested in exploring their sex life is a red flag in itself. It speaks to her lack of real attraction to him. And he only bought her lies because he's inexperienced. Being dragged through court and therapy for such a dud relationship is the cherry on top. Felt sorry for the guy.
>>2701161it's good, I don't feel bad for scammers getting their ass handed to them
>>2701161>>2701374>petit-bourgeois on lumpen violenceI Don't Care
>>2699533>fascism litejust say you gargle american piss bro
>>2701466Bro is probably going to have trouble finding a new girlfriend so his best bet is staying if he even wants a whiff of sex. She's a woman who's had her fun and now wants to settle. Steve sounds cool but is an asshole.
>>2701466¡AYYY CARUMBA!
TEXTO
MAXISIMOOOOOOOOO >>2701454all cosplay of white bitches doing anime breaks my immersion
look at her face, she's got the face of mennonine cow milker in the rural south she has the same wholesome peasant phenotypeas my dar old auntie who ain't never had internet til 2014, she looks vaguely british
>>2701682you ever think about how oppressed and marginalized americans are still americans, at the end of the day?
>>2701686What are they doing with the greens
>>2701690it's their food. peas or something i guess
>>2701690farmers give a small portion of their crop to these quants who judge the quality and do financial shit on the computer to buy or sell stocks of it
>>2701676But you see, he acknowledged that Obama's policy wasn't as harsh which to some people makes him a full throated supporter of US imperialism.
>>2701833God the horror, when will the slander end???
>>2701682Did this man said shit like "fuck the queen" when he met the queen or the royals?
>>2701880he told the security guards at buckingham palace he had a bomb
>>2701887Okay then it is fair play for his tourettes i suppose. Still a peak bruh moment tbh fam.
>>2701682<Hmmmm, lets get on our guy who has tourettes and screams racial slurs at people as part of his ticks! I foresee nothing which could go wrong here!They have a point, tbh.
Sounds like maybe even this moment was manufactured.
Why do online rightoids love Alysa Liu? She's got dyed hair and an unusual piercing, I thought they hated women like that
>>2701990Does she desire to be beaten by white men?
>>2702005How is this goonbait? Shes just looking at her medal.
>>2702044Oh wow my rich nepo baby who was born from literal womb slavery (not legal in China, love Amerikkka) won a gold medal at an event that's literally only accessible to rich, nepo babies.
Working class people don't compete in the Olympics.
>>2702208imagine still doing "X is the new punk rock" thing in fucking 2026 lol who gives a flying fuck about punk anymore
>>2702185don't most olympians have regular jobs in their daily life?
>>2702213Maybe she does onlyfans?
>>2702216Catholics been really working on their PR. Catholics are literally Epstein 1.0
>>2702223All those meaningless phrases. I mean, it is still way better than sharting yourself and screeching "uyghur".
>>2702247>>2701161*lumpen on lumpen violence
>>2702223you get that tweet's a joke, right?
>>2702223Lateral ableism — “I’m the GOOD TYPE of disabled person!!!”
>>2702208That punk was Brian Baker from Minor Threat (and Bad Religion). He should sue her for this.
>>2702252It's not a joke at all.
>>2701990they hate it because it represent free agency and a history for women, theyre entitled to a blank slate
>>2702216well? explain yourselves Marxist
>>2702284>It's not a joke at all.Are u sure?
>>2701990When will you people learn that WN rightoid ideals are paper-thin.
This is not strange. This is not exceptional. Neo-Nazi orgs are consistently filled with drug abusers, homosexuality, 'miscegenation' and clearly non-White members.
https://nukechan.net/social/thread/611.html >>2702189New Zealand is a country that forgets its history every generation. This is partially because, out of colonial guilt it is unable to teach itself the history of the land wars. Additionally, because it is a small and largely irrelevant country in an alliance with bigger more storied states, NZ experiences a cultural cringe over images of its own nationalism. As if.NZ nationalism is like getting fucking hyped for the local body elections of the world.
Because of this, we forget that new zealands development was entirely driven by the state. We were too small to have domestic capitalists build any major infrastructure in the country so the state built everything. We pioneered most of the social democracy that would become the norm in the rest of the world.
but because kiwis do not tale their culture or history seriously they forget what we did, what we built and who did it then we get people earnestly speaking like yankee pricks as in your picture
because they earnestly see themselves as westerners first and kiwis second
>>2699533>hasan been moving really weirdHasan is a sheepdog for the DNC. He will never ever do anything other than farm radical clout and then direct his parcel of politics to vote democrats.
It's what he has always done, and what he will always do.
>>2702325dont forget schizophrenics
>>2702159No. The bourgeoisie enacted idiocracy upon themselves before we reached that level of automation. They’re just junking up everything now.
>>2701967>>2701682Mossad?
>>2702373Celebrities of all sorts are parasites preying upon atomized communities, nothing more.
>>2702361Damn. What's the solution?
reccomend me something to watch, movies, series, youtubeslop, whatever, im bored as fuck and i cant do shit because i hurt my hands
>>2702413Bad Empanada out here looking for new Ops, lmao.
>>2702300I personally don't care about that site's content, 'ick' is my own personal opinion, but jfc that dogwhistle thread is on /v/.
I assumed it would at least be on /trash/ or /co/In hindsight I shouldn't be surprised, but I was, and holy shit 4chan has gotten so much more stupid in the ten years after I left.
>let a hundred flowers blossomuhhh baby boiler bros…..
Honestly, admin in that announcement seems level-headed and their struggle is relatable coming from political communities who face a similar style of drama. So I don't have strong thoughts on the atf happening itself, but the white children enthusiasts on /v/ are fukkin hilarious and pathetic. What a shithole.
>>2702448Accidental Death of an Anarchist - vidrel
>Accidental Death of an Anarchist is an Italian play set during the Years of Lead. This performance is by an English socialist theatre group Belt and Braces. It's a great comedy and very bluntly political too, which is an excellent combination to see.The Menu,
Triangle of Sadness,
Can Dialectics Break Bricks? (wasn't for me)
Sorry to Bother You,
(suggestions above are from
https://nukechan.net/social/thread/6.html )
See also:
https://nukechan.net/social/thread/163.html >>2702471damn has she gone full onision yet ?
Hasan said Alysa Liu still hasn't responded to his Instagram DM to come on his stream. 😢
Should have toned down the China glazing a bit right before the Olympics.
>>2702223wokies are anti-aspie so this isn't so surprising
>>2702044>>2702005>>2701990Post the clip of Norman Finkelstein where he says gooners become fascists
>>2701990because ice skating is pedo coded and all rightoids are pedophiles
what's the deal with alysa liu? she's a racist?
>>2702538She's an anime loving e-girl who won the gold for the US in the winter olympics. Thats it.
Destiny status? Is he in jail yet?
>>2702541I don't get what's your position. I guess since I'm here I'm forced to give a take on this subject I care not about, but tourettes isn't just randomly saying swear words, it's also disinhibition to expressing their actual inner emotions and thoughts.
My take is the whole affair is so fucking silly. Why do we need to turn some random event into a "tourette's awareness" event. Why don't we announce some random event is a "baby and motherhood awareness" event and therefore we have to put up with a baby crying loudly through the whole event. Like what the fuck. Why set yourself up for failure like this?
https://tourette.org/resources/overview/tools-for-educators/classroom-strategies-techniques/disinhibition/https://www.tictocktherapy.co.uk/post/tourette-s-disinhibition >>2702561im genuinely offended you think im part of the spastics who dont even know what tourettes is but still have very very strong opinions about how morally evil anyone who suffers from it is lol
my favorite part of the whole ordeal is that the brits cut up a speech about palestine but decided to leave the n-bomb intact
>>2702471This is low key just incel posting tbh
>>2701693Exactly. It's the same reason I have used cigarettes all over the place, to help with my tobacco derivatives trading empire.
>>2702564>eave the n-bomb intacttbf the no-no word is essentially American as Britan didn't import millions of blacks to the mainland. Britain censors Pakistan/Indian slurs instead.
>>2702576sorry shoe but your makeup is thick and your filters sus frfr
>>2702571wokeness is finally back
>>2702471Shoe has never not cried about the left. She is a professional crybaby.
>>2702561it wasn't a random event, it was the BAFTA that the tourettes guy attended coz his film was nominated. It is a pretty big deal for him.
Has he did a public interview about it yet?
>>2702538Rightoids are trying to do a "the left hates alysa liu!!" thing based on nothing. It's all nonsense. I hope for her sake she's unaware of it.
>>2702809Don't know how it started, but I've seen them making up a bunch of fake quotes, see
>>2702044 >>2702496Incest or racism fetish.
Which way, white goon?
>>2702615The ones that cries about are liberals, Denims and that other chick I don't remember in the thumbnail, she's terminally American so that's "the left" for her.
>>2702899disabled people are above all criticism and responsibility. the right to hurl racial slurs in social situations shall not be infringed.
>>2702899all of those people are richer than me so I don't give a fuck really
>>2702899I don't care about black people and I don't care about mentally ill disabled freaks, tell me what is going on in IRAN
>>2702899I don't know enough about how tourettes works but if it's true that it can make the person unintentionally say slurs, then it's dumb to get mad at him obviously. You wouldn't get mad at someone with epilepsy for having a seizure even if it was at an inappropriate moment.
>>2702899should have shouted "Jewish nigger"
does anyone have the "judeo-bolshevik vs judeo-christianity" meme? cant find it on the booru
>>2702899they knew he would shout some fucked up shit involuntary, put him there anyway to generate controversy to promote their event with the plausible deniability that they were doing disability activism and awareness. Cheeky bourgeois Brits chortling to themselves the spastic said the no-no word and they get to play moral superiority about it. Apparently they guy himself was upset with himself and left early. All these "revolutionaries" caring about the actors' trade show, made the Frankfurt School was right hahaha.
>>2702954>Asking ChatGPT for an evaluation on how much Eye Cue you need to understand something Peak chud pseudo-science.
>>2702968He was there because he was receiving an award for a film he worked on. Seems kinda fucked up to exclude somebody from their own award ceremony because their disability could make somebody uncomfortable. If his condition is such that he genuinely blurts out these things involuntarily, then it's pretty ridiculous to get angry at him for this.
>>2702968He didn't stumble into the event, his film was nominated. They should have muted his shouts tbh.
>>2702853Rightoids cry about the left all the time, wrt the Charlie Krik shooting.
>>2702899I support hurling slurs at celebrities, but do tourettes people ever say anything else socially unpopular? Like "I love telemarketers!"
>>2702899Beautiful. I enjoy it.
Two of the amerikkkanised anti-communist wokie faggot's totems - da uyghur and da retard - fighting.
Retard-Uyghur Jihad NOW.
>>2703176there is no american culture
>>2703184What you mean eating fast food that gives you testicle cancer, watching anime and capeshit is not culture ?
>>2703184There was burger culture it was killed by the 1980s.
>>2703176The eternal KKK-On fan at it again…
>>2703248Everything you said is wrong. You uphold settler and defy right of self determination of oppressed peoples. Leftism determines that afrikans and all oppressed peoples be able to put settlers back in sea.
>>2703286pickme = woman who doesn't agree with the radlib circleschlick
>>2702899>/leftypol/'s opinion on the Tourette/uygha discourse?Absolutely hilarious in a schadenfreude way. It's like a nightmare scenario come to life for all three of the guys involved.
Whether you're British or American, getting caught up in this particular thing just distracts from the fact of neither Progressive Liberals nor Leftists having any actionable demands or goals to disempower our respective police states, the most tangible expression of white supremacy. To the US' credit, our libs and lefties are resisting, but resisting and disempowering are separate, but both important, things needed to defeat that.
will the subhumans at google ever roll back the retarded automatic dubbing they added to youtube? its so fucking annoying its unreal
>>2703349I can't help but laugh.
>>2702899absolute nothing burger being used to distract people from all the consequential shit happening rn
>>2703355>all the consequential shit happening rnsuch as?
>>2703358you right, there is nothing going on
>>2703358oh uh wow you got me there
absolutely nothing is happening
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