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 No.1806659

>>1806543
does someone have the webm?

 No.1806795

>>1806517
>USians will just blame black people most likely
When will Wiggers realize that they're all untouchables lmao

 No.1806877

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Falun Gong uygha doesn't even know basic Skyrim shit, yet he has to shill…

 No.1807076

>start watching 3 body problem
>2.5 seconds in, it's some communism = the worst thing in the entire world, communists are anti-intellectual, demonic baby eaters
Siiiiiiiiigh……

Really getting fucking tired of this shit.

Really getting tired of this shit.

 No.1807084

>>1807076
latest deprogram pointed out this as well, but apparently it gets better later on

 No.1807105

Less developed countries should adopt dengist model and China should take steps to implement socialism as its reaching 1st world economic development.

 No.1807110

>>1807105
Based Namibians have begun to do this

 No.1807156

One of the more interesting developments in the sinophobic western left is the, imo, totally baffling assertion that there is no such thing as a "Chinese" person and there is only a "Han" person. But this totally unreal! This viewpoint that is missing in China and only allegedly exists in fringe online discourse, which is rebuked constantly, but somehow has been adopted as a fundamental truth about China in the westoid left in a way that is complelty incoherent on its own terms.

My theory is that Westoids project this kind of reductive racism onto all Asian countires, and have this assumption they are all one ethnic group because in their own racist conception of the country, they are. They are this identical, undifferentiated stereotype. And as China becomes more well-know about, this clashes with the fact that China is actually huge and extremely diverse, with many languages, traditions and minority groups. So when they encounter Chinese who are not obviously their racist conception of a Chinese person they just outright deny their Chineseness and say they are something else.

 No.1807161

>>1807156
Years ago I could reliably clock any white person saying "Han" instead of "Chinese" as a huge racist. I don't think much has changed. Except that this shiboleth has been adopted by the left as well and is going increasingly mainstream.

 No.1807173

>>1807084
It does not get better. It's a Team Avengers Assemble tier adaptation, with the infantile dialogue. They Marvelized the book.
>A perfectly diverse team unites to defeat the aliens. The real victory is the fun times they had along the way
China and Russia are not portrayed as allies against the threat in the Netflix version.
All global countries are portrayed as allies in the Chinese series.

 No.1807178

>>1806435
It seems like the UK is going all in to protect it's aristo ruling structure. Communists orgs were arrested simply for handing out pamphlets at recent Palestine protests.

 No.1807193

Where do I go to see the chinese marmots??
Where are they?

 No.1807195

>>1807178
They've been going fucking insane against foreigners of all kinds or really anything integrates Britain into the world, but it's apparently popular (?) and the opposition is totally demoralized and getting completely fucked up by what we could politely call non-democratic political subterfuge.

 No.1807198

>>1807156
I thought Han is just the majority ethnic group in China and basically seen it as the same as being a bunch of small ethnic groups combined to be "White" in America. Have I been thinking about it wrongly?
Regardless, it seems obvious that liberals want to promote ethnic-nationalism in China to divide the country.

>>1807161
>Except that this shiboleth has been adopted by the left as well
Wasn't differentiating various ethnic groups as separate "nations" pioneered by the USSR? It was a collection of separate republics. Perhaps that was a mistake. Maybe the USSR should have just been one state like China.

 No.1807281

>>1807198
Nationalism is a spook, lmao, go read Stalin. It's a historical entity that can be defined by ANYTHING. "Ethnic divide" is also a nonsensical concept because it just doesn't exist, and it never existed since primeval times, only ever rearing it's ugly head in 19th century and failing

 No.1807283

>>1807084
which episode

 No.1807287

>>1807173
Yeah I noticed that too. Both in this series and in Wandering Earth 1/2, great focus was given to the fact that it was an international effort. With lots of extras appearing and speaking in their languages.

Something you don't see in Hollywood slop where America saves the world from commie aliens every Saturday.

 No.1807308

>>1807287
Great focus on anti-corruption as well in the movie.

 No.1807316

>>1807281
>Nationalism is a spook
I agree, but most of the world believes it, use armies/police to defend it, brainwash their children to believe it, so it de-facto exists and is forced on those who don't agree.
>go read Stalin
Why was the USSR composed of several separate republics instead of being just one Worker's State? Why didn't USSR and PRC under Stalin and Mao combine into one Worker's State?
>"Ethnic divide" is also a nonsensical concept because it just doesn't exist
It exists as long as people have different languages, cultures and believe themselves to be fundamentally separate from other people. The genocide/apartheid in Israel wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for ethnic division.

 No.1807317

>>1807316
>Why was the USSR composed of several separate republics

For historical reasons. People should be persuaded into the future, or else they'll stick to the past and resist with all their might. Just like with kolkhozes

>It exists as long as people have different languages, cultures and believe themselves to be fundamentally separate from other people


No, it doesn't exist at all. It's just a trick of perception.

 No.1807337

>>1807317
>For historical reasons.
>It's just a trick of perception.
I agree with you on principle that nations and ethnicity are fundamentally spooks/arbitrary in construction. But why would you give historical credence to nations but not to ethnicity? You realize that if people fight for nations they can also fight for their ethnicity.

The way to avoid it is to get rid of the middle man. If people use military/police/indoctrination to force their little nation/ethnicity on their captive populations it make just as much sense for a larger power to impose a larger nation or ethnicity instead.

 No.1807340

>>1807337
>You realize that if people fight for nations they can also fight for their ethnicity.

Dude, we ALL are relatives to each other in around 8 generations. All humans on Earth. Ethnicity is a fucking spook, same as nationality

 No.1807347

>>1807340
>>1807337
Ah, it's 50th generation common ancestor for all humans, but 9th-16th cousin. Ethnicity is pretty much nonsense, and you'll have to draw Nazi-level schizo graphs about how much of a Semite still makes you an Aryan

 No.1807374

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>>1806496
>>1806517
China did it (Russia too).

 No.1807376

>>1807283
latest one, listener mailbag (episode 123)
unless you're a paypig in which case it's the last one

 No.1807393

>>1807198
PRC did adopt Soviet ethnic policy and as a consequences has 56 official ethnicities and a complicated suite of attendant laws protecting them. They also established "autonomous" regions for minorities. But this policy is undergoing change. I think the intentional shift away is what lets people start saying things like "Han supremacy" because they involve things like changing primary language in school to putonghua.

They aren't really equivalent to white though because for a very long time now white people are white because they have white skin. But most chinese minority groups literally look identical to Han. To be honest, my impression from casual discussion about this is that westoids just dismiss all the internal ethnic groups that "look Chinese" as being basically Han and treat only the ones that are visibly different as "real" ethnic groups– that is– "not Chinese". People don't really self identify that much as Han. I'v actually never seen anyone do this except in literary references to appeals to common Chineseness which they pretty clearly mean to also encompasses people who are not Han.

Maybe the way USians in particular think about ethnicities doesn't really allow you to have one inside of another, and they're pretty strict about phenotype and consider it supreme.

 No.1807471

why did they make the americans look competent in this movie?

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I started reading Nikolai Vavilov's "Chinese power" and it's a much better argument for China than any of western China supporters ever brought up. It's not available in English, sadly.
The broad points are:

- China is a very diverse country and it's as big as all of Europe. Its governance is appropriately complex, centering on regional groups that struggle against each other all the time. This struggle is being hushed down by official state media to avoid further destabilization.
- All of China's institutions fall somewhere on a spectrum between Xi's "Stalinist" group that originates from the army and seeks to return to socialism and the "Comsomol" group that represents capital and seeks integration with the west.
- China has been under "Comsomol"'s control since Reform and Opening Up. This has been changing since Xi became the General Secretary in 2012. The changes to the Chinese constitution and Chinese state structure are indicative of this.
- Reform and Opening Up represent a retreat in the face of the worsening political situation, and this reflects in the way China has been developing: the inequality between regions, the damage to Chinese ecology and people are massive. Western imperialists were overwhelmingly the ones to gain from this while Chinese capital got the "honor" of global integration on American terms.
- China under Xi Jinping has been steadily changing course: increasingly decoupling from the west, restoring ecology, moving away from market dominance proclaimed previously - but it hasn't been quick, easy, or without problems.
- China is still very much divided, Xi is far from having absolute control, and "Comsomol" can still win. The outcome is still uncertain.

A special mention is the idea that Bitcoin is, first and foremost, a shadow currency in China, and its growth is mostly driven by capital's distrust towards more traditional money and other assets.

It honestly explains everything I was struggling with in regards to China. Nikolai is, of course, a bourgeois scientist and is very much wrong in certain areas, such as his idea that the Democrat party will radicalize to the left, but it looks very convincing when it comes to China.

 No.1807638

>>1807626
>Nikolai is, of course, a bourgeois scientist

This means you should discard his opinion. None of them would even think about representing China as it is, instead opting out for the narrative of "Deng has betrayed communism"

Reform and opening up is analogous to USA fighting for free trade and doing reforms at home. Why should you shun away from trade when your industries are strong enough to win on the world market? Soviets welcomed investments, too, they just had harsher opposition

>Western imperialists were overwhelmingly the ones to gain from this


Oh yes, Westoids have won from Chinese outcompeting Westoid industries on such a scale that resulted in deindustrialization of the entire West. Amazing analysis

 No.1807656

>>1807638
Deindustrialization is rather normal under imperialism. It's… one of the points of imperialism, inevitable, even. The current situation has been predicted by Hobson, a bourgeois scientist, in the following passage:

>The greater part of Western Europe might then assume the appearance and character already exhibited by tracts of country in the South of England, in the Riviera and in the tourist-ridden or residential parts of Italy and Switzerland, little clusters of wealthy aristocrats drawing dividends and pensions from the Far East, with a somewhat larger group of professional retainers and tradesmen and a larger body of personal servants and workers in the transport trade and in the final stages of production of the more perishable goods; all the main arterial industries would have disappeared, the staple foods and manufactures flowing in as tribute from Asia and Africa. . . . We have foreshadowed the possibility of even a larger alliance of Western states, a European federation of great powers which, so far from forwarding the cause of world civilisation, might introduce the gigantic peril of a Western parasitism, a group of advanced industrial nations, whose upper classes drew vast tribute from Asia and Africa, with which they supported great tame masses of retainers, no longer engaged in the staple industries of agriculture and manufacture, but kept in the performance of personal or minor industrial services under the control of a new financial aristocracy. Let those who would scout such a theory (it would be better to say: prospect) as undeserving of consideration examine the economic and social condition of districts in Southern England today which are already reduced to this condition, and reflect upon the vast extension of such a system which might be rendered feasible by the subjection of China to the economic control of similar groups of financiers, investors, and political and business officials, draining the greatest potential reservoir of profit the world has ever known, in order to consume it in Europe.


Lenin included it in Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Imperialism. So yes, westoid finance capital did benefit as much as they could, and finance capital is dominant at this stage in development.

 No.1807659

>>1807638
The industrial production of the west is not really going down overall, although it barely recovered pre 2008 levels. Anyway western bourgeois won by offsetting the labor costs and Chinese bourgeois won by getting investments and more ability to exploit their working class, I think the Chinese government call that a win win cooperation.

 No.1807660

>>1807659
>The industrial production of the west is not really going down overall

It very much is. Accounting tricks do not produce goods

>Chinese bourgeois won by getting investments and more ability to exploit their working class


Stop being stupid and go read Chinese corporate law. There's no Chinese bourgeoisie

 No.1807663

>>1807660
>There's no Chinese bourgeoisie
lol are you for real? better you never find out what the little stars on the flag mean or you could get an aneurysm

 No.1807669

>>1807626
interesting recommendation, I will read it

 No.1807686

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>>1802279
>It could be the whole "robots are going to do everything while we produce art" was just a subversive meme, promoted by bad actors, that infected the socialist movements in the west.
I will say that the thing I enjoy most about the AI art debate is seeing the plans of the petit-bougeois Breadtube "Left" where the poors are their conscripts that fight and go to prison while the Breadtubers do nothing but cheer from their armchairs in their gentrified apartments get flipped upside-down.

 No.1807691

>>1807193
that music gave me cancer

 No.1807808

>>1807686
It sounds like you're just fuelled by petty resentment

 No.1807971

>>1807808
It's only natural to be disgusted by parasites.

 No.1808051

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https://archive.is/3yQcM

Now, this is just sad. Burgers want to ask China to pretty please stop selling so much high-tech stuff so that American investments would pay out

US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said she plans to press China in an upcoming visit to the country on a ramp-up in its industrial capacity that’s distorting the global economy.
“China’s overcapacity distorts global prices and production patterns and hurts American firms and workers, as well as firms and workers around the world,” Yellen said in excerpts of remarks she’s set to deliver Wednesday on a visit to Georgia. “We have raised overcapacity in previous discussions with China and I plan to make it a key issue in discussions during my next trip there.”
Yellen is visiting Norcross, Georgia, to showcase the reopening of a US solar-cell manufacturing facility that shut in 2017 under the pressure of “cheap imports flooding the market.” China today dominates the global solar energy industry after years of policy support for its domestic companies.

China’s industrial-policy legacy “led to substantial overinvestment” in products including steel and aluminum, which aided that country’s production and employment “but forced industry in the rest of the world to contract,” Yellen said.
“Now, we see excess capacity building in ‘new’ industries like solar, EVs, and lithium-ion batteries,” Yellen said in the excerpts released by the Treasury.
The US Treasury chief is expected to head to China for a second trip since Washington and Beijing re-engaged in high-level diplomacy.
Faced with a powerful drag on growth from a crisis in China’s real estate sector, President Xi Jinping and his lieutenants have been prioritizing the manufacturing sector. The “new three” growth drivers of electric vehicles, batteries and renewable energy have been a particular focus, along with advanced technology semiconductor production.

Beijing’s moves haven’t only unsettled US policymakers. The European Union this month moved toward imposing additional tariffs on Chinese EVs entering the bloc, citing new proof that the government in Beijing is providing illegal financial support for the industry.
Yellen in her visit to Georgia will be highlighting Biden administration policies to help build up the US’s own renewable-energy industry. The Suniva Inc. solar-cell manufacturing plant she’s set to visit is slated to reopen this spring. Suniva’s revived fortunes are due in part to incentives from the Inflation Reduction Act and its measures to “onshore clean energy manufacturing,” Yellen said.

 No.1808059

>>1808051
> when your interests as a loan-peddling debtmongering banker are threatened by deflationary exports
Total Banker Death!

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 No.1808070

>>1802250
Honestly I followed this argument from the beginning and you got bodied. Gayass

 No.1808080

>>1808051
Yeah this is the reason Climate hawks have been butchered and it appears that nobody (with a newspaper column) cares about climate change anymore despite all the record breaking Summers and catastrophically accelerated melting and so on. China simply adopted EV and new energy technology sooner than the US which dragged its feet and continues to, and so is positioned to provide all of those things at amazing prices and global scale.

Also one thing that kind of funny is that, now that the PRC economy is obviously killing RE on purpose and forcing investment into manufacturing, the CN libs have gone back to seething and calling him a "peasant" again. Cause Chinese peasants all love making goods and growing crops and don't love financialization and real estate markets.

 No.1808081

Though I am going to enjoy seeing how the narrative of "china collapsing" turns into "China about to dominate the world with its incredibly strong manufacturing" in the next few months. I guess the answer will be like… Chinese people are too poor (because it's collapsing) to buy Chinese goods so we have to ban them from selling here so it collapses. Probably.

 No.1808125

>>1808081
>China is starving her citizens to sell abroad at a profit!

 No.1808218

>>1808070
> I followed this argument
That wasn't even one, you have autism

 No.1808229

>>1808080
Chinese liberals aren’t people.

 No.1808265

>>1807471

Because that's how it is. The Americans have been the world's leading military force since perhaps 1940, and the entire point of Chinese propaganda is to give them the impetus to fight "God".

 No.1808286

>>1808265
Nah, USSR was the world's leading military since 1943. It's kind of dumb how revisionists managed to maneuver themselves into being unable to use their military anywhere except Afghanistan

 No.1808335

>>1807808
No, I just don't like people that don't have skin in the game being given such prominence.
>>1808080
>…now that the PRC economy is obviously killing RE on purpose and forcing investment into manufacturing, the CN libs have gone back to seething and calling him a "peasant" again. Cause Chinese peasants all love making goods and growing crops and don't love financialization and real estate markets.
I hope deflation fucks the FIRE sector hard in the ass.


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