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CORE THEORY >The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord📖 •
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ
<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin📖 •
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq9sCIyXgA
>The Culture Industry from Dialectic of Enlightenment (1944) by Theodore Adorno & Max Horkheimer📓 •
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1944/culture-industry.htm📖 •
https://libcom.org/article/dialectic-enlightenment-philosophical-fragments-theodor-adorno-and-marx-horkheimer📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hSLdd8R8mY
<Understanding Media (1964) by Marshall McLuhan📖 •
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1782045945238-0.pdf📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ML9n5f1fE
>One-Dimensional Man (1964) by Herbert Marcuse📖 •
https://libcom.org/article/one-dimensional-man-studies-ideology-advanced-industrial-society-herbert-marcuse📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCoLbEkAqs
<Discipline and Punish (1975) by Michel Foucault📖 •
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michel-foucault-discipline-and-punishment📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s82uU4iRuko
>Simulacra and Simulation (1981) by Jean Baudrillard 📖 •
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1782045945238-1.pdf📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yxg2_6_YLs
<Manufacturing Consent (1988) by Edward S. Herman & Noam Chomsky📖 •
https://libcom.org/article/manufacturing-consent-political-economy-mass-media-noam-chomsky-and-edward-s-herman📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M
>The Sublime Object of Ideology (1989) by Slavoj Zizek📖 •
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1782045945238-2.pdf📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIckkHsUQ4
<Postscript on the Societies of Control (1990) by Gilles Deleuze 📖 •
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gilles-deleuze-postscript-on-the-societies-of-control📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4Cq_-bLlY
>Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism (1991) by Fredric Jameson📖 •
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1782045945238-3.pdf📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4k26xGx1zI
<Spectres of Marx (1993) by Jacques Derrida📖 •
https://libcom.org/library/specters-marx-jacques-derrida📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJr0NwXWb6Q
>Capitalist Realism (2009) by Mark Fisher📖 •
https://libcom.org/article/capitalist-realism-mark-fisher📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cb5XJH4NMI—————————————————–
SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL
>Precursor Material to Post-modernity and Critical Theory📖 •
Karl Marx - Book 1, Chapter 4 of
Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (1844)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm📺 •
Why Marx Was Right: Alienation - PlasticPills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPRxxN4Kh30📖 •
Georg Lukács - Chapter 4 of
History and Class Consciousness (1923)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/hcc05.htm📺 •
Marxism After Marx: Reification - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZiI-QKxBKI 📖 •
Antonio Gramsci - Book 1, Chapter 1 of
Selections from the Prison Notebooks (1929)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci/prison_notebooks/problems/intellectuals.htm📺 •
Hegemony: WTF? An introduction to Gramsci and cultural hegemony - Tom Nicholas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LI_2-qsovo📖 •
Louis Althusser -
Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses (1970)
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm📺 •
Althusser's Concept of Ideology: A Discussion with Anthony Gavin - Acid Horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtOqXxkKwvw
<Documentaries•
The Society of the Spectacle (1974) by Guy Debord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjF6I6SYjgA•
Manufacturing Consent (1992) by Mark Achbar & Peter Wintonick, with Noam Chomsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2m3rvsO0I•
The Pervert's Guide to Cinema (2006) and
The Pervert's Guide to Ideology (2012) by Sophie Fiennes, with Slavoj Zizek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYuI4SFw4g0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBcFLmu_tlc•
HyperNormalisation (2016) by Adam Curtis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bv3Tr3jvZM&rco
>Easy-Bake Breadtube (for absolute beginners)•
We're All Fake Now - Wisecrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTW1mPOJJ_Y•
Are Cell Phones Replacing Reality? - PBS Idea Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AXIAM7dTTg•
The Cultural Significance of Cyberpunk - Cuck Philosophy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvor7hhDKTs•
Introduction to Critical Theory for the 21st Century - Nathan Dufour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7stVZPGxIw•
The Work of Art in the Age of Surveillance Capitalism - Brendan Morris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNKiBJJFXZI
<Situationist Archives•
https://situationist.org/•
https://notbored.org/SI.html•
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RECOMMENDED OP-EDS•
I Don’t Want to Be an Internet Person by Ginevra Davis
https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/11/04/i-do-not-want-to-be-an-internet-person/•
Pluralistic: Tiktok's enshittification by Cory Doctorow
https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys•
Facebook's Threads is so depressing by Jason O. Gilbert
https://jogblog.substack.com/p/facebooks-threads-is-so-depressing>>2907948You're missing the point. Go to /siberia/.
>>2907967The point is thar you're butthurt about nothing.
Lurk and seethe, or don't.
>>2908035>No matter how much some GW writers and leftist fans retroactively claim that the Imperium is meant to be the bad guyshardly retroactive, that was the original intent AFAIK, it's just that the original satire got lost over the years as GW realised people prefer retarded 'humans vs orcs' slop
>>2908039>as GW realised people prefer retarded 'humans vs orcs' slopIt's not even that, don't be idealist. It's just market forces. When you become a big multi-media international brand decisions get made and the satire gets lost in the pursuit of profit.
The thing about board games is that it doesn't really matter. When i play warhams tabletop game or the rpg books we still play it as campy and so on, because tabletop allows for that.
>>2908043How is this person still a thing? How long can you grift off losing an irrelevant swimming contest?
>>2908046She's at the intersection of both MAGA culture wars and the anti-trans movement, both of which have the backing of multiple billionaires on their own. I think some article came out a few months back that revealed Riley Gains gets paid something around 100k every time she does a speaking tour. The grift of transphobia is extremely lucrative
>>2908043I don't who these people are
>>2908035>No matter how much some GW writers and leftist fans retroactively claim that the Imperium is meant to be the bad guys,Uh that was the original intent, the Imperium are the bad guys and their universe is a terrible shithole. It's like American's in general can't understand satire because the majority of them have a sixth-grader understanding of media.
>>2907842at least these social parasites have taken to call us bees instead of cattle sheeple. Beekeeping instead of castrating the gyoim.
>>2908124They sold out pretty much immediately
>>2908110I see shit like this constantly the FLN were Marxists I stg we are going to get "Why I support the MPLA but oppose communism".
>>2908199Omg it's the Sunday friend
>>2908199Nah bro no one can see this
>>2908035All culture belongs to chuds. it was made by chuds for chuds. Th left has black and white European movies about gay mimes or heroic revolutionary war movies where the country is now another node in the capitalist world order.
>>2908035>So, I actually think the chuds do have a valid claim to 40K. No matter how much some GW writers and leftist fans retroactively claim that the Imperium is meant to be the bad guys, that doesn't erase the fact that the setting is fundamentally a war setting. Around 98% of the focus is on the demigod super-soldiers.>That said seeing chuds claiming that Space King is retarded and it's a good example of how incoherent the online anti-woke sphere can be. Tom and Dan aren't tradcath nationalists. They probably wouldn't openly express any particular political views and would likely say that caring too much about politics is lame and gay. But based on their cartoons and podcast episodes, it's pretty obvious that they're some variety of libertarians who believe in essentially unlimited personal freedom, weed, porn, edgy jokes(including jokes mocking Christianity)Nothing will ever make you happy.
>>2908238>Good.Is that quote about an incel forum?
>>2908240NTA but being happy isn't something to strive for. People don't climb mountains or swim across the English channel to be happy. Selfish narrow minded people are "happy." Happiness is temporary anyway.
>>2908237Chuds don't have culture, they just take it from already existing culture and claim it as their own.
>>2908035The problem with 40k really boils down to how it portrays its fascists. It insists that the Imperium are evil bad guys, but then goes out of its way to justify each and every one of their actions as a necessary measure against the many forces threatening to destroy humanity. It makes it come across less like a pointless "eternity of carnage and bloodshed" under "the cruelest, most bloody regime imaginable" and more like a series of galactic D-Days and Stalingrads. Sure, you may lose millions of men to take or hold a single inch of ground, but these are noble sacrifices made to hold back the dark forces of oblivion threatening to swallow humanity (and often all life in general!).
And this really kind of undermines the setting as it wants to present itself. They want to say that this is the most GRIMDARK setting of all time, but I would argue that the average real world war is far more "grimdark" even on the conceptual level. The men who died in World War 1, for instance, died in their millions for absolutely no reason. They didn't die defending their families or their countries or for their religion or for freedom or for democracy or anything else. They just died. And the reason for their deaths was that hungering war machines that had been built up in the century prior (and the pride of their officers) demanded it. At most, it might determine some bullshit like if Britain got to keep Gibraltar. It's a far more "grimdark" situation than anything in 40k.
You could contrast it with how the fascists are treated in Starcraft 1. There has never been some big audience of people fantasizing about being in the penal legions of the Terran Confederacy, Terran Dominion, or UED because it is made abundantly clear that you aren't fighting and dying for some noble cause, but simply to fulfill the personal political ambitions of assholes at the top. And this is how fascism SHOULD be portrayed, but I think it gets undermined by the liberal creators thinking that people proudly believing in things is scary. So, to a liberal, a man being a blind fanatic is always scary and evil and don't understand that some people might think that being a blind fanatic in the cause of saving humanity against death, oppression or total oblivion is actually kind of awesome.
>>2908242>NTA but being happy isn't something to strive for. People don't climb mountains or swim across the English channel to be happy. Selfish narrow minded people are "happy." Happiness is temporary anyway.Both the far right and far left have this in common. Can't they just take it all out in UT3 and leave politics to happy people?
>>2908111>>2908039>>2908240The original Warhammer is about thug space super-soldiers fighting other equally evil thug super-soldiers. It also blatantly mash up of various science-fiction and fantasy influences that the writers liked. Starship Troopers, Terminator, Dune, Moorcock, Judge Dredd and 2000 AD. The “satire” of Warhammer mostly comes from things it copied from the Dredd series, such as its over the top megacities and exaggerated dystopian society. While that over the top comedic aspect has been lost, I don’t see Warhammer itself as satire. It’s just a setting for a war game. an excuse to be ultra-violent.
>>2908262But I don't see the Imperium as Fascist, because they aren't, unless you use Umberto Eco's definition. It's basically a space-feudal empire.
>>2908288Ah great, loved that vid from DreadAnon and the craziness of first edition 40k.
>>2908322Nolan is a conservatoid hack and always has been, rewatch his Batman movies if you don’t believe me
>>2908325I know. I hated those when they came out. Only Nolan movies I've ever enjoyed were the The Prestige and Memento. Yeah he sucked the soul out of Batman, dry ass boring films. So I wasn't even expecting much at all from the Odyssey but it somehow managed to be worse than I could imagine. I guess in some meta way, it had me very invested in his odyssey because I just wanted that fucker to get home so I could fucking go home already lol.
>>2908330Even as an 8 year old I saw the whole mass surveillance angle in The Dark Knight and said “they would never turn that off”
>>2908322>Just saw the Odyssey and that was maybe the worst movie I've seen in my life.Is it for the same reasons as the guys on X and the memes say it was bad?
>>2908242>Selfish narrow minded people are "happy." Happiness is temporary anyway.Somehow I feel like the goal of politics isn't a better world but just more politics for politicians. Kind of how communist revolutions keep getting taken over by the wrong kinds of people.
>>2908340>Is it for the same reasons as the guys on X and the memes say it was bad?No, if anything it inclined me to root for it. Don't care about the race swapping, or not being faithful to the original. It was just fucking terrible.
>>2908345>It was just fucking terrible.I was actually considering watching it despite the memes, just to see whether it's good on it's own.
>Don't care about the race swapping, or not being faithful to the original.I care because they're pulling the classics into the culture war and I don't really want to get involved. It's not even a right-left debate anymore, it's a mindless free-for-all.
>>2908358In the original, Helen is supposed to be a beauty unlike anything found in the Mediterranean at the time, her being black or chinese or something would make sense.
>>2908361what if she was black AND chinese?
>>2908361>>2908365>>2908358Helen of Troy is like in the movie for less than 5 minutes and there is no discernible reason she's even in the film, not connected to the story at all. Elliot Page's character is also barely in the film at all.
>>2908365Imagine being the first guy to ever see a qt blasian
>>2907893the black pill is real
>>2907893NEVER GIVE UP SMOOTHSKIN
>>2907535>trump, netanyuhuu, putin chigga retarded
>>2908262isn't part of the reason for the Imperium's retardation that the Emperor is also kind of retarded?
>>2908361>In the original, Helen is supposed to be a beauty unlike anything found in the Mediterranean at the time, her being black or chinese or something would make sense.All women are hot but I'm into Asian women, they're the human species' pride but I would rather stick to the original for classics unless it's a themed rendition like urban Shakespeare or something. It just feels like they're throwing something polarizing into the air. Ragebait movies are something I would expect out of X and /pol/.
>>2908365>what if she was black AND chinese?Search Honey Gold, you'll love her.
>>2908373>the black pill is realWhy doesn't the left give people the tools they need to work? Everyone wants to be productive and everyone wants to be appealing, so what's all the conflict about? It's so over.
>>2908340Zoomers and younger millennials just snarl at genre realism for shallow contrarian reasons in the same way that Gen X’ers and older millennials snarled at camp in the 2000s. There’s nothing inherently wrong with either, people just wanna virtue signal over their tastes
>>2908373>the black pill is realJust roll the credits on men
>>>/siberia/820736 >>2908365Save your bits for the podcast, Nick.
>>2908035>So, I actually think the chuds do have a valid claim to 40K. No matter how much some GW writers and leftist fans retroactively claim that the Imperium is meant to be the bad guys, that doesn't erase the fact that the setting is fundamentally a war setting. Around 98% of the focus is on the demigod super-soldiers.So? It being a war setting with demigod super soldiers doesn't mean that chuds "have a valid claim" to it. The setting and themes of a particular nerd franchise don't mean that it has any inherent political leaning. Except if it was purposefully constructed to be that way and to say something. 40K to me just seems like crazy edgy spacewarfare taken to it's logical conclusion. Trying to give it some inherent political meaning to me seems like it's always going to be some kind of dumb projection. As in, you could spin it either way if you throw enough youtube essay buzzword slop at it
>>2907771>>2907773>>2907842Ey do you only post about these guys or smt? Pretty sure the only time I see your flag it's to complain about them whenever somebody else posts about their dumb party and like every post them mentions them too. It's a bit of a weird obsession
>>2908514Nolan nailed the grimy Gotham aesthetics in Begins but in TDK and TDKR, the city is literally just fucking Chicago with a blue tint.
I could pass the creative laziness but the last two films are pretty much just pro- War on Terror and anti-Occupy Wall Street KKKopaganda. Deeply conservatard trilogy of movies only saved by a couple cool action scenes and Heath Ledger's acting.
>>2908586More like grimderp
>>2908507X-Men started all that gritty realism shit and did it many times better IMO. My main gripe with the films beyond being boring and pretentious is that Bruce Wayne was completely unlikeable to me and I think Christian Bale is an amazing actor. I think if there is anything Nolan can do, writing and directing actors is definitely not one of them. Don't know why you're trying to make some genpol argument.
>>2908514I have some of the Frank Miller Batman comics. To me the definitive Batman outside of comics was the 90s TV show. Nolan had no style at all.
>>2908566> TDK and TDKR, the city is literally just fucking Chicago with a blue tint. Yes.
>I could pass the creative laziness but the last two films are pretty much just pro- War on Terror and anti-Occupy Wall Street KKKopaganda. Deeply conservatard trilogy of movies only saved by a couple cool action scenes and Heath Ledger's acting.Even Heath Ledger's joker is kinda lame because he just gives him the ability to magically get every step right in a 100 point plan that relies on a dozen coincidences.
>>2908619>fitness is a measure of relative disposability>Our task isn't to become less disposable, to become more useful to the ruling order>What we need to be doing is rejecting "disposability" in all it's formsI hate academia-slop so much dude. These people are insufferable
Ayn Rand is probably the most obvious example of a trans man historical figure I’ve ever seen.
Adopted an androgynous appearance, openly admired men and wrote nearly exclusively about male characters. Maybe if HRT existed back then we wouldn’t have gotten these shitty books.
>>2908639>penly admired men and wrote nearly exclusively about male characters. Is that really that unusual? By that logic, JK Rowling is also a transman lol.
>>2908618>>2908566I disagree about TDK’s style. TDK is basically a love letter to classic Hollywood neo-noir like Heat. Watching it in good quality, it’s a gorgeously shot movie.
>>2908642More and more people are saying this
>>2908642It’s different though. J. K. Rowling could write female characters, women pretty much only appear as coadjuvants on Ayn Rand’s books.
Her whole philosophy is very masculine too embracing individualism, entrepreneurship, strength, etc.
>>2908322It hought it was loud too.
So as we know the Odyssey is epic slop. It's old its before authors knew how to write characters and conflict. So its perfect for Nolan. The man cant write dialog for shit so this was perfect for him.
>>2908658Nolan discourse is annoying because he’s one of those creators where his work has become a lightning rod of bad nerd takes that are never about the movies themselves, but just amount to nerds constantly acting persecuted over petty gripes
>im mad about black people in movies, therefore white genocide>im mad that comic book movies aren’t constantly what I like all the time>im mad that desaturated cinematography exists, so I will pretend everything looks like this >im mad that sometimes genre fiction is realist, so I will pretend that’s all there isThe actual movies whether they’re good or bad are never actually talked about, and I’d rather listen to an honest evaluation of the movie instead of listening to hipster complaints. The man has become to Hollywood discourse what Gooseworx has become to the conversation around indie animation
>>2908692A lot of those things you just mentioned are about the movies themselves. Also there is nothing "realist" about his takes. Speaking of, that was another weird feature of his bastardization of the Odyssey, how he tried to remove the Gods from the story, and then at the end we learn the only god we saw: Athena, was just a figment of his imagination and the guilt he felt for some girl that murdered in the sack of Troy. But then at the same time he has actual magic everywhere, so what was the purpose of removing the gods to make it more "realistic?"
>>2908692The worst thing about the film was that it in no way portrayed bronze age mediterranean. It was just the same sad old christian nonsense wearing the skin of ancients.
>>2908619>Death panel indeed.>>2908619>I hate academia-slop so much dude. These people are insufferableIt's called misandry. You're emotionally blind to it.
>>2908694Except no, they’re kind of not. What it really amounts to is nerds being mad that things and trends that aren’t their taste exist, so they latch onto specific examples and get disproportionately mad about it instead of critically engaging these things on their own merits
>realismThe word has been so abused in the discourse that everybody forgets that realism in movies is inherently relative, and Nolan’s work is a pretty good example of that. The Odyssey is pointedly presenting an alternate fantastical version of Greece and deliberately using surface level realism to play it for horror and tension.
>>2908703I think you're projecting your own emotional attachment to Nolan's work.
Leftism is trооnism. If you are leftist you are a trооn.
>>2908707I find his actual work pretty hit and miss. My issue is that the discourse that I come across surrounding the man’s work really exemplifies a bigger problem with how the internet talks about art: nobody’s actually really interested in art for its own merits or lack thereof. It really feels like media literacy is just cratering these days, and the broader fandomization of culture has played a huge role - you’re no longer allowed to simply enjoy or not enjoy something. A person’s taste in media in a lot of spaces is basically a form of virtue or vice signaling.
>>2908741 (me)
Like another good example of this while we’re talking Hollywood releases is when the new Superman came out. The movie itself is fine. It’s perfectly acceptable. I probably won’t watch it again anytime soon, but it was a fun way to spend two hours. But the actual discourse that came my way basically didn’t talk about the movie at all, it was fans of different interpretations of the character making it into an extension of the culture war so they could basically just be mad that types of comic book movies they don’t like exist.
As a card-carrying insufferable filmbro it grinds my gears
>>2908757>nerd who couldn't fit into traditional masculinity was actually a trans woman all alongShocker!
>>2908759If you cut out the transphobic nonsense from Blanchard's theory and just reduce it to "effeminate gay men vs. nerds" it actually makes a lot of sense
I want a community only for HSTS trans women to talk about fashion and pop music
I respect AGP trans women but they are destroying our spaces with their cringe anime and videogame bullshit
>I want a community only for HSTS trans women to talk about fashion and pop music
It's called /r/fauxmoi if you don't mind sharing a space with cis women
There's also /r/rs_x which is /r/redscarepod but with less chuds and more girls and gays
>>2908775>gleglesyeah im not a fan of those either, they are low energy
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>>2908741>the broader fandomization of culture has played a huge role - you’re no longer allowed to simply enjoy or not enjoy something.This is why through an act of the Nietzschean will to power you can decide "I like it" has the same meaning as "this rocks" and "I don't like it" with "this sucks."
>>2908782Eh, I’m honestly kinda burnt on that kinda thing. Nobody’s taste makes them the main character
If you are posting on Leftypol you aren't HSTS bitch. HSTS are vapid airheads and only know Instagram and TikTok
>>2908775Is this connected to the streamer destiny?
> the mods tried to force on this place like the gleglesCome on, i've seen these posted here like 1 or 2 times, surprised they even have name.
>>2908788When they banned Pepes and Soyjaks it was in conjunction with some campaign to replace them with GleGles as some kind of reclamation of meme culture from the Chuds or something. I'm not surprised you're not aware of it because it went absolutely no where. I think they forgot that the number one aspect of memes is that they're supposed to be funny which the glegle thing is not. I only know the name of that thing because of their campaign to promote the meme. Never see anyone post one. I mean shit, if you want just a cutesy wholesome little reaction face, we already had those slice of life anime girl reaction images.
>>2908757what convinces someone to transition from fat guy to uggo?
>>2908787They're also all neolib/succdem while AGP tend to more radical ideologies (usually far-left like anarchism or Maxism-Leninism but sometimes far-right like neo-Nazism)
if you use glegle you are menshevik
Glegle and boymoder are progressive anti-nihilistic memes
>>2908698>misandryYou are retarded
>>2908790It seems attempts to frustrate loosh harvesting are futile kek.
Jaks and pepes elicit primal feelings while glegle just looks inorganic.
And who are you trying to appeal to? Chuds? They love ragebaiting so of course it won't work on them.
>>2906420>>2906651I'm looking forward to the eventual clash between this rising organic 'normie left' and the hodgepodge of microsect book clubs and TWist weirdos.
>>2906420>>2906651The "organic" left won't ever lead to anything but social-imperialism or fascism btw. Only those who haven't read theory, nor studied history, could think that leftism without theory can ever accomplish anything.
>>2906420>le ""organic"" left is when you are buddies with hunter biden and hollywood actorskek
>>2908868All things said she's almost certainly better read than like 90% of leftypol
>>2908757Mildred should really stick to making horror movie reviews. As a political commentator she seems kinda… I dunno, kind of a miserable lost causer?
>>2908757Chris Chan looking better now.
>>2908757Did transitioning save her?
>>2908963Feel like that more applies to Miyazaki and his generation.
>>2908965I meant more in that I think Kojima's work doesn't reallly touch WW2 at all.
https://www.asahi.com/ajw/articles/15525613> Hayao Miyazaki criticizes Japan wartime past in award speech >December 29, 2024 at 07:00 JSTI guess good on Miyazaki, this is pretty recent.
>>2908963Miyazaki shows Japan being a bitch and getting the consequences of war tho
>>2908972Which? The Wind Rises? I think it still is pretty sympathetic to Japan.
>Miyazaki also attracted political criticism from South Korean internet users, who argued that the Zero represents Japanese military aggression and that many planes were assembled by Korean forced labour.[63] Miyazaki told South Korean journalists that "[Horikoshi] was someone who resisted demands from the military…I wonder if he should be liable for anything just because he lived in that period."[63] In an interview with the Asahi Shimbun, Miyazaki said he had "very complex feelings" about World War II since, as a pacifist, he felt militarist Japan had acted out of "foolish arrogance". However, he also said that the Zero plane "represented one of the few things we Japanese could be proud of—[they] were a truly formidable presence, and so were the pilots who flew them".[63]https://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/aug/23/hayao-miyazaki-film-wind-rises<In an interview with the Asahi Shimbun, the 72-year-old said he had "very complex feelings" about the war, adding that militarist Japan had acted out of "foolish arrogance."
<But the Zero, he added, "represented one of the few things we Japanese could be proud of – they were a truly formidable presence, and so were the pilots who flew them".
<Miyazaki, a warplane enthusiast since childhood, insisted Horikoshi was beyond reproach.
<"Jiro Horikoshi was the most gifted man of his time in Japan," he said in a 2011 interview with Cut magazine. "He wasn't thinking about weapons – really all he desired was to make exquisite planes." >>2907535I don't care about the context, but Netanyahu in S and Xi in D is a mortal sin.
>>2908773rsx is a spider web for the creep head mood to groom chicks btw
>>2908886It honestly only applies to Adam, Stav was always open that he wanted to become a normalfag comedian. Idk what Theilian agent bargain the former has signed.
Nick's self sabotaging as usual and the chapos are in year X of total stagnation. Felix is making 5h episodes on dark souls in 2026 for crying out loud.
>>2908975If you wanna be a go woke go broke guy picking a fight with gta6 sounds suicidal
Hydrogen bomb vs coughing baby type of deal
>>2908991I mean it's not like Rockstar is gonna personally come to this guy's house, it's easy clicks
I'm tired of pop-culture slop.
>>2908994As opposed to high culture kino like Family Guy
>>2908992No I mean it has already sold one quadrillion copies, the go broke angle is lost.
I guess you can be the new bad, they don't make them like they used to vidya youtuber but rockstar had always been vocally socially progressive albeit in a snarky shitlib way.
>>2908995Nah, just all the music, TV, Vidya, whatever bullshit.
>>2909001The 90s is so Windows 95
>>2908975i agree fury cato people is based
>todd howard>cuckedsad.
sweet little lies origin story
>>2908928good 4 chris chad
>>2908977I think bro meant Grave of the Fireflies
>>2908619The meek will inherit the earth only works if you believe that God will give it you.
>>2908975Well it's either culture war bs like this or dooming about how the AAA industry is killing gaming with massive layoffs and anti-consumer practices.
>>2908963There was that one saga about Manchuria. But it's pretty rare for people to show the war crimes of their country in general unless they're celebrating them like Croats
>>2909024Say what you want about AmeriKKKa but no other country has made self-criticizing works against their crimes on the same tier as Blood Meridian, Apocalypse Now, Killers of the Flower Moon, etc.
>>2909025plenty of them have, you just have never watched/read them lol
>>2909026Only one I can think of right now is District 9 by South Africa, and that's mostly allegorical.
>>2909035
>Reverse search image
<Zero results
Homeboy literally shitposting to own the jannies 😭
>>2909031LEMMiNO already covered the important stuff regarding that case in a video tbh
>>2909043Most of the content I've seen about it on the internet is very superficial, what I'm doing is something more in-depth. I'm trying to solve the puzzles myself (I'm a CS student) for the real experience and I'm learning a lot.
I also plan to write a book about Terry A. Davis and TempleOS in the future.
>>2909044I like that getting kirked has become part of my online vocabulary
>>2909025"Self criticizing"
Uh huh
Self-absolving, more like
>>2909119
No this is obviously a right-wing slop AI video. The Obvious "Totally not Pepe" frog watermark sort of makes it obvious. The Only people why use twatter now are nazis and bots made by Wlon Muskrat.
>>2908879>interviewing somebody makes you best friends with them>>2908851>Only those who haven't read theory, nor studied history, could think that leftism without theory can ever accomplish anything.Not what I said. Rather this normie left represents an embryonic form of class consciousness with organically American characteristics. It's not a foreign import like Maoism or Marxism Leninism, but when tempered by theory and practice will produce something new and uniquely suited to American conditions. Only something so suited can be adequate to the tasks of American socialism.
>>2909119
Why are you reposting these and pretending anarchists are making them? FUck off.
>>2909225I blame the
ML-Wannabes Stalinist
>>2909158MAGA communists were right, the Republican is closer to maoism then the leftist.
>>2909211>interviewing somebodyits not just somebody is the son of the ex-president of the US, you dont get access to people like that while being "organic" (whatever it is that means)
>inb4 b-but hunter is not like the rest, he is like the black sheep of the family or something, thats why he hangs out with super organic influencers like andrew callaghan and nick fuentes on a motel room!all this comes after he said he regreted voting for a third party or something like that, I wonder which party he will "organically" support in a few years!
>>2909357Sorry i should have elaborated more:
Goes to see the Sankara Memorial Museum, new buses, road building program with volunteers, and the new stadium.
>>2909347>"organic" (whatever it is that means)What I mean is that he represents an emerging political trend that has emerged entirely from actual observations of and interactions with contemporary class struggle in America, rather than being imported based on foreign theory and experiences (e.g. Maoist LARPing or whatever).
>its not just somebody is the son of the ex-president of the US, you dont get access to people like that while being "organic"That's a really vague argument that makes a lot of assumptions. We're talking about a guy that crackheads and hookers have access to. His agreeing to an interview really isn't that surprising. When it comes to Andrew himself I'm much more interested in what he actually says than projecting based on who he interviews. His rhetoric has been moving steadily to the left for years, to the point where he's openly using terms like "oppressed proletariat."
>>2909351lmao,
cheers, anon!
>>2909409I would become a xiist if he actually delivered total dengoid extermination
>>2909443people gotta ditch this zizek method of making a retarded bombastic claim and then following it up with 15 paragraphs going "and that's a good thing and we need to do x instead of y to suppliment it" it was stupid then and its really stupid now when other people who aren't academics are interested in socialism
>>2909443Can’t wait for the Maupin livestream tonight when he will vaguely connect this woman to the Congress for Cultural Freedom, Hannah Arendt, and Susan Sontag. Oh, and Max Shachtman too , just because.
>>2909237They were never right, you're falling for conservative/fascist grifters pretending to be "communists".
>>2909434https://fxtwitter.com/rynorhn/status/2097223532438487463?s=20It allegedly solved it after stealing the work from the people actually working on it.
>>2909443So Mamdani is going to take PE classes out of NYC public schools now?
>>2909455>In October 2022, Verso Books published Health Communism by Adler-Bolton>Verso has published books by (…), Max Shachtman, It all returns to Shachtman.
>>2909493Marxism is just a scare word to them like socialism or communism. It's just a stand in for whatever they don't like.
>>2909473Yeah no thanks. I am tired of all this evil CO2 bullshit. Just stop deforestation.
>>2909493scratch a democrat and a communist bleeds
This may be the wrong board, but
WHERE THE HELL IS EVERYBODY?
Like this site doesn't get visitors or what?
Literally nothing happens on this site.
Man I wish we had the numbers of 4chan.
>>2909473thunderfoot is a smart guy. dunno what to say. not to suck him off too hard but it's glad to know that not everyone is a mouthbreathing moron, even if someone like thunderfoot might think me an idiot for not being involved in science or academia.
>>2909443Hey if Nazis wanna make it easier for us to liquidate them when the time comes they’re free to embrace as much dysgenic behavior as possible
>>2909455He is probably right tho
>>2909443it will take at least 20 years to reverse the damage she inflicted
>>2909518Who cares, they deleted the Savanna picrel. All of the serious threads that create actual conversation get saged or deleted. A few members of a certain clique just reeeeee the posters off of the site.
>>2909518I still like to make effort posts but I unironicaly do them on reddit now. It's just designed better and it allows me to archive stuff properly, and don't make the same post over and over again. This is also because you don't really get any interactions most of the time when you effortpost here. Stupid NAFO shit and all that gets a free pass because of some laissez-faire imageboard culture, but then mods ban you for no reason and are extremely petty. If the mods are the same who run the official /leftypol/ twitter account, I am not at all surprised.
Also, boards like /hobby/ which I used to frequent are broken and left for dead, we didn't even have a World Cup thread because admins are too lazy to fix it.
Politically, the user base has matured, less silly ideologies like Bordigism and Bookchinism which dominated old /ledtypol/. That is a good thing but it also incentivizes you to get organized because the latter are just internet ideologies and spend less time here.
However, we never degenerated like /pol/ which is now mostly populated by children and Indian bot farms.
I still visit daily though, but I am posting less because most of my intellectual labour I am providing for free now goes into my communist party.
>>2909588you havent gotten banned in 4 years lmao especially not from the people who run the xitter account
past ban reasons include being anti-vax and a haz schizo so color me shocked
I'm the dumbest poster around
>>2909598>anti-vax What does that mean? Being skeptical of mandates enforced by the capitalist-imperialist state? Are you serious uygha?
>pro-Haz What does that mean? You realize that some users weren't here when /leftypol/ had a personal fallout with the guy six years ago.
>>2909602opinions on non-mrna Cuban vaccines?
>>2909603I guess they are okay, haven't looked into it? I would still prefer China's Sinovac, which is a traditional vaccine that injects a dead virus, and not a MRNA-vaxx or a vector vaccine (which I think is the Cuban one).
However, when you got the China vax you were counted as "unvaxxed" in most Western countries, e.g. you were de facto an "anti-vax schizo".
At this fucking point you should have realized that health was never the fucking point.
>>2909606puddle of mud was post grunge, not nu metal
>>2909443I don't know anything about this person, nor do I understand whatever joke you're trying to make. however
>verso booksmeans that she writes radlib nonsense that no sensible person will ever read
>>2909443>>2909443I have a couple of comrades defending her in Canada, one, and another in the UK, so I'm not going to beat that dead horse. She has poor wording, hopefully it's better next time.
>Versobooks.Read 1, 2, 3, and 4
>>2909518We work :D
We have families :D
>>2909423Except this time Japan doesn't even dare messing with their neighbor, the Communist Revolution saved China.
>>2909667You do realize Japan is in the middle of rearming and possibly abolishing article 9 right?
>>2908497>All women are hot but I'm into Asian women, they're the human species' pride but I would rather stick to the original for classics unless it's a themed rendition like urban Shakespeare or somethingThere's really no reason that Helen can't be black even if you "stick to the original" because there are black characters in the Iliad and Herodotus makes a big deal about the beauty and youthfulness of the Aethiopians. There really isn't any "canon" or "original" Helen because if she ever actually existed at all, it's impossible to tell what the facts are from all the different sources that talk about her. Any beaitiful woman will do, really.
>>2909443>>2909639>I don't know anything about this personHere are the relevant clips circulating twitter of her and another guy at the panel. Bonus: a different panelist who is a birthright Israeli zionist trying to redefine settler colonialism as white settler colonialism specifically.
receipts for the last bit:
https://x.com/habitualasshole/status/2097007164904632391 Anyone has that fucking video of Haz dancing to Joy Division???
>>2909701Imagine if soviets had this mentality in 1941.
>Noooo to be stronger than nazis makes me a nazi!!!!Justin Trudeau school of Bioleninism
>>2909670They won't do shit
>>2909084please explain for the class how blood meridian attempts to absolve amerikkka
>>2908199I looked a little too far into this story and found out that this guy secretly recorded podcasts for self-described "boy and girl lovers", and actually used his game show voice on them with no attempt at obfuscation. Crazy shit.
See:
https://www.buzzerblog.com/2026/09/04/a-screenname-linked-to-wof-announcer-jim-thornton-allegedly-released-a-podcast-on-a-pedophile-themed-website-in-2024/ >>2909518The kids are all on tiktok. Back in the 8chan days we used to best out /v/ sometimes. Idk what kind of numbers we had when we had to migrate to Bunkerchan. It's honestly a miracle this place still exists and has daily users since it's had to move places three times. Idk how you'd grow this place back up again, maybe do some Q&As with prominent Marxists so there's actually something interesting to read every now and then or spam every reels app with memes everyday so we get our name out there again.
>>2909658Real
>>2909513You think stopping deforestation will solve the excess of co2?
>>2909721
Maybe, but "only white people can be settlers" is an idea present in "Decolonization is not a metaphor" at least. It's tripe for poc liberals and pmcs that feel the need to legitimize and exculpate their participation in capitalism and bourgeois institutions.
>>2909718these guys are on the side of multi-billion dollar corporations and unironically think theyre "anti-establishment".
goyim genuinely deserve to be slaves
>>2909701>>2909824Ah okay so it's not a right vs. left thing then it's everyone. There's a glass ceiling to the complexity of the civilization the average joe can live in before it breaks down into child soldiers with rifles. This is validation that it's the same for every type of people out there.
We need to accept darwinism for people with these types of self-inflicted problems. It's more merciful that way.
>>2909824>if you understand algebra then you are goy slaveI didn't realise basic mathematics was so offensive to people.
>>2909839Hey you stupid fucking mathematician cunts would it fucking kill you to write out a goddamn sentence, with actual fucking words, once in a while explaining what the fuck it even is that you just fucking did or what the fuck I'm supposed to actually do with your stupid fucking abstract mathematical objects? I know you have some sick fetish/obsession with trying to explain everything with just numbers and symbols and using the least amount of words possible because you were probably such a fucking socially awkward weirdo your whole life that now you need to try and prove you're better than anyone at all making your fucking ideas unnecessarily obtuse and inaccessible to anyone but your snide little mathematician friends, but the only reason we keep you on the payroll is to come up with tools for us to use to solve real problems. Sure we let you dick around with your insanely nonsensical 97 dimensional semicuspidal manifolds or your hyperbolic triangles without embedded eigenvalues or whatever the fuck it is you assholes are doing all day. But that's just to keep you little shits busy so you don't bother the rest of us with your fucking bullshit periodic approximations of irrational pseudo-rotations using pseudoholomorphic curves. Jesus Fucking Christ. All I'm asking for is ONE (maybe 2) sentences explaining what the fuck this shit even represents. You can blame it on me. Tell your math buddies I snuck it and wrote 'words' while you weren't looking. Just please, for the love of god, tell the rest of us what you are doing and what you want us to do.
>>2909612>muh mrna vaxLmao
>>2909701I only watched her clip because I don't care about whatever crusade you have against the others. she makes the point that you shouldn't try to "get fit" because that's just playing by the beauty standards set by capitalism
the obvious counterpoint to this is that for the time being, you have to go by those standards because being "fit" and "pretty" makes you more convincing and appealing to people, which is important if you want to organize a political movement. case in point, I'm pretty sure she paid more for that haircut that I paid for food last month, she knows that she has to look good to be a "credible author" and that she has to "look smart" to be a "respectable intellectual"
as I said, she's not necessarily wrong in the points she makes, but the conclusions are reductionist and incompatible with reality. it's the type of sophistry and vibe-reading that verso loves to publish
btw, you're weird for obsessing over her, you're in an even worse bucket than any of those guys
>>2909848so she basically has no point and is a bigot to boot?
>>2909872kind of, it has been around since forever
the merit of muslim algebra was representing it through a symbolic language. but the progress they made was eventually abandoned because the historical conditions for it's development weren't there. that is, algebra, and symbolic representation as a whole, wasn't that useful at the time, so there was no incentive to keep it around
>>2908963Ofc they wouldnt, how would the films get funding? This is like if One Piece was actuallt anti monarchy
>>2909701She talks about how Ho Chi Minh (among other historical revolutionaries) had chronic health problems, but we shouldn't have to point out that the Vietnamese Revolution wasn't won by Ho Chi Minh alone. I'm pretty sure that the guys hauling artillery and anti-aircraft guns up mountains at Dien Bien Phu had a modicum of physical fitness.
>>2909701These clips aren't great but I'm not going to cast judgement until I see the whole segments.
>>2909824Oh look it's Terrence Howard 2.0!
>>2909923>These clips aren't great but I'm not going to cast judgement until I see the whole segments.They're infected with Nurgle and Slaanesh cultists. Maybe even the other two.
>>2909903God that's a lot of reading so I did not read, but you know what? You can buy consensually from lesbians!
*kiss* noice!
>>2909903I dont care for the radfem of what she has to say, but this is too larpy for my taste
>>2909903omg, are those pictures of nationalism in a very far away place where people look very different?! and from a long time ago too!??! friggin epic bacon dude!
>>2909933Wow the GPCR was just bourgeois nationalism. It couldn't have been anything more, like a world-historical advancement in the way class struggle is fought and a shining example for socialists all around the world to follow?? No, because people are Maoists only because of nationalism (or whatever pomo literary critique theory I have about the people being cattle), not because Maoist strategies are correct!
>>2909930>I dont care for the radfem of what she has to say, but this is too larpy for my tasteThe left is too idpolled to function so I just buy my privacy while I can. When I finally can't, I've got my known overdoses. I still daydream of a better more equal world though.
>>2909935This but unironically
>>2909694>>2908497third anon here, i can't really imagine giving a fuck about the historical accuracy of a hollywood movie. these people are scumbags and will never care about such things. the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class, and the odyssey itself is ancient propaganda from the perspective of the Aegean ruling class, and was already being told 500 years after the alleged legend took place. regarding the aesthetic philosophy of adapting such material in general… I'd say the documentary approach of maximizing historical accuracy is nice to see, but very rare, very hard to pull off, and audiences generally don't care. As long as entertainment is made for profit you are never going to get the documentary style. The style of exaggerating things, changing things, and caring more about what audiences think looks cool than historical accuracy will probably always dominate; even in the period of the renaissance, the great masters made paintings of biblical subjects standing in renaissance italian clothing, and standing around renaissance italian buildings. Why? because these were for popular consumption, and both the church and the great artists knew that biblical propaganda would "stick" better if dressed in contemporary garb.
>>2909872A particular Muslim invented Algebra. Algebra was invented by Al Khwarizmi. The Latinization of his name was Algorithmus from which we get the word "Algorithm." He wrote "The Concise Book of Calculation by Restoration and Balancing" which in Arabic is called " al-Kitāb al-Mukhtaṣar fī Ḥisāb
al-Jabr wal-Muqābalah". From the words highlighted we get "Algebra". In latin the title of the book was "Liber Algebræ et Almucabola"
The book was a compilation and extension of known rules for solving quadratic equations and for some other problems, and considered to be the foundation of algebra, establishing it as an independent discipline. Prior to Al Khwarizmi, in the "west," the approach to problems we now think of as "algebraic" were dealt with using geometrical methods.
>>2909694>There's really no reason that Helen can't be black even if you "stick to the original" because there are black characters in the Iliad and Herodotus makes a big deal about the beauty and youthfulness of the Aethiopians.There's a bit of a plurality in aesthetic and beauty to be honest. Asian women just shake the background radiation for me. It's the Truth that I would surrender my marrow for and fuck the heretics and the disbelievers.
>>2909950>third anon here, i can't really imagine giving a fuck about the historical accuracy of a hollywood movie. these people are scumbags and will never care about such things. the ruling ideas are the ideas of the ruling class, and the odyssey itself is ancient propaganda from the perspective of the Aegean ruling class, and was already being told 500 years after the alleged legend took place.Fear of chaos and peace are the only appeals the booj ever had. Understand the wisdom of the cow and the sheep.
>>2909824>>2909839>>2909840I'm feeling like 10 things right now
- it tucker unironically a psy op to make anti-zionism look stupid by associating it with cranks who think knowing basic math makes you a "goy slave?"
- to answer the question, we use letters to encapsulate variables and constants, to show that a particular approach to a problem works even when you substitute different numbers. It's used to generalize. It's basically a way of saying "substitute this letter with any number you can think of and the problem will still work". It's like when you see a socket in the wall. "plug any compatible device here and I will give that device electricity." that's the power of abstraction and encapsulation. It allowed you to make statements that are very general but also very rigorous and true.
- yes i agree math is often taught very badly by people who lack the linguistic and social skills to simplify concepts or explain them in plain english. this is because hyperspecialization makes cripples of all of us. i can go into that more if you like.
>>2909957>I'm feeling like 10 things right nowThere's a matrix and factions are dumping tons of shit into it. Sorry but the early 2000's redpill was 100% right about things before it got invaded by the rightoids
>>2909889You fail to appreciate how far behind the average is when you get deep into subjects and rabbit holes. There's a word for it… "normie".
>>2909961>I'm feeling like 10 things right now>There's a matrixSamefag but… It's to do with the nature of knowledge. What we can do has surpassed what we can see without interference so there will be some rattling. For the record, I'm cishet and a material essentialist when it comes to organic beings. "Data beings" are something else whether they're digital or something else because I don't know them.
>>2909701The idea of a "fat genocide" makes me crack up, like how does that look like? People are just morbidly obese anymore and force too live a bit more healthy?!
>>2909965>The idea of a "fat genocide" makes me crack up, like how does that look like?Ask the people that represent the left by virtue of Academia, MSM and the social media.
>>2909965It's when you tell people not to be fat
>>2909975How fat is too fat?
>>2909976depends on the person
>>2909976BMI of 30 or more.
Japan has a fat tax for these people, it makes sense. With nationalized medicine fatties have more problems. They also most likely consume more calories than the equivalent amount of labor they did.
I am a fatty in the west. I know my ills, I will put the fork down inshallah
>>2909982No you won't. You'll lose your pelvis to gout before you do.
I know it's left/pol/ but is being unabashedly cishet just incorrect here?
>>2909982>Japan has a fat tax no it doesnt
>>2909595This is where I confess I didn't really like engaging in Kirk memery, the guy died in a truly horrific way. But seeing how flustered these guys get by having the exact same meme in their face for over a year makes me want to bully them.
>>2909718I like how the bottom guy implies he has studied the benefits of data centers deeply and isn't operating on terminal contrarianism
>>2910021>the guy died in a truly horrific wayHe died about as painlessly and trauma-lessly as it's possible to die. His soul left his body before he was out of the chair.
>>2909889Am I the only one who sees "being unfit and unhealthy is valid" as a totally transparent cope meant to make people accept not getting healthcare?
>>2909982>Be fat as fuck>Die early of heart disease >State doesn't have to sponsor the 30+ unproductive years of your lifeThey are brave warriors benefitting the welfare state just like smokers
>>2910032At best its cope by fatties who don't want to feel pressure to lose weight. At worst it's pushed by medical and food porkies to get people to consume more and be more dependent on medication. The idea that capitalism requires and demands physical fitness and disciplines those who don't conform is obvious nonsense. Were there any truth to that then America wouldn't be the fattest society in human history. Capitalism needs workers to be just healthy enough to do their jobs and consume for long enough to generate profits. Beyond that capitalism is at best indifferent to health since both obesity and fitness are lifestyles that facilitate consumption of commodities. Capitalism can accommodate both. The real stupidity of the whole "the more dysgenic the better" nonsense is in thinking that revolutionary struggle doesn't require physically fit people, or that it's not something society and individuals should strive for to the best of their abilities.
>>2910032>Am I the only one who sees "being unfit and unhealthy is valid" as a totally transparent cope meant to make people accept not getting healthcare?Money buys bro
>>2910031Chad to chad communication
>>2910028>I like how the bottom guy implies he has studied the benefits of data centers deeply and isn't operating on terminal contrarianism'merican degrees with majors and minors
Literally everything gets infected by chaos cultists… I'm dipping out of this reality. Bye guys.
>>2909897>I'm pretty sure that the guys hauling artillery and anti-aircraft guns up mountains at Dien Bien Phu had a modicum of physical fitness.It's funny you mention that because I got my ass kicked by a Vietnamese kid in the 9th grade. He knocked me out cold actually. But there's a point I'm going with this.
>>2909848>she makes the point that you shouldn't try to "get fit" because that's just playing by the beauty standards set by capitalism. the obvious counterpoint to this is … I'm pretty sure she paid more for that haircut that I paid for food last monthA lot of stuff in these arguments tend to revolve around aesthetics even if people aren't saying that. Because these people can actually play with their appearance in a pretty elaborate way. Then on the other end, you have communists who want to look big and strong and masculine because that's what they think hardass Marxist-Leninists should look like according to Soviet propaganda posters. But I'll just say the Vietnamese kid who kicked my ass was skinny as hell. He hit hard though.
It's hard to look like chad if you're Asian. But my point is that appearances can be deceptive. I think people are also probably way too neurotic about image now because of social media with cameras everywhere and people trying to be influencers. It somewhat reminds me of right-wing survivalist stuff where you need to have all this stuff to make it through the apocalypse and if you look bad and act bad then people will treat you as bad. But they would just be hopeless in a really tough situation compared to a Somali girl who is only carrying a toothbrush. Also the other point I want to make is don't fuck with Vietnamese people.
>>2909606>Why are right-wing accounts suddenly nostalgic for Puddle of Mudd, one of the worst bands of the 2000s? There's a right-wing meme that Nickelback losing popularity is a psyop by the CIA to demoralize white people. I couldn't believe it at first. Like no way, this is just too stupid. But it's a real belief among a very boomer, Q-adjacent chud. It's funny too because these bands were overplayed so heavily on the radio after corporate consolidation of FM radio stations. Also the music got toned down to safe-edgy after 9/11.
>>2910207>Nickelback losing popularityI never liked this soy commercialized post-grunge bullshit. All these bands sound the same.
>>2910207Nickelback was THE meme band to hate with imagine dragons and now cardi B lol
>>2909897All such discourse is abstract and pointless unless had in the context of concrete revolutionary organizing. "what do we as socialists mean by fitness" can only be answered in the context of what is rewuired for orgsnization
"What is fitness, like, geberally" is a bourgeois mode of inquiry because it implicitly assumes a kind of shared social milieu and ontology, a markeyplace of ideas, whatever you want to call it, as if we are all participants of this shared discourse about "our" society, when in fact we're just rearranging symbols within the bourgeois milieu.
>>2909701I absolutely believe this crap is CIA.
>>2909950>third anon here, i can't really imagine giving a fuck about the historical accuracy of a hollywood movie.I don't and you shouldn't, at least if it's not depicting actual historical events with the intention of saying "this is how it actually happened." None of the people pretending to care about the historical correctitude of Helen's heckin skin color really give a shit either. I was just pointing out that there isn't any textual or historical reason not to make any hot lady or femboy play Helen.
>>2909956Instead of randomly banning people for " sectarianism" for making fun of random irrelevant leftist tendency #42666, can wr ban this retard for being cringe instead?
I'm feeling so much fucking rage lately, I got in so many stupid arguments online today because of something shitty that happened at work, I just can't deal with the unfairness of the fucking world, the right keep winning and they're too fucking dumb to even appreciate it, I'm so tired
>>2910255They need to sell that merch
>>2910241>Instead of randomly banning people for " sectarianism" for making fun of random irrelevant leftist tendency #42666Ahaha, you too? Mods are on a roll.
Non-sectarian rule is retarded anyway, why should I be forced to never make fun of something that goes completely against something I believe just because they call themselves "leftist".
"Non-sectarianism" & "left unity" always means a victory for the most right deviationists
>>2910250"Junk food" not being a thing is probably true. Since your body doesn't care where nutrients, carbs, calories etc. comes from, but I'm not sure how they can argue that being overweight/fat isn't an inherent health risk? Also I would think consuming in moderation, AKA: Managing your weight would be anti-capitalist since you are literally controlling your consumption. Even though this entire line of questioning is useless since this is the most COINTELPRO shit I've ever seen.
>>2910262"Food is food" ignores that some foods have increased cancer risks associated to their consumption such as sausages etc
>>2910194you have reading comprehension issues. the point is not that she has an expensive haircut, but that she having a expensive haircut implies an admission that conforming to beauty standards can be useful for spreading a message
>>2909897and yet the vast majority of movements have given some attention to physical appearance. it's common sense, I don't think anyone in the left was saying that you have to be like clavicular to give a speech or join a union, but there is an "operational baseline" so to speak
>>2910262it kind of does though. one thing that you have to understand about chemistry and biology is that there is a lot of guesswork and simplification involved, it isn't like math or software where you deal with "pure" abstract objects. nothing is just the calories and the macros that you see listed on the packaging
>>2910262There is an entire science to junk food and making it as junky as possible so people eat as much as possible. This kind of discourse only makes sense if you pretend capitalism doesn't exist.
>>2910262>>2910309>"Junk food" not being a thing is probably true.i do think we should quadruple down on the "simple carbs" thing. like people really really need to understand our brain is wired for this shit instead of moralizing individual consumption and framing it as simple carbs is a better intuition than just saying "it's bad" in loose terms.
>>2910311yes and no; even in those circumstances you usually had the party cadres trying to uphold an image because it gives legitimacy. and this relates to something that I have seen some people here misunderstand and that is a more interesting topic:
joining a vanguard party means that you're willing to be a leader, even if just at a low level. now, given the current circumstances in most of the world, you most probably won't. but the mindset should still be that your job is to lead, so you should look and behave the part. this also implies, unfortunately, that some people aren't fit for being party cadres, even if they are sympathetic to the cause, and there is nothing wrong with being just a supporter
>>2910327It's not just the human biology part (though that is a factor). It's that food supply is controlled by businesses, and they make more money if they feed you nasty slop full of empty calories that gets you addicted.
>>2910255leftypol xitter shares content from *checks notes* leftypol
>>2910347I stole those pics from the 'gram tho
>>2909701I'm doing 50 push-ups right now while I ignore retarded shit like this
>>2909606why do people bitch and moan about underground concerts and music? there is still an underground scene you dummies, and if you think it sucks now I have news for you, it sucked before too.
>>2910380wrong. obeSSe ameriklans are the vanguard of Treatlerism.
>>2910380you can be fit and unemployed, I say this as a fit and unemployed person, you don't need to go to a gym just lift your own weight and go for long walks.
capital and work makes people fat, most workaholics I know are also big into food, big into overconsumption of media too, they need a dopamine release from the hell of work, you should take advantage of your unemployment and consume less, you don't need money to meditate, you don't need money to exercise, you do need money to get a 35 piece chicken bucket.
>>2909701>fat bodies>black fleshdehumanization, but woke
also I really fucking hate how wokies misuse the term genocide. "trans genocide", "fat genocide", "autistic genocide", "deaf genocide" etc as if people with these conditions are nations unto themselves. you might as well say "peasant genocide" like proponents of hoholdomor do
>>2910403We should enable chud genocide tho
>>2910404tru. total holochudor now
>>2910403TO BE FAIR marx said:
"Doubtless, Ricardo's language is as cynical as can be. To put the cost of manufacture of hats and the cost of maintenance of men on the same plane is to turn men into hats. But … the cynicism is in the facts, and not in the words which express the facts."
>>2910406I feel something is lost if you just say stuff that way without making a remark like Marx's here
>>2910408That is true, in marx there is an implicit immanent posdibility of man who is no longer hats, or man who could have been something but hats
In afropessimism there is no such thing, everything is flesh and body, from the perspective of capital, but apparently there is no other outlook but capital's
>>2910435he does mention jewish guys like lyor coen right off the bat in the video. But you cant deny the cia And mi5s involvement with this stuff either
>>2910325this is actually really well made lol
>>2910179>>2910176Can someone explain what is this shit?
Is this done on purpose like they specifically pick the dumbest motherfuckers on the planet to talk about irrelevant shit like fitness and body positivity to stir up some mud and drama or something?
It’s already an uphill battle in general because rightoids relentlessly spam anti-woke shit via hundreds of sloptube channels and now you gotta give them more ammo with your irrelevant hot takes about lifting weights. Damn.
>>2909074MAJOR
LACERATION
DETECTED
>>2910521>specificallyI meant deliberately
>>2910463Happy Kirkversary Frogan.
>>2910522>>2909074it's more like
MAJOR
BLOOD
LOSS
DETECTED
>>2910445wholesome recovery
>>2910521It's probably CIA Plants to make "Socialisim"/leftiism look bad. The "Socialist" parties in the USA has been infiltrated by feds for years.
>>2910730cool it with the felixite remarks
>>2910521>>2910730There's thousands of these people though. A whole cottage industry of writers and academics. I think it's way more "Portlandia." You sound like guys discovering feminist lesbians for the first time. They like to talk about being fat in really elaborate ways and are also drawn to socialist organizations like bees to honey. That specific conference called "Socialism 101" is a bit weird as a name because it's actually a publishing house called Haymarket Books, which used to be intermixed with the ISO, which was a socialist organization (and a very college student oriented one) but they dissolved seven years ago.
A funny thing that happens is it all gets jumbled up. Like if you saw this Republican midterm thing last night, they would show a rapid-fire image of someone at a protest holding a hamsick flag and a LGBT flag, then the ACP, then some Trots, then the CPUSA, and then finally *bam* there's the pic of Hasan in his underwear like he's the mastermind behind the whole thing lmao. Of course the people in those groups also dislike each other and they're plants to make the other ones look bad but in the right-wing imagination it's all just one big swirling morass of threats to the holy spirit.
>>2910521well the half black half jewish lady saying we need to make settler colonialism only about white people literally advertises herself as a freelance speaker and includes disney as a previous client so that's the caliber of people they have giving talks at this thing
>>2910809>video is a thinly veiled overview of the peter theil matrixyeah, nothing to worry about here, go back to sleep soyboy
>>2910913whatd you do this time?
>>2910913I too wish the internet gave me money for free, good luck with that
>>2910915Namefag here with an edgy left commentary website, erikhoudini.com. On trial for allegedly threatening Kaitlin Bennett, has-been rightoid e-celeb, with a tweet (I think) about Charlie Kirk.
I don't have any cash spare to donate to this, but I think if you do you should chip in. We should protect our own no matter what their specific left politics. Once upon a time we had a sprawling legal defense network, International Red Aid, that would pay the bail and provide free legal support for persecuted leftists; it fell apart because it started discriminating against first anarchists and then opposition factions in the CPUSA.
>>2911039>he thinks you can just change internet nicknameyou will never escape your old nicknames
>>2911039Sirs a second philosophy cuck has hit youtube…
>>2911039Ain't nobody calling bro anything other then nastyenchilada 🤣
>>2911039what's his next name? reactynada?
>>2910806He says it himself in the video but there's nothing else to really say about that circle, he's just repeating himself at this point.
Anyway, is Midnight Gospel good? I've had people recommend it to me.
>>2911349It’s also not as funny as when Redbar or Ben Avery hate on the austin scene and make all the same points
>>2911229This is a strange concerted campaign. That guy in your NBC news video has just appeared now, out of nowhere, suddenly is in every mainstream news live interview. Whoever is pushing this, they made it obvious. Why? I'm still trying to figure it out if it is just a diversion or if someone is about to present a project detrimental to the US AI project and the mainstream media will air something stupid based on what that guy is saying.
>>2911334how could you possibly interpret toughen up as the first meaning, what a retarded xeet
500 bushels of wheat or dinner with the King?
>>2911395How are you gonna carry 500 bushels home? I don’t the king or his knights are going to deliver it. Do you even have the storage space? A still to make liquor
>>2911334>Yet another TRVKE for suicide prevention month.Why isn't MAiD just common sense by now?
>>2911591The 3rd world is a mirror of the future of the USA
>>2911039Works well, good for him.
Looking forward to the Krauts and Ethan KKKleins
and Hasans of the tubes trying to seriously explain Yakub lore to their audiences.Then pedantically uphold calling somebody with a perfectly normal name which rolls off the tongue, "Bad Empanada" instead… Whom they autistically insist is the "real name" of the leader of an international "tankie" gang-stalking operation against them.
>>2911015Goodness yes, thanks anon!
>>2911039>>2911093>>2911416In wrestling you can make a goofy gimmick name work by usually shortening it or using a variation. Rocky Maivia became The Rock and Hunter Hearst Helmsley became Triple H. When a wrestler gives themselves a full name changes, the fans won’t accept it. I think he should have shortened the name to Emp or something.
Why do Western progressive leftists, and Progressive liberals focus so much on attacking on J.K. Rowling while avoiding discussions about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and the problems caused by capitalism?
>>2911687What the algorithms pushes on your front page might not be fully representative to what people actually talk about.
>>2911268Lmao that's awesome
>>2911687What's about doing the former that stops you from doing the latter ?
>>2911334huge TRVKE, I will never lick the boot, I will never let a customer give me shit without talking shit back, I will never let my boss disrespect me, fire me, I dare you.
>>2911671its because he doesn't have a cuck mentality like Putin or Zelensky
>>2911671He's a world class schemer. Possibly the best at it and also probably the best at making himself as ominous as possible like you said. Just look at all the stuff he's implicated in without even covering it up. Just imagine the things he may be hiding?
>>2911394Some classcucks probably saying thoughen up when you dare complain about a job i guess.
>>2911842I mean it doesn't matter what was the original context. It was a poor choice of words and an irrelevant topic to discuss.That was also deeply unprofessional.
Right now you cannot afford to say random shit that might have more than one meaning. I get that she's probably is writing a paper on that topic, but come on, think of the bigger picture for once, not everything revolves around your PhD.
>>2911842The "context" doesn't add anything.
She still said that being dysgenic is good, actually.
Let her get clowned. Stop the white-knighting.
I think the proper take would be
>ableism is bad
>doesn't mean everyone should be dysgenic
>in fact we should research that shit find ways to fix genetic diseases to help those who suffer from them, and in the future prevent it from happening
>we should do that instead of promoting gymcel bullshit
>>2911849That's reasonable to most, but if you asked these disability activists whether or not they would cure their ailments, they would decline it. They derive their entire sense of personhood from their disability.
>>2911842I don't need to defend dumbass academiaslop just because right-wing reactionaries are shitting on it. I don't really care if people want to have talks for their stupid social science "research" where they've named some new oppression, but I will not take it seriously.
One of these people said that fat people are being genocided by glp-1s, a completely ridiculous take that is maybe even harmful as leftists need to be able to clearly call out actual genocides happening due to imperialism without seeming like dupes who call everything genocide. (I notice he didn't cover this one.) The other one basically said that disabled people have revolutionary potential and should not be left out. An entirely obvious conclusion to anyone who spent 30 seconds engaging in mass politics, but nevertheless this lady has given a special extra silly name to this idea for her research. I don't think she's a bad person or anything, and probably genuinely wants to help people, but this just happens when you get way too into academia.
>>2911671He is really really boring. If he wasn't such a monster no one would give af about him
>>2911889It might be interesting if a show was made about the time he was a hot shot chemist when he was banging that one chick he was still lusting over later on.
>>2911229Silly Cone Valley is interested in hyping AI as the best thing and worst thing ever, trying to keep the bubble from bursting, is all.
>>2911889Gonna guess this is a prequel film taking place before Breaking Bad with young WALTHU
>>2911842>uhm, she never said that you shouldn't be fit<"The more dysgenic the better"ok bro
>>2909521>dysgenic behaviorsay what you mean by that
>>2911850>They derive their entire sense of personhood from their disability.yeah well if you're so mentally disabled you're shitting your pants and nonverbal at thirty I doubt you would derive a sense of personhood from it
>>2912182Gonna depend heavily on your perspective, some who were born deaf and get hearing aids will be blown away by listening to music for the first time but then later take them out to experience true silence again.
>>2911390>>2911229>>2911241Alright, AI companies are calling for a "slow down" (bernards framing, not exactly that) of the development of AI. It seems they are looking for a regulatory barrier, for Chinese AI, which they will describe as uncontrollable.
There. It was a concerted campaign as I expected. And we will see even bernard sanders saying that Chinese AI must be banned in the future and voting for it because the US ones "halted", while the Chinese didn't, despite he's proposing a Xi-Trump symmetric biding, arms-control style.
Let me explain, after the concerted campaign was issued Amodei proposed (read more than this:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c14dpgm0rg4o):
The regulatory model Amodei is issuing don't address open-source models at all. The embedded-evaluator mechanism targets closed-source frontier labs by construction. You cannot embed an evaluator in a weights release. So if closed development paces and open development doesn't, the competitive effect runs entirely one way, and Amodei doesn't engage with it. This is intentional, so the plan here is to set up a FINRA-style regulatory framework and then ban open weights as intrinsically noncompliant with safety regulations
I side with LeCun and Casado: A protective ban of this type would be a defeat dressed as a defense.
It was too obvious.
the democrats where already on the verge of regulating big tech during the biden years. but then trump won and trump doesnt care about anything but making money so he is basically a tech accelerationist.
Regulating big tech or not will be a big issue in the 2028 election. Its a platform that makes democrats hype and feel like they are doing something
>>2910987Praise be to our Gabec.
>>2911842How exactly does the context change anything? Why would you defend these retarded-ass takes just because these people are nominally on the left? Fuck em
>>2912241<The market has priced in AGI. 2 trillion dollars have been poured into reaching AGI as the end game. Apple bowed out of the AI arms race because their research showed LLM models are fundamentally flawed and can’t do real independent reasoning. Now, if you’re one of the companies that have invested into AGI but found out it’s not possible. What do you do? Admit AGI isn’t possible, your company becomes worthless/bought out for pennies on the dollar? Or doo you continue to hype AGI and kick the can down the road? Of course the latter. The PR story is, we’re slowing down progress for “safety concerns.” Doing it slow and controlled to ensure safety. Very convenient storyline for a company desperate to continue to drive hype around AGI without having to show real progression. They need to keep this act up until they IPO. They’re working together to drive this narrative because they know it’ll all come crashing down if they show any sign of weakness/AGI isn’t possible.t. Some guy on tiktok, I think this is an interesting angle
>>2912245>because they just couldn't admit that china is socialist.And because all that energy that the 2008 butthurt crash was creating had to go somewhere. So the answer is to denounce the Tumblrinas and stuffy CIA intellectuals which by now were more like squatters on the ruins of the left they had wrecked. While exalting the Professional-Activist-Who-Does-Stuff.
The era of keeping people off class politics by denouncing "Stalinism" is over because the USSR is GONE. You cannot denounce the organizational structure, when none exist, without tempting the creation of one. It's time to provide the masses with an alternative framing for the compatible left and how to organize themselves in the least effective way possible.
It's okay to abandon class lines and collaborate with those "apolitical" Professional Activists. Because afterall,
it is all IN LE HEAD when it comes to defeating capitalism, so communists and WEF Progressives share one struggle towards "breaking the psyop".
So go get your philantropy bags and your marxoid grants and welcome to the reopened market with a high demand for compatible leftoids.
>>2912256>high demand for compatible leftoids.Not much more is "compatible left" for capitalism then china is
>>2912245if china is socialist, what about singapore, malaysia, poland, germany, france? is socialism when the government does stuff?
>>2912245>if you read about Vietnamese or Afghan historyafghan history is positive towards china the retard running this account forgot that it was america and the ussr and not china that invaded afghanistan lmfao. as for vietnamese history why not cambodian history? the dispute between china and vietnam generally falls down to cambodia and pol pot. it was vietnam that invaded cambodia and china that intervented defensively in response. this is the equivalent to running to americans to hear their side of the Iraq invasion instead of the iraqs. yet again leftypol mods proving that they're chauvinist imperialists.
>>2912283wrong. if that were the case western states would not spend so much money and time smearing china and telling everyone to hate china.
>>2912284yes. literally read the communist manifesto you brainlet.
>>2912284No it's when socialists are in charge of the government and the ruling class is the working class.
Singapore, france are ruled by technocratic oligarchy and financial elite
Malaysia is a monarchy
Germany is ruled by the transnational capital
Poland is ruled by the comprador elites (just like Ukraine) - essentially it's neocolonialism. Poles can cope as much as they want but the fact is that they have some of the largest factories in their country like Bosch and Siemens.
I've never heard of a Polish brand of washing machines or Polish cars, have you?
>>2912299Marx didn’t consider socialist commodities
>>2912299The first two screenshots are literally arguments against considering China to be under a socialist mode of production. The second is an immediate program of reform to rally around in 1848. Though I will admit that the Chinese model of land ownership is pretty much better and closer to socialism than pretty much the entire rest of the world
>>2912299How the hell do you read the first two and think it supports the China=socialism thesis
Is Microsoft socialist because it's in competition with Apple? China being a threat to American hegemony does not mean they are doing socialism, neither does doing protectionist state capitalism. Capitalist classes fight each other all the fucking time, so by that metric Iran is socialist, so is Russia, loads of LatAm too I'm guessing, sprinkled with some EU states even. We have worldwide socialism after all! X is true because America says Y! Is absolute cuckbehavior.
I don't care that much about china try to have a very "guess we'll see" mentality toward it, but all this dickriding of online leftists just stems from the hope that somebody will do the revolution for them without them having to lift a finger. All want socialism and owning the means of production, but actually sacrificing anything at all for it is too much. At this point Western leftism is as meaningless as a T-shirt with Che on it, a meaningless subgroup identifier.
>>2912324This is the most bizarre thing I have EVER seen
>>2912336marx was not a genetic determinist (especially within the assumptions of the video) and the recounting of historical materialism offered by the creator of this video is vulgarized. if i heard someone say that the movement of history is the struggle of phenotypes claiming it to be marxism irl i would smack them with a slipper
>>2912338Nowhere does Biological Realism claim to be "Marxism"; it is using a Marxist conceptual framework. The content creator is a Darwinist, and Marx anticipated Darwinism in his own writings.
>Marx was not a genetic deterministGenes were not yet discovered in Marx's time, so he couldn't be one.
Nonetheless, Marx saw that it is material conditions which are the basis of all ideas. In Dawkins' notion of extended phenotypes, the gene acts as the primary material substrate of all further cognition.
>>2912245whoever runs the leftypol twitter is a fucking retard
>>2912241Part of that same "slowdown". They (chatgpt, anthropic, grok) can't catch up with open models (Chinese models) so, they are not going public for the same reason. Still, make no mistake, they are at the top of the AI market in the US are US AI models markets. The are losing the technological battle, so they, the winners, want what winners usually do: lobby for barriers to entry in the same market. They want a segmented market, as much as the auto industry is.
It was insane how that whistleblower was everywhere.
>>2912245the NAFO left strikes again
>>2912346le alt-right was never dadaist
Reminder that the red-blue alliance known as the western/NAFO left starts with the FDR/Stalin situationship, cope and seethe tankiddies.
>>2912375stalin never supported nato thobeit
nato was only formed after ww2 to counter stalin
>>2912331>Politics can only be understood in light of its biological basis<There are millions of examples of families (which you would think would have the most similar genes) having sharply diverging political viewpoints though?>um well um um uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh there I saved everyone from watching a 31 minute of video full of cope that cannot counter that simple point.
>>2912388A contradiction of the essentialist view is also that they attribute a type of brainwashing to all people who disagree with them; ideas are seen as inherent, so anything else must be nurtured. The contradiction in the video is that it attributes no agency to nurture, but only to genetic programming. The hypothesis hinges on the notion of environmental factors having no precedence in determining activity, yet divergence must be explained by external causes, as you write. It's a deductive issue. The person who takes an either/or position fails.
>>2912398if that is the case then arab resistance against israel is also stalin's fault.
>>2912307>>2912327Production of surplus value is not the direct aim and motive of production in china. Because the economy is controlled top down by a communist party duh.
Whuch means china doesn't fall under marx's definition of capitalism.
>>2912203it's fine, banning chinese AI, to the extent that you can even do that, is the ultimate poison pill. you're putting your entire tech sector at risk to protect a special interest group made of like 3 CEOs. like imagine you were competing against indians that cost a fraction of the price, now the difference will be even more steep when they have access to the cheap kimi models and you dont. especially devastating if it's due to a "slow down" (AKA we reached the theoretical limits of the technology). it's good. great even.
>>2912480South Korea and Taiwan in the second half of the 20th century weren't capitalist either in that case
>>2912569you don't understand what dadaism is, burger
>>2912373The one correct take in that entire c9nference and all the DSA-ite "respectability" social fascists come out in support of eugenics lmao
Being on the same side as Agent Kochinski should give you pause
>>2912591crazy that what would have been a milquetoast take on biopolitics in 2018 or so would become so contentious when trying to correct for "woke" politics.
>>2912591>>2912373>The one correct take in that entire c9nference why does nobody else clock that the stuff she said in that clip is obviously written by an LLM?
<"It's not just X, it's Y"<can't keep a consistent definition of "fitness" and instead conflates at least 3 distinct ideas: exercising/training, utility to capitalism, and eugenics >>2912575Korea was anti-capitalist from 1910 until the Park Chung Hee's CIA Assassination
>>2912608Who cares about them and what do they have to do with is? They are on their own, they have nothing to do with us.
>>2912288>afghan history is positive towards chinafor helping the us send guns to the mujahideen to fight against a socialist government yes
>>2912601you're making a broad accusation based on a 10 second clip sourced from an agent kochinsky video
<can't keep a consistent definition of "fitness" and instead conflates at least 3 distinct ideas: exercising/training, utility to capitalism, and eugenicsdo you think MAHA, the underlying target in the whole conference, has a consistent definition of fitness, retard?
>>2912203>>2912243>>2912343A big part of this might be the physical constraints they've been running into. Even if their very optimistic estimation of more datacenter line go up forever is true those things take like 5 years to build. And the biggest problem, the energy grid can't support them, even after they've started burning tables and chairs in coal generators.
So let the frog cook a bit.
Idk they have the most supportive (read non caring) administration they could possibly want on that front though.
>>2912618>Idk they have the most supportive (read non caring) administrationthe thing is that they need an admin which is capable of long-term thinking. they need to walk back on rampant privatization and literally make the government do things, those things being a historically unprecedented effort to modernize the electrical grid. so they, ironically, need an admin that cares lol.
>>2912615>you're making a broad accusation based on a 10 second clip sourced from an agent kochinsky videoNo it's from watching the talk. Why would I watch a V–sh video?
>MAHAThe start of the infamous clip she's specifically talking about ideas the left has about fitness. She goes on to claim that these are inseparable from eugenics.
>retardhashtag not very woke of you
Apparently a guy was selling tickets for a fight with a chimp in tiktok? And the guy scammed everyone with the tickets? they were sold with cryptos on a website? And just when the date when the event was supposed to happen arrived the website disappeared?
And hten the guy appeared with a “Get rugged” t-shirt?
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/sports/mma/news/get-rugged-mma-fighter-cole-johnson-left-fans-stunned-with-his-chimp-fight-claim-as-the-truth-took-an-unexpected-turn/articleshow/134104357.cmsDamn too many stupid people in burgerrican.
>>2912621>The start of the infamous clip she's specifically talking about ideas the left has about fitness.you'd think the communist board would be wary of liberal socdems reproducing the logic of capital as it co-opts and blurs the difference between wellness, aesthetics and productivity instead of whining about wokeness or whatever based on the framing of my favorite pedophile youtuber. this is a pretty milquetoast take, and the fact that it's getting so much pushback is so fucking sad, but also revealing on how much DSA politics have succeeded in their task of diluting socialist politics into technocratic liberalism.
>No it's from watching the talkyou didnt watch shit, you got the same clip fed from the same circuit of hasan piker and Agent Kochinski commentocrats. you literally fell for one of these stupid xitter astroturfed discourses, embarrassing, i can't imagine being this retarded tbh, is this what 10 hours of twitter a day looks like
>>2912625>you'd think the communist board would be wary of liberal socdems reproducing the logic of capital as it co-opts and blurs the difference between wellness, aesthetics and productivity instead of whining about wokeness or whateverShe says outright that the idea of fitness is itself eugenic, after wrapping up various distinct concepts into a ball, and goes on to say "the more dysgenic the better." She's the one who's reproducing fascist ideology.
>milquetoastWhy do all the defenders of this shit keep using this exact word? The bigger picture of the talk covering eugenics being ingrained in capitalism is true, but none of it changes that what she says in that part of it is a terrible take and concedes huge amounts of ground to fascism. Her defenders can't even agree on what it is she means, only that if a career activist is speaking, you better not criticize their theory.
>>2912625>you'd think the communist boardthis is leftypol doe
>>2912601Those concepts *are* ideologically conflated under capitalism doe.
But I think I agree with the broader point that she's concedeng the ground to eugenic ideology by being reactive: fascists take position X, we take opposite position.
This is still on the eugenic plane, the point is to articulate a positive programme for proletarian "fitness", but that project only has meaning as part of concrete revolutionary organizing and those are soccdem akkademics, so they can only do abstract navel gazing discourse that reproduces hegemonic thought, lol
>>2912636>Those concepts *are* ideologically conflated under capitalism doe.>But I think I agree with the broader point that she's concedeng the ground to eugenic ideologyYes that's what I mean - by accepting and going with that conflation she is just reinforcing the bundling of all these things instead of engaging in a struggle dialectically to separate the good from the bad. Like how it's very important for us to take care of our (and each others') health.
>This is still on the eugenic plane, the point is to articulate a positive programme for proletarian "fitness",It's not even that, if you want to subvert the eugenicist ideology you can't just adopt its categories and flip the valence. Instead of saying something like "the more dysgenic the better" the line should be that everyone is dysgenic because the ideals of perfect genes simply don't exist and trying to approach that ideal would entail inbreeding. If you want to additionally argue for a positive program of health and fitness and the promotion of health, that's also good, but it's not even really the problem with the talk.
It's more that they bring up how capitalism is destroying public health in various ways but then they take MAHA and fitfluencer bro science type ideology as *the* ideology of capitalism which is just not true. Capitalism is at best indifferent to public health, and sometimes actively hostile. The belief that capitalism is eugenic in the sense of trying to promote people attaining an ideal (instead of simply as a means to discriminate against people) is just wrong. To then position a positive programme for healthiness ("the fantasy of being fitter than the fascists") as simply going with the flow of that ideology rather than pushing against the current is to just get backwards what's happening.
>>2912575RoK and RoC were not a socialist republic with a communist party in charge. That's literally the difference.
>>2912643We call him GoP now, chud.
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