>>2816331>What does a 30 year old man have in common with a 19 year old girl?what if they just have the hots for each other, can't a gal fuck an older guy
>>2816452I think these arguments are weird because it leaves the door wide open for just having one night stands, like the only problematic thing for the 19 year old is being in a miserable relationship, well then, what if it's just a one night stand, do 19 year olds get to have enough agency to decide who to fuck or nah?
>>2816457no no no you don't get it, young adults should just be detained in monasteries until their brains are sclerosed, only then they'll have the proper tools to experience life with an independent judgment.
>>2816397>the brain is developing until 25And yet we allow 18-25 year olds to vote, join the military, gamble, and hold them accountable for committing crimes. Either we should raise the ages for all those things to 25 or just accept that people in that age group are adults who can make their own decisions.
>>2816473we could hold adults to a standard that prevents them from taking advantage of people in this age group
>they're allowed to gamble so I should be able to sleep with them!!come on
>>2816500we can assume that as communists we don't want anyone making a career out of drone striking people correct? we hold ourselves to higher standards, there's really no reason Houdini should be dating a 19 year old
>>2816422>tankchads keep winningUSSR status?
>>2816502So you do believe young adults can't be trusted to make their own choices, got it.
Then put your money where your mouth is and say it loud and clear: people are children until 25 and therefore shouldn't have a say when it come to their own lives, nor they should be held accountable for their actions.
>>2815853>the ACP is very present on social mediaKind of? They have a small handful of extremely dedicated autists who coordinate in a Discord server to shill themselves every time anyone mentions something ACP-adjacent online, one of which is that Ed Gentry guy. It's basically a volunteer spam farm. Take note of the faces you see popping up in ACP-related discussions and you'll very quickly notice a pattern. I'm not going to say that there's absolutely zero organic support for the ACP, it does exist, but if this specific group of people stopped systematically dickriding Haz at every turn, you probably wouldn't hear about them very much anymore, insofar as you hear about them currently.
The ACP's immediate goal seems to be publicity at all costs, but publicity doesn't automatically equate to popularity, and, more importantly, publicity online doesn't automatically equate to publicity IRL. Algorithmic social media platforms like Twitter, the site they target most of their propaganda efforts towards, are designed to siphon people off into their own little bubbles. It's a mass medium that, by design, does not show the mass of people the mass of content. The ACP is only, as Haz puts it, "unavoidable online" if you exist within the niche of a niche of a niche where people not only know they exist to begin with but care enough to engage with them. At best, they've managed to alert a handful of libertarians to their existence, which has only served to give them more enemies. More generally, despite Haz's best efforts, the only member of their party that has been able to break out of the microscopic world of online anti-imperialistas and ideologyball enthusiasts is Jackson Hinkle, and Hinkle's relative notability does not seem to have made its way back to the ACP proper in any meaningful way.
More importantly, their ideology is
>based on vibes and aesthetics mostly, less based on substance (unless you consider Haz's gobbledygook on Substack as "theory").They could be the most popular political party in the US, but their ideological foundation is so flimsy that it would, at best, be worthless in regards to actually achieving communism.
>>2816131The most consistent (and believable) metric I've heard provided by members of the party itself has been ~1000, although I really don't have anything else to go off of but their claims. Their blockchain cadre ledger said they had ~350 cadre, which in my mind is the number that really matters, but they've since taken it down "temporarily" and claim that it actually didn't work past 2025 or maybe 2024, which I don't believe but whatever.
It's worth noting that when their membership count gets brough up, especially but not exclusively in comparison to the DSA, they get highly defensive and start saying things like
>O-one member of the A-ACP is worth 1000 members of t-the DSA!Which to me, implies that their membership is significantly smaller than that of the DSA and they're trying to cope their way around it.
In general, the impression I get is that they got a big influx of members early on, owing to Haz and Hinkle's existing audiences, but kind of stalled out after that. Building up a cult audience is very different from building up a mass one, although if you're an internet person, I can see why you'd conflate the two.
>>2815826>>2815837>>2815850>>2816331>>2816367>>2816377>>2816386>>2816397>>2816408>>2816452>>2816457>>2816473>>2816496>>2816517Age gap is really what matters, not the specific age of any individual party. If I had my way, age of consent would begin at 14 with a 1 year age gap allowed, widening by a year every other year.
>>2816369>liberals get deplatformeddude, your ideology literally owns the media, what the fuck are you talking about
>>2816496Maybe, but I don't think just sleeping with somebody at that age or having a relationship with them is necessarily taking advantage of them. There's no reason why an age gap should prevent two people from treating each other with respect.
>>2816369Can someone ACK this uyghur already?
Crazy how much you guys obsess over no-name e-celebs.
>>2816545Good to see you're back. Your English is about as good as it was before. I find it incredibly interesting that you're so invested in the ACP, considering you do not in fact live in or anywhere near the US.
I'm not going to watch an hour long Haz stream without more information as to why I should be watching it. Get me right, I am willing to trudge through his stuff for research purposes, and have done so before. My knowledge of his ideology, insofar as a consistent Hazite ideology exists, is sourced not from his enemies, but from him directly. However, I'm not going to read or listen to him without a prior reason for doing so. I respect my time too much for that.
In terms of my supposed libel, almost all of what I said in
>>2816526 is sourced from publicly available information that I found on my own, and that you too can find on your own, with only two exceptions. The first is their blockchain ledger, which is technically down right now. However, it was publicly available at one time, and snapshots of it, which I have no reason to believe have been falsified, can still be found on archive.org. The second is the use of Haz's Discord server for organized shilling, which I only know of through screencaps posted here by others, since I'm unwilling to join said server in order to check for myself. However, there is an invite link to the server right there on Haz's website if you want to look into the matter yourself, and even without that, the behavior I'm describing is something that can be observed by tallying up who is leaving pro-ACP replies and with what frequency.
>>2816557Hey, we are in /ISG/, aren't we?
if it was Hasan and not Houdini dating a 19 year old you all would be attacking him
>>2816608I couldn't care less about consenting adults doing their thing, start living life you pathetic bug.
>>2816397>the brain is developing until 25, stupid urban legend but I guess your brain stopped developing when you reached 5
>>2816663Who cares. 19 is an adult, mind your business
>>2816663He's correct on that one, but he is a consistent e-beggar that apparently can't afford rent so it's a classic case of do as I say, not as I do
>>2816663are you employed uygha?
>>2816665I don't "care", but I can consider it creepy, if one of my friends was dating a 19 yo I would tell them off.
Why are you so invested in defending it?
>>2816667He's not, I would suggest doing neither what he does or says
>>2816668Never
>>2816670>Why are you so invested in defending it?Because all these 'rules' about what adults should do are asinine and only serve to make our already chronically lonely society worse
>>2816671If your only avenue for defeating chronic loneliness is to start dating people barely out of highschool it's already over. Just become a creepy sex tourist in thailand already jeez
>>2816667No he is not correct about that, it is an outdated patriarchal mindset. People like you say women's liberation is complete and now unecessary, and then turn around and say victorian shit.
>>2816675I don't care about your puritan moralist feelings and you should fuck off. Do what you want to do and I'll do what I want to do.
>>2816670>I don't "care", but I can consider it creepy, if one of my friends was dating a 19 yo I would tell them off. finally some sense
>>2816678lmfao calm down with the buzzword salad dude, there's nothing puritanical or moralist about thinking you're a creep or that your argument for defending creeps is a dumb cope. "nooooo you don't understand I have to date recent high school graduates because of our chronically lonely societyyyyy :((((" lol
>Do what you want to do and I'll do what I want to do.That's what we're all doing here? What's with the redundancy?
>>2816681why are you so mad?
>>2816681I just dunno why you have to get in other people's business and be like 'uhm that's little shuddersome sweaty'. Like get a hobby or something. It's not like I'm crying over your message but I am just telling you off for your bullshit.
>>2816686Im not mad at all, the other guy is the one telling me to fuck off and shit lol, I'm only bemused
>>2816687Uh Im just commenting on some shit I see people talk about on an imageboard. Why are you do upset about it? Who gives a fuck if Im "getting in other people's business"? What's with all the cope? You dating a 19y/o and feel bad about it or smt? I don't really see why else you'd be taking such a valiant stance against my very basic, uncontroversial statements
>>2816689interesting how you reduce the woman to a mere object without any agency
>>2816676I think ultimately both should provide in their own way, (I've mostly seen the woman always be the one providing and it's manipulative as fuck) and there is no context to why he says that.
>>2816693It's interesting how you move the goalpost.
I would say the exact same thing if the 19 yo was a guy or if it was a gay relationship or whatev. Nice cope tho! I'll accept your concession
>>2816697what would you tell the 19 yo tho
>>2816707That they're stupid and/or a weirdo for dating an old geezer, who's probably taking advantage of them. It's their life tho ad da end o' da day
>>2816713No not at all, they have agency and can make their own choices, to an extent, and I can criticize those choices. But the brunt of the responsibility lies with the more developed/experienced person of course
Are you done with your little fake argument now?
>>2816450>understandably shat up by MSM outlets for the same reason that AMLO had been shat up bythe problem is that amblo was a really good force of good.
they probably met at a goth club or something
>>2816526Are you that "Fido" guy on Twitter (@FyodorOnegin)?
>>2816765
Not really. Some amongst the DSA and left libs would've mourned Hasan but there wouldn't have been a huge effort by the State and MSM to turn him into some kind of MLK tier martyr figure like they did with Kirk.
>>2816763>>2816765>>2816768If there was an actual communist presence in America Hasan would have been assassinated years ago, instead this Nazi apologist is considered the intellectual vanguard for “the left”
>>2816785
Correct, which is why we must be honest and uncompromising in our goals of bringing about JDPON. The walled garden of civilization must be pruned of weeds and detritus which liberal democracy allows to fester and the survivors made to redeem themselves in hard labor to repair the damage they’ve done to the periphery over 5 centuries
>>2816800
White collar trust fund jobs are not “hard labor”. Spend 14 hours a day in a cobalt mine and then we’ll talk
>>2816800
Serving yuppies their oat milk macciato laté with cold foam isn't hard labor.
>>2816806
Oh you poor baby. Oh woe is you. You have to work eight FULL hours in a modern automated air conditioned factory where the most physical labor you do is occasionally lift heavy objects with cutting edge technology made possible by your country’s rape and exploitation of the periphery? How awful! Oh my Fauci, this is literally another holodomor! AOCIA please save us!
>>2816814
Okay? Am I supposed to be impressed? You’re still a pampered labor aristocrat from the imperial core who takes no issue with contributing to the empire in its war efforts every day
>>2816811
>never turned a wrench in their life
>>2816821Houdini magazine will become a pornomag very soon, can't say it's very surprising
>>2816832All "activism" that isn't a strictly disciplined proletarian revolutionary org eventually turns into a business because without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary practice
>>2816832>the guy who uncritically posts Nazi material side by side with Lenin is also a sexually perverse degenerate Hold on while I pretend to be shocked
>>2816837
Atleast turning wrenches accomplishes thing. Serving goyslop for burgers just furthers the imperial conquest
>>2816806
>I spend 8 hours a day in a steel factory
So you rake in like 40-50 000 dollars a year? Pretty nice dude
>>2816868
That's how they getcha man, the more you make the more you spend fr
imagine still being a houdiniseether in the middle of the big 2026
>>2816712And you think they've never been told that before? You're so original, I bet they would be so happy about you shaming them for their life choices, you're a saviour really.
>>2816868
Like what? Spend too much?
Do people really think that BRICS is anti-imperialist?
>>2816879Every time I do save for some genuine expense, mostly car maintenance, it wipes most if not all savings then I just go fuck it, might as well gamble and drink and have fun, there’s no future or good things coming for frugality anyway
>>2816881>mostly car maintenanceCar maintenance or repairs? 5qts of oil and an oil filter is 40 dollars max.
>>2816878>And you think they've never been told that before?Nah probably not, nor do I really care if they have been
>You're so originalWhy would I care about that? Do you only have opinions on things to be original?
>, I bet they would be so happy about you shaming them for their life choices, you're a savior really.It's just my opinion dude, it's their life, if they wanna make bad choices it's up to them. But I will have an opinion on it.
Why are you so upset about this? Still mad at the last guy who thwarted your grooming of an impressionable teenager or what?
>>2816884It’s either insurance or something breaking down like shocks, struts, some line in the engine, the exhaust, fuck cars, I want public transport but I’ll never have it
>>2816881I mean car repairs sound shitty for sure, but still that's no reason to blow the rest of your savings. I mean think about how many times that has happened now, that could add up to thousands that you would still have now otherwise. It's not as if having money in your bank makes it more likely for bad things to happen.
>>2816899In my experience it does
>>2816899I’d rather be broke in a chemical haze than sober and repressing and miserable
>>2816719I think american demsocs will face the same rut the 4T is facing right now and that's the material concessions AMLO and Sheinbaum granted are quickly being erased, either by inflation or by eroding them bit by bit to try and stimulate an economy slowing down to a halt.
>>2816726No, and I don't really know who that is beyond seeing him argue with ACP people in Twitter threads. I generally don't mention the ACP on my socials, and when I do, it's pretty much always in an indirect way. They get off on other people talking about them online, and I'm not going to be the one give them the pleasure. Leftypol is the only place where I'm willing to openly discuss them, partially because the anonymity greatly reduces potential for drama on my end, partially because Leftypol and the Hazites are already well aware of each other, and partially because this site is small enough and niche enough that I'm not meaningfully propagating the ACP by talking about them here. In any case, I'm probably not who you think I am.
I do think it's worth emphasizing that most everything I've said can be verified by observing the publicly visable online actions and statements of ACP members themselves. I got their estimated membership count, for instance, from tweets posted by noteworthy members of the party, including the one attached to
>>2816526. So regardless of whoever I may or may not be, the claims themselves still stand.
>>2816526the acp is weirdly active on discord servers for influencers too if you go on jimmy dore's server half the mods are ACP guys
>>2816691who remembers when there was solidarity with the christchurch shooter because that mosque was literally indoctrinating and training Daeshis and then paying for their trips to Syria and other nations in west asia?
>>2816763we were robbed by israel.
>>2815930>age gap discourse is such a psyop I swear to god it came out of fucking nowhere"people talking about patriarchy is an attack against me, a degenerate redditor, I am the protagonist of history and love /r/Jailbait"
>>2816369>until they've destroyed the spaceDestiny is a world-historic wrecker like every soy neoliberal Zionist, never allow them any access to your community!
<On February 23rd, 2014, or Day 11 of Twitch Plays Pokemon, Destiny became a subject of controversy as his community brigaded Twitch chat and managed to not only capture Zapdos with the recently acquired Masterball, but also release Pokemon in-game, some which were held dearly by the gameplay community. This day would be known as "Bloody Sunday." In response to Destiny's actions, Destiny has claimed that people attempted to hack his accounts, spam report his account to Twitch, online slander, and sent unsolicited DMs.>>2816691>people who attend this mosque want us all to be killed"us" She's not talking about the American people
god forbid two legal adults whom work under capitalism date each other
especially if you read the (now deleted) thread where he talks about her having a lot of money from onlyfans, she messaged him, she reads his magazine and we all know Houdini is a broke ass ebegger
So this chick is old enough to sell box but not old enough to date a socialist? hmm
>>2816905So buy a bottle of vodka and drink it, then move on, you don't need to gamble and spend shit loads at bars.
age gap discourse is a spectacle in and of itself. adults will do what they want regardless of what some chronically online loser who never got laid thinks.
>>2816455no if you're a young woman and are attracted to an older man you're wrong and acting on it would be anti-feminist, actually
>>2816888>It's just my opinion dude, it's their life, if they wanna make bad choices it's up to them. But I will have an opinion on it.Note how the anti age gappers don't actually care about the young person's opinions or wellbeing, just their own discomfort at their 'bad choices' and desire to judge them for it, they don't care if their hysteria makes that person's life worse as long as they get their kicks from their patronising, patriarchal bullshit.
mossad appointed our boy a gf
>>2817346>she messaged himLol why? Bro ain't even attractive and his zine is all style and no substance
>>2817389He's tall though. And he said he has a big dick. Isn't that all you need?
oh so a dirtbag leftist is actually a dirtbag and not a rich brooklynite? maybe that's why you all are so shocked
>>2817402Consider not viewing women through the lens of desire. Be dignified my brother.
>>2817403How else are you supposed to look at women?
>>2817376Notice how the groomer is still moving the goalpost, while addressing nothing that is actually being said.
>they don't care if their hysteria makes that person's life worse lmfao talk about hysterics. Bro really doesn't like to be judged for his and his discord kitten's "relationship"
>>2817389Same reason he likes her, because she's an impressionable teenager
looking forward to the DDLG content from Houdini
holy fuck lmao
>gets arrested
>goes to jail
>serious criminal charges
>comes back
>doubles down
>dates teenager
truly our Huey Newton this Houdini character
>>2817447What crimes did he get charged with?
if onlyfans is taking a 20% cut and the modeling agency another 40%, then its hard to argue that any sex worker really controls the means of production ergo they are workers, the amount of money made individually doesn't really matter. Bulk of sex workers make a more reasonable salary, many making what a regular worker makes
>>2817447He literally dindu nuffin. His only crime was getting groomed by a rw influencer on discord after shitposting on Instagram.
>>2817456made a joke about Kirk (pbuh) and then that blonde pants shitter lady stalked him for 3 months to build a case
>>2817458An OnlyFans subscription is a form of rent, both for the creator as well as for the consumer. No production is involved here.
>>2817462>No production is involved here.There is a digital product being created.
Rent is still a fee upon a definite product.
>>2817458>Bulk of sex workers make a more reasonable salary, many making what a regular worker makesThe "bulk" of sex workers are trafficked slaves who get a pittance.
>>2817471won't someone please think of the poor sex kulaks?
>>2817476All those selfish children who are raped by western sex tourists!
Why ought we give a care about them, eh..?
>>2817471trafficked =/= worker
different catagories, different type of exploitation, compressing the two helps neither, most trafficked job is housekeeper, not porn star
>>2817484>working doesn't make you a workersuch startling ignorance.
>>2817460>His only crime was getting groomed by a rw influencer on discord after shitposting on InstagramThe worst crime of all
>>2817480I meant the other guys
>>2817458This is the most retarded shit ive read
>>2817488pray tell, slaves did a lot of work but wouldn't be considered "workers" in the sense that wage slavery is a different mode of economic exploitation than chattel slavery
>>2817586So slaves arent workers, then?
>>2817590correct, they are slaves
>>2817624Okay, so prostitutes are sex slaves, then?
And should we care about sex slaves?
>>2817627Like slavery we abolish it.
Prostitution and its demeaning exploitation ofnthe female sex started with private property and will end with it
>>2817635So yes, prostitutes are sex slaves?
>>2817638Basically, housewives too.
>>2817401>arrogant and homoerotically evil commie steroid freak nemesis of AmericaDrop the commie part and that's all looksmaxxers today. I can see why it works.
>99% of people who have seen Rocky IVAll red scare era boomers.
>>2817401>filtered by ivan drago editsyou are terminally menshevik
>>2817644based engelspilled take anon
>>2817401I can see it working. Rocky tells the wagie one defeats cum-munism by sucking up poverty and getting pummeled for your betters. Remove the patriotism and you are watching bad ending Forrest Gump, with boxing.
>>2817401>Ivan Drago (the stupidest depiction of communism ever)communism emancipates humanity from the parasite of capital and allows productive forces to reach their full potential, ivan drago represents someone who is at peak performance and mogs fighters who are limited by an inferior mode of production, its a perfect depiction of communism, not stupid at all, and even if it was stupid, people have been using it to ratio rightards on xitter to death, which is good and funny, but obviously you dont like that because you are a (gay) nazi, as your flag informs us, so you dont want your rightist comrades to get ratio'd, you would rather have leftists posting "kamala is brat" so it was them getting ratio'd, not happening, you lost
>>2810469
advances in technology driving greater verisimilitude.
before the ps2 women looked like munted pixels and polygons, ps2 looked like plastic NURBS dolls, ps360 era carried the porcelain doll appearence into HD, psONE onwards you could have frames and shaders.
cinematic game design means that every game needs to be realistic and have super detailed facial animations, closeups, 4k textures, and the reality of industrial asset production means that a different person does the concept, modelling, texturing, rigging, and animation and probably never meet each other.
if you want every character to look like a masterpiece all the time you'd need a small team that carries every character through from concept to release. this is how shit was done in AAA productions from 2004->2012. but these games had fewer assets, less detail, and smaller scope.
in the present day this runs afoul of labor relations, scheduling, and the pace of releases. wagies must be alienated from their labor.
this is before we even get to redditors and /v/irgins being a pack of racist gooners. the xbox live era of gamer males is actually an aberration, the golden age that proceded it and present day indieshit were/are both significantly more diverse in terms of audience, subject matter, and genre than the dark ages of COD and QTEs.
you cunts never gave a shit about games, you were using them in lieu of a personality.
>>2817639I can't help feeling a bit sad for Ethan, just a tiny itty bitty bit. Like, he's malicious and a zio and deserves much worse than he's having. But at the same time, the guy is clearly not playing with a full deck. He's totally incapable of salvaging his career or life in a way that the more cynical actors would totally have the flexibility for.
I hope Ethan doesn't kill himself later down the road. Because as he is now, the repulsive zio goblin, he inspires no sympathy. But his death could bring a myth much greater than the man to be managed by actually competent zionist propagandists.
I am happy to inform you that the Destiny Revenge porn court case is not going well for him.
>>2817763>I hope Ethan doesn't kill himself later down the road. Because as he is now, the repulsive zio goblin, he inspires no sympathy. But his death could bring a myth much greater than the man to be managed by actually competent zionist propagandists.Wtf are you on about, nobody would care if this toad offed himself, get real.
>>2817763Dude's a multimillionaire, he could just retire and not engage with any of this shit if he wanted to. He likes it dude
>But his death could bring a myth much greater than the man to be managed by actually competent zionist propagandists.If they couldn't do it with Kirk, who was actually assassinated on broadcast, they're certainly not gonna be able to pull it off if this zio offs himself
Not that he even would in the first place, as he has no reason to
>>2817772legit brightens up my day to hear that
>>2817774nta I kinda understand what anon is saying. People are the product of their environment which makes you feel pity when someone is unable to redeem themselves because of how they were raised or who they hang out with.
>>2817639sending noah a huge wad of cash
>>2817763I think the opposite. I think that ethan being utterly repulsive is keeping a lot of slop addicted people focused on palestine and if he were to suck start hila's galil those people would decide the show is over and return to celeb gossip. he's never becoming a martyr because it's too late: he's an old bitter loser who has contradicted every value he claimed to have in his heyday.
the other thing is this is a bullshit lawsuit. I read the filing when the pdf was going around and the summary of damages is actually a joke. it's such a weak case I don't know if ethan's going to spiral when this shit gets thrown out with prejudice, or he deliberately had his lawyer write it stupid so it couldn't drag into multiple hearings and bankrupt him.
>>2817772https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69650487/doe-v-bonnell/I read the filing and this woman is of age. didn't the bastard cop to having videos of underage girls on his computer in a call with a streamer that got recorded?
I could have sworn it came up he was grooming underage girls. did anything come of that?
>>2817941I like this man, his clear thinking, plain speaking, and provocative belligerence are refreshing. what do you do for me but make crappy posts I can't unread?
>>2817941Yeah this one is not going to age well
>>2817950Bourgeois art holds no power over men who will not be cowed by it, like Bad Empanada. Artists didnt eliminate hitler. Hitler WAS an artist. That is Bad Empanada's point.
>>2818037I find it very interesting that that's the conclusion you've come to, considering he outright said "art is completely worthless politically". It's a very direct statement with very little room for interpretation.
When you like someone, the natural tendency is to want to give them the benefit of the doubt, even when they don't really deserve it. It isn't quite the same as confirmation bias, but it occurs for similar reasons and has similar results. It can be hard, but it's in your own best interests to break out of this self-deception.
BE should read Left-Wing communism
>>2818104if you weren't illiterate you would know he is a rightist (socdem) not an "ultra"
>>2817093Kurt Vonnegut speech bubble.
>>2818164Oops I meant that for
>>2817941.
hasanites really think badempanada is some sort of leftcom bordigist just because he doesnt suck zionazi democrat dick lmao
>>2817639It really is just sad at this point. Not even the DGG cult and Asmonroach fans care about pedo_troll anymore, he thought he could whip them up in a frenzy again but none of them are talking about this at all.
>>2818163Didn't the Vietnam war with the good guys winning? What an odd thing to be a doomer about. Anyway, if art is so worthless, why do so many countries have so many rules regarding its production? If it didn't matter, nobody would think to censor it to begin with.
>>2818183The Vietnam war lasted 19 years and ended victoriously for the Vietnamese due to the perseverance of the Vietnamese people, their application of marxism leninism and the vital assistance of other socialist nations. Not because some fucking hippies in the US drew a poster or made a song or whatever
>>2817941Common badempanada w
>>2817941haha lotta fragile theater kids got worked up by that one
>>2817941this is mark fisher-pilled and you people only disagree with it because it's BE saying it. if this was hbomberguy waxing poetic about interpassivity and culture industry and society of the spectacle, you would be soyfacing at this cold-ass take. like look at the thread youre in lmfao
>>2817941No bro one more video essay about Antz with artistic costume design will create the Communist movement.
>>2818217the hidden communism of pixar
>>2818211But BE is a soytuber obsessed with spectacle too. The por calling the kettle black situation
>>2817941He is correct. Like Star Wars was about a Maoist revolution and nobody gave a fuck. Art is downstream.
>>2818221yeah well it's basically soytubers fighting against each other
>>2818223>Star Wars was about a Maoist revolutionWtfff
>>2818171wtf is BE doing? Is he educating people? Is he mobilizing the masses? What sort of real class struggle is he doing right now?
>>2818224Correct. BE is even cringier than most though ever
>>281822
He's beefing with Ethan Klein and random breadtubers. That's real political impact on society, you stupid treatlerite ultra!
>>2818226well, he is not currently trying to sheepdog people into democratic party entryism. i believe doing literally nothing is, in fact, better.
>No, MY favorite leftoid soytuber is actually based And important unlike YOURS!!
Do BEfags really?
>>2818183you have the reading comprehension of a 5 y/o
>>2818225what do you mean by wtf, this is common knowledge and has been admitted by Georgy himself.
NastyEnchilada is just Hasan but edgier and ugly.
>>2818234Yeah at least artists make good shit on occasion. What have soytubers and streamerfags given to the world? He's worse than an artist
>>2818171Lenin's book wasn't about Bordiga dog it was about Mr. Pancake
if BE is doing this dumb "art" discourse because he hates boots riley movies then it's absolutely based because his movies blow ass lol
>>2818240yeah but it slaps 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
>>2818235BE is Hasan if Hasan didn't advocate for Democrats. Remember that they were in good terms until BE's autism and Hasan's bootlicking escalated.
>>2817941Dude's a dipshit but he's partially correct. Art isn't meaningless of course, that's like saying agitation and propaganda are meaningless, but mainstream art is in fact defanged and agitprop is only as useful as it results in action. I'll also add that artists are held as authority in political (and philosophical) matters when they're often petite bourgeois and disconnected from the average worker's living conditions.
>>2818211Regardless of who said it, it's a stupid fucking statement.
Notice how nobody's been able to refute the point that artistic censorship implies that art is, on some level, influential and important. Instead, it's been a bunch of "lol, I bet this heckin triggered the le cringe Twitter artists and breadtubers", as with
>>2818207 and
>>2818217.
Once you get your head out of the thick mire of social media retardationism, you'll realize that art is indeed important for shaping ideology. It's far from the
most important factor, don't get me wrong, but a child who grows up on a diet of Marvel movies, Fortnite, Mumblerap, and internet porn is most definitely going to be affected by it, in much the same way a child that grows up on McDonald's will not be of the same health as a child that eats their fruits and veggies.
>>2818246yes. regardless of peoples emotional attachment to it.
it do be slappin doe 😂😂😂😂😂😂 haha
>>2818240yeah it didnt stop pinochet
also art being useless is what makes it art
>>2818240this song is downstream from chilean protests. chileans, in fact, didn't protest because this song exists, the song wasn't instrumental to the chilean protests, as representative as the chant is. that's a backwards "cart before the horse logic" only a thespian child would come up with.
ok so this thread is just going to boil down to equivocating representative symbols for the real thing, well i guess this IS the internet spectacle general
>>2818252indeed, you could paint it in every single building on earth and we would still be living in capitalism
>>2816369why is this dude such a shill for israel? why is this dude such a shill for capitalism? he's basically a conservative with some liberal values, and that's why I stopped watching his content.
BE just said art doesnt really affect politics, not that art is le bad, why are retards crashing out so hard lol
>>2818244>Regardless of who said it, it's a stupid fucking statement.no it isn't, it in fact is evidence that ideology is not just some empire of ideas thing divorced from reality but actually practiced everyday. it doesn't matter how many movies about evil corporations are there in the world if it changes absolutely nothing about our reality, you really need to read the books stickied on top.
>>2818257the problem is posting BE here is bound to trigger anons and grab some (you)s every single time and that just encourages people to post him here more
>>2818256because he quite literally is a gusano
TIL most leftypolers unironically think anti-war folk songs are what made Vietnam win the war
>>2818251>downstreamDangerously undialectical attitude. Everything is at once upstream and downstream, influenced by and influencing. The song was indeed a product of the protests, but it also fueled them, making further protests in part a product of it.
>>2818259First he says
>It doesn't matter how many movies about evil corporations are there in the world if it changes absolutely nothing about our reality, but then he contradicts himself with
>you really need to read the books stickied on top.If watching a movie isn't going to change anything, why would reading a book do any better? And again, if art doesn't matter, why does a state like China feel compelled to censor it? For funsies?
>>2818266Retarded strawman. Nobody said it was decisive, it was only one factor among many, but it was a factor nonetheless, and to deny it is absurd.
>>2818269>it was only one factorit was a non-factor
>>2818269>If watching a movie isn't going to change anything, why would reading a book do any better? you would look less stupid in the internet spectacle general thread if you read a single book
Now that I think about it, it's not surprising that the online drama thread is full to the brim with theater kids who think life is like a Disney Movie and that fiction bends reality or some idealist bullshit along those lines.
by the degree you are grasping these empty symbols with what i can only describe as religious fervor, some of you would make for better christians than commies.
>>2818277that is not art.
>>2818268no, it doesnt, art is by definition non-utilitarian, a work of art or an "aesthetic object" doesnt have a defined purpose, it always remains "open", thats why chairs or spoons arent art
>>2818050>I find it very interesting that that's the conclusion you've come to, considering he outright said "art is completely worthless politically". It's a very direct statement with very little room for interpretation.I will be more cogent. This line is unsurprising to materialists. Art is completely politically worthless. Art didnt save nazi germany even though they spent trillions on fascist art and movies. Art is negative value. To ascribe value to art is to say men's lives are worth less than ai slop. There is no coincidence that Hitler himself was an artist. Bad Empanada is 100% correct here.
>When you like someone, the natural tendency is to want to give them the benefit of the doubt, even when they don't really deserve it. It isn't quite the same as confirmation bias, but it occurs for similar reasons and has similar results. It can be hard, but it's in your own best interests to break out of this self-deception.Incorrect. When a class likes or dislikes someone, they defend them to death or try to kill them. The proletarian cherish Bad Empanada, but the exploiters fear and attack him. The fascist proponent of the artist class grasps at straw, declaring "art dictates politics" solely because they hate Bad Empanada. They unable to grasp Bad Empanada Thought, to ponder and appreciate the lessons and misteps of Bad Empanada. BE derangement syndrome is natural false consciousness tendancy of the imperialist ignoramous, self-deception in accordance with material imperialist interests.
>>2818284ugh. BE
is right, but you make it very embarrassing to acknowledge that by giving him the verbal equivalent of the sloppiest toppy.
>Bad Empanada Thoughtkys
why do BEseethers always have the most hardcore melties?
>>2818304Because everything is heckin useless
honkoid status?
>>2818280Stalin would strongly,
strongly disagree with you. But I guess you, random internet retard, know better.
>>2818284If art is of no political value, why does censorship exist?
If art is of no political value, why does censorship exist?
If art is of no political value, why does censorship exist?
It's an extremely simple question that, for some reason, everyone ITT is terrified to answer.
>>2818304Who specifically are you talking to? Yourself? Anyway, it's fucking moronic, dare I say useless, to dismiss criticism of your internet dad as "melties".
>>2818317Disengage.
>>2818304Disengage.
Do you know what else is useless?
Ridiculous that you're having a discussion about art without regard for the reproduction of commodity fetishism
There is no neat bifurcation between art and society as art signifies little more than a circuit of commodity consumption and production. The relegation of art as irrelevant is to ignore its material basis in society without understanding that the term supercedes its own usage and embodies the class relations of its context as well as this function in the socialisation of proles into bourgeois culture
"Art" is as necessary as food or munitions
>>2818328>>2818332You don't get it bro, art is useless cuz my favourite youtuber said so.
my favorite breadtuber, andrew breitbart, says that politics is downstream from culture, you CHUD
>>2818284>Art is completely politically worthlesscorrect
>Art is negative value. why? just because its politically impotent? politics is just one part of human existence, and if revolution happens and global communism is established politics wont exist anymore
>To ascribe value to art is to say men's lives are worth less than ai slop.some men's lives are indeed worth less than ai slop
>>2818328>If art was worthless, if propaganda was a negative valuepropaganda isnt art
>>2818304BEglazers are the new infracels/hazites
>>2818344You're absolutely right, the exact same retard third worldist politics too
>>2818304because they are liberals.
>>2818340>propaganda isnt artIn what way is it not? The social value of art exists in its ability communicate ideas and induce emotional states, making it an ideal substrate for propaganda. It's why the Soviet Union took the approach to art that it did, why they pushed for art with socialist themes and why they fought, at every turn, the formalist attitudes espoused by the likes of
>>2818280 >>2818353As if BE isn't? The dude is a self-loathing whitoid who goes around taking up whatever cause is willing to rape him the hardest.
>>2818300nah, his cuba videos were pretty good. I showed them to some normies and they actually clocked that communist countries were just normal countries with normal people (just better educated). I like that he's doing gonzo journalism and talking to the man on the street rather than joining a press junket.
he's no john pilger but he made some contacts and tickets are cheap. it'd be nice if he kept visiting and recapping the politics.
I'm not going to pretend it wouldn't be better if he did it in drag and had some costume changes, maybe likened some things to pixar movies.
>>2818332wouldn't that be saying that art under this current mode of production is value negative, provided "value" is strictly meant to quantify how useful art is as a vehicle for agitprop? because you aren't seeing the transformative effects of art in the base, in fact, we're seeing art reinforce current material relationships. sure this would mean that BE would be wrong about art produced in the soviet union, but that's a relatively specific exception, and the people involved in the conversation are treating shit like boots riley and pixar films as basically tantamount to agitprop already, which seems at odds with reality to me.
>>2818370Dude that is art, therefore useless
>>2817410they don't want to talk about how their own guy is grooming someone
>>2818338underrated. the economic base creates the political and cultural superstructure, it's never the other way around. never.
>>2818317This is very simple. Art has no political value. All men have political value. Art does not exist, men exist. Art is not censored, men who make art are censored. You promote hitlerian artist class false consciousness. This is nothing to get emotional over unless you are hitlerian artist.
>>2818340Art is negative value because it is deduction from socially aggregate product. This is scientific socialism. Ascribing any value to worthless AI generated slop is to say all men are worth nothing.
>>2818374>value negativeThis is a nonsense term that you've created from your imagination to explain the hypothetical existence of art as something other than a commodity
This entire discussion serves no purpose other than to confuse people in order to lead them down a particular line of discussion suitable to this idiot's (BE)'s ends
>>2818372>>2818374>in fact, we're seeing art reinforce material relationship as it isThat still doesn't equate to worthless. What you're saying is paramount to seeing that violence is being used by the bourgeois to enforce the current social order, and concluding that violence is useless. No, if anything, its usefulness to the bourgeois is proof of its usefulness generally.
>and the people involved in the conversation are discussing shit like boots riley and pixar films as basically agitpropNone of us have. You psychos have this bizzare obsession with breadtube faggots and keep seeing them in places that don't exist. Nobody but you and the people you spend your every waking hour malding over even knows what Boots Riley is.
>>2818389Two questions. First, if art does not exist, then how do men make it? Second, if art is of negative value, why did the Soviet Union invest heavily in and have strong opinions on it?
>>2818380it is objectively useless.
neither hasan nor BE ended the energy crisis in cuba, it was beijing and ankara building solar arrays, batteries, and floating a power plant on a barge over there that did it.
>>2818391Untrue. Read Marx.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1863/theories-surplus-value/ch04.htm>The great mass of so-called “higher grade” workers—such as state officials, military people, artists, doctors, priests, judges, lawyers, etc.—some of whom are not only not productive but in essence destructive, but who know how to appropriate to themselves a very great part of the “material” wealth partly through the sale of their “immaterial” commodities and partly by forcibly imposing the latter on other people—found it not at all pleasant to be relegated economically to the same class as clowns and menial servants and to appear merely as people partaking in the consumption, parasites on the actual producers (or rather agents of production). This was a peculiar profanation precisely of those functions which had hitherto been surrounded with a halo and had enjoyed superstitious veneration. Political economy in its classical period, like the bourgeoisie itself in its parvenu period, adopted a severely critical attitude to the machinery of the State, etc. At a later stage it realised and—as was shown too in practice—learnt from experience that the necessity for the inherited social combination of all these classes, which in part were totally unproductive, arose from its own organisation. >>2818415great post. looking forward to applying this to the sonic inflation art industry.
ha$an says maureen gallindo is hecking antisemitic
when did he become such a slut for israel?
>>2818422she is. she's said some schizo shit about jews in hollywood and 'the synagogue of satan'. where he and his clique fucked up was in condemning the comment she made against zionists and pedophiles where she made zero mention of jews.
>>2818415Please respond to
>>2818399 >>2818422I get not liking Hasan and AOC but this bitch is fed posting on main.
>>2818399>That still doesn't equate to worthless.As a vehicle for agitprop?
>None of us haveYes, I'm deliberately reducing the conversation for western movies, I said that I was doing it. if you don't like it then don't argue anything, it would be a waste of time to argue categorically in a way that is fundamentally removed from the current moment.
>>2818399>You psychos have this bizzare obsession with breadtube faggots and keep seeing them in places that don't exist.Also this is deranged, as if western art performing anti-capitalism wasn't widely understood as a feature of capitalism already by most philosophers indulging in ideology, you guys are way out of line because bad empanada makes you extremely angry, and you need to take a breather.
>>2818436>As a vehicle for agitprop?Yes. Most any tool that can be used by the bourgeois can be used by the proletariat. That's like Marxism 101.
>Yes, I'm deliberately reducing the conversation for western moviesWhy? But also, the point still stands.
>>2818441>Why?Like I said, it would be divorced from the current moment where movies are obviously not transforming the base, as I said already, which would imply that art is reinforcing conditions from the superstructure, no matter how anti-capitalist they present themselves as. It doesn't matter if it's Wall-E or the new superman movie, over-consumption and genocide are unchanged facts despite their existence and wide recognition.
>>2818433>but this bitch is fed posting on mainbased, houdini style
>>2818440>as if western art performing anti-capitalism wasn't widely understood as a feature of capitalism already by most philosophers indulging in ideologyWho are these supposed "philosophers indulging in ideology"?
>you guys are way out of line because bad empanada makes you extremely angry,He annoys me, but he does not make me angry. What does anger me is that a man as obviously stupid has an audience, even if it is a small one, and that said audience consists of people stupider than him.
Of course, the overall sentiment you're trying to express is that I've automatically "lost" because I felt a negative emotion towards something that doesn't bother you. It's an absolutely moronic thing to think, but it's also unfortunately common enough that I'm not exactly surprised to see it.
>>2818442That's like asking why over-consumption and genocide still exist despite people watching Hasan Piker, reading Noam Chomsky, and listening to John Lennon. If you think that Wall-E represents anti-capitalist politics in any meaningful way, I genuinely don't know what to tell you.
>>2818457>Who are these supposed "philosophers indulging in ideology"?Simon Penny? Mona Sarkis? Robert Pfaller? And yes, eventually recuperated by Mark Fisher and Zizek? It's not particularly controversial!
> That's like asking why over-consumption and genocide still exist despite people watching Hasan Piker, reading Noam ChomskyIt is a valid question, I know you're trying to reduce it to some sort of absurd, but those are, indeed, ostensibly anti-capitalist figures! Why are the excess of capitalism still so ever-present if anti-capitalist figures are not only present, but mainstream!
>>2818458 (me)
It seems you're willing to recognize that indeed, anti-capitalism is something that CAN be performed without it transforming the base, but you're just not willing to extend it beyond Hasan Piker or whatever, why?
>>2818463 (me)
Maybe you can counter with a western movie that is in your opinion actually valuable as an ideological vehicle for communism, and has demonstrable impact to advance its cause? Like what sort of pedagogical masterpiece is everyone missing here
>>2818458>>2818463It's because, in truth, they don't actually offer any meaningful opposition to capitalism besides, at most, complaints that it isn't being done in a better, more equitable way. They're pretty much universally advocating for Franklin Roosevelt, not Vladimir Lenin.
Going back to Wall-E, it addresses problems caused by capitalism, but does so from a very individualistic, moralistic lens, where the problem is not our underlying economic system, but instead greed, sloth, and gluttony. Remember, the movie ends with everyone going back down to earth and arbitrarily deciding "okay, we're going to stop being so lazy and take better care of the environment now!", which somehow makes everything better.
>>2818469The problem is that Western cinema generally is controlled by the bourgeois. If something has a genuinely radical message, it's not going to receive the funding or marketing it needs to reach a mass audience. You're asking for something that isn't allowed to exist.
>>2818422>ha$an says maureen gallindo is hecking antisemiticlol that lady is obviously more than a bit incoherent and it's unlikely hasan, who deems himself a serious politico, would support her, despite the fact that he doesn't risk anything in particular because he is not a serious politico, he's a twitch streamer.
>>2818422She's too much of a schizo to support.
Only salvageable part of her rhetoric is that supporting Israel over your own country's interests is treasonous.
>>2818486pretty much my take on her too
>>2818486>She's too much of a schizo to support.schizo bad but psychos like Platner (glows) are good enough for Haᛋᛋan (millionare)
>>2818485>he's a twitch streamer.and a DNC agent
>>2818497platner is at least a socdem making socdem points
>platner is at least a socdem
everytime you read the word "socdem" translate it in your head into "neoliberal" if you want to stop being cattle
>>2818481>Going back to Wall-E, it addresses problems caused by capitalism, but does so from a very individualistic, moralistic lensOk let's extend the movie catalogue a bit further, what about critically acclaimed documentary The Voice of Hind Rajab? It offers a much more succinct prescription, ending the genocide. Despite massive critical acclaim, the genocide is still present and shows no signs of stopping from the western world, it has sparked no protests in the west, in fact, it has achieved nothing, despite winning mainstream awards, why is this?
>The problem is that Western cinema generally is controlled by the bourgeois.But that would sort of affirm that you can't produce art under the current mode of production that also doubles as an effective vehicle for agitprop, yes? I know we're somewhat in agreement at this point and we're hashing out practically details, but when I look at the replies against Bad Empanada, nobody is jumping to the fray presenting Yo Soy Cuba as a counter-example, which I would still suspect that it would be co-opted anyway under capitalism as interpassive entertainment, because Cuba IS being starved
>>2818500it doesn't really matter either way, that he is a socdem is obvious, but ultimately irrelevant
>>2818412>it is objectively useless.Then why does art exists?
>>2818507 (me)
What about this? Was this a useful vehicle to change foreign policy? What about Michael Moore's Farenheit 911, was that an effective vehicle to end the Iraq War? Was the prescription of ending the iran war framed as "individualistic" here, or what do you think failed during the anti-bush, anti-iraq war era? what is your diagnosis here, what do you think was misunderstood about the message, what was not captured that would've made anti iraq-war art actually effective to alter foreign policy
>>2818556why does any entertainment exist, really. why do theme parks exist. why do sex shops exist.
>>2818558All those things have a reason of being, they respond to a need. Otherwise, there wouldn't be an incentive for humans to develop these industries. When you are saying that art is useless, you are pretty much saying there's no reason for it to exist. So explain how every work of art of any type wasn't inspired by any purpose.
>>2818564when BE says art is "politically useless", he is saying art is unable to achieve the political goals it's aiming towards. but i suppose letting americans quell their guity conscience by allowing them to indulge in the consumption of "correct" media IS a social function, you're right!
>>2818567I don't give a fuck about Americans breadtubers. I do care about BE's broad statement because I think is fundamentally wrong. To say art and artists are overrated is one thing, to say they are completely worthless politically is another. Yes, art alone doesn't win revolutions, and artists aren't revolutionary geniuses either, but then for what purpose do humans create art to represent political movements or express struggle? Why does propaganda manifest through art?
>>2818573>but then for what purpose do humans create art to represent political movements or express struggle?in the case for americans, it is to let them indulge in politically inert performance of action, as i explained before, you're right, that is indeed a useful incentive for the production and reproduction of art in the west, don't sell yourself short, you were onto something!
If 4chan is supposed to be "edgy" and "contrarian" why haven't they gone full woke now that every fucking social media from Instagram to X to TikTok is filled with mysognistic, racist and homophobic bullshit
It's almost like they were just bigots all along
>>2818576Because you arent selling them on the fact that most corporations are outselling them to indians and globalism and so on.
if you asked them what they think of elon musk they would most likely hate him on /pol/ for trying to replace them.
>>2818553>that he is a socdem is obviousnot really, just saying socdem things doesnt make you a socdem, I know its hard to believe but sometimes political candidates lie
>>2818578Anti-Indian racism is rampant on X and Instagram. My point is why does /pol/ still pretend being a chud is le heckin countercultural when the last years prove these reactionary beliefs are still widespread in society and were just slightly held back during the Obama era
>>2818591yes but they were never rampant before a few years ago.
they follow thrends SOMEWHAT. which is what you see at pol and int. that being said if you want be taken super seriously at there you just need to not worry about that and do what you are still doing like IT and car manufacturing until it dies off like atheism did similarly on youtube.
everyone wants le edgy leftism but cries about a guy dating a 19 year old
>>2818424The real question is: why is this unacceptable but platner is ok? Why are big meanie words too much but a guy directly protecting an american torture and murdercamp is fine?
>>2818557fat mike is the ethan klein of pop punk. just a really creepy dude. here's the completely non-regrettable jewish supremacist skinhead anthem he wrote for fuck knows what reason.
what a cunt. I fucking hate him.
>>2818591>why does /pol/ still pretend being a chud is le heckin counterculturalVictim complex. Ayone disagreeing with them means they are opressed and therefore the underdog.
>>2818581and what is he then? don't say "nazi" because there's no evidence for that, but him being a socdem is not just simply in what he said but what's logical for a man like him to do
>>2818614He is BTFOing reactionary third-worldists
HUGE DRAMA
BIG DRAMA
zizek be like shniff
haha
>>2818614damn dude fell off. If you eliminate his stupid accent and short bus cadence by just bulleting his points this is the exact same shit fashlibs like destiny and douglas murray bang on about:
>third world countries are fascist>black south africans are rapists>africa needs liberal feminism and liberal queer studies>the burkinabe government is homophobic>black south africans long for apartheid>you can't blame europeans for the dire state of colonial nations and the third worldtotally fucking washed bro. what conference is this where those international relations wonks are just sitting there like this is sophisticated or groundbreaking?
>>2818608you're actually so weak man it's unbelievable
>>2818576They won't go woke but I can see them becoming anti-authoritarians again
>>2818720you know what's fucking weak dude? every fucking record on his label. especially the debut albums because he signs trash.
>>2818720you know what else is weak, fat mike. after signing frenzal rhomb for an album, the fat fuck comes to straya to meet them. they guest DJ rage on a friday together, apparently by sunday they were jack of the bastard because they slammed his head into a bin and kicked the shit out of him.
it was in fat mike's sad clown and yuck kink stories era. rumour has it he spent the whole time with them insulting everyone and everything, talking about how much money he had while buying expensive spirits, and begging them to find him coke. they did not find any coke.
now, details are sketchy on this bit. apparently he had a sook, got paralytic and tried to grope a woman (possibly staff) at one of the punk bars. it's a tiny scene over here, and everyone's very nice. you don't wanna be known as the guys with a rapist mate. so it'd kind of explain why they punched on.
Joe Rogan:
>Billionaires are billionaires because they work 20 hours a day
So they only sleep 4 hours a night? But let's investigate this - here, Joe is assigning quantity to the returned value on labour, that if one works 20 hours a day, he should eventually make a billion dollars. If we round UP the median salary of the US to $70,000/y, and convert the gross into net payment, it would take over 14,000 years for this to add up to $1,000,000,000. If we triple the workload, so that 8 hours a day turns to 24 hours a day, it would still take over 4,000 years to make $1,000,000,000 - with your body being a pure vessel of endless labour. So, there's a slight problem in the labour theory of billion dollar values, and so it is necessary to assume that the billions which a person is worth, must come from the labour of others.
>>2818606>The real question is: why is this unacceptable but platner is ok?because platner is fight agency approved, the other lady isn't
>>2818606>The real question is: why is this unacceptable but platner is ok? because maine voters decided they didn't care?
>>2818614Indistinguishable from leftypol anti-third worldist rhetorics
>>2818606you need an answer? it's not obvious?
platner is contesting a repub senate seat in a state where the unions are heavy arms factories. galindo is contesting a primary in texas, which for all intents and purposes IS israel.
from their perspective if galindo smokes the dem zionist in the primaries she'll only choke when she needs to be elected by the biblemunching zionist public in the general. even worse, if they don't speak out against her their pimps at aipac and jstreet won't pay them.
platner could win and be ok, win and have a stroke like conehead, or lose: the dems are risking nothing but ther credibility (still nothing).
This is a Maureen Galindo thread now, hasanist-platnerist bots aren't welcome here.
>>2818891texas would never elect someone that talks about converting ice facility centers into zionist/pedophile re-conversion center. their two assigned senators are rabid zionist lovers, lmao.
it's stupid to say the least.
not even in Minnesota or California where the most radical anarchists live say this.
it's obviously a co-option campaign to de-mobilize people away from the democratic party.
she's an insane radlib.
>>2818900but counter-point, the 'appealing to the base democraps' are talking like fucking rethuglicans in texas.
>deport the inmigrants>I demand trump to be more warmonger with Iran. invade Cuba, etc.lmao.
such a clown country.
>>2818891>>2818900>>2818907I wouldn't worry about it. straight's still closed, israel is still doomed, trump is still definitely a chomo.
>>2818900I BELIEVE THAT SHE WILL WIN
ITS HER TURN
GO AWAY DEMORALIZER HA$ANCHUD, BERNIE (zionist) LOST!
>>2818900>someone that talks about converting ice facility centers into zionist/pedophile re-conversion centerI just saw the clip where she said that zionist billionaires should be in internment camps and that the pedos she put into the ice detention camps would mostly be jewish zionists while wearing hot pink barbie glasses, and honestly between this and NYT admitting that the IDF are rapist child molesting thugs this is shaping up to be a crazy week.
you son's of bitches I'm in. somebody do a maureen edit of this.
>>2818943>somebody do a maureen edit of this.you forgot to clarify it has to be her choking Haᛋᛋan tho
>>2818614i don't what he said or seen the video but
based zizek
>>2818614Not watching the video.
But I'll go ahead and dispense the usual defense of Zizek's politics, every time he comes out to say something ghastlier than before. To save us the time:
>You are just wrong, your lying ears are wrong and cannot grasp the nuance of this great philosopher's arguments for the European(NATO) Herrenvolk>I am mostly concerned with his academic work and you should let me derrail the discussion you see…>Zizek's academic work is blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla HEIL HITLER bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blaHEIL HITLER blablabla bla bla bla bla HEIL HITLER blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla HEIL HITLERbla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla HEIL HITLER bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla blablabla bla bla bla bla… >>2818961lies he said HEIL BORDIGA
>>2818961It's 4 minutes long and his argument is simple. You might as well engage with it instead of posting a wall of cope
>>2818962life is unfaaaairrr
>>2818946no, her choking greenblyatt
>>2819073can't she choke both?
>>2819028I saw an israeli left protest get smashed by the idf riot goons while they were chanting
from jerusalem to hebronand I deadass wished they'd get beaten harder. fuck israelis. if they want to stay after the collapse they can live in palestine.
>>2819057I pirated it, its way similar to disco. 7/10 so far.
>>2819057don't like the character art. why do the protags look like generic jrpg kpop pretty people? that's not in the spirit of DE
>>2819184>independent unionsyou'd think ultras would be able to get this basic thing right
DESTINY UNBANNED ON TWITCH
>>2819223hasan's gonna flip!!!
>>2819206fuck hbomb for this tbh, just a corpo sellout, doesn't wanna risk his infinite patreonbux huh.
>>2819264yeah right, keep telling yourself that. american 'self defense' laws are insane.
DESTINY HAS BEEN RE-PERMABANNED
>>2819272lmao wtf is goin on
looksmaxxing becomes pretty funny when you realize its just zoolander irl
>>2819317I watched zoolander for the first time recently and that was all I could think abour lol
>>2819263>>2819206Whatever a terminally online american sexually harrasses people there is a high chance of then responding "i'm autistic" or "as a rape victim" as a shield from backlash.
>>2819206Who are these people and why should we care?
>>2819317There's a resemblence but I think even more to Bret Easton Ellis' other novels like Glamorama.
>>2819441tragic. s'ing my zamn h
what should I say if I just don't give a shit about hasan piker?
>>2819438>@GoyEmpanada kek
>>2819453“Oh sorry, I don’t watch Twitch”
what is the issue with two consenting adults having a relationship and why does this discussion about Houdini feel targeted, so what if he's dating a 19 year old?
>>2819476It’s not criminal but it is embarrassing and it’s drama around an eceleb, which is what the internet was invented for
>>2819477embarrasing? how
>>2819490Why would anyone try to date someone out of their age range? What could you possibly get out of it when one party has vastly more life experience than the other?
>>2819498you live in a world where the average person is over the age of 60
maybe they both like obscure 80s new wave music, maybe they're both socialists, from what i read on siberia this all started because someone saw him with the chick at a BDSM club, that's a shared interest
>>2819498Even if someone is younger than you they'll have their own life experience which is different from yours. Plus sharing your own life experience can be rewarding in itself.
>>2819477the internet was invented to provide a distributed and fully redundant military communications network that could survive nuclear war.
>>2819263This poor girl is insanely traumatized and all you can think of is how to continue the fetishization of that predicament. Hbomber guy is 100% in the right, here. This girl needs help, not validation.
>>2819206hbomberguy can die, for all I care. he rallied for nazis in ukraine, doing fundraising events, and so on.
fucking pathetic sell out.
>>2819115>I pirated it, its way similar to disco. 7/10 so far.How is the dialogue? Does it have the clever references to lefty culture like the first did, or does it fall flat?
All the good writers are gone, so i am very suspicious.
I follow this lib (though, I'd say he's more like a realist), along other oil markets specialists, who have helped me to understand where the oil market is since 2017.
he has a hot take for the democratic report, the 'autopsy report'. give or take, it highlights the issues that the DNC faces.
00:00
>Now the Democratic Party has come out with an autopsy report on why they lost the 2024 election. I don't need to read that. They all say the exact same thing. All they do is highlight who they ignored during that particular election. As if it even matters, it's not like they know how to talk to anyone anyway. I mean, they could talk to everyone or ignore everyone. It really wouldn't make any difference. And this is why the Democrats lose. Let me explain this to you. If you ever noticed right-wing influencers, what are they talking about? What are the words they're using? What are they saying?
00:29
On chuddies influencers:
>You look at any right-wing influencer, they're simply repeating what Donald Trump says, or what Fox News says, or what the Republican Party says. They are amplifiers of the same overall message. I've never heard one have an original thought in my life, and that's actually good for Republicans.
00:45
On left-leaning democrats:
>What do left-wing influencers do when they talk about a subject they're all giving their own opinions on it and that's often quite disconnected from the opinions of Democratic politicians? What I'm saying is they're not amplifying the Democratic message. The reason they're not amplifying it is because it's terrible. Let me give you an example. I spent two years talking about the OPEC 2020 deal and the effect it had on gas prices under the Biden administration. Not a single Democrat [politician] brought it up one single time ever.
01:12
On the disconnection between dnc politicians and the influencers:
>The first time the OPEC 2020 deal was brought up was after Donald Trump had won election the second time. After it was far too late. Why didn't they [democratic politicians] bring it up? Well, they were focused on blaming oil companies for high gas prices. I'm sorry, are there oil companies on the ballot? Do they run for office?
01:28
>Another example, you know, a month or two ago I started talking about how the big beautiful tankers coming to the United States that was going to take our gasoline and diesel was going to make our gas prices go much higher than they normally would during a time of high oil prices. So Donald Trump said big beautiful tankers were coming and it was beautiful and I told you why it was horrible. And when I explained to you why it was horrible, you understood that that made Donald Trump an idiot for thinking it wasn't. What have you heard Democratic politicians say about the tankers coming?
01:57
>They say all these tankers are coming and oil companies are making record profits. So let me ask you again, how many oil companies are running for office in the midterms? You have all of these Republicans talking about how beautiful it is that all of these tankers are coming to get our gas and diesel, and you're talking about oil companies. And not talking about how unbelievably stupid it is for Republicans to think this is a good thing.
02:22
>And you wonder why you can't win an election. And what did the Republicans do in response to you focusing on oil companies again? They did the same thing. They're like, yeah, those oil companies are price gouging because you literally let them off the hook. And from my perspective, if you can't do something as basic as figuring out how to talk to people, then why in the world would I trust you to write policy and law that I would support that's actually good?
02:48
>And let's be honest, most of us feel like the country is literally on fire and burning around our feet. And where are the firemen? We can't find them since you canceled them for saying something that offended you. Do I even need to tell you what to do with that autopsy report? Or would that be too offensive too? Thanks!
tl;dr the democratic politicians are focused on blaming everyone else but trump, and never themselves. their content creators aren't unable to echochambering their narrative because they don't have one. and trump is effective because everyone follows him like a herd.
>>2819192wait until ultras hear that foreign policy is also a factor to weigh in.
>>2819637uhm actually the workers have no nation ☝️🤓
>>2819639nah, ultras be like:
>China exports to Israelalways ignoring that's private to private given that China since 2023 placed in Israel a high-risk (red category) zone and placed a formal ban on new Chinese investments and capital injections.
and China is more likely waiting for the ICJ to rule something, because China likes to abide to international laws.
>>2818961>HerrenvolkI could have sworn that was an israeli leather handbag brand. they had like herringbone inlay or some shit.
>>2818994nta; but zizek has become dugin for nato-diet-leftist.
>>2819646I've never interpreted him as a NATO defender. People mostly say that due to his critique of campism and some provocative thinkpieces. Not to dismiss that critique entirely, because if you look at his history there is some of that there, but the video anon linked doesn't contain that.
>>2819641>>2819637>>2819192China loves Israel and Israel loves China.
Sorry this hurts your feelings.
>>2819643You mean Herrington
>>2819641Poor Chynah, they're the real victims from Israel and ultraism with western characteristics uwu
>>2819751No electric Kaya?
the right wing retards raiding lpol are slowly becoming more obvious as the days come by.
>>2819644>no I don't support galindoThe only different between her and Platner is that Galindo hates zionism and hasn't killed children.
When will China push the socialist button?
>>2819779By 2050, they made it pretty clear!
>>2819779Never they love israel's money and stolen palestinian homes
>>2819206all i remember is this video's thumbnail.
i wouldn't be surprised if they were a /get/fag if there was zooshit in the vid.
>>2819206I don't know what either of these two are talking about but banning "lolicon" always comes with banning all kink stuff I actually wanna watch in porn and that justification of only caring about LE HECKIN CHILDREN has been used to ban media that has nothing to do with fetishes
>>2819804BE annihilated by that first tweet
>>2819577>this woman needs to be locked in a mental asylum because her fetishes offend meLol, go eat a bullet
>>2819806Not really all of an own if you're a westerner from an even more privileged country
>>2819819You're only speaking in meme talk and meme images, so perhaps don't throw stones from your glass house.
>>2819817Nothing inherently wrong with being a westerner but a lot wrong with being a western third worldist edgelord
>>2819822How is that a meme image? It’s literally an unedited page from Watchmen
>>2819822Opinion Discarded
>>2819824Okay you're only talking in meme speak and children's comics that are being used as memes like a functional adult lol
>>2819827Le opinion discarded
>>2819828Watchmen is the great American novel on the level of The Great Gatsby or Hucklebery Finn, it just happens to be in the comic book form
>>2819823You're using identity politics to make an argument, so expect to be confronted with identity politics when you're an Amerikkkan talking shit
>>2819831It's a children's comicbook
>>2819830>no meme speak>uses lele le
>>2819833How is that idpol? It's not idpol to say that being a black white nationalist is more pathetic than being a white one
>>2819834watchman is my fav children's comics
would give to all kids
>>2819831Comics are glorified kiddie cartoons and superheroes by definition are inseparable from fascist power fantasies. Especially in the case of Watchmen where the message is “genocide is good if it’s for world peace”, which is essentially NATO’s doctrine
>>2819835>Le no meme speak>Le uses lele le le
>>2819840That scene is so dumb. Moore is trying to make a point about how Dr Manhattan doesn't care about human life I guess but it's clear that he is upset by what is happening so why doesn't he stop the bullet other than that he's holding the idiot ball in order for the comedian to drop an epic diss on him?
>>2819840>It's not a children's book it has violence I'm a big boy!!!Lol
>>2819842Ozymandias is not a hero, there are no heros in that world, if you can’t read between the lines in Watchmen you’d blow your brains out reading Tolstoy
>>2819644>no I don't support galindo, i think she's a crank.She's a batty cat lady yes
>but no democrat should have never come out with a condemnation against galindo until they can get censors against randi fine.That's dumb because they need a majority in the House to do that, which they don't, while the primary is next week. The Democrats will probably lose that district anyways though to a Latinx military chud because of Republican redistricting.
>>2819848It’s not that Manhattan doesn’t care, it’s that he has no way to relate to other humans because he doesn’t see time linearly
>>2819777yeah but for hasan fans (zionists) someone saying there are jews in hollywood equals being some kind of nazi domestic terrorist and its way worse than anything platner has done and could ever do so hasan is forced to denounce her if he doesnt want to lose his audience
>>2819857That seems like bullshit though because why he is he trying to tell the comedian not to shoot her then? If he already knows what happens then why does he even bother. If you are gonna say "he has no choice because it's predetermined" then ok, why did he initially perform such a dumb action in the first place to let it get time looped or whatever.
>>2819861>I AM A BIG BIG BOY READING BUIG BOY CHILDREN'S COMIC BOOKS TAKE ME SERIOUSLY NOWlol
>>2819865Alan Moore has been the darling of “serious” literary circles since the 80s
>>2819867Bro he's obviously trolling you
>>2819850“Moral ambiguity” is cheap bullshit meant to plug reactionary anti-communist views but make them seem cool and rebellious. To the average American goycattle the “nuance” will completely miss them, as is intended
Also comparing a master of the literary world like Tolstoy to a Zionist hack like Alan Moore is like pretending gold and shit have the same value
>>2819869I’d love to see you cringe and wince reading Huck Finn
>>2819873I don’t read westoid slop so I wouldn’t have an opinion anyway
>>2819871>Posts some shit What a big boy you are
>>2819871Is this thing worth reading or just a shock meme?
>>2819877Stalin’s favorite book was A Christmas Carole, just letting you know
>>2819882They're too stupid to realise he's on their side
>>2819882Damn. Nazis also love water! We all need to drink bleach instead
>>2819885Yeah but before that is it decent I guess, I've enjoyed porn where people die before (tho I prefer when that doesn't happen ofc)
>>2819854>That's dumb because they need a majority in the House to do thatit's obvious he's talking about rallying for it, as proposed policy once they get the chance, a commitment, etc.
>>2819884Okay and? Even great men can have shit taste. It would certainly explain why he was suicidally forgiving of internal enemies though
>>2819891You're a pedophile?!
>>2819892What’s your favorite novel?
>>2819892And by the way Russian literature is western and Russia is a western country
>>2819896I don’t usually indulge in fiction but if I had to choose a favorite fictional book it would be How the Steel was Tempered
>>2819897That must be why their fellow western nations are so committed to the idea of genociding Russians along with Han Chinese who are also westerners by your logic
>>2819902Are Irish not western because they were targets of genocide?
>>2819903No Irish are westoids, they participated in the slave trade even after being its first victims because they simply saw the untermensch as animals
>>2819905Are Tutsis westerners? Are Hutus?
>>2819899>Makes you a pedophile to call my chidren'd comic a children's comic here is some of my pornI don't get your logic. Did reading porn 24/7 give you that revelation?
>>2819900Maybe you're retarded. Ever thought of that?
>>2819916>This children's comic is a children's comic<Nu Uh here is some porn I jerk off toLol, what
>>2819882>so apparently nazis are also on the crusade against Platner.His haters include a weird mix that runs from Bad Empanada-type leftists and Zionists and militant/extreme NAFO centrist types yeah. I've seen some Arab leftists getting blackpilled that he's a representative of the American left though considering his military background which is more understandable.
>>2819918yeah and i'm sure pigs can ascend to heaven also
>>2819935There are these leftychud types who shill child-murdering shitlibs and call everyone else crazy, only to hide behind us "blackpilled" arabs at the very end. You know. People like you.
>>2818360>As if BE isn't? The dude is a self-loathing whitoid who goes around taking up whatever cause is willing to rape him the hardest.He has a noble heart.
>>2819954would you rather have someone shit in your mouth, or have someone give you a piece of chocolate instead?
>>2819913but seriously, that made no fucking sense.
>>2819918>the right look calm whenthey get enraged, thou.
>>2819971what kills me about that cult is how in response to criticism of graham platner they will yell "YOU DON'T ALLOW REDEMPTION. YOU DON'T LET PEOPLE CHANGE." in defense of a guy who has
never expressed recognition much less regret for the crimes he committed. which is, you know, the first step towards redemption and change. but then even if he did do that, he would not be the best choice for a candidate in a senate race. AND, also, in addition to that, the forgiveness is not ours to give, right? every veteran war criminal such as himself oughta do charitable work in the middle east that materially helps the communities he helped destroy and it is up to them whether or not he is forgiven. of course, this in absence of a justice system willing to prosecute war criminals like him, which all USA active military and veterans are.
>>2819983no one in the us really cares about your grief circus, so no that'd be a terrible idea to be a senator, in fucking maine
>>2819989>>2819989>but building a politics around atonement and charity really doesn't have anything to do with socialism eitheragreed. i didn't say it did. however i'm pointing that that community is pushing that aspect nonetheless. you see? why are they putting themselves in that position? unforced error.
>>2819995>your grief circusyou are misreading my post! don't read in emotions and intentions that aren't there, friend. be sure to parse the proper context of the conversation. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
>>2819989Platner is even worse than a veteran, he is (may Allah forgive me for uttering this word) a Democrat. Fr, listen to the state of the discourse around this guy.
>He hasn't apologized! >He hasn't redeemed himself!>He hasn't repented!Idealist drivel, mfs sound like a bunch of judgemental housewives at a church bake sale. A politician should be assessed solely and exclusively based on their usefulness to the working class movement. You could say about Platner that his attitude is possibly an indicator that he still harbours imperialist sentiments. That's not an unreasonable assessment, but it's a separate issue from abstract moral questions of repentance and redemption. Frankly however, the fact that he's running as a Democrat his a far stronger indicator of this, and it should immediately disqualify him from receiving socialist support. If you're trying to determine whether to support a former soldier for office or accept them into your party, then you should he considering whether their commitment to the cause is sincere, and whether they bring something useful to the table. You shouldn't be basing your decision on whether or not you think they've sufficiently repented. If anything, redemption and repentance can only really happen
after a former reactionary agent has been allowed to put themselves at the disposal of socialism to prove their commitmemt and worth. When the Soviets put deserters into punishment battalions, the point was for them to redeem themselves through heroic action at the front. They didn't demand they somehow redeem themselves first, and only then allow them to return to the war. In Platner's case though, he immediately fails the test due to his current, existing political affiliations. The military stuff is just icing on a rotten liberal cake.
>>2819989>I think Platner at best has more in common with Bernie and AOCtrvke, he is AT BEST a lib zionist just like those other two and the army of influencers that try to portray them as something else are the same
>>2820002>you are misreading my post! don't read in emotions and intentions that aren't there, friend. be sure to parse the proper context of the conversation. 👍👍👍👍👍👍well it's an absurd thing to ask either way, if you ask me
Misogyny is cringe. Imagine thinking women are so important that you waste time and energy hating them.
>>2820048Women are just people and hell is other people
The fact that the anti-Platner hasbara spammers are shilling Galindo makes it even more obvious that she's a plant. Not just by the GOP (already proven, getting GOP superPAC support) but likely IDF as well.
>>2820076>she cares about american uniparty affiliationngmi
>>2820076>anti-Platner hasbara I refuse to believe an actual human wrote this, you must be a blue maga LLM, if an actual human wrote this it means we as a species have been 100% cattlefied and there is no hope left
>>2819960Well, you're shitting out of your mouth
>>2819206>receiving pleasure from executing civilians and engaging in extreme hyperviolence in GTA<I see no problem in this, it's obviously fantasy.>receiving pleasure from lolicon<Completely reprehensible. This is tantamount to real child abuse.None of you were around for Jack Thompson and it shows.
>>2820215can't you goon to drawings of children without spazzing out and trying to normalize this shit? i don't give a fuck about your fetishes and perversions as long as you don't shove that shit into my face. yet, here we are, and you deranged pervert are trying to tell me your appalling fetish is the same as a satiric video game
Remember that Simpsons episode where Marge wants to censor Itchy & Scratchy
>>2820076If you vote Dem at all don't bother calling yourself a leftist
>>2820230If you vote at all you’re legitimizing and reinforcing the system
>>2820048soft dainty hands typed this post
>>2820240dropping trvkes on joe's bald ass
>>2820240the yakubian is unable to comprehend this level of woke
>>2820240It makes perfect economic sense to import slaves when the Indigenous population can't really be enslaved for a number of reasons. The main one being that America was their homeland and they could easily escape and return to their own communities, or at least among culturally similar people in an environment they were familiar with and capable of surviving in. Africans by contrast had no connection to non-European peoples in America, no knowledge of their language or culture, and no experience surviving on that continent. They were far more dependent and easier to control when transplanted from their homes. This is also why the Assyrians and Babylonians practiced mass deportations, why the Romans stationed auxiliaries far from their homelands, etc. I also wonder what this guy thinks about still living Indigenous people. Like, where does he think they came from? What about all the archeological evidence of human habitation of the Americas going back tens of thousands of years before he says Africans arrived?
>>2819989do burgermunchers really give a fuck about veterans? there sure a lot of them smacked and cracked out on the streets.
>>2820240>history is his storyand his ass is dumbass.
gee, no wonder why joe rogan it's now only watched by boom booms.
>>2820284pretty sure it's an edit.
>>2819884>Stalin’s favorite book was A Christmas CaroleSource?
>>2820218Hey retard, the point is that violence is normalized and viewed as perfectly acceptable, even though the exact same arguments against lolicon can be (and have been) used against it. The only difference is that it offends western puritan moralfaggot sensibilities.
Gunning down brown kids for DECADES as a machine gunner and rejoining the military 5 times to do this then becoming a contractor doing it while saying how you love war and killing browns is less bad to libs than saying some mean stuff about Zionist
Hopeless
>>2820240>LISTEN UP WHITEY WHAT ABOUT MY STORYIt's just jewish propaganda to cover up their involvement in the slave trade. They are worried about a cross-racial antagonism because of the wars and the election rigging.
>>2820292No "moral-less" pedo, the argument is that it normalizes sexual objectification of children and the most wretched paraphilia disorder to exist.
>>2820215>>receiving pleasure from executing civilians and engaging in extreme hyper-violence in GTAHyper-violence in pop-culture brought by the bourgeois is part of the conditioning of people to become desensitized to violence. This however is actually good, unlike your pedoness it will only backfire since the bourgeois hope to condition people to be ready for their own warmongering, when in turn, it also conditions them for the violence to be had in the war for emancipation - the class war.
>>2820342Yes, and that argument is just as valid as saying violent videogames normalizes violence in society. Keep up, moralfaggot.
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