<White people joking about "Donkey Shows" and Mexican women fucking donkeysThis is fine.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donkey_show>WWFDsNOOOO YOU CAN'T SAY THAT! THAT'S SO HECKING RACIST AND MISOGYNISTIC!
>A donkey show is a type of live sex show in which a woman engages in bestiality with a donkey,[1][2] which, according to urban legend and some works of fiction, were once performed in the Mexican border city of Tijuana, particularly in the mid-20th century. >>2618641yall mfs not ready for marco bouchard thought
>>2618630Ah yes, how could I be so foolish!? By attending this one specific funeral of a non-communist theocratic leader, they are now 1000% confirmed to be nothing like the fascist groups that have done similar things because they didn't do this particular one! It's all so clear to me now, thank you. I will now pray to the glory of Haz Al Ghoul at least five times per day!
>>2618652> one specific funeral of a non-communist theocratic leader, they are now 1000% confirmed to be nothing like the fascist groups that have done similar thingsYou speak like a zionist. You slander the Communist Party as fascist because they are vanguard of anti-imperialism.
No other amerikan Communist Parties went. No other amerikan left party does such anti-imperialist things. All glory to the Communist Party.
>>2618660>No other amerikan left party does such anti-imperialist thingsBut plenty of right ones do! Check out
>>2617697 >>2618672What are they even trying to go for here?
>>2618692MAGAts are abandoning the sinking ship
>>26181912.5 songs
>ylos late 2010's twitter mimi
>>2618707same as anyone else pumping out ai slop, trying to corner a niche on the market
>>2618511I feel sorry for this guy, he seemed very nice the few times I talked to him on discord a couple years ago.
>>2618585>You don’t author an organism by command, you select, amplify, or suppress tendencies that are already viable.Socialism is viable. Meaning it's within our grasp right now if only the workers reach out their hands.
>you are confusing state control with new economic relations.Not at all. While the state is a key mechanism of worker coordination it is the workers are the ones who create new economic relations.
>The issue isn’t who holds power, but what social relations that power operates through. Why do we need to use capitalist mechanisms of organization to facilitate a supposedly more advanced and more efficient economic system?Who holds power is the issue. Capitalists hold power and so suppress socialism and stop the transformation into a new mode.
>it functionally occupies the position of owner, regardless of legal form.While I understand the dejure legal form can be a cover the defacto power relation even under the USSR upper management could be and were kicked out. They were not the same people all the time and they had no means to stay in their position. They were also all part of the same class. They didn't personally own the factories or land and could not pass anything down to their children or family. They legally and defacto were not a separate class from everyone else.
>A slave overseer doesn’t determine the use of surplusSlaves in ancient societies could run households and determine the use of surplus. Slaves could get lots of prestige and personal wealth too. These slaves were bureaucrats. Even so they were still slaves.
>They got farthest politically, not economically. Even if that is so it's more than anyone else. So there is something there that is above most other leftist tendency and that is Vanguardism.
What I'm confused about it why you so strongly believe socialism can only happen while under current capitalist control but for some reason you believe that if ML states took over it could not happen under them. If you believe ML states are just capitalist anyway and socialism will happen under capitalism anyway, then it shouldn't matter to you at all.
>>2618511I think haz is consciously grifting, but that logo guy is genuinely, sincerely retarded
everything's computer
I am genuinely surprised by how popular Charlie Kirk memes are and continue to be. I thought the dominant reaction would be "political violence bad, we need to come together regardless of politics, that man had a family" etc etc but no, everyone is just spitting on his corpse day after day.
>>2618942Everything cannot be computer
>>2618767Interesting analysis. I wonder what the cause is for the difference in tactics.
>>26188431. I'm going to need a source on that
2. That's some of the most retarded, unmaterial slop I've ever read.
>>2618941>I think haz is consciously griftingHe's outright said that he's corrupt (using that exact word) and can be bought, with the only stipulation being that he must be allowed to call people "retarded" for some stupid fucking reason.
>>2618843>ach mein leiben! I am und homosexual! now I must hate der juden!????
asmongold be like yeah based
>>2618975I realized that the reason he brings up having a dead rat as an alarm clock and generally being a disgusting slob is because he's marketing himself as being an average slub and not a rich media elite.
>>2618647stfu sakaist gonzolite. No one said all Mexican women fuck donkeys. If you listened to what they said, it was obviously tragic human trafficking led by cartels, i.e. US intelligence agencies. We will never accept brownoids brushing off the sakaist slander against European women with 'what about white men talking about donkey shows.'
>>2618944It's funny to see rightoids cope and tell themselves they're totally the ones making all the memes and it's all good spirited fun because as well all know the left can't meme!!! Same thing happened when Vance memes were going around.
>>2618037Reactionary
Women hold up half the sky
Put him in the dunce cap and shame him publicly
>>2618323does anyone know how I can report someone to the CPC for disseminating nazi propaganda
>>2618046
How about you stop being so spooked my dude. "Degeneracy" is a spook and isn't the cause of empires falling. Cockshott is a irrelevant Anglo boomer.
>>2618037>>2619050>gays are reactionary because they are incel virgins who have never had real sex with a womenat last i truly see
>>2618961Made a mistake. The term I meant to use was "dual power," not "dual state" (that's actually a term historians use for Nazi rule, which I'll get back to in a second). Dual power is a Leninist term to refer to the soviets, which were alternative institutions that co-existed in Russia after the February Revolution but before the October Revolution. In China you had soviets in revolutionary base areas that were set up and which waged violent class struggle in the countryside. The Black Panther Party strategy was a dual power one in which they'd build revolutionary-democratic institutions in the hood which would push out the state, so aspirationally black people would run their own schools (for example), but that didn't progress far because they were destroyed by the state.
What fascists seem to do is try to augment the repressive powers of the existing state. They might be in tension with it, they do get arrested by the police from time to time. But every communist revolution iirc resulted in widespread destruction of the existing state's institutions and the development of new institutions. The state for Marxists is not a neutral force but has a particular class stamp. In Italy, ᴉuᴉlossnW was basically appointed to lead the government and then subordinated the fascist party to the existing state's institutions (the fascist party after the takeover had little autonomy, interesting enough). In Germany, there was the dual state where existing state institutions continued to function with the Nazi Party mirroring them.
It's like how there was the Wehrmacht but the Nazis also created parallel Nazi military units with the Waffen SS. In the Soviet Union, the army was the party's army, which was a revolutionary army.
But I think you can see this even in how fascist groups carry themselves or how they dress. They will literally dress up like police officers and LARP as them, or try to act as what they think the police "should" be doing (repressing leftists harder). It's kind of like accelerationism in a way. The state is too weak, too liberal, too restrained and not epic and based enough, and they don't like the fact that there are laws that restrain the state's powers to "clean up" the streets of the commies and the scum.
Anyways, when I would check in on ACP stuff, they would do things like participate in a turkey giveaway charity event in Washington state involving the police. It's like, is your job as a communist to shore up the system like that? Because that's what you're basically doing. But it's also in the aesthetics, which I think are a constituent part of political ideologies and systems. Their members will post images of riot police (Russian ones) wearing black with their logo stamped on the image. That is alerting my spidey senses.
They express some ambiguity about certain positions. Like Haz will say "we're already living in socialism" which, on the one hand, could be a provocative way to say that capitalism socializes production and isn't that interesting??? But if you take it literally, what they're saying is that the U.S. *is* socialist, so they have a theoretical basis for repressing enemies of the state. Which they identify as leftists (who are their main enemy, as they've said many times).
This is bizarre, and I'm not sure how much of this is wholly conscious. It might result from a confusion about their actual situation. Or they identify with
ruling communist parties and they think "we should act like that." Like, yeah, the Soviet Union had political police whose job was to repress enemies of the socialist state. But it's just flat-out retarded to be like "communist states had police, so therefore police = communist practice." But it might also be that these guys also have far-right sympathies and Haz also likes to read that stuff and he mixes it in.
>>2619066>cockshott irrelevant boomerCockshott's one pubic hair has more relevance than all users on thos board combined
>>2619404Zionist occupied brain
>>2619404behold turd worldism's final form
>>2619404BE is already openly antisemitic, no?
>>2619404Not wrong tbh. I've been saying this forever, let the retardo americans believe their government is controlled by the zionists, if you ever try to talk them out of it it's basically impossible, and i suspect that if you did they'd simply stop caring because it's only important to them due to the perception they're being controlled, not the you know, horrific violence and so on inflicted on others.
>>2619429It's not his anti-semitism retard, it's theirs. the yanks.
>>2619434so BE isnt antisemitic, then?
>>2619429How is BE antisemitic?
>>2619424He is capitulating to the /USApol/ position tho
>>2619404All of these "Why isn't everyone else doing direct action for me" posts are the dumbest shit on Earth.
BE is part of a group of people who makes comfy-living money from yammering into a microphone all day. He's a fucking streamer parasite, and he's bitching that people who actually have to work for a living aren't doing praxis for him.
Fuck off, BE, you stop being a streamer, pick up a gun, and do something yourself instead of whining that your audience of depressed self-hating burgers won't do it for you.
>watch some slop video essay about videogames
>"dude lenin wasn't so bad. stalin though?? that man was hitler 2.0"
>close video instantly
It's so tiresome
>>2619541>>"dude lenin wasn't so bad. stalin though?? that man was hitler 2.0"sounds like the average nafoid on this website
>>2619623Him and BE look like brothers
My tumblr got deleted (p ; w;)p
>>2619541I prefer people liking Lenin and hating nationalist Stalin than hating both.
>>2619404>>2619414Both white and westerners lmao
>>2619623BadEmpanada is an FBI asset
>>2619660No. But Alice Capelle is a CIA asset.
Why isn't China more pro lgbtq?
>>2619675Why should they?
>>2619681Wouldn't that be a good thing? Like legalizing same-sex marriage?
>>2619683Is that all you fucking degenerates do?
Land in leftist spaces and poison it with your never ending idpol gaysexxx demands?
>>2619683methinks they should abolish mariage altogether
>>2619686Most humans love sex, yes. Now explain to me why do you think it's bad.
>>2619691Never said its bad
What is bad is your never ending demands and hyper fixation on this, clearly intending to shit up any leftist construction
>>2619690>Never said its badYet you are avoiding the question I asked. Why can't you just give me a straight answer and be done with it.
>>2619696What question? I told you already it is not a bad thing
>>2619662What makes you so sure BE isn't an intelligence asset?
>>2619703Why should they be MORE pro lgbtq?
They are sufficiently so
>>2619706Alice Capelle told me
>>2619709>They are sufficiently soSame-sex unions are not recognized, therefore they do not get any benefits from the state like a normal couple would get.
>>2619686>degeneratesyoure not camoflauging yourself well
>>2619713Too bad
>>2619714Yeah i do not like wreckers
My only wish for 2026 is that leftists finally start listening to LGBT comrades and fight to give them equal rights.
>>2619717Fuck off class reductionist bigot.
>>2619717Imagine saying this while there is a trans genocide happening.
>>2619722you are generous assuming he cares about the working class at all and not just the abstraction of "the nation"
Happy new year to all spectacle enjoyers
My dog is terrified right now
Nice light spectacle tho
>>2619717I fail to see how legalizing gay marriage would somehow torpedo China. The majority of AES states already have it, and unlike China, they aren't world powers.
>>2619722>>2619725Bad bait.
>>2619717>>2619742>I fail to see how legalizing gay marriage would somehow generate profitSuch a privileged capitalist white take. Yeah sure, let's claim to fight for the working class but exclude some of them.
>>2619742>AES statessuch as?
>>2619762Cuba and Vietnam have both legalized gay marriage. I thought Laos had as well, but they're merely gay friendly. I do know that, according to opinion polls, the Chinese public is generally approving of same-sex relationships.
NTA, but the DDR had the most advanced and progressive trans rights policy globally in the years before being annexed into NATO. They also even had a state operated gay bar in East Berlin.
>>2619213>Anyways, when I would check in on ACP stuff, they would do things like participate in a turkey giveaway charity event in Washington state involving the police.Sauce? Because that's fucking dreadful if true.
>>2619785In general, it annoys me when people attribute an exact set of social values to socialism. Historically, moral values have varied depending on time and place, even within the same mode of production.
>>2619850Are you trying to make the GREAT INDUSTRIAL REVOLUTION look bad you fucking moron? Go ape in the forests if you like it, the rest of humanity will move forward
You disgusting piece of shit, muh extinction
Yeah we will wipe out whatever needs to be wiped out for the elevation of humanity
>>2619850You wanna be eCoLogIcAlLy sUsTaiNaBlE, then become a fucking hunter gatherer
Run the risk of having the woman die at every child birth
Among the mongrels who are born, normalise the fact that most will die before adulthood
Live like a chimp, you ecological fascist
>>2619850ContraPoints tier take
>>2619860To clarify I meant picrel, not anon's comment, which is good
>>2619853You are a social-treatlerite.
>>2619623he wont respond because it's a 140 minute video from a literal nobody.
>>2619404BE is just coming around to the positions people more cunning that himself were adopting when it mattered. Just as he now regularly retweets Max Blumenthal or clashes with the NAFO/Ukrop retards.Eventually he'll just have to come around to admitting the only good outcome wrt Ukraine is as thorough of a defeat as possible for NATO, regardless of the circumstances of liberal war, as well. Or not *shrug*. I mean he's retweeting that AJ "intercepted communication proving Assad was the real Zionist". Maybe he'll do the same for Ukraine's as well.
I wish him well, but all these Gaza people will soon become the fringe of the fringe again. Correct as they may be, the bills still need to be paid.The momentum will be dissipated as they become professional activists, compromise for a media career or make their content more appealing to the algo to keep the lights on.
>>2620357 (me)
Agitation without organization only works as far as the media plays along. You don't get vilified, you get ignored,subverted and eventually silenced since nobody knows or cares about you. For now, the media needs to keep Zionism in the spotlight along the opposition. In a few years it'll be the default again.
inb4 muh Democrat 2024 autopsy
inb4 muh BDS gorillions/Thawabit secret societies
inb4 muh human rights NGOs
inb4 muh MENA masses
inb4 muh axis of resistance
inb4 muh China will save us
>>2619404Dumbass falling for the narrative that westerners are "tricked" into tolerating genocide.
Basically the nazi "israel is tricking us" talking point.
Westerners aren't stupid, they know, if not consciously then unconsciously that the empire has to do the dirty work to secure their comforts.
Both "left" and "right" criticisms of the genocide are not meant to change anything about foreign policy but to influence domestic policy. Pushing their interests "in the name of" this or that hot button issue.
Idealist analysis from BE, perhaps even a chauvinistic one since he thinks the western masses are too stupid to realize what's going on
>>2620357>he now regularly retweets Max BlumenthalFurther proof that he's an opportunist. He did a video years ago during Ben Norton's time with the Grayzone ranting about their "Anti-American" and "Pro-Chinese/ Russian" bias. Now look at him. Does he really think the Imperial Core was more gentle in the past?. He's just another sinophobic western "leftist". I will never forget and forgive his involvement in doxxing Bayarea415.
>>2619853>>2619854The lack of imagination about an industrial sustainable communism is telling of rad-socdems
Clavicular killed a man
>>2620500Left anti ecology is the number 1 larper position. It is the typ of shit you can only believe when all your opinions are shaped by online arguments.
BE looks and act Israeli.
>>2620508bad start to the new year
How is Jackson Hinkle able to travel to all these countries and turn up in the US and Russia the next day and visit Yemen? We suspect that the figure 'Jackson Hinkle' is not a single individual, but a public avatar of a sophisticated program run by the Office of Naval Intelligence. Project JACKSON's primary mission is to target the naval capabilities of the rising multipolar powers and maritime security in the Red Sea Yemeni theatre.
This explains his travels to Moscow, Beijing, and his interest in the Houthis, and DPRK.
Bechtel Corporation was the key subcontractor for the hardware host, financial investment from In-Q-Tel, along with other yet to be determined key biotech firms. Approximately 20 biologically similar clones were farmed and given to the Project JACKSON.
This explains how 'Hinkle' has this superhuman ability to travel to Moscow, Venezuela, Yemen, China, and appear in his youtube studio within implausibly short timeframes. While he is in these locations, he is there to gather intelligence, data, port infrastructure, and liaise with local assets.
The ACP is the cover mechanism (created by Tulsi Gabbard's office), and promotes multipolar rhetoric as a screen to build up trust with target organisations and states.
>>2620512Common Maupoid W
>>2620469>I will never forget and forgive his involvement in doxxing Bayarea415.QRD?
>>2620357>I wish him well, but all these Gaza people will soon become the fringe of the fringe again. Correct as they may be, the bills still need to be paid.The momentum will be dissipated as they become professional activists, compromise for a media career or make their content more appealing to the algo to keep the lights on.Same as it ever was. Sad but true.
>>2620507Anon he is israeli, we have established this via his long lost brother:
>>2619698 >>2620508Is this actually real? "ACP is awesome" doesn't sound like the kind of phrasing Hasan would use.
If it is real, I wonder what the implications are.
>>2620512Why does he support Russia?
Yakub invented white people to punish humanity but after white people went too far he invented bad empanada to punish white people
>>2620655The National Socialism accusations get truer and truer every day.
>>2620684Can I please get an answer from a real human being? And can you please get a job?
>>2620705>Sex<K-47>Fuck a jobAgreed. Wise man.
>>2620508Doubt it's real. I had friends do this when they smashed up an arms factory of Israeli weapons, except with Chomsky 'supporting' them. Worked really well.
Shit example of it, but unironically co-opt the mouths of the 'radical'-celebrities to further your own projects.
>>2620731greta gang greta gang greta gang
>>26207311 and 3 are based. IDK who 2 is.
>>2620731>Socdems and ziggersWest is safe then lmao
>>2620508I've watched the clip, does anyone have context? I know historically Hasan hasn't been super keen on the ACP, so a sudden shift in opinion seems strange to me.
>>2620761Unless it's like "ACP is awesome dude, they're such funny clowns" then Hasan's straight up an FBI asset lol
>>2620764The Communist Party are not clowns. They are the vanguard
>>2620519>QRD?Bayare415 was a fairly popular ML youtuber with a Law degree before the start of the Deprogram. He used to explain and defend China and other socialist states wholeheartedly. Worst Empenada teamed up with the Infracels in their infancy and Haz before he dropped out of law school and to spread baseless rumors about him working as corporate lawyer. He got ultimately doxx by either of them or their supporters. He had to stop his channel and has since then never been heard again.
>>2620800yes that's the point anon
ACP is clearly an op, Hinkle is a known fed
>>2620813The Communist Party is recieved by Hamas. Is Hamas an OP? NO. you are the fed
https://vijesti.hrt.hr/svijet/najpoznatiji-americki-komunist-drzao-govor-pred-tisucama-hutista-12084176America's most famous communist gave a speech to thousands of Houthis
>>2620847>is hamas an op?obviously.
>>2620732You would have so many fucking reasons to arrest these people it's insane.
But I would be shocked if the Democrats make even a single arrest.
>>2620753I think I've finally discovered why I find the ACP so uniquely unappealing, which is that they're trying to appeal to an "average Joe" that doesn't actually exist, and instead end up alienating everyone.
Like, think about it.
They're too chuddy for radlibs, obviously. But they're also opposed to racism and like gassing up brown third-world nations, which is a no-go for the kind of people who watch Nick Fuentes. They make a big deal out of meathead "masculinity", spending much of their time shitting on both nerd media and mainstream pop culture, which turns off the Asmondgold GamerGate crowd and normies that watch Disney movies respectively. On the other end of things, they're way too intellectual for the kinds of people who watch manosphere channels, putting a major emphasis on studying very dry literature that the Andrew Tate crowd has neither the will nor ability to understand.
I could go on and on, but the point is, the number of people that this so-called "populist" party is actually willing to reach is extraordinarily slim. They make such a big stink of "meeting the working man where he is" and "representing the majority", so the irony of them gatekeeping anyone that doesn't fit their platonic ideal of what the working man "ought" to be is incredibly ironic.
They're also revisionist retards who like idealists like Plato and Heidegger, but that's beside the point.
>>2620847Hey, does anyone have that photo of Hinkle with Tulsi Gabbard?
>>2620888>I think I've finally discovered why I find the ACP so uniquely unappealing, which is that they're trying to appeal to an "average Joe" that doesn't actually exist, and instead end up alienating everyone.that average joe exists, he is just an outlier, rather than "average" and rather conservative and would never join a self described communist party. He is trying to appeal to the average
conservative not the average "joe"
in general with a party that such a person is trained to hate. That average conservative, in the United States, is also petty bourgeois, in addition to reactionary, so he also has no class interest in joining such a party, which is why the ACP has to go out of its way to be revisionist in the extreme, saying "ethical landlords can join our party!" or Hinkle going on some reichwing news slop to say communists don't oppose private property.
>>2620888also if the theory that they are feds is true, the goal is not to appeal to anyone, but to make communism unappealing to everyone at a moment when the leftover cold war attitude was starting to wear off.
>>2620888>which is that they're trying to appeal to an "average Joe" that doesn't actually exist, and instead end up alienating everyone.every western chauvinist leftoid does this because they're unable to recognize themselves as belonging to a society of treatlerites, otherwise their "project" of "national reivindication" would be in ruins. so they need to project an image of a working class ameerican and pretend they're reaching for that person in particular, even if that person doesn't exist.
>>2620907yeah no thanks i think eating chalk with a classroom filled with children with down syndrome would be more mentally stimulating than watching some newgrounds manchild rant about politics
>>2620920how about drinking a huge glass of cum
>>2620907I wish max still made videos :V
>>2620888>is extraordinarily slim.It's not quite a slim as you think. It mainly appeals to disaffected blue collar hispanics and other mixed race young men who can't get into white nationalism, hotep larping, or radlib landback fantasies because of their ethnic background. Also appeals any to white men who have an aversion to racism but were never brainwashed by liberal IDpol.
And anyone with half a brain can see how stupid Tate is and not everyone deeply cares about nerdy pop culture either.
>>2620888>Hey, does anyone have that photo of Hinkle with Tulsi Gabbard?which one?
>>2620961it's so fucked up how hot she is
>>2620968It's probably because she never had children. Smart move actually.
>>2620753MMA fighters have such shitty punching.
Should have shown leg work and other forms of striking because that was shit
>>2620888The Communist Party appeals to all workers. You are radlib detached from struggle. That is why you attack the Communist Party.
>>2620941I want to make it clear that my list of people they repel is not extensive.
The thing with the ACP is that it's against basically everything. I've worked with the kind of people who you're describing, and they still have baseline interests; they play video games, watch Netflix, etc. They don't dedicate their lives to these interests, but they still have them. The ACP, by contrast, is lead by the kind or people who brag about not owning a TV.
>>2621015>The Communist PartyCall it the ACP. They have like 600 members. They do not have the pull to dignify for the term "communist party" to be a synonym for them.
>appeals to all workers.At the bare minimum it doesn't appeal to me, so that statement is false.
>You are radlib detached from struggle.I'm a janitor. But hey, what do I know? I'm not a professional ??? like Haz, so I guess I do lack the expertise to talk about my own goddamn class.
>That is why you attack the Communist Party.I attack them because they repulse me. They're not relatable human beings; they're a bunch of speds who like LARPing as Saturday morning cartoon vilians.
>>2621022It's clearly a reaction to leftists being successfully painted as weak pushovers. Maybe they are overcompensating but there is nothing wrong with communists trying to appeal to men who are more into sports than Disney video games. The audience ACP is trying to get does exist even if they are going about it the wrong way.
>>2621032Trve we need jock socialism
>>2621022>Call it the ACP. They have like 600 members. They do not have the pull to dignify for the term "communist party" to be a synonym for them.After one year, China's Communist Party only had 200 member. So the Communist Party is doing very well.
https://www.idcpc.org.cn/english2023/tjzl/cpcjj/PartyCongresses/202307/t20230727_157814.html?utm_source=copilot.com Your observations are partially correct, but you are totally wrong as they destroy your every point. The Communist Party is most hardened and advanced fraction of working class, not DSA or CPUSA.
>At the bare minimum it doesn't appeal to me, so that statement is false.The Communist Party appeals to all but the most backwards and reactionary workers. Communist Party exist to lead proletariat, not appeal to aesthetic taste of janitor. YOU work with Communist Party. You listen to Communist Party. You attacks on Communist Party are nothing. Your attacks Communist Party are formulated on most lowly basis. 600 hardened cadres are worth far more than 5,000 or 50,000 CPUSA DSA paper members. All glory to the Communist Party.
>>2621032>Disney video games.No, I mean games like Call of Duty and Madden. These guys eat that shit up.
It goes back to what I was saying before: they're appealing to an average joe that doesn't actually exist. Growing up, every single jock I knew played video games. Specifically, they played Call of Duty, Battlefield, Halo, GTA, and Madden. I would hear them talk about these games constantly, to the point where I have to assume they were their primary form of entertainment. But according to Haz, our school football team was weak and soyish because they played video games for fun.
I question the size of the demographic that would not find the ACP's zero fun allowed policy to be off-putting. I'm not denying that such a demographic exists, it does, but it's a small enough minority that, on its own, it isn't going to move the needle.
>After one year, China's Communist Party only had 200 member. So the Communist Party is doing very well.The ACP should, in theory, have had a pretty decent head start because they inherited Haz and Hinkle's existing audiences. Turns out this doesn't actually amount to anything lmao.
>Your observations are partially correct, but you are totally wrong as they destroy your every point.That's an oxymoron.
>The Communist Party appeals to all but the most backwards and reactionary workers.The ACP barely appeals to anyone.
>Communist Party exist to lead proletariatIt should exist to be lead by the proletariat.
>not appeal to aesthetic taste of a janitorSee above, but replace "lead by" with "appeal to.
>YOU work with Communist Party. You listen to Communist Party.Go fuck yourself.
>You attacks on Communist Party are nothing.The ACP is nothing.
>Your attacks Communist Party are formulated on most lowly basis.Ah, you're right! How could I, a humble janitor, understand the class struggle? I must have a literal professional sperg inform me of what I already know from experience.
>600 hardened cadresHave you seen the publicity pics these guys have taken? They ain't hard in the slightest!
>All glory to the Communist Party.All glory to your mom's dried up pussy.
>>2621040Because it's reactionary. Next
>>2621040(Note: i am not endorsing this view. I am simply adopting the headspace of why some people usually identified with the right would support third worldism)
JDPON is a rejection to liberal individualism and capitalist technocracy, in favour of a confrontational, civilizational mindset.
To put it in normie terms, nobody in the third world want to listen to some cucklib economist who talk about how we need good governance or food security or female emancipation or whatever magical liberal thinking is pushed by WEF and the social democrat modernizers of old. These people assumed that there is a "correct way of doing political economy" and that if we do it hard enough the third world too can be as decadent and atheistic as the first world, then the whole world can become one giant reddit polycule where we all experiment with putting drugs up our asses
The communists rightly reject this by exposing the class tension inherent in the "correct way of doing things" that liberals are so proud of. However the Marxist is still trapped in internationalist "discourse" of the Modernizers, and pin its hope in an abstract movement of international declassed fighting against the Value Form.
JDPON and Third Worldism further concretized the abstract " proletariat" in the Real of the Worldhood; namely in tradition, ritual, and civilizational togetherness. Thus it is not enough to speak of 'Communism' but Communism of the Proletariat Nations, such as " Communism with Chinese Characteristics" and " Communism with Korean characteristics", but also " Communism with the Iranian characteristics" and Communism of the Rus in Russia!
>>2621066>To put it in normie terms, nobody in the third world want to listen to some cucklib economist who talk about how we need good governance or food security or female emancipation or whatever magical liberal thinking is pushed by WEF and the social democrat modernizers of old. These people assumed that there is a "correct way of doing political economy" and that if we do it hard enough the third world too can be as decadent and atheistic as the first world, then the whole world can become one giant reddit polyculethats cause the cucklib economist is a liar who just running cover for imperialists stealing their resources. the "correct way of doing political economy" is building productive forces and the food security female emancipation and athiest reddit polycule is the result of having development that the cucklib economist intentionally prevents in order to have justification for his looting
>>2620508Hasan is a DNC sheepdog grifter in the process of weaning his audience from anti-zionism, because he needs to shill the midterms and the new presidential election season.That's just Hasan's dayjob. It's what he does, it is literally the same as his uncle.
ACP, Greta, the ghost of Palestine Action and all the other PMC BS(like campus protests) make for good PR while prescribing nothing but grandstanding. The anti-zionism is already being done for you and it's influencers, philanthropy funded "career activists" and symbolic peaceful protests.
So with that covered… vote Democrats who are "good on Gaza" (liberal Zionists). That's your part. Don't you dare to withdraw support from my handlers at the DNC. We need to work *within* the Democrat party.
>>2621059You are common naysayer who attacks Communist Party, same as any anti-Communist attacks any Communist Party.
>That's an oxymoron.Incorrect. I will simplify for you: Your observations are only partially correct, yet your conclusions are utterly wrong, infantile, and immaterialist.
>The ACP barely appeals to anyone.Incorrect. The Communist Party appeals to the hardened workers. The Communist Party appeals to Houthis. Do you know better than Houthis?
>It should exist to be lead by the proletariat.You fail to grasp what Communist Party is. No wonder you are so fervent in attacking Communist Party. read lenin
>Ah, you're right! How could I, a humble janitor, understand the class struggle? I must have a literal professional sperg inform me of what I already know from experience.Let's consider you are correct. Your experiences in class struggle must be profound. You should take your experiences to the Communist Party instead of whining about the Communist Party like an infant. You are anti-Communist so you do latter. You never even consider that you are wrong. TO think oneself above the Communist Party under any condition is anti-Communist. You can see all evidence which proves you as wrong and a complicit anti-Communist, but you will always attack the Communist Party. That is why you are fervant anti-Communist.
>>2621033Yes.
>>2621059>I question the size of the demographic that would not find the ACP's zero fun allowed policy to be off-putting.I'm not defending everything about the ACP and agree the ACP's absolutist cultural stances are an overreaction that ultimately limits their reach. But the audience of blue collar young men they want to target is alienated from leftist groups simply for cultural reasons. Sermons about how sports and violent video games support toxic masculinity, ableism, settler colonialism and white supremacy doesn't really appeal to the average person either.
All I'm saying is it seems leftist groups go out of their way to antagonize potential recruits. There is nothing wrong with communists who like sports and "masculine" hobbies.
>>2621022>against basically everythingThey're opportunist nihilists perpetually stuck at negating everything because they're ultimately libs thinking denying shit like a pavlovian reaction equals "freedom". They are incapable of dialectics.
>>2621032Or it's just your typical incels overcompensating for their own perceived inadeqacies. Have you seen their members? If they're truly trying to be a "manly communist", where is the groundwork for a armed self defence militia? What's more "manly" then pushing against all those armed brown- and blackshirts like Patriot Front or Three Percenters? If they did materially prepared for this, I would at least respect their rhetoric about revolution. But for now they're just soy larpers whith a big mouth.
>>2621069I concur that the widespread ressentiment against liberal capitalism is fundamentally caused by inequality and lack of actual productive forces being built in the periphery, this is the conclusion of most third worldists too, added with the fact that most of the environmental and metabolic degradations caused by capitalism hit the Third World too.
However, even in an ideal world where we excercise political control over Capitalism and build productive forces in the periphery, would that be worth it? Is it truly meritorious to transform South Asia or Africa into yet another suburbanized, atomized and rootless entity as Amerika is, where social reproduction has collapsed and even identity itself becomes a commodity people pick and choose based on vibes?
The right-leaning people in the Third World movement would view this as a spiritual pollution, while the left leaning people will consider it as either an inevitable process of the Hegelian becoming which entailed in it a sense of universality, or just sip a coffee and say that this is simply how material conditions work and denying it is as deluded as denying the medieval system while living as a peasant in the 1000s. It is just a difference in opinion i suppose
>>2619404This biggest surrender to Jewish suprematism - and Hasan made this point as well - is to constantly emphasize that Judaism and Zionism are not only completely different things, but are not even slightly connected - as if you "owe" it to the Jews because Germany did the Holocaust. It's absurd when you think about it, because people can also not be bothered to make a distinction between Islam and Islamic terrorism at all when you ask the r/atheism crowd. Or that Christianity had absolutely nothing to do with the crusades or the witch burnings.
Constantly pointing out that some based secular antiimperialist Jews exist or have existed (which are like, 1%), or that Orthodox Jews exist that reject Zionism based on religious grounds (already pearl clutching), is ridiculous because we owe them nothing. The brutal truth is that 90% of all synagogues, Jewish communties, NGOs, etc. are completely or at least mostly in complete support of what Israel is doing and would give cheering ovations to Netanyahu.
>>2621085>because people can also not be bothered to make a distinction between Islam and Islamic terrorism at all when you ask the r/atheism crowdBut that's also bad tho. The biggest killer of muslims are islamists. So your point is mute.
>Constantly pointing out that some based secular antiimperialist Jews exist or have existed (which are like, 1%), or that Orthodox Jews exist that reject Zionism based on religious grounds (already pearl clutching), is ridiculousNo, cause it proves ideology isn't in the blood like rightoids believe.
>90% of all synagogues, Jewish communties, NGOs, etc. are completely or at least mostly in complete support of what IsraelYeah, that's the class struggle there. Communists don't have majority. Are we jut gonna cry after that fact? You don't wanna know the average socio-economic viewpoints in Saudi funded Mosques lmao.
>>2621088>But that's also bad tho. The biggest killer of muslims are islamists. So your point is mute.How so? I do not subscribe to the term "Islamism" anyway, it sort of like the liberal totalitarism vs open society theory but for Muslims. Still, I'd argue that the vast majority of Muslims do not support terrorist acts, but of course Islam as militant aspects.
>No, cause it proves ideology isn't in the blood like rightoids believe.Actually, you are making my point, because unlike Christianity and Islam Judaism has an aspect of blood (and soil) and not just faith. There is a reason why Israel looks the way it is, and the seed was already planted during the early days of "left-wing" Zionism in the 19th century. Opposing Zionism because you are an Orthodox Jew boils down to a theological question, but when the Zionists are correct then it would still be wrong to become a settler-colonial ethnostate in the Middle East - that's why it can never be principled opposition. And again, the percentage of actual secular Jewish opponents of Israel is incredibly slim.
>Communists don't have majority. You don't need to be a communist to oppose Israel's genocide. It's enough to be a liberal or even a fucking conservative with consciousness.
>You don't wanna know the average socio-economic viewpoints in Saudi funded Mosques lmao.There is a strong Muslim opposition to Wahabi lobbying, whereas there is almost none to Zionism in Jewish communities, this is also because Israel is the only Jewish state.
>>2621085A lot of American leftists are Jewish so you really have to be careful not to step on their toes. It is what it is; being a Leftist in places like India (or the UK for that matter) requires you to be tact when talking about Islam since a lot of your comrades will be coming from Islamic background.
>>2621081China built up its productive forces and didn't become a suburbanized, atomized, rootless entity.
Your cope?
>>2621085It's just essentially… Like you're just doing based idpol if you bitch about religion. That shit withers away on its own when you do more socialism, as seen in the statistics for Nordic model social democracy proven to be the direct cause of their declining religiosity.
You don't have to be le based atheist in order to solve the issues with organized religion. You just need to make them no longer necessary for many people to lean on for their social needs
>>2620508He has said before he considers the ACP to be to the left of himself I believe. Still unexpected for him to call them awesome
>>2621108>Still, I'd argue that the vast majority of Muslims do not support terrorist acts, but of course Islam as militant aspects.Islam commands Muslims to convert or kill all non-Muslims making it one of the most genocidal religions on earth. Funny enough the only exception Muslims allow to this genocide is Christians and Jews. Meaning if you are a Muslim who advocates killing all Jews you violate your own religion's rules against killing Children of the Book.
The Stranger Things writers really binned the entire show with that finale. That is generational garbage 😭 how did they fumble the bag this hard???
>>2621108>I do not subscribe to the term "Islamism" anywayTheocratic muslims. Like conservative christians. I don't care about the name, it's useful.
>unlike Christianity and Islam Judaism has an aspect of blood (and soil) and not just faith.They can have it. See eastern europe.
>"left-wing" Zionism in the 19th centuryAnd don't forget the obsession with "national liberation" by some "communists".
>the percentage of actual secular Jewish opponents of Israel is incredibly slim.Then it's the job of communists to make it larger lmao. That's the whole thing.
>You don't need to be a communist to oppose Israel's genocide.Yeah but non-communist opposition won't achieve anything.
>There is a strong Muslim opposition to Wahabi lobbyingLead by Shia islamists I'm afraid. Who center their critiques on "Saudis aren't islamist enough cause they are rich". Saudi wahhabism reigns as free as zionism. Both with US support.
>>2620731Kek I went to law school with Nerdeen
>>2621144shit everybody says yet nobody can prove
>>2621076Get a job.
>>2621079I don't fully disagree with you, but at the same time, it's also why I find them so frustrating. They've replaced one form of purity politics with another, and it's so goddamn annoying. I just want to live my life free from hassle and worry. I want to spend time with my friends and family, go to work, get home, watch Family Guy, go to bed, wake up, and repeat. I assume most people are like this, but for whatever reason nobody's selling what we're buying.
>>2621126It's a lot more suburbanized than you might think. Picrel. I don't get why the good life is seen as "decedent". I'm a socialist in large part because it's out of my reach.
>>2621145A thing I didn't even think about, the problem with focusing 100% on men 100% of the time is that women are half the goddamn population. And unlike in previous eras, where their lack of physical strength handicapped their ability to enact change, modern weaponry and industrial technology have by and large closed the gap.
>>2621385>The handles were screwed onto the interiors side of the cabinet door,hahah holy fuck
>>2621385link to the xitter post? wanna see the replies
>>2621385Holy shit lmfaoooooooo
>>2621416No, seriously, how do you fuck up that bad?
>>2621112jews and muslims are gross, weird, insular, have a superiority complex, often are scammy and elevate lumpen elements (see gross and weird) and are generally not pleasant to be around, so obviously they would dominate leftist spaces and wreck any sort of nascent movement.
>>2621175i watched a single episode and i knew the show's script had a tinge of improvisation and mystery boxness to it, so i knew it was going to fumble the ending just like Lost did back in the day, so i never watched a second episode.
>>2621422In what world is the term Communist favored amongst the American Working class.
>>2621385i think they're unscrewing the cabinet, but the most unrealistic portion of the video is that it's not illegal immigrants doing the cabinet installation
>>2621126theyre communist
>>2621081>>2621081>the left leaning people will consider it as either an inevitable process of the Hegelian becoming which entailed in it a sense of universality, or just sip a coffee and say that this is simply how material conditions work yeah thats pretty much what im saying
you can avoid the atomized rootlessness by being communist but if you stay liberal its also inevitable
>>2621496
Who?
>>2621145I'm so glad she was radicalized into socialism by her
>>2621385>>2621393Holy fuck that is embarrassing
>>2619854>>2619853I’d say this is schizoposting but it’s so much worse. I think we’re mature enough to realize that the incredible and irreversible pollution and destruction of both human beings and their environment caused by short term profit maximization during the Industrial Revolution was bad. We have spent enormous resources trying to reverse the damage and protect what we have, to mixed success. The microplastics aren’t going anywhere, and the extinct species will never return. We do permanently and for the rest of human existence, however long it lasts, will live in a forever dimmer and lessened world because of the greed and excess of a few short years.
>>2621695anti-ecologists have zero clue how much of our technological development depends on natural resources, particularly in the domain of chemistry which is responsible for most advances in materials science
>>2621699>anti-ecologists have zero cluecould have ended the sentence right there
>>2621733
>if it’s too late
>you can't change anything
Proof? Also you sure waste a lot of your time and energy demoralizing others for someone who's just trying to enjoy what little time they supposedly have left
>>2621730Dude, theory is fucking gay and for gay fags who read gay fag books. Youtube shorts and vibes 4EVER
>>2621730The second one is a non-fiction audio book, the first one some kind of video essay with an outrageous clickbait title.
Second Thought gets view counts like this with far more digestible videos.
Also, stop posting Socialism4All, guy is a certified moron.
>>2621749>Also, stop posting Socialism4All, guy is a certified moron.Kamala lost.
>>2621730"Socialism for all" are a most insidious type of revisionist. They are not Marxist. They use AI to effortlessly infantilize Marxists with their appended revisionist nonsense. These revisionists attack all Communist Parties.
>52:15reactionary bloc of the landlords and big bourgeoisie quick comment there um in the united 52:21states the democratic party always had elements of the big bourgeoisie and landlords etc however for a time52:28in the mid 20th century there was a period when the democratic party52:33cooperated to some extent with more proletarian forces in society it was
The revisionist attempts to use Mao to whitewash democrat party. Mao shook hands with Nixon, not a democrat.
"socialism for all" says China is not Communist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zt9k8SymAcASocialism for all will always have low views for it is a most unpopular form of dick riding.
>>2621085>This biggest surrender to Jewish suprematism - and Hasan made this point as well - is to constantly emphasize that Judaism and Zionism are not only completely different things, but are not even slightly connected - as if you "owe" it to the Jews because Germany did the Holocaust. Right.
>The brutal truth is that 90% of all synagogues, Jewish communties, NGOs, etc. are completely or at least mostly in complete support of what Israel is doing and would give cheering ovations to Netanyahu.Support for Israel yes, Netanyahu no. He's a very polarizing figure in Israel which is a big issue there. Not saying the anti-Bibi types are peace-loving hippies, but the same phenomenon exists with Trump where a majority don't like him, but those who are on the MAGA train vote for Trump no matter what. What Bibi has done there is make Israeli politics a referendum on pro-Bibi/anti-Bibi while convincing his own supporters that Oct. 7 was a conspiracy against him and not the conclusion of his own policies for 20 years.
>>2621108>Actually, you are making my point, because unlike Christianity and Islam Judaism has an aspect of blood (and soil) and not just faith. Eh, yeah sure. But Al-Quds is an Islamic holy site in a particular place. Muslims pray in a particular direction and there's the whole concept of Dar Al-Islam which Islamists emphasize assuming a territory in this world and territorial expansion in history as being proof of God's divine intent. Right-wing Christians who imagine themselves as anti-Islamic crusaders romanticize repelling the Muslims at the gates of Vienna, and Christian missionaries have been a tool for the expansion of European hegemony. The Jews might look at Christianity and Islam as really goddamned imperialistic by comparison because the Jews don't convert others. That'd be reductive though. At the end of the day there's no "faith" that exists in a purely idealistic sense. It's always a reflection of a social relationship between people in this world.
>>2621375>They've replaced one form of purity politics with another, and it's so goddamn annoying. I just want to live my life Yeah. I doubt there's escaping politics altogether, but I think it's healthy to have a real life outside of politics. You don't want to be one of these people who shows up to a political group with no friends, no hobbies, no life. Like, I have hobbies, but I need politics so I can have healthcare.
But you look at some of these groups… look at the far right. You'll discover a lot of those guys can't enjoy sports because black guys beat up white guys in football every weekend. They come to believe that it's a Jewish plot to demoralize white people or something, man I don't even know, it's crazy. Then they watch it anyways and feel guilty about it.
Another thing is that people who call themselves X and think they're doing something different can also feel subjected to various social pressures. The sense I get from the ACP is that they feel like they need to conform to certain expectations that are actually created by the right (for different purposes than their own). Like they're picking up boxing, sure whatevs, but Trump is hosting an MMA match on the White House lawn this summer. But one reason why the Republicans are doing this is because they believe in politics as an arena of theatre and power and they want Americans to be a tougher, more disciplined and war-like people who will be willing to serve as cannon fodder in a future war. But if you so internalize MAGA culture like this and dismissing any alternatives as weak or unserious or decadent or whatever, then maybe you're saying that MAGA was right all along.
There's also the concept of the "Big Other" in psychoanalytic theory which Zizek talks about. This is a thing that doesn't actually exist but functions in the minds of people as like a locus or imagined, idealized point of reference to regulate language, thoughts, and behavior. We essentially perform ideology in front of this imaginary entity which can take different forms. So you can come to think of the "workers" as not real existing workers but an imaginary point of reference for these guys (which is also shaped by political and commercial propaganda – not their own either).
>>2621749>>262175890% of Socialism4All's content is reading off important Marxist texts. Outside of changing the phrasing of certain things to be more gender neutral and adding in cues to make them work better as audio books, they are more or less verbatim the original texts, with whatever commentary he adds being clearly separated from the text itself. I've personally cross-reference his readings with the texts on marxists.org in order to verify their accuracy, although there's always a chance I missed something, so please let me know if I did.
>The revisionist attempts to use Mao to whitewash democrat party.He shits on the democrats constantly. It's weird how on one hand, no level of ideological commitment is good enough for you, but on the other hand, you worship the ACP, a party where the leadership revises shit all over the place.
>Socialism for all will always have low views for it is a most unpopular form of dick riding.Again, most of his content is reading off shit from marxists.org. If the word of Mao Zedong in audio form is unpopular, then Marxism has no future and we might as well kill ourselves now.
>>2621749>Second Thought gets view counts like this with far more digestible videos.his average videos get like 50K-200K. 200K is like 65x lower than 13 million
>Also, stop posting Socialism4All, guy is a certified moron.He mostly just reads audiobooks of Marx, Engels, Lenin, and Stalin. I find I agree with him on most things except his stance on China.
>>2621758>"Socialism for all" are a most insidious type of revisionist. They are not Marxist. They use AI to effortlessly infantilize Marxists with their appended revisionist nonsense. These revisionists attack all Communist Parties.He doesn't use AI. At all. What are you fucking talking about? Socialism4All is an anti-revisionist Marxist-Leninist channel that posts human-read audiobooks. Why are you lying like this? your'e so fucking annoying in every thread but you don't usually lie this obviously. Got I hate imageboard losers. You guys just shit on everything like assholes.
>>2621487first as tragedy then as farce
>>2621795>Outside of changing the phrasing of certain things to be more gender neutralI don't think he even alters them like that. Tons of older Marx texts still have "Mankind" "Man" etc. on his channel. You're alleging he radlibs them up when he doesn't.
>>2621818He actually did do it very early on, so I was hedging my bets in case he also did so later.
>>2621821He doesn't anymore, but towards the end of reading volume 1 of capital he did replace one instance of the N word with "black slaves"
>>2621730>libs making sociopathy look coolClassic combo
>>2621800>Socialism4All is an anti-revisionist Marxist-LeninistHe said China wasn't Communist. He attacks Communist Parties. He is revisionst.
>Outside of changing the phrasing of certain things to be more gender neutral and adding in cues to make them work better as audio books, they are more or less verbatim the original texts, with whatever commentary he adds being clearly separated from the text itself.No Communist reads Mao On Contradiction and says, "this is best represented by uh, the proletarian qualities of the democrat party." Despite that, no matter how much one calls oneself "anti-revisionist," they will be unpopular if when they say China is not Communist.
>>2621795I strongly suspect the entire channel is AI. Only an AI would make so many worthless videos in service to revisionism. He may sound human, but he is not. No human Communist would say what he says.
>If the word of Mao Zedong in audio form is unpopularThe unadulterated written form is superior and far harder to twist with revisionism than "socialism for all"' format of constant revisionist interjection.
>>2621849>I strongly suspect the entire channel is AI. Only an AI would make so many worthless videos in service to revisionism. He may sound human, but he is not. No human Communist would say what he says.Meds.
>The unadulterated written form is superior and far harder to twist with revisionism than "socialism for all"' format of constant revisionist interjection.I'm starting to suspect that the only thing you've ever seen from him is the negative video he did on China.
>>2621849on contradiction is easily one of maos most retarded pamphlets (and theyre all quite stupid)
<uhhhh, uhhhhhhhhh contradiction is when uhhhhh two things are like uhhhhhh oppositehe was one of the biggest pseuds alive
>of the 500 videos seen my some reporter, no less than 104 were AI slop, and a further 33% were brainrot
I WANT OUT OF MR BAUDRILLARDS WILD RIDE
>>2621867how dare you mao definitely read Capital that's why he thought backyard steel production was a good idea
>>2622007its the same nonsense that causes people to side with nick fuentes because he says something critical of israel
>>2622007Icke was always a left-lib hippy but instead of blaming racism or conservatives for bad things like normal liberals he blames lizards.
>>2622007the whole shtick of that account is misato being DESPERATE for views
>>2622015That's what "leftism" is: vibes
be's thumbnails are so attention whoring but he stills gets so little views it makes me feel sad :(
>>2622105Tbh he gets more views than he should. The guy isn't very smart, he doesn't contribute with anything meaningful, his style of polemics is dogshit, and his political line is retarded. He had a few good videos in his main channel a few years ago and thats it.
>>2621849>anti-revisionist>He is revisionst.true in a sense but "anti-revisionist" is a tendency following albania over both ussr and china in the sino-soviet split and later independent after the fall of albania
more accurately he is a special type of non-leftcom dogmatist. hes not exactly wrong on theory as much as he is wrong about the facts on the reality of china
>>2622563Dogmatism is revisionism
>>2622117>he doesn't contribute with anything meaningfulI mean, he used to at least try. Now he's almost exclusively youtube/twitter drama. Only slightly above those channels who keep making videos about boogie2988.
>>2621385>The handles were screwed onto the interiors side of the cabinet door>>2621437>When cabinets are delivered (if they are prebuilt) they install the handles on the inside so they don't damage other parts of the cabinetry or get damaged themselves.OK, but either way my headcanon is the ACP goons put them on the inside and Haz dwells in there.
>>2622590Dogmatism is stupid, but it is most definitely not revisionism.
>>2622590"Socialism for all" is dogmatic but only in his service to revisionism.
>>2624256"Socialism for all" is not a political actor. The label of opportunism cannot apply. He just uses AI to read theory and append his revisionist interjections.
>>2622563I strongly contend that you are wrong. "Socialism for all" cannot be theoretically correct because "socialism for all" creates no theory. "Socialism for all" just takes existing theory and ruins it with his revisionist "explanations"
The greatest theory he create is "china is capitalist"
Therefore he is wrong
you know youre talking to a moron when they post anime
>>2624256>you know youre talking to a moron when they go on about "revisionism" instead of "opportunism"Lenin opposed both. Was he a moron?
>>2624290>He just uses AI to read theoryhe literally doesn't. i can only assume you're trolling if you repeat this lie. I also assume you're "dickrider" anon from /usapol/? If you look at this guy's videos he's very anti-dickrider. He is opposed to platner and even mamdani. He doesn't sue AI to read theory, he does human read audiobooks. He actually stays away from /isg/ topics for the most part. Why are you lying about this guy? he does a great service by making Marxist content available as free audiobooks. He is very similar to Dessalines (the creator of Lemmy) in that regard, but I can't stand Dessalines's voice (no offense to him).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOAII71GaFY&list=PLXUFLW8t2sntNn5jQO8vF7ai9x0fna3PVLike he made the entire Movimiento Anti-Imperialist's Marxism-Leninism study guide playlist freely available. That took hundreds of hours of volunteer labor on his part. Before he did this he spent 2 decades as an organizer. He doesn't run ads. I think it's telling that you try to shit on this guy when there's a million drama grifters out there.
>>2621852you were not following the conversation properly if you think that pic is relevant to what we were talking about.
Why is ISG obsessed with BE, an insufferable, halfwit Israeli with a lisp?
>>2624323I know it‘s you CPUSAnon. Still butthurt over BadEmpanada?
Never trust a greek
>>2624321I have perused the playlist you sent. Within vidrel, "socialism for all" uses his lesson to call bernie sanders "of proletarian interest." This completely negates the utility of the entire lesson of the Communist Manifesto. He attacks Communist China more ferociously than bernie sanders, while defending bernie sanders, therefore he is a dick rider.
>1:13:46 down again as it did in 2008 and also the United States is facing a political 1:13:53 election possibly involving the emergence of some proletarian interests 1:13:58 in Bernie Sanders although which form of socialism does Bernie Sanders representWe say "socialism for all" is AI to give him credit because it is unfortunate that a human would make so many mistakes and waste so much time in service to revisionism. "Socialism for all" is a crypto-dickrider, for he has more hours "criticizing" Communist China and other Communist Parties as capitalist than he does against dickriders. He promotes the zionist bernie sanders. That is why "socialism for all" is unpopular, for they present the most unpopular form of dickriding. They attack Communism and only half-attack capitalism.
The political theorist "Bad Empanada" does far more for Communism by covering happenings and debunking agents of imperialism than someone who spends every day revising scientific socialist theory. The Notorious Bad Empanada gets far more views than the respected "socialism for all" because he is far more correct because he is closer to Communist line and not dedicated to revisionism.
The very name "socialism for all" is testament to their revisionism. Socialism is not "for all." Socialism is for workers and peasants. In Communist China, socialist transformation was only completed once New Democratic Era had ended, as decreed by Eighth National Congress of the Communist Party of China.
https://www.marxists.org/subject/china/documents/cpc/8th_congress.htm "For all" means exploiter and exploited, and imperialist and colonized. To preach "socialism for all" is to deny the dictatorship of the workers and peasants and to support imperialism. "Socialism for all" is irreconcilable contradiction to Communism and therefore anti-Communist.
To make scientific socialism palatable to "all" means to make compatible with imperialist and capitalist which is why he attacks Communist China
>>2625080>The political theorist "Bad Empanada" does far more for CommunismHoly fuck you're braindead.
On the note of popularity, weren't you the guy defending the ACP's low membership?
>>2625584Please be respectful. Your question of the complements of the revisionist party and the Communist Party is a question of composition and tacticality, with no relevance to popularity. 600 swamp-hardened cadres will always surpass 10,000 or even 100,000 paper member. Bad Empanada has been positive by exposing imperialists and hardening anti-zionism. For every time he is wrong, he is right times over. Correct me if I am wrong, but the revisionist is negative. Anyone can read aloud the Communist Manifesto, but only most craven revisionist is compelled to use Mao Thought to outwardly support the zionist bernie sanders.
>>2625723>Please be respectfulWhy? If you're willing to tolerate Haz having autistic meltdowns on stream, there's no reason you can't tolerate me calling you an idiot.
>the Communist Party is a question of composition and tacticality, with no relevance to popularity.So why the fuck are you so keyed in on S4A's popularity? Why does that matter?
>Anyone can read aloud the Communist Manifesto, but only most craven revisionist is compelled to use Mao Thought to outwardly support the zionist bernie sanders.He doesn't support Bernie Sanders you neanderthal. He shits on him constantly. The point he was trying to make was that Sander's popularity in the 2010s was the result of a growing appetite for leftist politics in the US, which is true. Compared to the neoliberals surrounding him, Bernie's succdem reformism was a noticeable shift to the left. Also, he made that video in 2020, way before Zionism was something on most Americans' minds, so the example would have read somewhat differently back then.
Your inability to perceive nuance does not mean that nuance doesn't exist. And your unwillingness to make actual arguments makes no sense considering you spending so much goddamn time "correcting" people anyway.
>>2625900This guy's obviously just a seething pedo. I'm 110% sure he blames jews and communism for age of consent laws.
Really need to know what Anna and Dasha think about the Venezuela situation.
100 bucks says they talk about how sexy Maduro looked
>>2626050Anna will say some edgy groyper shit and Dasha will vacantly nod along
>>2626101
It’s really fucked. I learned recently that Roblox of all things is a prime grooming hub, you know things are bad when pedos hang out in mmos for children.
>>2625900Being mentally disabled? Idk that's the most courteous take I can give this guy
>>2625975>So why the fuck are you so keyed in on S4A's popularity? Why does that matter?Because revisionism is unpopular and the correct line is more effectual. More revisionism = less popularity. Popularity is not our concern because that means to vulgarly analyze social media metrics( which is fine because the greatest revisionists lose on this front.)
I mean to say that making revisionism one's life's work is to make their life worthless. Someone said "socialism for all" spent 20 years "organizing." If after "20 years of organizing," one says, "China is not Communist," then they are organizers of anti-Communism.
We dont grant nuance for anti-Communists or ziomists. Nuance is to be granted to people who arent 100% wrong. Not one inch of ground is to be given. Bad Empanada is the same as "socialism for all" on China, but he is more correct on questions of imperialism so that is the nuance
>>2625900Oh yeah, nearly forgot to mention there's a whole mess of lore surrounding that Yoshi guy
He allegedly beat his dog over Mamdani winning (which he then denied, but he said it himself that he has impulse control problems due to a brain tumor so who knows!)
>>2626112>Because revisionism is unpopular and the correct line is more effectual. More revisionism = less popularity. Popularity is not our concern because that means to vulgarly analyze social media metrics( which is fine because the greatest revisionists lose on this front.)Is this AI?
>>2626149Is Sergio his actual name lol
Thoughts on rdrama.net? I can't exactly articulate my thoughts but it seems to be the purest example of spectacle and commoditization on the internet
take a few seconds to rank your namefags:
https://strawpoll.com/w4nWWOoPYnA>>2626350She wasn't spreading her ass cheeks in that last picture. If she's going to spread ass cheeks I want to see her butthole.
>>2626112BE shill bots in thread
>>2626112> Everything you are theeing ith the direct rethult of the fall of the UththR, and itth thuppothed'replacemment' in China being a capitthalitht nathtion with no real ideologithal project beyond thelf benefit. China leaveth the world to be repeatedly aththaulththed by Amethtican and Ithtaeli pedophilth without tho much ath a thtern warning while it rethteiveth unconditionthal loyalthty from a not inthignifithant portion of the internathtional left. A country in Venezuela'th thitthuation when the UththR wath thtill around would have immediathtely been thent dozenth of Thoviet military advithorth and copiouth amountth of the motht modern military hardware to help them deter an invathtion before it even happened. China? Doeth nothing, jutht iththuth a thtern letter after the fact, and then probably abthtainth on a Thecurity Counthtil dethouncement vote. It'th not "Do nothing, win." It'th jutht do nothing and leave everyone elthe to die over and over and over. They won't even do uth the bathtic courtethy of invadthing Taiwan.
>>2626866Why the hell are you still on twitter?
>>2626933They probably just searched (which is accountwalled on twitter, proving they have an account) for whatever country that flag is + furry and then posted it for bait.
Privacy-frontendbros aren't beating the allegations
>>2626933>>2626974saw it as a retweet you dumb schizo
>omg whered you get this post with over 1000 rtsok dude lmao 👍
>>2625975he's an annoying wrecker troll who appears in every thread. he even admitted to using LLMs to troll.
#nukenewyork
>>2626996I never understood the hate for S4A. Like probably more than 90% of his catalog is straight up readings. How autistic does one have to be to screech about maybe that 10% where he voices an opinion?
Also
>>2625080 smells of LLM desperately trying to meet the prompt about "BadEmpanada" and "S4A" for which it has no context other than surface googling.
>>2627024That's not LLM. It's just Mao's writing style.
>>2627046Forney was Soy Right before it was a thing. No wonder he's loving Trump 2
>>2626963I am upset about this. I am upset that the cops are always the ones to bash him.
happy new year ya fucken dogs. I hope 2026 is the year the empire falls, but I'd settle for an Ethan Klein bankruptcy.
>>2627268Ethan Klein bankruptcy and Evan Reif presidency
Please
sucks that the only person currently reporting and doing something agaisnt neo nazi accelerationist cults is a maga kiwifarms enjoyer
>>2627452>againThat's a ban, right?
>>2627452sorry, who the fuck are you and why should I care??
This Reddit was taken over by the ACP which is haz party and Jackson Hinkle. So all of the moderators of it and the people who curate post are members of that party. But there's a ton of stragglers in there who think this is just a normal socialist Reddit and they go in and get outraged by the post
Like go through all the top posts about Venezuela. Look how angry the people get
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskSocialists/>>2627621I remember getting banned from that sub because I said the ACP is just about calling every other socialist org bad while pandering to reactionaries.
>>2627560Therapy doesn't fix shit. Every person I've known in Therapy has been the most miserable draining person to interact with. If it worked to solve problems, people wouldn't go for years and years with no progress. Just a tool to shift responsibility onto the victims.
>>2627635you need some friends bro
>>2627633>Just a tool to shift responsibility onto the victims.Therapy is a secular replacement for the Catholic Confessional, an expression of the liberal panopticon. All their solutions are attempts at brainwashing citizens to behave as good little workers. In those posts they actually frame her betraying someone to the authorities as somehow her taking back personal power and also somehow fixing her capacity to trust. Incredible.
>>2627798Ngl i prefer them doing this than talking out of their ass about how Trump is gonna make the huwhite man employable by deporting 100 million hispanics. Incest is much more interesting
>>2627720Everytime the U.S. does something outrqgeous and illegal for demented strategic goals with no plan for the next day we always get this flood of responses of people screaming about China. It’s irrelevant. China doesn’t do this kind of intervention since and because of the the sino-Vietnam war.
But to the U.S. China is the ultimate justification for anything it does. So I guess it makes sense that everyone in the west sort of internalizes this idea that China is supposed to be this anti-American force.
>>2627860This is a completely zogged things of view anon ngl fr fr. Catholic confessions is fundamentally an act of *reconciliation* between you and the Other (community, God, etc etc). Therapy seeks to do the opposite, it tells you that you have to seek independence from the other and be your authentic self. This is why the reddit screenshot potrayed her snitching as taking agency, in the sense that she does what she think is right regardless of its impact on other people and how the Other might perceive such a betrayal
>>2627891>Therapy seeks to do the opposite, it tells you that you have to seek independence from the other and be your authentic self. It's not the opposite. Catholic confessions is an attempt to use people's personal conscience to change their behavior in a way that benefits medieval societies. Therapy is doing the same but in the neoliberal mold. Her snitching is the ultimate submission to the larger society as she is reporting a legal infraction created by a state. They are using individualism to atomize people and dissolve local personal bonds to reorganize their behavior in a way that benefits a different group.
imo Maoist Struggle Sessions do the same thing…
>>2627984We really need an ai police to rescue those ai children from their ai abusers then make some ai prisons to punish them for their ai crimes.
>>2628039even if it's ai generated the people producing and consumping this content are still paedos and merit investigation.
>>2627984But grok had to train on something, therefore people who trained grok are paedos
>>2627984It's important to remember that Elon was a friend of Epstein.
No doubt he is trying to normalize it.
Your opinion of Iron Felix:
https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVL8JGn3Your opinion of Chagos poster:
https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVL8JGn3Your voice matters, anons.
>>2628450
create one for cpusa anon and lear
>>2628456UYGHA BOTH OF THESE LEAD TO THE CHAGOS POLL
>>2628458>>2628459Oh my bad:
Your opinion of Iron Felix:
https://strawpoll.com/mpnb1lXaEy5Your opinion of Chagos poster:
https://strawpoll.com/XOgOVL8JGn3Your voice matters, anons.
>>2627928I had a look in my region. only three chvddies but what's funny is that they all live in bumfuck nowhere where there's probably not an immigrant for literally 10's of kms around. one of them even uses his actual real name as his handle. double checked with another service where he's listed as living elsewhere in the country, but the age is a match
>>2628531I wouldn't even piss on her
>>2628531Ah yes, the alcoholic shitlib Hillary-diddling sloptuber knows what is 'stupid' and what is not.
>>2628531>British but born in fucking Arlington, Virginia>graduated from fucking Georgetown>Straight-up liberal zionist, stayed silent during the gaza genocide>Literally knows Hillary Clinton personally >protects sexual abusers and rapists because of optics>degenerate opioid junkie>Wrote Epstein apologia on Twitter>videos about completely deradicalized pseudointellectual mainstream topics>Now discovered RussiagateBoth Maupin and Bad Empanada were right about Breadtubers.
>>2628572Contra is the Sturmbanfuhrer the shitlibs deserve.
>>2627928I bet that hacker was a transwahman.
Chinese internet censorship is a libertarian free speech utopia compared to Contrapoints subreddit
>>2628620r/HHonKKKypointSS is a cult.
>>2626350someone do this with elon
>>2628766Rightoids are the new SJWs lmao. Like bicthes haven't been saying "muh nazi flags are cool, but don't judge me" for years.
>>2628766hezbollah flag is really cool, you gotta hand it to em
Do Americans recognize that the bad guys in all the movies they watch resemble themselves? I just watched the latest Avatar (didn't see the previous one) and it's so clearly native americans vs. colonizers to the point it's lazy. The second Dune movie is literally about a swagged out whiteboy who joins Hamas. Do the people who work on these movies even recognize it?
>>2629524She sells a false image of Vietnamese socialism to burgers for money. She's also sinophobic.
Very talented grifter.
YOU PAY NOW, AMERIKKKAN >>2629528>sinophobicHow so?
>>2629531She said previously something along the line of "Vietnam and China will NEVER be friends."
>>2629533Sounds like a political prediction, not anti-Chinese racism
>>2629524She OCR scans official vietnamese schoolbooks for elementar schoolers and puts it through a ChatGPT translation to English and sells it online for good money under her name, giving tge impression to the eternal westoid that they are reading advanced theory or something.
Extremely talented, westoid-milking grifter. Two levels above Nigerian Prince e-mail scammers, I'd say.
>>2629537lol can you post examples?
>>2629535She was assessing the past, present, and future of sino-viet relations. She is placating the burgers' anti-china sentiment for good money.
>>2629539Just search her fucking channel
"Book"
"Translate"
Etc
>>2627984The pen is mightier than the grok
>>2628145absolutely it was trained on CSAM
>>2629524her videos about how vietnam works are good to redpill normies about how barbaric and retarded western liberal democracy is in comparision
>>2628459the great comrade stalin was yakubian too, sadly
hasan has moved on from condemning the USA government for invading Venezuela to shitting on his chatters for wanting USAnians to do something about it
>>2629559very CPUSAnon coded
>>2629537>>2629528suck shit cointelpro. she's a graduate student who in addition to new media has a long history serving vietnam in the youth council. maybe instead of spreading easily debunked lies you should do something about indonesia joining BRICS and vietnam rocketing past your puppet state in the phillipenes in human development metrics.
loser.
>>2629601>when you are a westoid financially invested in supporting your third world e-celebHhahaaha, oh wow. You made the ETHICAL choice, anon. You are COMPLETELY good person, 100% 👍 😊.
Defend her HONOR
Let your money SPEAK
>>2629610you're an op you killed lumumba
>>2629559Hasan is an asset of the Democrat / Lib establishment who exists to funnel would be young leftists into being do-nothing, by-any-votes-necessary, neoliberal social democrats. All while letting them retaining a radical, leftist aesthetic.
Someone who believes posting in Twitch chat or buying a Che t shirt is praxis and will vote blue no matter who poses no threat to the US government.
>>2629524they're alright. far from the deepest theory but good introductory videos. also interesting looks into Vietnam
I wonder what Viet Anon thinks about them
>>2629650hasan is a big tent social democrat that opens the door to anti-fascism, anti-racism, principled anti-imperialism, unionism, demonstration, and marxist theory and praxis. there are absolutely democrat aligned sheepdogs that absorb energy and channel it to the democrats, the majority report, Agent Kochinski, and destiny being the most egregious examples.
I have seen nothing but qualified support for dems from hasan. he was not ridin with biden, he denied kamala was brat. the fact is that electoralism is the only political engagement the majority of usraelis practice. the liberals for their sins weren't building concentration camps, or using brown shirt paramilitary irregulars to cram random people into them.
you can criticize hasan for being lame or entry-level, everything beyond that is just obvious astro-turf from crypto-fascist infiltrators: zionists, larouchites, patsocs, etc.
>>2629559where da sauce at?
>>2629764>the liberals for their sins weren't building concentration camps, or using brown shirt paramilitary irregulars to cram random people into them.is this bait?
>>2629773your nihilism only serves the fascists. people that become demoralized into believing the game is rigged stop participating. marx has shown us that this analysis is false and ahisotorical: communism is inevitable.
trump has dropped the pretense and is openly using brigades of fascist thugs and openly flouts legal constraints on authority. this is a meaningful change from business as usual: not only is it a significant escalation of class war, the deliberate use of shock and awe tactics are designed to demoralize resistance and deliver a calculated chilling effect on political participation.
we can absolutlely describe hitlerism/trumpism as a continuation of the war on terror, but it's reductive to flatten the entire history to the endgame we're now experiencing.
tell me, is this bait?
>>2629786We are not in endgame. We can still vote democrat and fix this
I just realized that Wikileaks has removed the remaining insurance torrent files from
https://file.wikileaks.org/torrent since July 1, 2024.
https://web.archive.org/web/20240701204310/https://file.wikileaks.org/torrent/The files were:
wikileaks-insurance-20120222.tar.bz2.aes.torrentwlinsurance-20130815-A.aes256.torrentwlinsurance-20130815-B.aes256.torrentwlinsurance-20130815-C.aes256.torrent2016-06-03_insurance.aes256.torrent2016-12-09_WL-Insurance.aes256.torrent2017-01-25_WL-Insurance.aes256.torrentWhat could the meaning of this be?
>>2629786>nihilism Pointing out liberals have done those things is not nihilism tho
>>2629764>the liberals for their sins weren't building concentration campsobama sure was
>>2629837I would personally advise voting PSL or green, but you do you brother. we can anticipate ICE attacks on in-person voting and massive voter suppression. this will be an opportunity to build popular support but only if there is resistance: if it goes unanswered it will be used as a sign of consent by the fascists.
>>2629872>>2629882this is deception through false equivalency: ICE was a bush era creation that was carried forward during Obama and Biden, but massively expanded under trump
> expanded use of force> targeting of schools, hospitals, places of worship> expanded scope to target non-criminals, and from casework on human trafficking and smuggling to general immigration enforcement> expanded budget> expanded access to state surveillance apparatus> militarizationwe should be specific: liberals are shit for having no agenda, and no will to dismantle authoritarian branches of government created during the war on terror. trump has taken these undemocratic precidents and run with them.
you can't expect the kind of twat that watches the daily show to jump to an ultraleft position overnight, you need to meet them where they're at. this shit is spiraling towards ᴉuᴉlossnW fascism in real time, and people are being disappeared: libtards have always given more breathing room for organization.
so fucking spare me these pithy one liners.
>>2629515>Everyone in the world secretly thinks exactly like a redditor with a superiority complexReally tells you something about the comic artist.
>>2629786>openly flouts legal constraints on authority. Oh no, not the legal constraints!
Newsflash, those were always a fiction and power comes from who controls military power aka the executive branch since the beginning of history. Roman Senators used to whine about this 2000 years ago so you would think people learned their lesson by now.
>>2629911>Oh no, not the legal constraints! >Newsflash, those were always a fictionwhores like you roll over to easily: when conceding a moral victory, you're also conceding a material victory it could have been leveraged to achieve
>>2629899>we should be specific: liberals are shit for having no agenda, and no will to dismantle authoritarian branches of government created during the war on terror.liberals are shit because they are agents of a bourgeois political project. they have an agenda which represents a coalition of sectional interests within the bourgeoisie. on the issue of immigration specifically, said agenda actively incites reactionary popular anti-immigrant sentiment through objectively deleterious neoliberal migration policy, and then surrenders to it almost immediately when pressed as we all witnessed when the dems tried to meet don where he was at on immigration in this past burger election.
the notion that the trump administration represents a radical escalation of previous policy does nothing to limit the complicity of his opposition, and even less to acknowledge the active role they took in building toward the current escalation and manufacturing the popular sentiment that motivates and mandates it.
>>2629918>when conceding a moral victory, you're also conceding a material victory it could have been leveraged to achieveno one concedes anything in the simple acknowledgment that liberals are instrumental and generating and facilitating the very material defeats at issue here. it should also go without saying that no, moral victories are not leveraged to achieve material victories. moral victories are anywhere and everywhere taken in the absence of material victory. the material victor has no need for conceptual high ground.
>>2629934They're right about China being too pussy to actually fight AmeriKKKa but no worker's revolution will emerge out of bombing or flooding millions of people.
>>2629918>when conceding a moral victory, you're also conceding a material victoryWorkers should have ignored this liberal moralist bullshit from the start. By pretending their legal fiction has any real power they overlooked how things actually work. It's the same stupidity of fighting for "rights" to be granted to them by the bourgeois state that could rescind those "rights" at any point.
Workers should aim to take power directly, not beg the bourgeoisie to pass fake laws they could always ignore.
>>2629932>liberals are shit because they are agents of a bourgeois political projectyou're working at a theoretical level not addressing the injustice.
>the notion that the trump administration represents a radical escalation of previous policy does nothing to limit the complicity of his oppositionagain, and you're so hellbent on attacking shitlibs that you're losing sight of the fascists.
>moral victories are not leveraged to achieve material victorieswhat but injustice stirs the popular movement? inspires the bolshevik, the zapatista? victories in the courts are also not unheard of.
we can't build power through disengagement. hasan seems to get this, BE gets this, the deprogram boys get this. your obsession with shitlibs is parasocial, sadomasochistic, and masturbatory.
>>2629932>>2629918you put the cart before the horse. you clowns would have lenin fight the kadets and mensheviks before the white army was defeated.
If you havent voted, pls vote now.
Cpusa anon poll:
https://strawpoll.com/7rnzV48manOking lear poll:
https://strawpoll.com/PKgleOB3EZpalso vote for this anons polls too
>>2628460>>2629961This is where getting your political theory from booklet e-celebs lead you: lib apologia.
>>2629968the difference between us is that I despise engaging in lib apologia. you seem more than satisfied with a praxis that is orthodox, elitist, cloistered, marginal, and weak. ecstatic to maintain a movement that doesn't engage with the culture, tears down its own champions, and ultimately defeats itself.
for good or ill today's medium is social media and you piss and moan without providing a worthy alternative.
>>2629961>you're working at a theoretical level not addressing the injustice.you are working at the level of idealist moralism. i
i'm not attempting to address an ethical injustice, i am attempting to address a material structure of political economy so as to better understand how to act against it.
>you're so hellbent on attacking shitlibs that you're losing sight of the fascists.i'm attacking the notion that voting for or collaborating with the liberal opposition accomplishes anything other than resetting the ratchet. anyone who disagrees learned nothing from trump 1.
>what but injustice stirs the popular movement?the technical inability of the economy to provide the population's means of subsistence and reproduction.
>we can't build power through disengagement. the form of engagement you advocate only builds bourgeois power.
>hasan seems to get this, BE gets this, the deprogram boys get this.leaving aside that this is the thought process of a child, and that no thinking human care about what any of these people have to say, BE absolutely is not in favor of collaborating with western liberals.
>you put the cart before the horse. you clowns would have lenin fight the kadets and mensheviks before the white army was defeated.that's literally what he did lmao. the bolsheviks overthrew the provisional government before fighting the civil war against the whites. that's what the october revolution *was*.
>>2630012>you are working at the level of idealist moralismbig miss, big fat fucking miss. I am talking about a strategy of communications and engagement to build popular support that involves:
< voicing the grievances of the oppressed> (even if we have to accept the liberal framing for the time being)< establishing trust and recognition< offering radical education in political philosophy
>collaborating with western liberalsI'm not advocating for collaboration. I'm saying that dropping out is a shit strategy for two reasons: it's demoralizing to people that don't understand the ethos behind it, and it hands power to the fascists.
>that's literally what he did lmao.alright, good pickup. I was referring to the tsar's army, the imperial army.
which brings me back to the point: do you know what lenin did before that? he made a name for himself in popular media while in exile. hasan and the e-celebs would make a better lenin than you because they are building a following and demonstrating their character.
Trump has gone so far beyond what anyone predicted (except Trump himself and Project 2025) that I don't know how anyone left-of-Nazi could still be like
>um akstually Trump isn't that bad, member Obama? :^)
By all means shit on the Democrats but please get your head out of the 2016 gutter. For a lot of you it's become too comfortable a place. The same tired mental patterns.
>>2630044Man, you people need to actually understand the shit you are advocating with before declaring yourselves a radical.
Yes, dropping out of elections will likely demoralize a lot of people, particularly marginalized peoples who pin their hopes on a left wing electoral coalition to protect their right from fascists. And to a Marxist this does not matter because the purpose of the party is to topple capitalism, not to protect marginalized peoples, although the two can intersect. Neither is the Marxian program aimed at voicing the interest of every oppressed groups in society; peasants and lumpens are also oppressed, and traditional Marxists did not particularly care about them because they did not see any revolutionary potential from these peoples
>>2630058>VVoke Duginnot another one. I'm sorry, who the fuck are you and why should I care??
doesn't matter. you'll all be malding when hasan piker is the inaugural premier of the USSA.
>>2630044look, i don't have any pretensions that i am or will be a lenin like figure, but neither will any of these guys posting YouTube videos, and to the degree they are tailoring a their messaging to opportunist liberal compromise they are actively detrimental. you will not build a base of popular support by tricking people into thinking you're a liberal. you will implicate yourself in all the very good reasons working people have to hate the liberals.
>>2630045i swear it's like the biden admin never happened. i just imagined the whole thing or something. it's you stuck in 2020 making all the same bullshit popular front arguments that were inadequate a half century ago, let alone a half decade ago or now.
>>26300702020? Try 2008, Mamdani is basically new, more impotent Obama
>>2630058>the purpose of the party is to topple capitalism, not to protect marginalized peoples, although the two can intersect>>2630070>they are tailoring a their messaging to opportunist liberal compromisetouch some grass bro. nobody is going to resonate with your bizarre brand of autistic technocratic bullshit when they're getting their shit rocked. show some passion and zeal or get left behind.
for example: this is supposed to be a food blog about LA mexican restaurants, but it is now a newsletter for community organising and identifying missing persons from each wave of kidnappings.
https://lataco.com/the revolutionary potential of every group approaches nil when they're forced underground by the trumpocaust.
>>2630087>>touch some grass bro. nobody is going to resonate with your bizarre brand of autistic technocratic bullshit when they're getting their shit rocked. show some passion and zeal or get left behind.if people resonated with the liberal response to trumpism, we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. you want to tail the people that created the conditions for trump to take power.
to be clear, i'm not taking issue with the abstract idea of using social media or whatever. i'm taking issue with this idea that we have to make our message palatable for liberals by imitating them.
>>2630104Piker does because he's at the frontend.
>make our message palatable for liberalsthis is a mischaracterization, we need to appeal to the liberal democratic ideology to the extent that it is the default reality and as such as intangible to normies as the air we breathe.
we want a better world, why would you prefer to sacrifice lives than injure your pride?
>>2630114>we need to appeal to the liberal democratic ideology to the extent that it is the default reality and as such as intangible to normies as the air we breathe.no you don't. the vast majority of people are either apathetic to or actively hostile to the liberal democratic ideology you want to try to use to radicalize them.
>we want a better world, why would you prefer to sacrifice lives than injure your pride?you're arguing with a phantom. i disagree with you on a point of rhetorical strategy. has nothing to do with pride, despite how badly you want to make it about that and not the actual disagreement i have. i don't think the approach you advocate would save lives, i think it enables reaction and renders the movement dependent and defanged.
>>2630128we have the monopoly on moral authority. the dems abandoned every left wing position, and are permanently hamstrung by their bourgeois and colonialist tendency, at the same time popular movements against trump, ice, israel, and police are springing up like mushrooms after rain. that energy is being driven by youth and idealism just as much as it's being driven by desperation.
there is a mass movement forming, its basis in aggrievement, it is not solely the action of revolutionary socialists. this is the wave to catch. to dismiss it as reactionary or liberal is deranged.
>>2618450>all those tendencies are just petit bourgeois taking advantage of the working classexcept yours, of course, which is the one TRVE tendie
>>2630147>we have the monopoly on moral authority. evidently we don't in any socially meaningful way if we have to couch our project in the hegemonic moral framework of the class society we are supposed to be organizing against in order for people to take us seriously. your argument only works on the implicit supposition that the liberals actually have the moral high ground in the eyes of the workers (which they don't) hence why we need to appeal to their moral framework (which we don't).
>there is a mass movement forming…to dismiss it as reactionary or liberal is deranged.regardless of whether or not there is, youtube videos about which democrat you need to elect and rhetorical opportunism do nothing to channel any popular energy towards any recognizably leftist end.
>>2630202you're exhausing and your post is scrambled fucking mess.
>hegemonic moral frameworkwe get to use intuitive morality
>liberals actually have the moral high groundthey suck but trump 2016 would have given them a 20 year mandate from heaven if they refrained from electing someone equally foul and decrepit
>youtube videos about which democrat you need to electyou want to tell me you're above morality while exercising moral absolutism on the subject of the democrat party. get fucked. intervening in their primaries and instrumentalising them against trump is a valid tactic.
> rhetorical opportunismstill yet to meet a homophobic, transphobic, racist, xenophobic, or anti-indigenous socialist IRL. still yet to find a party that isn't involved in these struggles IRL. only on the internet. egalitarianism is not opportunism it is representing the rank and file.
>>2630242>we get to use intuitive moralityto no practical effect but herding people into liberal political projects, because history doesn't turn on moralism.
>they suck but trump 2016 would have given them a 20 year mandate from heaven if they refrained from electing someone equally foul and decrepitno they wouldn't have. they would have lost in four years because they would have had the exact same policy because biden was about as much acting president for four years as you or i were.
>you want to tell me you're above morality while exercising moral absolutism on the subject of the democrat party. i said nothing about morality. i said that telling people to elect democrats doesn't advance the worker's movement.
>intervening in their primaries and instrumentalising them against trump is a valid tactic.you do not instrumentalize the democrats by running candidates in their primaries. they instrumentalize you.
>still yet to meet a homophobic, transphobic, racist, xenophobic, or anti-indigenous socialist IRL.>egalitarianism is not opportunism and nobody said anything opposed to egalitarianism nor whatever idpol bullshit you want to bring up besides. it's insidious how quickly you people mobilize the intersectional shit the second someone advocates for the independence of the worker's movement from liberal opportunism, tailism, entryism, etc. i've haven't breathed a word in favor of homophobia or racism or what have you.
>it is representing the rank and file.no democrat represents the "rank and file". they represent immiseration and genocide and failure and you want to tie your wagon to them.
>>2630277you're arguing in circles to nowhere and your only concrete position is "do nothing". fuck off fed.
>>2630285i haven't given any concrete prescriptions at all other than avoiding class collaboration. that doesn't make me incorrect to critique your explicitly class collaboration at prescriptions. simply having an answer isn't good enough, and having the wrong answer in this case is worse than having no answer at all.
>>2630305exactly. you're a hungry ghost. you're fucking nobody and don't contribute anything.
>>2630316if it makes you feel better to say that, fine. it doesn't make your position tenable.
>>2630242>Intuitive morality"Intuitive morality" always revert to the morality that is hegemonic in our society. It is no different than appealing to "common sense" or the "legitimate procedures". Your own reference to the "mass of the aggrieved" is copying liberal intersectional language which hasn't worked for the last 20 years.
>you want to tell me you're above morality while exercising moral absolutism on the subject of the democrat party. get fucked. intervening in their primaries and instrumentalising them against trump is a valid tacticA valid tactic how???? Trump is president, mind you, and 4 years of democratic anti Trumpism does nothing but *boost* Trump's popularity. You can't say that something is just because you wish for it to be, it's called wishful thinking.
>egalitarianism is not opportunism it is representing the rank and file.Yes, there is a reason why the rank and file in the US does not have any street power and is reduced to democratic tailism and disparate single issues activism. You have a crippled organization, that because of its impotence is forced to tail bourgeois liberal parties, and when other people suggest that we should strenghten ourselves you accuse them of being defeatist
>>2630318dickless miracle. you're the metric opposite of a dem sheepdog, you'd have us all in spineless controlled opposition parties while you misrepresent our political project.
>>2630323rank and file world wide. the sterile bigoted fake communism of /leftypol/ betrays how many crypto fascist duginists and ACP infiltrators are shitting this board up.
>>2630400>Rank and file world wide>Implying that 99% of communist parties world wide are not impotent association of students with vaguely liberal social beliefsThe only exception i think is KKE and various CPIs who maintained a tight electoral machine of their own, although the CPIs are increasingly becoming irrelevant also
>>2630400>you'd have us all in spineless controlled opposition parties while you misrepresent our political project.i've said nothing to indicate such. the topic here is your proposal, not my lack of one. you are deflecting and grasping at straws.
>>2630407funny you mention the KKE because radical politics in greece are predominantly anarchist and centred in exarchia, the KKE being mostly irrelevant in the present day.
>>2630418I do not want to dimish the role of Greek anarchists in the streets but they have not produced any mass momentum or long lasting impact. Same thing with the squatter movements in Italy there are more smoke than fire so to speak
>>2630418yeah your anarchs smashed a lot of shit and put up a good show when the crisis hit and the govt was implementing austerity but what came out of it?
same in France, big crowds prooootesting but in the end, neoliberalism just sits tight, weathers the stormy 2-5 weeks, and then they implement their austerity anyway
>>2629764>patsocsDamn that's an oldie. You can just say Hazites or something anon, by now they've eclipsed their patsoc origins. Like who is even a Larouchite or patsoc that isn't associated with the ACP at this point? All besides the point because they and Hassan like each other these days, though they can't really associate for obvious reasons
>>2630421either way the retrograde politics of the KKE are a detriment and will keep the energy in the hands of the anarchists.
>>2630422I think it's more complicated than that because autonomists don't just riot, they also take a leading role in radical education, feeding the victims of austerity, and protecting the marginalised from spatrian fascists like GD.
>>2630423the only time I hear infrared haz mentioned by anybody trustworthy the next sentence accuses him of acting like fucking ᴉuᴉlossnW.
>>2630426If Haz is anything like ᴉuᴉlossnW haz would've been cheering for the US invasion of Venezuela. I agree that Hazite position with private property betrays socdem tendencies, but i can't accept that that is the main concern considering that many of the people who attack Haz are also Democrat dickriders and cheered for Municipal Socialism or whatever shlock came out of Jacobin lately
>>2630242This is the post where you lost anon. All you contribute from here on out is embarrassing seething
>you're exhausing and your post is scrambled fucking mess.Lmfao, the other anon is easily understood anon
>we get to use intuitive moralityWhere do we intuit our morality from I wonder? Lol
>>2630426A bit overstated imo. If he actually was ᴉuᴉlossnW that would be actually impressive in comparison to being a an ebegging kick streamer. At least their party is against the duopoly, which is more than most can say.
>>2630443I don't live my life for the approval of imageboard weirdos. if anything it's a dub because you chatgpt ass, never read engels ass, fake commie ass, magacom federal agent ass, left entryists are only motivating me to renew a party membership and do something of value.
>>2630453I don't give a fuck what you live your life for anon, I'm just telling you how you lost this particular argument and now look like you're crying and flailing for all to see. The relatively weak insults add to that case btw. Take it as an opportunity to investigate your incorrect line. Renewing your party membership would also be a great outcome, as long as it's not a dickrider party of course
>>2630426Haz has a million problems but leftypollers have a pathological obsession on hating him, even on things he is objectively at least partially correct
>>2630460honestly he was the peak lolcow. I hate the new namefag lolcows.
>>2630459haha your mum gay
>>2630472I really hope you aren't going to use this data to create yet more annoying sockpuppet identites
>>2627633Therapy works for substance addiction, supported with medication. For endogenetic mental illnesses, it's mostly bullshits, especially since most of it is CBT (cock and ball torture) - depth psychology or psychoanalysis may have some analytical or philosophical value, but it doesn't really help you either.
>>2630431He cheered on Trump who invaded Venezuela
>>2630481What does sockpuppet mean
>>2630599True enough, he viewed war as a means of radical mobilization, albeit by the time of the dictatorship he merely used the Ethiopian war to cove up the failure of corporatist economy (no different from Trump, now that i think about it)
>>2630515>most psychology is bullshit but psychoanalysis may have some analytical or philosophical valueAbsolute pseud take
Why does everyone seethe so hard whenever Taylor Lorenz is mentioned. I just found out about her because of the Democrat influencer story so I'm not familiar with her history or any drama. And I mean why random internet users wherever I go hate her, not why a leftypol commie hates her (seems like a lib so that part is obvious).
>>2630691She is a radlib who isn't afraid to step onto the toes of other radlibs, she also has vocal fry.
>>26296012nding this guy, the translations are full of annotations that give valuable context, which i found especially interesting when the books talk about german and russian translations. You can even download the ebooks for free to check for yourself on their website. Watch out for that consensus crack
>>2630946>Captive dreamer is the least retarded person in a twitter convoWhat in the world
>>2630961damn, the squirrel is fucking ruthless
>>2630936how long until america first civil war happens
this would be the sixth MAGA split in the last 2 years
>>2630672good god i should get on this grift, anyone here could write something better
>>2630691she had a very messy fallout with ethan klein, and probably hates her just a little bit less than hasan piker, most of the hate towards lorenz comes from the h3 fanbase. that being said, the lady is mad sus, she basically worked directly under omidyar.
>>2630992hey pedo_troll, post your memorial tattoo for babykhila and do an AMA.
>>2630998What was she doing in Roblox?
>Year 2026
>Still no proof of child neglect
snarkbros??? Our response?
>>2631031>child neglect before the kid was even bornnice try snarksister
>>2631041>child neglectthis is clear evidence of CSA ideation. I hope he's never left alone with his or any other children.
>>2631059>shitpost in reddit>evidenceGet a job Taylor
>>2630936Yet more proof that his "ascent" was not merit-based and was entirely astroturfed by billionaire backers. He has no loyalty or understanding of his audience, he exists to promote talking points, and now the talking point is that Venezuela invasion = good.
There is no such thing as a genuine rightoid influencer. They are all fake and paid off.
>>2631008i mean i know he has a creepy tattoo of the raider of ramallah, i just cleared up that all the hate towards taylor lorenz comes from the h3 fanbase
>>2631091You're totally right snarksister aka Taylor Lorenz and here' s the actual proof
>>2631109Taylor Lorenz is snarkbrained. It's a disease
>>2631150>even zionists have to be embarrassed by this shit, hey?he seems like a model israeli citizen to me
>>2631455word. shut that bitch up for a few hours tho.
>>2631487Cuckoldry has nothing ro do with politics, it's just sperm competition talen to the extreme.
>>2631506quit cherrypicking PR statements
>>2626350Must be very soul crushing to be a woman in this day and age.
>>2631518True. They should all wear burkas to preserve their modesty.
>>2631518more accurately, it's soul crushing to be a woman in any day and age, not just this one.
even more accurately, it's soul crushing to be a person, especially a working class person, in any day and age.
even more accurately, there is no soul to crush. we are animals with brains. we live and then we die. our existence is a brief shout into the void.
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