Except I'm a Chinese from China with English not being my mother tongue, I don't think most of us care
And yes reddit sucks, no longer what Aaron have envisioned
>>1032479>most of us care
Yeah, because you're not a minority in your country. A lot of Americans use Reddit, how many kids growing up when kung fu films were in there heyday were asked if they knew kung fu, how many Chinese diaspora were harassed because of the idea China created covid? Shit like memes about corona-chan have repercussions in what causes mentally ill people to attack Asian Americans, like that guy who killed Chinese restaurant workers because he saw a documentary about the oppression of women in Asia. The American response to an invasion of Taiwan, judging by the response to the Ukraine conflict could end up with Chinese Americans put into internment camps.
>>1032521>how many kids growing up when kung fu films were in there heyday were asked if they knew kung fu
Kids asked each other if they knew kung fu all the time back then. It was very popular.>how many Chinese diaspora were harassed because of the idea China created covid?
Do you know?>The American response to an invasion of Taiwan, judging by the response to the Ukraine conflict could end up with Chinese Americans put into internment camps.
I cannot imagine a war between the US and the PRC where such a thing would even make any sense.
>>1032530>Do you know?
I am not the same anon but what he says is true and backed by datahttps://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/anti-asian-hate-crimes-increased-339-percent-nationwide-last-year-repo-rcna14282
Just bcuz you don't feel it doesn't mean its not happening. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHFzn7krZkM
This vid especially broke my heart.But that idiot got what he deserved from grandma lol
The interesting thing about the debt trap narrative is that capitalist should actually welcome more competition in the international finance market according to their free market ideology. But Marxists all know that’s a lie. The IMF and World Bank as extension of the US empire want to keep their monopoly. Competition is the least thing they want. If they actually compete for better terms against the PRC the law of the tendency of profit to fall would kick in. That is probably why we have all this constant barrage of propaganda around the BRI because that’s their only way to prevent the Global South from cooperating with China.
Friendly reminder that the PRC is an anticommunist imperialist capitalist dictatorship of the bourgeoisie
Okay but why is China still censoring it? I have many LGBT friends and I'd want them to at least have a more "optimistic" view of China, but I don't know much about LGBT issues in China.
As in the dozen or so Chinese students I talked to agreed that most of the proles they know outside of a few labour aristo type jobs in the big cities have that kind of experience
Nobody really understands why the censors choose to go after what they do, no one likes them though. Even die-hard supporters of the CPC.
I would say, though, that the rainbow flag coalition is seen at the as a trojan horse for US, which has become overtly hostile, and thus unwelcome. Chinese has it's own gay subcultures, and will probably need to find a path of progress for them from within.
It's b/c of this>1031361
China cannot progress gay issues under US hegemony, where only the US could progress culture, and the rest of the world has to catch up by imitating them. China, if it is determined to escape US hegemony, will diverge on sexuality, creating two "progresses" and maybe rejoining eventually.
What so people who study chinese? What particular insight do they have?
Why should PRC or any developing nation escaping US hegemony for that matter appeal to anyone in the imperial core?
Your friends should realize that there are more important matters than their own ability to coom in countries they don't live in.
They are Chinese citizens attending school in China. lol
>>1033169>Why should PRC or any developing nation escaping US hegemony for that matter appeal to anyone in the imperial core?
It's not about "appealing to anyone in the imperial core" it's about not censoring the existence of LGBT people, who also exist in equal measure in China.>Your friends should realize that there are more important matters than their own ability to coom in countries they don't live in.
People have solidarity with other people facing the same struggles as them in other countries. On the other hand you are just an internet larper.
>>1032963>China cannot progress gay issues under US hegemony, where only the US could progress culture, and the rest of the world has to catch up by imitating them.
LGBT rights are not inherently American let alone the product of the American bourgeoisie. What the fuck is this supposed to mean?>China, if it is determined to escape US hegemony, will diverge on sexuality, creating two "progresses" and maybe rejoining eventually.
Idealist bullshit and reeks of nationalist ideology.
>>1033175>It's not about "appealing to anyone in the imperial core" it's about not censoring the existence of LGBT people, who also exist in equal measure in China.
Which matters to us as citizens of the imperial core why exactly?
>People have solidarity with other people facing the same struggles as them in other countries.
So true! Solidarity is women in Afghanistans NOW! Restart the imperial invasion. No more dictators. We the benevolent Westerners are here to show solidarity with and liberate with extreme violence anyone who don't live exactly as we do.
>>1033178>LGBT rights are not inherently American let alone the product of the American bourgeoisie
The concept of sexuality and thus hetero and hemosexuality is EXTREMELY anglo and a product of western hegemony, yes
>>1033180>Which matters to us as citizens of the imperial core why exactly?
It matters to people that are carw about lgbt rights and censorship in China>So true
Glad you agree
no + you are mentally ill
>>1033191>It matters to people that are carw about lgbt rights and censorship in China
And who outside of China has a right to care about that, when the only way this "care" can manifest is imperialism?
okay, I would like you to find writings from any culture other than western that makes reference to homosexuality and heterosexuality as distinct sexualities
prior to the colonial era when western ideas were proliferated, that is
Daily reminder that you are a coping anglo.
is basically telling on yourself that you are a mentally ill idealist that doesn't touch grass or talk politics irl
Friendly reminder that you have nothing better going on
As of now there is no such thing as a labour aristocracy in China. The term does not denote "better paid workers", but workers who enjoy in one way or another the plunder of imperialism.
>>1033200>complete this task because I said so>no wait do it in this specific way
Explain exactly how using the expression "anglo" makes one an idealist to prove that you're not just an unread anglo barging into a conversation, sloganeering and speaking out of turn
projection, what a tell that you are an anglo
>>1033209>The term does not denote "better paid workers", but workers who enjoy in one way or another the plunder of imperialism
No bitch. It means workers that are paid better for the work they do and are less inclined to work, like cops and CEOs. They exist in non imperialist countries but China is imperialist
I have seen you samefagging this exact way before in this very thread. You are too autistic to be a good liar
china… is anglo
So do you understand why it matters if that writing is before the colonial era or not? Do you want me to spell it out for you?
Right, so homosexuality and heterosexuality are western Christian and mainly anglo concepts that don't exist in the rest of the world.
In fact the reason homophobia as it were is a big issue in PRC today is that Qing China imitated a lot of western christian cultural standards. If you had read even the Wikipedia article on gay history in China you would know this.
But you haven't. You didn't investigate, but you think you're special and have a right to speak anyways.
>>1033213>China is imperialist
No, it is not: https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2021/09/30/iippe-2021-imperialism-china-and-finance/amp/>lab. arist. is better paid workers
No, it's not. Read Lenin.
Cope harder, LABOUR ARISTOCRAT ANGLO!
You're speaking to 2 different people. Check the IPs if you want to.
everyone outside your shit country hates you
Trotskyism-NATOism for the 21st century. Critical support for the US 🇺🇸 ❤
>>1033220>So do you understand why I am a retard and I can't order you what to do just to make you waste your time as some sort of retarded attempt at hamfisting after I realize I look retarded and idealist
Seethe settler, you are an unwelcome element in your own home
you are this thing because you disagree with me!!11
back to 4chan
reported for spam(spamming false reports against people you disagree with)
literally doesn't mean anything but okay lol
also you're irresponsible and unfit to be a janny. You can't just ban people for making reports, ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVEN'T MADE THOSE REPORTS.
ignore the anglo scum
it was 5 minutes, basically a warning. I'm tired of you browbeating people in this thread and making false reports though.
I'd tend to agree
I don't care how long it was, you can't ban people for doing something they haven't done.
"Browbeating" is not against the rules. Reporting spam is not against the rules.
On the other hand deliberate low-effort posting such "no + you're mentally ill" to good faith discussion IS against the rules, and as such reporting it is okay. If the report is without merit then the other jannies get to ignore it.
But you are fundamentally unfit to have this kind of responsibility.
interesting. How did you establish contact with "when dozen" of these? Do you live there?
1.You broke 14 c,d,f,g
2.we have banned people for repeated false reports before
3.this is not the first time you've been asked not to make false reports
I don't live in China, I met these people online
>>1033257>1.You broke 14 c,d,f,g
Okay, demonstrate that. For each of those counts demonstrate where ai broke where.
In fact demonstrate how I broke those to a standard where you did not.
You would have to do so otherwise all if my reports were legitimate, because they were reports of you breaking ToS.
>2.we have banned people for repeated false reports before
Idc, I didn't make any reports. Demonstrate that not reporting is a false report. Demonstrate that the report would have been false to begin with.
>3.this is not the first time you've been asked not to make false reports
Yes it is. Prove that statement.>>1033259
Interesting. Where did you meet a dozen Chinese students online?
These for example would be a CLEAR violation of 14c, so if I reported those, that would not be "false reports". That would be correct reports that jannies get to react upon by their on discretion
t. perfected ultra instinct super anglo
>>1033266>Okay, demonstrate that. For each of those counts demonstrate where ai broke where.>c
hysterical reaction and attempt to get a ban done on your argument partner>f
sectarian bait over alleged "anglos" as well as lgbt proles>g
lgbt culture war idpol, orientalist idpol, "anglo" idealism idpol>In fact demonstrate how I broke those to a standard where you did not.
My sarcastic response to your posts also broke some of those rules however that's not why I gave you your 5 minute ban, it is because of the repeated false reporting of people you argue with in this thread.
>Idc, I didn't make any reports. Demonstrate that not reporting is a false report. Demonstrate that the report would have been false to begin with.
You were threatening making a report to browbeat someone you are arguing with and clearly what you were threatening to report was not "spam"
>Yes it is. Prove that statement
I have asked you not to here on your other IP before
The Chinese bourgeoisie exploits raw resources and labour from countries via debt and support for comprador regimes.
see>>1033280>My sarcastic response to your posts also broke some of those rules however that's not why I gave you your 5 minute ban, it is because of the repeated false reporting of people you argue with in this thread.
/prc/ would you please take a look at these and tell me if I'm wrong
Sources would be welcum
>>1033291>With the birth and development of socialist relations of production, new economic laws make their appearance and begin to operate: the basic economic law of socialism, the law of planned (proportional) development of the national economy, the law of steady increase in the productivity of labour, the law of distribution according to work, the law of socialist accumulation
China isn't doing any of this
>>1033280>anglo adhom>hysterical reaction and attempt to get a ban done on your argument partner>sectarian bait over alleged "anglos" as well as lgbt proles>lgbt culture war idpol, orientalist idpol, "anglo" idealism idpol
Okay. Demonstrate these. Quote me doing these and demonstrate which one is tantamount to which. Prove that I broke ToS to standard where you are not also banned.
>My sarcastic response to your posts also broke some of those rules however that's not why I gave you your 5 minute ban
Interesting! So the above are not bannable or reportable offenses! Curious that you would bring them up then!
>You were threatening making a report to browbeat someone you are arguing with and clearly what you were threatening to report was not "spam"
14c is basically spam, and mislabeling a report over a ToS breach SOMETHING YOU NOW HAVE ADMITTED THAT YOU DID is not a "false report". It's a correct report that's mislabeled.
Also a report cannot be false if it is not made. I did not make a report, false or otherwise, to your admitted breach of ToS.
Yet I was banned for NOT reporting YOUR breach of ToS.
Reasonable expectation. I may at some point when I am not exhausted.
>>1033295>Okay. Demonstrate these
>>1033294>the law of socialist accumulation
As a mod, you have to. If you can't demonstrate a breach of ToS, you can't ban, because if you can't demonstrate a breach of ToS, no such breach happened.
yeah I don't feel like elaborating since the anti-china fanatic is not even trying
>>1033294>the basic economic law of socialism<The essential features and requirements of the basic economic law of socialism are the securing of the maximum satisfaction of the constantly rising material and cultural requirements of the whole of society, through the continuous expansion and perfecting of production on the basis of higher techniques.
How is this not fulfilled?
>the law of planned (proportional) development of the national economy
China has 5 year plans (not in the scope of the USSR, that is true) and the theory of three represents is in its constitution. So again, how is this not true?
>the law of steady increase in the productivity of labour
This is also true, pic related (https://www.statista.com/statistics/878164/china-labor-productivity-per-hour/
>the law of distribution according to work
This is one that I don't know how you would actually measure, so let's say that this one is not fully fulfilled.
>the law of socialist accumulation
Again, how is this not true?
so no argument at all?
Because I agree with it, duh
>>1033307>China has 5 year plans
That's not a planned economy>This is also true, pic related
China is growing slower than if they had a planned socialist economy, even slower than the USSR under gorby, capitalism is not efficient steadily increasing the productivity of labour. Read Marx.>This is one that I don't know how you would actually measure, so let's say that this one is not fully fulfilled.
They don't have labour vouchers, they have literal land lords and rentier capital. It's the opposite of fulfilled.>Again, how is this not true?
It is capitalist accumulation, not socialist accumulation.
I have an argument why it's not true, yoy have nothing.
You offer no sources and present claims without any standing. Please provide at least partial proof of them.
>They don't have labour vouchers, they have literal land lords and rentier capital. It's the opposite of fulfilled.
I agreed with this one you dunce, but that doesn't mean that China is not socialist, just that it still has leftover contradicitons from capitalism during the construction of socialism.
>>1033325>You offer no sources and present claims without any standing. Please provide at least partial proof of them.
It's self evident to anyone acting in good faith
I am not going to provide you sources for basic definitions unless I feel like it. You can be incorrect if you want to
>>1033325>I agreed with this one you dunce
Okay so you are admitting what you said is false then, not to discredit everything else you are saying but that conclusion is an incorrect one.
Okay, next time don't bother replying. I opened up with a good faithed question and even provided what was the motivation of the question and you just go off saying "it's well know, it's true" etc.
Read marx before pretending to be a Marxist. It's on you to get eduacated about what yoy are talking about. No education no right to speak.
I have shown that China resolved several contradictions of capital, not all of them. The PRC is a dicatorship of the proletariat (pic related, link https://thenextrecession.wordpress.com/2021/07/01/chinese-communist-party-a-party-of-workers-or-capitalists/
) and is building socialism. It isn't a tick box, oh we have socialist accumulation tomorrow, or oh we'll just negate social relations over night. It's a process and you cannot back your claims up so they're gonna have to be dismissed.
Could you be exhausted in another thread, anglo?
Read the thread before replying retardo
btw I am going to kill you irl in like a legally actionable threat kind of way if you are implying that marxism should be free to "open interpretation" and it's anglo reverse orientalism to "police" marxist theory by suggesting certain terms and phrases refer to certain things in particular
No, this is the positivist checkbox. It is litteral anglo positivism, not even using that as an insult.
It's the understanding of communism not as a process but as a product, and an idea rather than a territory.
This kinda thinking is thoroughly debunked within Marxism in CotGP.
You have not in any meaningful way shown your claims to be true. If I was baiting and not asking this in good faith the bait would be more obvious. Either show camaraderie and explain to those that don't know why China isn't actually developing socialism or try not to shit up the thread.
>>1033336>have shown that China resolved several contradictions of capital, not all of them.
The PRC is a dicatorship of the proletariat
No.>(pic related, link)
you are disproving your own point>and is building socialism
lol>It isn't a tick box, oh we have socialist accumulation tomorrow
Yes it is>It's a process
a process of socialist development which China is not doing
The dude you replied to wasn't the one writing the checkbox you insect brain anglo
no + stop being an unpaid class cuck>>1033353
No sources. Don't reply if you're not gonna bother with sources.>>1033355
Those are from the book Political Economy which was published by the economics institute of the USSR, and I agree that writing out the necessary conditions to claim socialism is not marxist, but it's a guide, some basic things one can check.
>>1033360>I agree that writing out the necessary conditions to claim socialism is not marxist
Just how many times have you been molested or inducted into cults?
Literally, why are you so toxic? I see no reason for such behaviour, and you seem to be unable to talk about China without going in a frenzy
>>1033360>Don't reply if you're not gonna bother with sources.
You can't prove a negative shit for brains
Prove to me right this instant that Nepal or Sri Lanka aren't DotP's, with sources
>>1033367>Nepal or Sri Lanka aren't DotP
Do they claim to be?
Well that's easy. Neither Nepal or Sri Lanka have subjugated the capitalist class like China has. Now, you're gonna claim how China is actually ran by capitalists, but the anti-corruption movement + regular executions of capitalsts who step out of line shows otherwise. It is not the Soviet liquidation of class, but I don't see why the Soviet model is the only one acceptable.
Dengism is a toxic co-option of communism by the bourgeoisie endorsed by soon to be the most powerful anticommunist nation on Earth. Both America and China and every bourgeois dictatorship have rational selfish interest in portrating China as
2.the only achievable implementation of communism
You are doing their work for them for free, as a (presumable) prole. In my opinion dengism and the CPC present the gravest possible danger to leftism and Communism in a time when the whole Earth and human species is in great danger.
You are literally a pasty white anglo
silence potatopig anglo
based. see you in prison bestie
You're the one suggesting that China could develop faster by means of socialist development, without deindustrializing the West.
The world would look like venus if they did that. Talk about danger to humanity.
>>1033370>Dengism is a toxic co-option of communism by the bourgeoisie endorsed by soon to be the most powerful anticommunist nation on Earth.
What? What the fuck are you saying? How is the first part even true? The second is true to an extent but then again China is doing more to combat imperialism, the current objective main contradiction of capital.>>1033373
So the USSR wasn't real socialism now?
>>1033377>You're the one suggesting that China could develop faster by means of socialist development, without deindustrializing the West.
Yes.>The world would look like venus if they did that. Talk about danger to humanity.>the world would look like venus if everywhere was socialist
mask off malthusian uyghur.
Unlimited genocide of deng beetles.
>>1033369>the anti-corruption movement
Why was there corruption in the first place? What exactly do you think happens once Xi leaves office?>It is not the Soviet liquidation of class
No shit, because the proletariat are not in power to be able to exterminate their class enemy
Letting capitalists prosper and punishing them when they step out of line is literally just dirigisme
Having read a lot of early Christian sectarian screeds, this reads entirely like that.
Someone else has another opinion on my emotional crutch and as such they're a bigger threat than the litteral empire we live inside.
This is one of many ways in which western Marxism is deeply informed by Christianity.
>>1033380<the world would look like venus if everywhere was socialist
Quote me saying that.
What I said was that if China and the US competed directly in a race to who could develop faster industrially and as such dominate the world, yeah, the world would turn to a cinder.
It's not "combating imperialism" when you're just trying to expand your influence in a world already conquered by US porky. What happens when America finally shits itself and China is left with no competition, do you think?
>>1033387>What happens when America finally shits itself and China is left with no competition, do you think?
Then america shits itself and there is no world hegemon.
white anglo dengists try not to orientalize challenge IMPOSSIBLE
the hegemony will be Chinese or at least the interests of Chinese capital and the PRC state will attempt it, it's the rational position for any capitalist world power
>>1033369>Neither Nepal or Sri Lanka have subjugated the capitalist class like China has
Now, you're gonna claim how China is actually ran by capitalists
Lmfao, of course
All those new available markets will definitely not be exploited by the national bourgeoisie now free to do as they wish. As we all now, imperialism is a thing anglos do, not an economic inevitability under capitalism and objectively in the best interests of the bourgeoisie class
Demonstrate the orientalism.
Mods really need a regular purge of this thread, these anti-Deng shitposters are silly. There's nothing wrong with disagreeing with the Chinese path to socialism (they call it that, I don't care about you feeling like it's exactly what they claim) but then you should be able to reason and prove at least partially your claims. I'm open to changing my mind, you should be too.>>1033381>Why was there corruption in the first place?
Well, it has been clearly inherited from some capitalist relations which were allowed to develop between Mao and Xi.>What exactly do you think happens once Xi leaves office?
Let me consult the oracle haha. But seriously, worst case scenarios revisionsts or full on capitalist take over the CPC and lead it to ruin. Best case scenario, the purges become a regular thing until socialist relations stabilize.
>Letting capitalists prosper and punishing them when they step out of line is literally just dirigisme
Okay, sure. But why cannot it be that the proletariat is allowing capitalists to actually fully understand the social and economical way of capitalism? Like, Lenin said in the NEP (yes yes, the NEP was a short thing, but why can't China explore a longer NEP?)>Get down to business, all of you! You will have capitalists beside you, including foreign capitalists, concessionaires and leaseholders. They will squeeze profits out of you amounting to hundreds per cent; they will enrich themselves, operating alongside of you. Let them. Meanwhile you will learn from them the business of running the economy, and only when you do that will you be able to build up a communist republic. Since we must necessarily learn quickly, any slackness in this respect is a serious crime. And we must undergo this training, this severe, stern and sometimes even cruel training, because we have no other way out.>>1033387
But Chinese "imperialism" is not even imperialism in the Leninist sense. What happens after America collapses? Again, how can I look into the future. I see that China is offering better deals to developing nations. Hospitals, road, ports, railways etc. I don't see extraction of resources like the capitalist powers have done, nor do I see China stealing (if I recall correctly) some 60% production of gold like France is doing from its colonies. It's developing productive forces of the third world so they don't stay under foreign capitalist opression and actually can come to at least a bourgeoisie-nationalist revolution.>>1033389>le hand shaking>>1033392
Huh? Nepal is just parlamentarism with red colors.>>1033395
Prove your claim.
>>1033385>Quote me saying that
Naw you said if China became socialist without America deindustrializing
>>1033399>le hand shaking
I don't give a fuck if you in particular are being intentionally obdurate, my point is obvious to anyone here in good faith
Right but China has lots of competition, like The EU, Russia, ASEAN.
Defeating the old hegemon doesn't establish a new hegemony.
China might try to establish that, but they don't just automatically get that.
>>1033399>they call it that
The Chinese bourgeoisie call it that, not the Chinese communists (who are illegal and repressed by the Chibese state)
Stalin did not fund the muhadjidiheen or duterte, or Unita or countless other literal anti-communists
Stalin funded the Nazis and the KMT (after the Shanghai masscre too).
Also China cut ties with UNITA at the onset of the Civil War.
>But very brief definitions, although convenient, for they sum up the main points, are nevertheless inadequate, since we have to deduce from them some especially important features of the phenomenon that has to be defined. And so, without forgetting the conditional and relative value of all definitions in general, which can never embrace all the concatenations of a phenomenon in its full development, we must give a definition of imperialism that will include the following five of its basic features:
>(1) the concentration of production and capital has developed to such a high stage that it has created monopolies which play a decisive role in economic life;
>(2) the merging of bank capital with industrial capital, and the creation, on the basis of this “finance capital,” of a financial oligarchy;
>(3) the export of capital as distinguished from the export of commodities acquires exceptional importance;
>(4) the formation of international monopolist capitalist associations which share the world among themselves and
>(5) the territorial division of the whole world among the biggest capitalist powers is completed.
>Imperialism is capitalism at that stage of development at which the dominance of monopolies and finance capital is established; in which the export of capital has acquired pronounced importance; in which the division of the world among the international trusts has begun, in which the division of all territories of the globe among the biggest capitalist powers has been completed.
(1) is true for China, but then again Lenin summarized socialism as monopoly capitalism + DoTP, which China (until proven otherwise) has established.
(2) partially true, a leftover contradiction which will either be resolved or lead to ruin of the PRC
(3) where does China export capital? Which banks operate like the IMF or similar?
(4) Eh… I don't know about this one
(5) this is true, but it has been true already in 1917.
So again, how is China imperialist?
>>1033399>Well, it has been clearly inherited from some capitalist relations which were allowed to develop between Mao and Xi.
He's starting to get it>But why cannot it be that the proletariat is allowing capitalists to actually fully understand the social and economical way of capitalism
The proletariat cannot liberate itself without eliminating their class enemies you actual retard, the Chinese proles didn't fuck themselves over of their own intention.>b-b-b-but NEP
Russia's economy was completely decimated by essentially World War 1.5, and the NEP only allowed small enterprises, China opened up of their own volition and explictly acknowledge their own national bourgeoisie. They are not comparable.>Okay, sure.
Glad we agree SWCC is just dirigisme, I guess we're done here.>Mods really need a regular purge of this thread, these anti-Deng shitposters are silly.>I'm open to changing my mind, you should be too.
LMFAO cry me a river
America started off by competing with the British Empire and the USSR and look where they ended up. China would need a comparable competitor but even then capital has shown itself more than willing to just up and move to China when the profit motives are higher and peer competition between capitalist superpowers often just means extremely bloody war up to world war
Have you ever spoken with a Chinese communist my man
>>1033399>Huh? Nepal is just parlamentarism with red colors.
Yep, ultra confirmed. Go have a revolution in your own country before you judge people in the Global South doing your work for you, anglo.
Starting to get what? Why do you retards believe that socialism can develop over night? Contradictions stay and are resolved, capitalism wasn't established in a day. I'm asking, why CAN'T a NEP like policy last more than a decade? Socialism was destroyed in the USSR because of some internal contradiction they failed to resolve. Chinese socialism cannot be the same as the Soviet one, so why can't China explore a long NEP? Do you disagree with the quote by Lenin? Could Lenin not have been mistaken on the duration of the NEP needed to fully learn capitalist social relations and production so the contradictions of the same can actually be correctly resolved? Holy shit, you anti-Dengist are like broken records, dogmatist idiots.>>1033414>anecdote>>1033416
Bad faith baiter, fuck off.
NTA, but I did. He was proud of their socialist system.
Yeah the americans absorbed the British empire, and also established the petro-dollar after decades of having been the world's capital center.
It's very unlikely that China could pull off the same trick even if they wanted to.
>>1033417>why CAN'T a NEP like policy last more than a decade?
Because I'm an anglo and anything that isn't immediately transforming into full communism in the third world is hurting my sensibilities.
Look up all the Chinese communists and labour activists arrested by the state. Only a very narrow line of bpurgeois politics is allowe in China. It is similar or perhaps even more severe than in America
Actually, if it WAS dirigisme, it is a step in the right direction from anarchy of production under usual capitalist. FFS even Lenin admitted it's better to have a state capitalist economy than a free market one. It seems like it all comes down to the question if the Chinese are actually sincere in their claims about Socialism by 2035 or 2050, w/e, but so far I have seen minimal evidence to believe that it's just a century and a half long ploy.
>>1033417>why CAN'T a NEP like policy last more than a decade?
Because that is maintaining a capitalist system longer than absolutely necessary and risking counter revolution
>>1033417>Socialism was destroyed in the USSR because of some internal contradiction they failed to resolve.
What a great, indepth analysis. LMAO>Why do you retards believe that socialism can develop over night?
Go read what Socialism by 2050 entails, apparently one century is not enough to even get rid of their own national bourgeoisie>But NEP…
Not comparable lmao, it's not "a longer NEP" if it is literally indefinite. Is USA doing a long NEP? Prove they aren't
>>1033422>FFS even Lenin admitted it's better to have a state capitalist economy than a free market one
Where and why?
>>1033422>Actually, if it WAS dirigisme, it is a step in the right direction from anarchy of production under usual capitalist
And the mask is off
Thank you dengoids
>>1033423>>1033423>Because that is maintaining a capitalist system longer than absolutely necessary and risking counter revolution
How is it no longer necessary? What's the alternative?
the altwrnative is socialism
Is this the Maoist-Thatcherite again lmfao
What in real terms does it mean to "do a socialism". What is China supposed to be doing?
>>1033423>>1033424>Prove they aren't
Is the USA actually the massive scale of infrastructure development China is? Is the USA actually helping remote villages with exporting their goods to the rest of the country? Is the USA tackling systemic poverty? Education? Healthcare? Science?>>1033426>>1033427 >State capitalism would be a step forward as compared with the present state of affairs in our Soviet Republic. If in approximately six months’ time state capitalism became established in our Republic, this would be a great success and a sure guarantee that within a year socialism will have gained a permanently firm hold and will have become invincible in this country.https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1921/apr/21.htm>>1033427
But fascism didn't do any planning, they just left the bourgeoisie to their own thing.>>1033424>What a great, indepth analysis. LMAO
What analysis have you offered? The contradiction in the USSR was not fully understanding capitalist social relations, letting them develop discretly and taking over the country. Good enough? I claim that because socialism built by the USSR was just Stalin and party claiming so, they said that it was socialism and that's it. How could they have know what an emerging production stage actually was? That's not to disparage their advancment, they clearly noted what the basic laws of socialism were.>Go read what Socialism by 2050 entails, apparently one century is not enough to even get rid of their own national bourgeoisie
And? Is socialism a process or an event?
I am going to shrink down george shrinks style super tiny and climb into your father's urethra and up into his brainstem and then I am going to compell him to slap you and send you to your room with a copy of the communist manifesto for babbis
"China" isn't supposed to be doing anything since they are not a revolutionary subject but a capitalist country like any other, the proles
of China should be doing what proles of all countries should be doing, building class power. if you need any more elaboration than this, you are an anti-communist
Not an answer. What is China supposed to be doing right now?
Anti-Dengists really need to start proving things instead of claiming things. You're really sounding like ultra-leftists at this point.
>>1033435>the proles of China should be doing what proles of all countries should be doing, building class power.
Interesting! How does your criticisms, as a westerner within the west, accomplish this?
What does "building class power" mean in realistic terms for the Chinese masses right now?
>>1033440>also China's healthcare is not all that different from the US's my man lmao
It has universal healthcare, wtf are you smoking?
And your post is just pure cope, there's a difference in socialist development without adventurism (China) and the anarchy of production (America)
>>1033432>Is the USA actually the massive scale of infrastructure development China is?
They were during the cold war
Is the USA actually helping remote villages with exporting their goods to the rest of the country?
To the same extent China is yes>Is the USA tackling systemic poverty?
They were during the cold war>Education?
They were during the cold war>Healthcare?
They were during the cold war>Science?
Theybwere during the cold war
I'm not a westerner
Post passport you self-hating anglo retard
all the capitalists kill themselves and the CPC hand over power to workers transitionary councils and nationalize all private assets so the workers can reapropriate them for developing socialism
Eat my shit ultra. Prove USA is not socialist.
How does your criticisms from the semiperiphery accomplish this?
You only prove that during socialist construction the national bourgeoisie of capitalist countries has to make more concessions to the working class to keep them content and not wish for socialist revolution.>>1033448
I am gonna ultra kiss your dad on the mouth faggot
You're on an albanian bunker-building forum
None of your posts or anyone else's for that matter contribute to socialism, it's a fucking shitpost board>masses
I said proles
>>1033447>all the capitalists kill themselves and the CPC hand over power to workers transitionary councils and nationalize all private assets so the workers can reapropriate them for developing socialism
Interesting. What will every other nation in the world including China's current allies do if this happens?
>>1033450>You only prove that during socialist construction the national bourgeoisie of capitalist countries has to make more concessions to the working class to keep them content and not wish for socialist revolution.
Sousing your logic here like how you are claiming China is developing? Why isn't America doing that again then?
>>1033455>What will every other nation in the world including China's current allies do if this happens?
Try to put the current government back in power instead of those rowdy proles
>>1033443>It has universal healthcare, wtf are you smoking?
Lmao no it literally does not. Fucking Canada is more socialist than China then.
right so we just ignore the reality of absolute siege by every other nation in the world?
Good luck with that.
socialism is an ancient Roman tradition
>>1033461>Try to put the current government back in power instead of those rowdy proles
More likely the KMT, but yes indeed, that project would immediately shit itself and die.
Yes, I completely agree. The current main contradiction is not class struggle, but national struggle. The classes just need to collaborate to keep the country strong.
the seige will NEVER break unless there is worldwide socialist revolution
Gesturing at orthodoxy does not an argument make, buddy.
We can't just ignore what would realistically happen if we do something.
>>1033466>More likely the KMT
But they are already in power
Pre-Chiang KMT, that is
We're literally agreeing
We are all going to fucking die like for real if there is not worldwide socialist revolution
Okay, good question. I'll reason like this: when the USSR and USA were in open competition, the USSR had to waste too much money on weapons to protect themselves, moreover an open competition requires you to either consistently beat your opponent and the measure of success would be in terms of capitalist social relations (these don't stop existing after 20 years from constructing socialism) means less obvious successes to the masses, which leads to unrest and opportunism like what happened with the USSR.
China on the other hand never claimed open economic warfare and is happy building their own socialism, with which their people are happy with (90% party approval rate from western observers), hence if the USA claimed competition without the other side not seeing it like that, it's not really a competition. Why was China able to do this? I honestly believe that the bourgeoisie was fooled by China's right path. Hillary claimed as much, they were fooled. Now they're trying to make a synthetic war, but the internal contradictions inside the USA are to extreme for them to realize this.>>1033462>Healthcare in China has undergone basic changes over the course of the twentieth century and twenty-first centuries, making use of both public and private medical institutions and insurance programs. As of 2020, about 95% of the population has at least basic health insurance coveragehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_China
Yes yes, glowiepedia. Sources at the bottom.
>>1033470>the seige will NEVER break unless there is worldwide socialist revolution
True and as such the Chinese masses are deeply depending on say, the masses in the imperial core to get their shit together before transitioning into higher stage communism is even an option.
either nukes, or climate change, or whatever bourgeois insanity
China will never let that happen willingly
>>1033479>transitioning into higher stage communism
It was never in the CPC's radar to do this
And are you fucking implying they are ALREADY in lower-stage communism you actual bonobo LMFAO
>>1033478>>Healthcare in China has undergone basic changes over the course of the twentieth century and twenty-first centuries, making use of both public and private medical institutions and insurance programs. As of 2020, about 95% of the population has at least basic health insurance coverage
That is not universal healthcare
okay so? It doesn't matter if China is willing to let that happen or not, it's not even an option before an organized western left exists.
>>1033487>it's not even an option before an organized western left exists
Absolutely it is. You are literally doing 3rd worldism right now but for an entirely different excuse for why "le third world can't into socialism"
So what are you doing to organize the western left, friend? Asking as a non-westerner
Also, it's no longer 1914 where only the western european countries were industrialized
>>1033489>Absolutely it is.
How? What's to prevent that absolute siege we were just talking about if not a well-organized western left?
What's to prevent absolute siege on the western left if not a well-organized eastern left
>>1033492>So what are you doing to organize the western left, friend? Asking as a non-westerner
More than you
And what is that exactly?
What's to prevent that happening in any country other than China that has a socialist revolution? The seige is a necessary part of building socialism, as is going against the grain.
eh not so much, eastern powers have much less power. Westerners realistically don't have to worry about siege as much.
Also I'm not sure how I should be organizing the western left as someone not from the west but whatever I guess lmao
not gonna do myself
>>1033499>What's to prevent that happening in any country other than China that has a socialist revolution? The seige is a necessary part of building socialism, as is going against the grain.
True. This is why socialism in one country is ultimately impossible.
except for from China or say Atlanticist sattelites if America is still capitalist
I can't tell, is this the dengoid anon finally stumbling onto a useful realization?
I agree which is why it is necessary to export it (and not export anticommunism like China has been doing)
>>1033512>export anticommunism like China
I have listed so many fucking examples, have you in particular just not seen them?
No I get it, you are singlehandedly organizing the western proletariat by policing random posters on a mongolian throat-singing forum, I understand
In his 1915 article On the Slogan for a United States of Europe, Lenin had written:
Uneven economic and political development is an absolute law of capitalism. Hence, the victory of socialism is possible first in several or even in one capitalist country alone. After expropriating the capitalists and organising their own socialist production, the victorious proletariat of that country will arise against the rest of the world.
In January 1918, Lenin wrote:
I know that there are, of course, sages who think they are very clever and even call themselves Socialists, who assert that power should not have been seized until the revolution had broken out in all countries. They do not suspect that by speaking in this way they are deserting the revolution and going over to the side of the bourgeoisie. To wait until the toiling classes bring about a revolution on an international scale means that everybody should stand stock-still in expectation. That is nonsense.
Good luck doing that from one country.>>1033511
My arguments has always hinged upon that. There is no world communist movement to help out China, so there are no alternatives for it.
>>1033519>the victorious proletariat of that country will arise against the rest of the world.
btw you cannot claim China is ready to take on the world, yet. Why didn't the USSR go into open warfare with the rest of the capitalist world? Was the USSR also not real socialism?
>>1033520>There is no world communist movement to help out China
Why would the world communist movement help out China? Are you referring to the Chinese proles?
>>1033523>Why didn't the USSR go into open warfare with the rest of the capitalist world? Was the USSR also not real socialism?
They betrayed socialism yes, and they fell into national chauvinism, capitalist restoration, and eventual complete counter revolution
Well I don't agree that these quotes apply to the modern conditions of the world. I don't think what he is suggesting here is possible today.
so socialism is impossible? communism is impossible in your view?
>>1033519>1917 (pre revolution)>1918
What happened after that I wonder, surely the Bolsheviks put their hopes in the German Revolution for no reason at all
also>After expropriating the capitalists and organising their own socialist production, the victorious proletariat of that country will arise against the rest of the world
China is literally not even close to any of this lmao
>>1033526>Why would the world communist movement help out China? Are you referring to the Chinese proles?
So the scenario you posed is one where the Chinese workers transitioned to a decommodified socialist economy. That is the scenario I'm discussing with you here.
To say that there are no alternatives is not to say that there could never be any alternatives. Time will tell.
But it is true that under the current unipolar moment no one country could transition to a fully socialist economy. The preconditions aren't there. In that sense yes, communism is currently impossible.
>>1033540>Time will tell.
What time will tell? Just wait and see if China can eventually start to build socialism? It's not a problem to say so but then I don't understand why call yourself a aocialist or a marxist or a communist?
If only there was a time when the world was multipolar with a huge socialist camp
I wonder what China would do in that situation
Let me remind you that, if the USSR wasn't so autistic about its approach being the only correct to socialism, Yugoslavia and hence most of the non-alligned pact would have stayed in the socialist camp. Same with China.
>>1033543>What time will tell?
Time will tell when and how communism will be made possible. Sure, maybe China is able to do it on it's own. Maybe the multipolar moment enables it. Maybe the western and second-world masses make movements that change the equation.
Time will tell.
>>1033553>maybe China is able to do it on it's own
my uygha literally basing his stance on China on his own imagination
Okay I wanna reply to this because a lot of dengists have like a victims complex over China as some homogenous entity. There was a strong marxist opposition in China that wanted a planned socialist economy oriented towards communism and solidarity with other socialist countries, they were dissidents of the faction of capitalist revisitionist counter-revolutionaries that won out in the CPC and other organs of the PRC.
I wonder if some other socialist power's foreign policies and approaches to Stalin might have informed that somewhat.
Yugoslavia and China had their own capitalist deviations from the beginning but yeah USSR was overly controlling and even chauvinistic at times so it is their fault in large part.
The great and authentic revolutionaries of the world are two: Nixon and Carter. But Nixon's past shows that Mr. President has always been against revisionism and national chauvinism
How are companies who break environmental regulations or withhold the dangerous aspects of new chemicals punished in China?
Well said comrade.
I've seen people say otherwise recently, so I'll clarify China has universal abortion access and the only restriction it has on abortion is if it is based on sex of the fetus.
As far as I can tell, this misinformation is based on translation of the word "reduce" in a policy document lying out guidelines encouraging other forms of birth control so as to "reduce" the need for abortions as birth control, because it is not an ideal method. In this case, "reduce" was translated to "restrict", but this is not an ambiguous translation. It's simply wrong. Chinese liberals lying basically. Chinese law does not view abortion as a moral conundrum.
Leftoids who have rallied behind intractably and categorically anti-communist movements (e.g. HK) simply because they are anti-China are forced to adopt this bizarro world view.
Where are they "exporting anticommunism" again?
Like, where are they formenting capitalist insurrection against communist systems? What do you even mean by "exporting anti-communism"?
It's not a task. He's correct. There was no concept of homosexuality or heterosexuality– not just in other parts of the world, but in the Western world as well, before the invention of them in the modern era as late as the middle of the 19th century, theoretically emerging from victorian era obsession with sexual behaviors.
European colonization of the world effectively destroyed the cultural norms and sexual ethics existing in places outside the West. It is also true that those pre-existing norms would be considered progressive norms today, because progress on sexual norms in the West is actually a reversion to state before the construction of sexuality and pathologization of sexuality. This backwards movement is contained within the term deconstruction.
>>1033178>LGBT rights are not inherently American let alone the product of the American bourgeoisie. What the fuck is this supposed to mean?
There is extensive academic work on this subject which explores in detail the construction of sexuality in the West, and the concept of LGBT and really "sexuality" itself is a VERY recent invention.
>>1033478>Okay, good question.
And imcomplete answer.
u.s. isolated from the economic development the USSR, and the USSR was more severly damaged from WWI than the u.s. or many European countries.
While China had also a devastated economy, they weren't santionec at all, and the u.s. just take an opportunity with the sino-soviet split.
China in fact, was enemy of the u.s. during the korean war, and was also being pushed like the USSR until the split.>>1033456
The photo is getting old, like do you have to dust it before post it?. Do you have anything new? because the west has a lot of much newer pictures
Reminds me the picture of the wagner group founder circulating over and over again while Russia publishes daily nazi soliders, officials, comanders, etc. captured with hundred of tattoos with swastikas, and the radlibs only repost the same picture over and over again.
https://www.reuters.com/world/refile-us-aims-raise-200-bln-part-g7-rival-chinas-belt-road-2022-06-26/G7 aims to raise $600 billion to counter China's Belt and Road>U.S. President Joe Biden and other G7 leaders relaunched the newly renamed "Partnership for Global Infrastructure and Investment," at their annual gathering being held this year at Schloss Elmau in southern Germany.<Biden said the United States would mobilize $200 billion in grants, federal funds and private investment over five years to support projects in low- and middle-income countries that help tackle climate change as well as improve global health, gender equity and digital infrastructure.>"I want to be clear. This isn't aid or charity. It's an investment that will deliver returns for everyone," Biden said, adding that it would allow countries to "see the concrete benefits of partnering with democracies."<Biden said hundreds of billions of additional dollars could come from multilateral development banks, development finance institutions, sovereign wealth funds and others.>Europe will mobilize 300 billion euros for the initiative over the same period to build up a sustainable alternative to China's Belt and Road Initiative scheme, which Chinese President Xi Jinping launched in 2013, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen told the gathering.<The leaders of Italy, Canada and Japan also spoke about their plans, some of which have already been announced separately. French President Emmanuel Macron and British Prime Minister Boris Johnson were not present, but their countries are also participating.
China's investment scheme involves development and programs in over 100 countries aimed at creating a modern version of the ancient Silk Road trade route from Asia to Europe.>White House officials said the plan has provided little tangible benefit for many developing countries.<Biden highlighted several flagship projects, including a $2 billion solar development project in Angola with support from the Commerce Department, the U.S. Export-Import Bank, U.S. firm AfricaGlobal Schaffer, and U.S. project developer Sun Africa.>Together with G7 members and the EU, Washington will also provide $3.3 million in technical assistance to Institut Pasteur de Dakar in Senegal as it develops an industrial-scale flexible multi-vaccine manufacturing facility in that country that can eventually produce COVID-19 and other vaccines, a project that also involves the EU.<The U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) will also commit up to $50 million over five years to the World Bank’s global Childcare Incentive Fund.>Friederike Roder, vice president of the non-profit group Global Citizen, said the pledges of investment could be "a good start" toward greater engagement by G7 countries in developing nations and could underpin stronger global growth for all.>G7 countries on average provide only 0.32% of their gross national income, less than half of the 0.7% promised, in development assistance, she said.<"But without developing countries, there will be no sustainable recovery of the world economy," she said.
>>1035787>$600 billion to counter China's Belt and Road
now silly, 600 B for them is less than a small fraction of the failed f35 program, and still is insignificant to counter the belt and road.
Also, little too late.
There has never been a lack of "investment" options from the west. China's loans are just better than the western alternatives, they also provide cheaper and better infrastructure services. I don't see how western firms can compete with chinese ones.
>>1032931>Okay but why is China still censoring it?
Idk mate. I'm "pro-China" whatever that means and gay. I don't really know much about China like other posters here, but my impression is that censors have a stick up their ass and mostly made of old people who should gtfo.
All the censorship system seems like it needs to be revamped, although I think it does more good than bad, even if it does bad. IMO Disney movies have way more dangerous brainworms than two women kissing or whatever it was.
>>1035793>I don't see how western firms can compete with chinese ones.
Probably by banning competition. A development fund meant to "counter" another development fund doesn't make any sense, conceptually. 1.) why are you trying to "counter" development funds? 2.) how does one "counter" by offering more development funds?
Pretty obvious they will just make loans conditional on blocking Chinese investment.
But the chinese do it for a looot cheaper though. It would have to be a hell of a loan and historically we know the west doesn't give the best conditions to put it mildly.
I think the colonialist legacy of the west is at play here. They can only see Africa as colonies. The chinese are willing to make mutually beneficial agreements. The west just seethes that the stupid africans can't see the ploys of the scheeming chinese, but they just offer better deals.
Commies forcing capitalists to do shit lol. If that 600 billion does anything to industrialize the third world, it will hurt the imperial core anyways.
PORKY YOU CAN'T WIN HAHAHAHA
this, holy fuck, i cant wait for the third world industrialization to pop off
They're not going to do that. Look at where they are directing money in that article– it's not towards industrialization. It's the same playbook used for decades on Africa. They're going to dump money into so-called human capital development and various NGO friendly bs that sounds wonderful, but doesn't yield things like "factories".
It says it right there, the purpose of the fund:
>help tackle climate change as well as improve global health, gender equity and digital infrastructure.
So this isn't going to include ports or roads, nor will it include agricultural mechanization or industrial tooling. It's going be expensive social programs, telcos and solar and wind at greater cost.
I wish this was great news, but honestly it's not.
Poor countries funding domestic social programs with foreign loans is probably up there among most failed economic ideas.
>>1035857>take a loan from us so you can afford us meddling in your country's institutions
Damn that sounds really tempting
Really tough choice choosing between that and real material growth
So those countries that ally with the BRI will grow strong, and those that take the other package will keep being slaves to Western imperialism.
Here's a memorandum from the WH with more details.
This anon >>1035857
isn't wrong to be skeptical but I do think that Porky realizes that they have to compete with China if they don't want to be locked out of their source of cheap labour and resources forever.
There's 55 mentions of the term 'infrastructure' plus they call out the infrastructure gap itself. Maybe they are just bullshitting though, this isn't the first time the West has claimed to have an alternative to BRI ready to go implying China/BRI isn't itself the alternative to the IMF etc
, BBB was claimed to be it as well as the now forgotten Blue Dot Network
It's worse than you think. I've worked in World Bank projects before and they are corrupt from top to bottom. I would dare say that such Westoid help initiatives lose 30% of the total budget to different forms of corruption (overcharging, the cost of incompetence caused by nepotism, fictitious costs being introduced into the ledger, etc.). Put on top of that 20% of the total budget going to the legitimate bureaucracy and administration of these projects, and you are already at 50% of the budget being swallowed up by the supposed aid givers. Mind you, this can reach 80-90% with private "philanthropic orgs."
And then look at the help offered:>>1035857>tackle climate change
which means they will be offered a dozen US or German built wind turbines and like 50 solar cells;>improve global health
which means they'll get discounts on certain medicines – the difference literally landing into big pharma pockets to compensate them for the loss in profits;>gender equity
12 NGO positions will be offered of for 4 years in the capital city. They'll probably do blogs, videos, an online newspaper, join in or start a gaypride org;>and digital infrastructure
They offer up 100-500 computers for rural populations, or alternatively, they pay one of the G7 ISPs to build the infrastructure for internet access in rural parts, then just be the ISP for those people – for profit.
There's your "help." Half the money going down the drains, and the other half of the budget going into the pockets of G7 multinational companies…
Now compare this to China building Africans ports, roads, railroads, dams, offering them cheap but high quality phones as Xiaomi & Huawei, training political parties on how to resist imperialism and deal with their own corruption, offering training and education in these countries, etc. basically constantly leaving behind tangible results.
>>1035881>There's 55 mentions of the term 'infrastructure'
laying down internet cables to a population that can't afford your prices is 'infrastructure'
building hospitals you can't staff is 'infrastucture'
giving you a dozen solar cells is 'infrastructure'
>>1032931>Okay but why is China still censoring it?
Because each state has their own right to self-determination?
Look, Singapur restricted the movie to AGE 16 only, but you see wikipedia mentioning Singapur?https://www.163.com/dy/article/H9U2756505371E5Q.html
lol no. Because China le bad, Middle East country le bad, etc., (mostly because of M.E. is allying with China as oil suppliers without any fear, embracing the Belt and Road Initiative). I haven't checked in African dictatorships, but I bet all you want a handful of them also forbid the movie. U
u.s. focus its propaganda selectively, and people that forgets about self-determination just blindly run towards them.
That doesn't answer their question.
It does. Oh, you wanted the reason behind the self-determination? Ask them. It's like they have to give any rats reason behind the self-determination reason. Like the west loves to give reasons on why they love to kill brown people abroad.>>1036012
Silly, dummy, you can still watch it legally on website streaming:https://baike.baidu.com/reference/55478579/4524i-H3N6GfkXwfpWUPWmiJSAERWZxRqLB7dWfGYJYhXHq00IbPMwUO0nTtniX1VuMNc-KYVRY8-9g1ui___0JpJggCdEE
>>1035827>loans conditional on blocking Chinese investment
This has to be it, it makes no sense any other way. China's trying to do to Africa and all these countries it's giving loans and building infrastructure to what America did to China, i.e. build them up into a complementary trading partner. America and its lackeys are threatened by this because it signals China moving up in the economic pecking order, and all this garbage propaganda about debt traps make no sense in view of Chinese self-interest. The only way to "counter" Belt and Road other than helping developing the trade links that would only strengthen China would be to condition Western aid on isolation from China.
Many people have answered the question, you just think China needs to adhere to whatever moral standard the west has currently settled on.
The more disney movies a person watches the freer they are. We need to bring disney movies to evil eastern autocratic regimes.
<Earlier generations of Western scholars often regarded nonheterosexual desires, identities, and intimacies in Chinese-speaking contexts as marginalized, stigmatized, and silenced, if not completely invisible, in mainstream mediascapes and pop cultural spaces. However, in contemporary Chinese and Sinophone contexts, queer practices, images, and narratives voiced, either explicitly or implicitly, by media producers, performers, and consumers or fans who do not necessarily self-identify as LGBTQ are common and even proliferating. These manifestations of queer Chinese media and pop culture are diverse and widespread in both online and offline spaces. In the new millennium, with the rise of queer Asian, queer Chinese, and queer Sinophone studies, scholars have strived to move away from Euro-American-centric and Japanese-centric queer media studies and theories when examining queer Chinese-language media and cultural productions. In particular, a growing body of scholarship (in fields such as literary studies, cinema and television studies, and fan studies) has explored intersecting ways of reconceptualizing “queerness” and “Chineseness” to examine gender, sexual, and sociocultural minority cultures in Chinese-language public and pop cultural spaces. Some of the literature has usefully traced the history of the concepts “homosexuality” and “tongzhi” (comrade) in modern and contemporary China, as well as the transcultural transmission and mutations of the meanings of the English term “queer” (ku’er) in Chinese media studies. Differentiating these concepts helps clarify the theorization of and scholarly debates surrounding queer Chinese media and pop culture in the 21st century. A number of scholars have also troubled the meaning and the essentialized identity of “Chineseness” through a queer lens while decolonizing and de-Westernizing queer Chinese media and pop cultural studies. In addition, post-2010 scholarship has paid major attention to Chinese media censorship and regulations (with a close focus on the context of mainland China/the People’s Republic of China/PRC) concerning homosexual and queer content production, circulation, and consumption and how these have been circumvented in both traditional and online media spaces.
>>1036175>In addition, post-2010 scholarship has paid major attention to Chinese media censorship and regulations (with a close focus on the context of mainland China/the People’s Republic of China/PRC) concerning homosexual and queer content production, circulation, and consumption and how these have been circumvented in both traditional and online media spaces.
I.e. it has been fully transformed in anti-CCP polemicism.
goddamnit they'll win again, won't they?
if a country doesn't accept they'll just deploy some "peacekeepers" or a shiny new color revolution
They're probably not going to actually commit that much money, Biden was adamant in his announcement that the goal was extractive imperialism and not charity, and if it's really just going to go to social programs and shit it will just wreck economies.
>>1036313>homosexual and queer content
So China's socially conservative, like the rest of East and Southeast Asia except for the fake country "Taiwan". So is Russia as well as the regions of the Middle East and Africa, South America. So what? Any attempts to shame or coerce any of these countries into behaving or accepting otherwise would literally be anti-democratic, no?
>>1036084>Oh, you wanted the reason behind the self-determination?
Nobody asked for this. Take a step back from the keyboard. You're taking a tangent and speaking only to yourself. >>1036171>you just think China needs to adhere to whatever moral standard the west has currently settled on.
No. You're making excuses for chinese censors to censor western queer content seemingly disapproving specifically of the display of queer behavior. >The more disney movies a person watches the freer they are. We need to bring disney movies to evil eastern autocratic regimes.
No, retard. Disney movies aren't censored. Only specifically the queer bits, like the stupid fucking kiss in that buzz movie. Every second of western ideology of that movie is allowed to be published and distributed in China, except that tiny kiss scene, which is a second long.
Extremely dishonest. >>1036193
See above, retard.>>1036175
Good article. It is mostly about mapping queer media in China. It mentions in passing the general attitude as well as state attitude of queer people. China decriminalized homosexuality and homosexual activity in 1997 and de-pathologized it in 2001.
There are debates and scandals related to the old way of thinking, including pathologization to this day. There is state-sanction conservatism with regards to queer behavior in some places, which leads to public outcry across the country.
Further, most chinese people older than 40 have way more conservative attitude regarding queer behavior than those under 30. The attitude is quickly changing. As in the west, there is still lots of stigma and shame attached even if younger people accept it more. Also, different regions accept queer behavior to different degrees.
The orientalist attitude of waving it away and claiming China is based because it censors western LGBT is entirely dishonest and despicable tbh. The state censors specifically as well as older people in general have conservative and foolish beliefs and conservative values that are not befit to well studied communists. It is an issue that is changing slowly for the better although western-style ideas of the acceptance of queerness have become more common, which are somewhat toxic, but possibly a necessary moment in the development of queer acceptance under capitalist relations (but that's another topic).
China is not a monolith, the people there are not all studied marxists, the state censors have issues with conservatism, it is a developing issue. China in general has terrible issues regarding holdovers from previous generations which haunt chinese people, especially older people, and cause torment especially with young educated people, today. Remember that the Chinese government just recently decriminalized and depatholigzed queer behavior. Things take time to change, even when it seems that China is doing it relatively quickly.
No one is talking about forcing the Chinese people to do anything. Social conservatism in this case is coercion based on moral standards that come from feudal times and are in general oppressive, which also imply the subjugation of classes of people. As communists we strive for the emancipation of people from unnecessary oppression and subjugation.
Nobody here is demanding China do X, well except maybe the anti-china OP thatbrought this up in the first place. The question is why does the Chinese government engage in this type of censorship. It is up to chinese comrades to engage in the struggles they deem worth in China.
Don't make excuses for socially conservative behavior.
Some Polish lib woman on Twitter lives in China but won't stop posting about Dobbs. She doesn't live in the US, and she's not a USian. And she lives in China, where abortion is fully legally and she and all women there have full, free and easy abortion access. But you wouldn't know that, and you would think her rights just got revoked by SCOTUS.
The reality is that the country she lives in is actually more liberal and grants more reproductive rights to women than the US does.
But liberals are not capable of appreciating, or even recognizing this fact. They get really mad about it and start denying it, talking about the one child policy, which is gone forever and never coming back. Why is that we do not find liberals saying in response to Dobbs: "Today, I am glad I live in China, where I can have an abortion any time I need one, and nobody will judge me?"
Imagine caling other people orientalists while passing judgement on non-western social norms. I don't think it's based they censor you retard, it's just a right they have to decide what is appropriate to show in their own culture.
It's literally just a 5 second clip, it isn't a grand piece of queer liberation. It's literally just a piece of propaganda to sell more movies and push western values now that lgbt people have been deemed human beings. The only reason you care about this 5 second scene is so you can shit on countries like China for being backwards. Literal colonialist ideology.
Lol. Sure, China has "the right" to do whatever it wants. Spooked bitch.
Uphold those based non western social norms! The Chinese culture is so mysterious and esoteric, it will always be anti-lesbian with their western kisses because chinese people invented their own female homo-behavior category where women don't kiss other women like western bourgeois brutes! But instead do the mystical female on female dragon dance. You wouldn't get it unless you were chinese.
go back to twitter and stop shitting up my nice and friendly china thread
Unhinged. I never said anything about mysterious or esoteric or dragon dances. I don't care Disney made a 5 second scene that hints at a homosexual relationship, and I don't care if China cuts it or not. You're the one obsessed with it. I'm not gonna engage in colonialist rhetoric to defend a fucking disney movie.
Liz Truss calls it “Economic NATO” lol.
Seriously, this. I am tired of reading overgrown egos presenting their superior judgment, which resumes in exactly that, colonialist ideology: It is justified this because China muh backward.>>1036908
You don't know what being spooked is. Holding that belief that you can judge, or the west can judge China for whatever policy they want to implement is precisely what makes you a spooked person. Also, the rest is pure nonsensical babbling.
You're not wrong, the WH memorandum made multiple references to the fact that this investment needs to help American businesses as well, but the fact that this is "not charity or aid" isn't really a knock against it tbh
I guess Im less skeptical. The US can't really afford to continue to shaft Africa when China is offering better terms. I think they will actuall invest this money into infrastructure but it's too little too late anyway
semi-related, but in poland we had peak abortion rights in the 60s and 70s, under the ebil authoritarian gommunist regime, and as soon as the lib reactionaries got into power, we saw restrictions until it got outright banned in nearly all cases recently and guess what? i didn't see anyone who was protesting about this mention that fact lmao
The sexual liberation in China will be Chinese in nature.
The best way to undermine the progress against homophobia in China is to condemn them as homophobes as a westerner and try to tell them what is good culture and what is not.
This will be counter-intuitive and will make them hate homosexual behaviour even harder, as it will appear to be anti-colonialist to them. Anything you demand of them, they will resent.
As such, if you care about people with homosexual tendencies in China, the best thing you can do is let the Chinese sort out their own affairs and come to their of path of sexual liberation.
i'm betting that it's just gonna be an imperialist scam with some awful terms, because the amerimutt ruling class is fucking retarded. the whole political superstructure is completely unadjusted to the modern geopolitical conditions, and the gerontocratic establishment cannot cope with their access to imperial expansion to raise the rate of profit and fund the financial scams the usa is running on being cut off, i'm betting the us is going to chimp out and go completely fascist in this or the next decade as a last resort
Not gonna bother responding to the other comments. >The best way to undermine the progress against homophobia in China is to condemn them as homophobes
I am doing no such thing, but even if I did, it is irrelevant. Besides, it is foolish to deny that younger people, in general, clash with older people on the topic of sexuality. I am not condeming shit, just pointing out how China is developing its queer liberation. >try to tell them what is good culture and what is not.
I am gay myself and highly critical of western notions of LGBT identities. That is not my point. Banning a lesbian 5 second kiss scene from a Disney movie is a weird move considering ALL the context of everything. From China's queer emancipation to american media being absolute shit.>come to their of path of sexual liberation.
I understand the jumpiness at anything that is critical of Chinese people or the Chinese government. I don't intend to lecture Chinese communists. As I said before, they know their struggles better than I could ever.
I just want to understand what the internal struggles are. China isn't a monolith and it has its issues. I realize that western liberals might use it as ammunition against China, but China is doing a better job at LGBT rights than most third world countries if not all.
Nuance is hard in hostile environments such as here, I'll give you that.
>>1036908>The Chinese culture is so mysterious and esoteric, it will always be anti-lesbian>>1037063>The sexual liberation in China will be Chinese in nature.
Has anyone considered that because the US has painted it's imperialism in Rainbow colors, the People of the Rainbow are viewed with suspicion by people living in countries at the wrong end of the imperial stick.
It seems a bit limiting to make this all about culture.
>>1037620>Has anyone considered that because the US has painted it's imperialism in Rainbow colors, the People of the Rainbow are viewed with suspicion by people living in countries at the wrong end of the imperial stick.
Dated a guy from India who was a gay rights activist there and he said exactly this, like there being a double bind because U.S. imperialism wrapping itself in rainbow colors provokes reactionary nationalist ire in those countries, while LGBT culture as it's exported from the West is really a particularly Western version of it – and in his view contained some implicitly white supremacist notions, like in terms of clothing or also in terms of beauty standards (basically, white being more desirable / attractive).
>>1037620>Has anyone considered that because the US has painted it's imperialism in Rainbow colors, the People of the Rainbow are viewed with suspicion by people living in countries at the wrong end of the imperial stick. >It seems a bit limiting to make this all about culture.
The US left is well aware of the fact that the all the agents of US imperialism are draped in Gilbert Baker's flag but still think this is merely "pinkwashing."
Anyway it's not about culture– really gay/queer shit is actually all over Chinese culture. They had transgender celebrities before you did. Westoid academics focus extremely hard on censorship, and not on actual profilieration, acceptance and visibility of gay/queer shit. To them this represents an inexplicable paradox and they don't really get how such a thing can happen. I think that academic article posted earlier mentions this phenomenon. But I mean I don't know if people really get that like the some of the largest and most notorious online communities in China are made of women furiously writing thousands of novels about men fucking each other.
Which reminds me of a very funny stereotype about the English that many Chinese girls used to believe, which is that all the men are gay, and England had the slang name Fuguo (Gay Country) based on how prolifically they shipped together Holmes and Watson from the new Sherlock series.
It's similar in Russia. In the 00s there was a budding gay culture with TaTu and whatnot, and no one cared about the gay nearly as much as they do now. Then the West turned LGBT into an ideological weapon and it became intrinsically linked to pro-West liberal ideology, NGOs, Russia-hating and anticommunism and so forth. That made it go from "icky stuff" (low propaganda value) to "existential threat to Russian values" (high propaganda value" as far as the Russian state is concerned.
It's also kind of why the USSR was ostensibly "anti-gay", homosexuality was associated with wacko sex theories by decadent western anti-communist intelligentsia and thus something to guard the socialist state from.
Westoids ruin everything!
>>1037974>It's also kind of why the USSR was ostensibly "anti-gay", homosexuality was associated with wacko sex theories by decadent western anti-communist intelligentsia and thus something to guard the socialist state from.
That was the excuse given. The real reasoning was "gaes are le uncommon and icky" and weren't expected to produce children
Well, that still doesn't explain the situation of the censors. It doesn't make sense to censor a 5 second kiss scene if it's implied that there's lots of queer shit happening in China all over. It is not a "chinese queerness rejecting western queerness" either, as some have tried to imply.
It looks more like an internal struggle with different segments of society having more queer-accepting attitudes, while specifically censors seem to be the most conservative in this regard.
It also has to be mentioned that even though queerness is generally not acceptable outside big cities (and even then it's taboo), ""queerphobia"" tends to be way way less severe than in most other countries. Namely, violence, queer homelessness, etc. Queerphobia seems to be more related to the role one has in society, namely having children, etc. than it has to do with being attracted to men or being feminine. At least that's what my limited research seems to indicate.
Here's an interesting first hand account by a westerner:https://theconversation.com/the-double-lives-of-gay-men-in-chinas-hainan-province-153945
According to that article, more and more queer activism has led to positive results regarding acceptance and such.
And asking a gay friend that lived in Shanghai for a year, his perception is that its taboo but there's still a lively scene.
It's foolish to condemn China on these issues because in general, things are OK for queer people, especially compared to basically all the periphery, plus the US. I can't say much about the imperial core sans the US. I've always believed growing up that it was utopia in every regard, including queer stuff, but now I see it in a different light. There are neo-nazis ffs. Poland has "LGBT-free zones" (maybe Poland is not imperial core though). I've seen videos of trans people being harassed in Berlin (of all places). So idk what to believe anymore. To add to that, queerphobia or LGBT hate crime is increasing in Europe, according to a cursory search engine search.
Makes sense. I don't want to downplay homophobia in some of these societies (particularly India where it seems like it can get scary, like "you're gonna get raped" scary; yeah it's weird and fucked up), there's a particular/universal distinction in LGBT cultures in the world. There's a kind of universal "language" I think that gay men share, like gay men are often interested in the same kinda things or have a similar style broadly speaking, but the particular forms that takes varies in different cultures. Like a lot of gays in America like Barbra Streisand, and that's just a thing, while there are a lot of gays in India who like a sorta South Asian equivalent who is a traditional female vocalist such as Abida Parveen, if that makes sense. So Western LGBT cultural imperialism in this situation is like imposing a particular Western culture on everyone in the guise of multiculturalism rather than true multiculturalism in the world.
>>1037997>maybe Poland is not imperial core though
yeah it's really not, it's kind of a semi-periphery cunt. we have some political autonomy, but we have little industry and our government keeps taking loans from the eu and buying shit from germany
>>1037623>because U.S. imperialism wrapping itself in rainbow colors provokes reactionary nationalist ire in those countries
The blame has to be placed on the radlibs in the imperial core that played along and let them self's be turned into the mascot's of imperialism. They did it for personal gain and status in the eyes of the empire, at the expense of international solidarity. You can not justify deflecting blame onto imperialised people. Blame always has to flow up to those with power, or else you will give the liberals more verbal ammunition to double down on supporting imperialism with rainbow characteristics.
It would become a vicious spiral, because the more intense the rainbow coloring of imperialism gets, the more negative consequences it creates in the imperialised countries.
The liberals used to justify imperialism with civilizing the savages, and they are still doing that, they just have changed the words, to liberalizing the savages. The intention are still domination and subjugation, under a very thin veneer of righteousness.
>>1037997>It looks more like an internal struggle with different segments of society having more queer-accepting attitudes
Both pro and anti-China people often seem to forget that China is a real place full of internal conflicts and contradictions. Attempts to explain away the censorship of a gay kiss in a movie seem to be dancing around the obvious explanation that homophobia exists in China, meanwhile liberal imperialists use it to erroneously argue that this is firmly entrenched in every aspect of society. I seriously doubt the CC of the communist party has any personal interest in specific minor instances or censorship, and if it was censored for homophobic reasons it was most likely on the initiative of some boomer bureaucrat.
Does china have a gay month?
Apologies if the question has been answered before in the past, but how is China going to address a rapidly aging population as well as the collapse of globalization of which their economy is integrated to a massive extent? A number of geopolitical strategists in the west are gaining prominence putting it out there that during the US's retreat, so will the supply chains and trade that China relies on will be hurt and to that extension the very existence of country with starvation, famines, and shortages. Has there been any efforts to address such potential issues?
They have removed the one child policy.
They begun reversing the economic inequality that makes it hard for people to raise kids.
China still has a population that is switching from being mostly subsistence farmers to becoming full-time proles, so their population demographics still has a little buffer that will feather the impact on industrial labor.
Labor productivity in China is still relatively low compared to the most advanced economies , so even with a shrinking labor force their raw industrial output will continue to grow dramatically, on account of using more automation and more advanced productive forces.
I estimate that their population will dipp to about 900 million to 1 billion (from currently 1.4 billion). The effects of the common prosperity politics will kick in and stabilize it back up at 1.1 to 1.2 billion. So the net population drop won't be as big as it appears now and in strategic terms this is not a loss for China, because this will give them more headroom on water and food supply. (China has just about enough food and water supply for it's current population of 1.4 billion.)
The demographic changes will reassert the political economy of labor above that of capital. China is a socialist country they will not have many problems with that. This realignment of the political economy is a global phenomenon that will start in China, but it will also arrive in the rest of the World. I can't imagine the neo-liberals in the West reacting in a non-retarded manor to the rising bargaining power of labor. Some countries might do the necessary concessions and do relatively well in this period, but others might not.
me:>wow look at this cool bridge that a Chinese SOE built in Bangladesh, it's their largest bridgehttps://nitter.kavin.rocks/ashoswai/status/1541088592037961729#m
ultroid:>NOOOO THATS IMPERIALISM STOP ENJOYING THINGS NOOOO
Also does the west build infrastructure in other countries like this? They must, because they are also capitalist and it's all exactly the same, right? Certainly the US must maintain infrastructure in its own country at least, because capitalist China does that too.
can you define what you think capitalism is
Whatever every country on earth besides the DPRK is doing, because it's all exactly the same
I'll accept your admission of defeat
Maybe you should be reading instead of browsing twitter lmao
Socialism is when you have no bridges.
socialism is when you have bridges
What's funny is that nothing shady is happening here, Bangladesh straight up paid for the bridge and China built. What is actually shady was the World Bank's handling of this same project a decade ago
Just because China has a bourgeoisie does not mean they can go around the world with as little regard for local consent as more powerful nations can.>>1039238
um China offering an alternative to the World Bank and IMF that countries willingly choose is imperialism, sweaty.
what more powerful nations
The United States of America?
What relevance do they have to a bridge in Bangladesh lol
Maybe you didn't understand the meaning of your meme, but it was that all capitalist nations are the exact same. Yet China does things the US doesn't do, or does them better. Curious!>>1039257
Better than the IMF or it wouldn't be chosen
What capitalist nations
I thought China was socialist
I never said that
socialism is the real movement to provide a better deal
Almost. Are you a burger?
You're right, those thirdies might as well take the IMF debt trap if they aren't True Leftists Doing Actual Communism
I'm not from anywhere near the West
k, so what's your problem with a "better deal," if said "deal" means the rule of a communist party?
>>1039273>shit nobody said
>>1039284>if said "deal" means the rule of a communist party?
when and where lmao
now and here
what is even ur question?
We're talking about a bridge in Bangladesh lol, learn to scroll up before posting
I support Chinese capitalism as it is 100x better than every other nation's capitalism, and there is no more socialism
the real movement to pick and choose what you like about the present state of things
Imperial chauvinists anxious that China is doing very well.
the real movement to sit on the internet and pretend to be a 'ruthless critic.' more like truthless critic XDDDD
you're deadass a yank brother
the real movement to sit on the internet and talk about which capitalist states I like and dislike
>>1039353>China is like imperial Germany
lmao. this comparison is tired. also I would prefer communism but there isn't any. also none of our opinions will change anything
were you building communism on here? let me get out of your way then
ngl there are odd similarities between camerialism and chinas current economic system
you're on an albanian basket-weaving forum
nothing anyone says here has any impact on absolutely anything
no need to get upset that you're being called a retard
upset? no I'm just wondering why coming here to talk only about which capitalists states you dislike is any better
What do you mean "which" capitalist states I dislike uygha, Im not the guy picking and choosing
So you come to this thread just to complain about China? And this is somehow better than finding a silver lining, even though it changes nothing? Idk maybe you should just get out more
>>1039417>that bridge was built by capitalists! seethe!
well that is pretty adorable. i'm sure that many take the "is China socialist" debate bait too.
The PLA fought a battle-hardened US army supported by coalition of countries to a standstill in Korea with nothing more than captured WW2 japanese equipment and Soviet hand me downs.
>>1024568>"Home Ownership Rate in China decreased to 89.68 percent in 2018 from 90 percent in 2014"
Oh the tragedy
a socialist state should have 100 percent home ownership REEEE
I know this doesn't really matter but how are you not supposed to take offense to this lmaohttps://nitter.net/TheEconomist/status/1541566106686705667
>removed the one child policy
I know, but at the rate of which things are occurring right now, a la
>African swine flu forcing massive herd culling
>Fertilizer shortage world wide
>Low effectiveness of the vaccine and with super high COVID infection rates, China is unable to access markets and goods essential to meet crises
>Massive retiring generation out of the workforce right as global markets and economies are looking to collapse
These are issues that I am concerned are not enough to weather the shock that will come. Not that America is going to fare better, but if somehow the US comes out intact, the less severe demographic decay and advantageous geographical location will still allow the US to continue to terrorize the planet while the Earth suffers the rammifcations of deglobalization.
Much of the foodstuffs too from my understanding are imported. How long will reserves last for 1.4 billion if global markets and supply chains collapse? Not long I imagine. This is thinking past the Ukro war btw assuming we are not all nuked as well.
You are predicting crisis will have catastrophic consequences. However cheap fixes do exist for almost all of them, if people are willing to act long in advance before it happens.
So the question is whether China acts with foresight. They have demonstrated very advanced crisis management abilities. In the west the rulers are very reactive and focus more on the short term atm, but that may change.
It looks more like China has the edge in navigating the rough waters that lie ahead. The US certainly has the potential to improve and catch up, but for now at least i don't see any political will to acknowledge material reality and act accordingly.
I have read too many false predictions about the looming collapse of China, to take this type of stuff very seriously. I'm convinced that this is a grift for pseudo intellectuals that tell rulers of a declining empire what they want to hear, that their new rival will not outlast them. I get the impression you just gave me yet another assortment of China-doom-soon talking points.
I just figure that as long as China is integrated into world markets, a crisis of capitalism is going to hit them hard. I hope you're right.
The USG is going to attempt force the sale of Tiktok to a US company again, despite the fact that the company has already fully capitulated to the US natsec state.
you're telling me they didn't sell the us branch of the company already?
Yeah well I guess as long as a Chinese company retains ownership they probably have some kind of final say which is why the USG's forcing the issue.
that's not free market behavior.
Zhang Yiming was a fucking moron but like all of Chinese tech people were West worshipers who actually loved the US and wanted to emulate them. Bizarrely they became the very first target of the US campaign to fuck China.
They don't. They filled all their executive roles with NSA and CIA agents and have set up a completely unprecedented internal program to firewall their data.
That's not enough for the US though. They have to steal it to send a message.
I hate to say it, but china should just not give in to such bullying by americans who want total surveillance privileges and information hegemony.
Americans are really stupid about data privacy tbh. If you were concerned about surveillance, the number one thing you should want is for the platform you use to be based in a country without information sharing agreements with yours. That's so obvious it almost doesn't need to be said. But Americans would die to take their browser history from out of reach and into the hands of the CIA.
no, why would they
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Based af tankie rekt charlie Kirk in a debate. He has never faced anyone like this, used to typical radlibs he was confused of how to even approach it
Strongly recommend you give it a watch
This is the person in video. They have a YouTube and twitchhttps://www.bleepblompben.com/live
what was the tweet
Pastors should be killed.
Why are they trans?
Thinking otherwise is being a lib.
he's a recent transitioner, judging by his instahttps://www.instagram.com/ben.carollo/
something happened on November of 2021
but does it fucking matter? dude did good
Lmao Charlie ask like 15 off topic questions trying to throw them off
>>1040085>but does it fucking matter?
uygha do you really need to ask?
Of course not, it only matters to culture warriors (a right wing mental illness).
lol that kirk guy really comes across as an aggressively ignorant moron
thats the guy from the turning point memes isnt it ? his gotchas are even more ridiculous irl lmao
yeah, i mean, thats just rightwing grift culture. 'debates' like this are just meant to be spectacles of being loud and outraged without any substance. neither contender in these things tends to have a shred of coherency and are only there to make money, so when you get someone there who is educated and engaging in meaningful debate and not just loud arguing, it really showcases how retarded the other side is
holy fucking kek
that laugh was so fucking based
Tiem to genocide those pig pigs.
you misspelled capitalists where says pigs.>capitalists pigs
there you go.
>>1040917>4 nerdy leftypol expats live in a Beijing flat studying Marxism>Sheldon, where did you put my collected works of Mao Tse Tung? I need it for my research paper on dialectics<You mean the quote-unquote """dialectics""" that excludes the negation of the negation as a proper dialectical process
[canned laughter]>Sure? That one?
[canned laughter]<I negated it.
[canned laughter]>What do you mean you "negated it?"BAZINGA
HOW DO I APPLY WHAT UNIVERSITY IS THAT
Lmao this better be real
>>1040898<social studies is a useless degree
fuck i also wanna know
and /pol/ comes to the conclusion that somehow being anti-communist is actually contrarian? Baffles me.
Positive Discrimination with Chinese Characteristics (and based)
Clearly people with degrees in marxism seem to be a minority so it's a kind of affirmative action if you think about it. The liberals would love it!
I've met a guy (an oppressed gamer) once who claimed that China is the endpoint of liberalism.
I'm doing my part already. Are you?
>>1041187>US>Spies through just about everything including a backdoor installed on all CPUs which is essentially unavoidable>China>Based spying in order to find out if a citizen is drinking shit coffee
I know my choice
also, how are people not noticing that this is pretty much cold war propaganda repurposed
Kek we even have the sir and the jewish girl
>CPC PARTY NOW HOLDS 97,6 MILLION MEMBERS
Noteworthy, that's more than 180 countries on the list of countries ranked by population.
so happy for the People's Republic of PRC
lol, you are right. I was mixing up some thoughts with the branch organizations dependent to the CPC, which itself is another big party. Bigger, also, greater than the u.s. population.
this literally reads like a bot post
I seriously doubt that they teach actual marxist concepts
Does this imply they think the US has public spaces for people to hang out?
More like they believe asia needs more places to "protest" because you know, they can't do they coups with some violence.
Westerners deserve whatever they get
I've got some news: they do. These lectures are in Chinese but you can go to the playlist and translate the titles.
Basic principles of Marxism. Materialism and idealism. The view of matter, movement and consciousness in dialectical materialism. Materialist dialectics. The law of the unity of opposites (four parts). The law of the negation of the negation. The Marxist view of truth (three parts). The dialectical unity of truth and value. The decisive role of the masses in social history. The historical process of social development. The theory of capital reproduction. And more.
The Economists' writers are subhumans who deserve to be exterminated.
Anyone who has read their ghoulish shit over the years will agree.
based. when is the anniversary of the glorious peoples revolution?
we still have parks? that are not in malls? how does that imply that malls are robbing people off outdoor spaces? we still have those??? #ngawur>hang out<implying that you cannot hang out in malls
cope harder fuckwad, good thing i don't read your editorials>protest
how in the fucking world
why are you so obsessed with - oh yeah, you are funded by the NED right?<democracy is when protest
China’s Marxism majors prosper amid labour market woes
Xi’s ideology drive is ensuring keen demand from companies and schools for graduates in communist theory
Chinese university graduates are struggling to find work in the country’s worst labour market in years — unless they have degrees in Marxism.
Despite being China’s ruling ideology, Marxism has for decades been an obscure major for students. But it is enjoying a revival under President Xi Jinping, who has urged Chinese Communist party cadres to “remember the original mission” as he prepares to begin an unprecedented third term in power this year.
According to Yingjiesheng, a leading job search website for university graduates, there has been a 20 per cent increase in openings that require a Marxism degree in the second quarter — the peak hiring season — compared with the same period last year. Marxism experts are being sought by employers ranging from government departments to private conglomerates.
Analysts said the popularity of Marxism graduates underscored Xi’s efforts to strengthen ideological education as China’s rivalry with the US intensified, with the powers taking radically different approaches to everything from Russia’s invasion of Ukraine to coronavirus pandemic management.
“The purpose of the major is to train thought police to brainwash the entire population,” said Ming Xia, a political-science professor at the City University of New York.
Chinese universities offering Marxism degrees inculcate students in the philosophy developed by Karl Marx as interpreted by Xi and his revolutionary idol, Mao Zedong.
A curriculum for a three-year masters program in Marxism at a university in central Henan province includes a module on the “principle and methods of thought education” and 18 hours of study of Xi’s speeches on education.
Prior to Xi’s rise to power in late 2012, Marxism courses struggled to gain traction in a country that emphasised economic prosperity over ideological correctness during the three-decade reform era launched by Deng Xiaoping in 1978.
Under Deng, the party popularised catchphrases such as “it is glorious to get rich” and assured entrepreneurs that it was acceptable for “some people to get rich first”. Deng’s successor as leader, Jiang Zemin, formally invited private sector businessmen and women to join the party.
Xi, however, has made it clear that he intends to preside over an ideologically stricter “new era” that will prioritise “common prosperity”, tighter regulation of private sector conglomerates and a less stark rich-poor divide in what is one of the world’s most unequal societies.
Xi’s government has cracked down on young people who apply Marxist analysis too critically to abuses of labour allowed under China’s system of state capitalism. But it has boosted demand for Marxism teachers, who now play a critical role in educating the public about why China’s communist regime is superior to the west.
In a circular issued in 2018, the same year the party eliminated the previous two-term limit on the presidency, the education ministry told universities they should hire at least one Marxism instructor for every 350 students.
A talent acquisition boom quickly followed, with the number of university “ideology and politics” teachers increasing by two-thirds over the next four years.
The degree appears recession-proof. Youth unemployment is at a historic high of 18.4 per cent, limiting the number of opportunities available for other majors. But Yingjiesheng records show that Marxism teachers’ salaries and benefits are catching up with those on offer to jobseekers with previously more popular majors such as business administration.
In northern Shaanxi province, where urban workers make an average of Rmb52,000 ($7,760) per year, Xi’an University of Science and Technology is offering Marxism PhDs an annual base salary of Rmb200,000, a Rmb20,000 signing bonus and free housing.
“This is the golden time for Marxism majors,” said an official at the university, who asked not to be identified because he was not authorised to speak with foreign media.
Other education institutions, ranging from kindergartens to high schools, are also actively hiring Marxism graduates in accordance with directives requiring students as young as 10 to study “Xi Jinping thought”.
On southern Hainan island, one elite high school is offering Marxism teachers annual salaries of Rmb150,000, high by local standards.
“The study of Marxism and Xi Jinping thought must begin from an early age,” said an official at PKU Haikou High School, which is affiliated with Peking University in Beijing. “That creates ample demand for tutors.”
Private sector companies are also hiring Marxism majors in an effort to showcase their allegiance to the party in the wake of crackdowns on technology and property entrepreneurs such as Jack Ma, founder of Alibaba and Ant, and China Evergrande chair Hui Ka Yan.
“It helps to have someone who speaks the party’s language work for us,” said David Tong, who owns a machine tool factory in the eastern city of Ningbo, near Shanghai. “The government will trust us more.”
Tong recently hired a Marxism expert to help his firm improve communication with local authorities. The hire had an immediate impact.
Shortly after starting, the in-house Marxist showed Tong an “inappropriate” article in his company’s internal magazine that had criticised China’s draconian film censorship regime.
Tong showed the Financial Times a message from the hire that said: “It is OK for someone to have his or her own opinion about how the government controls the media, but the publication of such views in our company magazine will lead to misunderstanding that we support ideas against the official line.”
Tong said he appreciated the advice and promptly removed the article.
are these bots in the room with us right now
>>1043624>These lectures are in Chinese but you can go to the playlist and translate the titles>da titles r marxister
Like I said I don't think they actually teach marxism there.>>1043731>paid marxist education>in demand by companies
It's just a bullshit booj degree that signals you're a conformist that won't work against the state.
stop samefagging faggot
stop being retarded in this thread
I am sure you have some other place to be retarded
>>1043817>It's just a bullshit booj degree that signals you're a conformist that won't work against the state.
Why is that a bad thing?
I didn't say it's "bad" although it invokes a sense of disgust in myself. "bad" is a matter of opinion. However the so called "marxist degrees" are just some rubber stamp booj kids buy so that they can don the fetid corpse of marxism and collect PMC checks for saying "x is politically incorrect don't do that".
1000 xinjiang uyghurs are immigrating next door to rape you and your dad as we speak after you false inb4ed
inb4 all other inb4s inb4 anon can't inb4 inb4 not inb4
Most mentally stable anglo
That's nice, buddy.
China is right here, you know, with it's own sphere of influence, consisting mostly of capitalists but still.>>1033552
Yugoslavia was fascistic and UK-aligned. Khrushev, immediately after getting into power, started cozying up to Yugoslavia, while Stalin and Mao and even Hoxha were anti-Yugoslav.
Be jealous somewhere else, anglo. China is giving free housing to it's workers and you can do nothing about it but drool at the sight - and declare China capitalist, as if it will help you in some way
which books should I read about contemporary China?
>>1043731>Under Deng, the party popularised catchphrases such as “it is glorious to get rich” and assured entrepreneurs that it was acceptable for “some people to get rich first”. Deng’s successor as leader, Jiang Zemin, formally invited private sector businessmen and women to join the party.
>Xi, however, has made it clear that he intends to preside over an ideologically stricter “new era” that will prioritise “common prosperity”, tighter regulation of private sector conglomerates and a less stark rich-poor divide in what is one of the world’s most unequal societies.
Of course the anti dengists can't be bothered to read an article so I thought I'd highlight an interesting bit.
>>1043731>“The purpose of the major is to train thought police to brainwash the entire population,” said Ming Xia, a political-science professor at the City University of New York.
such clear-eyed analysis, thanks financial times
current Chinese capitalists already complain that they can't join the party
btw, the ones who were let into the party under Jian Zemin say shit like:<My property, even my wife, belongs to the (Chinese Communist) Partyhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liang_Wengen#Biography
that doesn't mean anything you naive fuck
they are complaining about having to pay bureaucrat gibs, the CPC is a bloodsucker on a bloodsucker
Yeah you aren't even part of an org. You have no agenda but to shit everything up. Go write a book or an article at least or something you pathetic faggot.
my agenda is to dimish you for being an enemy of communism and the proletariat by pointing out how you're wrong, delusional and a liar and by threatening to make your dad cum or whatever
No you are a wrecker. Dengism is an inherently anticommunist, anti proletarian ideology attempting to co-opt communism and proletarian liberation. All in an era where capitalism is set to destroy 100s of millions or billions of people and set the world on fire.
This is just neoconfucian nationalist garbage meant to white wash capitalism in China. The whole thing dances around any kind of concise and quantified statements with zizek tier sophistry.
shut the fuck up
>>1043929>Yugoslavia was fascistic
The absolute state of stalinist dogmatist. Do you know anything beside the stalinist line, bot?
There's no such thing as stalinism, lib
Communism is when you have a four block compound that can't grow vegetables and murders black teenagers. Not communism is millions of youth studying Marx.
>>1044112>zizek is…… le bad!!!
>zizek is le good
I thought we already grew past the sniff phase
Not sure what you are even trying to say but 'stalinism' literally is a meaningless word, its exclusively used by libs to badmouth socialism
>>1044459>WE MUST STRENGTHEN NATO FOR UKRAINE!!!!
You wouldn’t know what a commie block is if one was shoved ul your ass
I can't believe China tore down all the housing and replaced them with tiny apartments in less than 3 years purely out of spite… It's over for us China bros…
The rent of an apartment that size in the average major U.S. city likely costs half of a person's monthly income.
It is the western occupiers, not China, that formulated Hong Kong's economic policy. Hong Kong emulated the western model of real-estate as a commodity price-gouging and their citizens are suffering for it.
Don't you think there was one line of thought more preferable to others during the 1940s and 1950s?
What about this work makes you call it "neoconfusian"?
What do you think Confusianism is? What about this text is confusian?
Are you just using that term because its about China?
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