>>2384562Executors of a large estates don't immediately close down accounts they just take them over until business is wrapped up.
>>2384581Clear cases of fraud isn't that mysterious.
>>2384631>Answer me this clearly and without your normal mental gymnastics Zionist.You have been given very clear answers.
>Is it preferable for us to have Mamdani or Cuomo as the mayor of New York? Completely irrelevant to any socialist. Both serve the wills of the democratic party by thier very existence within such a party. Both represent factions within it that coexist completely with the neoliberal framework of the system. Politicians lie through their teeth, but this is no surprise, it is the party behind them that reigns them in and keeps in compliance with thier (the party's) wishes. The democrats serve capital, any candidate run under the banner of the democrats will do just that. It is that simple. Trying to rebuild trust in a party whose entire purpose is to defend capital, actively harms any socialist movement. Mamdani and Cuomo both do that just with different words and methods but the end result is the same, rehabilitating the old order, the status quo, capitalism.
>>2384727He's saying mainstream Sunni Islam sold out to Israel for treats so marxists need to unite with hipster Islam instead.
>>2384740Except the accusation is directed at the third world instead which is funny.
>>2384815Yes, a resurgence in pb and middle class consciousness (the oligarchy squeezed them a bit too hard)
Those are the people salivating at gentrifying new york some more, displacing more of the actual bottom income, precarious strata with actual revolutionary potential (see recent mass upheavals, BLM, LA riots, etc).
They have always been here. But where is the revolutionary vanguard that will organize them? Tailing the white middle class I guess.
>>2384744the DSA, at least the NYC chapter, is anti-zionist, so socialist-adjacent is appropriate
DSA conditions for nomination:
>Publicly opposes all funding to Israel, including the Iron Dome>Participates regularly in the DSA Federal Socialists in Office Committee>Publicly opposes all criminalization of Anti-Zionism, such as bills advancing the IHRA definition which conflates criticism of Israel with anti-semitism>Publicly supports BDS (Boycott, Divest, and Sanction) to end Israeli settler-colonialismhttps://www.dsausa.org/statements/status-of-dsa-national-endorsement-for-rep-ocasio-cortez/ >>2384823But are they actually decolonial and pro landback?
Or are they two state or assimilationist ninnies?
>>2384835sure but i feel like the unspoken agreement is he leaves that on the retard slop channel.
Why are they like that? Why do they think anyone would even trust spineless moneygrubers?
>>2384831So their official position is liberal zionism, got it.
>>2384832Seems pretty self explanatory to me.
>>2384562>>2384585He named a couple of executors in his will and his brother, Mark, who inherited his estate:
https://stthomassource.com/content/2019/08/22/epsteins-brother-stands-to-inherit-fortune-financiers-will-leaves-room-for-other-claims/>>2384727>Abloo bloo Sunnis are decadent.Says the Maronite who abuses his hired Grubhub workers while Sunni militants are overthrowing governments and killing IDF soldiers (I have to bring up the fact that Hamas is Sunni).
>>2384838Yeah I agree, it's bad form of him to post this slop on main. For the ethan thing I think he just wanted to have everything he could say about it in one video, so he can just refer back to that when he needs to. The contra vid does feel like a cash grab, but I haven't watched it yet
He has been quite open about his youtubing not being for some higher cause, but just to make money and that you should probably see all online content creators like that. So I can't be too mad about it
>>2384824#RapeContrapoints
#RapeNetanyahu
>>2384886Work from the real world and not your idealized preconceptions
Nobody here thinks the DSA represents the american vanguard and obviously they are very libbed up/dem adjacent. But the stances illustrated in anon's post are not liberal zionism. While not the most radical, they clearly orient towards anti-zionism. It's a good thing they have these stances and there's a decent stance they'll evolve to become more radical in the future
For god's sake Mandami said he didn't even concede to israel's right to exist as a jewish state. The idea that a NYC major could say something like that and win, just 10 years ago, was unthinkable
This is not an endorsement of the DSA lol
>>2384954Opportunism: the post
Commmunists be waiting on the liberals to spontaneously turn more progressive instead of leading the progress. Washed.
>>2385123>>2385127Rather than that making X or Y commodity cheaper benefits all classes so it's completely unrelated to communism. Many people are confused and conflate the petit-bourgeois nature of rent and price controls with the assertion that all struggles against cost of living issues are inherently petit-bourgeois just because the petit-bourgeois are involved and make demands in it.
There's worlds of difference between, say, proletarians banding together to demand their workplace to increase their wages than "the masses" demanding politicians to change bourgeois policy.
>>2385152okay, so you butted in to add nothing. thanks.
>>2385153so if i implement rent controls, i ruin the economy? high rents are healthy?
<<<<<<socdems when theyre told their reforms will only fuck shit up and the only real solution is to abolish class society>>2385127>>2385153price controls have lead to shortages and eventually stuff being sold in the black market for outrageous prices
>>2385158lol retard, rent controls lead to less housing being built which will eventually lead to higher rents anyway
>>2385164>regulations dont work. we need a free market!yes, very intelligent stuff.
>rents are determined by supplied housing🤣🤣🤣 you fell for the propaganda. if i build a thousand homes, do rents for existing tenants automatically lower? riddle me this, why are there so many abandoned homes going ruin, while tenants increase demand for affordable housing? the answer is because housing is a monopoly which allows landlords to fix their own prices, because there is no competition. so in your own words, its good when the rich fix prices, but terrible when the poor does it.
>>2385178how about lowering rents at a fixed rate?
or does that harm the sacred free market?
>>2384932>How will social democracy be bad for workers but good for the petty bourgeois????
People just say shit these days huh
>>2385255That's a yacht club? That room is an eyesore. I'm not even against floral print or whatever, it just looks rather ugly. Her outfit is ugly too.
What is she, a Scottish cowboy the moonlights as a dominatrix?
>>2385270>erm what do you mean at the expense of the proletariatdo you know how capitalism works, where the fuck do you think money comes from
>these two categories aren't exclusive btwdoes anyone here even fucking read marx or is it all just roleplaying
>>2385256This whole Sharty/Kiwifarms continuum is so fucking cursed, I found a group of rightoids who worship Peter Scully and make mixtapes of sadistic CP and gore
These people are what Dostoyevski meant when he said “If there is no God, everything is permitted”
>>2385275>do you know how capitalism works, where the fuck do you think money comes fromCapitalists extract surplus value from workers. If the state then takes back some of this surplus in the form of taxes and spends it on social services thay benefit workers, how is this bad for workers?
>does anyone here even fucking read marxYeah which is why I know that class is about relations of production not income level.
>>2384932social democracy is bad in the imperial core because they are reformists who try to appease the contradictions, yes?
>>2384815there's no resurgene by that metric. at best, it will be more succdemagogery, which is the moderate wing of fascism.
those people won't care about real changes, just a better redistribution of the plunders of their ruling class.
Also
>resurgenceI remember in 2019
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/jun/23/communist-party-usa-chicago-cpusa-conventionhow there was these "news" about large waves of people subscribing and inscribing in the CPUSA.
and where are we now?
1 genocide later, 1 ukrainian war later, where are we now?
what resurgence?
>>2385296>social democracy is bad in the imperial core because they are reformists who try to appease the contradictions, yes?That's beside the issue. I'm not saying social democracy is good, but that it represents a new upswing in class consciousness from the relative low point of the 90s-2000s.
>there's no resurgene by that metric. at best, it will be more succdemagogeryWhat makes you say this? You understand that the early phases of the worker's movement went through similar stages right? Pacifist, reformist, non-revolutionary utopian socialism that preceded Marx and which wasn't supplanted by Marxism as the dominant socialist current until after his death. The point is that the late stages of the decline of the worker's movement at the end of the Cold War look a lot like the early stages of its emergence, and we should expect this pattern to repeat when a new wave of class consciousness appears. The important part is recognizing the relative trajectory of this movement, and since the 2000s it has gotten more popular and more radical even if its still a far cry from a real revolutionary movement.
>>2385288Good thing the first world middle class doesn't produce any surplus value.
They just manage and distribute third world surplus.
>>2385306that's…. a weird argument. "resurgence" and that's the exact word used in 2019? and somehow it's interconnected to 1820 to the first communist revolution? I don't see the connection between arguments, especially when it's already 200 years after those same first writings.
but hey, if you overdose in hopium, ok.
>>2385311>"resurgence" and that's the exact word used in 2019?There was a resurgence around then, and it's continuing now. It's not an overnight process to rebuilt class consciousness from scratch Anon.
>and somehow it's interconnected to 1820 to the first communist revolution? Its really simple Anon. The worker's movement first started to take shape with the industrial revolution. It appeared in its early stages in an embryonic form, lacking class consciousness and failing to grasp the necessity of revolution. It produced all sorts of theoretical and organizational dead ends like the French utopian socialists, Georgism, Luddites, etc. Only after decades did it produce mature Marxism, and only after a century did that force become a serious player in the politics of capitalist states. All I'm saying is that when the worker's movement is starting again from near-zero (i.e. the position it was in in the 90s and 2000s) its going to go through all sorts of similar dead ends and misguided deviations.
>>2385339> to rebuilt class consciousnessaaaaaaah,
rebuild that's the word doing the heavylifgting.
Sorry, I don't believe in sequels. the west had it worst in the 20th century, and they were closer by the 20th century than today, and I don't see these "modest" (I am being waaaaay too generous, just echoing the liberal media) steps as a resurgence, so this sequel isn't even sparking the grill to even be considered as it's cooking something.
>>2385348nah, I am not doomerist. I simply don't see it.
I was confusing that you were saying this moves were a build-up, instead you believe it is a rebuild-up, but in both cases, I don't see it, yet.
Not that I wish that tomorrow I have to see the beheaded heads of the leaders of nato to see meaningful changes, because I am fully aware of the different stages involved in a communist revolution evolve through the material conditions at any particular time, but we are far behind of past conditions. to have hope, yet I will never allow myself to be submerged in sad doomerism, which eventually leads to treason and betraying communist ideals and theories.
>>2385348>opportunityA literal opportunist lol
Communists make their own opportunities by organizing the proletariat through a revutionary party, instead of tailing the liberals
Your hopeless optimism would be alleviated if only you'd put your feefees aside and accepted what the real revolutionary strata is in the west (not the white "working" class)
>>2385274>That's a yacht club?looks like a old middling retirement home for some very old people. I think she's joking.
>>2385361>accepted what the real revolutionary strata is in the west Hotep FBAs?
>>2385373Everyone for whom there exists a slur
The settloid superstructure gives away the game here
>>2385399>Then why do they keep rioting every few yearsRiots achieve nothing then dies away as Democrats give extra lip service to how supper important whatever minority group is. Obviously that isn't real improvement in material conditions but keeps identity group pacified until the next time a riot achieves nothing. Current immigrant protest will follow the same trajectory.
>the communists who are supposed to guide them stand around slack jawed?Lots of reasons. But the one pertaining to this is protests that are based on identity discrimination can be defused by the government by just accepting them as "normal" workers. This is seen as a success by the identity group and they toss the harder demands of communist revolution out the window.
>>2385492There's no such thing as "false consciousness" and "consciousness" itself in a communist context just means proletarian association.
>the base of fascism historically has always been the middle classes and petit bourgeoiseTrue, but social democracy also aims to protect the reserves and property of the middle class.
>>2385741because India, with its (many many) flaws, is still somehow not as retarded as Israel and Pakistan
go figure
>>2385739 (me)
btw Li Yew Heah is a criminal wanted in Malaysia. she took part the biggest corruption scandal in Malaysian history
>>2385736His constant whining about how hard it is to be a white man in leftist spaces is annoying, nobody hates you for being white.
You know what real racism is like? Not being allowed to be in certain towns after mídnight because you might be fucking killed.
>>2385763CPUSAanon is a bitch ass uygha who keeps whining and moaning as if he is dying in the jungles of the Congo
The asshole is a crackka in California, he already has it better than most of the world easily
>>2385736Then I will make one for uhhh houdini, but not because I dislike him, just pure intellectual curiosity
>>2385804yeeeahh that's the sauce
>>2385739Empanada should do an apology at one tenth of his normal speaking speed while this video
>>2383035 loops in the background.
>>2385831Well.. You see, borrowing from the Lacanian framework, we see find a shearing between the Real, ergo the
meltability of the steel beam (or
poutre d'acier as Lacan himself writes), and the real, that is the
faux-conscience of the American east coast. The immanence of this unique flight of thought crystallised in the flight of two fine aerodynamic specimens, arabised through discursive deconstruction (I refer the audience here to Derrida
sans dérision), which finally, in the most Freudian phallic way, penetrated the Foucaultian cuboids of prison-institutions. The twinning of the latter was no coincidence, it was the Unity of the Real and the real at the precise moment of their annihilation. From this negative entropic closing of one 'real'
Weltanschauung , we observed, in an inverse big bang, the
jouissance of a Real Weltanschauung. Concretely, the Rot Armee Faction and European Anarchist cell chapters were closed, and the Jihadi chapter was opened.
>>2385831on the one hand it's kind of unfair to expect a less-toxic AVGN clone and a pair of femmes converting JAFFY philosophy 101 essays to youtube vids to start wading into the hell on earth gaza genocide. on the other it's fucking shameful that they've chosen to hideout in their walled garden nebula channels, and not even upload a half ass short clip to direct their substantial audiences to ways they could help.
>>2385857care to prove it? this is all I could find for hbom
>>2385859i couldn't find a statement (i didn't search super deep) but hbomb has retweeted some pro Palestinian stuff in the past. so at least i think it's reasonable to assume his stance is pro Palestinian. if he feels like he's not up to the task of making an informative meaningful statement whether in video or written form, i think that's respectable.
cba to look through philosophytubes tweets sorry
>>2385875That's not a materialist way to approach truth. People lie all the time, especially in politics, but practice shows their true colors. Hbomb has shown in practice that he will do a fundraiser in a situation that is a hundred times less deadly to civilians as long as it aligns with the goals of the US and UK ruling class. There is far less research needed to understand the occupation of Palestine, he has no excuse.
Not that he needs one, he's just a big bourgeois content creator who wants to talk about movies and video games.
>>2385873the ukraine shit tears it. it'd be one thing if he thought war was too horrifying to comment on, he's just a shitlib.
>>2385875I'm pretty unimpressed with your weak ass retweet screenshots and your excessive burden of proof. know what I'm gonna do about it?
> hbomberguy harry brewer harris brewer> philosophy tube abigail thorn oliver thorn olly thornby the power of vanity and google alerts I summon thee hence. stand before the authority of the imageboard of the proletariat and answer for your crimes! >>2385978deleuze and guttiari are so straightforward and useful once you get past the invented jargon and broken english:
> deterritorialization of a conflict/relationship happens when its participants are no longer spatially related> colonization and globalization create deterritorialization in multiple ways:> as military/racial conflicts move online they are joined and exacerbated by westernized nepo babies who have a cultural but not spatial relation to the original conflict and therefore don't have to experience consequences< think greek vs. tourkish banter, ukraine war, etc.> as free trade moves labor to the imperial periphery the nature of class conflicts change, this maximizes returns for capitalists, suffering for proles< think mining companies exacerbating conflicts in the sahel, polluting the amazon, the surpression of unions in special economic zones, capitalists that get to sleep easy on the other side of the world to rioting workers, etc.> as cultures migrate through multicultural societies pursuing economic opportunities the artifacts and traditions can be reinterpreted outside economic and social contexts they originated from< think muslim uni students drinking, queer kids of immigrant parents, cultural festivals, chinatown, koreatown, etc. >>2386177letting things flow, letting others speak:
>hello it's me hamtaro splimbles, I can't talk about gaza or I'll lose my ADR voice gigs, so here's a vid where I say how tragic things are, link a UNRW donate page, and play a clip from a HRW vid.I believe the term you're looking for is fence-sitting.
>>2386353you get to be able to fall deeply asleep during daytime when you're old?
fuck can't wait
>>2386014A contingent
So the strategy is to focus on organizing the main mass, and less effort on the smaller contingent of people who are already reading theory and self-radicalizing anyway
it's kinda like how mao focused on the peasants and took the national bourgeoisie that he could without focusing on them too much
>>2386171yeah people really fail to understand this on a fundamental level over and over.
I think it will become more obvious once more people are forced to work on dev teams making "AI" that supposed to solve problems more complicated than generating anime tiddies. People will find it is actually very bad and needs to be troubleshot nonstop and the curation and labelling of training data is itself something that cannot be done by AI yet because that is "the students graded their own tests on the honor system" level of BS
>>2386537Median white american has 200k in assets
It's a nation of PBs, no settler theory needed
>>2386577>Weren't D&G the only ones out of these French philosophers to actually be bonafide communists and Anti-Oedipus an attempt to reintroduce Marxism to the working classyou don't need to reintroduce marxism to the working class, they can easily find it and read it. it was introduced to the the working class of marx's era and into the 1910s and they got quelled with capitalists giving them economic concessions. since then they have been neutered from revolutionary energy as result, also stupified and titilated with modern conveniences that captialism can produces like video games, porn, a washing machine, mcdonalds, etc.
stuff like communist manifesto and germany ideology is pretty succinct and easy to read. it's mostly kids from bougie background that would take a class that involves a reading of Anti-Oedipus, and they would have likely read marx already either for curiosity in high school or part of some introduction to political philosophy 101 class. the major contradiction is that the text of marx is still a text, and marx is analyzing the materialist condition for socialism to come about. marx didn't say socialism comes from reading marx, it comes from contradictions in capitalism reaching a crisis point. even if marx's text didn't exist, it should still come about because he says he's uncovering laws of motion that would unfold regardless, so historical materialism is meant to be scientific, same with charles darwin theory of evolution
>>2386552>poverty lineliberal tricknology, means nothing
and it's not even that low, 15k a year is pretty livable if you're thrifty
>>2386650Because they're not merely poir but actively violently repressed & marginalized.
15k is the whitoid poverty line, there's a second, real poverty line under which brown people live, it's not calculated because liberal.statistics doesn't take into account de facto not being a full citizen
>>2386610you're not a petty porky just because you own a house, anon
also the conditions of the proletariat isn't some kind of fixed category. when Engels was alive proles didn't own homes. now they do. they also didn't own stock. now they do. this is the direct result of neoliberal policy
>>2386617nothing at all says a CEO can't also be a prole. it's just highly unlikely
>>2386692>the israeli working class is as oppressed as the palestinian working classYeah ok.
Remember, israel is merely the little satan, usa is the original
>>2386716frankfurt school is still a pretty good immanence analysis of how the logic of capitalism gets reified, how subjects then gets interpellated as a result, how the development of the media and modern culture industry gets shaped by capitalism, etc. also adorno criticized popular jazz in its commercialized and standardrized form, same with other popular forms of art. i think he would vibe with coltrane's a love supreme though. but he critiqued the commodification of art in general under capitalism. you can see it with hip hop and how it got assimilated and commodified for a white audience
also, the seduction by capitalism gets more sophisticated after the 2nd industrial revolution and into the third, that's why frankfurt school emerged, there was still no revolution.
>>2386755 (me)
of course, we obviously shouldn’t stop at ideology critique, but the frankfurt school’s value is in showing how capitalism, as it matures, develops more sophisticated ways of reproducing itself. everyone and their mother knows the slogans from marx ("workers of the world unite!" "we have nothing left to lose but our chains"), but what critical theory does is explain why those slogans stopped working. well it didn't exactly work either to galvanize a socialist revolution in the western advance countries in the late 19th and early 20th century. the working class was neutralized with economic reforms to give some concessions. but if early capitalism imposed material chains, the capitalists looses the chains a little bit to make their lives tolerable enough. but late capitalism also manufactures invisible mental chains, the kind that make people desire the very system that gets has them subjugated, so it's a double whammy. marx begins this line in the German Ideology "The ideas of the ruling class are in every epoch the ruling ideas." critical theorists just extend it into a world of television, news, advertising, liberal tolerance, etc
>>2386783if they're reading frankfurt school, they're most definitely reading gramsci within the same semester
>>2386784that's the trick, reading and understanding it doesn't change the material condition, marx talks about how it goes the other way where the forces of production has to fully mature first to rupture the relations of production. it's still fun to read tho
>>2386796>they're most definitely reading gramsci within the same semesterexcept gramsci isnt a lens for analyzing the themes of corporate media. hes a lens for understanding
why capital lets you tell stories about rebellion in the first place, and how that defuses actual revolt. meanwhile 99% of these retards are producing or consuming dogshit videos about "the hidden marxism of scrimblo bimblo" or whatever the fuck
>>2386814>your problemtheres no problem here because im not a lib brained retard like you. im correctly assessing the class background of people with enough reserves and property to not fit into the definition of a reserveless propertyless immiserated wage worker who has nothing to sell but their labor
>>2386827>and if they make videos about gramsci, which there are bunch on youtube, nothing still changesi agree :)
>>2385865Permaliberals who deserve being thrown in a psych ward.
The permanently online left got played like a fiddle
>>2387322> influencers have outsized control of the discourse through their platforms> left wing influencers represent our community> we can control left wing influencers by vibe checking them> we vibe check them by making them pass moral checkpoints and doing vicious viral slander campaigns when they failwe own these overpaid pieces of shit, they work for us, it can't be the other way around: if we don't rugpull their celebrity when they piss us off they will learn to despise us and disobey.
discipline is an act of love.
>>2387494>Yesyes what?
>you're a misogynist and a homophobe. I don't see how.
I'm trying to understand where you are coming from but just declaring I'm a misogynist homophobe doesn't clear it up.
>>2387435he's le problematic now
>>2387442>https://soyjakwiki.org/Communism_(Communist_Perspective)this is surprisingly good. it even has sources and everything
>The Modes of Production are the relation of workers and their tools/resources they use to produce products (food[Soy], clothing, literally anything). >There are multiple Modes of Production, the capitalist mode of production is when the bourgeoisiecucks[Satan] own the means of production and use the proletariat[Gigachad] to produce the means. Since the bourgeoisiecucks[Satan] own the means of production they also get the benefits of the means without actually producing the means. (so they sit on their ass all day and get money for someone else’s work). >>2386505Breadtube made the “mistake” of thinking their audience would not develop their political education. A lot of those folks who were watching breadtube in their late teens and early 20s are now full adults and most likely actually picked up a book to read and didn’t rely on he streamer or essayist to teach them anymore. So they have moved on to more radical creators, become creators themselves or have organized. Mike From PA is interestingly growing again because he’s where basically where most of those kids have developed in their political education and of course stay relevant and up to date in the current political landscape.
It all came out honestly with the 2024 election in November. It shows that most of those kids even from an electoral standpoint don’t care for the centrist democrats and will only vote for someone who’s left wing. The Biden years were an educational experience for those kids who grew up on breadtube of the ratchet effect plus even Biden’s most popular policy like debt canceling was reversed and half assed. 2028 will be fascinating, what will also be fascinating is the primaries to see if more left wing candidates primary centrist Dems.
>>2387720>they're the real victims (somehow) Never said that. They are active collaborators but not the main power. They are like the Tutsi in Rwanda under the Belgian and Germans.
>it's all whitey's fault (somehow)Jewish people couldn't have a place in American without the larger American bourg letting them.
>>2387824So you agree Jews should have no place in America?
And that white people should uproot them?
That's progress.
>>2388050is there a way to have swords on your wall without being a
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https://soyjakblog.com/forums/leftysoy-left-handed-soyjaks.51/>it’s deadyeah but it was just made today, still a step in the right direction
>>2387839i wonder what was going on with him some months ago. his skin looked so shiny and as if he were melting or dying of some wasting sickness.
he looks slightly more normal now.
>>2388669The list was a red herring for dumb people.
The little black book is the best we got.
>>2388667no shot. she's denying jeffstein?
>>2388669how?
>>2388690I can't figure out what level of psy-op we're on:
> the magatards building a conspiracy movement around donald trump's close friend and favored pimp> the hazbin hotels and libtards also trying to put a lid on it so they can hold onto their treats> israeli general straight up admitted they were managing epstein> 1000s of victims, dozens of settlements, all of it too spicy for the media to covercould this shit unravel the united states? even if you prune it back to the purely uncontested facts it still sounds like open, pervasive, and widespread corruption and child abuse.
> federal cops and prosecutors seemingly covering for the johns> media, perpetrators, and authorities colluding to keep it under wraps> the sweetheart deal> ivy league universities implicated> numerous celebs and billionaires among the perpetrators> the obvious assassination> trump inextricably linked to the whole thing> trump hiring a new pimp after jeff got busted> trump buying teen pageants and modelling agencies after jean luc brunel got bustedgiven all this it makes sense that the cops won't move, I guess that everyone has dirt on everyone else so nobody can rat anyone else out. but it's weird that this big of a scandal can build up without them all killing each other.
>>2387712A lot of Americans genuinely think that Jews are all billionaires
This is a direct inversion of the actual Russian antisemitism where it was based on Jews being poor peasants since they all lived in the Pale of Settlement, and usually go hand in hand with other forms of racisms (i.e if you're antisemitic you're usually also anti-catholic and believe that they work together)
It is much easier to debunk american antisemitism because you can just point out that most jews aren't rich. Much more dangerous than Antisemitism is anti-black racism which underlies every aspect of American rightoidism. Every single conservative policy can be interpreted as formulation of TND
>>2388667>DOJ investigated itself and found itself innocent. Had to be suicide.>>238869She is clearly a Clinton diehard who originally saw the Epstein story angled as an attack on the Clintons so she is coming up with dozens of barely coherent reasons for why it can't be real. But on the other hand Russiagate is a story that absolves Clinton's failure in 2016 so it must be real.
However on a deeper level, Liberals believe in ideas of government that people like Epstein directly contradict. He basically proves how worthless their supposedly democratic government is. So they point to outside foreign influence as the reason things are bad instead of looking inside.
>>2389043Silly ultra radlib, doing trade and pacts with Hitler was based realpolitik pragmatism.
Trotsky making his way into Italy for a couple days? Undeniable proof he was a fascist collaborator who wanted total Soviet genocide.
>>2389043>muh molotov-ribbentrop>I am a liberal, and instead of being angry at liberals that allied with nazis and fascists to topple communists I am angry at communists with no other choice.Hopefully, when YOU do your perfect socialist/communist revolution, you can teach others how perfect it is because they never associated themselves with anyone else to make survive the revolution, right?
what are you waiting for? don't reply, go, do the revolution.
>inb4 replies with some autistic screech.if you do, please, be careful that your fasc-lib mask doesn't slip again.
>>2389051Trotsky was the original Juan Guaido. He kept on trying to coup the government or overthrow it. In hindsight they were overly paranoid with Trotskyites as his hype with bigger than his real influence but hindsight is 2020.
>>2389102USSR fully expected a capitalist invasions that could have come from several capitalist countries and empire. Self sufficiency is not good enough to fight off invasions. They needed to be able to mass produce guns, tanks and munitions to fight off the capitalist invasion that happened in WW2 and that means outside trade.
Hitler's German was just one of the many capitalist powers they made a deal with that was hostile to communism. It also wasn't uniquely evil at the time they made the deal considering all the other genocidal racist empires in the world.
>>2389102>you cannot get a more self-sufficient countrywho's talking about self-sufficiency, you dense retard. the pacts were non-aggression pacts, the USSR was avoiding a war because the fasc-libs didn't want to form a military alliance to deter the nazis (the ulterior motives of the euro fasc-libs was because they wanted the nazis to attack the USSR as later on everything was revealed: churchill praising hitler, occupied France had its political caste intact and the only really fighting the occupation were the communists) and that was denied. what else could they do? what other faction existed by that time? none.
I told you to not reply with you fasc-lib mask slipping off your face, and there you go, being anti-historical, and anti-materialist.
now, go, do a revolution, simpleton.
>>2389102you don't know anything about history. molotov-ribbentrop was made after LITERALLY ASKING EVERY OTHER ALLIED NATION FOR AN ALLIANCE AND BEING REJECTED. Europe WANTED the nazis to kill the communists for them. molotov ribbentrop is one of the main reasons that russia survived ww2 at all, giving them time to establish their own industries of war rather than getting invaded immediately when they have no war materiel.
you trot cunts literally know nothing and pretend like you are smarter than anyone else, its fucking pathetic and disgusting to witness.
>>2389125>USSR fully expected a capitalist invasionWhich is why they gave millions of metric tons of war materials to the nearest capitalist country and was surprised when it invaded them, of course.
>>2389130>>2389131>The western allies refused to ally with the USSR against the nazis, thats why the Soviet Union needed to support the nazis!The greatest minds of leftypol.org
>>2389043>>2389051Make fun of pragmatism all you like, but when everyone else is doing it (such as the Entente and the Axis), it becomes a necessity. Crying about "waaah I don't wan't compromise on my principles" when your enemy is infinitely more evil (as in capitalist) than you and lacks any of the principles you adhere to is cuck behaviour. From the POV of pragmatism, the Entente and the Axis powers had every reason to support Trotsky against Stalin and in no circumstances the other way around. If Trotsky was the only real revolutionary, then why didn't the Blackshirts (the goons of an actual white terrorist regime) or any other capitalist country arrest him?
Trotsky hinted at running a terrorist organization inside the USSR, writing shit on the level of "it'd be shame if someone came up to Stalin and shot him", hoping that a series of assassinations could collapse the "Stalin regime". Him cozying up to the idea of a military coup only a few years after painting Tukhachevsky as the real Bonaparte who will bring an end to the revolution and worse than Stalin is also suspicious. What made him change his mind about the army? Whatever excesses may have been made during the purges, it must be said that those events were kicked off by the murder of a politburo member. It is also very interesting how bourgeois and Trotskyite historians universally consider this assassination a false flag by Stalin/the NKVD, without any concrete evidence. It must be so because they have to deny the premise that Trotsky plotted to overthrow Stalin in exile with actual agents working under him. It shouldn't even be said that a coup against Stalin would have almost surely lead to a period of chaos in the USSR and that the primary beneficaries of a violent transitory period would have been the capitalist great powers.
Oh btw Trotsky had his own Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. When Nazi Germany launched an invasion against the USSR, he proposed that the Soviets should ask for a truce with Germany and give up Ukraine as a "neutral" zone (effectively a German puppet state) so that he can use that as an opening to coup Stalin, as the only chance for a Soviet victory was through his genius revolutionary leadership, making the efforts of the Soviet people irrelevant who were mostly loyal to Stalin. Even Kerensky was like "wtf dude I know we both hate Stalin, but right now in these circumstances you are just being unpatriotic".
>>2389160>Make fun of pragmatism all you likeI support pragmatism when its necessary
>If Trotsky was the only real revolutionaryFuck Trotsky, my point is that MLs are hypocritical AND infinitely worse than the people they criticize, not that Trotsky cooperating with Fascist Italy or whatever is fine.
>>2389167>crush the invasionlol. lmao even. Its so funny how stalinoids conceptualize historical events.
>>2389203don't let silly things like
facts get in the way of hating on Trotsky
>>2389146>Which is why they gave millions of metric tons of war materials to the nearest capitalist country and was surprised when it invaded them, of course.Who posed a greater threat to capitalist powers? The largest country in Europe that was massively ramping up industrial production, or a random wandering intellectual whose only asset was clout among a particular section of communists and some remaining contacts within the USSR? On the basis of this, which communist leader would have the nazis been more likely to ally with? The one that can hurt them or the one who can't?
For the USSR Molotov-Ribbentrop couldn't have been anything other then a temporary truce for buying time, as Germany was the only country that had a large enough border with the USSR to launch an invasion that could have had defeated the Soviets. There is nothing indicating that the Soviet leadership was any way biased towards fascist capitalist over Western capitalism.
>>2389207Trotsky funded Hitler's rise to power with gold he stole from Soviet currency reserves when he fled from Moscow.
Source: Dude trust me.
>>2389146They didn't just give away war materials lol. It seems you don't understand the concept of trade…
>was surprised when it invaded themYou are purposefully confusing them not knowing the exact time of invasion with them not knowing they will eventually be invaded. USSR stared preparing for invasion in the 30s and by the 40s official army memos show they saw Germany as their most dangerous enemy. When it comes to Operation Barbarossa it's true that Stalin did mistakenly expect more time. The USSR had months of false invasion information that never materialized so Stalin discounted it when Hitler actually did start making moves. But the idea they were completely surprised by the invasion is western propaganda.
>>2389184>I support pragmatism when its necessaryso how it wasn't nescessary for the USSR to make a pact and use the time relocate thousands of millitary industry, Rearm and update the millitiary doctrine and training while securing the Japanese front ?.
they won everything with the pact, Poland, an nation that were very happy to band with nazis to part the czchecks and have positive relations with fascism until a few years before their invasion was destroyed, the west were preocupied with nazism that they let exist in the first place through Munich, turning blind eye to the breaking of Versailles and denial of cooperation with the USSR.
you think they could have taken Germany + Japan and maybe Poland back to back ?.
>>2389213fact: trotsky most likely (or Lenin's wife who was trotsky's friend) falsified Lenin's testament. If they were capable of doing this, what else could've done?
none-idealistic answers only, plibs.
>>2389216>so how it wasn't nescessary for the USSRBecause it actively hurt them come Barbarossa, Nazi Germany made it to Moscow through Soviet incompetence, through Soviet supplies, not mystical aryan strength they gained from Trotsky beyond the grave.
>>2389225>who did win WII, then, chums? WHO.Winning a near-pyrrhic victory is "crushing" the invasion lol, again, very funny
>>2389213>>2389207>>2389203I got the date wrong. Are you satisfied now? I was typing this based on books I have actually bothered to read.
>On 22 April 1939 [Trotsky] spoke out for “freeing the so-called Soviet Ukraine from the Stalinist boot.” Once independent, it would then unite with western Ukraine, to be wrested from Poland, and with Carpathian Ukraine, annexed shortly before by Hungary. Let us reflect on the timing of this stance. The Third Reich had just completed the dismemberment of Czechoslovakia, and rumors began to grow that the Soviet Union (and in particular the Ukraine) was Germany’s next target. Under these circumstances, in July 1939, even Kerensky had taken a stand against Trotsky’s wondrous project which, the Menshevik leader observed, only favored Hitler’s policy. “The same opinion is held also by the Kremlin,” Trotsky promptly retorted, who, on the other hand, had already written in the 22 April article that with the independence of the Ukraine “the Bonapartist clique [in Moscow] will reap what it has sown”; better that “the present Bonapartist caste is undermined, upset, crushed, and swept away.” Only this way could the road be paved for a genuine “defense of the Soviet Republic” and its “socialist future.”151 Immediately after the start of the invasion of Poland, Trotsky went even further. In predicting the final ruin of the Third Reich, he adds: “On the road to the abyss Hitler can not only crush Poland, but he can give the Soviet Union such blows as to cost the Kremlin oligarchy their heads.”152 This prediction (or this wish) for a liquidation (even physical) of the “clique” or “Bonapartist caste” by a revolution from below or even by a military invasion could not fail to appear to Stalin’s eyes as the confirmation of his suspicions about the at least “objective” convergence of between the Nazi leadership and the Trotskyist opposition. Both had an interest in provoking the USSR’s collapse from within, even if the former saw in this collapse the prerequisite to the Slavic country’s enslavement and the latter the unleashing of a new revolution. >>2389203>>2389207>>2389213The Nazi invasion of Czechoslovakia in 1938 motivated Trotsky's retarded Ukraine plan as written in his Problem of the Ukraine in 1939.
>>2389258>giveOnce again, trade isn't giving things away.
>>2389272>and they've called the USSR victory a pyrrhic victory.lmaaaaao lol. go to that thread and see them burning their weapons because they've allied with the curcks.
you are unserious, and retarded, fasclib.
also, go watch your agent kochinsky because in here you won't get comfy with your delusional ideas.
>>2389294>Zigga pleaseHe's like Juan Guaido in that capitalists governments let him travel around giving incendiary speeches and pose as the legitimate government in exile.
>he actually had military experience and did overthrow a government.Yeah that's why the USSR was so paranoid about him. It seemed like he and his followers could be a legitimate internal threat for a while.
>>2387006Yep more genpol spookery.
I can't believe that people still take BS created by burger marketing companies seriously.
>>2389418>>2389399they are two side of the same coin. no one rebuked the commanders and battalions of the SDF that are named or directed by high ranking members of the PKK, making the YPG/SDF actually the PKK/YPG/SDF the same thing.
>inb4>muh curck psyopfuck nato, as simple as.
if that's the only answer you can come up with, then you are nothing less than a libtard.
meanwhile, you cheered the fall of Assad, where can go the Palestinians as a protected population inside Syria? to the rojava? fat chance they will also give protection to them while they are proactively praising Israel.
that's your le epic owning revolution, totally not pyrrhic.
>>2389229>Because it actively hurt them come BarbarossaIncorrect, if the MR pact didn't happen the invasion of the USSR would happen much earlier while japanese were proding in the east, enabling the nighmare scenario for the USSR having to fight a two front war, the disastrous effects of early war comes from the fact that barbarossa is still is the greatest feat of mass mobilization in large scale in history, with the Bitzkrieg being perfect quick strike for the flat platteu between Ukraine's borders and Moscow, coupled with the massive borders of the USSR made it a mass assault easy ordeal and almost indefensable, what you ask is that germany gets even deeper on this plateu, while sensible industry on western USSR don't get relocated, while the army is disorganized and being hit by japanese agression on the east, i can see why alot of communists were purged by stalin, this short sight is dangerous
>near-pyrrhic victory>because 27 milion died well, it was a war of extermination and colonialism, they are the only nation that survived and denied westerner manifest destiny, something whatever you support will never achieve because it isn't a threat to anything.
>>2389486>if the MR pact didn't happen the invasion of the USSR would happen much earlier while japanese were proding in the eastThere is no scenario in which Germany could have physically attacked the USSR prior to Japan throwing out plans for an invasion of the USSR. By the time Hokushin-ron was abandoned after Khalkin Gol Germany had not even finished conquering Poland, much less resolved the conflict in the west against France. Japan invading the USSR is a ridiculous fantasy hypothetical only peddled to justify MR.
>something whatever you support will never achieveI support socialism.
>>2389509My apologies, you're right, rojava just seized the means of production and gave it to the proletariat instead of doing the proper socialist thing and upholding marxism-leninism-stalinism-killdefenselessworkersism
>>2389518The USSR allying with nazis would have been understandable if it was necessary for their survival, but it wasn't, unlike Rojava allying with America for their survival, which was. What is so hard for stalinoids to understand about this?
>>2389530>The USSR allying with nazis would have been understandable if it was necessary for their survivalhow come? you said it was a pyrrhic victory, thus it is imply that hey barely won.
straighten your arguments son. you are as wobbly as a flan in reasoning consistency.
>rojava just seized the means of production and gave it to the proletariat instead of doing the proper socialist thing and upholding marxism-leninism-stalinism-killdefenselessworkersismlmao, Occalan latest book doesn't even talk about Marx, not even one time Marx name is mentioned. He rejected Marxism-Leninism to become some sort of bookchinite with 0 interest on communism, read it, it's outthere for free
communist society no
socialist society no
democratic confederalism - you are here
neoliberalism. soon.
>>2389530I am making you a favor here, because you won't look up for the book:
https://www.freeocalan.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/Ocalan-Democratic-Confederalism.pdfctrl+f
Marx: 0
Means of production: 0
Proletariat: 0
thus, your sole argument is based on pure idealism.
do you know who obscures Marx terminology? people that don't want to uphold their values against their masters with any confrontation and are freed to betray their core values at any time, because they weren't serious to begin with.
>>2389547>He rejected Marxism-Leninism to become some sort of bookchinite with 0 interest on communismYou have very poor reading comprehension, that was my entire point, that you "Marxist-Leninists" are mad that Rojava actually did socialism instead of upholding "Marxism-Leninism"
>you said it was a pyrrhic victory, thus it is imply that hey barely won.He barely won BECAUSE of Molotov-Ribbentrop, I'm not going to reply anymore if your literacy skills are this low.
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