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CORE THEORY >The Society of the Spectacle (1967) by Guy Debord📖 •
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/debord/society.htm📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0blWjssVoUQ
<The Work of Art in the Age of Mechanical Reproduction (1936) by Walter Benjamin📖 •
https://www.marxists.org/reference/subject/philosophy/works/ge/benjamin.htm📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blq9sCIyXgA
>The Culture Industry from Dialectic of Enlightenment (1944) by Theodore Adorno & Max Horkheimer📓 •
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/adorno/1944/culture-industry.htm📖 •
https://libcom.org/article/dialectic-enlightenment-philosophical-fragments-theodor-adorno-and-marx-horkheimer📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hSLdd8R8mY
<Understanding Media (1964) by Marshall McLuhan📖 •
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1782045945238-0.pdf📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09ML9n5f1fE
>One-Dimensional Man (1964) by Herbert Marcuse📖 •
https://libcom.org/article/one-dimensional-man-studies-ideology-advanced-industrial-society-herbert-marcuse📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZCoLbEkAqs
<Discipline and Punish (1975) by Michel Foucault📖 •
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/michel-foucault-discipline-and-punishment📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s82uU4iRuko
>Simulacra and Simulation (1981) by Jean Baudrillard 📖 •
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1782045945238-1.pdf📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Yxg2_6_YLs
<Manufacturing Consent (1988) by Edward S. Herman & Noam Chomsky📖 •
https://libcom.org/article/manufacturing-consent-political-economy-mass-media-noam-chomsky-and-edward-s-herman📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34LGPIXvU5M
>The Sublime Object of Ideology (1989) by Slavoj Zizek📖 •
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1782045945238-2.pdf📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtIckkHsUQ4
<Postscript on the Societies of Control (1990) by Gilles Deleuze 📖 •
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/gilles-deleuze-postscript-on-the-societies-of-control📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hu4Cq_-bLlY
>Postmodernism, or, the Cultural Logic of Late Capitalism (1991) by Fredric Jameson📖 •
https://leftypol.org/edu/src/1782045945238-3.pdf📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4k26xGx1zI
<Spectres of Marx (1993) by Jacques Derrida📖 •
https://libcom.org/library/specters-marx-jacques-derrida📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJr0NwXWb6Q
>Capitalist Realism (2009) by Mark Fisher📖 •
https://libcom.org/article/capitalist-realism-mark-fisher📺 •
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Cb5XJH4NMI—————————————————–
SUPPLEMENTARY MATERIAL
>Precursor Material to Post-modernity and Critical Theory📖 •
Karl Marx - Book 1, Chapter 4 of
Economic and Philosophic Manuscripts (1844)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1844/manuscripts/labour.htm📺 •
Why Marx Was Right: Alienation - PlasticPills
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPRxxN4Kh30📖 •
Georg Lukács - Chapter 4 of
History and Class Consciousness (1923)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lukacs/works/history/hcc05.htm📺 •
Marxism After Marx: Reification - The Marxist Project
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZiI-QKxBKI 📖 •
Antonio Gramsci - Book 1, Chapter 1 of
Selections from the Prison Notebooks (1929)
https://www.marxists.org/archive/gramsci/prison_notebooks/problems/intellectuals.htm📺 •
Hegemony: WTF? An introduction to Gramsci and cultural hegemony - Tom Nicholas
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LI_2-qsovo📖 •
Louis Althusser -
Ideology and Ideological State Apparatuses (1970)
https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/althusser/1970/ideology.htm📺 •
Althusser's Concept of Ideology: A Discussion with Anthony Gavin - Acid Horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtOqXxkKwvw
<Documentaries•
The Society of the Spectacle (1974) by Guy Debord
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjF6I6SYjgA•
Manufacturing Consent (1992) by Mark Achbar & Peter Wintonick, with Noam Chomsky
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Li2m3rvsO0I•
The Pervert's Guide to Cinema (2006) and
The Pervert's Guide to Ideology (2012) by Sophie Fiennes, with Slavoj Zizek
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYuI4SFw4g0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBcFLmu_tlc•
HyperNormalisation (2016) by Adam Curtis
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4bv3Tr3jvZM&rco
>Easy-Bake Breadtube (for absolute beginners)•
We're All Fake Now - Wisecrack
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTW1mPOJJ_Y•
Are Cell Phones Replacing Reality? - PBS Idea Channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8AXIAM7dTTg•
The Cultural Significance of Cyberpunk - Cuck Philosophy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nvor7hhDKTs•
Introduction to Critical Theory for the 21st Century - Nathan Dufour
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7stVZPGxIw•
The Work of Art in the Age of Surveillance Capitalism - Brendan Morris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aNKiBJJFXZI
<Situationist Archives•
https://situationist.org/•
https://notbored.org/SI.html•
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RECOMMENDED OP-EDS•
I Don’t Want to Be an Internet Person by Ginevra Davis
https://www.palladiummag.com/2022/11/04/i-do-not-want-to-be-an-internet-person/•
Pluralistic: Tiktok's enshittification by Cory Doctorow
https://pluralistic.net/2023/01/21/potemkin-ai/#hey-guys•
Facebook's Threads is so depressing by Jason O. Gilbert
https://jogblog.substack.com/p/facebooks-threads-is-so-depressing>>2949416>>2949342she's taking a break. hopefully, forever and for good.
>>2949472Damn im starting to get worried about her.
>>2949671Hopefully she's monetized this outrage and is able to grift a decent amount of cash.
>>2949671why is she crying?
>>2949671Ok I think its an over reaction
But is she wrong though?
Like the art is horrifying and lowers the human soul. Would never have been allowed in any socalist country.
>>2949671I think she knows what she is doing. This feels way too on-purpose
>>2949671Lmao, this bitch again. What a lolcow.
>the war on beauty As she dresses like shit and ugly cries on canera
>>2949699>lowers the human soulretard
>>2949699Take your flag off fascist.
>>2949671I'm old enough to remember the girl that did this for real, took a 25 foot shit as an art project.
>>2949708Lol I was about to post the classic.
>>2949699She is some rich heiress bitch. She will never come to the point of realizing that the reason all this degenerate art exists is because tich people like her are all soulless degenerates and fund it.
Also people keep trolling because retards keep getting trolled.
>>2949671>go to an art gallery>get offended that the art is subversivelmao i hate bpd bitches who look for any excuse to have a crashout
>>2949715>degenerate artanother fascist
>>2949715>degenerate artthere's no such thing. art is art. if you don't like it go look at something else.
>>2949701Of course, this was made the day after she went to the art exhibit
>>2949723>there's no such thing. art is art. It literally is and deliberately so. It isn't even made because the people who make it like it or thinks it looks good, it is just made to troll people. It really is the manifestation of the empty void that is the bourgeois soul. Weird how some "lefties" are so galvanized to defend bourgeois shit(literal shit)
>if you don't like it go look at something else.Already made the same joke in the post you replied to idiot but I guess you couldn't see it through the seethe over me calling literal shit art degenerate.
>>2949671Why hasnt anyone posted this art piece? Couldnt care less about conservatives being outraged about it.
>>2949742it is shown in the video you numbnuts
>>2949740>art is when it only gives good emotionstragedies aren't art anymore
>>2949671how is there ten minutes of this? I really hope people are clowing on her for buying a ticket to a gallery deliberately to get TRIGGERED.
>>2949745nooooo! you have to dictate every minutia of people's lives otherwise they will degenerate their human souls (which is a real thing that exists)
>>2949768I didn't advocate for censorship. I just gave my opinion the art and that it is shit. It literally is. It's also old hat and passé because people have done the shit in the gallery shock art dozens or hundreds of time before. In fact I applaud these trolls because they are just trolling the bourgeois gallery-goers. Keep shitting on/in bourgeois art galleries.
>>2949745I got way more respect whatever garbage art that proles actually like then the bourgeois "high-art" shit.
>>2949777I didn't call it not art, I called it shit art.
>>2949776>>2949779>In fact I applaud these trolls because they are just trolling the bourgeois gallery-goers. Keep shitting on/in bourgeois art galleries.I applaud them shitting on bourgeois art galleries and the concept of "high art."
>>2949671>The owner of the gallery is apparently Jewish so they are having a field day.shame they're too dumb to see the crying bitch is also jewish
>Julia James Davis—art historian, entrepreneur, and granddaughter of billionaire oil magnate Marvin Davis—is of Jewish (specifically Ashkenazi Jewish) heritage god i wish i was a granddaughter of billionaire oil magnate
>>2949778>I didn't call it not artYeah, you did. You've made up an imaginary category of legitimate art that you think is good and put the "degenerate" or illegitimate art you don't like outside of it.
>>2949671Holy based
Modernin art fucking sucks but why crying
>>2949777Sam Hyde stuff is also art and fi you don't think so you're a fascist
>>2949805Good old Charlie (the first two pictures) really had that face. You can't blame the painter.
>>2949810>Suggestions?captain sinbad
>>2949805You're just giving cherry picked portraits? Even there, there is some artistic skill on display. You can't exactly fault the painter for drawing a face correctly/realistically.
>>2949823I don't care for it all. I guess my tastes are too proletarian. I love all the depictions of life back then for the historicity, I don't care to walk through a gallery of ugly mugshots of dysgenic feudal freaks. I wouldn't destroy them, but I do not care for them.
Look I could speak endlessly on high -rt and low-art. I am sure I have been trained more in-depth and educated on it, and witnessed more high-art masterpieces than any of you. Let me say simply, it is a eurocentric conception, and more than that a bourgeois/feudal conception. Every other art in the world is "world art" just like "world music." Art is different than music in that it has an objective measure. We can say a painting looks more or less objectively like what our eyes see. Europeans objectively developed this skill of relresenting what our eyes see in two dimensions more than anyone else. Then the technology of the photograph wad developed and that all bevane irrelevant.
>>2949810Good. Let the ACP have their fun
>>2949844Just for shits and giggles. This was a real oil painting I made in high school. I remember carting this thonf back and forth from school and this 30 something Jerry's Subs worker telling me:
>that is sick! I'd fuck her, then eat her headMy teacher liked it too because I was head and shoulders above the incompetent shits they were paid pennies to teach. Frank Gegrie's son was o e of my teachers as well. They didn't teach no technique. I learned that all on my own.
>>2949810Erik Houdini needs to go on her show and talk about his conviction for facebook trolling too hard.
>>2949859Doesn't this fit into the confines of Multipolarism doe
>>2949847Whats your current art like?
>>2949865I think we are on the cusp of AI art where nobody fycking cares. It's over.
>>2949865Just asking to measure how much you mog me now if high school you gigamogs 28 year old me even though I've been trying to learn how to draw for over a decade
>>2949867I have never worked as a professional artist, my sights have always been set higher. Way before this AI shit artists weren't paid shit. I was taught by "concept artists" " entertainment designers" since I hit puberty in middle school. I wouldn't recommend this path. There are a million beyter ways to make money, especially now after AI. I went on tours of Sony Studios and they told us if you want to make six figures bevome a programner. Artists are nothings.
>>2949871>I was taught by "concept artists" " entertainment designers" since I hit puberty in middle school. I wouldn't recommend this path.My teachers went to Art Center and were friends with people who designed all the Star Wars prequel shit, but they were still under precarious employment. Nobody gives a fuck about artists, less now more than ever.
>>2949884Makes me laugh so much the programmer fags laughing it up about:
>Now we are not under the tyranny of the art fags charging $100 for a picture!Yeah, yeah, I can't wait till all you programmer fags who have no objective skill at anything besides learning a million lines of source code are all in the unemployment line.
>>2949885Programmers got fucked more? Artists are still getting commisions
>>2949867>Just asking to measure how much you mog me now if high school you gigamogs 28 year old me even thoughYou make me want to paint again. Thank you. I used to get the oil paints and canvasses for free lol. Maybe it is worth it. What should I paint? I could do much better I think after all these years,
>>2949888Also grass is greener on the other side. Alot of idiot ignorant people say some dumb shit like "just learn Cobol bro" even though learning modern Cobol has nothing to do with learning the frames/systems those banks use. Then those people are actual well-paid consultants..
The language doesn't matters that much eitherway it's just problem solving.
Nobody "learns millions of lines of code" but you already knew that.
>>2949889I mean paints plus canvas can be easily over a few hundred, have not checked prices in a while.
>>2949888>>2949890I'm telling you what they told us after our tour of Sony Studios where we saw their render farms and foley studios and what not. We were asking them questions and they told us if you want to get paid six figures out the gate be a programmer. They don't pay any artist that much.
>>2949892Actually back in that time it was 80k but still way and above what they pay artists, Another funny story, we took a tour of Warner studios and they were still hand painting backdrops for I don't know what reason, but they had perspective mistakes everywhere. Fucking perspective lines not converging. Hitler shit.
>>2949867>Just asking to measure how much you mog me now if high school you gigamogs 28 year old me even though I've been trying to learn how to draw for over a decadeBut sank you, sank you. To paint or draw realistically isn't nothing. I can do it freehand but anyone can do it with the grid method. I've seen so many non-artists do a very realistic render with the grid method. Yes I would learn how to draw freehand. To render maybe study with the grid method.
>>2949900Think anyone can replicate a photograph with a grid. You can't measure distances and ratios in your head.
>>2949671It's not worth crying over, but the "art" IS trash. This feels like getting offended by Marilyn Manson all over again up to and including the fact that its tryhard edgy garbage.
Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable. Seems like it did its job.
>>2949810Is it OK to have marxoid/marxish people? I'm not really meticulous about categorizing people.
I would have suggested Anwar Shaikh, but he just died a few days ago.
Robert Vienneau does not identify himself as a Marxist, but he is definitely inspired by classical and Marxist/Sraffian economics. And he knows a thing or two about Shaikh's work, so Vienneau could talk about Shaikh. Or Sraffa. Or both. See the blog:
https://robertvienneau.blogspot.com/Barbara and Karen Fields are American historians who put strong emphasis on the economic base. They certainly took some inspiration from Marx.
Loke Hagberg is a Swedish programmer/philosopher guy who works on prototypes for online democracy and economic planning. I find that stuff important. I don't know if he thinks of himself as a Marxist.
Peter Schadt has read Marx thoroughly and commented on theories of unequal exchange and on value theory as it applies to the tech sector. He has done some successful IRL labor organizing, too! But all his writings and talks are in German and I have no idea how good is English is.
>Research among Chinese transfeminine communities shows that DIY hormone therapy complicates commonly held ideas about risks and side effects in biomedicine. Hormone medication is colloquially referred to as "candy" (糖, táng) within the community, and trans women often refer to themselves as "[little] medicine girls" ([小]药娘, xiǎo yào niáng, xyn). DIY use also sometimes favors "feminine explosion" (雌爆, cíbào), high levels of estrogen achieved via injection, such as Progynon, which has not been determined by research to be more advantageous.
>It has developed both as an anti-censorship strategy as well as a way to show the euphoric yet ordinary nature of taking hormones. This novel way of looking at hormonal sex development is sometimes called "exo-crinology".
>The pink spiral product logo, used by estrogen manufacturer Bayer, and by extension the similar logo of the Debian operating system, has become widely associated with the transgender community, used in everyday items like badges, pins, plush keychains, hair clips, and mouse pads.
tfw you will never live as a trans woman in an AES country
Also the fucking Debian thing lmao. What is it with trans women being into niche interests like Linux or analog synthesizers, is it autism?
>>2950102
You delete your own posts more than the Jannies do. TERF island isles north down syndrome motherfucker.
Try being a trans woman AND doing one of the hardest majors in college (Electrical Engineering), I feel like I’m playing Dark Souls in real life
>>2950109
>>2950110
Ypu are a funny guy. I appreciate how your trolling is interactive.
>>2950114
Respect. 🙏
>>2950134"Too smart for your own good?" Lol. I would like to see a study that would probably show that trans are the smartest cohort by miles. I am only halfway autistic, not autism deluxe.
>>2950135But why would intelligence coincide with gender confusion?
I think it is more the autism. Even Ted Kaczynski had dysphoria.
>>2950136Because you live in the mental space, where anything is possible.
>>2950134i'm convinced everyone knows why but we're all just uncomfortable with giving AGP-theory any kind of "win" so we hide behind concepts like transhumanism being more appealing to programmers/tech nerds.
>>2950140>everyone knows why>AGPI'm asking why programmers in particular.
Are programmers in particular more likely to be AGP?
>>2950141Yeah, because programming is a space that is(or was up until recently) 99% men, and a high percentage of those men are lonely virgins desperate for female attention or even just the presence of females, it kinda makes sense that trans women are fulfilling a feminine role within an all-male community. I'm kinda wondering if there's even some kind of biological programming that compels those within an all-male or all-female space to take up the opposite gender role just to fulfill a biological demand.
this would somewhat imply that transgenderism is not inherent to the individual but heavily influenced by environment, but i think we already knew that. the idea that someone's choice of profession could lead them down the path to putting on trans girl socks and starting an onlyfans for anime cosplays is kinda funny.
>>2950143>an all-male space leads to the feminisation of select malesBut the point of AGP is that they're attracted to women, not men
In Blanchardian typology, its HSTS who are attracted to men
Why are all chinese people on western social media platforms retarded "great replacement" rightoids?
>>2950164Because Lassalle won.
>>2950164China stopped being communist, that's why.
>>2950141>>2950136Anyway it what it is, you don't want to compete as men with the rest of us. No, you are a special case. You were born with a dick and balls but, you are actually a woman. I wish the transmen were more advocates for our gender.
>>2950178Another thing I find funny about it is western China fans will say "no China is actually very democratic, look at these grassroots elections were people choose representatives to their local government" while Chinese nationalists will just say "democracy is bad, look at what it's doing to the west". Although to be fair, this could be a language thing. The Chinese user might use "democracy" to mean the US electoral system specifically.
>>2950180Everyone wants to conceive of China in their own image.
Nobody wants to accept a China on its own terms.
>>2950178But what about le "people's billionaire"? Kek.
>>2950181yes, the point is that they'repeoples billionaires, precisely
nothing wrong with having money-handlers who have no political power
>>2950184>le wholesome chungus billionairesWhy doesn't the CCP tax their money away?
>>2950183Good point, I remember that Democracy index thing. To be clear, I'm talking specifically about Chinese people with VPNs and twitter accounts who seem to lean rightoid.
>>2950181William Ding lol
>>2950188why would they tax away their own money someone is merely holding for them?
they dont have to tax shit, they can just seize entire companies when a billionaire displeases them
>>2950191>their own moneySo China just has ceremonial billionaires, then?
You're quite confused.
>>2950193Also, page nine. Seems like most of the west has a different idea of the purpose of democracy compared to China.
>>2950193Also Israel being by far the most hated country lol
>>2950134it would be easy to say that, because they only interact with women through media, they have an idealized and very appealing image of womanhood; also, they are in permanent contact with the worst tendencies of the male population: class tyranny, class humiliation, squalid pettiness, arrogance, pedantry, envy, etc.
but I find it hard to believe that this alone would compel someone to subject themselves to the transition process. maybe there is also the fact that programming is a rather individual activity, even when done in groups, like many other crafts, it is impersonal meditation, so to speak. could
petite bourgeois subjectivism be a part of it?
and I don't like the biological determinism of it, but maybe there is something material contributing to it
>>2950171people talk about scratching liberals
scratch a nationalist and a cuck bleeds
>>2950196No surprise there really
scratch a communist and a revisionist bleeds
>>2950197Looking online, the question was even raised at least 7 years ago as to the prolific nature of trans programmers. It's a cultural stereotype for a reason, so its not just correlated, but caused by a common attribute. I would guess it's the neurodivergence, since gender deviance is noted to be more common with autistic people:
<As around 1.1% of the UK population is estimated to be on the autistic spectrum, this result would suggest that somewhere between 3.5.-6.5% of transgender and gender-diverse adults is on the autistic spectrum.https://www.cam.ac.uk/research/news/transgender-and-gender-diverse-individuals-are-more-likely-to-be-autistic-and-report-higher-autisticBeing trans makes you 300–600% more likely to identify as autistic than the general public. Programmers are known to be autists. So, the biological aspect would be neurodivergence, but the greater question would be why autistic males feel a greater need to identify this way. In a different culture, it would presumably manifest differently.
null suicide soon 🙏
>>2950205>3.5%>but if we extrapolate it, we can say there is a 300% differenceuntrustworthy angle. besides, even if it was true it is only 3.5% of trans people
>>2950229That's how everyone use statistics, they're like 400% increase in murders and it's 0.6% instead of 0.2,it just sounds so much more interesting
Here is a Socratic dialogue I wrote on the topic of this video:
>atheism makes no sense
<why?
>because morality and logic
<okay, so let's establish morality and logic: is it wrong to kill people?
>yes
<but if God told you to murder people, would it then be good?
>but God wouldn't do that.
<God told Abraham to murder Isaac. Was Abraham justified?
>yes…
<okay, so murder is wrong, unless God tells you to murder.
>I suppose so.
<so, murder isn't wrong, if God tells you to do it. Is rape wrong? Etc.
>what's your point?
<my point is that morality is not subject to law, but to whim. So, if in my reason, I contradict God by defying his command to murder, I am immoral, but if I incline to murder my son, I violate the moral law. The Pharisees were convicted in the law, so are guiltless. How should we know the Son of God if the law does not apply to Him? How should we respect the authority of God if he is a hypocrite? Does this suffice?
>I'm bored of this. How do you derive your godless morality, then?
<just as we began. Ask me if murder is wrong, and I say yes. But how do I judge that murder is wrong and why what means? By reason.
>but if you accept reason, you accept logic, and logic is immaterial
<howso?
>because the laws of logic are abstract. They are not empirical.
<true enough. Now, wouldn't you say that we are determined to logic?
>of course, because of our rational soul
<well, let's not jump ahead. What determines us in reasoning?
>it is the necessity of judgement in a sequence. One moves another.
<right; identity produces the same, contradiction is otherness, etc. But in this, don't we find a curious relation to physical motion?
>how do you mean?
<well, if necessity inclines the certainty of judgement, where objects of the mind move in a sequence to a final end, is this not implying an internal motion, say, between the start and end of a series of moves?
>perhaps, but please continue.
<certainly. If we begin with a claim, it then has cause to another claim, and so the sequence of logic is causal, determined, necessitated, etc. within a chain or series of causes. This is motion, as seen in reality.
>okay, so what's your point?
<my point is that as physical beings we are determined by motion, and as mental beings, we are determined by motion. What rules heaven and earth is the same principle, and so one need not deny physical reality to affirm the mental, or vice versa. Reason is inherent in both.
>so, what are you saying?
<I am saying that the real is rational and that reason is real. If our minds evolved out of matter, it then resembles what is evident in it.
>I don't even know how we got here.
<but we did arrive here by a certain sequence of logic, no? Anyway, the question is, how do we know something is immoral. Because it must also be irrational; unnecessary. I say this, whilst you say that what is immoral is only that which God forbids. Morality to you is irrational, since it does not spring from the judgement of reason, but only loyalty.
>>2950229>extrapolateNo, its a statistical description.
3 is 300% greater than 1. You just can't into maths.
>>2950244You'll notice that he only uses Communist examples and not Hitler.
A bit telling, wouldn't you say?
>>2950238I cba watching 23 minutes of this shit but why would the existence of God mean there was actual objective morality? Why would that not just be another set of arbitrary rules enforced by threat of eternal damnation? Mind you, even if God is real and morality is indeed objective because of this, there appears to be no indication we have any ability to figure out what either God or morailty is.
>>2950268Precisely.
Plato explains this in his dialogue "Euthyphro".
If God = Good, then either God is forced to be good, limiting his power, or Good is whatever God says, in which case, there is no real Good. It is in line with the question "can God create a stone he cannot lift?" If so, he is not all-powerful, and if not, he is not all-powerful. So, God denies the possibility of an absolute morality, and absolute morality denies the possibility of God. Again, we return to the question, "is murder wrong?" Yes – except if God says so. So, there is no morality. The problem is that the concept of God and morality are opposed.
Further is the argument attributed to Epicurus:
Omnipotence contradicts omnibenevolence, so God cannot be good.
>if God is real and morality is indeed objective because of this,As I show, it is the opposite. God excludes any moral possibility.
>>2950268>>2950275There is a convoluted theology of the point in the Bible itself.
We read that Jesus never came to abolish the law, but to fulfill it – he says this even as he breaks the law. He thus appeals to what is termed by Paul, as the differencre between the "letter" and "spirit" of the law. For example, in Matthew 12, we read that Jesus plucks grain on the Sabbath, breaking the law, but the greater law is hunger, as Jesus explains. This seems relativistic and circumstantial, but it has a greater rationale. Too, we read in Matthew 12 and Luke 15, connection between the parables of lost sheep, that even on the Sabbath shall a man rejoice more greatly at saving 1 sheep than keeping 99. Here, the spirit of the law outweighs the letter by what we may term as a "greater good", which nonetheless requires a primary transgression. It is the same logic employed by Plato in his "noble lie"; that it is better to negate virtue (e.g. truth) so as to allow a greater virtue. Here then, what is best is that which is last, rather than first. We then suppose that all evil is for the ends of a greater good, as Jesus says in John 9, that the negation of negation is best to glorify God. But this has its own problems. If I stab you, then heal you, I negate the negation, but meaninglessly. Too, if God is omnipotent, consequentialism is futile. The point here though is that there are two laws; the letter and spirit. The spirit negates the letter, so is affirmed by its abolition; sublation. The issue is that this presumes the subjectivity of time – we can say "all's well that end's well", but for God, nothing begins, so cannot end. So, God's glory is apparently proven by negating a negation, but the negation doesn't have to exist in the first place, unless there is no God.
>>2950275Would you say any position of moral realism could be correct at all? It bothers me sometimes that I know fuck all about moral philosophy and just live life essentially as a nihilist out of pure ignorance.
>>2949830You've got brain problems
>>2950341What an absolutely idiotic meme lmao
>>2950345It's posted in a place called r/Palestinian_Violence , what would you expect
>>2950348I mean, the Confederates? Really?
>>2950238>>because the laws of logic are abstract. They are not empirical.WRONG! Logic is nothing but 0s and 1s which we can model in nature with electrical circuits. Computers are CONCRETE LOGIC. Logic is MATERIALIST.
>>2950248Like half of these people will transition at 25 the latest when they realize they can't be twinks/femboys forever
The other half will just become regular guys
>>2950268>>2950275There's literally no reason to accept the premise that a God, if one existed, would be good to begin with.
What if there were a God but he was either incompetent or evil, hmm?
Why are the Red Scare subreddits so transphobic? I’m a trans woman and I like to browse them because I’m intererested in topics like film and literature, but it seems like most of the userbase are cis women and gay men who resent us for some reason.
It’s funny because I can see a lot of crossover between them and /lgbt/.
A crossover between the 4tran and RS communities would be the worst place on the internet, it’s for the better that these two stay apart
>>2950692A good part of Red Scare culture is that they hate nerds (because they want to LARP as mean girls) and the online trans community has become dominated by AGP who are obsessed with stuff like Fallout New Vegas so they’re kind of natural enemies
>>2950711Yes they associate the trans / queer community with buttertroll Pokemon players while they pretend to be the cool mean kids from a Bret Easton Ellis Novel
tfw trans woman who mostly hangs out in cis female and gay make spaces because I want to talk about fashion and pop music instead of fucking deltarune or whatever they talk about in these trans subreddits
HSTS = effeminate gay men who transitioned
AGP = nerds who couldn’t fit into traditional masculinity and transitioned
>>2950692The user base is literally 90% CT refugees that want to pretend they're above gay chinese jokes. Whatever women there have long left for one of the splinter subs.
>>2950320It depends on what we mean by morality.
Typically, morality concerns practice; that which we should or should not do, either as a means to an end, or as an end in itself. In the first case, the ends justify the means, and in the second, the ends and the means are identical. Children often ask each other moral dilemmas to penetrate this: "would you rather?" We must also ask ourselves if there is anything that we would never do, no matter the consequence. For example, Satan offers Jesus all the kingdoms of the earth, but Jesus declines. Where we betray our moral "principles", we "sell our soul" in common verbage.
So, there are two cases; (i) "consequentialism" – the morality that the ends justify the means (e.g. Plato's noble lie, for a "greater good"). The other moral case is (ii) "deontology" – the morality that the ends of an act is considered in itself, so one cannot do it out of duty; necessity (e.g. Jesus not selling his soul, even for all of the earth). Conversely, one has the need to also perform certain acts. So then, in both, there is a positive and negative aspect; what we ought to do, and what we ought not to do. Adolescent boys often ask each other these questions, "would you do [shameful thing] for [x amount of money]?" Here, this introduces a moral question. If one will not accept the money under any cost, we say that this person has "principles". A moral principle cannot be broken, so the principled person has a belief so strong that they would rather suffer than to submit to falsehood.
I say "falsehood" in place of immorality, because if one "believes" in a moral principle, they imagine it to be "true", no? Why else would you believe in something if you didn't believe in it? So then, all morality is not just practical; the practical reveals a theoretical consideration. So, if I ask you the question "is there anything you wouldn't do for money?" Or "is there anything you wouldn't do even if you could get away with it?" Then you are a moral realist, because now you have stepped over mere consequentialism into a sense of moral duty. I would further state that one's genuine politics reflects one's morality. There are political grifters who would "sell their soul" for money, but there are also political martyrs, who have "political principles". So, I think God complicates things, since Heaven/Hell is a consequence of activity, so is sought as a means to an end. Only where an action is done, or not done, without reward, is an act truly moral. So, I would say that morality is that which you would not do, even if you could get away with it – therefore, I suspect you are not a moral "nihilist" 🙂
>>2950812Assumed this since i watched the one about the nonce film director.
Had to assume it was made up because nobody half-sane or worthy of watching even as popcorn would have this reaction and whimsy to such serious claims, playing it off for gags.
Having said that, the director guy is probably still an absolute wrong 'un though.
>>2950803I think I get what you're saying, but the reason I say I'm a nihilist is because I feel like there's nothing grounding the principles I definitely do have. I could seriously endanger people's wellbeing by halfassing my job every day so I can get home to my family early, but I don't because that is not right. Why is that not right? Well… Because it's just not bro trust me. Maybe nihilist isn't the right word, perhaps vulgar utilitarian would be more accurate. You could say morality is real, but that at the end of the day it is pretty much arbitrary what set of moral prinicples an individual holds or the importance they attribute to them. And if that is the case, why is one set of principles more correct than another? Is moral realism correct if there is not some universal standard by which to judge an individuals actions?
Of course, moral principles are not really arbitrary, because, as the saying goes, we live in a society, so in that sense one could also say morality is also real. That is, a product of material reality which includes human beings and the social formations they inhabit. Saying morality doesn't exists would then be no different than saying money isn't real, despite the fact you can definitely take your fake money and go to the store to buy very real use values.
Idk man >>2951026>Why is that not right? Well… Because it's just not bro trust me. It does become circular. A thing is wrong because it's wrong, and so on, which is irrational. To apply reason to morality is to rationalise why we at least feel that a thing is wrong, rather than know it – that's why I say moral principles are beliefs (e.g. strong opinions), not factual. If it could be known, we could offer proof, so we do not actually know.
>vulgar utilitarianWell, utility is considered both absolutely and relatively, as well as positively and negatively. In view of negative utility, death is best for all things, since this means a lack of displeasure. It seems rational to kill ourselves to end suffering, yet we cling to life, and wish others to do the same. Is life then moral or immoral? For positive utility, there is the idea of mutual benefit, or fairness, and the idea of one-sided gain. If considered absolutely, however, absolute one-sided gain could be justified so long as a minority serves to please a majority. This is the typical psychology of scapegoating. Say, a child is passed around to a bunch of adults for the sake of sexual pleasure. Here, one victim serves many victors. So, utility is increased, but considered totally. Critics of utilitarianism refer to such things as "utility monsters" where it is converse, of majorities serving priviliged minorities, e.g. slavery. So, if "utility" is the moral object, it cannot serve itself while it serves all. Either it will be shared, to a lower intensity, or it will be hoarded.
>Is moral realism correct if there is not some universal standard by which to judge an individuals actions?Well, the fact that we can reason about morality shows that there is "something" to discuss. I doubt we can be like Moses and deliver the moral law, but at the same time, we see recurrence of moral themes throughout history. It's my belief that morality doesn't really change in history. Jesus spoke of universal love. We still speak of universal love.
>we live in a societyBut don't you find an interesting phenomenon between the letter and spirit of the law? The ruling class preach morals which they don't follow, like how parents say "do as I say, not as I do". The child internalises morality which the parent betrays. As a result, the child is more moral than the parent. I would compare this to Hegel's master-servant dialectic. The master is weakened by his mastery. Marx:
<The English Established Church, e.g., will more readily pardon an attack on 38 of its 39 articles than on 1/39 of its income. Now-a-days atheism is culpa levis [a relatively slight sin, c.f. mortal sin], as compared with criticism of existing property relations. https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1867-c1/p1.htmNotice then how hypocrisy doesn't reveal the unreality of morals, but the reality of morals, since a hypocrite fails to practice one's ideals. To me, the persistence of moral ideals proves that morals are real. Where and what morals are "in themselves" is another discussion.
>>2951026>>2951041Sorry, to pardon myself, I will correct what I said.
I shouldn't say that moral realism is "proven" by anything.
Rather, moral intuition points to "something" beyond immediate reality.
If you are a Marxist, this would indeed be "society", but morality also shows its own transhistorical character, so is immanently universal. The bourgeois enlightenment was about realising this universality, but by the rise of capitalism, liberalism turned to a cynical self-interest, as opposed to utopian visions. So, the real socialist critique to me is that the bourgeoisie are hypocrites, not that their moral intuition is wrong.
>>2951041>>2951052>>2951026As per my Socratic dialogue:
>>2950238We see that logic is a description of need; necessity is what determines a sequence of reasoning. If morality is rational, then it must also be considered in regard to need. For the human being, his primary need is survival, making his most immediate object the satiety of food and drink. Without these, man cannot fulfill his needs, and so cannot be purposeful (e.g. teleological) of his own being. So then, need comports primarily to purpose or meaning, which begins in feeding and drinking. To be a human being is to be determined to these ends, and so to give the greatest meaning to one's survival. This then explains why we cling to life, since one's being is self-determined. What then is our being? Human being. What is best (i.e. most moral) for human beings? That which satisfies its needs, and so on. Politically, isn't socialism fundamentally a moral theory of providing for the needs of humanity generally, rather than particularly?
In terms of needs themselves, there are different ideas; Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" is most famous, and it has a similar reasoning to the primary and secondary needs in the economist, Carl Menger's system. Once we find satiety in primary needs (e.g. food, drink, shelter), we then become superfluous, or increasingly needless in our desires. Plato discusses this in terms of "wealth". If health is simply the negation of sickness, then wealth is the negation of poverty. The rich man then is poorest, since he requires the most things to satisfy his needs (the desire for luxury itself proves poverty). If we don't need much, we are the richest man, and so on. So then, the difference between need and want is the same difference between hunger and gluttony. So then, wouldn't you say that "need" defines morality, in terms of what is most essential to our own human being, firstly? Need defines morality, since it is logical, and reality itself is a rational entity.
>>2951060Something something… I wish both sides could lose?
Since Pahlavists want to be bombed so badly, it would be the best of all possible worlds to do so.
>>2951067>Since Pahlavists want to be bombed so badly, it would be the best of all possible worlds to do so.99% of "Pahlavists" live in the US or Europe and would be unaffected by bombing Iran.
"ai coding is fine but ai art is bad and wrong"
there's materialist zero logic to this
oung Rock is genuinely such a fucking insane concept for a show. The show itself is essentially a generic sitcom, but what makes it so bizarre is just how radically its portrayal of reality differs from what we know about Dwayne Johnson's actual childhood.
The show depicts young Dwayne growing up in a fairly typical sitcom family, a workaholic but loving father and a no-nonsense but equally loving mother. And that's what makes it so fucking insane. In reality Dwayne's father, Rocky Johnson, was constantly cheating to his wife, frequently absent and faced multiple sexual assault allegations, including allegations involving minors. the last one's being when he was a guidance councilor at a community center in 2000.
Dwayne's mother cause of this life, struggled with depression, and when Dwayne was 15, she attempted to kill herself by walking into oncoming traffic. Dwayne and his siblings had to restrain her physically from killing herself.
And Dwayne who signed off on the show and serves as its narrator depicts this family dynamic as that of a sitcom-loving family, which is fucking insane.
>>2951132A lot of wrestlers, especially from the era that Rocky Johnson competed in, had questionable morals to put it mildly. The wrestler Jake "the Snake" Roberts father, Grizzly Smith, was a notorious pedophile who may have murdered one of his daughters/rape victims. Another wrestler Buck Zumhoff is currently serving a long stretch for molesting his daughter and he had served time before for another sex assault too. Those are just two of the most infamous.
>>2951159I'm well aware of that, what I find insane is presenting that life-style as a wholesome sitcom family, presenting your pedophile father who you cut contact with as a loving family man whose only flaw is that he works too hard.
>>2951159roidfags be raping. roidfags be noncing.
>>2951159>Aurelian Smith Jr.[7] was born in Gainesville, Texas. His father, Aurelian "Grizzly" Smith (1932–2010), also a wrestler, left his mother when she was 17 by which time she had given birth to another child. Roberts lived with his grandmother until she died in 1966, forcing him to move back to live with his father and his new wife. Roberts had a strained relationship with his pedophilic father,[8] and was sexually and physically abused by his stepmother during his childhood, which included vaginal penetration - his father was doing the same thing to his daughters (Aurelian Jr.'s sisters) too.[8] He has a half-brother, Michael Smith, and a half-sister, Robin Smith, both of whom also became wrestlers. During the late 1980s, all three wrestled at the same time for the WWF (now WWE).[9] >>2951171It might be because pro wrestling eventually became promoted as a family friendly or at least a child friendly or specifically boy friendly form of entertainment. That might've actually made it easier for those sleazier types to operate. Pro wrestling was always a fairly sleazy business, probably like most of them really. It'd be interesting if they made fictional show about pro wrestling that dealt with the darker aspects of the business. There was that about GLOW wrestling but never watched it. Also that Wrestler movie though I don't know if any have touched the pedophile and sex assault controversies.
>>2951336SHARTduro was an evangeliKKKal so no surprise he starts turning Zionist
>>2951365She made Oblivion
>>2951365it's kinda funny people called Channel 5 the new Vice News and he's making the same mistakes that killed Vice News by just promoting shitty people and grifters out of a vapid sense of "public interest". A few months ago he even had to apologize to his fans because HUNTER BIDEN tried to rugpull Channel 5 viewers with a crypto scam after getting the Channel 5 mailing list from Andrew.
>>2951342the tradcath larper was raised jewish and the artist was triggering her was raised catholic
>>2951342Why the fuck is she crying
>>2951375She just has a lot of feelings about beauty and aesthetics okay
>>2951159>>2951183The culture was pretty toxic. You had these gigantic men who were treated like superheroes, all of whom were on steroids and whatever drugs were popular at the time (cocaine, acid, LSD), constantly starting trouble.
There’s a podcast featuring The Undertaker in which he talks about the bone street krew, an unofficial friend group consisting of him, Yokozuna, The Godfather and a few other guys. He tells a story about going to a club, and so these gigantic guys, dressed in leather jackets, would walk in and everyone else would move away from the best seats. They ordered beers but had to leave their seats for some reason. When they returned hours later, their seats were still empty and their beers were still sitting there untouched. They got a kick out of that.
>>2951534>You know what the scariest parts about this is? Lack of medical care available for americans. Not even animals are treated this badly.
>>2951536In the UK we have the NHS and yet the mental health care is somehow worse.
I have said this before and will say again. Rest of the world should send humanitarian aid to USA.
>>2951534This woman is a classic schizophrenic, where is the evidence that she has been fucked with by powerful people?
>>2950973Who is your favorite gay guy in this vid anons? I'm partial to skinny bald guy with glasses or black tanktop asian guy
>>2951598Best: Muscly Asian
Worst: Agent Kochinski
>>2951599>Agent KochinskiThere's at least three Agent Kochinski variants there tho
>>2951534it's interesting that "the voice" that schizophrenics hear is always in their first language
>>2951534Picture a society where techbros run the underlying infrastructure of the state, regardless of any assurances. Where every interation you have with people, money or technology is centralized under the control of a few oligarchs. Every action you take is measured, analyzed and, if you happen to be worth the effort, recorded. Then some vast network of computers decides how life is going to go for you. Silently, without so much as a single piece of paper being signed, your life is decided for you.
Was that bad luck? Or did your job applications get sent to the bottom of every stack because your secret PalantirScore is too low? Nobody knows, the SAAS office software provider swears nobody has a back door. That's just conspiracy. You can rent freely, and cheaply, everybody does it. Personal (read: non-cloud, local) computing is such an environmental unfriendly thing! Such waste.They don't need to control your mind when so much of your environment relies on tech.
The west is building a prototype in Ukraine. The first few post-war years will be interesting to watch. The entire state bureaucracy is being privatized and outsourced to western techbros with zero transparency.
>>2951534Is this HannahWurld person a good candidate for advancing the TempleOS project or nah?
This is a very good video, but I feel the need to criticise the numerical realism applied to the fifth case of mathematical scepticism. It is said that Pi as a "really long number" cannot be fully represented (e.g. as an infinity), but it actually exists (e.g. in itself). Does it though? Where do numbers actually exist? Here is then the category error, confusing quantity and number. Numbers are representatives, and quantities are abstractions. A real quantity is a contradiction in terms, the same way that nature does not make triangles, yet triangles are the basis of all further geometry (e.g. Euclid's Elements). Supposing "numbers" to really exist begins in the fallacy of supposing "quantity" to really exist. The sixth point also invokes the problems of abstraction, as given in the terms of any set. Infinity is simultaneously a finitude (e.g. a set), so there is no infinity, except as a representation of a set, which in itself is singular. But I will ask you anons, is mathematics discovered?
>>2951342Oh joy, crocodile tears done by the fake "Tradcath" (Protestant LARPing as a Catholic) influencer.
Her tears are all part of the act.
>>2951342Isn't she the daughter of an oil tycoon?
>>2951364I'd say in LatAm they maybe are.
>>2951963I'm sorry but I'm stupid and my brain if filled with bourgeois sophistry; therefore, I cannot accept what you're saying
>>2951963I think we moved beyond Cartesian dualism.
>>2952034>I think we moved beyond Cartesian dualism.Have we, though?
You can't reconcile the real and the abstract. Both are unconditonal.
The curiosity of abstraction is that it determines its own ends, so is also concrete. For example, a triangle counts as an abstract fact, not an abstract fiction. You can't even imagine a 4-sided triangle, say. It is still the case that abstractions are not real, despite having truth.
>>2952042>>2952047<le HR women!Tell us you are PMCs without telling us.
>>2952052sorry I don't care what a "spiritual atheist" has to say about Jordan Peterson's postmodern but not postmodern Christianity
>>2952053What is the point if Hasan isn't there to shill capitalism
>>2952080He really strikes me as the kind of guy who if he had teenage fans he'd most definitely be trying to sleep with them, but also has devised a system he's put a lot of thought into that he thinks will stop him getting caught.
>>29511250, he's going to triple down on the zionist shit and fully embrace vice signaling
>>2952125And the wife will back his return so he can continue to bring in the cash.
>>2952160cytube link
https://tv.leftypol.org/r/Streaming(unless the dorks disable embedding)
>>2951342Can you just be offended by shit and the attention economy will give you tokens?
Because I find most of existence highly offensive
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>>2952042There was a fascist post about spiritual girls and how you might 'enlighten' them toward fascism, I suppose you could just as easily 'enlighten' them toward communism in the same way.
>>2952210Communism is materialist and anti-SSpirituality tho
>>2952210Spiritualism is only a hair's breadth away from fascism, while not being much like communism at all
>>2952210If the same way isn't building class consciousness then it isn't going to work and you are retarded.
>>2952053Watching it right now, it's just a bunch of freaks spouting the most cliche talking points ("lobbying is voting with your money" "uyghur extermination camps" "what about punk rock bro"), and Haz infuriates me once again because he still unable to respond with good arguments.
>>2952300I think any of the guys from Midwestern Marx would do a better job
>>2952246Incredible things are happening in China
>>2952246The spirit of Mao got stuck in the John Deere again.
>>2952168>>2952066>>2952053holy shit this was so boring, he didn't chimp out even a little bit and mostly fielded the most stock anticommunist canards you ever heard
>>2952426Couture by Tetsuya Nomura
>>2952426It's a shame she's a fascoid grifter because, fuck, would
>>2952426>because I don't think any of these people are really Jewish.That ending came out of left field. What the hell did that have to do with anything.
>>2952442I was ripping on this woman and some other woman was getting mad at me for making fun of a middle aged woman lol. This chick is 27 and younger than the other woman who was getting offended(who had no idea who this War on Beauty chick is.)
>>2952442She cleans up well and looks fine but I think a lot of this "war on beauty" stuff is projection outwards. She's really very insecure about her appearance.
>>2952442eh she just looks like every white girl ever if you live in a big city. The fact she's a billionaire's daughter and looks so mid after probably dozens of plastic surgeries is kinda sad. Like at least Ivanka Trump looks like a blow up sex doll after all those surgeries. This chick just looks certifiably Mid.
>>2952444her audience wants her to blame the jews (unaware she is jewish)
>>2952490>The essence of all art is rage baiting the soul into feeling something.trve
>>2952243ok i was pretty meh about the ai slop but then the end had me rollin
>>2952354>mostly fielded the most stock anticommunist canards you ever heardyou only need stock anticommunist canards to keep people brainwashed. lies become "common sense" when repeated often
>>2952504The bit with the phone got me
>>2952300>and Haz infuriates me once again because he still unable to respond with good arguments.wow maybe because his fuckin job is to make communism look like retarded maga chud shit just like Hasan's job is to make communism look like standard liberalism
>>2952506Only when they don’t run into immediate anecdotal daily realities
>>2952508They’re on the same payroll and also gay with each other
>>2952510so much hair, so much sweat, and they're both anatolian too
>>2952511Haz is the insecure bottom
>>2944308isn't it interesting how pedophilia is a behavior which develops from the patriarchal social structure, and yet, this 'pedo-hunter' content is produced to flatter the male ego as being a 'protector' of children.
I think the real nature of this content has nothing to do with 'protecting children', it exists as a backlash to the exploitation of children which happens outside the acceptable boundries of patriarchal society; preists can abuse children, fathers can abuse children, but a line is drawn when men attempt to abuse a child which is not 'rightfuly theirs to abuse'.
Reddit is now a website purely for llms, having an actual opinion (literally any opinion that isn't in line with silicon valley freaks) will get you banned, it's pretty much linkedin at this point.
>>2952611x dot com née twitter is also linkedin probably even more than reddit, since that's where CEOs post their shit. i'm not even exaggerating, literally i had some town square bullshit with the big cheese in the place i work at and he was asking employees to juice the company on x.com and linkedin
>>2952668the kaiser simply sent a basket of exiled "radicals" (how he envisioned it) back to russia without a care in the world for whether they were bolshevik, menshevik, anarchist, liberal, or whatever. why? because he saw them as a destabilizing element against his WW1 enemy. lenin gladly accepted that help because it was the easiest and safest way to get back into russia after the february revolution and start pushing for revolutionary defeatism and start attacking the provisional government. not all "color revolutions" are made equal, we judge them by their results
>>2952669gregory gapon led the 1905 revolution, which lenin described as the dressing rehearsal for 1917, while under the Okhrana payroll. the reality is glowies are not omnipotent and sometimes counterproductive
>>2952525This game isn't very good.
>>2952684He should sign his assests over to his side chick and work under the table for cash only. Maybe leave California and get a job then quit it when they find out. Rinse and repeat.
>>2952683whatever incipient movement that's not just generalized anti-incumbent sentiment is going to die in january when hakeem jeffries is named speaker of the house and hasan makes his audience swallow the L, all the energy spent on the midterms will be wasted ahead of 2028.
>>2952671hell even ISIS counts as that if we want modern exemples,getting paid doesn't make you an unthinking puppet to the guy giving you money,it's just the path of least resistance
>>2952732The explanation is always that you are in fact retarded.
>>2952732Commodified outrage drives engagement on social media platforms, so there are financial incentives to generate retarded culture war idpol slop images like the one you posted
>>2952737why are you upset?
>>2952738that makes sense and i'm sure it was posted by some right-wing grifter account based in south asia. but i can't deny feminist media is always ugly as fuck. i was wondering if there's some theory explanation for it or it's just an aesthetic choice that all feminists randomly subscribe to wanting to look like slobs.
>>2952732>if I don't see boobas and Stellar Blade cleavage and flashing level of unrealistic beauty and fitness, it's ugly.you need to go back.
>>2952743>feminist mediai wont even click the thumbnail but i 100% guarantee there's nothing anywhere close to "feminist media" in that video
>>2952746i don't think it's even a video i just took that image from /v/ and wanted to see if any of you guys had an opinion on it.
>>2952743Are you trying to prove my hypothesis that you are retarded?
>>2952749well my opinion is that none of those are "feminist media" to begin with
>>2952743>feminist mediaI don't really know what you mean by that. Like the barbie movie? I think Margot Robbie is pretty hot tho tbh
>>2952426lol she doesn't know how to pronounce jeffrey deitch lol
>>2952761I'm struggling to think of
any video game I would describe as feminist media tbh. Most games are about riding trucks or slaying things with a sword or whatever.
Will GTA 6 feminist media? It has a girlboss latina main character. She can get it tho, so it kind of goes against anon's point
Would be great if he could qualify what he means
>>2952765>Besides, a lot of you are so autistic that anything isn't generic flat anime same face looks ugly to you.not true, I think a lot of non-anime but still asian-inspired games like Resident Evil have really attractive female characters.
>Human noses and cheekbones scare you.real people don't have supermodel gaunt faces either though. that's just meth/plastic surgery face that for whatever reason the beauty industry idolizes. like the argument that the characters in that image are more sincere or a more accurate portrayal of femininity just seems wrong to me. the ghost of yotei character is probably the most "real" and even then its just because they took a very average looking actress and scanned her face without any artistic elements being added, which imo is kinda lame.
>>2952764>Would be great if he could qualify what he meansfrom top left to bottom right the games in that image are Ghosts of Yotei, Star Wars Outlaws, Last of Us II(I think or some other Naughty Dog slop), and Kingdom Come Deliverance II.
>>2952770he asks you to qualify what do you mean by feminist media, not list the games in the image. you really are stupid in a way only the unemployable can afford.
>>2952767True, Disco is feminist media. Klaasje can get it as well tho.
>>2952768Probably, probably
>>2952770>Ghosts of Yotei, Star Wars Outlaws, Last of Us II(I think or some other Naughty Dog slop), and Kingdom Come Deliverance IIThose are just games tho, what makes them feminist media? Is it what the anon above said about it not being anime slop/the women wear clothes?
>>2952771It's pretty feminist coded I think, I never played it but she looks like a female gigachad
>>2952732>>2952768The real materialist question is why goymers spend time yelling about woke and titties in vydia, while music and book fans don't and are actually normal.
>>2952764not explicitly feminist but Shion from xenosaga is the weltgeist o algo
Overwatch is a feminist game.
>>2952785Thats not the same girl uygha
>>2952785Nyooooo!! We must fight beauty harder!
>>2952786It's a cartoon character from an unreleased video game uygha. She's not real. They can make her look like whatever they want.
https://www.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1482712603664317&id=TheGBSGaming&seo_visit=1# >>2952781perhaps because most "goymers" are incels….? We need some social science studies to corroborate.
>>2952783>Shion from xenosaga<Shion as seen in Xenosaga Episode I has been called "cute" and "likable" by critics.[19][20] IGN also praised the more realistic character designs seen in Episode II, noting that Shion's design became "more flattering", having "been injected with ye old 'Babe Serum.'"[21] RPGamer also praised the design change, though they felt that Shion's lack of glasses in that episode was "amusing".[22] In a review of the first volume of Xenosaga: The Animation, GameSpot compared Shion and KOS-MOS to "the ultimate fanboy fan-service pair", feeling that Shion was an example of a "cute, yet smart glasses girl".[23]
<Personalitywise, Shion has been described by GameSpot as being "pretty straightforward as a heroine, though maybe a little ditzy for someone who's supposedly one of the best scientists in the galaxy".[24] On the other hand, IGN felt that the character was "more complicated than she first lets on".[25] In a review of the Xenosaga anime, another reviewer from IGN noted that Shion's idealism and naivety were out of place considering her tragic past, and that it was annoying "since it seems to happen a lot with anime heroines".[23] GameSpy echoed this concern, stating that Shion was "often naïve to the point of unbelievability".[20] On voice acting, GameSpy felt Shion in Episode I was "excellent" despite the game not having "Hollywood-quality" acting. The site called the character a "calm center" around which the rest of the game is built.[26]Is there discourse around this character or something? Idgi
>>2952798I don't think all that naked is feminism, or close to be feminist, lol. Like, look at Rikku from FF-X2, and she's 17, lmao. Always women in fit outfit and showing too much skin is for male gaze. Which is not necessarily sexist or misogynistic, if one has the mental tools to understand that's unrealistic and it's not how women are most of the time, but is largely consumed by hollow men with a peanut for brain, so it reinforces their cultural perception about women.
Look at Aloy from Horizon Zero Dawn. That's how a game that is not looking to exploit male gaze looks like.
I don't think there's a good AAA
feminist game out there. Maybe Silent Hill f, and still…
>>2952791>Some people say thisWho?
>>2952798the average game reviewer hasn't read the books that the game title references.
She starts as a nerdy shy woman, and turns into an ubermensch world historical figure to overcome the eternal recurrence.
I'm not being hyperbolic, the games make heavy use of gnosticism, and german/hegelian philosophy.
Jungian gendered archetypes play a strong role, with the anima and animus being played directly by Mary Magdalen and Jesus Christ.
Shion's agency and will to power is key to the climax of the game.
Another gendered theme is the ideal woman, which is seen to be accomplished by two man-made androids, KOS-MOS and T-elos. Both are supreme in their function, but have very different aesthetics. Their struggle for self-determination is another theme.
I don't really know how to classify this, as it's not explicitly feminist, but still empowers women and gives them agency.
>>2952814>Horizon Zero Dawnwell they did decide to change the actress face for the sequel lol
>>2952764Well depends what we mean by feminism. Hollow Knight Silksong and Laika: Aged with Blood are feminist. If we mean feminism in a broad sense and not as a specific bourgeois ideology, then there are an uncountable number of games that are feminist.
>>2952817people on the internet, unnamed anonymous behind fake names and pictures posters in video reviews or game reviews.
>>2952836What's feminist about those games? How are they feminist media?
From what I can see the characters in those games are like dogs and bugs, so I don't know where to place them on the goonability scale
>>2952853>What's feminist about those games?nothing, he's just fucking stupid
>>2952781Because books and music aren't a visual medium?
Brooks or music neither require a high budget and there's ALOT of it. People typically read and listen to thr Brooks and music they Luke/are interested in.
For video games there's only a few big companies tuhat have the budget for AAA games so you're stuck with whatever they make (that's not my perspective, I don and don't think anyone should care for western 3D AAA slop).
If you want good artwork just play East Asian games some Indies are fine too
>>2952814>RikuAnd iirc she's also retarded, like actually. Not explicitly stated, beyond in-universe lol-so-random and having a prepubescent mental age. Also conveyed through everyone low key thinking she has the death drive of an unattended baby and needs to be protected.
She may be 17, but she acts like a low tween. Riku is fanservice for pedos. Who, despite their mediocrity, think so high of themselves that in order to fantasize about grooming a youth into a lover, the subject of the fantasy has to be downgraded to actual, in universe, mental retardation.
>>2952853Hornet is a strong independent fembug who don't need no manbug. Jokes aside I would argue Silksong is in fact feminist for portraying a female in a leading role without any exploitation of her sex appeal/romance or any prominent male characters involved in the story. It's very rare for a piece of media starring a woman to portray her as an independent entity rather than being a counterpart to a male(see:GTA6, TLoU, etc).
>>2951365>>2951368I low key think Andrew is being groomed like Charlie Kirk and Russel Brand. The doors of the grift-o-sphere open for these people and suddenly it becomes the path of least resistance to obscene amounts of money and clout. And then, the very same power who elevate them, throw them to the lions for some cheap spectacle.
Everyone loses when these climbers are given an easy path.
>>2952917People rating and comparing women like this on the base of attractiveness is vapid, infantile and quite chuddy actually.
>>2952921>>2952935i was gonna come in here and say "ironically the replies to the original tweet are all women" because that's what usually happens with these viral personality test fads, but in fact it's just a bunch of chuds projecting an entire personality and fantasizing about a future with AI GENERATED WOMEN
https://goyimx.com/cold_and_quiet/status/2120143114878758915humanity has completely lost the plot
>>2952952This dude definitely has csam on his hard drive
>>2952862I guess grooming is the new buzzword for people doing things reactionaries don't like. There's a minor asshurt wave on youtube right now because a trans woman made a cartoon with a scene where the male protagonist has drinks with the transfem protagonist, and is convinced to go on estrogen and transition. Rightoids have been crying about it being "grooming" non-stop.
>>2952900You have brain damage.
>>2952927>Startup Grifters dropping "entrepreneur" for "Founder""You see, I'm too important to be a mere
startup "entrepreneur". I'm a
Founder, my shitty ideas are not mere barely-proof of mostly-dogshit concepts, built by other people with the money I steal through a pyramid scheme. MY IDEAS will not gather dust in a dragon's hoard of patents at some transnational corporation."
"I'm a Founder, Peasant. I write my name upon things and call them mine. I'm just like ."
>>2953023 (me)
Just like [
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>>2953023
>THE FOUNDERSHector would be very proud.
>>2952921True but the girl on the left is really bretty
Revived from 2023/24, Link Arcana is an old school curated web directory, over 1200 sites, compared to the 300~ listed when the project was abandoned. Peep the solarpunk 'roku city''. Curation leans heavy marxist/socialist/anarchist/communist.
https://linkarcana.neocities.org/>>2953189omg he mentioned my favorite great man of history! im soying out!
>>2953189He should've done a live reading of Lenin's Appeal to Soldiers.
>>2953309At this point antisemitism is more or less justified
(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST) >>2953309I swear every other post from this guy is "DA JOOS " lmao
>>2953346it IS the hot topic amongst the nazis
>>2953346Jews are people and can be chauvinist and awful, outright villains sometimes, the vast majority support the existence of Israel. They demand to be treated as a vulnerable minority while raking in the privileges of the original WASP ruling class of the US. This is like complaining about Irish Republicans being critical of Ulsterites.
>>2953346socialism of the fools etc.
shit empanada has no theory, so he just parrots whatever is the most inflammatory (and therefore profitable for his personal brand) "radical" opinion around. which is why he falls for ZOGposting, transphobia,
>>2953349one or N of your claims could be true or not, that's not the point.
the point is that "DSA is essentially a racial chauvinist organization that places Jews on top of everyone else" is objectively a reactionary position because DSA is essentially a national chauvinist organization that places labor aristocrats of all "races" on top of everyone else, *in service* (unwitting or otherwise) of white supremacy.
<Ooooooh! PedoEmpanada said something OUTRAGEOUS again! I better cap this and post it on leftypol dot org. Later I will samefag a few saying how based he is for whatever reactionary nonsense he is spewing.
>>2953373I don't like this guy but this pedo smear is obviously bad faith and makes you look like a shill.
>>2953189what an embarrassing buffoon
>>2953309>>2953325people react to the ZOGposting and "Jews = Zionism" shit people like bad empanada post with "you know what maybe jews are bad and we should do another holocaust" and people still can't smell that the fuckers doing this are just antisemites trying to launder their retardation through opposing Israel.
Never forget that antisemitism is not exclusively a system of structural racism (we can argue about the degree to which Jews face discrimination but that's another topic). Antisemitism is also a form of brain rot for schizophrenics that creeps into every facet of their ideology and poisons what they say with paranoia and misattribution fallacies. Even if every single Jew was a zionist piece of shit, that wouldn't make "Jews in the walls" fantasies real, but that is precisely wht people end up believing if they huff the "Jews are bad" gas too long (same with any X group are bad but Jews are just a common target for historically contingent reasons).
>>2953346well, yeah, zionists are currently trying to get the DSA to a-ok "ethnic endogamy"
>>2953309he is not wrong
the dsa goyim are extremely gullible
>People still crying and shitting their pants about Basedempenada's objectively correct takesWhat is it about George that gets people so riled up? Are you really that much of a simpleton that his mildly inflammatory bullshit gets to you? Like that retard that keeps trying to pedojacket him lol. Why does he brainbreak people like this?
>>2953325Would an anon also get banned for saying anti-white racism is more or less justified? Something to think about guys
>>2953401>We must secure the existence of the chosen people and a future for jewish childrenGive it a rest bro, BE has never advocated for "doing another holocaust" nor implied or encouraged anything of the sort, nor is something like that even in the realm of possibility of actually happening. The only ones doing a holocaust right now are jewish people against the palestinians. Nothing he has said is antisemitic. Unless you think it's antisemitic to acknowledge that 85% or so of jewish people are zionists
>>2953401the only correct take here
It’s not surprising that western leftists refuse to come to terms with the fact that the overwhelming majority of Jews are genocidal pedophilic freaks and their “religion” explicitly demands it, since the same people are the ones who founded the western left in the first place
>>2953401>if you dare slight a Jew you’re automatically a Nazi!!!!<regards, Frankfurt School pedophile>>2953401>>2953419keep fighting the good fight
>>2953401The correct take is that most, but not all, Jews, especially from older generations, are subversive Israel-firsters.
That said I think slow normalization of anti-zionist and outright anti-semitic attitudes is not organic and is being driven by factions of the deep state that are sick of Israel's control over US politics.
>>2953401sartre was pro-israel btw
>>2953365>shit empanada has no theory>the point is that "DSA is essentially a racial chauvinist organization that places Jews on top of everyone else" is objectively a reactionary position because DSA is essentially a national chauvinist organization that places labor aristocrats of all "races" on top of everyone else, *in service* (unwitting or otherwise) of white supremacy.your theory is the same thing BE believes but you just say white supremacy instead of jewish supremacy lol
>>2953473>your theory is the same thing BE believes but you just say white supremacy instead of jewish supremacy lolBecause he's knows BE is right, and the obvious glaring exception that there is for Zionism in "liberal" values. And how it causes dissonance when rancid colonial ideas from last century are enforced into normality.
So he's doing liberal hasbara and deflecting onto something else. Not unlike when Zios bring up US crimes to claim undue attention to theirs, but really, to chum the waters for "progressives" to have something to attack without hitting at Zionism.
>>2953416>Why does he brainbreak people like this?he doesnt dickride democrats or united russia, most users of this place are absolutetly in love with at least one of those two liberal, zionist organizations, I see no other explanation
ultimately the best position for jews to be in is to completely abandon jewish-identity politics and just identify themselves as americans. *same for trans people tbqh but from what i've seen they're fully aware of this fact and it's the far-right that constantly brings them up.* the more attention you draw to yourself as some external group the more you'll get pushback from the goyim. just learn2assimilate bro.
like nation-state identity politics already caused two world wars, are we really still relitigating it because the jews deserve their chance to do it after arriving late to the party? zionism is a fucking death cult, and young jews are moving away from it in droves. zionism itself is a dying concept. we don't need to do anything on that front except continue dunking on israel and putting pressure on the american jewish community to abandon israel. you don't need hate crimes or holocausts to kill an ideology.
tbh i don't see why there's so much "self-policing" on the left against anti-jewish hate, something that doesn't fucking exist in any measurable sense on the left. it just breeds conspiracy theories that every leftist organization and even leftypol itself are so singularly obsessed with protecting the feelings of this tiny religious group. it's counterproductive if anything by not allowing people to have open conversations about zionist influence in american judaism and how it mirrors the republican takeover of american christianity through evangelicals.
>>2953480>having a bad opinion on a separate issue invalidate a different opinion on another issueWhen will leftychuds stop sucking off their knee-jerk emotional responses to things?
>BE said this
<BE said that
Why take BE seriously at all?
>>2953527>having a bad opinion on a separate issue invalidate a different opinion on another issuei think advocating pedophilia is kind of a big invalidating factor dude. i wouldn't dare cite a pedophile's opinion on anything for winning an argument.
Why can't we admit the ZOG is a real thing without holding it against Jews in a racial way? Israel, not the Jewish race, is the real problem, and of the things you can hold against Jews it's all downstream of Israel's existence and spookery.
>>2953536if a person who has done something bad says "2 + 2 = 4" the truth of that statement gets invalidated?
>>2953553Because it's idealist drivel and clearly contradictory by what's happening, Israel is B(urger)OG not the other way around
>>2953559reducing the entire thing to a single state, either israel or america, is idealist drivel
>>2953558yeah but why dont you cite someone who says 2+2=4 and isn't a pedophile? like if your opinion is so correct surely someone who isn't a pedophile must hold the same views? why post sartre to promote zionism? surely there must be some non-pedo zionist you can replace him with for your shilling?
>>2953559You realize American imperialism is being dismantled as we speak right? Israel's actions do not benefit the American Empire, they're an active hindrance and leading to a series of very dumb self-destructive decisions.
>>2953553The government is not really "occupied" by zionists tho is it? It's pretty much entirely zionist by volition, not because it's forced to lol
>>2953598>American imperialism is being dismantled as we speakWild wish casting, the petro dollar is going strong, carrier groups are relaying themselves bombing Iran without a single loss yet and the countries that actually suffer from this are in the neocolonial third world where demand is destroyed, but don't worry they will be offered IMF loans
>>2953585>I have no idea who he's talking abouthe seems to be talking about DSA Jews who care about who other Jews date, marry and have sex with in an ethnic supremacist way and seem to have managed to get someone kicked out of a "socialist" organization for disagreeing with their ethno-nationalist ways, but I dont really know much about what happened either
>>2953585Man, you really are a contrarian, Michael Tracey kind of guy.
Actually no, I know what you are. You are one of those redscarepod-like hoes trying to sound all personable and worldly retelling the stuff you hear from your sugar daddies. Thinking that maybe one day, it will be your nose snorting the Thielbucks if you enlist enough leftoids to sell your cryptofascist tupperware kind of ideology.
But then, as soon as you think you have an audience, you blow it dropping a liberal/hasbara stinker.
>>2953655what? what gay nazi is saying is 100% correct, people who care about that shit are reactionary morons, which is why is concerning people like that have power inside DSA, lets hope its not true and BE is just making shit up
>>2953661You would not defend a white person claiming miscegenation is wrong for white people. Or any other group, other than Jews.
For Jews, you would defend anything.
>>2953585it doesn't matter. none of this matters. Looking at the data 60% of american jews have intermarried since 2010, so the reality is capitalism is assimilating every national minority on a mass scale which sets the stage for socialism
>>2953665>it doesn't matter. none of this matters.What is being discussed, is that the DSA does care.
They kicked a guy out because one such anti-miscegenation Jew, who was taking his position straight form Jonathan Greenblat and other Zionist jews, lost a twitter fight. And then, called a bunch of other Zionist Jews to smear Omar as an antisemite and get him kicked out of the DSA.
What is being claimed is that:
>The DSA is essentially a racial chauvinist organization that places Jews on top of everyone elseThe events cited confirm that statement. The organization took the side of the race realist anti-miscegenation Jews and kicked Omar in their name.
If you want Omar's side of the story:
https://theatheistomar.substack.com/p/a-fractal-of-jewish-exceptionalism >>2953667>ai substack rantpriors confirmed, dsa made the right call
>>2953668>>2953665Much deflecting, not so many arguments.
>>2953665>Looking at the data 60% of american jews have intermarried since 2010you're kinda missing the point here. jews are not a distinct ethnic group. the jewish ethnicity is just a zionist psyop to differentiate themselves from arabs/europeans. genetically they are identical to the places they live in and intermarry freely with the local population. american jews are just white people. middle eastern jews are just arabs and more specifically palestinians. european jews are just white people. once the left abandons the "jewish racial identity" spook we can start having productive conversations about antisemitism vs antizionism.
>>2953646>he seems to be talking about DSA Jews who care about who other Jews date, marry and have sex with in an ethnic supremacist way I'm going to have to look at this Substack.
There are Jews who prefer to date other Jews and marry Jews to have Jewish kids, yeah.
>>2953655>retelling the stuff you hear from your sugar daddiesI wish
>it will be your nose snorting the Thielbucks if you enlist enough leftoids to sell your cryptofascist tupperware kind of ideology.That's a great insult.
>>2953664>You would not defend a white person claiming miscegenation is wrong for white people. Or any other group, other than Jews. I would disagree with someone claiming miscgenation is "wrong." I'm for free trade in booty worldwide, but I wouldn't try to stop them. I find that just completely weird how people get so concerned with these personal choices that people make. Like are you anti-trans if you don't want to date trans people. What if you were a straight man and I'm gay but how dare you not have gay sex with me, you phobe. What are you a bigot. Does me excluding women from my preferences smack of sexism? Maybe it does! Does it follow that I should change it. Should I go in for therapy or hypnosis. I dunno. Maybe I'll meet a woman who will open up a whole heterosexual world for me. It doesn't follow that I should go hunt one down. It's kind of random. Is the DSA really going to establish a committee to socially engineer this.
>>2953665>If you want Omar's side of the story:Okay I'm going read this.
Alright so this DSA member, Ben, said endogamy (marrying exclusively within the tribe) is not inherently racist and then used a bunch of blabber to claim YOU are racist Western supremacist if you criticize it. Okay that's dumb. Maybe it is racist! But I don't care.
Holy hell I just looked at the rest of this article, this is long.
fwiw if we accept that jews exclusively marrying "within the tribe" is acceptable then white guys who exclusively date asian women are also kosher, no?
<"it's just a preference bro"
>>2953676>fwiw if we accept that jews exclusively marrying "within the tribe" is acceptable then white guys who exclusively date asian women are also kosher, no? Uhhh…. yeah? Why the fuck would that be a problem to anyone? Lol do you feel under assault for
dating jacking off only to Asian women.
>>2953677no I'm just making sure. honestly I feel the same way, I don't really care how people choose to date. if a racist exclusively dates white women then like…that's their prerogative, I wouldn't want to inflict them upon non-white women by forcing them to date outside their race. if a jew exclusively dates jews that's fine too. i just want us to be consistent on this and make sure we don't go around judging strangers for who they date.
>>2953678tbh this isn't a /pol/ thing it's more in line with the idea israeli jews and palestinians are the same and should view eachother as brothers instead of enemies. zionists went to great lengths to devleop the myth of the "jewish ethnicity" as a means of otherizing themselves from their host countries and/or justifying genocide in british occupied palestine. we should in fact push back on it more and remind jews that they're just white/arab/etc and their choice of religion and "culture" doesn't change that.
a pretty obvious comparison is how muslims operate:
>don't date outside of islam>support the muslim community through donations, loans, etc to fellow muslims>muslims have a long cultural history and are proud of that culture, but islamic culture and arab culture are separate and distinct things>the global muslim "ummah" is a brotherhood>yet you don't have to be arab to be a muslim, and no muslim claims there's a distinct muslim "race" or that arab muslims are somehow better than non-arab muslims.i think jews segregating themselves into a "cultural ethnic group" that has no genetic basis is doing more harm than good if you approach it in good faith. at beast it's just misguided idpol and at worst it's a zionist psyop.
>>2953681>zionists went to great lengths to devleop the myth of the "jewish ethnicity"read Stalin
>>2953682Stalin was a Zionist, one of his few mistakes.
>>2953681My cousin is a white guy that only has ever dated Asian women as far as I'm aware of. I think he had three of them and he's settled down with one. His fam jokes about it, but it's not a big deal. Actually I think his half brothers only dated Asian women too. But yeah, nobody cares.
One time I was at this party at my friend's fam's house and this weird white guy sat down next to me started talking to me, he was an assistant DA apparently, seemed kinda coked up, then when he got up a few minutes later, he said "I think I see some mediocre Asian women, that's my specialty." When I recounted this story to my friend and his family later, his dad said in his very dry British accent, "oh noooo his girlfriend is Asian." That story just cracks me.
Yeah, I mean it could just so happen that all your GFs are Asian like my cousin, never heard him say that he has some rule about only dating Asians, or you could be a creep about it like that other guy. But either way, who cares.
>>2953684Now try that, but your cousin runs a white supremacist settler colony carved out of Thailand.
And some vicious racist like Jonathan Greenblat is doing the 14 words in relation to that ethnostate project.Because one has to maintain the purity and White majority of Hwite-istan.
And when your cousin gets called out for supporting the white supremacists, who are currently genociding a few million Thai, you come out to drop this dogshit take on his defense. And add levity to racists defending their racist ethnostate's policy.
>>2953684>Now try that, but your cousin runs *Lives in
Yeah it's pretty racist to straight up say you're going to force your kids to only date or marry your race(don't know how we got on to white guys dating Asians) or you'll disown them or whatever Greenblatt was implying. I think depending on the group, it comes off as more or less racist. I think it has often been criticized about all the whites or whatever race being anti-miscegenation and specifically anti-black(coal-burning or mudsharking or whatever new lingo they're calling it.) TBH you here black people say the same anti-miscegenation rhetoric too. Actually it is typically most lambasted when it's women from your race dating another race, because of paternalism, getting cucked sentiments, and I guess the long history of men conquering other groups then taking the women like it says in the bible.
But moving on, out of all the crazy shit Greenblatt has said, this has to be really low down on the list lol.
>Greenblatt is a racist/chauvinist/supremacist? I'm shocked! Shocked I say!
>>2953568>yeah but why dont you cite someone who says 2+2=4 and isn't a pedophile?Because Sartre put it best about how antisemitism is a mental disorder. Bringing up other points about him in this context is effectively saying "Sartre was a pedo therefore there's Jews in my walls"
>>2953716It doesn't really help the argument that "everyone is just hysterical about the jews eating babies" when the jew saying it is also a pedophile. Like, every time you cite him as your "source" about right-wing hysteria about jews you're playing into their game where they can say "SEE?? LOOK, A PEDOPHILE JEW IS UPSET AT US CALLING THEM OUT" and like…what then?
>>2953673>There are Jews who prefer to date other Jews and marry Jews to have Jewish kidsyes, some of them do it out of ethno-nationalism, not mere chance, and are inside an organization that calls itself socialist and seem to have a degree of power in it, would you describe them as a type of national socialists?
>Maybe it is racist! But I don't care.very based and me-ne-frego-pilled, my gay fuhrer
>>2953309So, uh who is he even talking about? Who got kicked out? Who were the Jews? Someone give me a recap of this whole controversy.
>>2953731This reminds me of that leftypol anarchist namefag who believed in Jewish communes.
>>2953733That's fucking crazy. Literally making whataboutism laws.
Do americans benefit from imperialism?
>>2953734Except its not whataboutism because pissrael is uniquely evil. Case in point, Iran is not killing muh own citizens and China is not killing uyghurs. For nazis and zionazis killing outgroup is good while policing ingroup is bad, which is why the constant muh own people cope is a telltale sign that one is a subzero autism score triboid.
>>2953523Could've gotten better results? What the fuck is this guy on about? Are they really this fucking stupid? Of course kids love drawing and making shit have they ever spent 5 minutes with a toddler
>>2953737George is the only true leftist left, he has the powerlevel to own destiny and Hasan, he is the future
>>2953737destroying DSA would be good for the American Left. DSA are libleft zionist cucks who will never amount to anything but being the left flank of the Democrats.
This is so funny.
The Marxist Unity Group (MUG) caucus within the DSA, which is the one Omar got kicked out of, is actually against expelling AOC from the national DSA. You see, they don't wanna kick people out for mere "political disagreements" like funding the Iron Dome, approving every defense of Zionism under the guise of antisemitism or generally the bog standard Democrat Zionist position that
Israel has a Right to Defend Itself!.
https://www.cityandstateny.com/politics/2025/08/dsa-collision-course-aoc/407434/
>[…]But even those upset with Ocasio-Cortez don’t necessarily want to kick her out of the socialist organization. Sidney Carlson White, a member of the internal “Marxist Unity Group” caucus who serves on the National Political Committee, said that his caucus is generally opposed to expelling members over political disagreements.
>“This is something that Lenin discovered a while back,” he said. “The idea of trying to dissolve your parliamentary faction by expulsion would do very little to heighten the contradictions around the issues that you disagreed upon.”>…Nonono those are minor disagreements, and, at most warrant a withdrawal of endorsement. And if at any point Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez decides to throw a few rhetorical bones to the Palestinian cause,
they would be more than happy to re-endorse her. Say, after the deed is done and AOC and the DSA can have land-acknowledgements about what
once was the Palestinian people. No point crying over genocided peoples, what's done is done, lets all be progressive together!
And besides, in a few years, liberal Zionism will have completely subsumed any Anti-Zionism and AOCs voting record would be, well I dare say, extremely pro-Palestinian. Just ask the Jews!https://socialisttribune.substack.com/p/commit-to-palestine
>As decided through Resolution-22 at DSA’s 2025 convention, opposition to BDS or the struggle for Palestinian liberation, affiliation with any zionist lobbying groups, or knowing provision of material aid to Israel directly contradicts the will of DSA’s membership and DSA’s program that demands an end to military and economic aid to Israel and a free Palestine.
>In the last five years, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez has repeatedly affirmed her belief that Israel has a right to “defend itself” and broke with fellow socialists in office to vote against an amendment that would have eliminated $500 million in current material aid for the Iron Dome, a key part of Israel’s expansionist policy even if it is labeled a “defensive weapon.” It is unacceptable for a socialist elected to pursue such a policy.
>MUG struggles in DSA for democratic discipline—where all our members and electeds are bound to the democratic will of our members; a commitment to fight the imperial police state and its imperial projects like Israel; and unity with DSA’s program that demands a free Palestine. A vote to re-endorse Rep. Ocasio-Cortez without any change on her support for “defensive” weapons would contradict our support for Palestinian liberation and make DSA’s political strategy incoherent.
>We call on our comrades in NYC DSA to vote NO on an endorsement of Rep. Ocasio-Cortez unless she confirms that she will align with DSA’s program and Resolution-22 by committing to oppose all military and settlement funding to Israel, including “defensive” weapons such as the Iron Dome, and any legislation conflating antisemitism and anti-zionism, as every other DSA-endorsed candidate has committed to, both nationally and in NYC.
>As socialists, we know that we are stronger when we fight together, and that we can change and be changed by the struggle. Rep. Ocasio-Cortez has a historic opportunity to showcase democratic discipline by changing course from a position that weakens and breeds distrust among the socialist movement. She can exemplify the integrity and uncompromising commitment of a socialist in office who seeks to unify our movement by abiding by our democratically deliberated program. Rep. Ocasio-Cortez should show the world what it looks like to stand unafraid with and earn the support of a democratic socialist movement.So remember kids:
Using your congressional seat to fund the livestreamed genocide of a couple million Palestinians and settler colonial Zionism?✅ Minor disagreement, we just need to talk it out. Just get it done and call us when the last Palestinian baby is dead, okay?
A few Jewish supremacist Jews (defending Zionism) baselessly call you antisemitic for a Twitter post?❌ Sorry bud, you are out. Gotta enforce discipline in this serious political organization what we are running. You are making us look bad.
>>2953761 (me)
I'm framing this around the Gaza genocide, because the matter at hand is Zionism. But I'm sure a more plugged USian can find plenty of reasons AOC should be repudiated by socialists, before and after the present genocide.
>>2953559Everything I'm seeing seems to support the Israeli subversion model.
The relationship is obviously more complicated than one owning the other; Israel is dependent on US support for it's survival, if we were to retract our support or turn on Israel they would be doomed and they know that.
So what did they do? Subverted political and economic institutions in the US in order to ensure that the support they depend on will continue. The US holds Israel's fate in its hands, but Israel now has a powerful and corrupt special interest lobby, and the influence of wealthy dual-loyalist Jews in key institutional positions in government and business, forcing the US to keep it safe and prosperous at its own expense. There are some foreign policy goal alignments between the two, sure, but the US empire would theoretically gain more by being allies with Gulf States and Iran than with Israel which means there must be other motives than cold, rational imperial logic at play.
Frankly, I think the reason the left still peddles the narrative the Israel is poor little puppet of the American empire is solely a stubborn refusal to admit chuds were partially right about something.
>>2953788Israel is a pawn of usa imperialism , however the usa definitely got/gets played by israel, usa bougies have their head too far up their own asses to see this.
with a bit of luck they will drag eachother down to hell.
>>2953739Yes, duh. What kind of dumbass question is that?
>>2953788>being allies with Gulf States and IranYes but no, even under the pressure of Israel existing they're still trying to decouple from the petrodollar.
The US plan for the middle east is not to have unreliable "allies", it's to keep them tied to selling oil in US dollars in perpetuity
>>2953761
>“This is something that Lenin discovered a while back,” he said. “The idea of trying to dissolve your parliamentary faction by expulsion would do very little to heighten the contradictions around the issues that you disagreed upon.”I'm so fucking tired of these dweebs to quote mine lenin to defend socdemery
>>2953803Lenin of the Russian Social Democratic Labour Party you mean?
>>2953761ok but they give you their reasoning in the quote you posted. namely that expelling aoc would do literally nothing and couldn't result in any anti-imperialist action or a heightened discipline among dsa electeds at this point. if you want them to expel aoc for symbolic cred among /usapol/ posters, what would be the point? it wouldn't be a productive action. they explicitly said that they don't endorse her for the reasons you cited.
>>2953808 (me)
something you Notice after interacting with burger "anti-imperialist" leftists online is a complete lack of recognition of their own powerlessness and the realities of building a political movement to change that. the critique is never
>ok, this sucks, given the material conditions, you should do x and y instead of z, it would help you build up the movement and achieve your stated goalsinstead they just throw a fit that the things they want don't happen in society and beg their organizations to leave politics, as if relegating yourself to the fringes of society and endless protest would be more productive. the reason why aoc is not calling for levantine jdpon now is precisely because you lack power, shutting your ears to this reality and denouncing it as loud as you can will not abolish the present state of things. you have 2 choices - either you change the political reality in a way that's immanent to your society or you become jason unruhe and receive your Goodest Leftist award from people who think like you
>>2953761Isn't this basically just an example of how the DSA has no way to enforce their positions? As a politician you can use it to get some cred, but you're not accountable to the organization at all. In the end it means nothing, whereas toeing the democrat line means everything
What is the point of this organization besides giving support to democrat careerists? Why are there "marxists" in this org? It's baffling
>>2953810Either you vote for Israel getting missiles or you're Jason unruhe!
>>2953817they're not voting for israel getting missiles. neither am i advocating for them to vote for israel getting missiles. work on your reading comprehension
>>2953808Dude, not supporting Israel has a larger support amongst the American population than you might think, even amonst some Republicans, especiialy younger ones. It is totally realistic to get a congressman that least votes no on supporting Israel, your "Levantine jdpon" is a strawman. Didn't Massie - a Republican - voted against it?
Burgers also don't realize the massive leverage they have on hurting imperialism. The US is Israels biggest supporter, do you realize how fucked Israel would be if the US stopped supporting them? The genocide would right on the same day. But they have nothing to fear, because you'd rather do incrementalism.
>>2953812>Isn't this basically just an example of how the DSA has no way to enforce their positions?what do you mean? they purge people for not being zionist enough, thats how they enforce their position
>>2953803>I'm so fucking tired of these dweebs to quote mine lenin to defend socdemeryturning marxism from revolutionary theory into ideology is an ancient leftist tradition, you will respect it and you will be happy
>>2953825Perfect reasoning as for why leftism is useless
>>2953808>if you want them to expel aoc for symbolic cred among /usapol/ posterI want them go expel her because she's a zionist imperialist
>>2953848Didn't they only barely pass a motion to oppose Zionism at their national congress?
>>2953788>the US empire would theoretically gain more by being allies with Gulf States and Iran than with Israel which means there must be other motives than cold, rational imperial logic at play.The U.S. is allied with the Gulf States. There's a pretense of neutrality but I think it's all pretty two-faced. Israel and the UAE are practically in an open military alliance. So there's an alliance between Israel and the UAE, and then an alliance between Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, Pakistan. The U.S. plays both sides. Also there's a lot of profits of oil to be recapitalized in the U.S., people tend to think about oil but not about the future profits of oil and where they end up. The U.S. also has an alliance with Jordan, and right now the U.S. military is falling back to Jordan and trying to shore up its position there.
>Frankly, I think the reason the left still peddles the narrative the Israel is poor little puppet of the American empire is solely a stubborn refusal to admit chuds were partially right about something.Well the chuds make the claim that the Jews have hijacked American policy. Then the Israel lobby says that the U.S. supports Israel because of some ~abstract morality~ about democracy and American national interests blah blah, and the more corporate and mainstream right promotes that. Then on the left you have a split. Some on the left say the U.S. and Israel are allies because of shared interests like the corporate right does (but that's bad), and then others on the left say the Israel lobby is a bigger factor but unlike the chuds don't like to say "Jews" because the left is opposed to antisemitism. The strongest argument from the left about why the chuds are wrong is that the U.S. acts in a bad way everywhere else in the world to advance the interests of American corporations, and not just in the Middle East.
Also there are, in fact, non-Jewish conservatives who support Israel and have imperialistic views. They don't like Iran and haven't liked Iran since the Shah was ousted, and they want to put the Shah back into power. The U.S. and Iran were allies when the Shah was in control.
The strongest argument for the Israel lobby's influence going against the American interest is probably related to the occupation specifically. The U.S. doesn't get anything out of that. Israel gets a lot of out of it because they want the land, but it gives Arabs another reason to hate America, and that makes it more difficult for the U.S. to deploy troops around the region, although a lot of these Arabs live under dictatorships that are aligned with Washington.
>>2953739>Do americans benefit from imperialism?it depends if you consider getting socially (and maybe even biologically) engineered into DNC-GOP cattle a benefit or not
>>2953730be has jew derangement syndrome
notice how he's always attacking the left
>>2953788True. I think nobody on the left would have a problem with saying that white Protestant Anglo-Saxons made up the American ruling class for a long time, so what's the issue to point a disproportionate amount of subversion by Jews in the state apparatus, especially when Jews as a group operate far more as a collective and have a much tighter in-group wary of outsiders than Anglo-Saxons.
>>2953900Who are these people that think BE is some kind of leftcom ultra?
Have you actually read this pamphlet anon? Or are you just baiting?
DiddyEmpanada isn't even a communist.
>>2953553>Huwite protestant mails dindu nuffin it's the dastardly yids telling them to blow up brown children!Ask yourself this; if Israel was an openly secular anti-racist multipolarista socdem/socialist state. Do you think they'd still be supported?
Hint; Pro-zionist rightoids like Israel because they want their own countries be like that
>>2953911of course he would salute israel's greatest friend
>>2953911Damn, can he get any more based? Clearly not a leftcom as well here
Despite his snickering, the salute to the soviet anthem still brings a tear to mine eyes
so, now that it has been confirmed DSA purges leftists for not supporting ethno-nationalism, can we all finally agree DSA is a right-wing organization and their shills should be treated the same way ACPoids get here?
>>2953918Bro they are worse than ACPoids, at least those tards don't shill democrats
>can we agree reformists are traitors
Yes
>>2953919They shill republicans instead. They can get fucked.
>>2953920>reformistswhat reform has DSA done?
>>2953922Not really, certainly not in the way DSA shills dems. You can think their magacom thing was a bad strat or that they're patsocs whatever, but at the very least they advocate for an independent party. That is if you don't consider them feds lol
im very happy everyone talks about the dsa all the time, imagine living in a nation with a socialist movement so irrelevant and inconsequential nobody knows about it or talks about it at all. id kill myself tbqh
>>2953918>DSA purges leftists for not supporting ethno-nationalismSource?
>>2953900be and his dickriders avoid lenin like a vampire does garlic
>>2953935socialist movement?
What are even the political ideologies of BE? Third-worldism?
>>2953943according to a recent video where he debunks some literally who streamer, it's harm reduction for the supposed fall of the us empire that's coming any day now
>>2953943standard non american leftist
Dialectics is when 2 things
>>2953930>Not reallyReally ACPshill. Now hit the road.
>>2953944>Clearly, everybody is just pretending to know stuff they don't.Just like Hegel.
>>2953944we had a bona fide hegelian come here once and he explained it really well, unfortunately nothing really sticked with me outside of the vague intuition of dialectics being recognizing how ideas contain their own contradiction buried underneath
there's a "maybe mass literacy is actually… le bad and oppressive???" discourse going on xitter
everyone who has a xitter account should be killed.
>>2953961>everyone who has a xitter account should be killed.i agree, you should come to my house and murder me right now
>>2953944Freedom can mean on one hand not being limited by others, yet include the freedom to oppress others (it's own negation), what's created from applying freedom is thus not really freedom, and not really oppression either, and it's not a mix of both, it's just about understanding that x concept is bigger than the words we use to describe them.
Also using hegel's dialectic for anything that isn't abstract concepts is completely missing how hegel used it
That's what I kinda understand from it.
How the fuck does someone even start reading Hegel?
>>2953955Yes really, afaik they don't have party members run as republicans and they don't endorse republican candidates as a party
I'm not trying to shill for them, if anything it's embarrassing that the streamer eceleb party has a better position on this than the DSA
Also once you understand the Frankfurt school got brain broken by the Holocaust and decided to reject all philosophy made before on this basis alone(how could western philosophy not stop genocide!!) you get why they're completely clueless on some aspects
>>2953900BE is not a leftcom he's a latam socdem. That's what he cares about, the lost cause of Bolivarian revolutions, because then he doesn't have to tackle the question of what happens when you when. He just gets to eternally complain about imperialism fucking over the region (which they are) but ultimately it's a dead end ideology. More recently he's pivoted to opportunistic contrarianism chasing clicks but generally siding against imperial powers (which is itself ultimately a form of contrarianism and not a positive political program).
>>2953975The ACP does something more like the CPUSA except vice versa. Like the CPUSA doesn't actually explicitly say to vote for Democrats but to "defeat fascism" by voting but they mean vote for the Democrats. The ACP doesn't say they vote Republican but they do say they think the Democrats are worse than the Republicans and some of those guys individually did in fact vote for Trump in 2024 and said they did but now deny it.
The DSA meanwhile actually gets people elected on the Democratic ballot line. But it's funny because some of them are actual DSA people who started out in the politics that way, and then others join the DSA to get DSA members to volunteer for them when they run for office, then they let their membership lapse the week before the election and then win and when journalists ask them about it they're like "I'm not a DSA member, idk what you're talking about." And then politicians like Abdul El-Sayed are supported by people who just happen to be in the DSA as individuals despite AES not being in the DSA and not even a socialist as journalists are like when will you denounce Hasan Piker.
>>2953975>afaik they don't have party members run as republicans and they don't endorse republican candidates as a partyRepublican independents are not new. Heck, republican Democrat insiders are nothing new.
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