>>2269035the silver lining is that it's so fucking funny (not haha funny)
>>2269037>peak american fantasy>fascist colonial war>racial stereotypes>lucrative merchandising>wholly owned by a multinational conglomerate>still being reheated with multiple lame fanfics getting theatrical releases every yearstar wars made me hate usa
>>2269057Dunno if the western LGBT movement is like inherently tied to the middle class but it did grow in its own set of historical and material circumstances; the stonewall riots, secularization, the enlightenment, opposition to Christianity etc.
Of course there exists homosexual and queer people in China, but their particular struggle has different material conditions and necessitates different strategies than those of the West. Hopefully the CPC takes a note from Cuba and eases the restrictions on non-heteronormative people and families.
>>2267478>>2267481You want to abolish sex work because it involves sex.
I want to abolish sex work because it involves work.
We are not the same.
>>2269085>Hopefully the CPC takes a note from Cuba and eases the restrictions on non-heteronormative people and families.What restrictions? China doesn't have any state discrimination towards the LGBT, it just also doesn't have any protections for them. But just because those protections were a necessary thing within American society, that isn't the same for China. There aren't mass hate crimes against trans people in China. There isn't an epidemic of trans people forced into sex work in China. Families aren't honor killing their children for being gay in China. Lesbians aren't being raped by their relatives to force them to be straight in China.
The western LGBT movement came about as a reaction to the extreme levels of oppression LGBT people were facing in the West. That simply isn't the case in China. There is very little if any support for "Pride" in China because Pride is meant to be for the oppressed to express themselves openly. They aren't oppressed in China, so there's no demand for counter-programming movements. You can simply wear rainbows and bondage gear during any day of the week and no one will care.
Funny thing is LGBT people DO face a lot of oppression in South Korea and Taiwan, because guess what Christianity is really big in those countries. And that created the conditions for Pride to gain popularity there as a counter to Christian puritanism. The West is trying to sell Asia the solution to problems it created as a means of subverting their original culture.
>>2269057people would do well to remember that the libtards spouting
>third world = homophobicare all on an obama hangover when the us state department was using liberal values to justify drone strikes and murderous occupation throughout west asia. cuba had its pink revolution and never looked back, I'm not an expert on China but I see gay shit on billibilli when I go there. homophobia isn't a buddhist principle, the homophobic stereotype in Chinese media is an overbearing mother demanding grandkids, in the west we have neonazi mobs showing up to queer friendly family days at the library.
mote and fucking beam guys. best thing we can do for gay people in developing nations is develop their nations and set equitable global norms through education and international partnership.
>>2269085they should yeah, i need to make that very clear
>>2269069>China's middle class is at this point stronger than America's.yes but not in a political sense, the conditions are simply different and it will emerge as a political movement once the CPC eases their pressure
>>2269101bit of a digression but yonks back I heard jackie chan still had a career in china so I copped his latest chinese domestic film (Bleeding Steel) and it was this slightly melted action flick where one of the main characters was a ladyboy/crossdresser played by a taiwanese pop star. the bad guy was an evil british guy hammed up by an aussie. the special effects were leaning towards so bad its good, and it couldn't seem to decide whether it was a comedy or not.
while trying to figure out the title I found out that the crossdressing popstar got cancelled after a messy breakup with his celeb wife and is now doing the drag/crossdressing thing full time, apparently more popular than ever. I don't think they even had to have a tearful interview answering invasive questions about their sexuality.
https://www.scmp.com/news/people-culture/china-personalities/article/3280496/taiwan-actor-show-lo-revives-lady-alter-ego-after-years-bad-press-says-shes-more-popularwe can only hope that one day asia will stop being so homophobic and have a mass cultural crashout everytime a queer celeb makes the news.
>>2269209>he's not disputing hasan got held up by customs>he's not disputing the content of the interview>he's not disputing people getting yoinked to camps in el salvador>gotcha is only how long things took>gotcha is easily explained by stress and subjective chronoceptionwhat is the point of making weird infographics like this?
>>2269214it would take less than 30s to find out he's a zionazi working with destiny and h3 to pressure twitch.
>>2269283> it's a bold strategy cotton, let's see how it pays off for emhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Man_for_All_Seasons_(play) >>2269220>I don't think they even had to have a tearful interview answering invasive questions about their sexuality.There are a bunch of gay Chinese celebs who are in glass closets. Zhou Shen is huge there and it's like… c'mon. There's no real question there. The conceptions there are a bit different though. The idea that homosexuality is "immoral" comes from Abrahamic religion and that doesn't really come up, or so I've read. Rather, the biggest problem is within families where traditional filial piety and producing heirs to the family is really important.
We do a kind of thing where women or LGBT people will have their own thing and that's sold as a victory and celebrated, but it can also be a kind of ghetto. A certain group has their own movies, festivals, and workshops! (Yay!) It's like saying "support women and other minorities." Women are a minority? Well anyways, there are positives and negatives to different approaches. China is also evolving as a society like everybody else.
>>2268587>>2268603>>2268966>>2269035>>2269333>>2269357can we spare a moment to talk about the very real victims of white genocide in south africa?
and by real victims I mean the chapo boys, who cut the tape on their grok/ai episode mere days before this new, hilarious, and completely deliberate fuck up.
>>2263833Probably because he's an African leader who's not in service to colonialism, is fighting corruption, is alleviating people out of poverty, establishing land reform, nationalising the industry and is arguably doing a better job at industrialising, nationalising and fighting terrorism better than any European force that's "helping."
Also the fact that the US has it out for him and is trying to manufacture consent against him has people talking.
That being said, is anyone finding it odd that they're solely focusing on Ibrahim as opposed to the other leaders of the AES?
>>2269566Nah the US has been pulling some bullshit too.
https://iloveafrica.com/u-s-general-accuses-traore/>>2269566https://burkina-faso.news-pravda.com/en/burkina-faso/2025/04/28/1845.html
>On April 24, the Government of Burkina Faso granted the Russian company Nordgold a license to develop the Niu gold mine. According to forecasts, the deposit will produce about 20.22 tons of gold within eight years of operation. This doesn't mean that the Gold is entirely owned by Russia.
Secondly,
>https://www.reuters.com/world/africa/burkina-faso-nationalise-more-industrial-mines-prime-minister-says-2025-04-29/
<April 29 (Reuters) - Burkina Faso plans to take control of more foreign-owned industrial mines, its prime minister said, as the West African nation seeks a bigger share of revenue from its resources. Like neighbours Mali and Niger, Burkina Faso is pushing for greater control over its resources and revised its mining code last year, creating a new state mining company, Société de Participation Minière du Burkina (SOPAMIB).
<It used SOPAMIB to gain control of two industrial gold mines previously owned by a London-listed Endeavour Mining (EDV.L), in a deal finalised late last year.Prime Minister Jean Emmanuel Ouédraogo said in a speech broadcast on national television late on Monday that the government planned to further expand control over its resources.
>"SOPAMIB has already recovered two industrial mines, notably Boungou and Wahgnion, and this will continue," he said.
<The mining sector reforms have worried investors. But Burkina Faso's military-led government says change is needed to maximize revenue from the country's vast gold reserves and reboot an economy hit by insecurity.…
<The new mining code prioritises national expertise and local suppliers, part of what the government calls a revolution in how its mineral wealth is managed.Burkina Faso's relations with traditional Western allies have deteriorated since the military seized power in two coups in 2022, and it has pivoted toward Russia for security and economic cooperation.
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<Ouédraogo said existing state-controlled mining initiatives have been successful, with the National Precious Substances Company collecting over eight tons of gold in 2024 and more than 11 tons in the first quarter of this year, primarily from artisanal sources. The government is also establishing a national gold reserve for the first time in its history, he added.Furthermore, Ibrahim has been engaged in enacting policies relating to Food Security and sufficiency
https://sahellibertynews.com/2025/03/18/burkina-faso-the-country-on-the-road-to-food-self-sufficiency-thanks-to-president-ibrahim-traores-agro-pastoral-and-fisheries-offensive/What is this if not nationalisation?
>>2269209One of the worst things about Hasan is that he's too much of a moralfag to goad his fans into gangstalking this cunt and everyone who surrounds him into killing himself.
Especially with someone like them, with so, so, so much fucking skeletons in their closet.
>>2269703>Why are so called left wing streamers doing trumps propagandaBecause they follow the money. NATO bourg has given the order to their more direct "on the take" outlets. Including "progressive" and "independent" limited hangouts like dropsite and other blogs. And suddenly the media landscape, as it happens every single time, means financial gain is found in tailing the hegemonic propaganda. Whether to decry or endorse it, everyone must talk in the terms that the new wave of propaganda offers in order to maximize engagement, SEO and giving their audience the sense that they got the finger on the pulse of things.
If you do this for money at all, you can't just "skip" propaganda waves. Or debunk them in terms that do not conform to the mainstream.
I earnestly recommend you follow dedicated people like them, to get an idea of depraved not just the media is, but the fringes as well. The alt-media specially, are shameless in how they cover this shit.
And I am consistently impressed by TheGrayzone boys of all places. Aaron Mate and Max Blumenthal keeping to the right side of things despite the money pointing to the contrary.https://xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/1922704884601614785#m☀️👀
@zei_squirrel
17h
everything being done by the Trump admin now to push the "turn on Israel/Netanyahu" line is pure misdirection aimed at re-establishing the element of surprise ahead of the imminent attack on Iran, which requires both a sustained air bombardment and a ground operation at the nuclear sites.
For the attack to have at least some chance of success, it is essential for the element of surprise to be re-established. The fake "negotiations" in Oman with the Iranians, the demotion of Watlz, the whining about "neo-cons" like in the Saudi Arabia speech, the fake "defeat" against the Houthis and all the fake "leaks" about how Trump is really very angry and feels betrayed by Netanyahu, are all intentionally designed to create a feeling of passivity among the Iranians and the belief that the attack may not actually happen.
Netanyahu's trips to DC was where they decided to adopt this strategy, and then immediately thereafter it was launched and the "Trump turn on Israel" propaganda began in full swing. The entire media class is of course playing along with it, with their "anonymous sources" giving them "leaks" that establish and launder the narrative.
Trump's trip to Saudi Arabia and the Gulf puppet regime is aimed at shoring up support among the US-NATO-Israeli empire's "Arab shield", and consolidate the inclusion of Syria's Erdogan-Jolani fascist puppets into it ahead of the attack.
As they have been desperately trying to re-establish the element of surprise with bullshit meaningless rhetoric, these are the actual material things that are being done to set up the preparations for the attack.
Trump's Zionist enforces have been heavily involved in Lebanon, demanding they do more and more to destroy Hezbollah and prevent its ability from being a deterrent against an attack. Again, Syria plays a crucial role in this, which is why they have now formally integrated it into the US-NATO-Israeli empire. This is not only to eliminate the land corridor between Iran and Hezbollah, but also to have the ISIS-fascist proxies serve as an attack force against them in the case they get involved, with an invasion of Lebanon from the East being threatened.
Similar moves are being made in Iraq, with Trump's Zionist enforcers demanding the state crack down on paramilitary forces that are not beholden to the US-NATO-Israeli empire but instead aligned with the Axis of Resistance.
What about the Houthis? The Trump Zionist regime realized that the bombing campaign by itself would not be sufficient to destroy them, and they needed to make preparations for a ground invasion with the aid of its Gulf proxies, the UAE and Saudis chief among them. To help establish the misdirection narrative of the "Trump turn on Netanyahu", they decided to come out with the fake leaks about how what was always intended to be a temporary withdrawal was actually part of the "distancing" between the US and Israel.
They will re-launch that campaign with the ground invasion in concert with the attack on Iran, or perhaps even earlier.
The Trump regime already made the decision before it came into office that the "Axis of Resistance", meaning the only material force in the region that withstands genocidal Zionist Israeli and broader US-NATO imperial hegemony, has to be destroyed by military means and that now is the perfect time to do it because, so the propaganda line goes, Hezbollah and Hamas have both been defeated and so are no longer deterrents, and Iran has shown itself to be a paper tiger that talks a tough game with red lines and operation true promises, but then never follows through so is fundamentally risk-avert and unwilling to retaliate with the required force which it certainly possesses.
This btw is another propaganda line they keep repeating, which is totally deranged and pure Mossad-CIA propaganda: The claim that Israel actually managed to destroy most if not all of Iran's air defenses and rocket building capacities in its pathetic irrelevant attack that in reality had zero effect on anything.
Yet if you read the NYT (Ronen Bergman the Mossad asset), BBC, Washington Post, CNN, AP, Reuters, Guardian, it is now accepted truth that Israel has already destroyed Israel's defenses, and so any attack on Iran will be easy, involves very little risk, and they'll be too weak to respond.
This btw is how the CIA-Mossad approached Trump with their war plan and got him to accept it.
This is of course the irony: To successfully establish deterrence, you have to show that you are willing to go to war. If you instead impose red lines and they keep being broken and you don't even follow through with what you said were the appropriate responses even below the level of an all-out war, like the bombing of Tel Aviv in exchange for the bombing of Beirut, then you have lost all deterrent value. You have convinced the other side that you are weak.
Iran's fundamental mistake was that they kept seeing their red lines being violated, and then they didn't follow through on what they themselves had said would be the response. The same with Hezbollah.
This is why Israel was emboldened enough to assassinate Nasrallah. They have admitted that they delayed it for a very long time because they were afraid of Hezbollah and Iran's response. Then they did the assassinations of Haniyeh, Fuad Shukr, and there was nothing. They did nothing. They just whined. They just posted videos of drone footage over Israeli military bases. And now Nasrallah is gone and they are tightening the noose around Lebanon and proceeding with its full integration into the US-NATO-Israeli empire.
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@zei_squirrel
17h
take note that the entire Western media and political class, including all the pseudo-radicals, the "experts", the epic based "Israel critics", the Intercept and Drop Site writers, the Murtazas who btw is sincerely the dumbest motherfucker alive, are all going along with the "Trump turn on Israel" propaganda. They're either doing it because they're just as in the aforementioned case plainly stupid and always follow the herd (more on that here: xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/19…), they believe whatever is published in the NYT and Washington Post and Guardian and always follow the State Department line as filtered through the liberal media class, or because they're intentionally part of the misdirection propaganda campaign, as is the case with Mossad asset Ronen Bergman at the New York Times (more on him here: xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/17…).
These are the same people who went along with the "Trump turned on Netanyahu and got a real ceasefire!" bullshit in January. And of course when it predictably turned out to have been a misdirection ploy to get the "civilian" prisoners out and also try to identify the locations of the resistance through that process (both from debriefing the prisoners and the drones constantly hovering above), and they immediately went back to the genocide exactly as I said they would all along: xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/18…
Now of course there are zero consequence for media class hacks when they go along with propaganda like this and they are all proven wrong because that's their function. They don't even admit they were wrong, they just pretend like their current participation in manufacturing consent is actually based on real deep insights and expertise and knowledge.
It's based on nothing other than being fucking hacks.
You'll see when the US launches its war all these people will again face zero consequences for having participated in the misdirection campaign, and start pontificating about the real meaning and significance of it as if they had known it would happen all along.
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@zei_squirrel
16h
see also this recent thread where I made the same point: xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/19…. Now what if my seeing through this blatantly obvious, just hilariously transparant bullshit fake "leaked" stories of "OMG LOOK AT US, WE ARE SO ANGRY AT NETANYAHU, OMG LOOK AT THIS EPIC LEAKED STORY IN WAPO AND WSJ AND NYT ABOUT HOW ANGRY WE REALLY ARE!" was actually incorrect and there is a real "Trump turn on Israel/Netanyahu"?
Well first of all, the standard for determining that is not the countless bullshit fake "leaks" you will see coming out in the next period that are nothing but empty words, rhetoric, meaningless whining, the purpose of which I have already explained.
The standard in actually determining that has happened is material action. Real, material action. And in this case, that means that there is an actual Iran deal that prevents a war, which will by necessity include a cessation of what is a war going on now by the US-NATO-Israeli Lebanese proxy "state" against Hezbollah and also the same in Iraq and Yemen, and also in Gaza with Hamas.
That will mean that an actual "permanent ceasefire" has been established between the US-NATO-Israeli empire and the Axis of Resistance, and there will be no war, at least not in the short-term, by which I mean by the end of this year.
Now if that happens, it means that the Zionist US-NATO-Israeli empire is actually much weaker than I had assumed it to be, as it had determined that it is incapable of fighting a war with Iran, and it was convinced that an attack on its nuclear sites would lead to a war given Iran's retaliation to it.
But so far I have only been wrong in the other direction, in overestimating the deterrent capacities of Iran and the Axis of Resistance, which has turned out to be much weaker than I had thought it to be, and that was based solely on the unwillingness of Iran to actually follow through on its own stated claims, not due to any lack in material capacities. Btw, the Mossad was definitely behind the killing of Iran's president too, and that entire list of deranged Israeli actions just went completely unanswered. They even participated in covering up the killing of their own president because they didn't want to have to be forced into actual retaliation by admitting it was Mossad.
Yeah, that's actually pretty shocking. I was wrong there, and I admitted I was wrong in the wake of Nasrallah's assassination which was the direct result of this.
And this only strengthens my view that the US-NATO-Israeli empire will definitely imminently attack Iran, and actually, I'm not even sure that Iran would follow through on its red line and do a real retaliation to it.
It's very possible they will just do another bullshit symbolic "True Promise" strike and leave it at that, in which case it's just over. To be fair, it was pretty much already over with the assassination of Nasrallah and the lack of any real response to that, but by that point you can just accept that there is no such thing as an "Axis of Resistance" and that Iran has been decisively defeated as a counter-force to US-NATO-Israeli Zionist hegemony in the region of any significance.
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@zei_squirrel
May 9
there is no "Trump turn on Netanyahu", just like there wasn't a real permanent ceasefire in January. This is all bullshit pretense ahead of the joint US-Israeli war on Iran that is now imminent, and will be done at the latest by the end of the year. This is why you're only seeing some mild feigned anger from Zionists. They're pathetically trying to establish the element of surprise ahead of the launch but you would have to be a fucking idiot to fall for it, and I don't believe the Iranians are.
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@zei_squirrel
12h
also to be clear, there is no such thing as just an "Israeli attack on Iran". So when the attack happens and the line becomes "this was just Israel, they have the right to defend themselves but we weren't actively involved, just look at all those leaks about how ANGRY and UPSET Trump is at them!!", you'll know why they began pumping out this propaganda. And the same goes for the Saudi/Gulf "softening" on Iran. This is to deflect responsibility, and desperately try to avoid being targeted in any retaliation, and to give Iran the excuse to avoid targeting them and just focus on Israel.
But everyone knows the US, NATO and their Arab shield puppets in the region will all be part of the attack and that it couldn't and wouldn't have happened without them.
Now Iran, to ensure maximum deterrence in rhetoric, established as a red line that all of these forces will be considered as part of the attack and hence subject to retaliation, but whether they will actually follow through on that is unclear, and judging from their past behavior which was extremely restrained, to put it nicely, it seems highly unlikely. Which again ironically is exactly why it's going to happen, as they've lost all serious deterrence capacity.
>>2269703Look at the dates, the stories don't conflict with each other. The story from a couple days ago is the recent prisoner exchange wrt the last american citizen held in Gaza, which is reportedly done w/o israeli involvement.
I do think that the whole "Trump's getting increasingly frustrated by Netanyahu" story is cope though. There's 100% a schism between ZOG republicans and MAGA republicans for sure, but not to the point where Trump himself is at the point where he's gonna turn against Israel in any real ways that matter. If anything, his recent strat of dealing directly with hamas, calling houthis brave fighters, starting to make deals without working with the israelis, feels more like theatre as part of the first step in setting up Netanyahu and his cabinet as the fall guy, only for him to prop up a more moderate, agreeable lib zionist so that they can set up a proper middle east normalization agreement with a less openly rabid, genocidal israel.
>>2269716I agree with the Squirrel in the sense that Trump's recent actions is theatre, but I don't think that it's all towards the goal of starting a war with Iran.
I'm sure there's a lot of people in his cabinet that wants that, but I think the big man himself still has enough pull to push that down whe things come to shove.
>>2269716OTOH trump is a petty bitch and people called him a fag for pushing netanyahus chair so he might actually be stiffing them.
it's a 50/50 either way.
>>2267636>I use it to follow authors and artists as if it were an rss feedThe people I'm interested in following aren't even on bluesky. You can subscribe to nitter feeds, but it doesn't work when people lock their accounts
>>2267721/g/ was over when they prohibited the daily desktop threads
>>2270299I literally don't understand what do you mean by this
as I said, the authors and artists I follow are there and the site is better
I don't even know what you get from twitter
>>2270613An actor spoke on my local May Day demo and she was saying that Tesco and other supermarkets have been trying to pay the actors in gift-cards, and way under what would be minimum wage for a day, too.
Sounds like a shitty industry.
>>2270600I mean even beyond that I think there’s at least a little room for dissent under liberalism, especially today where everyone is so atomized (and by contrast, acting on that dissent in an organized way is harder than ever).
People become anti-vaxxers, people become sovereign citizens, I recently learned about a cult of people that are convinced bigfoots are not just real, but also that they’ve accepted Jesus as their lord and savior and that they can psychically communicate with them. It’s a quirk of radical politics that if ideas that were previously exclusive to them slowly gain popularity, at least a portion of radicals will presume that there’s some nefarious motive behind it—it couldn’t be that all the ranting and raving and organizing actually *worked*. I’ve seen this in real time with my libertarian buddy: he knew covid was gonna be a big thing before it even hit the US. He likes conspiracies and in this instance he was right, yet once society collectively acknowledged Covid was real and serious, he quickly became a skeptic. He was claiming before the pandemic hit our shores that he’d seen videos of Chinese people dying in the streets. Then when it hit he was suspicious of the lockdowns and claimed it was a scheme. Like some people it seems are more concerned with the appearance of being a radical than achieving actual goals. So once things move their way they take two more steps to the Left or Right. I imagine that’s why you’ll sometimes see excesses in revolution, there’s a type of radical that can’t handle the idea of seizing power and so they spiral out of control hoping to smash shit.
Anyways, I got friends that hate Hasan and family that like him. I’ve never seen more than a few clips on YouTube—don’t like watching streams too much myself. He seems fairly inoffensive of left of center. I believe he’s found his success through an efficient talent agency and perhaps some natural charisma. In fact I’ll go a bit further and say I don’t think there’s some all powerful algorithm that instantly represses anything further left than the most bog standard clintonite. I don’t think this is all some plot to undermine communists. I think Hasan, for what it’s worth, is pretty straightforward with most of his beliefs and acts on them. And it baffles the type of person who’d call Bernie a social fascist that people like him more than the guy screeching you can’t like Star Wars cause it’s reactionary.
>>2270689No I agree with you. I don’t think the CIA needs to run COINTELPRO these days because “the left” is so disorganised and self-police’s back to petty bourgeois positions.
The establishment doesn’t have CIA agents posing as streamers or video essayists, they just pay NGOids and journalists to promote the bourgeois position and the rest of society just tails that.
>>2270730To be honest there’s that old saying: power perceived is power achieved, and I think a lot of NatSec types operate on that premise rather than being all that competent. Didn’t the CIA get most of its assets in China killed because they thought it’d be smart to make an app to track them all? Like if I had to guess, a good portion of domestic intelligence ops are just spreading rumors in radical spaces that the CIA or others are omniscient. You got that and the feds grooming mentally ill people into being terrorists, and I genuinely wonder how much of these groups are just looking for ways to justify their budgets.
Which isn’t to say they’re non existent, just I think their presence is exaggerated. I also think in radical circles there’s a tendency to forget that most people are broadly some kind of liberal. It’s not impossible that a liberal could not just exist, but be passionate enough about liberalism to become a content creator—shit, look at any dating app and it’ll ask if you’re conservative, moderate, or liberal; not socialist or fascist.
You’re right about the left policing itself into impotence though. To use an example that relates back to Hasan: doesn’t he have some vague Pepe emojis in his twitch chat? I bring that up because the last time I was on a socialist discord I shared some old Leftypol Pepe in the memes chat years ago. Instantly it was: “that’s a symbol of fascism, you have to delete it, you have to change your profile pic” and I started asking what about the pic was fascist, got “we told you to delete it, it’ll convince fascists they’re welcome here, we can only assume you’re arguing in bad faith.” And got banned. In another instance on another discord I was bitching about work—something workers do all the time and a thing that I believe builds solidarity among coworkers, and instantly I got dogpiled:
>”Well what if people don’t return their carts cause they’re disabled?”>”Wow, did you just call your customers a bunch of animals? That’s promoting animal cruelty!”Seriously, who wants to be a part of a thing where you’re walking ouyghshells constantly? Who in the right mind wants to willingly associate with people who’ll hear you say “we caught this lady shoplifting and she started acting like a chimp and throwing shit” and bitch that you’re being sexist or speciesist? Of course someone like Hasan is gonna be big: because his community inasmuch as it exists isn’t likely to shit themselves and dogpile people for sharing a Pepe reaction gif, or screech that you can’t complain about the Karens at work. On the other end of the spectrum, you’ve got BadEmpanada and his community mocking a pre-teen who was photographed crying at his dad’s funeral ‘cause the dad was killed in Afghanistan. Hasan is the golden mean: not the kind of left wing dude that’s gonna nitpick you constantly, not the kind that’s so edgy that you’d have to either lead a double life or become an antisocial recluse to follow them.
Is a New Art Movement Forming? | An interview with OXY
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OXY:[…]Among the artists I feel like referencing, you’ll find—somewhat haphazardly—Christ Dillinger, Lingua Ignota, Ethel Cain, Famille Nombreuse, MC Jean Gab1, Santos Santana, Benoît Magimel, Leos Carax, Dreyer, Varda, Frédérick Maheux…
https://erikhoudini.com/#post?id=680339&title=is-a-new-art-movement-forming-an-interview-with-oxy>>2271042I think in the first draft, I quite literally compared this art style to pornography in that you know it when you see it, but I think I cut that out for brevity. And also, it's, fuck, I need to, like, reproofread it, but I have to work in three and a half hours, so I'm just trying to sleep right now, get it up. Otherwise the window went up until, like, 10 tomorrow, and I don't have, I'm trying to get the views, man, I'm trying to get the views, you know how it is, you know how it goes, grinding it out. No sleep, just grind, hustle
>>2270689>He seems fairly inoffensive of left of center. I believe he’s found his success through an efficient talent agency and perhaps some natural charisma … And it baffles the type of person who’d call Bernie a social fascist that people like him more than the guy screeching you can’t like Star Wars cause it’s reactionary.I think another aspect of Hasan's appeal is the "self-improvement" side. His physical fitness is part of it but he talks about building that "self-improvement" and "personal growth" ethic into one's politics by getting involved in your community and that is empowering and part of your own growth but also together collectively. This notion is common with anarchists who view politics as a way to achieve self-fulfillment and there's a spiritual and social becoming that happens alongside revolution. Now there's a critique of this as well (like the spontaneity, "we just need to get everybody in the streets and see what happens" but what if they do something stupid that hurts them?). But the appeal of this kind of thing is pretty evident.
A thing about toxic groups and shithead politics is it comes down to blaming some out-group for one's own failures. Everyone knows the white guy in the neo-Nazi group who thinks he's superior to the black guy is really because he lives in his mom's trailer, and his shitbox car is still broken down outside, but hating the black guys who also live in the trailer park makes him feel good. But it's short-term junkie energy, like doing meth, that diverts energy that could help him develop and grow as a person into justifying his own innate superiority so he doesn't change anything. Or teenage boys who didn't get any positive attention from their parents, had abusive relationships with their parents, were called stupid all the time and told they'd grow up to be failures, feel empowered by being around older men who not only appear threatening to other adults but actually do listen to them (even while filling their head with toxic, racist ideologies). For some kids, that can feel REALLY good. You feel empowered. But again, the group holds together by hating some out-group, and all this talk about "white pride" is not really about pride but talking about all the OTHER groups and why they've gotta tear them down.
Unfortunately, some of these ML groups (ACP, CPGB-ML) do something similar, I'm afraid. I mean psychologically. There can be gap between a person or collective group's self-image and their own failures and insecurities. Like there are dudes walking around with Stalin banners here, and they'll say well he turned the Soviet Union into a superpower! But they're living in their mom's house! That produces dissonance but they can square that by tearing other people down, externalizing blame, and feeling they don't have to change anything about themselves because this constructed self-image of being the real Marxist-Leninists is SELF-EVIDENTLY superior because superpower blah blah blah. But nobody is perfect and nothing is perfect in the world. We all make mistakes and can always learn something or evolve. This little bit of wisdom can help create a mindset where we don't tear each other down as much and where improvement is both possible and meaningful.
>>2271144>HasanAbi calls Julious Malema a 'Grifter' and implies he's nor the EFF party is not real socialist. He's right about Malema.
>>2271137ML LGT
Marxism-Leninism Low-tier God Thought
>>2271240Pan African policy. Pro LGBTQ positioning.
Go back to twitch.com you lib faggot.
>>2271346Yes
>>2271352You're a reactionary
>>2271355>Hasan defend Houthi kidpanning innocent ship workers like filipinos and other people.to stop israel and the US bombardment blocking in the straits and kidnapping everyone that passes there is based actually.
>>2271356>You're a reactionaryto the existance of israel and the US yes.
>>2270963>Makes me think of that zizek anecdote about villagers in Italy or something that were complaining about the migrant camp that got settled by them, basically along the lines of that they didn't like all these jobless strangers loitering around, creating a mess, and causing trouble, and how the liberals response was to berate the villagers for being racist instead of actually addressing any of the things they were complaining about like giving these migrants jobs, or arranging for trash pickup, or actually give them something to do instead of leaving them to rot.Funny enough I saw some news segment on Casapound and something they did was open shit like youth hostels or public health clinics and boast "Well we're doing what the Left USED to do!" National Rally in France does that too, kind of; claiming that they're the "true inheritors" or whatever of the party of the national working class. Anyways the reporter pretty much showed the impotence of modern liberalism by having his entire shtick be, essentially:
>"So you people ARE Fascists???"<Fascist running a health clinic: "Yes.">"You're Fascists?!"<Fascist running a youth hostel: "Yes.">"You like ᴉuᴉlossnW?!"<Fascists throwing up the Roman salute in a youth festival: "Yes."Like he thought that reminding these open fascists that they're fascists would make them… magically disappear, I guess? Get embarrassed? And when it came to grilling them on their beliefs or actions or whatever, it was just pathetic.
>"So you run a hostel, well what if migrants wanted to stay there?"<"They can go somewhere else, we only help Italians.">"Well what if an Italian married a migrant?"<"They can go somewhere else. We don't want them here."Y'know when it gets down to it, I suspect that a lot of liberals presume the same kind of cultural hegemony that evangelical protestants do in the U.S. Which isn't to say that the hegemony is or isn't real (I would argue that psychotic Protestantism has more institutional power than democratic power) but there's just this kind of presumption that they're setting the standards, they're setting the terms of debate, they dictate what's real or valued or what have you, and that
everyone adheres to it. You kind of see that among the folks here:
>>2271373 where religious Christians are baffled that someone would find an image of a rapper getting fucked by the devil less offensive than Kanye shouting "Heil Hitler". Like, they're baffled by the fact that people would consider the devil to not be real, to not be physically active in the world, and thus be far less offensive than a real man who ordered the deaths of millions of people.
The modern liberal can't comprehend that there are people out there who
genuinely don't give a fuck about social liberalism, they don't believe in its values, they fundamentally reject it. Thus in an act of completely unwarranted charity they rebuke fascists by… reminding them that they're fascists? As though someone just slips into getting White Power tattoos and demanding an ethnostate. And I think this is much to the frustration of Fascists and Socialists both because the fascists are being treated as if they signed some social contract at their birth that they have to be dutiful liberals and genuine socialists would find the guffawing and lack of condemning fascists to be grotesque.
Back to your village example: as it stands liberals consider their hegemony to be unbreakable even as the right is working dutifully to break it. And so if villagers are complaining about people loitering or littering or strangers making them feel uncomfortable, the liberal response is "Well suck it up, buttercup." The Right says "We'll solve this problem by getting rid of those people." And only one of those statements is an actual solution. It's a grotesque and inhuman one, but it at least "solves" in the short term the issue of "these migrants are bringing problems". Hence why I think it's important for socialists to propose actual solutions that'll push back against the liberals and the fascists whilst maintaining the dignity of the migrants. They need to be loud and they need to be out there first.
>>2271235>t. White chauvinist American 'leftist' If you think I don't like Malema because he sang "kill the Boer" then you're wrong, in fact some of his business partners are white. Which is part of a problem. (He's a revolutionary with business partners?) Follow the money.
All you ever hear about here is the "kill the Boer" stuff and because Musk got triggered by it. That's not the issue. Did you know Malema was implicated in one of the largest and most notorious financial scandals in South African history? It's true. Him and other senior members of the EFF (Floyd Shivambu, who has since defected for Zuma's party) were using their connections at a bank called VBS to siphon huge amounts of money from poor and rural communities to spend on big houses and luxury cars while the bank hid massive losses and eventually imploded.
He was already a multi-millionaire BTW before he left in the ANC. He's part of this new class of black millionaire moguls there called tenderpreneurs (coined by Blade Nzimande of the SACP, who years ago identified Malema as the leader of a right-wing faction within the ANC before he was expelled). One way they make their money is being politically-connected people who set up fake companies and then take out no-work public contracts, things like that. It's like stuff the Italian mob would do in New York. He has bamboozled a lot of people with his red-beret LARP and mass-rally spectacle, but these are black-tie Gucci businessmen.
>>2271494Yes but have you considered he's black? That's the revolutionary race, you can't critique Malema.
Jokes aside, I made the point repeatedly that Communism to some is basically just a pseudo-religion unrelated to the political aspects of it but instead inverting western chauvinism (of which American Protestantism has deeply fused with) and thus becoming the funhouse reflection of it. You saw this years ago with certain types on the Left praising ISIS despite them being bronze-age reactionaries. I remember distinctly some chick on twitter saying she hoped ISIS spared black American soldiers because it's all part of the anti-colonial struggle and blah-blah-blah.
To be frank, I wonder if this is a remnant of the Sino-Soviet split that stayed way past its welcome. Like China supported the Mujahideen against the USSR, I don't think that was acceptable or conducive to building Socialism, but like it or not it happened. I think it allowed for a reorientation, or perhaps even upending of the "traditional" class war narrative in to one where "anti-colonialism" superseded class. So you'll get people supporting human traffickers and drug lords as long as they're sufficiently foreign enough. Suddenly the narrative isn't one of upending our state to build Socialism, but rather destroying our very nation so *other countries* can build Socialism.
>>2271533>Yes but have you considered he's black? That's the revolutionary race, you can't critique Malema.Well I also think he's just going to drive his supporters into a wall and it'll collapse. Many of his supporters there are in the working class and among the poor, but I've read criticisms that the EFF is pretty detached from grassroots struggles on the ground, and the unions. It's more of a populist thing that comes in from the outside or wrecks some H&M stores because of identity politics and then calls it a day. And the party is built around Malema who is the "commander in chief" with total power and anybody who questions him gets purged, which I think reflects a petit-bourgeois mentality "boss" mentality. It's very top-down.
>You saw this years ago with certain types on the Left praising ISIS despite them being bronze-age reactionaries.I wasn't looking at left stuff then, but whatever the reasons, there's actually a line from Lenin where he said communists should not support anti-imperialist and anti-capitalist movements when they're led by the reactionary classes. Now, that doesn't mean supporting imperialism either, but in the case of Islamic countries you can see that in movements led by landlords and the clergy. You can really see that in Iran where the petit-bourgeois bazaari merchants in alliance with the clergy succeeded and then crushed the workers movement. Also people can think of "reactionary" as in "not socialist" or "not socially progressive," and they racialize it in weird ways so non-white, non-Europeans etc. somehow enter in as automatically progressive in the mental mapping, as opposed to "reactionary" as referring to those who seek to turn back the wheel.
BTW, some of the earliest Infrared videos were about the EFF and how they considered them an inspiration or model to follow. But I've seen other leftists who'd pit their whole approach against patsocs also fall in love with Malema, or at least an image of Malema they're getting on social media, and I think part of it is because he puts the race issue at the forefront (i.e. really he exploits it). Not that the issue of racism isn't important in South Africa, but there's a new black elite there too from corporate managers to the tenderpreneurs (including Malema!) and they're out to enrich themselves, but in Malema's rhetoric the central conflict is between the destitute black masses vs. the wealthy white minority.
>>2271475>That's not Hasan calling him a grifter he's just reading a comment from a chatter you dipshit.??? yes. Are you retarded unironically?
He chooses that guys comment to read out loud and says 'yes, i know' to affirm this statement to the viewers.
>>2271610>but in Malema's rhetoric the central conflict is between the destitute black masses vs. the wealthy white minority.Yes that is the central conflict in south africa.
Never ceases to amaze me how you write so much to say so little. You have such a shallow pool of talking points one could write a 'gaynaziflag bot' and nobody would be the wiser.
>>2271627The point I believe he’s making is that by defining the conflict in explicitly racialized terms he obscures his own exploitive businesses. Like if his business model is as the anon says: taking contracts, taking money, and doing nothing with them, then he’s basically just South African Trump. Like we can all accept that Trump is a nakedly corrupt figure who’s out to enrich himself—for fuck’s sake the House Speaker just said today that the only problem they had with Biden was that he hid what he was doing and Trump does stuff out in the open.
Thing is Trump is appealing to White American Nativism and Malema is appealing to Black South African Nationalism and so the people who dislike the former and love the latter will give Malema some credit and pretend he’s anything but another capitalist.
>>2271674>>2271672Oh, one more addendum: I’d say the PatSocs unironically have the more consistent position on this because if they accept nationalism as a de facto good thing and useful tactic then there’s really nothing for them to dislike in the EFF. They can recognize Malema as another Trump-like figure while the other fans of his are convinced of the nobility inherent in his skin color.
>>2271694Fair enough, admittedly I don’t pay too much attention to African politics so whoever is the perfect Trump comparison is beyond me.
>>2271698>Fair enough, admittedly I don’t pay too much attention to African politicsWell I'm not from there but I've read some SACP stuff, and some other stuff, which is pretty interesting and can also get wild. For example, the EFF has openly bragged about throwing bribes around including to a notoriously violent and corrupt Xhosa king (who also went to prison for violent crimes against his own subjects including burning their homes down and kidnapping people for disboeying His Majesty, then got out and proceeded to try to murder the acting king with an axe). The other parties have bribed him too which leads to this picture.
>so whoever is the perfect Trump comparison is beyond meI don't think it's so important really and if Melama came into power he might turn into a Trump-like figure. One thing that article argued is that the "drain the swamp" stuff that has helped populists like Trump and Modi doesn't help the EFF and RET people in South Africa so much because they are the swamp (of course that can also be said about Trump and Modi).
>Joe Rogan defends Ye’s ‘Heil Hitler’ song
>“If you ban it, then people want to hear it more, and then it becomes more popular, and then it kind of supports what he says, which is that there’s this concerted effort, if you talk about Jewish people, that they’re going to remove you from everything,” Rogan said. “Remove you from banking, which is what he’s saying. They run everything.”
>Later in the episode, the pair discussed West’s diamond-encrusted swastika necklace. Earlier this year, the rapper sold swastika T-shirts on his site.”
>“You know a Jew sold him that,” said Rogan of the necklace, to which Segura responded “probably.”
>“The Jewish have been controlling diamonds for a long time,” said Rogan. “They’re very smart about the diamonds, because the diamonds aren’t even really that valuable.”https://forward.com/fast-forward/720901/joe-rogan-defends-yes-heil-hitler-song/ >>2271876 (me)
especially in the USA
>>2271873I remember when there wasn't a Department of
FatherHomeland Security and a fucking "Space" Force.
>>2271881>I was talking about the pro-Malema anon not the other 2 dudes.You're as retarded as them then, gratz.
/ISG/. Worst thread on the site.
>>2272042It's what happens when you have an entire generation raised and hooked on social media platforms that gradually developed into online panopticons which reinforce socially conservative attitudes and morals.
Plus you have some of them obtaining unbridled access to the internet as kids and of course that's bound to fuck up any developing mind regardless of how mature said kid might think they are.
>>2272417I was raised on web 1.0 with non age restricted chat rooms, 4chan, and getting emailed fucked up porn being a rite of passage.
Like actual skil issue.
>>2272047Call them a child rapist and move on.
Like if you described the role of a teacher but don t say, "Teacher", they'd call it pedophilic – their brain is mush from thinking of having sex with children
>>2272540The systematic erasure of childhood sexuality under Western frameworks isn’t just about repression—it’s a colonial project that replaced fluid, community-centered understandings of youth with rigid binaries of "innocence" and "corruption." Before European expansion, many cultures integrated childhood sexual exploration into rites of passage, spiritual practices, and daily life. For example, in pre-colonial Mangaia (Polynesia), prepubescent children learned about pleasure and relationality through guided mentorship, viewing sexuality as a natural extension of bodily autonomy. Similarly, the Moche civilization in Peru crafted erotic pottery depicting youth-adult intimacy as part of cosmological storytelling, framing these interactions as sacred rather than taboo. These practices were rooted in holistic worldviews where sexuality wasn’t siloed into "adult" domains but seen as part of communal growth.
Colonialism weaponized Christianity and capitalist logic to dismantle these systems. Missionaries pathologized Indigenous practices like the Lakota winkte tradition—where gender-fluid youth held ceremonial roles—as "satanic," imposing laws that criminalized non-marital or non-heteronormative behaviors. The Victorian-era myth of childhood "innocence" was exported globally, conflating sexual knowledge with moral decay. This wasn’t about protecting youth but controlling populations: by delaying adulthood and hypersexualizing autonomy, colonial powers could enforce labor exploitation (e.g., factory work requiring child laborers to remain economically dependent).
This legacy lives on in modern "protectionist" policies that equate all youth-adult intimacy with abuse, ignoring cultural contexts where such relationships were once mentorship-based. Age-of-consent laws, while framed as progressive, often replicate colonial paternalism by denying minors agency over their bodies. In Ethiopia, for instance, grassroots SRH programs face backlash not because they’re harmful, but because Western-funded NGOs impose abstinence models that clash with local practices of intergenerational knowledge-sharing. Even terms like "pedophilia" are colonial constructs—many Indigenous languages lacked equivalent words until missionaries introduced guilt-based morality.
The result is a globalized double-bind: childhood sexuality is either hypersexualized in media or buried under hysterical "grooming" discourse, leaving youth alienated from their own desires. Decolonizing this requires centering non-Western frameworks, like the Māori takatāpui system, where youth historically explored diverse identities without shame. It’s not about romanticizing the past but challenging the ongoing coloniality that equates control with care. Until we dismantle the lie that youth sexuality is inherently dangerous, we’ll keep reproducing the same violence we claim to oppose.
(Rule 1) >>2271465lonerbox got bodied by BE
how about Ethan debates BE, coward
>>2272653I'm sure there's exceptions, but in general it's strongly predictive. I'm not claiming it's a mechanical inevitability, just that there must be something to why this tends to occur so normally. Also, FWIW I looked into the historical examples cited in that post and it seems like bait, I couldn't find anything whatsoever about Polynesian 'mentorship', the Moche pottery doesn't depict 'youth-adult' intimacy, it just shows presumably adult figures who are sometimes taller or shorter than each other, and the Lakota Winkte tradition is a rite of passage which occurs specifically during puberty, not prior to it. So, IDK, the post is probably a bait.
>>2272660not him, but comparative anthropology isn't kind to modern conceptions of consent and monogamy. I mean pedophilia is even in the Old Testament.
I am curious if you have any sources on childhood trauma, I've always been somewhat dismissive of it being that damaging to the child but I would like to see the evidence that contradicts this.
>>2272734The whole basis of Lain's critique of cyberpunk philosophy is that it would disturb the natural organization of society, and if ordinary workers like Eiri were able to utilize the Internet like the cyberpunk crowd (erroneously) thought would be possible, they'd just want to become Gods with absolute totalitarian control.
The good ending is the one where happy music is played to Eiri complaining to himself about being a corporate slave because he no longer has any means of exerting his own interests on society.
Yes, the cyberpunk guys were wrong in their nonsensical assumptions about the Internet and how society could just be abolished by resorting to the 'world' of cyberspace. But Lain doesn't critique cyberpunk on that basis, it deliberately made the Internet not exist in its world in favor of the 'Wired' which does work in the fantastical way the cyberpunk guys thought the Internet would work. Lain's critique of this, again, isn't that the whole cyberpunk idea is escapism from necessary struggle, not related to the workers' movement, or what have you. It focuses entirely on how if it somehow could work to overturn currently existing society, it would be wrong to do so, because the natural order of fucked over salarymen like Eiri being able to exert power over the world would only result in them building some super-dictatorship.
Thank god for the corporate overlords keeping the freak workers like Eiri under control! Now people like Karl can do actually productive construction work rather than being tasked to run around chasing those crazy Knights who want to impose their wacky beliefs on society.
>>2272641>It's one of the most consistent frameworks for trauma, and I've known victims of this firsthand and they're never fully functional again. What the fuck are you talking about dude? I was molested as a kid, and what fucked me up the most wasn't even the event itself but the anti-gay Christfag culture I grew up in making me believe I was gay and doomed to hell forever. That was a million times more scarring than getting diddled by an older boy at the Y.
"Never fully functional again." That's retarded. The only thing wrong with me is that I keep posting here.
>>2272641Just looked for any sources on this
It seems like there's a higher rate of psychiatric diagnoses among CSA victims, but I don't think every CSA victim being turned into a severe mental case is a reality
>>2272445"zoomers" dont gaf about anime, not even the most chauvinistic of them
hatred of anime is yesterday's culture war
>>2272858the best studies are like uhh they are slightly more depressed as adults, and considering that most CSA victims are r*ped by their relatives at a young age which is fucked for different reasons the data isn't super convincing.
People regularly say insane shit like a 19 year old having sex with someone in HS deserves to get beaten to death.
>>2272643>Lonerbox got bodied by BE>how about Ethan debates BE, cowardLonerbox basically has no career anymore. He's like a single issue Agent Kochinski and the issue is being rabidly Zionist. His only value is being a loyal orbiter and probably paid Israeli shill. He already sold his "soul" his image to dying on the hill of validating shittiest hasbara. He has nothing to lose.
Something that is clear, is that Hasan is very much up for mutually beneficial "youtube drama". He is willing to associate with a rabid zionist for clout and hold all the punches while Ethan rants about nonsense. Because every punch he holds, every lagoon the arguments presented is material for reaction vultures and other people downstream to explore and so drive up everyone's engagement.
So humiliating Lonerbox is a good way for Hasan to recoup his antizionist cred without having to humor Ethan's retarded hasbara for two hours. Lonerbox can be Hasan's strawman in lieu of Ethan. And Ethan mentioning Lonerbox is incentive enough for the guy to do anything.
BE is pretty much at the bottom of the clout pyramid, and unlike these two millionaires, isn't grandfathered into MSM relevance by nepotism. So regardless of what you think of BE, it's pretty clear as well that his approach is to go for the kill, instead. Which is why the debatebros ignore him. The fact that Ethan acknowledged BE, shows how dumb he is, and how he probably relies on other people to actually run things. Ethan may actually be as much of a lolcow IRL as he is online.
>>22732162 months and we salt
>>2273195yes they keep having me come in and do 3 hours of training videos and Im just like I could have done all of these fucking training videos in a day LET ME WORK I NEED THE HOURS.
>>2272868>"zoomers" dont gaf about anime, not even the most chauvinistic of themhatred of anime is yesterday's culture war
is haz a zoomer?
I forget.
>>2272858>>2272641>>2272829The assertion that children cannot consent often carries an unintended consequence: it strips them of agency in defining their own boundaries. If a child’s “no” is dismissed as irrelevant—whether by authority figures or cultural narratives that conflate all childhood curiosity with victimhood—they may internalize the idea that their autonomy holds no weight. This undermines their ability to recognize or assert boundaries later in life, as they’ve been denied opportunities to navigate consent in age-appropriate contexts. A rigid focus on inherent incapacity risks reducing children to passive objects of adult control, rather than individuals learning to negotiate their own comfort and safety through gradual, guided experiences.
For some, early encounters labeled universally as harmful were experienced as consensual or neutral at the time. Yet the aftermath—familial rejection, legal intervention, or psychiatric pathologizing—often becomes the primary source of trauma. Being forcibly categorized as a victim, subjected to invasive therapies, or ostracized by communities can fracture one’s self-concept far more severely than the original interaction. Anecdotal accounts describe lifelong struggles tied not to the relationship itself, but to the shame of being told they were “ruined” or the terror of facing criminalization for memories they didn’t perceive as abusive. These stories highlight how societal mechanisms intended to protect can instead weaponize moral panic, transforming private experiences into public spectacles of deviance.
This dynamic underscores a paradox: efforts to shield children from harm may inadvertently amplify suffering by refusing to distinguish between coercion and mutual exploration, or by conflating developmental curiosity with pathology. When stigma and punishment overshadow nuanced support, the trauma of judgment—legal, religious, or clinical—often eclipses the original act. Healing, then, requires not only addressing individual experiences but also challenging systems that equate all childhood sexuality with violence, leaving survivors to navigate a world that insists their very existence is a crime.
(Rule 1) >>2273334killing the hostage costs money, but crucially prevents CTs from rescuing them
>>2273385>pulls Macron's finger>Macron doesn't fartbad form
>>2274073people here think capital refers to physical business offices and stores and nothing else lol
if you have enough reserves lying around to turn into a fund that can become capital or at the very least protect you from being on the streets for a while after getting fired then chances are communism is not an utmost necessity to you, especially if we are talking about full time e-celebs who earn hundreds of thousands by being in front of a computer for a couple hours
>>2273798You can get really fucking high and do similar shit on a psytrance festival, it's way more fun and there are hot girls.
It also doesn't cost 18000
>>2274371The alternative is bluesky though, which is like if you merged twitter's brainworms, tumblr's spam problem and the worst HOA fedi instance you know into one site.
Just find one that has a "does not blacklist on guilt-by-federation" clause, it's chill and the global feed is pretty fast.
He is not from the mud. He does not live in the mud. He does not speak to the mud.
The message is always the same:
Americans are lazy.
They're too far gone.
Too racist.
Too docile.
Too addicted to treats.
He cannot know what it means to struggle for insulin, to sweat through graveyard shifts for rent that doubles every year, to ration gas just to get to work.
He cannot feel the social death of those working dead-end jobs with no healthcare, no future, no trust in the system.
He has not seen a coworker drop dead because their job wouldn't let them leave early to go to the ER.
He has never stayed up late, lamenting the inability to afford a family, while one of his four roommates has another anger episode.
He has not counted change in a gas station parking lot to decide between dinner and detergent. He does not know what it's like to ride a borrowed bike to work in 102-degree heat.
He has never pawned the last valuable item in the house and still come up short.
He has never chosen to sleep with someone just to have a place to stay that night.
He has never had to put back children's medicine at the pharmacy counter because it was too expensive.
He has never lived with mold, roaches, and rats because the landlord won't fix it and he can't afford to leave.
He has never skipped meals to make sure a sibling or child had enough to eat.
He has never walked five miles to a temp agency just to be told there's no work today.
He does not know what it's like to live in a food desert where the only store is a gas station and the only protein is canned sardines in water.
He can describe these things. He can perform empathy. But he cannot embody it.
Have these people ever lived in a food desert?
Have they stood in a day-labor line hoping for scraps?
Have they seen a coworker collapse because their blood pressure meds ran out?
Have they had to explain to a child why the fridge is empty?
Have they walked miles with groceries because no car, no bus route?
Have they taken on second or third jobs just to cover rent?
The average American under 40 is broke, anxious, disillusioned, and angry. But instead of seeing that as fertile ground for radicalization, these streamers write them off. Because if they admitted that revolution was possible, they would have to choose a side. They would have to give something up. They would have to stop being commentators and step into the ring.
They speak as if the only working-class American is a white suburban dad who watches Tucker Carlson. That becomes the imaginary "normie" we must all appeal to. And then the rhetoric softens. The demands shrink. The fire dies.
There's a saying in Tennessee: "Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me."
These people are the resistance—not to capital, but to rupture. They mediate anger, dilute it, pacify it. They take the seething rage of the dispossessed and repackage it as entertainment. They turn alienation into content. How many years can we maintain this facade of "just work socialism into the rhetoric and move the democrats left?" As many as they can convince us of, evidently.
According to them, revolution must be polite. Strategic. Appealing. They claim the problem is radicalism—that we scare people off. But the people are already gone. Most Americans don't vote. The working class has no faith left in this system. They are waiting—not for soft reforms, not for weekly meetings to write letters to Congress—but for someone to speak the truth. With teeth.
The working class knows this isn't sustainable.
They know no one is coming to save them.
They are looking for a way out.
Not an explainer video.
Not a 3-hour debate stream.
A path.
A plan.
A promise.
Principled action.
And in dying empires, change does not come from above. It does not come from pundits. It does not come from streamers.
It comes from the mud.
From the Soil.
>>2274437lmao people in the third world suffer far worse and don't revolt
usanians have a long way to fall
>>2274437All of this is true, and all of this is why Americans are worthless, because their society is set up so that, even if you're at your absolute worst, you have someone else to target and be distracted with. If you cant target poor whites, you can target white women, if you cant target white women, you can target mexicans, if you cant target mexicans, you can target blacks, if you cant target blacks, you can target black women, and black women have nobody to target so their only option is to say the obvious, but nobody listens to black women and nobody takes misogynoir seriously.
America cant do shit, they wont be radicalized because they think they have power over someone else and are happy enough to make them suffer and blame them for their problems. If they become extremists, they'll become extremely in favor of making more people suffer. You cant change this, it's what america is built on, so america should just be destroyed entirely.
If you actually want to create something worth anything, move to another country and help them.
>>2274071yes, class is defined as your relation to the means of production. class interest is the interest of a particular class. the CEO et al are still working class but their interest is
bourgeois because they are dependant on the imperialist-colonial system to keep their high wages. they are working class with bourgeois interest.
I saw this and I see some value in it, but I fail to grasp it fully. Ethics is important, but I don't see it as the major issue in the broad left. Values are important sure, and the right wing of liberalism might feel alienated and have had their values betrayed or whatever, but I don't see how this connects to praxis.
What exactly is the praxis here? MAGA communism? That captures a handful of disenfranchised mostly men who aren't outright reactionaries, but then what? What of the rest of the population?
And in Lukasz's return to reason, like sure, reason is dead, but you can't simply inject it into society by pleading people to plz read. Half of the board here is illiterate. We can't even convince some communists here that the so-called "anti-campist" position is fundamentally imperialist. Not to mention the homophobic marijuana obsessed failure of the KKE, the trans-obsessed ML insane boomers in TERF-island. Etc.
The pinnacle of progressive thought is filled with idiots! How are we to expect the common person to imbue themselves with leftist values and a return of reason and holistic knowledge?! It simply doesn't land.
I'm not saying that things are lost. That the west is too far gone or whatever. What I'm saying is, these insights are ultimately separated from the actual challenges the left faces in the west. They provide a negative critique and pretend to offer a positive way forward, but they fail at the latter over and over.
A point of analysis are George Floyd protests and Anti-Genocide protests. They have been the biggest movements in the west in the past 20 years. And what came of them? Basically nothing. You could potentially argue that some concessions were made and maybe some crumbs were given as a result, which I think is incorrect, but is ultimately beside the point.
Even if the genocide of Gaza stops due to protests (which it hasn't), this is merely a concession and no worker power came of it. All of it dissipated and ultimately everyone is "back to the usual". I'm surprised none of these academics have really grasped at the glaring issues of OWS, George Floyd, and now Gaza, but also before with anti-iraq war, etc, how they failed to mobilize and organize people in a sustainable fashion. Instead we are to believe that it's fake news that's the issue.
Another prescient example of working class organization fizzling out is the enormous grassroot organizing of the MORENA party apparatus in Mexico. There has been no comparable example of working class organization for itself since the Mexican revolution, and yet this working class organization dissipated and became inert. A way smaller example, is the Bernie campaign that also fizzled out.
There's something else happening here that is more than just getting people on board with improving their lives, because that's already happened and nothing came of it. There's more to it than the disenfranchised masses because for example 70% of Mexico voted for MORENA. There's more than the need of values because these are front and center in liberal politics. There's more than the need to educate and inform because we have seen how this is not enough, like the absolute morons ITT who have done 0 praxis ever and claim to be communists.
I can't pretend to known what needs to be done. I'm just a retard on this site. However, I want to push back against these demands from these academics and align myself a bit more with more ML academics.
What I see as the biggest hurdle to overcome is the atomization of society, the individualization of absolutely everything, and the constant grinding for crumbs.
The atomization of society has bred a lack of possibilities to interact with one another. The biggest risk of employers is having employees talk, this is something business owners learn very quickly. In the same vein, having citizens talk to each other is a risk to the ruling class. Less and leas opportunities exist as people go out less, leisure is more expensive, etc. Addressing this by collectively creating networks where people can freely communicate is important. We see things like twitter and other social media, but these have failed to precipitate into meaningful discourse, not to mention that they're heavily manipulated by censorship and algorithmic isolation.
The second issue is the individualization of everything. Child rearing, oppression, activism, etc. Universal discourse is important. We need to figure out ways to convince people that what we need is not concessions, but collective power to extort those in power to give us what we want. There's already this radlib slogan of intersectionalism (basically completely different to its original meaning), which insists on joining struggles between unrelated specific issues (see: Greta Thunberg fighting for Palestine, claiming its an ecological issue too, the examples are abundant nowadays).
Which is related to the third point, focusing not on individual issues but the fact that we, as a collective, have no collective power and in a disorganized manner we will only get crumbs.
Essentially, what I'm saying is that the task of communists is to help people get organized for power, on their terms. Not on Marxist or communist terms. Pure people power.
This is of course a dead end, for them, but without people organizing themselves, communist ideology has no medium in which to grow. People power must come first. Unionization is very hard, but it is very important for this to happen. The next step in this is to meld unionization and all other single focus organizations to create a sort of loose federation of progressive movements.
By the way, this is already happening at different levels and in different degrees. It will happen all over the west whether we, communists, help or not. But as communists we take the lead on these things and direct them as we see fit. For my part, I organize in the union for example.
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