>>2286431Wait, did you seririouly post that in reaction to this? Wtf are you on dude? How does a book publisher equating Musk's slop and Marx's Capital explain anything about material conditions (aside from the ideological degeneration going on in china that is)?
>>2286500What do you mean? The only moves against him I saw were from corporate media and a single radlib tiktoker who got immediatly cooked.
>>2286413so strange to see a creature that can barely speak in basic english go off on literally everybody else all the time.
I guess offense really is the best defence.
>>2286470>>2286487>>2286492No data or proofs, only whining
Westerners simply don't know what they're talking about, they'll imagine themselves "poor" while consuming on the level of a middle class third worlder.
>>2286564You realise that comparing flat income is worthless since living costs are also much lower in the third world?
Obviously as a westerner you can consoom much more consumer goods than someone in the third world, that much is true, and you might get to enjoy other perks like generally more stable and prosperous society, but the difference is not as stark as it would appear just by comparing GDP. Many people in the first world are homeless, or living in one room, or whatever, many don't have a job, etc, it's pointless to play this game of splitting and privilege stacking, it's just typical third worldist bullshit.
>>2286568Oh, yeah, it's only cheap and abundant access to consumer goods and food and safety nets and stability and general prosperity, not a big deal.
Did you know that a lot of first worlders are """homeless""" (renting)? THEY ONLY HAVE ONE ROOM!!1111
First worlders had to change the definition of "homelessness" to hide their privilege lmao.
>>2286576First world homeless get shelter and showers and soup kitchens and clothes from the salvation army etc. etc.
Third world homeless simply starve and freeze to death because third world proletariat can't afford to give away extra soup or extra clothes.
>>2286585Can you explain to me why Mexico City is considered Third World, but Jackson, Mississippi is considered part of the Imperial Core? Explain this to me without using, nation-state rhetoric. Use class rhetoric. You can't. It's cause fuckin' this Third World, First World shit is stupid. Cause most people aren't thinking of Mexico as a Third World country, they're thinking of, I don't know, the Congo or Sudan as a Third World country, and the quality of life in Mexico is so much higher than Sudan that it seems a little bit fucking ridiculous to portray Mexico as a Third World country in comparison. It seems a little bit ridiculous to put an entire five billion people into the same category of Third World and then go, yeah, they all have the same material conditions, and then be like, yeah, this is the most progressive stance you could take as a white person in the fucking Imperial Corps. What the fuck are we doing? Just stupid, illogical, fuckin' white man's burden pivoted into a progressive stance type bullshit. It's cringe, it's cornball, and it's dumb.
>>2286661honest question: what brings you here of all places when you are basically ignorant about anything related to communism/socialism/marxism and their history?
anyway: fascism is bourgeois social revolution in reaction to the organization of the proletariat. as such, it requires a burgeoise revolution to succeed before, which didn't succeed in tsarist russia.
>>2286518And like a clockwork:
Leftypol's resident pedophile manages to have the worst opinion possible again and jumps on the sinophobia train in order to protect a ban-evading poltard torshill. Bravo
>>2286144Hexbear, some reddit subs and resetera seem to be where the remnants of the tumblr SJWs fucked off towards. I've seen hexbear shilled here a few times and brief time I looked I only saw absolute hysteria.
Everywhere else you go, you get that "I'm not like those annoying leftists" act. Hexbear does the opposite and owns the label.
>>2283546>>2283558>>2283620>>2284348>>2284339are leafbongs really this unaware of their state policy?
>yaroslav hunka face when we wondon't feign in surprise, this is what liberalism chose
>Still a bunch of liberal bullshit ofc since this post is an arrestable offenseis not only that is an arrestable offense, is that it is encourage nazism, and some liberals haven't awaken yet.
>>2286205>bookstore with books>I am le madNow try to find mein kampf in bookstores in China, v. the US
:^)
go on, radlib. I dare you.
>>2286859>>2286898>>2286926>>2286239>>2286246>>2286928>i must defend the sanctity of this random bookstore or socialism is doomedmental illness
>>2286567>>2286890>da revolution never happened because uhhhh culture jazz music artacademics and their sycophants are so retarded bruh
>>2286878the greentext is obviously a copypaste from twitter
>>2286932booooo you deflected my dare.
you are a boring radlib troll.
>>2286933>literally all books are precious wholesome chungus that HAVE TO be read>even some obviously ghost written elon musk trash>if you disagree you are dumbprojecting brainlet
you have to be majorly retarded to glorify books this much, especially in fucking 2025 when all that pulp is wasted on mostly slop
>>2286600#SoyRight
>>2286668>depicting villains is le fascistretard
>>2286954basically
>>2287040It is known
One more year till I can watch her rebound her own misses against my tempo
>>2286518>>2286205Why would the Chinese hivemind do this 🥀
Are you guys for real now?
>>2287349how else would you know that libs calling trump fascist, but ignoring when their blu fascist is in power how fascist their beloved leader is, is absolute hypocrisy? because they can frame the theory and definition in a sane way?
anyway, who cares what's sold in a Chinese library. the radlibery suggestion that something like that matters when I challenged here people to find one mein kamp in a bookstore in China, out of 1.4. billion people, and no one replied, it's what tells me the radlibery in this thread doesn't care at all.
>>2287419That shit about colonization themes being whitewashed is whatever to me. I'm more annoyed that they took one of the best looking Disney films and turned it into something absolutely soulless yet again. Yes yes I know at the end of the day it's all slop but I felt like back in the day they used to put in some actual effort.
Like look at this shit. Look at this fucking shit right here.
>>2287127>The right-wing association with slop content is going to bite them one day I feel.I think slop is the future and already is the present influencer meta. Whether making drama or reacting or whatever , it's the parasocial aspect of slop that brings in the views and jives so well with the platforms. The slop is just so
mediocre approachable and relatable.
Like how daytime TV gravitates towards the reality show. The originals may be gone, but their legacy lives on inside documentaries(like truecrime),culture war dominated newscasts and even fiction. "Big Brother" and whatnot may not be the hot shit, but Truecrime is.
>>2287455>>pointing out the class character of mediayour shitty frankfurt school wannabe leftoidist analysis of children cartoons with academic buzzwords sprinkled on top is not "pointing out class character" you insufferable pseud. all idiots who want to feel like the next fisher should do like him and kill themselves lmfao
you have to be really high on your own farts to compare scientific analysis and critique of political economy to making shit up about the 'subtext' of media for literal toddlers LOL
>>2287519In this case though they might "get the bag", they're putting garbage out
Bah dum kshhhh
>>2287138I'm compiling a list of meaningless buzzwords and buzzphrases that only retarded internet-obsessed people use so I can more easily make fun of them. "Clown world" is on there, along with "woke", "DEI", as well as recent additions "gay and retarded" and "scold" (adjective form only).
These guys act in a very funny, highly predictable way, but for some reason I don't see many people that aren't me using that for comedy.
Actually, that's a thing. I think leftists need to take the low-road more often. Say that rightwingers are stupid and ugly and annoying and always pissed off, and that leftists are cool and in control. Always be on the offense, never the defense, and keep insisting on a reality that's favorable to you until it becomes true. Things are definitely getting better now, but starting around I want to say the early-2010s, the left has been in a slump where it's been too polite and self-critical to just outright call the opposition morons and stand by it.
>>2287569he admitted to everything else except being a traitor so i trust it on that alone
>>2287572>but it's le wrong!!!!!! KRUSCHEV LIED OK?????i don't care if 80% of the evidence used in the trial was forged, the evidence found in the soviet archives proves it enough to where it doesn't matter
>>2287573>he admitted to everything else except being a traitor so i trust it on that aloneand his backing is what, exactly ?, he got murdered outside of the trial it does not look like he was being honest.
there is still no relevant proof that backs the main argument.
>>2287581he was executed during the trial
>there is still no relevant proof that backs the main argument.his own statements and much of the evidence they pulled up during the trial? even if you assume a good deal of it was false there was enough evidence that he didn't even dispute the charges when it came to him, the only other one he disputed was that he was a traitor, implying that they didn't alter it to "worsen" his image
>>2287588haven't you realized, he doesn't have source otherwise we would've seen it long before. the only recourse he has is to repeat "uh even though maybe probably some evidence was false, i don't care about that! we have
real evidence from the archives!"
it's just the usual nonsense anti-communist rhetoric that's levied against stalin, except this time coming from the authoritative words of…beria and a guy who was on the epstein flight list.
>>2287604>the claim predates montefioremeaningless, just means an narrative is older than him and needs to be judged-
>beria was a sexpestwait, weren't we talking about stalin ?.
>>2287606<amy knight>In 1993–94, she was a fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars.brilliant, your source is from a D.C think-tank.
you still haven't shown the supposed evidence from the soviet archives btw
>>2287701This theory applied to human doesnt make sense at all considering hunter gatherer people and rugged nomadic tribes, who were objectively less alienated and neurotic human, put a great importance on physical fitness, grooming, appearance, regalia and beauty, even body modifications. Pic related.
The theory that natural humans are dirty bastards that don't care about "superficial look" and just breeding is only true of the civilized pre-industrial underclass/labourers. The upper class being very coquette until the advent of post-WW1 modernity.
While looksmaxxers, roiders, gymcels and transsexuals use more modern means provided to them by the globalized supply chain spawned from industrialization, they are actually all very lindy.
Though, it is true their past itterations were likely less neurotic and pathologized than today, more instictive.
>>2288142If every firstie all came at the same time, we could make a cum rocket to move a bit back away from the sun and stop global warming by another 2 millennia.
DId you ever think about that?
>>2288130Trans people have been around for a long time and there's numerous examples supporting this - Such as, at the invididual level for example: Christine Jorgenson, Wendy Carlos, Candy Darling, and Brandon Teena, the real guy whose story the movie Boys Don't Cry is based off of.
You also have organizations such as the Cercle Hermaphroditos, which was the first group in the US to start advocating for the rights of trans people all the way back in the 1890s. Plus hijra and kathoey folks over in Southern Asia which are largely seen as third genders in their respective countries, particularly hijras since they do have legal recognition in India and Bangladesh as one.
>>2288272>The average working class person doesn't have a high opinion of trans people.the average proletarian doesnt give a fuck because they have more important things to worry about and retards here consider 'working class' even those with property and reserves who do stand something to gain from being transphobic
>>2288277>>2288316>implying communists stand outside the proletariatradlib moment
>>2288369pretty cool that we are seeing the same logic retarded 'patriotic communists' use to gain votes now being used to explain why the 'working class'
might be prejudiced
>>2288406Left: Opposed to the current organization of property
Right: In favor of established property relations
>>2288410it's
private property that we want to abolish, not this empty phrase 'current organization of property' you illiterate larping moron
>>2288261>Plus hijra and kathoey folks over in Southern Asia which are largely seen as third genders in their respective countries, particularly hijras since they do have legal recognition in India and Bangladesh as one.Yeah. I don't know a lot about it, but the Philippines elected a transgender congresswoman recently and she's in a right-wing party (whew). But I've seen some polls that suggest Filipinos are more "whatever" about it than Americans are, and the Philippines is a pretty conservative Catholic country in many respects.
There's also Thailand and they were never colonized. (One of the things which challenges the idea going around now that LGBT-ism is a product of Western colonialism.)
I'm not saying it's a paradise but the gender roles are somewhat different, and less binary than it can be in Western countries, and even after conversion to Christianity some of these pre-Christian influences and constructs about gender identity remained.
>>2288377>That's just it though, transgender people are such an insignificant part of the proletariat that the current Left's obsession with them is alienating to a lot of the working class. I've seen that a little bit, but I think it's less of a factor than right-wing transphobia which is encouraged by a very large and oligarchical media system from Fox News to Elon Musk. There was a whole period for about a year when these media outlets were telling rightists to go out and protest drag shows (of all things) and it was repeated endlessly, but then Trump got re-elected and they don't care about it anymore. But they were being told to care about it. But otherwise, they don't really care THAT much, because like you said, it's not a big part of the population.
>Dudes working in a factory for $7/hr are begging for a union and all their local DSA branch talks about is fighting the oppression of trans people.I really don't think a local DSA branch talking about transgender people is what's stopping dudes from organizing unions. If they really had it so bad, that they needed to go on strike and organize themselves to fight back against social class oppression, then they'd do that, right? It's not like Karl Marx invented workers going on industrial strikes, that was already going on. Think about what you're saying for a second. I think the unfortunate fact is that socialism in general – even basic socialist principles – are decidely unpopular with most Americans, and changing that is very hard and is going to take a long time. And socialists don't want to cope with that, so they come up with these excuses or try to find scapegoats to blame for why their revolution hasn't happened.
More than anything, I think these issues over trans rights is best left for trans people to figure out themselves. It's ultimately their movement, and they have a lot of debates within their own movement, which reminds me in some ways of the gay rights movement. There are trans people who have a kind of bourgeois / middle-class "normie" approach, and then you have trans people taking their shirts off in public and expressed a kind of radical, French-style sexual and gender freedom ethic, and they fight each other a lot. But over the long term, I think it will be accepted more widely in the society (and actually it is now compared to our past), in part because of their movement influencing people's minds, and ultimately because economic and technological change is causing traditional gender roles to erode.
>>2288463Yeah I don't really know actually. I do have an old Thai neighbor and he expressed some pride in the never-colonized fact (also has a small portrait of the modernizing king Rama V in his house). Never asked him about sexuality issues though but he definitely has a "live and let live" philosophy towards life and a kind of polytheistic approach to religion. He has several sons, two of them run a restaurant here and one of his sons back in Thailand is a Buddhist monk.
And everytime I've been in a gayborhood, there has been a Thai restaurant.
>>2288486I think people need to think about (irrational) scapegoating and the kind of social or psychological need that it fulfills for people. What's really going on is people trying to displace their own frustrations and anxieties onto an out-group, which makes them feel good, but is really a way to avoid taking responsibility for their own situation.
Sartre wrote about this and it plays an important role in his existential philosophy. This is also related to his theory of freedom. Man is not born with a fixed nature or purpose (no God, fate, or biology defines us in advance). You are not *something* by essence. There are no universal rules or outcomes. And because no one and nothing outside you determines your values, purpose, or meaning, you are free. But that is SCARY. Because it means there are no excuses. Not your upbringing, society, or even unconscious drives can absolve you, and every choice you make reflects the kind of world you believe should exist. It's like standing on a cliff, you could jump – you're free to jump. Not because you want to, but because nothing can really stop you. So it's ultimately up to you.
There is no God! We have been abandoned here! There's no avoiding it. But people try to flee from this freedom into what Sartre calls "bad faith." That is people lying to themselves, pretending they're just playing a role, or that they're determined by their job, identity, or biology. But actually the life of society is very complex.
This also ties into real-world political behavior. When a political movement is failing, and a person has sunken their identity into the movement, it often feels like the foundations of their own identity is collapsing too. Rather than face that anxiety, they project their fear, frustration, and guilt onto a scapegoat. This isn't ignorance, it's a choice: a willful embrace of a simplified, hateful worldview that offers emotional relief. They blame the Other. That's basically what these burned-out "socialists" and "communists" are doing as their movement flounders, crumbles, or fails to launch. It's easier to blame than to change.
https://aurelien2022.substack.com/p/what-are-you-doing-after-the-end
>I take as a point of departure that we need to be better equipped to handle the stresses of the world we live in now, since those stresses can only get worse in the future. Our society, especially mediated through the Internet and social media encourages just about every negative tendency imaginable, from destroying attention-spans to undermining concentration, to responding instantly to transient stimuli and deliberately seeking out those stimuli that give us quick emotional fixes. Now I’m not here to tell you to get off social media or declutter your digital life. Others have done that much better than I could. But if the beginning of wisdom is understanding the problem, then there are a couple of interesting experiments anyone can perform. One is simply to see how long you can sit without moving a muscle. It sounds easy, but experiments aimed at getting people to sit still for two minutes generally show that the average time is 10-20 seconds. And of course physical and mental restlessness feed off and reflect each other. A parallel experiment is to try to keep your mind on the same subject for more than a few seconds. In the modern world, hardly any of us can do it without training. Look at this cup, they say, concentrate on that. Ah yes, cup, coffee, didn’t have breakfast this morning, too late to bed last night, arguing with my spouse, wants me to leave this job but I told her we can’t afford it, what was the question again?
>It’s not surprising, then, that people have asked what the value of all this mental activity is. What, after all, do we gain from being permanently aroused, permanently ready to take offence, permanently providing a running commentary in our heads about everything we see and hear? What difference does it even make? It makes us tired, it makes us angry, it makes us upset and even despairing, and of course it achieves nothing. Or rather, it gives us the illusion of achieving something, and thus comforts our Ego. Shouting and screaming at the television or an Internet feed, joining in some Internet pile-on against a popular hate-figure vicariously associates our Ego with the subject and the outcome, like football supporters cheering on their team. But in the end, it doesn’t make any difference. Indeed, it actually makes things worse, because the anger you feel cannot, almost by definition, be directed against those who deserve it: it is projected against your friends, family and colleagues instead. >>2288452>I really don't think a local DSA branch talking about transgender people is what's stopping dudes from organizing unions. I wouldn't say so either, not per se. It's a facet of the problem, but one that's overempasized.
To give an example from my life, the local org I've been involved with recently tried to help an Amazon warehouse unionize. For reasons that weren't the org's fault, the effort was defeated when the pro union side only got 30% of the vote. Over the course of the next several meetings, 0% of the org's discussion time was spent on why the vote failed or how to address these problems in the future, and instead the lion's share went towards discussing Trump banning dei related stuff on college campuses and how to protest it.
So while, no, it's not like the org talking about "trans issues" is preventing workers from trying to unionize, there's a tendency within, some, ostensibly socialist organizations to emphasize identity issues over class issues. This one in particular would call doing so "class reductionist" and if you suggested it you'd probably be called a stalinist tankie.
So sure, this is purely anecdotal, but I don't think it's an isolated incident either. Nor do I blame the issue on trans people or their political needs, but rather severe defects in the ideological framework of some sections of socialists.
>>2288452>More than anything, I think these issues over trans rights is best left for trans people to figure out themselves. I think the fault with that thinking is that trans rights aren't issues in and of themselves but are being used in a cynical way by reactionary forces. A few years ago there was a "bathroom bill" issue, where a city passed an ordinance allowing people to use the bathroom of their choice, and then almost immediately after the state government passed a law to override it. That in itself was bad enough, but the more important issue is that the bathroom shit was only the first half of the bill and all anyone talked about. The second half of the bill was essentially an attack on workers, forbidding localities from setting wage requirements or other job protections for contract workers.
Another example is these conservative groups attacking school libraries for having "obscene" materials in them, or in other words books about trans people, sex, or sexual identity. Once again the lgbt stuff is just a cover for the real purpose: attacking public schools as an institution. All these book challenges and teachers unions fighting laws about it have resulted in schools and unions having to spend billions in order to fight them, leaving them with even less resources to serve the working class.
So unfortunately trans issues aren't just trans issues, they're working class issues also, both because trans people are of the working class, but also because they're being used to attack other sections of it as well.
>>2288376honestly there dudes who prefer manly man things should probably just fuck other men and be done with it
men can't just be friends anyway - they always want to have sex with each other
>>2288452>she's in a right-wing party (whew)It's not uncommon at in societies where they are accepted. There is also an insane far-right trans woman politician in Indian who talk about making muslim genocide real. I saw many Indian transgender diaspora in America talking like gay liberals then i hit translate button on their xeet typed in their native language and get hit with Mein Kampf-tier posting.
I remember talking to many buddhist Thai transgenders who had similar "political sensibilities".
Most people's politics are contextual.
>>2288519>So while, no, it's not like the org talking about "trans issues" is preventing workers from trying to unionize, there's a tendency within, some, ostensibly socialist organizations to emphasize identity issues over class issues. This one in particular would call doing so "class reductionist" and if you suggested it you'd probably be called a stalinist tankie.I had this experience once in an org. There was some talk about union organizing and one person made a particular effort to stress an organizing attempt in another state for "queer workers" specifically. That didn't sit right with me. In the abstract, it doesn't sound bad if people want to do that, but it's more the context and how this person was stressing it that's hard to explain. It was just REALLY important that it was about queer workers. I was thinking: well, why not just "the workers?" I oppose transphobia but I think the better strategy is to build an anti-transphobic workers' movement rather than a queer workers' movement, if that makes sense as an axis or an orientation. The plot twist is this person also probably considered themselves a Stalinist tankie because of the nature of the group. It is a little strange.
>>2288527>I think the fault with that thinking is that trans rights aren't issues in and of themselves but are being used in a cynical way by reactionary forces … The second half of the bill was essentially an attack on workers, forbidding localities from setting wage requirements or other job protections for contract workers. Yeah that's a good point. I would just clarify that I don't think movements can substitute for each other. If there is a trans movement, a movement about something else can't substitute for that. Trans people must decide what their demands will be and how to organize around them. And that's fine. And they will do what they think is necessary for their situation. And I think they're going to do that no matter what. No socialist or communist group that thinks this is a distraction from the class struggle can stop them.
To give some actual numbers to counter bloviating reactionaries
https://news.gallup.com/poll/645704/slim-majority-adults-say-changing-gender-morally-wrong.aspx>WASHINGTON, D.C. – A steady 51% of Americans think changing one’s gender is morally wrong, while 44% say it is morally acceptable, which is generally in line with readings in 2021 and 2023. At the same time, more than six in 10 U.S. adults oppose laws banning gender-affirming care for minors.https://news.gallup.com/poll/350174/mixed-views-among-americans-transgender-issues.aspx>A solid majority of the public (66%) continues to favor allowing openly transgender men and women to serve in the U.S. military, though this figure is down slightly from Gallup's previous measure in 2019, when 71% were in favor.
>A majority of Americans (62%) say trans athletes should only be allowed to play on sports teams that correspond with their birth gender, while 34% say they should be able to play on teams that match their gender identity.
>About three in 10 Americans (31%) report having a friend, relative or colleague who is transgender.It's mixed bags all around. And even this info isn't enough to justify saying what "the average working class" thinks about trans people or their issues.
>>2288272>The average working class person doesn't have a high opinion of trans people.propagandized, mostly. if true, and depending where. in the global south, yes most likely true almost everywhere where people is more religiously conservative, and patriarchy is stronger.
that doesn't mean it's right.
>It's in fact you who is out of touch with reality by suggesting the proletariat is evil for not accepting younot inherently evil, evil those who manipulate them, always remember:
<The ruling ideas of a given epoch are, however, those of the ruling class: "The ruling ideas are nothing more than the ideal expression of the dominant material relationships.if you hate X segment of the average population, instead of the robber barons, the rich, the oligarchs, those who steal your labor force, then you are being manipulated, and because people doesn't rationalize or reflect too much about things with critical questioning, they end up supporting those ideas.
after all, everyone wants to have the cool life of the robber barons and many simply will agree to them to see if they have a chance of be them.
>>2288393It's a thing r/ultraleft thinks is some epic "dunk" because they're actual idiots who don't understand synchronic language. Like I've seen them unironically say "it meant something different 200+ years ago!"
The average poster there is 15 years old judging by the post history of the mods there, spending all their time debating hip-hop beefs.
I can't remember if it was this thread or another where someone asked why Musk has so many kids he apparently doesn't care about but:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2025/may/04/maga-soft-eugenics
>Blaming the weak for their own sickness is one half of the coin of soft eugenics. The other is encouraging the perceived strong to procreate more, which brings us to Musk. The tech billionaire frequently invokes autism score, a flawed and long-debated measure of intelligence. His fever dream of a crumbling civilization can only be salvaged when “smart” people pump out more babies. What constitutes a smart person, he doesn’t make explicit, though in tech-natalist circles they usually mirror the entrepreneurs declaring the mandate. To that end, Musk has personalized his advocacy for pronatalism by challenging himself to help “seed the earth with more human beings of high intelligence”.He thinks he's such a smart guy that spreading his superior genes is fundamentally improving the Earth.
>>2288753And social democrats. Basically it refers to collection of groups sharing leftist/liberal/progressive/enlightenment values, rather than specific political plan.
>>2288755 Bad guess, neither. Non-communism isnt anti-communism, how do you not get that.
>>2288757Ok? Are we discussing usage of word "communsim" or "leftism"?
>>2288751Communism is the highly biased proletarian movement, imbecile. Its aims are exclusively proletarian. Other classes can be part of it but only as communists.
The moment you diverge from this then it isn't communism anymore.
>>2288759>Non-communism isnt anti-communismBecause you say so?
>Ok? Are we discussing usage of word "communsim" or "leftism"?Illiterate ape, read the whole discussion. The other poster is right in saying that communism stands outside of the left-right umbrella because its a remnant from the French revolution.
>it refers to collection of groups sharing leftist/liberal/progressive/enlightenment valuesEven by your own definition communism is not part of this, you stupid mouthbreather. Communism is not a set of values, much less has anything to do with shit like the enlightenment or other liberal ideology. It's an explicit critique of it.
>>2288764>Because you say so?No, because those words literally say so.
Non- ,
anti-. I genuinely dont know how to explain this in any simpler terms.
>The other poster is right in saying that communism stands outside of the left-right umbrella because its a remnant from the French revolutionIt is not "remnant" of french revolution, that is just when the expression was coined. It is still widely used, with communism taking space in the left end of the leftism spectrum. That is just how people use it, what is there to be gained in stubborn contrarianism? For example clarity on term "communism" is important, if you lose that term you create a hole in your ability to express specific political ideas. "Leftism" is a fuzzy term, it literally just means to the left of whatever contextual point.
>Even by your own definition communism is not part of this, you stupid mouthbreather. Communism is not a set of valuesI didnt wrote communism is a set of values. Communism as a political project however both implicitly and explicitly carries values with it, communists as people have their values, and there is an overlap between these values and values of people occupying political space broadly referred to as "left".
>>2288744>I'm not like those other leftistsIgnores the fact everyone knows what "leftist" means, in that it's a broad categorization rather than just one thing that they cherrypick, like you just did. Just because you subbed to the trve movement, doesn't mean you live outside the world. You're just acting like a little kid trying to be special and, as I said, the moderation who determines the ideology of that subreddit, are kids. If not, then I'm mistaken but the humor is no different from some fnaf meme culture so forgive me for not getting their age range right when I click on the profile of some pretentious dickwad mod on there and it's just them consuming video games and rap beefs all day.
You also ignored the pure stupidity of reacting to someone putting communism into the left side of an invisible line, by following that up with "actually, the left-wing were the Jacobins and the right-wing were the aristocrats…" That's not how language works and only the most braindead, ideological redditor would even think that sounds right. Bordigists can say they're not ideological all they want but they're completely absorbed in it, and this little script you go through is proof of it.
<guys, guys, guys! These people are doing something stupid, so we are an entirely different category. We're so cool here's a fornite meme I made thanks for the upvotesIt's ideology shopping, something they claim to resist. The fact they think they discovered some interpretation of Marx/Lenin/Rosa that is mathematically correct with no contradiction anywhere is even more proof of that.
>>2288755>counters with a front page reddit meme they drove into the dirtGoing to call Gramsci a twink next? I know you got those neurons working on overdrive so maybe you can come up with another badass Trotsky killing peasants edit.
>>2288757>communism is proletarian liberationYeah.
>so it can't be labeled as leftistWrong and severely stupid. This is one of the best situations to tell someone to touch grass because the only way you get this deluded is if you let a reddit sub of 20 people that claims to represent an international (Italian) communist party that has about 4 people (and just split again) brutalize your mind so hard.
This is a dumb argument it's just so predictable that people shared a couple of memes from a shitpost subreddit and overnight everyone is a die-hard soldier of it. And they still haven't read anything.
>>2288791A teacher of the body is still a teacher in spirit.
-Probably confucius
>>2288764>"Leftism" is a fuzzy term, it literally just means to the left of whatever contextual point. I agree with that. Or it's one reflection of a social contradiction and a tendency. I like Leszek Kołakowski's essay on "The Concept of the Left" which also goes into the role of the left in both capitalist countries and also socialist countries. He considered reform socialists/communists in AES states to be a left tendency within those countries and parties. But again, relative and context dependent.
>>2288764>Communism is not a set of values, much less has anything to do with shit like the enlightenment or other liberal ideology. It's an explicit critique of it.Well, a critique of liberalism, yes. But communism also has its roots in the Enlightenment (which was complex and had different tendencies) and it was standard Marxism/communism to describe it as the logical culmination of the rational humanism of the Enlightenment, the power of science to unlock the universal, and stuff like that. I think you need to hit the library, buster.
>>2288846massive retard who brings up "reading" in the abstract as an own and says communism is about bourgeois values right after lmfao
>reasonlove vagueness
>human emancipationnot really a goal of communism, just an inevitability of abolishing class society
>the scientific methodleast disingenuous pseud
>and the idea that society can be rationally transformedlove vagueness part 2
>>2288824This shit is poisoned honey for the sloptubers.
It may be short term gains beause of driving the propaganda/culturewar wave but in the long run, unless you are making a career out of being a zionist, you won't reap the benefits of institutional support.If one isn't a political sloptuber either, the political class will turn and twist and the propaganda will leave one behind.
And declaring the loyalties for a certain political figure or party as a main feature of the public persona is a polarizing choice that often cuts your potential audience. Especially for people like Asmongold who thrive by being relatably mediocre so that the auduence never has to reckon with the parasocial vampire being a zillionaire. Nobody can look at the character Asmongold has built and feel inferior.
>>2288791What's the deal with bad panda?
Are they just some edgy/fight-hunting communist tuber whoresonality?
>>2288953Bad Empanada is actually quite good and sources his long form stuff. He posts educational videos on his main channel but was recently catapulted to youtube Drama spotlight because, unlike every other rightoid debatebro, Ethan Klein too the bait of acknowledging BE's existence. And got consequently owned because… well because Ethan is an actual dumb person with quite the unearned sense of self worth.
So now BE is posting more on his "slop" channel and it has kind of taken over because of all the other recent event stuff, mainly Palestine related, that is going on.
The main Issue with anti-BE posters is that they are Hasan Piker fans who can't cope with any criticism of the man.
>>2286157Got banmed from.haxbear for asking how we could agitate/salt the army
Deeply unserious people. Lemmygrad.ml people also didnt accept my application, so tey can get fucked and are tantamount to an enemy to me.
Yeah go join another echo camber to hang out with people who put the L in leftist, I'm good. All these "leftist" spaces are ass. I want spaces that habe the energy of a skate park, not a classroom with your favorite ML wcting as hall monitor.
I had to refresh the page 3 times to send this mesaage, maybe the mods can spend that merch money on a new server
>>2289063Damn, this is what people are freaking out over?
I was expecting some 2 Girls 1 Cup type shit judging by some of the reactions I was seeing, but this is really isn't that bad tbh.
Only thing I'm getting from this is that Greenwald is one kinky mfer.
>>2289546>>2289497>>2289499Don't be edgy contrarians.
Disney’s Andor isn’t just a good Star Wars show, it’s the best Star Wars anything since the original trilogy. It strips away the mythic Force mumbo-jumbo, the Jedi spectacle, and the nostalgia-drenched storytelling of recent years, leaving behind something far more potent: a razor-sharp, slow-burn portrait of resistance in the face of rising authoritarianism. This is Star Wars for adults, unflinching, politically rich, and emotionally raw.
Andor dares to do what no other Star Wars installment has done: show us the mundane, grinding horror of Empire not from the sky, but from the street level. Through bureaucratic oppression, economic exploitation, surveillance, and fear, it paints the Empire not as a cartoonish evil but as a terrifyingly real system of control. It’s not just spaceships and stormtroopers, it’s late-stage capitalism, fascist creep, and the moral compromises that resistance demands.
Diego Luna gives a masterclass in restrained, grounded acting as Cassian Andor. He's not a chosen one, he’s a desperate man trying to survive a collapsing world, pulled slowly into a cause greater than himself. The supporting cast, Stellan Skarsgård’s enigmatic Luthen, Fiona Shaw’s ferocious Maarva, Denise Gough’s coldly ambitious Dedra Meero, and Kyle Soller’s terrifyingly real corporate bootlicker Syril Karn, deliver some of the most human, nuanced performances in the franchise’s history.
The show’s writing is surgical. It doesn’t rely on exposition dumps or fan service; it trusts its audience to pay attention and keep up. Tony Gilroy crafts a narrative that explores how revolutions are born, not through destiny, but through desperation, sacrifice, and the courage to act when no one else will. The monologues alone are worth the price of admission, haunting, stirring, and brutally honest.
Andor is the spiritual successor to A New Hope in a way that none of the sequels, prequels, or spin-offs have managed. It recaptures the rebellious heart of Star Wars, the rage against tyranny, the struggle of ordinary people rising up against impossible odds. It’s not just the best Disney-era Star Wars, it might be the most important Star Wars ever made.
No lightsabers, no Skywalkers, no problem. Andor is the rebellion as it should be: real, bloody, and human.
>>2289550They could do a note-for-note retelling of the October Revolution with characters like V. Ladim Irlenin where they look straight at the camera and tell the audience to do a revolution and it would still be corporate slop not worth the
film hard drives it's printed on.
>>2289550>It doesn’t rely on exposition dumps or fan service; >It doesn’t >doesn’t >’caught 'em in the act
notice the ' vs ’
>>2289598>>2289617Thanks I will.
>top 6 SPOOKIEST 4cuck posts>Adam Friedland showWorst front page algo I have seen yet.
>>2289654NO POLITIC
MS RACHEL IS KHAMAS
ANTISEMITISM
>>2288879Basically the porn USSR had was trafficked stuff from the west & was difficult to find unless you put in a lot of effort to look for it.
*Pre-glasnost that is. I think the first raunchy some what sexually explicit film produced in the USSR dates to like 1988 or 89. Ask a Post-Soviet board dweller here if they know.
>>2289910tbf the proportions are grotesque (but maybe its tolerable within the medium of erotic cartoons)
also, yeah, seems racially fetishistic
>>2289910>twitter user calls anyone racistlmao
also, fuck you, see
>>2289917 and get a life. If you're not in a wheelchair or bed, there's no excuse for you to care about le sjws having a cry every day.
>>2290111Speaking from my own experience here, I'd argue that such behaviours can be linked to trauma. Trauma that can often be traced back to a form of abuse- be it sexual, emotional, verbal, emotional, that was either done to them or their friends. Such abuse can often lead to the development of mental disorders such as PTSD or BPD, both of which exhibit high amounts of extremely negative attitudes surrounding the subject matter at hand.
As a result, what may be benign "goon material" to you may be considered distasteful and or even triggering to them- which, considering how patriarchal societies have historically fetishised both cis and trans women- isn't exactly a stretch to make.
Patriarchal gendered roles and culture have often confined women be nothing more but a desired object- which has lead to forms of abuse. Non-white women have also often been hypersexualised or exoticised within said patriarchal societies, more often without their input or say in the matter.
Combine that with the fact that there is an overlap of neuro-divergency and the LGBTQ community this does give rise to very "clear-cut" aspects of morality and ethics.
https://neurolaunch.com/strong-sense-of-right-and-wrong-autism/ What you may consider "benign" could very well be criticised on sociological and artistic grounds while simultaneously being informed by past trauma. And to be fair, I'm somewhat inclined to agree to an extent with what "loverbutch" is pointing out -the weird, child-like facial proportions combined with an oddly pornified chest- and the fact that most of these women tend to come from cultures which are known to have scantily clad women is worth noting.
Does this mean we must therefore do away with all pornographic material? Of course not. But there are arguably better and more tasteful ways to depict the female nude which not only may say something meaningful about the subject, but even reveal something deeper about the artist themselves.
t. transgender (bisexual) woman.
>>2289910Lesbian symbol in someone's profile = Not reading, it's gonna be basically non-human.
People who harbor this symbol are either radfems who hates male sexuality/eros (and any healthy sexuality) or they are MTF transsexuals trying to fit in with these loosers because they have troll remorse over that time they typed "bitch" online when they were a 14 year old boy, they're trying to speedrun woman cred but it comes off as even more fake and gay than lesbians already are.
>>2290148you know, this makes me wonder if there is also a correlation between trauma and compultional posting (kinda like :
https://www.gawkerarchives.com/media/posters-disease), maybe there is a crossroads between the algorithms and their explotation of trauma othern than rage we are not seeing
>>2290344that's the guy making nietchze and hegel threads
do you really have to ask?
>>2289727All these leftists when the contradictions of imperialism are collapsing it on itself. Leftists whose movements have achieved little to nothing on the global scale since the fall of the USSR. Arguing about who has the best takes and the correct-est opinion while global liberalism collapses around them.
And the joke is the "campism" or "anti-campism" of the uninvolved. Whatever happens, you will get no say in it.
>>2290267youll never catch the average man rubbing one out in public, but hella girls spiritually masturbate to smut all the time
so many girls read smut it’s ridiculous. when i was a kid my mom used to read fifty shades of gray in the living room. when i was in high school girls brought “not officially smut but the female equivalent of a wish fulfillment romcom anime for nerds” to lit class. if a girl tells you shes into books or reads, guarantee most of it is smut or borderline smut.
>>2290692>Politically, the site was mostly retards but they had more interesting discussions and were funnier generally than 4chan, I don't know it's a complicated thing.Yeah I never really used any of the other boards. I'm not an oldschool channer either so I never really used any of the other boards on 4chan besides /pol/. I was aware of 4chan back in the day, but I glanced at it a few times, and was like this shit is retarded and not for me. I only used messageboards back in the 00s and early 10s. Then in 2016 I guess I got interested in politics for whatever reason, I kind of gradually became more interested in it in Obama's term. I turned 18 in 2008 and I was mostly concerned with career/hobby related stuff, and that's pretty much the only messageboards I posted on were dedicated to those interests. So start becoming more politically concerned maybe in Obama's second term, but there wasn't much going on politically besides the first wave of BLM. Then 2016 hits and there is the Bernie wave so I got behind that. I first started on reddit, which I also never posted on before 2016, doing some anti-Hillary stuff. I even had one of my posts in /r/news or /r/politics hit the front page, but then they stopped allowing you to make submissions with titles quotes from the article, I think I was probably a part of that lol. One of my popular posts, I quoted from the article Bill Clinton saying "you know sometimes I wish that Hillary wasn't my wife." lol. Also they had like some thing where you can make text submission posts on Fridays or something and I did a write up of Hillary's involvement with the Gaddafi/Libya intervention thing. So then there was all this MAGApede shit that was big even on reddit, so I went to 4/pol/ because of that, then I found 8/pol/ through 4/pol/ and /leftypol/ from there and I've been posting on here regularly to semi-regularly ever since.
But anyways, long-story short, I don't really have the background most of you have being longtime 4chan users being involved in the like 50 boards on that website. Learning "chan culture" was kind of daunting at first, it seems that it has lessened a lot since then actually. So since I've been posting on 4chan I mostly only browse or post occasionally on /pol/ or /tv/. Occasionally looked at /m/. I guess I've glanced at /r9k/ a few times, but not much at all, I think I quickly got my fill every time I've looked, haven't looked at it in years. Seriously don't remember looking at any of the boards on 8ch besides /pol/, /leftypol/, and /leftpol/. I didn't even look at 8/pol/ that much, it quickly gave me a headache. It was like 4/pol/ but the moderators were actually dedicated to some alt-right mission so they always had like 8 stickies at a time. It was very directed.
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