>>2813000>>2813033>The peoples zionist intelligence agencyIt really just seems to be the LaRouche business model.
That's all ACP is. And if it ever looks any other way, then that's just them climbing the spook ladder and doing ops in their name. IDK why anyone would trust the ACP, but I value their presence as a litmus test.
Anyone who ever relates with the ACP is to be forever blacklisted with a degree of association from any communist org.
>>2813217None of the images says about civilians nor even implied.
>>2813223It's probably a crypto-Islamist seething about the time Brace talked about pissing on the dead bodies of ISIS fighters
>>2812978based retard
>>2812974boring retard
>>2811967> aggressive white supremacists by getting them to internalise 'chud'Calling yourself sewer dwelling mutant zombies to own the libs
>>2811967I think a larger part of the greater chud project is to colonize crust punk aesthetics (And punk aesthetics in generla now that I think about it) because if you control both the underground and the aboveground like what the fuck is going to oppose you? Rightiods are still dubbed "contrarians" and "edgelords" by the masses. We must make being a rightiod basic like it was before 4chan was appropriated and turned into a factory of chud memes that you're supposed to find funny for some reason or else you're a softy or whatever.
>>2811995DPRK survived by cracking down on western culture, China by just providing them.
USSR did the only wrong tbing which was neither, as they usually did for most issues
The curse of being the first
>>2813274Everyone that isnt an aging millenial or a genX think "crustpunk" and "punk" suck because it's revoltingly ugly. It's also not underground at all, it's just unpopular because it's lame and has been.
Actual under-30 people are into looksmaxxing, streamers, romanticised yuppie aesthetic from the 80s, gambling, animes or adult swim cartoons. Punk is nowhere to be found.
>>2813088>You're being a bit of a schizo. Some people are just retarded, and that spanish guy was fucking retarded.Thing is the YPG was trying to recruit Arabs under the SDF front and there was going to be Arab fighters (also probably Kurdish fighters as well) who'd see that and say "we're not going to fight alongside faggots."
>>2813155>him buying epsteins blackbook lolI think now he might have faked that. Like the address book was already publicly available, and he printed it out and made his own "black book" and was trying to sell it at auction for an entry price of $75,000. It didn't sell. He's a con artist.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2024/08/16/jeffrey-epsteins-little-black-book-fails-sell-auction-twice/>>2813287>Actual under-30 people are into looksmaxxing, streamers, romanticised yuppie aesthetic from the 80sIdk I see a a decent amount of zoomers walking around who look like they're wearing 90s grunge fashion that also looks kind of goth.
>>2813361>I see a a decent amount of zoomers walking around who look like they're wearing 90s grunge fashion that also looks kind of goth.that's just them being mentally ill dysfunctional slobs, not subculture. Easy mistake to make
>>2813247He also calls them clowns on numerous occasions, which they objectively are
>>2813361>Thing is the YPG was trying to recruit Arabs under the SDF front and there was going to be Arab fighters (also probably Kurdish fighters as well) who'd see that and say "we're not going to fight alongside faggots."It wasn't really local facing media though, it was clearly aimed at europe. I'm not saying it wasn't a shit idea, i just don't think it was this 5D chess move, just some naive kids trying to push back at structures (that they honestly have no business pushing back on) which frustrate them.
Also look at the pages in the "black book" in the clip (that was Helali showing it to Business Insider). The book is supposed to be 20 years old, maybe older to the 1990s, but the pages look like they came straight out of a printer. He fabricated it to try and scam people out of money.
>>2813419I also don't actually know what was going on. Like, I wasn't there.
>TanKKKoids still coping about Rojava
Assad LOST
Does anyone have that other thing about him what got him dubbed Helali The Israeli? The thing about knowing that Israeli resort town in South Asia somewhere.
>>2813456that was a gaynazi anecdote
>>2813465>>2813477It was posted by that ACP Leaks account but it looks like they've deleted it
>>2813465>>2813477Wasn't it a twitter screenshot? I'm pretty sure.
>>2813477>and I've done this too, where you give different people different information and see what surfaces,It's also very suspicious. Just from personal experiences when people have been highly suspicious of someone or when it has come out after that the person was a cop that's something people have said, like 'oh he told me X story but told someone else [or same person previously] Y'. Where and what they studied is one that springs to memory, which i guess makes sense because you can't say you went and studied some policing nonsense if you're undercover in activist spaces.
>>2813098This dude is cool as hell wtf?
>>2813504it's just a information battle tactic, but of course cops do dumb shit like this lol. Rich people do trustworthiness experiments too, they just do it with money instead of information.
>Berg et al. [59] proposed the trust game in 1995 as an elegant way to measure trust and trustworthiness between two agents. Player A (the trustor) is initially given some amount of money, normalized to 1. In the first step of the game, player A can choose to trust player B (the trustee) and transfer a proportion x ∈ [0, 1] of her endowment to player B. A transfer of x = 0 corresponds to player A choosing to not trust B and to walk away with her money; in this case, the game ends. Instead, if A transfers some amount x > 0 to B, the amount of money transferred to player B is tripled (i.e. B gets 3x units of money while A is left with 1 − x) and the game continues. In the second step, player B chooses a fraction r ∈ [0, 1] of the money he possesses to return to player A. This marks the end of the game. Therefore, the final payoffs of player A and player B are, respectively, 1 − x + 3xr and 3x(1 − r) units of money.I think Helali failed that one with the IWW lol.
>2813504
>makes sense because you can't say you went and studied some policing nonsense if you're undercover in activist spaces
I think the feds like to recruit grad students in criminal justice programs (also via internships) who are on the track for a federal L.E. job for this job because they are on the younger side. Activists could probably spot some just by looking at group pics of criminal justice student association programs in their area and then it's like hey… is that???? And one of the people in that fraternity is also inside a local left-wing group with a totally made up background story.
Can someone please tell me what’s going on with Clementine Morrigan?
She’s scheduled to present at the Montreal Anarchist Bookfair tomorrow. I have no idea who she is even though I’ve heard her name float around in a lot of local anarchist spaces. Apparently, a lot of people hate her and have physically attacked her in the past to the point where she’s demanding security at the bookfair tomorrow. What did she do exactly to cause this response?
https://snowhollandsilas.substack.com/p/ass-backwards-bullshit-at-the-montreal>>2813559god i love leopard print
>>2813520>it's just a information battle tactic,To what end? Okay so you did you're 'information battle tactic', lol, and now you're iced out of everything because nobody trusts you? What has been gained here?
>>2813609
you believe in quackery. it would be trivial to convince you that homeopathy and astrology and psychoanalysis are real science.
>>2813559Her partner is a known rapist and she’s defended him multiple times.
Why is this former Clavicular associate called Anthropogenic now making woke reels on deconstructing gender roles and shit ? Has being deported to Australia turned him Paulus? What's going on? Is this a ruse?
free my niqqa chud
>>2813559Based on that article I'm gonna assume she's a piece of shit
>>2813038the og image still hits hard regardless
>>2813164>taken up the mantle of male-male affection.ACP if it was based and bordig pilled
>>2813247this is out of context: he's using their successes to highlight the opportunity cost of democrat entryism.
>>2813000Hes a lawyer just like lenin. You are bordigite
>>2813913wtf its "falling RATE of profit" not "falling of profit", is the account manager stupid?
>>2813171Acp is only yank party that is recieved by hamas and houthis. You are zionist. You attack vanguard
>>2813128>controversial among anarchists"some members of the anti-State, individual freedom ideology actually believes in collective organization supporting the anti-EU pro-Russia president" bro your entire thing is anarchy wtf 🤡
>>2813833>>2813835>accountabilityI'm always happy to repost this great essay about the deranged neoliberal subjectivity in the left:
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/anonymous-the-broken-teapot> Lately, however, I have found that a funny thing has happened, at least with the anarchists. We’ve become afraid to hold one another up in a real honest way. The language of accountability has made support a weird community currency, more important in appearance than deed. It has become something which must be unquestioningly offered that functions in rigid and essentialist ways. There is an algorithm for support now and if you don’t engage with the algorithm in the correct manner you find yourself out in the cold or, even worse, hunted.>Last year when I left my partner, they totally lost their shit, became obsessed, fixated and eventually began stalking me. I received some support from close friends and family, but the general anarchist community, usually vocal to a fault, said nothing. Some said nothing because they did not know the extent of the escalation and some said nothing out of fear, a desire to avoid conflict. I hold no malice towards any of those people. Others said nothing because I would not begin an accountability process. It is these people, who could not have known at the time how they were breaking me, that hurt me in ways that are hard to express.>I did not want an accountability process and all the exposure and tendrils that came with it. I wanted to be left alone. I would not identify myself as a victim because I was not solely ‘a victim’. Is anyone? In their saner moments neither was my ex solely ‘a perp’, in fact they considered themselves to be a victim of my manipulations and omissions. Somewhere far away from those flat unforgiving categories we might have found some gracious out but with the language available to us it was a mess. In order to pull support I was expected to mediate this Kafkaesque disjuncture by branding them an abuser. I would not do that because abuse dynamics aren’t so simple. I participated in a codependent relationship and at the end I lied like all hell to get out.>My ex started to use their need ‘to address our issues’ as a reason to continue to be in my life. When I would not give in to their demands, and understanding well how power works, they threatened to start an ‘accountability process’ against me. It was a bleak affirmation of my worst suspicions to watch them use these ‘community’ norms, so well-intentioned in their inception, in a manner befitting a very large stick. In the end wary, no doubt, of not winning a showdown at the larger ‘community’ level they never made good on that threat.>I had moved out of our collective house to get away but, not anticipating an escalation of hostilities, I made the tactical error of moving into a place alone. They started coming over unannounced. As their behavior became more and more erratic my fear of them grew. People expressed concern for me but no intervention was made to them. Consent culture precluded anyone telling my ex to leave me the fuck alone without some rubber stamp of approval. I needed someone else to say something totally independent of any request on my part because in ex’s head I deserved to be punished, no reasonable discussion, amount of screaming or pleading from me made any difference.>I left town. They found reasons to be in each subsequent city I traveled to. At some point the categories of abuse flipped in their head. This did not actually help much, they continued contacting me, this time in order to be ‘accountable’ to me. I told them to fuck off and to leave me alone. From when I left them to when they finally left me alone was about 6 months.>After the therapist at the walk-in clinic told me if I didn’t move far away without telling anyone, stop being a part of our shared radical ‘community’ and get a restraining order I was ‘participating in my own stalking’ I went to the park and cried long and hard in exhaustion and desperation. Eventually I pulled myself together and made a few phone calls to see who might be able to help. I begged a mutual friend to encourage my ex to leave me alone. They basically told me ‘without an accountability process, they didn’t feel comfortable intervening’. I wanted out of our terrible relationship not to be pressured into continuing it in the name of ‘healing’. The tears I shed then were angry and bitter.>This is but one vignette in a thousand of the ways these processes have failed us. If not getting support unless you agree to the ‘correct’ process is one failure, then being unfairly damned and righteously condemned is another. I have seen people pulled into these processes through gray area miscommunications of consent. There have been people falsely accused, a verbal ‘yes’ in the moment became a retroactive ‘no’ later. We have hurt and branded people through our practicing of unquestioning belief and our sloppy use of really broad categories.>I have witnessed these processes become tribunals which continue codependency and become about revenge. It is hard to say if this is intentional or not but as they say, ‘the road to hell is paved with good intentions’. These processes were born out of trauma, hope and all the best of our desires for solidarity and healing. I know that to be true, but it’s not working out that way. We wanted to free ourselves from patriarchy except we just created a new kind of ‘justice’, and it is damning us! It is making us act more and more like our enemies. Through much soul searching, I have concluded that I was wrong to believe in, participate in and perpetuate accountability processes. This anthology is part of my amends.>Since this break point I have started to try and challenge accountability processes but even at a theoretical level, this gets falsely categorized as ‘blaming the victim’. To question accountability is to question the sex positive culture of consent we have all worked so hard to create. When did these things get so tangled together? There is a ‘can’t win for losing’ mentality to these discussion. If you don’t believe anymore, you don’t care about violence, assault or abuse. To question is to betray. Roblox hurt voice: "oof!"
>>2813915Which oil company CEOs did ᴉuᴉlossnW jail?
>>2813938none. anon is stupid.
>>2813833>>2813835Jesus fucking Christ
>>2813597Well, he did kill his mom
>>2813559>>2813833>>2813835This sums up the biggest problem with anarchism that anarchists all face but are in total denial about.
Anarchists are obsessed with keeping their spaces and circles non-hierarchical, leaderless, structureless, and spontaneous. They refuse to resolve internal conflict on a political level and instead insist all conflict must be solved within the realm of the social. This means that they take things that are not nefarious and treat them as if they were nefarious. When someone in their circles is accused of something, they "resolve" it through shaming, shunning, spreading rumours and innuendos about that person, ruining their reputation online, and so on. Everything inevitably falls into one gigantic clusterfuck.
Let's think of an example here:
Tommy the anarchist is accused of sexually abusing Amanda the anarchist. Amanda tells everyone in the local anarchist collective about what Tommy did to her and demands they do something about him. However, Tommy is a very good organizer, does a ton of activism, and has the correct politics on everything, so the collective is a bit reluctant to remove him. Tommy's biggest supporter in the collective, Ashley, is having none of this and accuses Amanda of lying. She takes to social media and spreads rumours about Amanda being a cop, wrecker, closeted reactionary, TERF, Zionist, NazBol, doodoo head, whatever. Half the collective is now against Amanda. However, the other half believes Amanda and now spreads rumours about Ashley and tries to get her fired from her job. Pretty soon, the entire anarchist collective falls apart without ever truly resolving the issue of whether or not Tommy was an abuser and how to hold him accountable if he was. See what I mean?
Anarchists live in the myth that we can make crucial decisions spontaneously by coming together at a random time, forming a consensus, and then splitting off without any kind of formal structure. This is nonsense and they all know it. Hell, we can see this very clearly in the past 35 years of anarchist activism. Anarchists, by in large, have failed to metabolize the lessons of the 90s and early 2000s anti-globalization movement, mid-and-late 2000s Anti-Iraq War movement and finally Occupy Wall Street when American anarchism hit its climax. Specifically, that the masses of people are looking for structure, strategy and consistency. The above said movements were merely a boom-bust cycle of street protests that lacked any coherence or strategy: take to the streets, escalate (smash windows, set cars on fire), get arrested, pay the fine and bail out, rinse and repeat. Nowhere was there any real attempt to force immediate material concessions from the capitalist state.
>>2813572>gallombaloongas KEK.
>>2813833sending eggplants emojis to a woman you are dating isn't bad, ffs.
>>2814011>>2814011>>2813559https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/bill-beech-war-on-anarchismthis sums up very well where current wester anarchism stands.
you have to ask to yourself: where do they stand?
and this article answers you what their problem is.
>>2814011>Tommy the anarchist is accused of sexually abusing Amanda the anarchist. Amanda tells everyone in the local anarchist collective about what Tommy did to her and demands they do something about him. However, Tommy is a very good organizer, does a ton of activism, and has the correct politics on everything, so the collective is a bit reluctant to remove him. Tommy's biggest supporter in the collective, Ashley, is having none of this and accuses Amanda of lying. She takes to social media and spreads rumours about Amanda being a cop, wrecker, closeted reactionary, TERF, Zionist, NazBol, doodoo head, whatever. Half the collective is now against Amanda. However, the other half believes Amanda and now spreads rumours about Ashley and tries to get her fired from her job. Pretty soon, the entire anarchist collective falls apart without ever truly resolving the issue of whether or not Tommy was an abuser and how to hold him accountable if he was. See what I mean?There are loads of anarchist writings on how to deal with situations exactly as you've described here.
>>2813913relax ultra, it just skips to the ultimately conclusion
>>2814015>Natopolitan Anarchistssnrk that's amazingly on the nose
>This is why, despite claiming that ‘the Vietnam-U.S. War was a mirror image of the Ukraine-Russia War’, Wayne Price loudly protests against this also being also a proxy war. Instead, he draws a textbook set of conditions of what an inter-imperialist conflict would look like:how dumb does one have to be to compare Vietnam to Ukraine? Vietnam didn't have to forcibly conscript "volunteers" for one
>>2814030>There are loads of anarchist writings on how to deal with situations exactly as you've described here.Which is a part of the problem.
>>2813833Why are anarchoids always so ooga booga?
>>2813938presumably referring to the nationalization part, it was indeed a significant part of italian fascism
>>2814015So, anarchists can split between "bothsides bad" and "heil hitler", but seem to be unable to.ever actually support the right side
>>2813938"I think our fascist, genpcidal government shpuld manage industrial production directly"
How is one to interpret this
>>2814163this guy should relax
>>2814203nothingburger, mattick pointed out marxism is the last refuge of the bourgeoisie decades ago
>>2814163>post the unofficial view of every contemporary "communist" partywhat else is new?
>>2813833Isn’t physically assaulting someone for not agreeing with you a part of fascism?
>>2814030>There are loads of anarchist writingslol that's the point
>>2814011Send tankie detectives to investigate crimes in the anarko commune
>>2814030People like these don't want to read or think about such things, they would like only to sweep them under the rug.
>>2814030Thoughts on Roman Polanski?
I thought r/trueanon would be a powerful subreddit but it has been very disappointing as of late. Oh well.
>>2814418The Ninth Gate is a cool movie
>>2814487I thought true anon was red scare until this year because they are both a podcast and a reddit, and because of that one schizo who used to talk about them here.
IDK why anyone would listen to this shit, they are just random titles on youtube so you don't know what the topic will be going in and cannot properly search through them. Feel like most people listening to this stuff do it for parasocial reasons than any serious interests in the topics discussed.
>>2814418very likely a spook
>>2814493brutally mogged by chinatown (1974)
>>2814547
fat lot of good that did them: capitalism is failing everywhere. academia is stuck in a funding catch 22 and being parasitised by literal epsteinite journals. the global capitalist economic empire is collapsing: US bonds and the petrodollar are cooked, and the IMF and world bank are easily undercut by beijing.
the point of marxism is to understand and educate to end capitalist exploitation and have a party structure to protect the public when capitalism inevitably fails.
anarchism opposes the proletariat as much as it opposes capital, and honestly proles should be beating you up the same way the booj would if you disrupted a council meeting.
>>2814860
peak anarchism is when your 8000 word essay about how cool it is to get black communities tear gassed by using them as cover when breaking windows is read 40 times and mentioned once on twitter.
>>2814880
peak marxism is two superpower economies in 100 years. best anarchism ever acheived is a blog.
>>2814883
even if that were true, the status quo for the orient was getting raped and murdered under colonialism. not sure how that's better besides making your family rich, incidentally, wealthy families are the same people anarchists hit up for a bailout whenever their squat gets evicted. curious.
are you the same moron from the vegan thread?
>>2814891Your family’s money is blood money and you’re the drug dealer for America’s shopping addicts and military contractors
>>2814897americans have been the actual drug dealers of actual drugs since the opium wars.
>>2814899Unlike the chinese we don’t pretend otherwise
>>2814905100% looking forward to the american century of humiliation.
>>2809910No way so you're that guy ? I thought the other anon who sperged out and called you out was hallucinating
>>2809900successful? How many unions are they involved in radicalizing? How many orgs do they run? Have they won any electoral victories?
They're not remotely successful. Their whole existence is limited to the Internet. SAlt, FRSO, and PSL are all far more successful by any metric.
>>2814918The George Floyd event saw the largest transfer of wealth to "the black community." read: the Democratic party, NGOs, the black bourgeoisie, grifters & social parasites, etc. $90 million from individuals and $83 billion from corporations. Normal Americans aren't really racist, the oligarchs are for sure and they have a manipulated cohort of white supremacists of all class and ethnic backgrounds to express themselves with.
>>2814969it might be a joke anon
>>2814997because platner never denied the tattoo. he apologized, and put another tattoo over the old swastika.
>>2815020Glad you are craving more child killers using a nazi tattoo to promote your liberal values, but you didn't really address what was said here
>>2814983these sorts of snarky comments allow people like hasan to hyper focus on the tattoo, point out that he got it covered up, and move on. rather than addressing the larger picture that him having a nazi tattoo is a part of. his official position is one of liberal zionism so he is going to be another liberal zionist USA senator. he supports USA military expansion and better benefits for USA military members. if you are a leftist you must understand that the USA military is exclusively a force for harm around the world
and domestically. you should not want this. hasan and his ilk, whether intentionally or not, are helping the general public swallow the bitter pill of an increasingly tyrannical and militaristic USA on the world stage, with moderate social benefits.
that is no measure of communism. that is no variant of leftism. it is
national socialism. no exaggeration, he is helping USA
fascism.
Meme wise I would say that the left is a tank build while the right is more of a dodgey ninja build. Why? The left can have many flopped games but all of the chud rhetoric collapses when one woke game does well while a chud game flopping does massive damage to their reputation. Why is this the case? Nowadays it seems like the right is mostly defined by their grievances with media while even succdems and the like are much more likely to include economic critique. While being openly cringe (Like Clavicular/Joe Rogan) is something that some chuds do, the vast majority of them can't survive a major blow to their "aura" or else they will lose subscriber. Just look at how shit Jordan Peterson and Andrew Tate is doing.
>>2813559So was she there at the bookfair or not?
>>2814855That's every non-western country sans china
>>2815343Peter Thiel knows about the antichrist 🎶
>>2814983>>2815024>>2815378but doooood hasan posted himself reading lenin!! hes le based!!!!
>>2815378>dedicated dog camHe's so shameless
>>2814969She's not fat. That makes her attractive by default
>>2814983based Hasan, dunking on the ultra scum
>>2814983>olive branch to liberalsNever do this
>>2815343People are supposed to like the antichrist.
>>2814983Hasan is correct, joining the Democrats is just how you participate in US elections, and anyone can indeed join them, it's a big tent party. No one is forcing you to vote for candidates that would violate your conscience
>>2815401ok baby killer
>>2815412>hasan is correct if your only aim is winning elections and not changing anything thats of importance to communistscool
>>2815392I think he's trying to co-opt the democratic party with a bigger push than bernie's attempt.
>>2815444>co-opt<helping them win with nothing to exchange for itlol?
>>2815437>winning elections and not changing anything thats of importance to communistsThink twice about what you wrote
>>2813833Bro needs to drop the anarchism. He is too good for them.
>>2815378>what the fuck is this retard even doing anymore lolacting according to his material interests, just like all of his treatlerite leftoid fans, they are pretty open about it actually
SMASH THAT MOTHERFUCKING LIKE BUTTON
>>2815378lowkey kinda pathetic to see him on the defensive over this, bernie is really forcing this guy into swallowing shit lol
>>2815020he never had a swastika, it was a totenkopf. it is plausible a cornfed retard from maine might think is a pirate skull and crossbones.
but why would anyone want to elect a retard?
>>2815614it's the least of the problems with him though. he volunteered four times in the USA military. is a liberal zionist. has direct connections to the IDF. wants to expand the USA military. views the PRC as a threat.
USAnians are willing to take all that shit in their assholes just for the faint whiff of the promise of some labor protections. this guy is going to be a senator. his shit will not be contained to maine.
>>2815451no, trying to get as much of as he can candidates that talk in favor of Palestine.
>>2815633nah mate he saw the "dems looking for the joe rogan of the left" headlines and hasan said "that's a job posting", and has been very obviously trying to insert himself into the inner workings of the dem party through the progressive wing, and that requires attaching himself to as many bernie-approved candidates as possible. in fact he's so ingrained now that third way no considers hasan to be some sort of common denominator.
>>2815378>what the fuck is this retard even doing anymore lolHasan Piker is earning his Bezos paycheck (millions of $ a year), his NYT profiles and his place in the milieu, of whoever took Epstein's place lel
>>2815618I hope this platner shit and the democrat party chilling backfires on Hasan really hard. If that doesn't make him change his opinion, at least i hope it makes left libtards see how much of a fraud he is.
>>2815614If he covered it up years ago it'd be less suspicious. If you go into a Croatian tattoo shop and ask for a skull and crossbones i imagine it all to be some variation of.
>>2815378Some part of me thinks that the ml-wing might actually be more complicit to the whims of the FBI/CIA than they might want to admit. Like I legitimately don't understand what pragmatic goal is being done in shitting on platnar fags.
>But they aren't pureYeah neither were you, we all know you said uyghur on 4chan, stop being so pretentious.
Before this cold war is over, Hasan will have done (totally radical) recrOOOtment collabs for the US army. But from the left.
Because that will be the "left" of the Democrat party at the time. You gotta go murder poor people if you want to be respected by the proles, you know? Not me though, I'll stay here enjoying my fortune and telling you fools that Desert Storm 2 is literallly the USano October revolution.
Or wahtever passes for leftism at that stage of the American psychosis.
>>2815635bru, he's getting a congressional condemnation for his statements.
joe rogan gets a pat on the head for believing in nothing.
>>2815588like and subscribe. share and comment.
>>2815657u know, that guy kinda looks that the silly archetype that can be used as the perfect disguise for undercover cia/fbi agents.
>>2815663I don't understand why nobody thinks that big porky legitimately believes that social democrats are the biggest threats to their livelyhoods. There is actually unironically no concessions left to give to the proles what with how much the rate of profit has been falling off. To the point that it's damn near 0%. Any sort of gibs would devastate them, a reformist is unironically more radical than a tankie at this point, because even after all this time tankies are still hated but bernie sanders alone for all of his fecklessness has done more damage to the empire than any other man in history. I mean this unironically, not to say that MLs aren't correct on their assessment of the character of social democrats, it is just that at this time, they are unironically the biggest threat to porky than any retarded faggot posting on one of those faggy ass subreddits or twitter or here. Sorry to say it MLfags but we're just not important enough to be a threat.
It seems people are always soying out, white knighting, treating as gospel certain e-individuals like Hasan, BE, the Deprogram, Haz al-Din, - any other number of streamers or wealthy e-personalities.
Likewise doing the same soying out or running defence for Green parties, SocDem parties, Liberal parties.
Really the ideology is irrelevant. I'm not targeting a particular individual or group. It covers everyone. There are people who worship all these e-celebs.
You know people spend all day just watching these people, being funneled into their own little news & politics as entertainment projects, being funneled towards accepting the status quo and shouting at their monitors.
They think a twitch sub, superchat or purchasing a Che Guevara t shirt is activism.
Same with being funneled towards "acceptable" centrist politics.
Do you ever see all this stuff - thousands in chat typing "so true! :pepe:" - then think to yourself, then feel like you're the last authentic communist alive on the entire planet?
We need an army of millions, preferably armed with cool giant mechs to fight in, all willing to die to see the goal of communism realised. Not people eating doritos and doomscrolling leftist youtube shorts.
Anyway that's my rant for the night.
>>2815672>bernie sanders alone has done more damage to the empire than any other man in historythat would be Trump actually
>>2815702A pretty good contender honestly
>>2815708>contenderno one comes close, and you are unironically delusional for thinking fucking bernie sanders has done any damage to the empire, you legit need to take anti-psychotics, not even trying to be mean here, get medicated ASAP
>>2815569this is a checkmate in my book, hasan has fumbled the bag and badempanada has cemented himself as the king of the left.
>>2815378>picJej. All Amerikkkans are imperialists and should never be trusted in any kind of way. They will always stab you in the back
Why does Hasan even think that Platner is an anti-imperialist when he loudly proclaims that he wants to rebuild the army and make it more efficient
>>2815657this is a reminder that on a daily basis I'm not high enough to function.
>>2815715Bernie Sanders functions as a funnel towards more leftward politics to the point where being anti-Israel is mainstream as fuck these days.
>>2815790Because he is a liberal who larps as a socialist to get more people to join his liberal genocidal party
>>2815800friendly reminder that this guy is pushing 30 dating a 19 year old
>>2815826if you can't see the issue with what houdini is doing that says a lot about you
>>2815833>>2815834>prohibits criticism of Zionism>has made anti-Zionism a "hate crime" punishable by expulsion from the university>has a 40% Jewish student body>school of the arts is owned by the Tisch family who are well-known Zionists>music school is owned by Clive Davis, a mega-Zionist and one of the most powerful men in the music industry who has ties to Epstein (Clive Davis Institute for Recorded Music)>sanctions pro-Palestine faculty members>has withheld diplomas from pro-Palestine student activists and has refused to allow pro-Palestine students to speak at graduation>has authorized the NYPD to mass-arrest pro-Palestine students during demonstrationsGiven all of this, is it any wonder that such a flag would be hoisted over this joke of a university during the graduation ceremony?
>>2815817>ACP has a lot of members<Nuh uh they don't, you dumbWhat a riveting battle for the soul of the working class in the free marketplace of ideas
>>2815837Are you implying that an adult woman having a relationship with an older man is necessary a statutory rape in itself?
>>2815817I get the gist of what BE was trying to say, the ACP is very present on social media and somewhat effective in its presentation, and they are very quick to connect with actors on the international stage, like with the new "Sovintern" which does have people like Evo Morales and the Sandanistas in it. This is spurred because of the connections Hinkle and Haz have made with various actors connected to the Russian government in some way - this gives them a look of officiality, combined with relentlessly pushing their politics in the online sphere, although based on vibes and aesthetics mostly, less based on substance (unless you consider Haz's gobbledygook on Substack as "theory").
Right now, I don't see another American organization having that momentum (although I doubt that this weird niche they are filling has the potential for a mass base), so in that sense they have proven their detractors wrong.
However, chapters with "thousands members" are biblical numbers and is an incredibly stupid thing to say. Tells you that BE has never organized and is just an insanely online autist (which is why this board likes him I guess).
>>2815853>I doubt that this weird niche they are filling has the potential for a mass baseMore than anything the hyperactive quest for international recognition substitutes for the lack of a mass base.
>this gives them a look of officiality, combined with relentlessly pushing their politics in the online sphere, although based on vibes and aesthetics mostly, less based on substance Right.
>the SandanistasPretty degraded. Like if it wasn't for their history, symbols, origins, and opposition to the U.S. then they would be considerde a fairly right-wing party in all but name at this point, and for awhile now. Ortega's co-president wife is a complete dingbat too and they wrecked their relations with pinkish Latin American governments in Colombia and Brazil. Then to make matters even more bleak the people who are desperate to get rid of him have come to see Trump as an ally. (Nicaragua is also weird because Ortega made a deal with the Evangelicals while the Catholics are more oppositional, which is the opposite of the usual Pink Tide situation.)
>>2815806>being anti-Israel is mainstream as fuck these daysNone of those people, NONE, ZERO, would accede to ending Zionism.
They are okay with a trendy topic because it has easily digestible culture war positions to adopt. If you told just about any western anti-zionist if they would trade the immediate end of the petrodollar and the immediate need to choose between revolution or sinking with the US imperialist project… few of them, would side with Palestinians. Very very very few. Almost no one. So no they are not "anti Israel". Fuck me, for all the "mainstream" that "disliking Israel" is, it doesn't even make a dent in electoral politics.
Let me remind you of this:
Nobody, no fucking body, is sanctioning or otherwise boycotting Israel in the west, and most of the world outside those getting actively attacked. Israel is being materially pampered by EVERYONE of relevance. The most "progressive" among their politicians just throw platitudes about hypothetically, marginally diminishing or reconfiguring how the NATO treats are delivered to Ziostan and the people lap it up, like good little goydogs getting petted.
>>2815818Age gap discourse is such a psyop I swear to god it came out of fucking nowhere. What is the working out of your beliefs? Do you want a second age of consent?
>>2815895"Disliking israel" in western consciouness has nothing to do with solidarity with palestine, but instead it's about sneering at the barbaroty and fakeness of their own proxies, similarly how they do it with eg Dubai
>>2814983do these people think politics is just sitting on your ass as you call everyone else a lib?
in the real world you'll have to talk to people…. WHO DISAGREE WITH YOU… yes… so scary.. even if you have your revolution you'll still have to negotiate with people with different views
leftists are genuine fucking morons
>>2815937yeah but echo chambers are ideologically comforting and present no challenges to my niche worldview
>>2815937Try to negotiate with a "vote blu no matter who" and see if you don't kys at the end of it.
>>2815806>the point where being anti-Israel is mainstream as fuck these days*laments in German*
It's political suicide here when you call Gaza a genocide.
>>2816001Yeah I am being kind of myopic when I say that. Sorry Krautbro
>>2815853is there some sort of estimate about the true membership count of the ACP? yeah I don't think they have thousands of member either, but I'm curious about how much they have grown, or if they have grown at all
>>2815663>bru, he's getting a congressional condemnation for his statements.these are growing pains, dumbass. like congressional condemnations do anything to begin with, it just means that the dem party establishment leadership is resisting the challenge. hasan puts on a sad face on stream but this is in fact very good for him, he gets to be in every headline and establish himself as a relevant politico.
>>2816133by moving the goalpost, I accept your surrender.
>>2815672>Sorry to say it MLfags but we're just not important enough to be a threat.what?
>>2815663>bru, he's getting a congressional condemnation for his statements.>joe rogan gets a pat on the head for believing in nothing.Actually both Hasan and Rogan got boosted by the same strategy.
It's called Negative Polarization.
It's basically what got Mamdani elected. And why leftoids are so easy to gaslight. Because it relies on pointing to the (more or less complicit) opposition and letting the delusional retard in the audience fabricate their own outrage fueled fanfiction, about what "their" guy stands for.
>>2816146Is porky more afraid of Mamdami or AoC or ACP? Why is that I never here kvetching about the latter in spite of them being much more anti-semitic? Hell fucking Nick Fuentes only scored 8th place on the AIPAC anti-semite rankings.
>>2816146>by moving the goalpostwhere did i move the goalpost, cretin?
>>2816156It doesn't mean that "polarization" is bad or wahtever.
Negative Polarization means forming a belief or an allegiance majorly based on the "judge me by my enemies" argument instead of the merits of the side one is taking. Which of course doesn't work very well, when both sides are the same liberal establishment. So you end up with a cavalcade of so called "radicals" whose credentials are just the animosity they receive within the political theater. And their actual skills are acting for an audience of culture-war poisoned retards and the superpower of money to buy PR agents.
It is just so funny that two public personalities so disparate as Rogan and Hasan are enshrined to sheepdog a generation, by the same strategy, by the same party.
>joe rogan who doesn't do harm to the establishment = hasan piker
>piker gets congressional condemnation
<N-NO! THAT'S NOTHINGBURGER!!!!
<WHERE DID I MOVE THE GOALPOST!
>>2816177oh so you think sticking to the point "hasan piker wants to become some sort of democratic party insider" and not entertaining a retarded tangent is "moving the goalpost", is that it?
If Hasan bad then why every MSM outler left, right or centre tries so hard to demonize and cancel him?
>>2816261The Boys has written themselves into a corner by giving Ohmlanduh the immortality juice and they've got no credible counters to him in the narrative, the finale is probably gonna be a load of ass pulling
>>2816263>The Boys has written themselves into a corner by giving Ohmlanduh the immortality juice and they've got no credible counters to him in the narrative, the finale is probably gonna be a load of ass pullingWont they cliffhanger it so you have to go and watch the next season of the one with the kids?
>>2816165it seems to me you haven't watched Piker. you are accusing him of something silly, without substance. he has outlined what he wants, and his contrarianism against porkies isn't for the sake or being contrarian.
>>2816277I think they canceled Gen V, which is a shame cuz the second season of that was actually pretty good. But no, this is supposed to be the series finale. I do find it funny that after all this buildup, Sister Sage's "master plan" effectively amounted to "get everyone to blow each other up so I can read books in my doomsday bunker in peace". Not even particularly mad about that being her motive, that's the exact kind of petty shit wealthy intelligent sociopaths would pull anyways
But I'm getting ahead of myself. I still consider this season to be better than season 4, not that that's a high bar to clear, but so far they haven't built up any meaningful way to combat Homelander and using the final episode to do so seems like rushed writing
>>2816263I quit the boys in s3 but I always thought homelander being near invincible was the idea and they'd have to deal with him by sending him to the sun or making him kill himself or something creative. The whole soldier boy being able to kill him plot point was kinda silly
>>2816300Gen V and season 4 built up the concept of a supe-killing virus which was presented as THE endgame weapon against Homelander. The very episode they confirm it works though, it gets destroyed and they have to rebuild it from scratch, only that becomes irrelevant now that Homelander has the V-1 and is actually immortal. The only real obstacle to Homelander winning outright is his own self destructive tendencies which are now in full force since he believes he's ascended to godhood and is now just openly slaughtering his supporters for having insufficient faith
>>2815850Why would Houdini, a guy who is nearly 30, be dating a 19 year old? What does a 30 year old man have in common with a 19 year old girl?
>>2816331When will he post a gofundme to buy her an engagement ring?
>>2816294> "get everyone to blow each other up so I can read books in my doomsday bunker in peaceVery leftypol coded character tbh
>>2816331>What does a 30 year old man have in common with a 19 year old girl?They could have common hobbies. Or not. Attraction do be like that sometimes.
Still didn't answer the question. Are relationships between adults statutory rape from the moment the two parties aren't the same age?
>>2816305wait so you're saying the kendrick drake feud was a zionist psy-op?
>>2816369the fact that degenerates like him are given a platform is the biggest problem with the modern world
we need to bring back shame
if you're a media personality or a politician and you're exposed as an evil freak you should be forced to drink hemlock or commit seppuku
>>2816367doesn't have to be illegal for it to be wrong
>>2816377How it's wrong exactly? It gives you bad vibes?
If it happens between say a 51 and a 62 year old, it's creepy in your book?
Or do you consider young women,
adult women don't have proper agency and should be kept away from anyone 3 years and four months older than them?
>>2816305turns out… they
was like us?????
>>2816386the brain is developing until 25, ergo Houdini has had a fully developed brain for literally half a decade, where as his 19 year old girlfriend is fresh out of high school and barely an adult
>>2816397>the brain is developing until 25meme answer. The production of new neurons in your brain slowing down at some point isn't what gives you agency.
>>2816369tankchads keep winning
Isn't Houdini's entire thing hagmaxxing?
>>2816229>If Hasan badI don't think anyone is saying that Hasan is bad, just that his "strategic" democratic party entryism just so happens to coincide with his own personal ambitions of being some sort of firebrand millennial and gen-z election whisperer. He is understandably shat up by MSM outlets for the same reason that AMLO had been shat up by, at the time, by mexican MSM outlets: the AMLO election was also an intra-burgeoisie conflict with winners and losers within the bourgeoisie clas
>>2816408He’s technically right that it’s almost like another stage of development. They call it emerging adulthood. I disagree it’s a cancellable offense on the scale of others but he’s not wrong. Houdini might also be a bit stuck in that stage himself considering emerging adulthood can almost go to 30. That would possibly explain the attraction beyond a purely physical level. It’s weird and says something about his maturity, I guess.
>>2816331>What does a 30 year old man have in common with a 19 year old girl?what if they just have the hots for each other, can't a gal fuck an older guy
>>2816452I think these arguments are weird because it leaves the door wide open for just having one night stands, like the only problematic thing for the 19 year old is being in a miserable relationship, well then, what if it's just a one night stand, do 19 year olds get to have enough agency to decide who to fuck or nah?
>>2816457no no no you don't get it, young adults should just be detained in monasteries until their brains are sclerosed, only then they'll have the proper tools to experience life with an independent judgment.
>>2816397>the brain is developing until 25And yet we allow 18-25 year olds to vote, join the military, gamble, and hold them accountable for committing crimes. Either we should raise the ages for all those things to 25 or just accept that people in that age group are adults who can make their own decisions.
>>2816473we could hold adults to a standard that prevents them from taking advantage of people in this age group
>they're allowed to gamble so I should be able to sleep with them!!come on
>>2816500we can assume that as communists we don't want anyone making a career out of drone striking people correct? we hold ourselves to higher standards, there's really no reason Houdini should be dating a 19 year old
>>2816422>tankchads keep winningUSSR status?
>>2816502So you do believe young adults can't be trusted to make their own choices, got it.
Then put your money where your mouth is and say it loud and clear: people are children until 25 and therefore shouldn't have a say when it come to their own lives, nor they should be held accountable for their actions.
>>2815853>the ACP is very present on social mediaKind of? They have a small handful of extremely dedicated autists who coordinate in a Discord server to shill themselves every time anyone mentions something ACP-adjacent online, one of which is that Ed Gentry guy. It's basically a volunteer spam farm. Take note of the faces you see popping up in ACP-related discussions and you'll very quickly notice a pattern. I'm not going to say that there's absolutely zero organic support for the ACP, it does exist, but if this specific group of people stopped systematically dickriding Haz at every turn, you probably wouldn't hear about them very much anymore, insofar as you hear about them currently.
The ACP's immediate goal seems to be publicity at all costs, but publicity doesn't automatically equate to popularity, and, more importantly, publicity online doesn't automatically equate to publicity IRL. Algorithmic social media platforms like Twitter, the site they target most of their propaganda efforts towards, are designed to siphon people off into their own little bubbles. It's a mass medium that, by design, does not show the mass of people the mass of content. The ACP is only, as Haz puts it, "unavoidable online" if you exist within the niche of a niche of a niche where people not only know they exist to begin with but care enough to engage with them. At best, they've managed to alert a handful of libertarians to their existence, which has only served to give them more enemies. More generally, despite Haz's best efforts, the only member of their party that has been able to break out of the microscopic world of online anti-imperialistas and ideologyball enthusiasts is Jackson Hinkle, and Hinkle's relative notability does not seem to have made its way back to the ACP proper in any meaningful way.
More importantly, their ideology is
>based on vibes and aesthetics mostly, less based on substance (unless you consider Haz's gobbledygook on Substack as "theory").They could be the most popular political party in the US, but their ideological foundation is so flimsy that it would, at best, be worthless in regards to actually achieving communism.
>>2816131The most consistent (and believable) metric I've heard provided by members of the party itself has been ~1000, although I really don't have anything else to go off of but their claims. Their blockchain cadre ledger said they had ~350 cadre, which in my mind is the number that really matters, but they've since taken it down "temporarily" and claim that it actually didn't work past 2025 or maybe 2024, which I don't believe but whatever.
It's worth noting that when their membership count gets brough up, especially but not exclusively in comparison to the DSA, they get highly defensive and start saying things like
>O-one member of the A-ACP is worth 1000 members of t-the DSA!Which to me, implies that their membership is significantly smaller than that of the DSA and they're trying to cope their way around it.
In general, the impression I get is that they got a big influx of members early on, owing to Haz and Hinkle's existing audiences, but kind of stalled out after that. Building up a cult audience is very different from building up a mass one, although if you're an internet person, I can see why you'd conflate the two.
>>2815826>>2815837>>2815850>>2816331>>2816367>>2816377>>2816386>>2816397>>2816408>>2816452>>2816457>>2816473>>2816496>>2816517Age gap is really what matters, not the specific age of any individual party. If I had my way, age of consent would begin at 14 with a 1 year age gap allowed, widening by a year every other year.
>>2816369>liberals get deplatformeddude, your ideology literally owns the media, what the fuck are you talking about
>>2816496Maybe, but I don't think just sleeping with somebody at that age or having a relationship with them is necessarily taking advantage of them. There's no reason why an age gap should prevent two people from treating each other with respect.
>>2816369Can someone ACK this uyghur already?
Crazy how much you guys obsess over no-name e-celebs.
>>2816545Good to see you're back. Your English is about as good as it was before. I find it incredibly interesting that you're so invested in the ACP, considering you do not in fact live in or anywhere near the US.
I'm not going to watch an hour long Haz stream without more information as to why I should be watching it. Get me right, I am willing to trudge through his stuff for research purposes, and have done so before. My knowledge of his ideology, insofar as a consistent Hazite ideology exists, is sourced not from his enemies, but from him directly. However, I'm not going to read or listen to him without a prior reason for doing so. I respect my time too much for that.
In terms of my supposed libel, almost all of what I said in
>>2816526 is sourced from publicly available information that I found on my own, and that you too can find on your own, with only two exceptions. The first is their blockchain ledger, which is technically down right now. However, it was publicly available at one time, and snapshots of it, which I have no reason to believe have been falsified, can still be found on archive.org. The second is the use of Haz's Discord server for organized shilling, which I only know of through screencaps posted here by others, since I'm unwilling to join said server in order to check for myself. However, there is an invite link to the server right there on Haz's website if you want to look into the matter yourself, and even without that, the behavior I'm describing is something that can be observed by tallying up who is leaving pro-ACP replies and with what frequency.
>>2816557Hey, we are in /ISG/, aren't we?
if it was Hasan and not Houdini dating a 19 year old you all would be attacking him
>>2816608I couldn't care less about consenting adults doing their thing, start living life you pathetic bug.
>>2816397>the brain is developing until 25, stupid urban legend but I guess your brain stopped developing when you reached 5
>>2816663Who cares. 19 is an adult, mind your business
>>2816663He's correct on that one, but he is a consistent e-beggar that apparently can't afford rent so it's a classic case of do as I say, not as I do
>>2816663are you employed uygha?
>>2816665I don't "care", but I can consider it creepy, if one of my friends was dating a 19 yo I would tell them off.
Why are you so invested in defending it?
>>2816667He's not, I would suggest doing neither what he does or says
>>2816668Never
>>2816670>Why are you so invested in defending it?Because all these 'rules' about what adults should do are asinine and only serve to make our already chronically lonely society worse
>>2816671If your only avenue for defeating chronic loneliness is to start dating people barely out of highschool it's already over. Just become a creepy sex tourist in thailand already jeez
>>2816667No he is not correct about that, it is an outdated patriarchal mindset. People like you say women's liberation is complete and now unecessary, and then turn around and say victorian shit.
>>2816675I don't care about your puritan moralist feelings and you should fuck off. Do what you want to do and I'll do what I want to do.
>>2816670>I don't "care", but I can consider it creepy, if one of my friends was dating a 19 yo I would tell them off. finally some sense
>>2816678lmfao calm down with the buzzword salad dude, there's nothing puritanical or moralist about thinking you're a creep or that your argument for defending creeps is a dumb cope. "nooooo you don't understand I have to date recent high school graduates because of our chronically lonely societyyyyy :((((" lol
>Do what you want to do and I'll do what I want to do.That's what we're all doing here? What's with the redundancy?
>>2816681why are you so mad?
>>2816681I just dunno why you have to get in other people's business and be like 'uhm that's little shuddersome sweaty'. Like get a hobby or something. It's not like I'm crying over your message but I am just telling you off for your bullshit.
>>2816686Im not mad at all, the other guy is the one telling me to fuck off and shit lol, I'm only bemused
>>2816687Uh Im just commenting on some shit I see people talk about on an imageboard. Why are you do upset about it? Who gives a fuck if Im "getting in other people's business"? What's with all the cope? You dating a 19y/o and feel bad about it or smt? I don't really see why else you'd be taking such a valiant stance against my very basic, uncontroversial statements
>>2816689interesting how you reduce the woman to a mere object without any agency
>>2816676I think ultimately both should provide in their own way, (I've mostly seen the woman always be the one providing and it's manipulative as fuck) and there is no context to why he says that.
>>2816693It's interesting how you move the goalpost.
I would say the exact same thing if the 19 yo was a guy or if it was a gay relationship or whatev. Nice cope tho! I'll accept your concession
>>2816697what would you tell the 19 yo tho
>>2816707That they're stupid and/or a weirdo for dating an old geezer, who's probably taking advantage of them. It's their life tho ad da end o' da day
>>2816713No not at all, they have agency and can make their own choices, to an extent, and I can criticize those choices. But the brunt of the responsibility lies with the more developed/experienced person of course
Are you done with your little fake argument now?
>>2816450>understandably shat up by MSM outlets for the same reason that AMLO had been shat up bythe problem is that amblo was a really good force of good.
they probably met at a goth club or something
>>2816526Are you that "Fido" guy on Twitter (@FyodorOnegin)?
>>2816765
Not really. Some amongst the DSA and left libs would've mourned Hasan but there wouldn't have been a huge effort by the State and MSM to turn him into some kind of MLK tier martyr figure like they did with Kirk.
>>2816763>>2816765>>2816768If there was an actual communist presence in America Hasan would have been assassinated years ago, instead this Nazi apologist is considered the intellectual vanguard for “the left”
>>2816785
Correct, which is why we must be honest and uncompromising in our goals of bringing about JDPON. The walled garden of civilization must be pruned of weeds and detritus which liberal democracy allows to fester and the survivors made to redeem themselves in hard labor to repair the damage they’ve done to the periphery over 5 centuries
>>2816800
White collar trust fund jobs are not “hard labor”. Spend 14 hours a day in a cobalt mine and then we’ll talk
>>2816800
Serving yuppies their oat milk macciato laté with cold foam isn't hard labor.
>>2816806
Oh you poor baby. Oh woe is you. You have to work eight FULL hours in a modern automated air conditioned factory where the most physical labor you do is occasionally lift heavy objects with cutting edge technology made possible by your country’s rape and exploitation of the periphery? How awful! Oh my Fauci, this is literally another holodomor! AOCIA please save us!
>>2816814
Okay? Am I supposed to be impressed? You’re still a pampered labor aristocrat from the imperial core who takes no issue with contributing to the empire in its war efforts every day
>>2816811
>never turned a wrench in their life
>>2816821Houdini magazine will become a pornomag very soon, can't say it's very surprising
>>2816832All "activism" that isn't a strictly disciplined proletarian revolutionary org eventually turns into a business because without revolutionary theory there can be no revolutionary practice
>>2816832>the guy who uncritically posts Nazi material side by side with Lenin is also a sexually perverse degenerate Hold on while I pretend to be shocked
>>2816837
Atleast turning wrenches accomplishes thing. Serving goyslop for burgers just furthers the imperial conquest
>>2816806
>I spend 8 hours a day in a steel factory
So you rake in like 40-50 000 dollars a year? Pretty nice dude
>>2816868
That's how they getcha man, the more you make the more you spend fr
imagine still being a houdiniseether in the middle of the big 2026
>>2816712And you think they've never been told that before? You're so original, I bet they would be so happy about you shaming them for their life choices, you're a saviour really.
>>2816868
Like what? Spend too much?
Do people really think that BRICS is anti-imperialist?
>>2816879Every time I do save for some genuine expense, mostly car maintenance, it wipes most if not all savings then I just go fuck it, might as well gamble and drink and have fun, there’s no future or good things coming for frugality anyway
>>2816881>mostly car maintenanceCar maintenance or repairs? 5qts of oil and an oil filter is 40 dollars max.
>>2816878>And you think they've never been told that before?Nah probably not, nor do I really care if they have been
>You're so originalWhy would I care about that? Do you only have opinions on things to be original?
>, I bet they would be so happy about you shaming them for their life choices, you're a savior really.It's just my opinion dude, it's their life, if they wanna make bad choices it's up to them. But I will have an opinion on it.
Why are you so upset about this? Still mad at the last guy who thwarted your grooming of an impressionable teenager or what?
>>2816884It’s either insurance or something breaking down like shocks, struts, some line in the engine, the exhaust, fuck cars, I want public transport but I’ll never have it
>>2816881I mean car repairs sound shitty for sure, but still that's no reason to blow the rest of your savings. I mean think about how many times that has happened now, that could add up to thousands that you would still have now otherwise. It's not as if having money in your bank makes it more likely for bad things to happen.
>>2816899In my experience it does
>>2816899I’d rather be broke in a chemical haze than sober and repressing and miserable
>>2816719I think american demsocs will face the same rut the 4T is facing right now and that's the material concessions AMLO and Sheinbaum granted are quickly being erased, either by inflation or by eroding them bit by bit to try and stimulate an economy slowing down to a halt.
>>2816726No, and I don't really know who that is beyond seeing him argue with ACP people in Twitter threads. I generally don't mention the ACP on my socials, and when I do, it's pretty much always in an indirect way. They get off on other people talking about them online, and I'm not going to be the one give them the pleasure. Leftypol is the only place where I'm willing to openly discuss them, partially because the anonymity greatly reduces potential for drama on my end, partially because Leftypol and the Hazites are already well aware of each other, and partially because this site is small enough and niche enough that I'm not meaningfully propagating the ACP by talking about them here. In any case, I'm probably not who you think I am.
I do think it's worth emphasizing that most everything I've said can be verified by observing the publicly visable online actions and statements of ACP members themselves. I got their estimated membership count, for instance, from tweets posted by noteworthy members of the party, including the one attached to
>>2816526. So regardless of whoever I may or may not be, the claims themselves still stand.
>>2816526the acp is weirdly active on discord servers for influencers too if you go on jimmy dore's server half the mods are ACP guys
>>2816691who remembers when there was solidarity with the christchurch shooter because that mosque was literally indoctrinating and training Daeshis and then paying for their trips to Syria and other nations in west asia?
>>2816763we were robbed by israel.
>>2815930>age gap discourse is such a psyop I swear to god it came out of fucking nowhere"people talking about patriarchy is an attack against me, a degenerate redditor, I am the protagonist of history and love /r/Jailbait"
>>2816369>until they've destroyed the spaceDestiny is a world-historic wrecker like every soy neoliberal Zionist, never allow them any access to your community!
<On February 23rd, 2014, or Day 11 of Twitch Plays Pokemon, Destiny became a subject of controversy as his community brigaded Twitch chat and managed to not only capture Zapdos with the recently acquired Masterball, but also release Pokemon in-game, some which were held dearly by the gameplay community. This day would be known as "Bloody Sunday." In response to Destiny's actions, Destiny has claimed that people attempted to hack his accounts, spam report his account to Twitch, online slander, and sent unsolicited DMs.>>2816691>people who attend this mosque want us all to be killed"us" She's not talking about the American people
god forbid two legal adults whom work under capitalism date each other
especially if you read the (now deleted) thread where he talks about her having a lot of money from onlyfans, she messaged him, she reads his magazine and we all know Houdini is a broke ass ebegger
So this chick is old enough to sell box but not old enough to date a socialist? hmm
>>2816905So buy a bottle of vodka and drink it, then move on, you don't need to gamble and spend shit loads at bars.
age gap discourse is a spectacle in and of itself. adults will do what they want regardless of what some chronically online loser who never got laid thinks.
>>2816455no if you're a young woman and are attracted to an older man you're wrong and acting on it would be anti-feminist, actually
>>2816888>It's just my opinion dude, it's their life, if they wanna make bad choices it's up to them. But I will have an opinion on it.Note how the anti age gappers don't actually care about the young person's opinions or wellbeing, just their own discomfort at their 'bad choices' and desire to judge them for it, they don't care if their hysteria makes that person's life worse as long as they get their kicks from their patronising, patriarchal bullshit.
mossad appointed our boy a gf
>>2817346>she messaged himLol why? Bro ain't even attractive and his zine is all style and no substance
>>2817389He's tall though. And he said he has a big dick. Isn't that all you need?
oh so a dirtbag leftist is actually a dirtbag and not a rich brooklynite? maybe that's why you all are so shocked
>>2817402Consider not viewing women through the lens of desire. Be dignified my brother.
>>2817403How else are you supposed to look at women?
>>2817376Notice how the groomer is still moving the goalpost, while addressing nothing that is actually being said.
>they don't care if their hysteria makes that person's life worse lmfao talk about hysterics. Bro really doesn't like to be judged for his and his discord kitten's "relationship"
>>2817389Same reason he likes her, because she's an impressionable teenager
looking forward to the DDLG content from Houdini
holy fuck lmao
>gets arrested
>goes to jail
>serious criminal charges
>comes back
>doubles down
>dates teenager
truly our Huey Newton this Houdini character
>>2817447What crimes did he get charged with?
if onlyfans is taking a 20% cut and the modeling agency another 40%, then its hard to argue that any sex worker really controls the means of production ergo they are workers, the amount of money made individually doesn't really matter. Bulk of sex workers make a more reasonable salary, many making what a regular worker makes
>>2817447He literally dindu nuffin. His only crime was getting groomed by a rw influencer on discord after shitposting on Instagram.
>>2817456made a joke about Kirk (pbuh) and then that blonde pants shitter lady stalked him for 3 months to build a case
>>2817458An OnlyFans subscription is a form of rent, both for the creator as well as for the consumer. No production is involved here.
>>2817462>No production is involved here.There is a digital product being created.
Rent is still a fee upon a definite product.
>>2817458>Bulk of sex workers make a more reasonable salary, many making what a regular worker makesThe "bulk" of sex workers are trafficked slaves who get a pittance.
>>2817471won't someone please think of the poor sex kulaks?
>>2817476All those selfish children who are raped by western sex tourists!
Why ought we give a care about them, eh..?
>>2817471trafficked =/= worker
different catagories, different type of exploitation, compressing the two helps neither, most trafficked job is housekeeper, not porn star
>>2817484>working doesn't make you a workersuch startling ignorance.
>>2817460>His only crime was getting groomed by a rw influencer on discord after shitposting on InstagramThe worst crime of all
>>2817480I meant the other guys
>>2817458This is the most retarded shit ive read
>>2817488pray tell, slaves did a lot of work but wouldn't be considered "workers" in the sense that wage slavery is a different mode of economic exploitation than chattel slavery
>>2817586So slaves arent workers, then?
>>2817590correct, they are slaves
>>2817624Okay, so prostitutes are sex slaves, then?
And should we care about sex slaves?
>>2817627Like slavery we abolish it.
Prostitution and its demeaning exploitation ofnthe female sex started with private property and will end with it
>>2817635So yes, prostitutes are sex slaves?
>>2817638Basically, housewives too.
>>2817401>arrogant and homoerotically evil commie steroid freak nemesis of AmericaDrop the commie part and that's all looksmaxxers today. I can see why it works.
>99% of people who have seen Rocky IVAll red scare era boomers.
>>2817401>filtered by ivan drago editsyou are terminally menshevik
>>2817644based engelspilled take anon
>>2817401I can see it working. Rocky tells the wagie one defeats cum-munism by sucking up poverty and getting pummeled for your betters. Remove the patriotism and you are watching bad ending Forrest Gump, with boxing.
>>2817401>Ivan Drago (the stupidest depiction of communism ever)communism emancipates humanity from the parasite of capital and allows productive forces to reach their full potential, ivan drago represents someone who is at peak performance and mogs fighters who are limited by an inferior mode of production, its a perfect depiction of communism, not stupid at all, and even if it was stupid, people have been using it to ratio rightards on xitter to death, which is good and funny, but obviously you dont like that because you are a (gay) nazi, as your flag informs us, so you dont want your rightist comrades to get ratio'd, you would rather have leftists posting "kamala is brat" so it was them getting ratio'd, not happening, you lost
>>2810469
advances in technology driving greater verisimilitude.
before the ps2 women looked like munted pixels and polygons, ps2 looked like plastic NURBS dolls, ps360 era carried the porcelain doll appearence into HD, psONE onwards you could have frames and shaders.
cinematic game design means that every game needs to be realistic and have super detailed facial animations, closeups, 4k textures, and the reality of industrial asset production means that a different person does the concept, modelling, texturing, rigging, and animation and probably never meet each other.
if you want every character to look like a masterpiece all the time you'd need a small team that carries every character through from concept to release. this is how shit was done in AAA productions from 2004->2012. but these games had fewer assets, less detail, and smaller scope.
in the present day this runs afoul of labor relations, scheduling, and the pace of releases. wagies must be alienated from their labor.
this is before we even get to redditors and /v/irgins being a pack of racist gooners. the xbox live era of gamer males is actually an aberration, the golden age that proceded it and present day indieshit were/are both significantly more diverse in terms of audience, subject matter, and genre than the dark ages of COD and QTEs.
you cunts never gave a shit about games, you were using them in lieu of a personality.
>>2817639I can't help feeling a bit sad for Ethan, just a tiny itty bitty bit. Like, he's malicious and a zio and deserves much worse than he's having. But at the same time, the guy is clearly not playing with a full deck. He's totally incapable of salvaging his career or life in a way that the more cynical actors would totally have the flexibility for.
I hope Ethan doesn't kill himself later down the road. Because as he is now, the repulsive zio goblin, he inspires no sympathy. But his death could bring a myth much greater than the man to be managed by actually competent zionist propagandists.
I am happy to inform you that the Destiny Revenge porn court case is not going well for him.
>>2817763>I hope Ethan doesn't kill himself later down the road. Because as he is now, the repulsive zio goblin, he inspires no sympathy. But his death could bring a myth much greater than the man to be managed by actually competent zionist propagandists.Wtf are you on about, nobody would care if this toad offed himself, get real.
>>2817763Dude's a multimillionaire, he could just retire and not engage with any of this shit if he wanted to. He likes it dude
>But his death could bring a myth much greater than the man to be managed by actually competent zionist propagandists.If they couldn't do it with Kirk, who was actually assassinated on broadcast, they're certainly not gonna be able to pull it off if this zio offs himself
Not that he even would in the first place, as he has no reason to
>>2817772legit brightens up my day to hear that
>>2817774nta I kinda understand what anon is saying. People are the product of their environment which makes you feel pity when someone is unable to redeem themselves because of how they were raised or who they hang out with.
>>2817639sending noah a huge wad of cash
>>2817763I think the opposite. I think that ethan being utterly repulsive is keeping a lot of slop addicted people focused on palestine and if he were to suck start hila's galil those people would decide the show is over and return to celeb gossip. he's never becoming a martyr because it's too late: he's an old bitter loser who has contradicted every value he claimed to have in his heyday.
the other thing is this is a bullshit lawsuit. I read the filing when the pdf was going around and the summary of damages is actually a joke. it's such a weak case I don't know if ethan's going to spiral when this shit gets thrown out with prejudice, or he deliberately had his lawyer write it stupid so it couldn't drag into multiple hearings and bankrupt him.
>>2817772https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/69650487/doe-v-bonnell/I read the filing and this woman is of age. didn't the bastard cop to having videos of underage girls on his computer in a call with a streamer that got recorded?
I could have sworn it came up he was grooming underage girls. did anything come of that?
>>2817941I like this man, his clear thinking, plain speaking, and provocative belligerence are refreshing. what do you do for me but make crappy posts I can't unread?
>>2817941Yeah this one is not going to age well
>>2817950Bourgeois art holds no power over men who will not be cowed by it, like Bad Empanada. Artists didnt eliminate hitler. Hitler WAS an artist. That is Bad Empanada's point.
>>2818037I find it very interesting that that's the conclusion you've come to, considering he outright said "art is completely worthless politically". It's a very direct statement with very little room for interpretation.
When you like someone, the natural tendency is to want to give them the benefit of the doubt, even when they don't really deserve it. It isn't quite the same as confirmation bias, but it occurs for similar reasons and has similar results. It can be hard, but it's in your own best interests to break out of this self-deception.
BE should read Left-Wing communism
>>2818104if you weren't illiterate you would know he is a rightist (socdem) not an "ultra"
>>2817093Kurt Vonnegut speech bubble.
>>2818164Oops I meant that for
>>2817941.
hasanites really think badempanada is some sort of leftcom bordigist just because he doesnt suck zionazi democrat dick lmao
>>2817639It really is just sad at this point. Not even the DGG cult and Asmonroach fans care about pedo_troll anymore, he thought he could whip them up in a frenzy again but none of them are talking about this at all.
>>2818163Didn't the Vietnam war with the good guys winning? What an odd thing to be a doomer about. Anyway, if art is so worthless, why do so many countries have so many rules regarding its production? If it didn't matter, nobody would think to censor it to begin with.
>>2818183The Vietnam war lasted 19 years and ended victoriously for the Vietnamese due to the perseverance of the Vietnamese people, their application of marxism leninism and the vital assistance of other socialist nations. Not because some fucking hippies in the US drew a poster or made a song or whatever
>>2817941Common badempanada w
>>2817941haha lotta fragile theater kids got worked up by that one
>>2817941this is mark fisher-pilled and you people only disagree with it because it's BE saying it. if this was hbomberguy waxing poetic about interpassivity and culture industry and society of the spectacle, you would be soyfacing at this cold-ass take. like look at the thread youre in lmfao
>>2817941No bro one more video essay about Antz with artistic costume design will create the Communist movement.
>>2818217the hidden communism of pixar
>>2818211But BE is a soytuber obsessed with spectacle too. The por calling the kettle black situation
>>2817941He is correct. Like Star Wars was about a Maoist revolution and nobody gave a fuck. Art is downstream.
>>2818221yeah well it's basically soytubers fighting against each other
>>2818223>Star Wars was about a Maoist revolutionWtfff
>>2818171wtf is BE doing? Is he educating people? Is he mobilizing the masses? What sort of real class struggle is he doing right now?
>>2818224Correct. BE is even cringier than most though ever
>>281822
He's beefing with Ethan Klein and random breadtubers. That's real political impact on society, you stupid treatlerite ultra!
>>2818226well, he is not currently trying to sheepdog people into democratic party entryism. i believe doing literally nothing is, in fact, better.
>No, MY favorite leftoid soytuber is actually based And important unlike YOURS!!
Do BEfags really?
>>2818183you have the reading comprehension of a 5 y/o
>>2818225what do you mean by wtf, this is common knowledge and has been admitted by Georgy himself.
NastyEnchilada is just Hasan but edgier and ugly.
>>2818234Yeah at least artists make good shit on occasion. What have soytubers and streamerfags given to the world? He's worse than an artist
>>2818171Lenin's book wasn't about Bordiga dog it was about Mr. Pancake
if BE is doing this dumb "art" discourse because he hates boots riley movies then it's absolutely based because his movies blow ass lol
>>2818240yeah but it slaps 🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙🤙
>>2818235BE is Hasan if Hasan didn't advocate for Democrats. Remember that they were in good terms until BE's autism and Hasan's bootlicking escalated.
>>2817941Dude's a dipshit but he's partially correct. Art isn't meaningless of course, that's like saying agitation and propaganda are meaningless, but mainstream art is in fact defanged and agitprop is only as useful as it results in action. I'll also add that artists are held as authority in political (and philosophical) matters when they're often petite bourgeois and disconnected from the average worker's living conditions.
>>2818211Regardless of who said it, it's a stupid fucking statement.
Notice how nobody's been able to refute the point that artistic censorship implies that art is, on some level, influential and important. Instead, it's been a bunch of "lol, I bet this heckin triggered the le cringe Twitter artists and breadtubers", as with
>>2818207 and
>>2818217.
Once you get your head out of the thick mire of social media retardationism, you'll realize that art is indeed important for shaping ideology. It's far from the
most important factor, don't get me wrong, but a child who grows up on a diet of Marvel movies, Fortnite, Mumblerap, and internet porn is most definitely going to be affected by it, in much the same way a child that grows up on McDonald's will not be of the same health as a child that eats their fruits and veggies.
>>2818246yes. regardless of peoples emotional attachment to it.
it do be slappin doe 😂😂😂😂😂😂 haha
>>2818240yeah it didnt stop pinochet
also art being useless is what makes it art
>>2818240this song is downstream from chilean protests. chileans, in fact, didn't protest because this song exists, the song wasn't instrumental to the chilean protests, as representative as the chant is. that's a backwards "cart before the horse logic" only a thespian child would come up with.
ok so this thread is just going to boil down to equivocating representative symbols for the real thing, well i guess this IS the internet spectacle general
>>2818252indeed, you could paint it in every single building on earth and we would still be living in capitalism
>>2816369why is this dude such a shill for israel? why is this dude such a shill for capitalism? he's basically a conservative with some liberal values, and that's why I stopped watching his content.
BE just said art doesnt really affect politics, not that art is le bad, why are retards crashing out so hard lol
>>2818244>Regardless of who said it, it's a stupid fucking statement.no it isn't, it in fact is evidence that ideology is not just some empire of ideas thing divorced from reality but actually practiced everyday. it doesn't matter how many movies about evil corporations are there in the world if it changes absolutely nothing about our reality, you really need to read the books stickied on top.
>>2818257the problem is posting BE here is bound to trigger anons and grab some (you)s every single time and that just encourages people to post him here more
>>2818256because he quite literally is a gusano
TIL most leftypolers unironically think anti-war folk songs are what made Vietnam win the war
>>2818251>downstreamDangerously undialectical attitude. Everything is at once upstream and downstream, influenced by and influencing. The song was indeed a product of the protests, but it also fueled them, making further protests in part a product of it.
>>2818259First he says
>It doesn't matter how many movies about evil corporations are there in the world if it changes absolutely nothing about our reality, but then he contradicts himself with
>you really need to read the books stickied on top.If watching a movie isn't going to change anything, why would reading a book do any better? And again, if art doesn't matter, why does a state like China feel compelled to censor it? For funsies?
>>2818266Retarded strawman. Nobody said it was decisive, it was only one factor among many, but it was a factor nonetheless, and to deny it is absurd.
>>2818269>it was only one factorit was a non-factor
>>2818269>If watching a movie isn't going to change anything, why would reading a book do any better? you would look less stupid in the internet spectacle general thread if you read a single book
Now that I think about it, it's not surprising that the online drama thread is full to the brim with theater kids who think life is like a Disney Movie and that fiction bends reality or some idealist bullshit along those lines.
by the degree you are grasping these empty symbols with what i can only describe as religious fervor, some of you would make for better christians than commies.
>>2818277that is not art.
>>2818268no, it doesnt, art is by definition non-utilitarian, a work of art or an "aesthetic object" doesnt have a defined purpose, it always remains "open", thats why chairs or spoons arent art
>>2818050>I find it very interesting that that's the conclusion you've come to, considering he outright said "art is completely worthless politically". It's a very direct statement with very little room for interpretation.I will be more cogent. This line is unsurprising to materialists. Art is completely politically worthless. Art didnt save nazi germany even though they spent trillions on fascist art and movies. Art is negative value. To ascribe value to art is to say men's lives are worth less than ai slop. There is no coincidence that Hitler himself was an artist. Bad Empanada is 100% correct here.
>When you like someone, the natural tendency is to want to give them the benefit of the doubt, even when they don't really deserve it. It isn't quite the same as confirmation bias, but it occurs for similar reasons and has similar results. It can be hard, but it's in your own best interests to break out of this self-deception.Incorrect. When a class likes or dislikes someone, they defend them to death or try to kill them. The proletarian cherish Bad Empanada, but the exploiters fear and attack him. The fascist proponent of the artist class grasps at straw, declaring "art dictates politics" solely because they hate Bad Empanada. They unable to grasp Bad Empanada Thought, to ponder and appreciate the lessons and misteps of Bad Empanada. BE derangement syndrome is natural false consciousness tendancy of the imperialist ignoramous, self-deception in accordance with material imperialist interests.
>>2818284ugh. BE
is right, but you make it very embarrassing to acknowledge that by giving him the verbal equivalent of the sloppiest toppy.
>Bad Empanada Thoughtkys
why do BEseethers always have the most hardcore melties?
>>2818304Because everything is heckin useless
honkoid status?
>>2818280Stalin would strongly,
strongly disagree with you. But I guess you, random internet retard, know better.
>>2818284If art is of no political value, why does censorship exist?
If art is of no political value, why does censorship exist?
If art is of no political value, why does censorship exist?
It's an extremely simple question that, for some reason, everyone ITT is terrified to answer.
>>2818304Who specifically are you talking to? Yourself? Anyway, it's fucking moronic, dare I say useless, to dismiss criticism of your internet dad as "melties".
>>2818317Disengage.
>>2818304Disengage.
Do you know what else is useless?
Ridiculous that you're having a discussion about art without regard for the reproduction of commodity fetishism
There is no neat bifurcation between art and society as art signifies little more than a circuit of commodity consumption and production. The relegation of art as irrelevant is to ignore its material basis in society without understanding that the term supercedes its own usage and embodies the class relations of its context as well as this function in the socialisation of proles into bourgeois culture
"Art" is as necessary as food or munitions
>>2818328>>2818332You don't get it bro, art is useless cuz my favourite youtuber said so.
my favorite breadtuber, andrew breitbart, says that politics is downstream from culture, you CHUD
>>2818284>Art is completely politically worthlesscorrect
>Art is negative value. why? just because its politically impotent? politics is just one part of human existence, and if revolution happens and global communism is established politics wont exist anymore
>To ascribe value to art is to say men's lives are worth less than ai slop.some men's lives are indeed worth less than ai slop
>>2818328>If art was worthless, if propaganda was a negative valuepropaganda isnt art
>>2818304BEglazers are the new infracels/hazites
>>2818344You're absolutely right, the exact same retard third worldist politics too
>>2818304because they are liberals.
>>2818340>propaganda isnt artIn what way is it not? The social value of art exists in its ability communicate ideas and induce emotional states, making it an ideal substrate for propaganda. It's why the Soviet Union took the approach to art that it did, why they pushed for art with socialist themes and why they fought, at every turn, the formalist attitudes espoused by the likes of
>>2818280 >>2818353As if BE isn't? The dude is a self-loathing whitoid who goes around taking up whatever cause is willing to rape him the hardest.
>>2818300nah, his cuba videos were pretty good. I showed them to some normies and they actually clocked that communist countries were just normal countries with normal people (just better educated). I like that he's doing gonzo journalism and talking to the man on the street rather than joining a press junket.
he's no john pilger but he made some contacts and tickets are cheap. it'd be nice if he kept visiting and recapping the politics.
I'm not going to pretend it wouldn't be better if he did it in drag and had some costume changes, maybe likened some things to pixar movies.
>>2818332wouldn't that be saying that art under this current mode of production is value negative, provided "value" is strictly meant to quantify how useful art is as a vehicle for agitprop? because you aren't seeing the transformative effects of art in the base, in fact, we're seeing art reinforce current material relationships. sure this would mean that BE would be wrong about art produced in the soviet union, but that's a relatively specific exception, and the people involved in the conversation are treating shit like boots riley and pixar films as basically tantamount to agitprop already, which seems at odds with reality to me.
>>2818370Dude that is art, therefore useless
>>2817410they don't want to talk about how their own guy is grooming someone
>>2818338underrated. the economic base creates the political and cultural superstructure, it's never the other way around. never.
>>2818317This is very simple. Art has no political value. All men have political value. Art does not exist, men exist. Art is not censored, men who make art are censored. You promote hitlerian artist class false consciousness. This is nothing to get emotional over unless you are hitlerian artist.
>>2818340Art is negative value because it is deduction from socially aggregate product. This is scientific socialism. Ascribing any value to worthless AI generated slop is to say all men are worth nothing.
>>2818374>value negativeThis is a nonsense term that you've created from your imagination to explain the hypothetical existence of art as something other than a commodity
This entire discussion serves no purpose other than to confuse people in order to lead them down a particular line of discussion suitable to this idiot's (BE)'s ends
>>2818372>>2818374>in fact, we're seeing art reinforce material relationship as it isThat still doesn't equate to worthless. What you're saying is paramount to seeing that violence is being used by the bourgeois to enforce the current social order, and concluding that violence is useless. No, if anything, its usefulness to the bourgeois is proof of its usefulness generally.
>and the people involved in the conversation are discussing shit like boots riley and pixar films as basically agitpropNone of us have. You psychos have this bizzare obsession with breadtube faggots and keep seeing them in places that don't exist. Nobody but you and the people you spend your every waking hour malding over even knows what Boots Riley is.
>>2818389Two questions. First, if art does not exist, then how do men make it? Second, if art is of negative value, why did the Soviet Union invest heavily in and have strong opinions on it?
>>2818380it is objectively useless.
neither hasan nor BE ended the energy crisis in cuba, it was beijing and ankara building solar arrays, batteries, and floating a power plant on a barge over there that did it.
>>2818391Untrue. Read Marx.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1863/theories-surplus-value/ch04.htm>The great mass of so-called “higher grade” workers—such as state officials, military people, artists, doctors, priests, judges, lawyers, etc.—some of whom are not only not productive but in essence destructive, but who know how to appropriate to themselves a very great part of the “material” wealth partly through the sale of their “immaterial” commodities and partly by forcibly imposing the latter on other people—found it not at all pleasant to be relegated economically to the same class as clowns and menial servants and to appear merely as people partaking in the consumption, parasites on the actual producers (or rather agents of production). This was a peculiar profanation precisely of those functions which had hitherto been surrounded with a halo and had enjoyed superstitious veneration. Political economy in its classical period, like the bourgeoisie itself in its parvenu period, adopted a severely critical attitude to the machinery of the State, etc. At a later stage it realised and—as was shown too in practice—learnt from experience that the necessity for the inherited social combination of all these classes, which in part were totally unproductive, arose from its own organisation. >>2818415great post. looking forward to applying this to the sonic inflation art industry.
ha$an says maureen gallindo is hecking antisemitic
when did he become such a slut for israel?
>>2818422she is. she's said some schizo shit about jews in hollywood and 'the synagogue of satan'. where he and his clique fucked up was in condemning the comment she made against zionists and pedophiles where she made zero mention of jews.
>>2818415Please respond to
>>2818399 >>2818422I get not liking Hasan and AOC but this bitch is fed posting on main.
>>2818399>That still doesn't equate to worthless.As a vehicle for agitprop?
>None of us haveYes, I'm deliberately reducing the conversation for western movies, I said that I was doing it. if you don't like it then don't argue anything, it would be a waste of time to argue categorically in a way that is fundamentally removed from the current moment.
>>2818399>You psychos have this bizzare obsession with breadtube faggots and keep seeing them in places that don't exist.Also this is deranged, as if western art performing anti-capitalism wasn't widely understood as a feature of capitalism already by most philosophers indulging in ideology, you guys are way out of line because bad empanada makes you extremely angry, and you need to take a breather.
>>2818436>As a vehicle for agitprop?Yes. Most any tool that can be used by the bourgeois can be used by the proletariat. That's like Marxism 101.
>Yes, I'm deliberately reducing the conversation for western moviesWhy? But also, the point still stands.
>>2818441>Why?Like I said, it would be divorced from the current moment where movies are obviously not transforming the base, as I said already, which would imply that art is reinforcing conditions from the superstructure, no matter how anti-capitalist they present themselves as. It doesn't matter if it's Wall-E or the new superman movie, over-consumption and genocide are unchanged facts despite their existence and wide recognition.
>>2818433>but this bitch is fed posting on mainbased, houdini style
>>2818440>as if western art performing anti-capitalism wasn't widely understood as a feature of capitalism already by most philosophers indulging in ideologyWho are these supposed "philosophers indulging in ideology"?
>you guys are way out of line because bad empanada makes you extremely angry,He annoys me, but he does not make me angry. What does anger me is that a man as obviously stupid has an audience, even if it is a small one, and that said audience consists of people stupider than him.
Of course, the overall sentiment you're trying to express is that I've automatically "lost" because I felt a negative emotion towards something that doesn't bother you. It's an absolutely moronic thing to think, but it's also unfortunately common enough that I'm not exactly surprised to see it.
>>2818442That's like asking why over-consumption and genocide still exist despite people watching Hasan Piker, reading Noam Chomsky, and listening to John Lennon. If you think that Wall-E represents anti-capitalist politics in any meaningful way, I genuinely don't know what to tell you.
>>2818457>Who are these supposed "philosophers indulging in ideology"?Simon Penny? Mona Sarkis? Robert Pfaller? And yes, eventually recuperated by Mark Fisher and Zizek? It's not particularly controversial!
> That's like asking why over-consumption and genocide still exist despite people watching Hasan Piker, reading Noam ChomskyIt is a valid question, I know you're trying to reduce it to some sort of absurd, but those are, indeed, ostensibly anti-capitalist figures! Why are the excess of capitalism still so ever-present if anti-capitalist figures are not only present, but mainstream!
>>2818458 (me)
It seems you're willing to recognize that indeed, anti-capitalism is something that CAN be performed without it transforming the base, but you're just not willing to extend it beyond Hasan Piker or whatever, why?
>>2818463 (me)
Maybe you can counter with a western movie that is in your opinion actually valuable as an ideological vehicle for communism, and has demonstrable impact to advance its cause? Like what sort of pedagogical masterpiece is everyone missing here
>>2818458>>2818463It's because, in truth, they don't actually offer any meaningful opposition to capitalism besides, at most, complaints that it isn't being done in a better, more equitable way. They're pretty much universally advocating for Franklin Roosevelt, not Vladimir Lenin.
Going back to Wall-E, it addresses problems caused by capitalism, but does so from a very individualistic, moralistic lens, where the problem is not our underlying economic system, but instead greed, sloth, and gluttony. Remember, the movie ends with everyone going back down to earth and arbitrarily deciding "okay, we're going to stop being so lazy and take better care of the environment now!", which somehow makes everything better.
>>2818469The problem is that Western cinema generally is controlled by the bourgeois. If something has a genuinely radical message, it's not going to receive the funding or marketing it needs to reach a mass audience. You're asking for something that isn't allowed to exist.
>>2818422>ha$an says maureen gallindo is hecking antisemiticlol that lady is obviously more than a bit incoherent and it's unlikely hasan, who deems himself a serious politico, would support her, despite the fact that he doesn't risk anything in particular because he is not a serious politico, he's a twitch streamer.
>>2818422She's too much of a schizo to support.
Only salvageable part of her rhetoric is that supporting Israel over your own country's interests is treasonous.
>>2818486pretty much my take on her too
>>2818486>She's too much of a schizo to support.schizo bad but psychos like Platner (glows) are good enough for Haᛋᛋan (millionare)
>>2818485>he's a twitch streamer.and a DNC agent
>>2818497platner is at least a socdem making socdem points
>platner is at least a socdem
everytime you read the word "socdem" translate it in your head into "neoliberal" if you want to stop being cattle
>>2818481>Going back to Wall-E, it addresses problems caused by capitalism, but does so from a very individualistic, moralistic lensOk let's extend the movie catalogue a bit further, what about critically acclaimed documentary The Voice of Hind Rajab? It offers a much more succinct prescription, ending the genocide. Despite massive critical acclaim, the genocide is still present and shows no signs of stopping from the western world, it has sparked no protests in the west, in fact, it has achieved nothing, despite winning mainstream awards, why is this?
>The problem is that Western cinema generally is controlled by the bourgeois.But that would sort of affirm that you can't produce art under the current mode of production that also doubles as an effective vehicle for agitprop, yes? I know we're somewhat in agreement at this point and we're hashing out practically details, but when I look at the replies against Bad Empanada, nobody is jumping to the fray presenting Yo Soy Cuba as a counter-example, which I would still suspect that it would be co-opted anyway under capitalism as interpassive entertainment, because Cuba IS being starved
>>2818500it doesn't really matter either way, that he is a socdem is obvious, but ultimately irrelevant
>>2818412>it is objectively useless.Then why does art exists?
>>2818507 (me)
What about this? Was this a useful vehicle to change foreign policy? What about Michael Moore's Farenheit 911, was that an effective vehicle to end the Iraq War? Was the prescription of ending the iran war framed as "individualistic" here, or what do you think failed during the anti-bush, anti-iraq war era? what is your diagnosis here, what do you think was misunderstood about the message, what was not captured that would've made anti iraq-war art actually effective to alter foreign policy
>>2818556why does any entertainment exist, really. why do theme parks exist. why do sex shops exist.
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