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 No.211384[Last 50 Posts]

 No.1799589

>>1799586
I mean yeah I guess. This is the privilege of being a superpower.

 No.1799591

>>1799589
Fucking gross. I'm hoping they just pull the plug out of Clapistan instead of selling it off.

 No.1799592

>>1799591
China has already said they won't sell it, so yeah that will probably happen.

 No.1799900

>>1799575
Nah they are banning it worldwide. The second a US ban goes into effect Australia and Canada will ban it, then New Zealand, Japan, South Korea and the EU.

 No.1799912

>>1799900
Western world and their vassals will be isolated.

I'm hoping China starts exporting the Yanis' coined "Cloud Capital" of their own. Make a non-Chinese/export versions of Weibo, WeChat, Bilibili and so on. They are the superior alternatives to the likes of twitter, Facebook, Youtube etc. which would demolish them when pitted against one another, just like how TikTok/Douyin did.
Release these alternatives into the the Global South first and then it'll grow from there. Currently the west has a monopoly on the "Cloud Capital" but just like how they're losing with the international payment system, the banks, the insurance companies, so too will they lose the internet side of things if China decides to attack them in that field.

Fingers crossed.

 No.1799937

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real

 No.1799939

>>1799937
how do you do, fellow kids? I made an epic maymay

 No.1799952

>>1799937

For Marx's sake, what part of state ownership of the commanding heights of the economy don't you understand?

What part of the big conglomerates being state-owned enterprises do you not understand?

There are three bourgeois or bourgeoisie-like economic actors in China. First, you have petites bourgeoisie, which is kept Red by the nationalist and socialist rhetoric pulsing throughout China, in the same way as the petites in the West are usually some kind of conservative trash.

Second, you have national bourgeoisie, or richer and larger bourgeoisie. Many of these are Party members and are thus subject to the discipline, surveillance, and indoctrination that Party members undergo–i.e, they're expected to be single (if they came in rich) or double (if they were Party members that hit it big) class traitors.

The ones that are not are either outclassed by Communist national bourgeoisie (because the latter have much better political ties) or are just plain corrupt, in which case the PSB and MSS are planning to jail them.

Third, you have the SOE systems, both national (SASAC) and subnational. These control the commanding heights of the economy, have the best government ties and ties to the financial system, and the biggest players are state-owned.

***

You leftcomms are the worst. I think for you, the definition of capitalism is "having to work", and any situation where you are expected to work daily and diligently, is capitalist oppression.

The dictatorship of the proletariat, when it is not fulfilling the role of the bourgeoisie directly, is controlling the bourgeoisie in China.

China is still AES, perhaps one of the most right-wing forms possible (alongside Vietnam). Shut the fuck up.

 No.1800030

Evergrandebros…

 No.1800037

>>1799912
>They are the superior alternatives to the likes of twitter, Facebook, Youtube etc.
it's actually incredible if you think about how utter trash these products are

 No.1800044

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 No.1800046

>>1800030
maybe china is socialist

 No.1800064


 No.1800081


 No.1800083

>>1800081
ITS JOEVER CHINA WILL FALL

 No.1800084

>>1800081
Damn, they just lost 1 stability

 No.1800091

>>1800081
They're literally resorting to astrology, might as well talk about Xi's star sign

 No.1800092

>>1800091
>>1800084
we must perform a sacrifice to heaven. We need to restore stability.

 No.1800095

>>1800081
is this folon gong?

 No.1800104

>>1800095
Yep. China Uncensored as well.

 No.1800111

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huh? sun yat sen was zionista?

 No.1800115

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 No.1800118

>>1800111
Homie died in 1920s. He had no idea what he was parroting.

 No.1800120

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Trump invites Chinese to build US auto plants

Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump on March 18 invited Chinese automakers to build plants in the United States, offering China the same deal that Ronald Reagan extended to Japan in the 1980s.

The former president vowed to impose a 100% tariff on Chinese car imports either directly from the mainland or from intermediaries like Mexico. But he added, “If they want to build a plant in Michigan, in Ohio, in South Carolina, they can, using American workers, they can. They can’t send Chinese workers over here, which they sometimes do. But if they want to do that, we’re welcome, right?”

Addressing Chinese leader Xi Jinping, Trump said, “You and I are friends.”

Trump’s offer to China went unreported in virtually all media. Mainstream US media attacked the former president for using the term “bloodbath” to describe the impact of prospective Chinese imports on the American auto industry, implying that he had threatened actual violence if he was not elected. But the transcript of his remarks at a Dayton, Ohio, rally makes clear that he was referring to industry conditions.
https://asiatimes.com/2024/03/trump-invites-chinese-to-build-us-auto-plants/

 No.1800128

>>1800120
Holy fuck I just double checked and it's TRUE LMAO???

>Trump’s offer to China went unreported in virtually all media

This is so fucking true holy shit. Even Electric Viking talked about how Trump practically killed BYD in America and Mexico because he read the report about Trump threatening 100% tariffs for Mexican-made Chinese EVs being sold in the US. Electric Viking thinks this is China's tactic of selling the cars in the US and now that their totally sneaky plan has been noticed they will cancel the plants in Mexico. I doubt that since they're making BYD plants in Brazil anyway. So why not Mexico as well? Doesn't mean they cared -only- about the US market. Mexico and Latino America are also profitable markets.

BUT THAT'S BESIDES THE POINT

SKIP TO 31:11

I'm laughing so hard. This is LITERALLY what China wanted in the FIRST place. And he's offering it to them outright. That's insane. And it went COMPLETELY unreported. Not even Electric Viking talked about it since the reports he read never mentioned it and most people didn't actually listen to Trump's speech.

>ALL THESE ELEKTRIK KARS MADE IN CHYNA

<BOOOOOOO BOOOOO
>THEY ARE NOT GONNA SELL THEM OVA HERE I'M GONNA TAX THEM IF THEY MAKE THEM IN MEXICO
<WOOOOOOOOOO WOOOOOOO GIT R DUN
>IF THEY WANNA SELL THEM OVER HERE THEY HAVE TO MAKE THEM IN MICHIGAN
<WOOOOOOOO WO- wait…

 No.1800133

>>1800111
sun yat sen even said some han chauvinist things even during the 1920s. But that was because he was a product of his times.

 No.1800135

>>1800133
>some han chauvinist things
He was a full blown racist against the Manchus and did horrible crimes of humanity against them.
The CPC welcomed the Manchu.

 No.1800141

>>1800135
In the streets of Chongqing, two titans of the Republican era died fighting side by side. Their bodies were retrieved, strung, and hung before the backdrop of a razed city. With that, the Republic would capitulate and in its place would rise the Reorganized National Government of the Republic of China. Claiming to be the legitimate executor of Dr. Sun Yat-Sen’s vision, the new government was founded in collaboration between prominent Kuomintang figures, Wang Jingwei and the Empire of Japan. Unreleased treaties between the governments arranging for Japanese support would reveal a grim picture for China’s future as a colony for the Japanese.

TNO mod for HOI4 :)

 No.1800152

>>1800141
as if mao would die with chiang, smh.
>>1800135
true, and that element should be criticized. But the point being that he was a product of his times. And seeing how sun yat sen wasnt a communist but was for the most part a liberal. And seeing how liberalism was like back that. Well, sun yat sen adopted some of the worst elements.

 No.1800234

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Another victory for the proletariat

 No.1800240

>>1800234
apple is bad therefore china is bad

i am big think

 No.1800244

Every view you give to Hare Hare Rabbit builds the productive forces and pushes history toward communism

 No.1800248

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>>1800152
Actually, Sun Yat Sen said that the goal of People's livelihood was "communism" so that might actually make him a communist

 No.1800257

>>1800244
>>builds the productive forces and pushes history toward communism

Accelerationism is a range of revolutionary and reactionary ideas in left-wing and right-wing ideologies that call for the drastic intensification of capitalist growth, technological change, infrastructure sabotage and other processes of social change to destabilize existing systems and create radical social transformations, otherwise referred to as "acceleration".[1][2][3][4] It has been regarded as an ideological spectrum divided into mutually contradictory left-wing and right-wing variants, both of which support the indefinite intensification of capitalism and its structures as well as the conditions for a technological singularity, a hypothetical point in time where technological growth becomes uncontrollable and irreversible.[5][6][7]

 No.1800298

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>>1800234
Western corporate oligarchs are de facto rulers of the neoliberal western world. Them coming to China to kiss the ring is based.

 No.1800316

>>1800248
yeah and thats true…..but he also said shit like this
What is the cause of social evolution? Why does society have to undergo these transformations? Judging by Marx’s theory, we would have to say that social change is caused by class struggle and class struggle is caused by the capitalists oppression of workers. Since the interests of capitalists and workers inevitably conflict and cannot be reconciled, struggle ensues and this struggle within society
is what makes for progress. Look, however, at the actual facts of social progress in the West during the last few decades. Best of all has been the development of socialized distribution which destroys the monopoly of the tradesman. Heavier taxes upon the incomes and the inheritances of the capitalists increases the wealth of the state and enables the state to take over means of transportation and communication, to improve the education and the health of workers and equipment within the factories, and to increase the productiveness of society. When production is large and products are rich, the capitalists naturally make fortunes and the workers receive high wages. From this point of
view, when the capitalists improve the living conditions of the workers and increase their productivity, the workers can produce more for the capitalists. On the capitalists’ side, this means greater production; on the workers’ side, higher wages. Here is a reconciliation of the interests of capitalists and workers, rather than a conflict between them. Society progresses, then, through the adjustment of major economic interests rather than through the clash of in-terests. If most of the economic interests of society can be harmonized, the majority of people will benefit and society will progress. The reason why we want to make
these adjustments is simply because of the living problem.

 No.1800321

>>1800316
. From ancient times until now man has exerted his energies in order to maintain his existence. And mankind’s struggle
for continuous existence has been the reason for society’s unceasing development, the law of social progress. Class war is not the cause of social progress, it is a disease developed in the course of social progress. The cause of the
disease is the inability to subsist, and the result of the disease is war. What Marx gained through his studies of social problems was a knowledge of diseases in the course
of social progress. Therefore, Marx can only be called a social pathologist; we cannot say that he is a social physiologist

 No.1800364

>>1800320
DONT MOCK MY BASED ANARCHISM IS FASCISM PAL

 No.1800367

>>1800364
Well i say "based anarquism" a Lot, vou got that right, but i only call people who use the nazi flag and say "jews bad" as facists

 No.1800370

My main source of information is getchan larping music all day, everyday

 No.1800375

>>1800084
the economy, fools !

 No.1800377

>>1799952
>You leftcomms are the worst. I think for you, the definition of capitalism is "having to work", and any situation where you are expected to work daily and diligently, is capitalist oppression.
Their definition of capitalism seems to be any society that has existed in modern times. The only place Actual Communism seems to have ever existed is in liberal arts college campuses as a lark for hipsters in their 20s. So, I've been thinking. Say what you will about them but least the CPC can offer increasing living standards instead of a race to the bottom. China is one of the very few countries that can unironically say that things really are better than they were 20 years ago. What do the ultras have to offer the masses of any country? What do they even do other than post snarky quips on the Internet? At least religious fundamentalists offer the cynical promise of Heaven; all the ultras have to offer is the smug sense of moral and intellectual superiority.

 No.1800386

>>1800377
>China is one of the very few countries that can unironically say that things really are better than they were 20 years ago
Most countries are better off than they were in 2004. Might as well praise the BJP since India's economy is growing

 No.1800388

>>1800386
Indian consumption of goods has stagnated or decreased, even, actually

 No.1800392

>>1800388
>quality of life is how much you consoom
begone lib

 No.1800399

>>1800386
>Most countries are better off than they were in 2004
Not in the same way China is. And European countries are seeing active degradation in the past 2 years.

 No.1800408

>>1800386
>Most countries are better off than they were in 2004.
Real wages in China grew 400% in 25 years. Which country can say the same?

 No.1800412

>>1800408
Not a single country can say that, China Number one, market socialism at its finest, MLs do cope and set

 No.1800417

>>1800412
China is ML, antiMLs cope with proclaiming China non-ML and seethe about Deng, Mao, Stalin

 No.1800423

>>1800417
Deng is a lot different from Stalin and Stalin is a lot different from Lenin.

 No.1800424

>>1800408
Communism is when developmentalism.

 No.1800427

>>1800421
eeeeh, let's just say that people believe the craziest shit about what Stalin believed in

>>1800423
ML is a living science. You are not disproving it by citing mere differences, lol

 No.1800457

>>1800424
Where's the comparable development in capitalist countries?

 No.1800506

>>1800423
>Deng is a lot different from Stalin and Stalin is a lot different from Lenin.
Einstein is a lot different from Newton, and Newton is a lot different from Galileo.

 No.1800507

>>1800506
Deng is the Einstein of the science of Marxism-Leninism.

 No.1800540

They can't stop the future, Adam.

 No.1800542

>>1800507
>E=mc2
Economy=money times communism squared

 No.1800545


 No.1800662

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Special Report: Raiden Shogun upset after losing Evergrande investment monies; strikes Chinese suburb under construction.

 No.1800691

>>1800662
its not even a suburb

 No.1800716

>>1800507
>Deng was a Zionist agent of US imperialism
True!

 No.1800727

i have a question about something i don't really understand much.
what was Mao's deal with destroying "old culture", was it really necessary? and did he actually destroyed historical artifacts, cultural and religious sites and banned stuff like mahjong?

also, about the backyard furnaces, did it had any kind of success? was it just a stupid idea? badly implanted because of external things?

it's just things i don't see people talking much and i just want to understand everything better, thx.

 No.1800732

>>1800540
Blade Runner bros…

 No.1800741

>>1800298
>oligarchs are de facto rulers of the neoliberal western world
Then why their trade with China are being restricted by boomer politicians

 No.1800765

>>1800727

Read up on the Mencius, wherein Mencius says that the sage ruler should abrogate justice for the benefit of their family.

"Old culture" in most countries is a plague; consider the historical homophobia in the West, the previously more-intense homophobias, the sexism, etc…

This is Mao doing a purge against deleterious aspects of ancient Chinese culture.

 No.1800768

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Today's Taiwan moment…

 No.1800804

>Taiwan’s Democratic Progressive Party (DPP) and DPP-led government raised concerns that a KMT push to legalize absentee voting for overseas Taiwanese could enable CCP interference in Taiwan’s elections. Taiwanese voters are required to return to the city or county of their household registration to vote in elections.[xx] Taiwan’s cabinet approved a bill in February 2024 that allows absentee voting for national referenda for Taiwanese nationals living in Taiwan. This means that voters can vote in person in the area where they live instead of having to return to their hometown. Premier Chen Chien-jen and Interior Minister Lin Yu-chang said the government has no plans to permit absentee voting for national elections, however.[xxi] The KMT has been pushing for legislation to legalize absentee voting in elections, including permitting mail-in ballots for Taiwanese people living overseas. DPP politicians including National Bureau Director Tsai Ming-yen raised concerns that permitting overseas absentee voting, especially for Taiwanese people living in the PRC, could create a security risk of PRC interference in Taiwan’s elections.[xxii] KMT politicians, including party chairman Eric Chu, pointed out that many countries, including the United States, have implemented absentee voting and accused the DPP of disenfranchising Taiwanese citizens under the pretense of national security.[xxiii]
<Democratic Progressive Party
<the government has no plans to permit absentee voting for national elections

 No.1800833

>>1800768
Maitreya Bhakal is a Nazi now unironically. Look at his other posts

 No.1800930

https://gcaptain.com/biden-eyes-chinese-shipbuilding-subsidies-as-tensions-simmer/

>A coalition of five US unions — the United Steelworkers, the AFL-CIO Maritime Trades Department, International Association of Machinists and Aerospace Workers, the International Brotherhood of Boilermakers, and the International Brotherhood of Electrical Workers — filed the petition in a bid to urge action on what it called Beijing’s “non-market policies” to dominate the commercial shipbuilding industry.


tfw trade unions fight against non-market practices

>“If we do not act quickly, we will soon be dependent on China not only for the products their vessels bring into our ports but also for the ships themselves,” USW International President David McCall said in a statement.

 No.1800956

>>1800128
Based retard Trump

 No.1800958

>>1800930
>AFL-CIA
lol

 No.1801110

>>1800930
"China already dominates the global shipbuilding industry, having in 2019 merged its two biggest shipmakers to create a state-owned industrial and military behemoth that dwarfs international rivals.

That support helped it to surpass previous global leaders South Korea and Japan. In 2022, Chinese yards constructed almost half the gross tonnage of merchant ships built that year, according to United Nations data. Such size has allowed the nation to quickly expand its merchant and military fleets, with about 400 vessels giving it the world’s largest navy.

“The Chinese shipbuilding industry received extensive policy-support in the past, facilitating the development of several domestic champions,” said Jens Eskelund, president of the European Union Chamber of Commerce in China. “The dominant market position held by these players today, as well as their immense size — largely a direct result of this support — means, we assess, they generally no longer need subsidies to be globally competitive.”

The US, meanwhile, is struggling to repair the naval fleet it has, and is in talks with Japan to use that nation’s shipyards to do repair and maintenance on military vessels. That deal may be signed at a summit in the US next month.

The USW pointed to US job losses resulting from the closure of shipyards as a key concern, and stressed in its statement potential national security implications from becoming too reliant on China for shipping."



Basically, the unions are protesting because "Muh jobs", and how incredibly powerful the chineses are in basically everything, that the US canot even dream to compete in a fair game. Also, once again, unions are not necessarily socialist, they can be the exact opposite. Look at "Solidarity " of POLand, or the trade unions in every fascist state in 1930-1940.



"In Italy under ᴉuᴉlossnW, formally speaking, there were “trade unions”. However, they were state-run unions, i.e. instruments of the state. One therefore should not confuse these “unions” with genuine trade unions. Yet, in spite of this, Communists worked successfully inside them.

According to 1935 statistics the Fascist Trade Unions (including 1,659,000 industrial workers) had 4,042,000 members. There were also 83,000 members in the Fascist Teachers’ Association, 110,000 in the Fascist Civil Servants’ Association, 99,000 in the Fascist Railwaymen’s Association, 48,000 in the Postal-Workers’ Association, and several other organisations that brought together workers in clubs and “mutual-aid” associations. In total the Fascist organisation claimed 12 million members, 1,096,000 directly in the Fascist Party itself.

Were these really “trade unions”? Anyone who has the slightest knowledge of how these so-called unions operated would draw the conclusion that they were not unions at all, but instruments of the state."

https://www.marxist.com/trade-unions-in-fascist-italy.htm

 No.1801133

>>1800956
To be fair this is actually in-character for him. Not the "god emperor of nationalism Trump" that people meme on about but the calculating businessman Trump. Like article said this is the exact same thing Reagan did for Toyota when they were getting beat in the ass by Japanese cars during the 80s.

It's still beneficial for both sides. A Win-Win, dare I say.
Even though some of the more ideologically driven Americans would find a Chinese factory, supervised by Chinese directors and engineers, producing Chinese branded products but located in America, as humiliating after years of antagonism and shittalking.

 No.1801149

>>1801110
Also, i forgot to put that the petition is about the govnerment increasing subsidies to the manufacturer indutry of the US to "Revive america commercial shipbuilding industry "

 No.1801241

China will be ready to seize Taiwan in three years, US admiral claims
https://swentr.site/news/594623-china-taiwan-invasion-us/

 No.1801244

>>1801241
Is this a nothinburger?

 No.1801262

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>>1801244
Well, look at this. After every Westoid provocation, China tightened the noose around Taiwan. By now China violates "median line" of the straits regularly, Taiwanese Air-Identification Zone became a meme of the past, and China is patrolling Taiwanese territorial waters (islets near the mainland) at will. China is patrolling Diayou islands, does drills to the East of Taiwan (violating the First Island Chain strategy btw), yadda yadda

By the way it's going, with American and Taiwanese provocations, it might as well happen that China will strangle Taiwan to the point of patrolling right outside of Taipei

 No.1801304

>>1799952
oh hey this is an explanation I needed, thanks.

 No.1801317

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>>1800768
The comment section for that post is fucking hilarious https://twitter.com/TaiwanNewsEN/status/1770072734921543892

The confused normalfags are finally realizing that Taiwan isn't some utopia but instead just another "unsinkable aircraft carrier of the empire" near antagonized territory, like Israel.
Do nothing and win as your enemies commit PR and economic suicide on the global stage. Even those glowing scum with "Uyghur genocide" mask avatars are saying how "CCP trolls love this post because it's a blunder for Taiwan" lol.

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Xi Jinping's net worth? 454 trillion USD

 No.1801334

>>1801327
checkmate Dengists.

 No.1801373

>>1800765
thank u!

 No.1801397

>>1801327
Comrade Xi please buy my shithole country and kick the americans out.

 No.1801928

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>wew I'm glad they finally started rolling out the upgrade package for Z-10 few months ago based on the export version the Z-10ME
>now they roll out an entirely new heli
Damn. Really feeling that budget increase.

Anyway, new attack heli. It's a heavy attack heli which is a new role for the army seeing how Z-10 is a medium-weight.
Looks like a beefier version of Mi-28. Uses the Z-20 engines which makes sense due to size increase. Unique thing about it is that the pilot is in the front seat while the back seat is for the weapons officer, like in fighter jets. It's usually the other way around in helicopters.

 No.1802040

Also, just did some math. The last posted figure for the total asset value of Chinese SOEs is around 29 trillion from 2017, multiply by 1.5 to account for economic growth since then, you get about 44 trillion today.

If 50% of the SOEs are owned by Chinese government entities (including local entities), then it's 22 trillion in assets held by the Chinese government, and if you consider price to earnings ratio of 10 being the average valuation for China, then the Chinese earn about 2 trillion a year, or about 10% of GDP, from SOE dividends. That comes out to a tax cut of 10% for private individuals and corporations, or 10% of GDP in increased social spending from the SOE sector.

Think about it another way, you pay 20% taxes right now? Now you pay 10%, or you get back 8k a year from reduced taxes. You pay 30% taxes? 20%, or you get back 15k a year from reduced taxes.

Socialism is very good for upper proles and petites based on the SOE model; you don't compete that much with the SOEs, hell, they might even be your customers, but it just supercharges the economy.

You could see Trump's failed tax cuts (8% debt to GDP growth a year) as an attempt to clone the model, except he didn't have an SOE sector backing him, so bam, short-term US economic growth, long-term government default.

 No.1802045

>>1801928
>>wew I'm glad they finally started rolling out the upgrade package for Z-10 few months ago based on the export version the Z-10ME
Why? Was there something wrong with it?
>Looks like a beefier version of Mi-28. Uses the Z-20 engines which makes sense due to size increase
It looks like it's based on a Z-20, same number of rotor blades and the tail looks like it's from the Z-20. Makes sense, given how the Z-19 was based on the Z-9. The nose shape reminds me of the Mi-28NM that was presented a few years ago.
>Unique thing about it is that the pilot is in the front seat while the back seat is for the weapons officer
Why are most attack helicopters arranged in this way? Is it because it gives a bit more protection to the pilot?

 No.1802113

>>1802112
socialism is more important than your boner, cumbrain porn addict

 No.1802114

>>1802112
Is this supposed to be a gotcha? Porn "stars" are always the impoverished proles. The entire industry is abusive. It destroys lives, just like drugs.

 No.1802117

>>1802112
The chinese don't need pornl. They do it in real life. Virginian Incels can coperr sit

 No.1802120

>>1802112
>noooo muh cummies
>I have to see the heccin exploitation of poor women
>I can't just use a VPN
Have sex.

 No.1802122

>>1802112
They have sex in real life, sometimes it's with Chinese women but if that's not available (due to some bad math in the one child policy era) they have a wide selection of people from Pakistan, Myanmar, Vietnam, Laos, the Philippines, and sometimes Africa who'd be happy to take them

 No.1802132

The article lleaves out the massive funding passed by Congress for "combating Chinese propaganda" or whatever it was, which is really just a euphemism for "disseminating anti China propaganda".

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-launched-cia-covert-influence-operation-against-china-2024-03-14/

>Exclusive: Trump launched CIA covert influence operation against China

>WASHINGTON, March 14 - Two years into office, President Donald Trump authorized the Central Intelligence Agency to launch a clandestine campaign on Chinese social media aimed at turning public opinion in China against its government, according to former U.S. officials with direct knowledge of the highly classified operation.
>Three former officials told Reuters that the CIA created a small team of operatives who used bogus internet identities to spread negative narratives about Xi Jinping’s government while leaking disparaging intelligence to overseas news outlets. The effort, which began in 2019, has not been previously reported.

>The CIA team promoted allegations that members of the ruling Communist Party were hiding ill-gotten money overseas and slammed as corrupt and wasteful China’s Belt and Road Initiative, which provides financing for infrastructure projects in the developing world, the sources told Reuters.


>Trump’s 2019 order came after years of warnings from the U.S. intelligence community, and media reports, about how China was using bribery and threats to obtain support from developing countries in geopolitical disputes as it attempted to sow division in the United States through front groups.

😂😂😂😂
>“The feeling was China was coming at us with steel baseball bats and we were fighting back with wooden ones,” said a former national security official with direct knowledge of the finding.
🤡
>The covert propaganda campaign against Beijing could backfire, said Heer, the former CIA analyst. China could use evidence of a CIA influence program to bolster its decades-old accusations of shadowy Western subversion, helping Beijing “proselytize” in a developing world already deeply suspicious of Washington.
The message would be: “‘Look at the United States intervening in the internal affairs of other countries and rejecting the principles of peaceful coexistence,’” Heer said. “And there are places in the world where that is going to be a resonant message.”
lmfao. I wonder why it would be a resonant message.

 No.1802135

>>1802116
theres nothing bad about reddit spacing. I dont understand why people complain about it. Its just fucking spaces.

 No.1802139

>>1801928

Honestly, are helicopters even relevant on a modern battlefield anymore?

As it turns out, helicopters in a traditional attack role are much less survivable, because of the range of enemy short-range air defense missiles, as the Ka-52s demonstrated in Ukraine.

That the Ka-52s are doing well owes to the Russian EW advantage over the Ukrainians, which the Chinese can't be guaranteed of in a modern war.

***

Then there's drones, which can do the same job as a helicopter, but for a much lower price, and saves the need to have an armored cockpit.

***

The interesting role that helicopters can do that drones can't is air defense. It turns out that, if a fighter aircraft gets down low to engage a helicopter, it'll typically lose to the helicopter because the low speed makes the helicopters ridiculously agile, and helicopters can hide in ground clutter, making them difficult to engage by enemy BVR missiles.

Now, in a modern conflict, this is much less likely, but the SM-6 and S-500 missiles weigh about 1500 kg, which a Z-21 can handle, and the other air to air missiles the Z-21 can launch are even lighter.

Instead of doing fighter + counterstealth setups, ground-based air defense can be paired with a low-RCS helicopter exploiting ground scatter, which is equipped with the IRST needed to track the enemy fighter, and the missiles needed to shoot the enemy fighter down.

30 million aircraft vs 80 million aircraft, see who wins?

 No.1802147

>>1802139
If there is a war between China and USA, 80% of US fleet and aircraft would be locked in repair and inoperational because all that private contractor shit is going to bite US hard into it's ass. Even if USA tries to amass the critical mass for an attack, it's just not going to happen because American weaponry will be destroyed by maintenance issues

 No.1802159

>>1802139
>EW advantage
>which the Chinese can't be guaranteed of in a modern war
Against Taiwan they can. And a heavy attack heli for their 075/076 is something they've always wanted. Will help wipe out the armored Taiwanese units at the beach.

 No.1802161

>>1802040
Trickle down economics, lmao. Personally, I'd prefer higher taxes to fund greater redistribution, but I'm just some lib

> then the Chinese earn about 2 trillion a year, or about 10% of GDP, from SOE dividends

Is the government actually sending out checks with SOE dividends to every citizen?

 No.1802175

Socdem keynesian welfarism has died far earlier to degrade into racist restricted whites only gibs, and most people who are normal detest taxes, at least in the U.S.A where people have the attitude, sense, and pride to not fall for Eurocuck welfare statism.

 No.1802182

>>1802175
Is the CCP opposed to Eurocuck welfare statism?

 No.1802191


 No.1802195

>>1802161

About 90% of Chinese people pay 0.0000% income taxes; i.e, they don't hit the first tax bracket under Chinese tax law.

The money DOES go back to the people, but insofar in the form of infrastructure construction, public services, education, and so on.

There was an attempt in 2020 to trial UBI in China proper, but it failed because of Chinese cultural objections to freeloading. In reality, if you look at Chinese traditional cultural values, it's extremely libertarian and it's telling how bad it got before Liberation that the Communists had obtained vast support.

 No.1802214

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>>1802112
>>1802177
>tried with porn
>got told
>now tries with LGBTQ
Do you think you're being clever? You're equating LGBTQ people with a disgusting fucking industry, just because evangelicals are opposed to both.

With that you demonstrated that you yourself don't care about LGBTQ and are using them either as a regime changing battering ram against the Chinese government -or- you're mad and have to counter everything the evangelical bogeymen are doing, just out of spite.
Either way, you're being disingenuous and you're doing more harm than good.

 No.1802219

>>1802214
nice pivot, and i wasn't told. enjoy your shithole conservative country

btw i can do this with hiphop too or the lack of tenant rights, its practically fucking texas!

 No.1802220

>>1802219
oh i forgot those are socialist landlords.

 No.1802224

>>1802220
or we could do some of the strictest immigration in the entire world. so much for the intl proletariat. shithole.

 No.1802229

>>1802220
>lmao why dont you go full communism instantly what could go wrong
Im tired of these smart ass anti-china poster kids thinking they are original with china not communism arguments.

 No.1802230

>>1802227
> just a thousand more years until the development of the productive forces
> we need to force the workers to work more hours not less
> has never read a single fucking word of marx
you people are fucking clowns and prop up a fascist country

 No.1802231

>>1802229
youre right im a communist, i dont give a fuck about China. Maybe try reading Capital instead of your quote book written by a retard

 No.1802232

China is shithole because:
>I can't jack off to porn!
>I can't watch gay people on TV!
>I can't move there!
Glad to know this place has its priorities straight.

 No.1802233

>>211384
For all the unrelated critiques I have of China it really seems they have been vindicated in their project.
Of course it remains to be seen where they go from here but i find it hard to really fault the meteoric rise of the last 30 years.

 No.1802236

Chinese tourists are coming back to my country, but they hardly travel to region I live.

 No.1802237

>>1802232
yes. also enjoy your average 50 hour work week which we all know is socialist.

 No.1802238

>>1802233
socialism is when GDP

 No.1802241

>>1802237
wait until you find out about the average Juche work week or work a blue collar job instead of ERPing all day here.

 No.1802244

>>1802231
What part of dictatorship of proletariat you dont understand?

 No.1802246

>>1802241
wait until you read capital volume 3! or even stalin!

 No.1802250

>>1802246
>You didn't read enough books to understand my specific definition of communism and why everyone else is wrong
Truely rhetoric that really motivates the working class! The revolution is upon us now!

 No.1802252

>>1802232
Us is not a shithole because:
>I can jack off to porn!
>I can watch gay people on TV!
>I can move there!

US is most commie cuntry confirmed????!??

Font: wikipedia

 No.1802259

>>1802232
Im so sorry you have to see conservative vs liberal idpol here. We have so many new friends around here now days.

 No.1802263

>>1802241
>or work a blue collar job instead of ERPing all day here.
I do.
Trust me it's not normal to be working 50 hours, around 40 is the norm for the most part.

 No.1802264

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>>1802219
You were indeed told off and you're totally see-through. You equated sexuality (that is a media representation of a western labeled movement) to a destructive, exploitative industry just because suburban cuckservatives are opposed to it. That's it. Literally just a contrarian for the fuck of it. Without thinking just how utterly horrible that industry is for the people that were subjected to it. Especially women. You got smashed on this issue and you immediately pulled out another one, like a disingenuous whack-a-mole. Just to oppose the CPC. This ousts you as a subversive amorphous fuckass.

>btw i can do this with hiphop too

Rap is pretty popular in China, even used in semi-official retweeted military montages. It's just that you don't get to use a genre of music to promote the subculture of drugs and crime.

>>1802224
>strictest immigration in the entire world
Good. Companies don't get to import cheaper workforce. They're allowed only to improve the lives and wages of the people. There's 1.4 billion of them. They have to take care of the common person and their livelihood/housing/healthcare first. Not some foreigner that didn't build the country.

>so much for the intl proletariat

Chinese “policy of non-interference” was advocated since 1955 and was then fully embraced after the Vietnam war.
China won't give -you- communism, westerner. You'll have to execute a revolution of your own. Instead of being a porn addicted crybaby fuckass on random Vietnamese fishing forums.

>>1802237
>I don't want to work! I want China to export Communism to me while I rap and jerk off all day!
This is why lazy aimless westoids will never have socialism.

 No.1802271

>>1802264
>This is why lazy aimless westoids will never have socialism.

Do they even want socialism? If they want to do nothing and just rot away, it's clearly not socialism. Why are we even listening to people like this in the left?

 No.1802273

>>1802263
>Trust me it's not normal to be working 50 hours
Where I'm from it is.

 No.1802276

>>1802271

Just an example of what working life under Stalinism looked like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wage_reform_in_the_Soviet_Union,_1956%E2%80%931962

 No.1802279

>>1802271
>Do they even want socialism?
That's the question. It could be the whole "robots are going to do everything while we produce art" was just a subversive meme, promoted by bad actors, that infected the socialist movements in the west. Such a lethargic outlook in any movement is basically poison.

Westerners are now basically stuck with this allergy to labor because all the popular "socialist influencer" on the Breadtubes are promoting it.

 No.1802280

>>1802276
Hey man, only i can spam wikipedia links in here. Not cool bro

 No.1802281

>>1802279
It's from marx retard.

 No.1802283

Convinced that ccp fanboys haven't read even the first chapter of capital.

 No.1802286

>>1802276

Also, just to point this out, average salaries in China are higher than per capita GDP, despite having lower dependency ratios than either the US or France / Germany.

The issue isn't the quantity of work done, or even the quality of work done, but the amount of surplus value that the capitalist extracts, and in a socialist country, surplus value extraction is minimized.

 No.1802287

>>1802273
>Where I'm from it is.
You should maybe talk to your workmates and do something about that. :)

 No.1802290

>>1802283
Sectarian cope

 No.1802292

>>1802287
>You should maybe talk to your workmates and do something about that.
I don't live there anymore and they don't want to.

 No.1802293

>>1802283
>ccp
You're glowing.

 No.1802296

>>1802276
Wage reform was done in conjuction with a broader set of reforms, which saw USSR taking away workers' property (even limiting villagers' plots of land) and forbidding them from doing any individual business activity, and also there was Khruschev's set of failed policies which bankrupted the economy, made USSR defaults on it's bonds towards citizens, and so on and so forth. Reform was OBVIOUSLY justified by all kinds of nonsense while the real context was obscured, and Stalin was blamed for everything (le "war destroyed our demography!")

 No.1802300

>>1802195
>About 90% of Chinese people pay 0.0000% income taxes
Is that actually true? What does the 90% percentile Chinese person earn?

Also, the idea of Communists railing against welfare queens is cracking me up

>>1802271
>>1802279
It does bring up a good question - what is the appeal of Chinese communism to the left supposed to be? Can't emigrate to China so all your politics is reduced to is cheering for GDP figures for a country you can't live in and whose policies you don't universally like?

 No.1802302

>>1802279
Yeah, they just want to be Agent Kochinski

>>1802281
It's not. Marx said that people wouldn't stop working, and no amount of automation would replace actually doing work

 No.1802306

>>1802302
Volume three he says lowering the work week is how to bring about socialism but you haven't read past the chapter on money so I wouldn't expect you to know it.

 No.1802308

>>1802300
>what is the appeal of Chinese communism to the left supposed to be?

Chinese have all those nice things, and America is stuck in rent slavery, with no infrastructure, without real jobs and without any hope for the better. GEE I WONDER WHAT'S THE APPEAL OF CHINESE MODEL?????

You have no fucking idea how much the West seethed back in the day at Soviets effortlessly hiring 100k foreign specialists in 1920-30s for it's industrialization, and how much propaganda was invented after that to discredit words of anyone who returned out of those 100k back home after Soviets were done with the foreign labor.

 No.1802309

>>1802300
China doesnt have the porkie in power, tô begin with

 No.1802310

>>1802308
Communism has nothing to do with full employment that's fascist keynesianism bro you'd probably love what ᴉuᴉlossnW was cooking.

 No.1802312

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>>1802306
>lowering the work week is how to bring about socialism

Oh yes, the less you work, the more socialister it is

 No.1802314

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Work hard, fuck hard.

 No.1802319

>>1802314
Wish Europe was like this hate almost dying by car to some office work bobo faggot at rush hours

 No.1802327

>>1793234
Why does this plane have transvestigation lines?
Is this the end conclusion of identifying as a attack copter?

 No.1802337

>>1802312
Beyond it begins that development of human energy which is an end in itself, the true realm of freedom, which, however, can blossom forth only with this realm of necessity as its basis. The shortening of the working-day is its basic prerequisite.

Way to not do the reading retard

 No.1802343

>>1802337
>begins that development of human energy which is an end in itself, the true realm of freedom, which, however, can blossom forth only with this realm of necessity as its basis

Yes, you work creatively instead of just for survival. Work as a hobby

Westoids can't even comprehend the idea that work is supposed to be joyful lmao

 No.1802345

>>1802343
There's no point arguing when the retard Chinese posters are this dishonest

 No.1802348

>>1802345
I only hope that someone in this thread joins a capital reading group

 No.1802349

this thread has made me learn how certain humans think. Its amazing. Ive learned a lot

 No.1802350

>>1802293
Don't tell them the giveaways or they might learn to be more subtle

>>1802300
>Can't emigrate to China
Plenty of opportunity for foreign skilled labor and even mouthbreather English teachers can still get in.

 No.1802351

>>1802300

Likely around 15-20k a year, given that average salaries are about 16k a year and median incomes are around 10k a year.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-06-14/potential-tax-increases-in-china-risk-political-backlash-for-xi

Current PPP modifier is about 1/1.88, so effective living standards are around 19k USD a year for a worker, about 40% of the median American worker.

***

On the other hand, for soft living standards: yes, you're averaging 25-33% more hours, but you live in safe cities with ridiculously low crime rates. Medical care can't really compare to Europe, but it's better than in the United States, where despite medical insurance, cost of treatment is often absurd.

Your media is purged of negativity, and generally there's a sense of optimism, even if the economy isn't growing at breathtaking rates anymore.

Cost of rent is dropping at 5-10% a year, among other things, which combined with improvements in income levels, means that the proportion of rent relative to incomes is dropping about 10-15% a year.

The social fabric is more workable: divorce rates are about 1/14th or 1/7th that of the United States. 16.7% of Americans have a substance abuse disorder in the past year, whereas only 2-4% of Chinese have had an alcohol problem in the past year, with a total of only 1.12 million drug users out of a population of 1.4 billion.

College graduation rates (about 60% of the Chinese college age population is enrolled, compared to 85% in the United States) are about 87% in 4 years, vs around 40% in the United States.

 No.1802354

>>1802308
>Chinese have all those nice things
Are we doing that thing were we pretend that everyone in China is a well off resident of a major city? How is the Dengist model of shrinking the welfare state and not even offering single payer supposed to be enticing?

>>1802343
>Westoids can't even comprehend the idea that work is supposed to be joyful lmao
Do you think everyone in China considers their job joyful?

 No.1802364

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>>1802351
Look at this ass-old comparison. You aren't even comparing living standards properly! You just look at wages in USD and apply a modifier! That's fucking retarded!

 No.1802368

>>1802354
>Are we doing that thing were we pretend that everyone in China is a well off resident of a major city?
China, per capita, has less homelessness, drug addicts and gangs than the US and increasingly the EU. And if you combine the populations of T1 and T2 cities alone you'll still get more people than the US or even the EU.
For being a Socialist country that didn't go out there to bomb and steal resources in the Middle East, they are absolutely doing better. And will continue to do better as the west further plummets in shit.

 No.1802375

>>1802354
>reeeeee China is rural and poor and I don't believe tour guides and propaganda videos! They are all lying, lying, lying!

Yawn

>Dengist model of shrinking the welfare state and not even offering single payer


Man, I absolutely loathe idiots like you. You do realize that Westoids instead of looking at China honestly just seek out how to present facts in the worst light possible?

China under Deng had a system of SOEs - each individual SOE - giving their old workers pensions. Why would old folks FUCKING CARE about a unified pension system when they had pension from their old place of work? They to this day receive apartments from their workplace, ffs, like it's USSR

 No.1802385

>>1802351
>given that average salaries are about 16k a year and median incomes are around 10k a year
That's way more inequality than I'd expect. Also I can't read the full Bloomberg article but it seems hilarious. The Communist party can't risk a backlash from the wealthy? Are you sure the billionaires aren't in charge? Is Reagan's ghost secretly running China?

>>1802368
What percentage of people live in T1 and T2 cities?

>>1802375
Why is the pension system run through SOEs and not the state - are you at risk if you didn't retire at an SOE?

 No.1802386

>>1802349
What did you learn, what did you discover of what others think

 No.1802387

>>1802354

Are we also doing the thing where we pretend that levels of accumulated capital, human, social, and physical, are matters of cultural choice?

China was 1/20th the US GDP per capita 30 years ago. It's now 1/7th. Likely, in another 10 years, it'll be about 1/5th to 1/4th, and there'll probably be technological parity or superiority all across the board.

***

For a purported Democrat, you really do like the idea of being born on third base and thinking you scored a triple.

 No.1802390

>>1802386
that people have varying degrees of autism

 No.1802391

>>1802390
Who, and why

 No.1802393

>>1802387
As a Democrat, it's funny that I have a more radical opinion on soaking the rich than the leaders of a communist country

 No.1802394

>>1802385
>Why is the pension system run through SOEs

Because you work at SOE, and SOE is essentially workers-owned, meaning that workers collectively decided that SOE's profits are going to be used to pay SOE's workers' pensions

Are you retarded? Have you never thought about what worker ownership entails?

>b-but everyone does it through the state…


Because porkies don't pay workers pensions, so bourgeois state has to take over there. USSR didn't have state pensions in 1920-30-40-50s either. You only need state pensions under socialism if there's a suitably large population of people without old age savings and kids - i.e. if there's a lot of small enterprise. Or if factories and collective farms are insolvent, and state has to subsidize pensions anyway, so you are better off to take over that function by the state same reason as bourgeois state, mathematically speking

 No.1802395

>>1802391
everyone one here including me.

 No.1802396

>>1802393
Only because idiots like you keep on believing Westoid lies about hired managers of Chinese SOEs being owners of those SOEs (and thus neither is SOE a SOE and nor is China free of billionaires)

 No.1802398

>>1802394
>Because porkies don't pay workers pensions
What happens to people who work at private companies?

>>1802396
You think every rich person in China works at an SOE? Why would it make a difference anyway, the rich are the rich and should pay more to fund the welfare state

 No.1802402

>>1802398
dem poster were you the ancap troll a while back

 No.1802403

>>1802402
no? why would an ancap advocate for higher taxes?

 No.1802404

>>1802385

It's not like Xi hasn't been telling his billionaires to cough up money into philanthropic spending or else already.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2021/7/
16/why-are-chinas-billionaires-suddenly-feeling-so-generous

Remember, the US is spending 500 million on anti-China coverage, so the article is going to be jaundiced, but the bigger problem is that under a planned economy, no one pays any taxes, and it's a psychological shock to owe the government money.

As for actual tax rates, the top income bracket in China is 45%, the same as in Germany and France. In comparison, the US's top income bracket pays 37%.

For Americans, 37% kicks in at 8 times average salaries,
45% kicks in for Germans at 5x average salaries, 3x average salaries for the French, and 12x average salaries for China.

If you are ridiculously rich in China, yes, you are taxed much higher, however, if you are poorer, you pay nothing, if you are middle class, you pay less, all as a proportion of your income.

 No.1802407

>>1802403
there was a maoist poster who pretended to be an ancap. And he would come here to debate the "dengists". You are giving me the same vibes.

 No.1802411

>>1802398
>What happens to people who work at private companies?

Probably use some pension fund, but much more likely - parent SOE of that "private" company also pays pension to "daughter" company's employees.

>Why would it make a difference anyway


Gee, what difference would it make if the world was to see that China's SOEs are SOEs and not private enterprise? Gee, I wonder what would happen to Westoid neoliberal consensus if they were brought in front of the fact that China is growing faster than any other country in history debatable if comparing to USSR under Stalin while also not being the part of neoliberal consensus but rather follows a stalinist model. Maaan

>muh welfare state


Is a failed god of a neoliberal consensus

 No.1802428

>>1802404
>It's not like Xi hasn't been telling his billionaires to cough up money into philanthropic spending or else already
This just makes it funnier - cutting taxes because the rich will fund charity instead is classic Republican ideology in the US. Ghost Reagan really is funding China. It's crazy to think that Xi can't put his foot down and demand more from the wealthy than other countries

>>1802411
What is the point of leftism without a strong welfare state? Does Chinese communism just boil down to good benefits at Sinopharm?

 No.1802433

>>1802428
>good benefits

Lol, lmao even. Is it so hard to admit that China's problems as presented by Westoid "truth seekers" and "China experts" are misrepresented and exaggerated?

Remember, this whole discussion started with me saying that China's example alone is enough for leftists to get people on their side. If leftists would say - "we want our economy to be run like in China, with similar results" - they would get enormous boost in popularity

 No.1802435

>>1802433
Really uygha? I think like less than 10% of westerners have a positive opinion of China

 No.1802438

>>1802433
It's not clear to me why leftists worldwide would want to run on tax cuts for the rich and shrinking the welfare state. Mass nationalization of the economy isn't popular everywhere - state run enterprises exist in every country, some are good, some are terrible

 No.1802443

>>1802435
Obviously, you have to show Westoids what life is like in China. Normally, showing cities and apartments and futuristic-looking trains and air taxis and robots serving meals and such would do the trick

And if China does a Moon base, well, denial doesn't work against Sputnik moments

 No.1802445

>>1802438
Look at this guy not arguing in good faith and continuing with his "Dengist shrinking the welfare state" spiel despite being proven wrong

 No.1802447

>>1802443
You can try show people that but they'll most likely just reflexively respond like 'muh authoritarianism, muh Winnie the pooh', etc

 No.1802448

>>1802428

No one is proposing to cut taxes. The point is that the SOE sector in China has traditionally funded the Chinese state.

Hell, when it comes to East Asia in general; the South Koreans pay 17% of GDP in tax, the Taiwanese pay an astonishing 10% of GDP in tax.

***

Also, essentially, in the East Asian model, employee/employer relationships are stable and do not fire except for extreme fault.

Social benefits are expected to be handled by the company, not the government, which is how South Korea has 17% taxes and 18.77% goverment spending. China has 15-17% taxes and 33% government spending.

In particular, in the Chinese case, the line between government and corporates are blurred, not because corporations have undue influence on government, but because the major corporations are already arms of the government.

 No.1802450

>>1802447
Doesn't work against Sputnik moment. Just ask Americans where are their Moon robot, and you are going to get a whole lot of seething

 No.1802458

>>1802450
Most people don't care that much about stuff like that. I've tried to explain to people how Chinese citizens are so much happier and more approving of their government but they just will say that it doesn't matter because they don't have freedumbs, and/or everything good about China is fake.

 No.1802463

>>1802458
So what? Ridicule them about freedumbs. Freedumbs is the last escape of an idiot

 No.1802467

>>1802463
Generally some guy ridiculing them doesn't make people change their opinions.

 No.1802473

>>1802467
It is impossible to persuade people who don't want to be persuaded to begin with. You need shock value - like Sputnik moment - to make people reconsider their beliefs.

 No.1802491

>>1802473
if you are talking about the dem poster, I suspect you wont change his opinion anyway. I think hes that maoist who pretends to be different ideologies everytime so to gotcha the people in this thread. He isnt coming in good faith anyway.

 No.1802494

>>1802445
Where? All I've seen is not refutations about say, healthcare, but noun, verb, SOE

>>1802448
>No one is proposing to cut taxes
You are if you live in the West and trying to imitate China. Eliminating the income tax for the bottom 90% would be unheard of in the US even though the less well-off get tax refunds instead

>>1802467
>>1802473
The fundamental problem with China's image in the West is that "they took our jobs". You can try to tell someone in the Rust Belt that manufacturing concentration in China makes them better off in the long run, but who actually believes that nowadays?

 No.1802501

>>1802494
>The fundamental problem with China's image in the West is that "they took our jobs".

In my opinion, it's not really, it's just people repeating the media/social media propaganda they've heard.

 No.1802502

>>1802494
>they took our jobs

If you want to compete with China, you'll have to learn from China. What's the fucking problem? It's easy argument

 No.1802525

>>1802501
The reason why the propaganda sticks is because a lot more people believe Chinese gain is America's loss. Essentially, the US deindustrialized to build up its biggest rival? That stings

>>1802502
You're not going to like what it looks like - adopting Chinese methods against China would look like the Tiktok ban

 No.1802533

>>1802494
The point with the SOE crap is, nationalize the commanding heights of the economy, or more realistically, order existing SOEs to seek profit and use dividends to finance government costs. More realistically, simply open up a proper SWF like the Norwegians did, where their pension fund reported earnings equal to half their national GDP last year.

You can’t cut taxes unless you have a way to compensate for lost revenues. We are way to the left of the Laffer Curve; any attempt to cut taxes may spur economic growth in the short run, but will lead to default in the long run, and if we are talking about the United States, your debt is so bad the only way out is default.

 No.1802540

I feel like China is strong enough to resist international capital.

 No.1802545

>>1802525
>adopting Chinese methods against China would look like the Tiktok ban

Ah yes, the famous "Chinese are more efficient - we need to ban everything and everyone Chinese!" Gee, I wonder when Chinese did anything like that :^)

American copium is something else, alright. Corrupt and inefficient American shipbuilding that's 20 times less efficient than Japanese shipbuilding despite having the sameish amount of jobs, asks to ban Chinese product instead of, you know, to improve American production capacity. It's always fucking this: when talking about adversaries, it's always about banning and doing nothing industrial, never actually about learning from the adversary but rather about securing the inefficient American monopoly

 No.1802549

>>1802533
Nationalize porkies who aren't patriotic/national enough, create trade unions with power to alter deals one-sidedly, create consumer unions to control prices, create supervisor boards for all the corporations staffed with workers of those corporations to prevent scheming. Ensure those measures are carried out, and strangle the capital into submission if it resists this totally fair popular people's control over the industries. It's not even changing ownership of companies, it's just ensuring that companies are doing what the people want

 No.1802552

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>>1802364
Early poljack dreaming of a Ukraine highly developed for western tourism.

 No.1802554

>>1802552

By which, they mean the country is impoverished, bombed out, and there's tons of young girls looking for quick money.

 No.1802555

>>1802545
Protectionism was good for China, why not the West?

>>1802549
>create trade unions with power to alter deals one-sidedly, create consumer unions to control prices
Does China have this?

 No.1802558

>>1802491
>I think hes that maoist who pretends to be different ideologies everytime so to gotcha the people in this thread. He isnt coming in good faith anyway.
Yea he was larping as an anarchist here for a while, obsessively making bait OPs and trying to make every general be about China.

 No.1802560

>>1802554
>By which, they mean the country is impoverished, bombed out, and there's tons of young girls looking for quick money.
But with foreign owned hotels and palm trees.

 No.1802563

>>1802555
>China
>protectionism

See? Westoids yet again lie about China. If you want Chinese-style "protectionism" for USA, USA needs to call Chinese to build factories in USA Trump wants this, by the way, after his little protectionist trade war was an utter failure. China's special thing about this was that China had SOEs basically owning the resulting joint stock companies and Westoids having no real say inside those joint stock companies

 No.1802589

>>1802558
Anarchism shall work under autonomus cooperatives under market socialism. I dont see other option, except for voluntary work and mutualism. This is not the thread for this discussion though, so i will stop being offtopic.

 No.1802591

Also, regarding the comments about Chinese inequality, the numbers in China are distorted by the fact that China's poorest provinces, at last check, have a 1:3.2 ratio between them and the richest provinces, compared to 3:4 in France and 1:2 in the United States.

Gansu dirt fucker (they're getting solar farms for energy exports, don't worry) makes less than 1/3rd that of the Jiangsu solarpunker next to Shanghai.

The 63:100 ratio between median and average wage is bad, but it's accentuated by national inequality. In the US, it's roughly 80:100 between median and average wage, helped out in part by the fact that, in China, business owners tend to pay themselves wages instead of collect dividends, and in the US, business owners prefer to collect dividends or sell stock options.

 No.1802683

>>1802558
bruh he was doing that too,lmao

 No.1802817

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lol this honka (not to be confused with uygha)

 No.1802868

>>1802817
Brain colonized Hong Kongers ought to be put out of their misery.

 No.1802908

>>1802817
he will never be white.

 No.1802910

>>1802868
easy enough, can they speak english? wall

 No.1802988

>>1802910
but anon…what language have you wrote that post in right now?

 No.1802990

Based, this is what market socialism is all about

 No.1802991

>>1802990
Making the porkie run for their lives

 No.1802992

>>1802990
unironic kino banner, where do we post banner suggestions to the mods?

 No.1802998

>>1802992
Go to /faq/, there is an option to post your banner sugestions in there

 No.1803061

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>>1802817
>Schools under CCP rule
>Please come home safe!
I know. You never know when your kid might catch a bullet from a chinlet that decides to light up the school with an AR-15 while livestreaming it to his /pol/ fbi.gov friends because the girl he was creeping on dated a Black guy. It makes me realize that I should be grateful to like in the USA, where nothing like that ever happens.

 No.1803075

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>>1802817
this aged well

 No.1803143

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When did you realize "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" is just National Socialism ?(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

 No.1803155

>>1803143
Nothing wrong with it.

 No.1803157

>>1803143
Posting old raid maymays we used to fuck with /pol/ here is gauche son.

 No.1803159

>>1803143
OH MY GOD ARE THOSE SOLDIERS IN UNIFORM STANDING AT ATTENTION! THIS HECKIN FASHISM!

 No.1803160

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>>1803143
WTF? AND THEY GOOSE STEP TOO! THAT'S LITERALLY HOW NAZIS WALK.

 No.1803161

>>1803159
Its not just the uniform its the economic structure too that makes them NatSoc

 No.1803192

>>1803161
Is Vietnam also NatSoc to you

 No.1803194

>>1803192
Yes. Of course. The country is teeming with private property and even has a stock market

 No.1803198

>>1803194
<Is Vietnam also NatSoc to you
>Yes. Of course.
>When did you realize "Socialism with Chinese Characteristics" is just National Socialism ?

I think you exist to annoy me, in specific.

 No.1803208

>>1803198
But its true. Hitler was a reactionary who left communist party of Bavaria for nationalism and dirigisme. Similarly, nowadays, many communist parties are filled with national socialists, and they have abandoned Marxist socialism in all but aesthetics since they began restoring capitalism around the 1990s.

 No.1803214

>>1803143
>>1803161
>>1803194
>A socialist country in the lower stages of socialism is the same as a fascist country that massacred millions of Communists and ethnic minorities HERP A DERP DERP

 No.1803217

>>1803194
There is no capitalist private property in Communist China. All property exists under proletarian dictatorship, so all property is de-facto communal.

There are no stock markets in Communist China, there are only labor-value voucher distribution systems.

 No.1803219

>>1803208
I will put it simply, name what were the evil deeds of the EVIL natsoc communist china

 No.1803236

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>>1803214
>A socialist country in the lower stages of socialism
>Xi Jinping said we wont go back to centrally planned economy
>Liu He said the same
Its not lower stage of socialism. Its lower stage of capitalism. By 2050 economy will be fully liberalized.

>>1803219
nothing yet

>>1803217
>pic rel

 No.1803255

>>1803236
>Xi Jinping said we wont go back to centrally planned economy
You people always repeat the same jargon that we have debunked multiple times. He was talking about the old war planning economy it wasn't a dismissal of all planning
>By 2050 economy will be fully liberalized.
Can't wait till you are proven wrong once again ultra

 No.1803297

>>1803236
<your meds, schizo
>you're wrong that mao zedong thought is developing the country to a lower stage of socialism because i see that it will all come to nothing with my intepretation of the Chineses' secret desires
i mean you're the one disregarding reality based on threadbare theories about the intentions of the cpc
isn't that kind of more schizo anon
you're just another flavor of the people who think the chinese and the jews control the world. you think the bourgeoisie is secretly in league together and there are no contradictions between porkies on upper and lower rungs of the colonially-cemented value chain allowing them to be used by the other classes in league politically guided by mao zedong thought. you guys resort to threadbare connections about chinese trade internationally to paint a picture of chinese imperialism in the same way as The Economist. you just do it out of pure ignorance and feel superior for it

 No.1803304

>>1803236
Actually it'll be fully liberalized in just 2 weeks, shitlord.

 No.1803319

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>>1803255
>Can't wait till you are proven wrong once again ultra
Once again ? When were we proven wrong to begin with ? Lets do a recap. Since the reforms things happened just as we predicted. See pic rel.

>He was talking about the old war planning economy it wasn't a dismissal of all planning

Dirigisme is not socialism dengbeetle. They dont mention anything about abolition of commodity production, wage labor etc.

>>1803297
>mao zedong thought
Mao literally said Deng was a capitalist roader

 No.1803365

>>1803319
>>mao zedong thought
>Mao literally said Deng was a capitalist roader
cmon man it's 2024 and you're still cherrypicking random moments from Mao + Deng arc? grow up

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 No.1803425

>>1803319
>le private and foreign ownership

Joint stock companies - who owns them? No, really. Where do you put them? >>1797071

>Article 75 To incorporate a joint stock limited company, there shall be five or more sponsors, of which more than half must have their domicile within the territory of the People’s Republic of China.


>Where a State-owned enterprise is restructured as a joint stock limited company, there may be less than five sponsors, however, such a company shall be incorporated by means of share offer.


>Article 81 Where a State-owned enterprise is restructured as a joint stock limited company, it shall be strictly prohibited to convert the State-owned assets into shares at a depressed price or to sell off them at a depressed price, or to distribute them to individuals without charge.


>Article 15 Companies must protect the lawful rights and interests of their staff and workers, and strengthen labour protection so as to achieve safety in production. Companies shall apply various forms to strengthen professional education and on-the-job training of their staff and workers so as to improve their quality.


>Article 16 Company’s staff and workers shall, in accordance with the law, organize a trade union to carry out the trade union activities and protect the lawful rights and interests of the staff and workers. The company shall provide its trade union with conditions necessary for carrying out its activities. Wholly State-owned companies and limited liability companies invested in and established by two or more State-owned enterprises or by two or more other State-owned investment entities shall, through staff and workers’ congresses or other forms, practice democratic management in accordance with the provisions of the Constitution and relevant laws.


>Article 17 The grass-root organizations of the Communist Party of China in companies shall carry out their activities in accordance with the Constitution of the Communist Party of China.


>Article 124 A joint stock limited company shall have a supervisory board composed of no less than three members. The supervisory board shall elect a convener from among its members. The supervisory board shall be composed of shareholders’ representatives and an appropriate proportion of representatives of the staff and workers of the company, and the specific proportion of such representatives shall be provided for by the articles of association of the company. The representatives of the staff and workers serving on the supervisory board shall be democratically elected by the staff and workers of the company. Directors, managers and responsible persons in charge of the financial affairs of the company may not serve concurrently as supervisors.

 No.1803426

>>1803319
>>1803425
Moreso, you idiots present small scale enterprise - self-employed and small companies - as private enterprise.

Bourgeois economics DO NOT FIT INTO SOCIALISM. They cannot fucking measure it, they call cooperatives private enterprise, for fuck's sake

 No.1803434

Remember that this man wants to ban TikTok because he cares about the privacy of American citizens…
https://archive.ph/ejejL
>Republican Rep. Mike Gallagher, who led the charge on a bill that could effectively ban TikTok within the country — on the basis that China can “surveil its users” — plans to take up a post with the American surveillance company and defense contractor Palantir, Forbes reported.
>Earlier on Friday, the Wisconsin congressman announced that he would be resigning from Congress next month and that his last day will be April 19. His departure further shrinks Republicans’ slim majority and leave their party with a 217-213 majority in the House. Forbes wrote that Gallagher’s title at the company is still unknown.
>Gallagher, who currently chairs the Select Committee on the Chinese Communist Party, was the lead sponsor on the bill that would force TikTok‘s Chinese parent company ByteDance to sell the popular social media platform within six months or face a potential ban from app stores and web-hosting services.
>After the vote, Palantir executive Jacob Helberg, who also serves on the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, called on his social media followers to fund opponents to lawmakers who voted no on the bill to ban TikTok. Gallagher worked with Helberg in recent months as part of an effort to build bipartisan, bicoastal support of the bill. Helberg took a job at Palantir as a senior policy advisor to CEO Alex Karp back in August.
>“Under ByteDance’s ownership structure,” he said, “the Chinese government has the ability to manipulate TikTok’s algorithm, surveil its users, and conduct influence operations that quietly populate Americans’ ‘For You’ pages.”

 No.1803554

>>1803434
I don't understand how it's possible to be pro-China and give a shit about surveillance

 No.1803556

>>1803319
I'm convinced you are developmentally stunted.

 No.1803563

>>1803556
dont care about dengist opinion

 No.1803565

>>1803563
>dont care about dengist opinion

:(

 No.1803648

>>1802300
>About 90% of Chinese people pay 0.0000% income taxes
>Is that actually true? What does the 90% percentile Chinese person earn?
>Just earn below 5k CNY
>Also, the idea of Communists railing against welfare queens is cracking me up
>First time?

 No.1803686

>>1803377
> Gommunism makes people poor
Can revisionists not repeat porky propaganda for like, 5 minutes?

 No.1803717

>>1803686
you have autism

 No.1803746

>>1802411
> China's SOEs are SOEs and not private enterprise?
Chinese SOEs have been profit oriented for a while
https://web.archive.org/web/20170628161602/https://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2017-06/28/c_136401919.htm

 No.1803792

time to adress the elephant in the room

are Chinese products as low quality as seen here?

 No.1803795

>>1803792
my brother in christ, at least half of the items in your house is made in china or has a component which is made in china

 No.1803799

>>1803746
>profit-oriented
<a post about corporate reform

Yawn

 No.1803804

>>1803795
truer words have never been spoken, but for some fakin reason, made in china things are now even more vilified as death hazards, the whole reason i posted this is because a family member in the supermarket said today to look for the insignia on products, never buy anything from china, buy instead from japan, germany or anything that has the EU symbol on it, he did not give a fuck for the last 20 years, but now? ohh no, NOW he cares about protecting himelf from the ceeceepee inferior products

 No.1803852

>>1803804
Look up "Japan bashing". It's just propaganda and CIA is going overdrive with the funding. A literal war is coming.

 No.1804015

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Tankies will hate Khrushchev for this but they will call China socialist.

 No.1804063

>>1803143
Where is the Chinese Lebensraum? Where are the Chinese concentration camps? Where is the Chinese war on all fronts?

 No.1804069

>>1804015
how is this a bad hting? these were private real estate developers that ended up speculating instead of actually building new homes(or finishing them if they started)

 No.1804072

>>1803143
mods = gods

 No.1804077

>>1804015
WE MUST BAIL OUT DEVELOPERS AT ALL COSTS. LET THE CITIZENS GO BANKRUPT AND LOSE THEIR HOMES.
>t. the West, 2008

 No.1804095

A quick, impromptu but always necessary friendly reminder:
the correct name of the party in English is
COMMUNIST PARTY OF CHINA
which as an acronym is
CPC
People using some other acronym are obviously propagandised people. Their choice of words is a shibboleth. Let's always remember that. And there's also a very silly reason why they use a wrong acronym: its two first letters reminds of the word sissy. They clearly have issues and insecurities on a very personal and intimate level. We should always be mindful and considerate around them.

>>1796909
Friggin' based. He broke so many bones filming his movies that no insurance company has accepted to cover him for decades. In pic 1 he looks scaringly similar to Bill Gates, tho…

 No.1804097

>>1804095
>use their correct pronouns or youre le westoid glowie cia agent

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 No.1804127

>>1804097
Friendly and politely: just go fuck yourself and have a nice rest of the day.

 No.1804129

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>>1804095
>there's also a very silly reason why they use a wrong acronym: its two first letters reminds of the word sissy
First time hearing this.

They use CCP because it reminds them of scary propaganda footage showing the Cyrillic letters CCCP
Same boomers that are rolling this anti red China propaganda now are the same boomers that seethed and shit themselves over the Soviets.

 No.1804138

>>1803792
What about western products then? Ah, yeah, sorry! Been too busy completely deindustrialising and not having a manufacturing base anymore, lol!

>>1804129
It was just an impression I had. I mean, you can just hear the smugness in their voice when you hear those rightwing propagandists uttering the wrong acronym. But I guess you're right, tho I have to say that I hear that from younger people that couldn't have been around back then. As for boomers, good thing is in two or three decades they won't be an issue anymore.

 No.1804141

>>1804138
Blimey! Posted same video twice! This is the one I wanted to post!

 No.1804145

>>1803792
>>1803792
When most goods are made in China, why would anyone be surprised that bad products are from China when all the good products are also from China? Its cherry picking it.

Besides, a lot of the 'bad' products are just bootlegs. And that's a good thing. Fuck name-brands. Bootlegs often serve the exact same purpose, do the exact same job, for a more affordable price. Westoid youtubers know this and even film themselves going to countries like China and Bangladesh to go on shopping sprees.

 No.1804146

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>>1804145
<When most goods are made in China, why would anyone be surprised that bad products are from China when all the good products are also from China? Its cherry picking it.

Illustration for the retarded.

 No.1804204

>>1803792
You high quality shit is from China too, or at least most of its components are from China.

 No.1804205

>>1804145
Lol. Lmao. Most Chinese replicas are dogshit except for the uber popular stuff like Nike's Air Forces where some of the repmakers match the quality of the originals for a cheaper price.

 No.1804210

>>1804146
good hand clipart

 No.1804213

Unsurprisingly, the Three Body Problem series makes all the heroic characters white and the Chinese characters make things worse or are just there to get fucked, literally.

 No.1804246

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>>1804213
LMAO

But yeah, whoever let Shitflix license that thing was retarded. We might slip back into the "Chinese lack of soft media power" discourse again but the CPC really has to do something about how they handle their movies/series/music etc.

The Chinese need to not only build up and expand their entertainment industry but also build up their confidence in it. Their movies/games/manhua/donghua/dramas/music etc. are not only consumed by usual suspects like Singapore, Taiwan and Vietnam but they're also gaining ground in Japan and Korea. Their domestic market plus countries with similar tastes are enough to make giants out of their medias. So instead of pandering to the west they should just make what -they- like and promote it aggressively. It'll catch on, like Kpop and Kdramas did - thanks to government funding.

See how well received Japanese Alice in Borderland or Korean Squid Games were on Netflix. Not even dubbed.
But the Chinese Netflix entry needed a whole ass "adaptation" for western interest? Come on.

 No.1804248

>>1804246
I personally got the feeling from reading it that the author is not particularly pro-China or left wing. A large part of the first book is dedicated to shitting on the cultural revolution.

 No.1804277

>>1804248
It's also about how selling your people out to hostile foreigners just because the government made mistakes is profoundly retarded

 No.1804302

>>1804248
Don't know about the book, but in Chinese series cultural revolution wasn't even presented like a mistake. Say, this scientist woman who was suffering from repressions was walking by huge celebrations by other people, and they didn't look unhappy at all. Then the authorities singled her out and helped find a job more suited to her skills, and she herself was repressed by a careerist love interest

It is presented as overreach that a person was repressed for reading foreign book - or rather for having an unauthorized communications with foreign scientists. Wasn't the decision of authorities to repress scientists for such communications ultimately justified? It's like the central point of the book, no?

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The Thai government is going to launch a digital baht, modeled after the digital RMB in near future, and they plan to initiate it with digital stimulus checks featuring expirable money later this year.

 No.1804329

>>1804314
CBDC is the way to go. Michael Hudson said this and I'm backing him 100%. It also makes narco-crapitalists and crypto-weirdos mad - even tho is very difficult to get even more mad than they already are. And that's an added bonus.
Also, the idea of expirable money was proposed a long time ago in a work called "Scrip stamp" or something like that. I don't remember the author, I'm not sure if it was Keynes himself or some very early Keynesian. Years ago I read that supposedly it was tested in a small part of Austria after ww2, but the experiment was stopped after it was clear that it made the economy of the place grow for the general benefit but it was obviously not a feasible mean for accumulation and speculation.

 No.1804330

>>1804329
Just to clarify: CBDC doesn't have to be expirable, it's just a possible application.

 No.1804338

>>1804015
>allow private real estate speculation
>allow companies to enter and exit freely without state intervention
yeah its capitalism

 No.1804398

Based

 No.1804450

>>1804246
It’s just not a Chinese priority. Jiangsu Zhejiang Fujian Guangzhou are qualified right now to exercise soft power, but put together, that’s like 250 million people.

The overall country is 1.4 billion strong, and orienting toward soft power might form a way of developing the coastal economies, but the rest of the country isn’t qualified for it.

 No.1804456

>>1804338
>The government taking over the housing market with state owned conglomerates and liquidating the wealth of speculators is an example of capitalism
kill yourself

 No.1804457

>>1804398
Finally. Next up: Winslop

 No.1804479

>>1804456
> t. Dengoids allucinating again

 No.1804487

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Whats the anti-dengist explanation?

 No.1804489

>>1804457
The computers of the government already allegedly run fairly major numbers of Qilin Linux computer instances.

 No.1804493

>>1804487
The gini index of what, though?

 No.1804496

>>1804487
that graph is shit and the sources for the data are even worse, it is made up
anti-dengism isn't a coherent body you can reference. anti-dengist positions are made on the spot as a way to attack the prc and/or save face on internet discussions. as such, these positions usually contradict each other or focus on very particular issues. there is no systematic and coherent anti-dengist description of reality

 No.1804503

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>>1804479
China's housing market is being destroyed and de-commodified in real time while pathetic "anti dengists" screech about capitalism while paying 200% of their income in monthly rents (they have to borrow from loan sharks to live in a shitty apartment).

 No.1804518

>>1804503
>pic
Westoid who wrote this is clearly in denial. "W-what are you trying to do?!" "why do you need the state to rent out properties???" "where will you get the money, you can't be this rich!" "muh ghost cities". His whole worldview revolves around the profit motiff, and then he sees that state carrying out social functions, and his brain shuts off

 No.1804528

>>1804450
>Jiangsu Zhejiang Fujian Guangzhou are qualified right now to exercise soft power
That's cool.

>put together, that’s like 250 million people

Ok so like 50 million more people than Japan and Korea put together.

>the rest of the country isn’t qualified for it

Well fair enough. Even having one province be the "Hollywood" of China would be enough. Hong Kong used to be the movie powerhouse, employing Japanese and Taiwanese actors as well.

 No.1804826

>>1804503
The INTENTIONAL deflation of the price of housing really causes a lot of autistic screeching. As much as people complain about housing costs, they also accept as a baseline fact that property values cannot go down. It's a poltiical problem that circumscribes what kind of economic theories are considered credible or even rational.

 No.1804838

>>1804493
American?

 No.1804904

>>1804246
The book:
>the crew will die and they’re kinda bad guys but they’re mostly normal people
Chinese censors working on Tencent:
>the crew are the most horrible people alive and they deserve to die because they’re a bunch of supervillains
Angloids-Burgers:
>KILL THE CHILDREN

 No.1804911

>>1804246
I watched this show with my mother on netflix. Been ranting to her for days how well see a lit more of this anti Chinese stuff in media through the coming decades.

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 No.1804991

>>1804210
Oh god. You’re back?

 No.1804995

>>1804246
Why does Kojima write shit in English? Is he an Ameriboo?

 No.1805085

>>1804995
It’s still the primary international language. Little else to say about it.

 No.1805159

>>1804995
>Is he an Ameriboo?
Yes.

 No.1805167

by Tencent

 No.1805206

>>1804911
Since it's been released I've seen a lot more anit-Chinese racism prompted by the cultural revolution stuff which is accentuated because the show removes all the modern Chinese scenes and heros that come after that small vignette which sets it some of the background. I really think that the CR scene will end up being definitive in many people's minds about what China is like. Pretty horrible. I think the decision to leave that in but make all the heroes British is obviously racist and indefensible.

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>>1805209
How does someone living in America criticize another country for having "murder seasons"

 No.1805215

>>1805209
Tbh I don't think I'm just being naive, as Westoids start visiting China again this guys going to face some backlash for all this crap. He's constructed such a bizarre view of China I don't think it can withstand anyone actually visiting in 2024.

 No.1805216

>>1805211
that's the beauty of cultural hegemony for you

 No.1805217

>>1805215
>Tbh I don't think I'm just being naive, as Westoids start visiting China again this guys going to face some backlash for all this crap.

Not really, people who actually travel the world aren't sitting watching this kind of YT crap, and anyone defending China will just be made fun of and written off for being a 50 cent army wumao shill (etc etc) TIANENMEN SQUARE 1989 etc

 No.1805219

>>1805217
Not really, people who actually travel the world aren't sitting watching this kind of YT crap, and anyone defending China will just be made fun of and written off for being a 50 cent army wumao shill (etc etc) TIANENMEN SQUARE 1989 etc
This shit was really making the rounds from like 2018 to 2022, but after Ukraine took the spotlight I barely see this stuff anymore outside of communities explicitly dedicated to hating China, like r/China. The West came to the bitter realization that it needs China, although they've squandered a lot of good will of China in the last ten years.

Sinophobia peaked in the beginning of covid, but then faded away somewhat. Might resurface with another Trump presidency if he wants to go hard on the Taiwan/Taiwan Strait issue.

 No.1805220

>>1805217
Plenty of people who watch his garbage are just normal people who travel from time to time. I don't think the idea that "people who watch crap on YouTube about other countries don't travel" is right. Since 2019 westoid tourism to China dropped to almost nothing, and there was simply no alternative viewpoint whatsoever, and during that time his content went in an extremely negative, bigoted and outright dishonest direction possibly due to audience capture. But China offering visa free travel and other inducements for tourism means more people will go. They will report their experiences and I think they will be acutely aware that their expectations set up by YT personalities were hugely off the mark.

 No.1805221

>>1805215
Americans don't travel and Europeans don't watch his shit.

 No.1805222

>>1805219
I dunno man. All I see online is people hating China except for weirdo spaces like here. I rarely ever see anyone with something good to say about them.

 No.1805223

File: 1711342537740-0.png (46.63 KB, 620x540, D47rZ0KXoAAVhkk.png)

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>>1805222
That's because you're stuck in the anglophone prison.

 No.1805224

>>1805223
Well that's what we're talking about, I'm sure the Chinese internet has a much more nuanced perspective on China

 No.1805225

>>1805222
He's right that during covid the sinophobia was actually more extreme. If you go back to what people were saying at that time it's crazy. Just open calls for total Chinese exclusion and so on. It's relaxed a bit but Americans ONLY receive info on China through highly filtered sources that are actually fairly concerted with each other to present a view of a country that is declining, becoming poorer, unhappy, and dystopian. But that isn't the reality and I feel like it's kind of obvious that China as its imagined in the US and China as it is are more at odds with each other than they've ever been in my lifetime.

 No.1805227

File: 1711342637456.webm (15.65 MB, 640x360, Season.webm)

>>1805209
here's the jist of the vid

 No.1805228

>>1805209
>>1805227
Why even post this vile dogshit here? Might as well post Falun Gong news.

 No.1805229

>>1805228
Because you need to understand where brainwashed burgers come from.

 No.1805230

>>1805227
>you CANNOT protest in China
>30 seconds later shows like 50 people protesting

The people who watch this are actually retarded

 No.1805231

>>1805228
>Might as well post Falun Gong news.
I'm more of an Eastern Lightning connoisseur.

 No.1805233

>>1805229
Everybody understands that here. >>1802132

It's just retarded mindrot for retarded golems that will soon be sent to war.

 No.1805234

>>1805227
Those kindergarten teachers trying to catch that hooded dude were hilarious, it just makes me like China more.

 No.1805236

>>1805234
It's a drill after that one psycho stabbed kids at the kindergarten and there was an outrage. It's not a "common occurrence" like that sideburned cuck implies. Police has mancatcher drills too.

Of course it's all projection due to all the school shootings and anti school shooter drills that do happen constantly in the US.

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 No.1805246

>>1805225
>>1805222
Hate crimes against Asians in America peaked in 2021 and still remain higher now than they ever were before 2021.

 No.1805247


 No.1805250

>>1805247
Per capita is also not fair since China has more people than US and Europe put together. School shooting/stabbing from Europe should be bundled as well.

 No.1805253

>>1805250
that doesn't even count the number of school stabbings in America either

 No.1805254

>>1805253
are there any? said video tries to push the narrative that it is an exclusively chinese thing

 No.1805255

>>1805254
Why stab when you can just magdump people with your aayy arr fifteen.
Stabbings (and beheading) occur in UK.

 No.1805256

>>1805254
Yes, lots of them go undereported due to minor protection laws. The media just pushes mass shootings for gun control identity politics
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Franklin_Regional_High_School_stabbing

 No.1805263

Jesus did WHAT

 No.1805270

>>1804246 Would you like me to read a particularly ideological part of "The Three-Body Problem"?(The Seventh Chapter: The Crazy Era)

> "The attack on the headquarters of the 'April 28th Faction' by the 'Red Alliance' had been ongoing for two days. Their flags fluttered restlessly around the building, as if eager for kindling."


The local armed conflicts during the Cultural Revolution were far more intense than typical demonstrations. Red Guards of different ideologies were attacking each other. In China, where large-scale demonstrations are now rare, or even in countries where demonstrations are frequent, such scenes were unimaginable. Even the military found it difficult to deal with them.

> Her appearance immediately attracted a chaotic volley of gunfire. A variety of weapons were fired, including old American carbines, Czech machine guns, and Type 38 rifles, as well as newly acquired standard rifles and submachine guns— the latter looted from the army after the publication of the August Editorial— along with cold weapons like darts and broadswords, forming a condensed version of modern history…


Some militia groups were heavily armed, even possessing tanks and warships in some areas. Red Guards often seized weapons from the military.(There was a militia thread before)

> In this era of factionalism, there were intricate opposing factions everywhere. In schools, Red Guards, Cultural Revolution work teams, propaganda teams, and military propaganda teams clashed sharply with each other. Each faction constantly gave rise to new opposing factions, defending their different backgrounds and agendas, leading to even fiercer conflicts. However, the reactionary academic authorities being criticized this time were unanimously targeted by all sides and could only endure brutal attacks from all directions.


According to some descriptions I found online about the Maoists, there were complex factions at the time:
- Rebel Faction (mass organizations, factions, or individuals who self-identified with "rebellion" during the Cultural Revolution in the People's Republic of China);
- Royalist Faction (also known as conservative factions, were factions within the Red Guards, workers, the military, and even foreign experts in Beijing. They evolved from old Red Guards and opposed the rebel factions and the extreme leftists.);
- Extreme Left Faction (opposed the conservative factions who supported the "First Seventeen Years" (1949-1966), were supporters of the Cultural Revolution, but also opposed the revolutionary efforts of the Central Cultural Revolution and the rebel factions, believing that they were not revolutionary enough). The excerpts in parentheses are quoted from Chinese Wikipedia.

> "Einstein is a reactionary academic authority. He is in bed with the imperialists, helping them build atomic bombs! To establish revolutionary science, we must overthrow bourgeois theories represented by relativity!"


Criticism of relativity, influenced by Einstein's American background, affected China's evaluation of his theories at that time.

> "God does not exist. All religions are tools created by the ruling class to numb the people's minds!"


Atheism and criticism of religions as tools for maintaining rulership.

> Ye Zhetai was very tall. These four fourteen-year-old girls could only reach his unyielding head by swinging belts upwards. After several initial strikes, his iron helmet, which offered some protection, was knocked off, and then belts with copper buckles rained down on his head and body—until he finally collapsed.


Physical punishment of counter-revolutionaries during the Cultural Revolution. A common theme in anti-Cultural Revolution literature was to portray the punished counter-revolutionaries as champions of truth, while the Red Guards were depicted as foolishly manipulated mobs.

This portion reflects the consensus on the impact of the Cultural Revolution on society, even the government tacitly accepted this impression, being supporters of reform and opening up. However, after the rise of a new generation of leftist ideology, different evaluations of the Cultural Revolution began to emerge, with more and more people advocating for the reinstatement of class struggle. This is a trend in China as some economic systems enter the late or even final stage of capitalism, voices calling for radical class changes are starting to emerge. Ten years ago, China experienced rapid economic growth, greatly enhancing its international status. With the social changes brought about by emerging capital, people were immersed in dreams of economic prosperity. More than one elder has told me that conditions now are much better than when they were young (although I believe this is due to the development of technology and productivity, the role of the market economy cannot be denied). However, in the post-pandemic era, China's economic development has slowed compared to before, reforms have begun to solidify, and the younger generation is experiencing fewer social changes than before. Many people are fed up with capitalism, and many leftists are beginning to question whether the previous evaluation of the Cultural Revolution was biased towards reformers. In short, there is much to be said about the Cultural Revolution, which has had a significant impact on China, even half a century later.


要我读读三体里意识形态比较浓厚的一部分吗?(第七章 疯狂年代)

>“红色联合”对“四·二八兵团”总部大楼的攻击已持续了两天,他们的旗帜在大楼周围躁动地飘扬着,仿佛渴望干柴的火种。


文革时期的地方武斗,相较于一般的游行要激烈的多,不同意识形态的红卫兵互相讨伐,在现在很少看见大规模游行的中国甚至是经常发生游行的国家来说,那时候是难以想象的,军队对抗他们甚至都感到棘手。

> 她的出现立刻招来了一阵杂乱的枪声,射击的武器五花八门,有陈旧的美式卡宾枪、捷克式机枪和三八大盖,也有崭新的制式步枪和冲锋枪——后者是在“八月社论”发表之后从军队中偷抢来的——连同那些梭镖和大刀等冷兵器,构成了一部浓缩的近现代史……


拥有重武装的民兵,在一些地区甚至拥有坦克和军舰(之前是不是有一个民兵线程),红卫兵经常抢夺军队武器。

> 在这个派别林立的年代,任何一处都有错综复杂的对立派别在格斗。在校园中,红卫兵、文革工作组、工宣队和军宣队,相互之间都在爆发尖锐的冲突,而每种派别的内部又时时分化出新的对立派系,捍卫着各自不同的背景和纲领,爆发更为残酷的较量。但这次被批斗的反动学术权威,却是任何一方均无异议的斗争目标,他们也只能同时承受来自各方的残酷打击。


从我网上看到的一些毛派的介绍,当时有很复杂的派系:
造反派(中华人民共和国“文化大革命”时期以“造反”自我标榜的群众组织、派系或个人);
保皇派(又称保守派,是文化大革命时期红卫兵、工人、军队乃至留京外国专家中的一个派系,由老红卫兵演变而来,与造反派和极左派对立。);
极左派(既反对支持“前十七年”(1949—1966)路线的保守派,是文革的支持者,又反对中央文革支持的造反派,认为中央文革和造反派的革命不够彻底)。
括号里的摘抄自中文维基。

> “爱因斯坦是反动的学术权威,他有奶便是娘,跑去为美帝国主义造原子弹!要建立起革命的科学,就要打倒以相对论为代表的资产阶级理论黑旗!”


对相对论的批判,爱因斯坦的美国背景影响了当时中国对他理论的评价

> “上帝是不存在的,一切宗教,都是统治阶级编造出来的麻痹人民的精神工具!”


无神论以及对宗教维护统治者的批判

> 叶哲泰的个子很高,这四个十四岁的女孩儿只能朝上抡皮带才能打到他那不肯低下的头,在开始的几下打击后,他头上能起一定保护作用的铁高帽被打掉了,接下来带铜扣的宽皮带如雨点般打在他的头上和身上——他终于倒下了


文革时期对反动派的体罚,一个常见的反文革文学描写是把被体罚的反动派描绘为真理的拥护者,而红卫兵则是愚蠢的被煽动的庸人。

这一部分对文革的影响曾经是社会的共识,甚至政府也在默认这种印象,他们是改革开放的拥护者。
但是在新一代左翼思潮流行之后,对文革的不同评价也开始出现了,拥护曾经的阶级斗争的人开始越来越多。
这是中国部分经济制度进入资本主义后期甚至晚期的趋势,要求激烈的阶级变革的声音开始出现。
在10年前中国的经济极高速增长,中国的民族国际地位大幅提升,随着新兴资本带来的社会变革让人们沉浸在经济腾飞的梦里,不止有一个长辈和我说现在的条件比他们小时候好很多(虽然我认为这是科技与生产力发展导致的,但是不可否认市场经济在其中的地位)。
而疫情后的时代,中国的经济发展速度开始不如当年,变革开始固化,新生一代体会到的社会改变不及当年,也有很多的人受够了现在的资本,许多左翼开始怀疑当时对文革的评价是否是改革者的片面之词。
总而言之,文革要说的很多,它对中国的影响很大,即使是半个世纪之后。

 No.1805280

>>1805263
it's insane how they can just shit out schizo propaganda like this and nobody challenges it or asks for proofs. Reaching DPRK schizoposting.

 No.1805285

>>1805263
>Christians should not trust their government
😎COUNTERPOINT😎

 No.1805289

>>1805285
I wonder how many kids in vid ended up being addicted to meth or teenage pregnant.

 No.1805303

>>1805228
Exactly, this guy doesn't deserve exposure and clicks, what he deserves is a good dose of sarin or VX.

 No.1805322

File: 1711356037285.png (416.63 KB, 732x736, taiwan tiktok.png)

Who let the dogs out?

 No.1805324

>>1805322
Australia and Canada already did the same. It’s not a U.S. ban it’s a worldwide ban.

 No.1805325

>>1805324
"Worldwide" being the second image >>1805223

Let the US and their dogs rust behind. In both renewables and apps and 5G and EVs and Space Stations.

 No.1805331

File: 1711358881974-0.mp4 (67.27 MB, 480x852, Molson_Hart.mp4)

Incredible things are happening in China.

But fr the usual China content on Youtube is either schizophrenia like this guy >>1805227 or shallow enthusiasm.
So it's nice seeing these more down to earth, dare I say "raw" commentators like this guy, Eric G and Inside China Business just deadpan reporting on how things are progressing. Coincidentally enough all 3 are investors so maybe that has something to do with them being realistic about stuff.

 No.1805340

>>1805331
>I used to shit my pants all the time in China
lol
interesting how he notes that China has gotten better in the last 5 years whereas his country has gotten worse

 No.1805363

I love this "winemom political analysis" channel.

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 No.1805366

>>1805364
one more

 No.1805379

File: 1711368329579.mp4 (11.18 MB, 1280x720, jTCdac5YvFB2VbQs.mp4)

Instead of military aid Bidet is giving Taiwan loans.

Will China have to take up and repay this debt when they take over the island?

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 No.1805382

>>1805364
the second cup contains cum

 No.1805395

>>1805382
The People's cum

 No.1805397

>>1805379
those Pattons are going to get fucking annihilated the moment military conflict starts

 No.1805400

>>1805395
give us the cum

 No.1805417

>>1804213
>>1804246
What the fuck did I just watch? They've cut out almost all the cool scientific explanations, which is a huge problem because those were the main force that propelled the story forward. Everything that happened to the protagonist from the book (seeing the countdown, being forced to shut down scientific research, playing the videogame, infiltrating a secret society) was split up among a cast of 5 racially diverse characters that love meet up and banter. Yes, you heard it right, they've taken a sci-fi that's actually about science and not a historical allegory placed 1000 years into future and replaced much of it with a sitcom about a handful of overgrown manchildren who use curse words casually and want to fuck each other Some of them also smoke weed. Wow, so relatable! Just like me! All I've wanted in story about questioning humanity's role on Earth and its fate are: a racially ambigous (probably latina) woman who is gorgeous but also the latter is irrelevant because she is also a girlboss who is cooler than 99% of men, the nerdy but well-adjusted Asian girl, the cool laid-back black guy, the socialy awkward and low-self esteem white guy who is trying to fix his past mistakes and a fat white guy who loves video games and junk food and likes to make sarcastic remarks or act retarded for comic relief. Meanwhile in the book (and the Tencent series) Wang Miao genuinely felt like a scientist. Even his main hobby is something technical. When his worldview that strongly relies on scientific causality is shattered, he makes a perfect pair with Da Shi who shares with him his own faith in humanity that stands strong despite all personal hardships. With the netflix show, I couldn't handle watching it for more than one and a half episode. I ask you kindly President Xi, please launch Dongfeng missiles equipped with thermonuclear bombs towards major population centers in North America and Europe.

 No.1805432

>>1805270
It really says a lot about Chinese and Western artistic freedom that even in the TV show produced by Tencent they only removed the cultural revolution part and they were fine with pouring money into story where the US and Chinese governments cooperate with each other. In the Netflix version the villains remain the same but all the heroes are turned into white people or assimilated immigrants. The "international organization" that is trying to save the world might as well be entirely run by the UK government for all we know. They even take jabs at Iran for not wanting to cooperate in scientific matters.

 No.1805438

>>1805432
They didn't remove cultural revolution from Tencent adaptation

Also, lol'd at bourgeois rags crying over censorship and no free speech

>There were also social media discussions of the fact that Netflix has more creative and political freedom. “The biggest advantage Netflix’s version of Three-Body Problem has over the domestic version is no censorship, no taboos,” wrote one viewer.


>The Netflix series opens with a scene of brutality: a Communist party struggle session during the Cultural Revolution targeting the father of the main character. The Tencent version depicts that time but is more muted.


>The director of the Netflix series told Radio Free Asia it was becoming increasingly difficult to portray the period of the Cultural Revolution in China.

 No.1805511

File: 1711383825759.jpg (31.47 KB, 505x490, TWOSCOOPS.jpg)

>>1805364
WTF bros why does Xi Jinblumpf gets TWOOOO CUPS of tea!??

 No.1805526

>>1805417
At least the lady who killed the reactionary teacher was proud of it still in the mine I suppose.
She was the real hero all along.

 No.1805550

>>1805438
Didn't they remove at least parts of it? I think the lynching itself was removed.

 No.1805556

>>1805550
Don't know, didn't read. There were public shaming and dunce hats, though

 No.1805607

How many international parties has China hosted or supported? 😂

 No.1805608

>>1805607
What party are you in?

 No.1805621

>>1805417
Yeah the netflix version is a wheddon monstrosity. What good is communism if it can't stop an author cashing in even further and degrading the books like this? The tencent version is as close as possible to the books.

 No.1805623

>>1805608
I'm in a communist party and I'm a trade union shop steward. Why? What it has to do with the question at all?

 No.1805632

>>1805607
More than your org for sure

 No.1805643

>>1805632
Why isn't China spending billions to prop up leftists like USSR did? USSR bank rolled entire middle east and Africa. China just does loansharking.

 No.1805653

>>1805643
>China just does loansharking.

Bait used to be believable

 No.1805850

>>1805643
Those "leftists" more often than not are just terrorists who accomplish nothing. Take the CPP for example. Their greatest achievements so far this century are just a few terror attacks. Communist China cannot fund halfbrained terrorism. It contradicts the interest of the People. Communist China adapts and becomes more strategic about who they support

 No.1805857

>>1805607
shut the fuck up lmao
you and I both know you are full of shit

 No.1805901

>>1805643
Because China knows that the international leftist movement is worse than worthless and that, as materialists, its important to accept the reality of the dominance of capitalist powers and conduct foreign policy.

 No.1806122

>>1805643
>CHYNA GIMME MONEY GIMME GIMME GIMME
Why do westoid beggars constantly ask for somebody else to do the revolution and communism for them?

 No.1806157

>>1806122
Because the FBI will run over us

 No.1806159

>>1806157
Yeah taking money from a foreign adversary is really going to help you with the FBI.

 No.1806162

>>1805607
Fascist emoji -> 😂

 No.1806163

>>1806122
>>1806157

Give them nukes instead of money, them the FBI will not run over them :)

I am very smart, i just thought of it rn

 No.1806164

https://naturalresources.house.gov/news/documentsingle.aspx?DocumentID=415189

Today, as part of an ongoing oversight investigation of foreign interests manipulating U.S. nonprofits, House Committee on Natural Resources Chairman Bruce Westerman (R-Ark.) led a letter to Code Pink President and Co-Founder Jodie Evans, conducting oversight into the organization's potential ties to the Chinese Communist Party (CCP). In part, the members wrote:

"Code Pink regularly engages in lobbying, protests, and extensive advocacy efforts regarding environmental and energy issues, particularly as it relates to America’s national security infrastructure… Code Pink also declares that the United States 'must downsize our military budget' to fight climate change. While these activities alone may be cause for disagreement, the Committee is concerned with Code Pink’s funding arrangements, potential funding by foreign nationals, and purported connections with the CCP…

"The CCP nonprofit influence machine reportedly now extends to Code Pink. On August 5, 2023, the New York Times reported that Code Pink 'is part of a lavishly funded influence campaign' that 'works closely with the Chinese government media machine' to promote the agenda of the CCP. Code Pink is purportedly funded by Neville Roy Singham, a self-proclaimed socialist and current 'benefactor of far-left causes,' who is now based in Shanghai, China. Photos show Mr. Singham regularly meeting with officials from the CCP, including at CCP propaganda forums.

"As you are aware, in 2017, you married Mr. Singham. As a self-proclaimed socialist and revolutionary, continuing to serve as President of the board of Code Pink, you have gone on the record refusing to criticize any policy of the CCP. Nonprofit records show that, since 2017, 'about a quarter of Code Pink’s donations—more than $1.4 million—have come from two groups linked to Mr. Singham.' The New York Times extensively detailed how, over a similar time period, your personal opinions and Code Pink’s position on China have both shifted to more closely align with the CCP’s agenda, alarming various left-wing and progressive organizations sympathetic with other goals of Code Pink.

"The Committee is concerned with the CCP’s growing attempts to influence American policies. The Committee is also concerned that the relationship between the CCP and Code Pink benefactors, board members, and staff may impact Code Pink’s political, advocacy, and lobbying activities relating to America’s environmental, natural resource, and energy policies. As you are aware, such political and lobbying activities may require compliance with the Foreign Agents Registration Act (FARA)."

 No.1806167

File: 1711412814692.mp4 (15.56 MB, 1280x720, LMAO WHAT.mp4)

Weekly dose of schizophrenia.

 No.1806171

>>1806164
Neville Roy and the lgbtq programmers sound based tbqh.

 No.1806174

>>1806167
>army of Iranian, Chinese, and Russian trolls bully princess into self harm and suicide
Syria and North Korea are slacking. Venezuelans and Cubans should also get in on it.

 No.1806295

File: 1711419011734.mp4 (1.52 MB, 1280x720, chief retard.mp4)

What the fuck is blud talking about lmao?

 No.1806312

>>1806164
I made a thread about this when the NYT and FT were coordinating the mccarthyism with the select committee against these guys and expanding the anti-China witchhunt to left orgs with the aid of the "china critical" left. mods deleted it tho. belongs in teh china ghetto

 No.1806334

>>1806164
>voice at least one criticism of China or you are not a real leftist

Can't say I haven't heard this one on this site before

 No.1806357

>>1806312
>teh china ghetto

 No.1806365

>>1806321
>The disadvantage we have compared to Indonesia’s communist party is that our orgs are small, and our numbers likely won’t have become huge by the time the purge has fully begun. The big advantage we have compared to that party, though, is we have an ideological flexibility which it lacked.

Westoid leftists are so pathetic there's no need whatsoever to purge them

 No.1806369

File: 1711428034345.mp4 (21.38 MB, 640x360, videoplayback.mp4)

LOL

 No.1806375

File: 1711428356717.jpg (111.3 KB, 1280x781, ChinaResponseToPelosi.jpg)

>>1806369
Didn't work out for you, eh, Taiwan?

 No.1806382

File: 1711428900630.jpg (496.89 KB, 1080x1578, 1711427117262708.jpg)

China is POZZED

 No.1806386

It's literally over for the west

 No.1806394

>>1806386
Germany is going to sharply plummet in the coming years.

 No.1806428

>>1806365
>Westoid leftists are so pathetic there's no need whatsoever to purge them
Pathetic or not, why wouldn't they purge leftists? The worse things get the more western states will need scapegoats and if anything being pathetic makes them an easier target.

 No.1806435

The support for the genocidal Zionist entity has taken up a lot of the oxygen but the UK is currently making a huge formal escalation against China, declaring it a "threat to national security" and issuing sweeping sanctions against their government. Perfunctorily it is part of some spook bullshit "you can't see the proof it's top secret" thing but I had to search quite a bit to find that since nobody really cares what the pretend reason is.

 No.1806439

>>1806427
>>1806428
Dude, there's no point purging orgs infested with informants and glowies. They will rat out anyone who would cause trouble to the authorities all by themselves

 No.1806442

>>1806439
Honestly, the only organizing that can happen in USA is probably should be based outside of USA. As this Cold War progresses, I fully expect China to host US opposition leadership, and it will happen organically "by itself" because US will be purging leftist orgs of disloyal leftists 24/7. Or maybe in Vietnam, there's already such a community

 No.1806444

>>1806441
Article literally talks about how the leadership of PSL (or what was it) doesn't protect it's members and lulls them in a false sense of security. And how orgs are more likely than not to bend the knee. That's because they all are glowed

Westoid leftists should fucking learn from Lenin and Stalin about conspiracy, democratic centralism and organizing, but instead they do what they do

 No.1806447

File: 1711435877027.png (416.5 KB, 586x469, taipei.png)

Pic related conjures an alternative world: one where we are able to favorably compare China to the US and use lessons from China to make the US better. But we can't do that and we fucking are going to war with them insteaed lel.

 No.1806449

>>1806167
>They are destabilizing our monarchy
>We need to protect our democracy
How stupid are these people?

 No.1806453

>>1806449
For my sanity I imagine many people in the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland see the news say that the Chinese are spreading rumors about Kate Middleton getting a BBL and understand they are getting fucking rooked.

 No.1806460

>>1806439
>there's no point purging orgs infested with informants and glowies.
The point is to get rid of any leftist org and stop them from gaining any traction. Why even keep the org ?
>anyone who would cause trouble to the authorities
Their existence IS the trouble. During the cold war capitalist dictatorships just killed/disappeared anyone who was on the left (the article specifically referenced Indonesia for a reason.) A new cold war is starting they'll just kill and disappear leftists when it happens.

 No.1806462

>>1806460
America was killing leftists associated with USSR because those were actual trouble and they've let trots operate freely because those turned into neocons later on anyway

 No.1806468

>>1806462
>they've let trots operate freely because those turned into neocons later on anyway
That was when America had a thriving empire and was able to (temporarily) give big bribes to the working class and keep them mollified. All that soft stuff goes out the window when the bribes are no longer being paid and workers get antsy.

 No.1806491

>>1806369
CHINA SO STOOPID

 No.1806496

Not exactly related but I'm curious to see all the MUH CHINESIUM webm gore spammers are going to spin a massive bridge collapsing in the US, something that will probably happen with increasing regularity as the 1950s-built infrastructure continues to decay

 No.1806517

>>1806496

Well a boat did hit it but USians will just blame black people most likely. Sort of like how the video from a few days ago of a person in the US being blown to bits in a car accident and a guy pick up and starting eating his amputated leg dones't inspire the same "all these people are bugs" reaction towrards white americans that a chinese guy peeing does.

 No.1806533

>>1806517
>video from a few days ago of a person in the US being blown to bits in a car accident and a guy pick up and starting eating his amputated leg
Excuse me what the fuck?

 No.1806535

>>1806444
I posted the article breh. Also I wrote one of the fleawar ones but whatevs.
It's not about being the most based epic socialist to provoke an insane WhatsApp rumor about you killing multiple generals that results in a million random students and Chinese people getting raped and killed along with you.
The difference is the repression will take on the form of burning random people in cars who try to make ineffectual organizations function, or quietly flipping them.
Use the logic of the Phoenix Program. Close range soft target? Blackmail, exploit, flip. Easy. Mid range? Kill squad. Exertion required. Long range? My Lai, bombing and strafig with machine guns. Expensive but gets the job done. All cybernetically sensitized to dissent.
This won't activate here because you are soft, close range targets.
You are not in Indonesia or Chile, about to raise the cost of labor by 11.2%. That is what provoked the earth salting

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 No.1806543

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 No.1806560

>>1806369
I wish this smug lib a very pleasant vocational training
it's also funny that he calls the CPC irrational, hysterical and that it is lashing out in every direction, something that more aptly describes the US' present overextension

 No.1806647

>>1806496
"It's AI generated" is going to be another addition to the copium arsenal.

>>1806369
>>1806560
China Uncensored is a Falun Gong cult mouthpiece.

 No.1806659

>>1806543
does someone have the webm?

 No.1806795

>>1806517
>USians will just blame black people most likely
When will Wiggers realize that they're all untouchables lmao

 No.1806877

File: 1711476297562.mp4 (33.21 MB, 640x360, videoplayback.mp4)

Falun Gong uygha doesn't even know basic Skyrim shit, yet he has to shill…

 No.1807076

>start watching 3 body problem
>2.5 seconds in, it's some communism = the worst thing in the entire world, communists are anti-intellectual, demonic baby eaters
Siiiiiiiiigh……

Really getting fucking tired of this shit.

Really getting tired of this shit.

 No.1807084

>>1807076
latest deprogram pointed out this as well, but apparently it gets better later on

 No.1807105

Less developed countries should adopt dengist model and China should take steps to implement socialism as its reaching 1st world economic development.

 No.1807110

>>1807105
Based Namibians have begun to do this

 No.1807156

One of the more interesting developments in the sinophobic western left is the, imo, totally baffling assertion that there is no such thing as a "Chinese" person and there is only a "Han" person. But this totally unreal! This viewpoint that is missing in China and only allegedly exists in fringe online discourse, which is rebuked constantly, but somehow has been adopted as a fundamental truth about China in the westoid left in a way that is complelty incoherent on its own terms.

My theory is that Westoids project this kind of reductive racism onto all Asian countires, and have this assumption they are all one ethnic group because in their own racist conception of the country, they are. They are this identical, undifferentiated stereotype. And as China becomes more well-know about, this clashes with the fact that China is actually huge and extremely diverse, with many languages, traditions and minority groups. So when they encounter Chinese who are not obviously their racist conception of a Chinese person they just outright deny their Chineseness and say they are something else.

 No.1807161

>>1807156
Years ago I could reliably clock any white person saying "Han" instead of "Chinese" as a huge racist. I don't think much has changed. Except that this shiboleth has been adopted by the left as well and is going increasingly mainstream.

 No.1807173

>>1807084
It does not get better. It's a Team Avengers Assemble tier adaptation, with the infantile dialogue. They Marvelized the book.
>A perfectly diverse team unites to defeat the aliens. The real victory is the fun times they had along the way
China and Russia are not portrayed as allies against the threat in the Netflix version.
All global countries are portrayed as allies in the Chinese series.

 No.1807178

>>1806435
It seems like the UK is going all in to protect it's aristo ruling structure. Communists orgs were arrested simply for handing out pamphlets at recent Palestine protests.

 No.1807193

Where do I go to see the chinese marmots??
Where are they?

 No.1807195

>>1807178
They've been going fucking insane against foreigners of all kinds or really anything integrates Britain into the world, but it's apparently popular (?) and the opposition is totally demoralized and getting completely fucked up by what we could politely call non-democratic political subterfuge.

 No.1807198

>>1807156
I thought Han is just the majority ethnic group in China and basically seen it as the same as being a bunch of small ethnic groups combined to be "White" in America. Have I been thinking about it wrongly?
Regardless, it seems obvious that liberals want to promote ethnic-nationalism in China to divide the country.

>>1807161
>Except that this shiboleth has been adopted by the left as well
Wasn't differentiating various ethnic groups as separate "nations" pioneered by the USSR? It was a collection of separate republics. Perhaps that was a mistake. Maybe the USSR should have just been one state like China.

 No.1807281

>>1807198
Nationalism is a spook, lmao, go read Stalin. It's a historical entity that can be defined by ANYTHING. "Ethnic divide" is also a nonsensical concept because it just doesn't exist, and it never existed since primeval times, only ever rearing it's ugly head in 19th century and failing

 No.1807283

>>1807084
which episode

 No.1807287

>>1807173
Yeah I noticed that too. Both in this series and in Wandering Earth 1/2, great focus was given to the fact that it was an international effort. With lots of extras appearing and speaking in their languages.

Something you don't see in Hollywood slop where America saves the world from commie aliens every Saturday.

 No.1807308

>>1807287
Great focus on anti-corruption as well in the movie.

 No.1807316

>>1807281
>Nationalism is a spook
I agree, but most of the world believes it, use armies/police to defend it, brainwash their children to believe it, so it de-facto exists and is forced on those who don't agree.
>go read Stalin
Why was the USSR composed of several separate republics instead of being just one Worker's State? Why didn't USSR and PRC under Stalin and Mao combine into one Worker's State?
>"Ethnic divide" is also a nonsensical concept because it just doesn't exist
It exists as long as people have different languages, cultures and believe themselves to be fundamentally separate from other people. The genocide/apartheid in Israel wouldn't be happening if it wasn't for ethnic division.

 No.1807317

>>1807316
>Why was the USSR composed of several separate republics

For historical reasons. People should be persuaded into the future, or else they'll stick to the past and resist with all their might. Just like with kolkhozes

>It exists as long as people have different languages, cultures and believe themselves to be fundamentally separate from other people


No, it doesn't exist at all. It's just a trick of perception.

 No.1807337

>>1807317
>For historical reasons.
>It's just a trick of perception.
I agree with you on principle that nations and ethnicity are fundamentally spooks/arbitrary in construction. But why would you give historical credence to nations but not to ethnicity? You realize that if people fight for nations they can also fight for their ethnicity.

The way to avoid it is to get rid of the middle man. If people use military/police/indoctrination to force their little nation/ethnicity on their captive populations it make just as much sense for a larger power to impose a larger nation or ethnicity instead.

 No.1807340

>>1807337
>You realize that if people fight for nations they can also fight for their ethnicity.

Dude, we ALL are relatives to each other in around 8 generations. All humans on Earth. Ethnicity is a fucking spook, same as nationality

 No.1807347

>>1807340
>>1807337
Ah, it's 50th generation common ancestor for all humans, but 9th-16th cousin. Ethnicity is pretty much nonsense, and you'll have to draw Nazi-level schizo graphs about how much of a Semite still makes you an Aryan

 No.1807374

File: 1711531177317-0.mp4 (5.78 MB, 1280x720, Fridayeveryday.mp4)

>>1806496
>>1806517
China did it (Russia too).

 No.1807376

>>1807283
latest one, listener mailbag (episode 123)
unless you're a paypig in which case it's the last one

 No.1807393

>>1807198
PRC did adopt Soviet ethnic policy and as a consequences has 56 official ethnicities and a complicated suite of attendant laws protecting them. They also established "autonomous" regions for minorities. But this policy is undergoing change. I think the intentional shift away is what lets people start saying things like "Han supremacy" because they involve things like changing primary language in school to putonghua.

They aren't really equivalent to white though because for a very long time now white people are white because they have white skin. But most chinese minority groups literally look identical to Han. To be honest, my impression from casual discussion about this is that westoids just dismiss all the internal ethnic groups that "look Chinese" as being basically Han and treat only the ones that are visibly different as "real" ethnic groups– that is– "not Chinese". People don't really self identify that much as Han. I'v actually never seen anyone do this except in literary references to appeals to common Chineseness which they pretty clearly mean to also encompasses people who are not Han.

Maybe the way USians in particular think about ethnicities doesn't really allow you to have one inside of another, and they're pretty strict about phenotype and consider it supreme.

 No.1807471

why did they make the americans look competent in this movie?

 No.1807626

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I started reading Nikolai Vavilov's "Chinese power" and it's a much better argument for China than any of western China supporters ever brought up. It's not available in English, sadly.
The broad points are:

- China is a very diverse country and it's as big as all of Europe. Its governance is appropriately complex, centering on regional groups that struggle against each other all the time. This struggle is being hushed down by official state media to avoid further destabilization.
- All of China's institutions fall somewhere on a spectrum between Xi's "Stalinist" group that originates from the army and seeks to return to socialism and the "Comsomol" group that represents capital and seeks integration with the west.
- China has been under "Comsomol"'s control since Reform and Opening Up. This has been changing since Xi became the General Secretary in 2012. The changes to the Chinese constitution and Chinese state structure are indicative of this.
- Reform and Opening Up represent a retreat in the face of the worsening political situation, and this reflects in the way China has been developing: the inequality between regions, the damage to Chinese ecology and people are massive. Western imperialists were overwhelmingly the ones to gain from this while Chinese capital got the "honor" of global integration on American terms.
- China under Xi Jinping has been steadily changing course: increasingly decoupling from the west, restoring ecology, moving away from market dominance proclaimed previously - but it hasn't been quick, easy, or without problems.
- China is still very much divided, Xi is far from having absolute control, and "Comsomol" can still win. The outcome is still uncertain.

A special mention is the idea that Bitcoin is, first and foremost, a shadow currency in China, and its growth is mostly driven by capital's distrust towards more traditional money and other assets.

It honestly explains everything I was struggling with in regards to China. Nikolai is, of course, a bourgeois scientist and is very much wrong in certain areas, such as his idea that the Democrat party will radicalize to the left, but it looks very convincing when it comes to China.

 No.1807638

>>1807626
>Nikolai is, of course, a bourgeois scientist

This means you should discard his opinion. None of them would even think about representing China as it is, instead opting out for the narrative of "Deng has betrayed communism"

Reform and opening up is analogous to USA fighting for free trade and doing reforms at home. Why should you shun away from trade when your industries are strong enough to win on the world market? Soviets welcomed investments, too, they just had harsher opposition

>Western imperialists were overwhelmingly the ones to gain from this


Oh yes, Westoids have won from Chinese outcompeting Westoid industries on such a scale that resulted in deindustrialization of the entire West. Amazing analysis

 No.1807656

>>1807638
Deindustrialization is rather normal under imperialism. It's… one of the points of imperialism, inevitable, even. The current situation has been predicted by Hobson, a bourgeois scientist, in the following passage:

>The greater part of Western Europe might then assume the appearance and character already exhibited by tracts of country in the South of England, in the Riviera and in the tourist-ridden or residential parts of Italy and Switzerland, little clusters of wealthy aristocrats drawing dividends and pensions from the Far East, with a somewhat larger group of professional retainers and tradesmen and a larger body of personal servants and workers in the transport trade and in the final stages of production of the more perishable goods; all the main arterial industries would have disappeared, the staple foods and manufactures flowing in as tribute from Asia and Africa. . . . We have foreshadowed the possibility of even a larger alliance of Western states, a European federation of great powers which, so far from forwarding the cause of world civilisation, might introduce the gigantic peril of a Western parasitism, a group of advanced industrial nations, whose upper classes drew vast tribute from Asia and Africa, with which they supported great tame masses of retainers, no longer engaged in the staple industries of agriculture and manufacture, but kept in the performance of personal or minor industrial services under the control of a new financial aristocracy. Let those who would scout such a theory (it would be better to say: prospect) as undeserving of consideration examine the economic and social condition of districts in Southern England today which are already reduced to this condition, and reflect upon the vast extension of such a system which might be rendered feasible by the subjection of China to the economic control of similar groups of financiers, investors, and political and business officials, draining the greatest potential reservoir of profit the world has ever known, in order to consume it in Europe.


Lenin included it in Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Imperialism. So yes, westoid finance capital did benefit as much as they could, and finance capital is dominant at this stage in development.

 No.1807659

>>1807638
The industrial production of the west is not really going down overall, although it barely recovered pre 2008 levels. Anyway western bourgeois won by offsetting the labor costs and Chinese bourgeois won by getting investments and more ability to exploit their working class, I think the Chinese government call that a win win cooperation.

 No.1807660

>>1807659
>The industrial production of the west is not really going down overall

It very much is. Accounting tricks do not produce goods

>Chinese bourgeois won by getting investments and more ability to exploit their working class


Stop being stupid and go read Chinese corporate law. There's no Chinese bourgeoisie

 No.1807663

>>1807660
>There's no Chinese bourgeoisie
lol are you for real? better you never find out what the little stars on the flag mean or you could get an aneurysm

 No.1807669

>>1807626
interesting recommendation, I will read it

 No.1807686

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>>1802279
>It could be the whole "robots are going to do everything while we produce art" was just a subversive meme, promoted by bad actors, that infected the socialist movements in the west.
I will say that the thing I enjoy most about the AI art debate is seeing the plans of the petit-bougeois Breadtube "Left" where the poors are their conscripts that fight and go to prison while the Breadtubers do nothing but cheer from their armchairs in their gentrified apartments get flipped upside-down.

 No.1807691

>>1807193
that music gave me cancer

 No.1807808

>>1807686
It sounds like you're just fuelled by petty resentment

 No.1807971

>>1807808
It's only natural to be disgusted by parasites.

 No.1808051

File: 1711603878531.png (300 KB, 505x508, ClipboardImage.png)

https://archive.is/3yQcM

Now, this is just sad. Burgers want to ask China to pretty please stop selling so much high-tech stuff so that American investments would pay out

US Treasury Secretary Janet Yellen said she plans to press China in an upcoming visit to the country on a ramp-up in its industrial capacity that’s distorting the global economy.
“China’s overcapacity distorts global prices and production patterns and hurts American firms and workers, as well as firms and workers around the world,” Yellen said in excerpts of remarks she’s set to deliver Wednesday on a visit to Georgia. “We have raised overcapacity in previous discussions with China and I plan to make it a key issue in discussions during my next trip there.”
Yellen is visiting Norcross, Georgia, to showcase the reopening of a US solar-cell manufacturing facility that shut in 2017 under the pressure of “cheap imports flooding the market.” China today dominates the global solar energy industry after years of policy support for its domestic companies.

China’s industrial-policy legacy “led to substantial overinvestment” in products including steel and aluminum, which aided that country’s production and employment “but forced industry in the rest of the world to contract,” Yellen said.
“Now, we see excess capacity building in ‘new’ industries like solar, EVs, and lithium-ion batteries,” Yellen said in the excerpts released by the Treasury.
The US Treasury chief is expected to head to China for a second trip since Washington and Beijing re-engaged in high-level diplomacy.
Faced with a powerful drag on growth from a crisis in China’s real estate sector, President Xi Jinping and his lieutenants have been prioritizing the manufacturing sector. The “new three” growth drivers of electric vehicles, batteries and renewable energy have been a particular focus, along with advanced technology semiconductor production.

Beijing’s moves haven’t only unsettled US policymakers. The European Union this month moved toward imposing additional tariffs on Chinese EVs entering the bloc, citing new proof that the government in Beijing is providing illegal financial support for the industry.
Yellen in her visit to Georgia will be highlighting Biden administration policies to help build up the US’s own renewable-energy industry. The Suniva Inc. solar-cell manufacturing plant she’s set to visit is slated to reopen this spring. Suniva’s revived fortunes are due in part to incentives from the Inflation Reduction Act and its measures to “onshore clean energy manufacturing,” Yellen said.

 No.1808059

>>1808051
> when your interests as a loan-peddling debtmongering banker are threatened by deflationary exports
Total Banker Death!

 No.1808060

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 No.1808070

>>1802250
Honestly I followed this argument from the beginning and you got bodied. Gayass

 No.1808080

>>1808051
Yeah this is the reason Climate hawks have been butchered and it appears that nobody (with a newspaper column) cares about climate change anymore despite all the record breaking Summers and catastrophically accelerated melting and so on. China simply adopted EV and new energy technology sooner than the US which dragged its feet and continues to, and so is positioned to provide all of those things at amazing prices and global scale.

Also one thing that kind of funny is that, now that the PRC economy is obviously killing RE on purpose and forcing investment into manufacturing, the CN libs have gone back to seething and calling him a "peasant" again. Cause Chinese peasants all love making goods and growing crops and don't love financialization and real estate markets.

 No.1808081

Though I am going to enjoy seeing how the narrative of "china collapsing" turns into "China about to dominate the world with its incredibly strong manufacturing" in the next few months. I guess the answer will be like… Chinese people are too poor (because it's collapsing) to buy Chinese goods so we have to ban them from selling here so it collapses. Probably.

 No.1808125

>>1808081
>China is starving her citizens to sell abroad at a profit!

 No.1808218

>>1808070
> I followed this argument
That wasn't even one, you have autism

 No.1808229

>>1808080
Chinese liberals aren’t people.

 No.1808265

>>1807471

Because that's how it is. The Americans have been the world's leading military force since perhaps 1940, and the entire point of Chinese propaganda is to give them the impetus to fight "God".

 No.1808286

>>1808265
Nah, USSR was the world's leading military since 1943. It's kind of dumb how revisionists managed to maneuver themselves into being unable to use their military anywhere except Afghanistan

 No.1808335

>>1807808
No, I just don't like people that don't have skin in the game being given such prominence.
>>1808080
>…now that the PRC economy is obviously killing RE on purpose and forcing investment into manufacturing, the CN libs have gone back to seething and calling him a "peasant" again. Cause Chinese peasants all love making goods and growing crops and don't love financialization and real estate markets.
I hope deflation fucks the FIRE sector hard in the ass.

 No.1808761

>>1808229
They're not nearly as bad as Russian libshits. By far the worst subspecies of liberals.

 No.1808790

viewing 4chan genuinely makes me want to nuke the us, i know its just how internet works, but whenever i see "them" repeating muh dogs etc i would perceive the american people as enemy

 No.1808800

USA-China war soon when USA can stop relying on china as their's top 3 trading partner, right?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QEPZN0HQswk

 No.1808803

>>1808800
Brainlet short. He missed the fattest fucking flaw of the whole trade war. Mexico (and Vietnam) became middlemen for those exact same Chinese goods. They just now cost more and the middlemen get richer from it.

Same with Europe buying """Indian""" oil which is just refined Russian oil.

 No.1808804

>>1807471
because movie's derive their sense of drama from narrative tension. There is no narrative tension or sense of urgency to fighting an incompetent imbecile. It is much better that the villain is strong and be seen as threatening life itself.

 No.1808805

>>1808800
america is more addicted to sinophobia than opiates so they won't figure this out until it is far too late

 No.1808807

>>1808060
iphone breaks because planned obsolescence makes porky more short term profits than producing durable and reliable goods. also constant forced software updates creates enshitification. devices go slower on purpose after a while making you want to a buy a new phone even if your old one didn't physically break

 No.1808810

>>1802319
>hate almost dying by car to some office work bobo faggot at rush hours
as an office work bobo faggot I agree and wish they would just let everyone work from home in their jammies instead of driving to some random building

 No.1808811

>>1808807
planned obsolescence is annoying a month ago I found an old chromebook I had purchased a couple of years back when I was on budget, I turned it on and it worked flawlessly, I made the mistake of connecting it to the internet to check if there have been any updates to this ancient thing, a couple of days passed and i kid you not it is dead, could be a coincidence but i dont think it was

 No.1808816

Returning to Liu Cixin,

https://www.goodreads.com/topic/show/17505400-translation-mistakes-i-ve-found

What the hell with English translation, lol, they've even truncated 16% of the Dark Forest

https://www.reddit.com/r/SF_Book_Club/comments/30xhj0/three_im_ken_liu_translator_for_the_threebody/

>TTBP presents an interesting example. When it was first published, the Cultural Revolution chapters were moved to the middle of the book because it was around the time of the 30th anniversary of the end of the Cultural Revolution, and such topics were deemed sensitive (but the chapters weren't deleted).


And it was the same for the Chinese series, more or less.

https://languagehat.com/translating-the-three-body-problem/

>Were there any big changes you made to the translation of The Three-Body Problem?

<The first book, as originally published in Chinese, actually comes in a different order. It starts out with the police and army officers asking Professor Wang to join them at the Battle Command Center. All the Cultural Revolution episodes happen as flashbacks. That gave the original Three-Body Problem a very Japanese thriller/detective story kind of feel. But Liu Cixin had always intended for the story to actually start with the Cultural Revolution chapters. He had switched the order only because of concern about whether or not that content would be sensitive. We decided to restore the chapter order, and I like the new structure a lot more. The Cultural Revolution parts are no longer just kind of throwaway flashback exclamations. They are actually the foundation of the story.

<Most Americans have very little understanding of what happened—and if they do have some understanding, what they have is very fragmented and biased and incomplete. To really understand Ye’s motivation, you have to know quite a bit about what the Cultural Revolution is and what it meant to people who went through it.


Fascinating, innit?

 No.1808822

Man, China will never be able to sell their EVs in America, not because of the pricing or the fact that they're Chinese products but because American infrastructure is dried up, rotten dogshit. It's stuck in the last century. And they can't fix it.

I remember talking to some guys that couldn't believe battery swapping stations are a thing. They were unfamiliar with the very concept and then I showed them Nio swapping stations and Gogoro swapping stations. It was so mindblowing they said it's CGI and that they can't possibly be built in large numbers. Except that they are. In China.

Seeing video related I get why they thought it was alien technology. Even huge US cities like NY can't viably roll out normal charging stations. Not only where and how many they install but to actually keep them working is impossible. EVs just won't work outside of Asia. Maybe in some small countries like Norway, Switzerland and Netherlands but even that is doubtful.
China would be better off making cheap ICE cars even though they're a century late to it. Because with economies of Japan and Germany going down the drain, even the less than impressive Chinese ICE car would be competitive in the global south.

 No.1808825

President Xi, please stop this cultural appropriation of my German history.

 No.1808827

>>1808822
inb4 china starts building roads in other countries

 No.1808831

>>1805224
What do you think the Arabic internet thinks of China?

 No.1808832

File: 1711707831166.mp4 (6.79 MB, 720x1280, $35000.mp4)

>>1808807
>>1808811
3 years ago my family and me bought new phones at the same time. I bought a cheap literal who Chinese brand (TCL) and they all went for either Samsungs or iPhones. Fast forward my phone is still alive and kicking (despite getting cooked in Sahara) while their pieces of shit either outright died or started bugging out with glitches and crashes.
And I'm a complete orangutan with it, don't get it twisted. Like I said it was getting melted in a literal desert, I install every interesting game I come across, my browser gave up displaying how many tabs I have open and I also kept dropping it. And it still runs fast like day 1.

Can't wait to buy a literal who Chinese EV and dab on everyone else. "Made in China 2025" is a scary fucking initiative if you're a brand loyal consoomerist whore.

 No.1808833

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>>1808827
b-but… they already do? They did since Mao. Not just roads/highways and railways but also bridges and ports.

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 No.1808843

>>1808822
Biden was supposed to build a huge number of charging pylons and he’s built… none? I think it’s still none. The money is technically allocated already by the IRA. They just don’t care to actually build them.

And yeah it is I think hard for the U.S. to imagine that stuff like battery swaps for EVs are not some proof-of-concept showroom tech but actually how EVs are recharged in China. Like EVs are not the future. It’s NOW.

 No.1808844

>>1808834
>but not everyone's happy
fuckin 'journalism'

name one time everyone was happy.

 No.1808845

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>>1808834
the philosopher himself sinks to the level of a commodity
a friend of mine has a piggybank shaped like Marx with the text "das kapital". it works on many levels

 No.1808846

Americans have recently become aware of the HSR network in China and constantly tiff about where it can work here or whatever. Since the U.S. is a car country and so on. They don’t yet also talk about China having EVs replace ICE everywhere yet because they haven’t really realized that’s the case, maybe.

 No.1808847

>>1808844
when Gollum splashed into the lava with the Lord of the Ring in hand

 No.1808848

>>1808847
I was very distraught at that scene. It's basically Tolkien saying drug addicts are hopeless reprobates and there's no helping them.

 No.1808850

>>1808848
everybody hates gollum

 No.1808852

>>1808850
we doesnt

 No.1808854

>>1808834
The major that did this won the next election with a +70% landslide first-round victory, btw.

 No.1808856

>>1807626

>Chinese Porkies can still win as le battle is still going on.


i mean to be honest i don't really thing the Chinese Porkies can really recover from this shit thats been thrown at them at this point, and to be honest it hasn't been entirely XI's or the CPC fault for the reason why the Chinese Porkies have been in decline, like one of the main reasons i think this has been the case has been beacuse of the fact that Chinese private industry has more or less adopted a very western model of corporate governance (Aka extract as much value from the worker as humanily possible through lots of overtime and low wages) which then instead of being reinvested into the Buisness (like how chinese SOEs converted there profits) where instead used in stock buybacks and dividend payments for investors.

Another thing which i don't think gets mentioned is that many chinese private corporations are heavily indebted to state owned chinese banks, as foreign investment in china during its early "Developmental Capitalist" years was actually fairly low, at roughtly 20-40 billion dollars per year, and most of this was often targeted towards the already existing SOEs rather than the up and coming private corporations (mostly due to the fact that most foreign investors regarded SOEs as being more safer during the early stages), this more or less forced the, at this point still petty chinese porkies of china to take out high amounts of loans from the Chinese state owned banks in order to supply enough funds to start up and expand there buisnesses.

This combined with the fact that the majority of China's strategic assets where, and would always be state owned severly restricted the amount of Potential Market assets the chinese could accumulate.

Of course this didn't exactly stop them from trying, and, on the surface, suceeding, at least for some time in anycase, this can be seen in the exponential growth of private capital interest from 2010 - 2021, but i think this is "fake growth" aka the main contrubiting factor to this growth rate wasn't "Efficent Governace" as some commentators in the west would suggest, but was actually due to a massive increase in the levels of foregin, and domestic, investement targeted towards these companies (domestic investment largely being from other chinese porkies who had made there fortunes earlier on and wished to avoide the large taxes placed upon them by the CPC by investing them into the stock market, and property. And of course the classic and 100% totally stable method of borrowing more money from the State owned banks) of course other factors like decreasing wages and increasing work hours also contributed to the exponential, but ultimately unsustanable, growth of these corporate entities.

Of course that's not to say that all private corporate entities in china have been like evergrade, however these "successful" entities have had a few things in common, aka they have, for the most part, not been governed in a traditional capitalist way (aka in the case of Huawei) and china's many, farmer co-operatives, which as you may have guessed, have, at least on the surface, been governed like a workers co-operative rather than a capitalist corporation.

Basically what i am trying to say is that most private enterprises in china (minus a few execptions that where, for the most part not traditional capitalist corporations) engaged in unsustanable growth practices such as forcing workers to work longer hours and ultimately leading said workers to become less productive overtime, and expanding far to fast which said expansion couldn't be supported by the corporation or investors alone and forced said corporations to instead take out shit loads of loans from the Chinese state owned banks, which of course when the Banks started to increase interests rates, and then finally stopped giving out loans which caused many chinese corporations to go bankrupt (this is actualy what lead to the chinese housing crash in the first place).

 No.1808857

>>1808846
You have twitteroids thinking those montages of Chinese skylines are CGI. Saying stuff like "notice how there are no ground footage!" and getting thousands of likes for it by other retarded cattle. Despite there being multiple Youtube channels dedicated to nothing but walking around Chinese cities for hours.

And when they did finally start talking about HSR they all jumped at "B-BUT IT'S UNPROFITABLE! IT COLLAPSED THE COUNTRY" because their minds are -that- rotten by porkies. If these people could monetize oxygen, they would. And they'd doompost about China losing money for not doing the same. It's insane. And why they'll never have good things.

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 No.1808860

>>1808857
>we need startup cities to get back in the game
<startup cities

Hilarious

 No.1808862

>>1808860

>le Epic 10000000000000000000000000000% Wholesome Chungus Burgerreich Startup citites shall rape the chinese.


God i fucking hate liberals, and i know in china they make up like 0.000000000001% of the population but still, wish Xi would just send them to the gulags or have them "Dissapear" like he does to the porkies sometimes.

 No.1808864

>>1808862
>God i fucking hate liberals, and i know in china they make up like 0.000000000001% of the population
Are you sure?

 No.1808865

>>1808859
>China Insider (Falun Gong)
>hanjian schizo with 0 evidence of anything he's been peddling
kek
Self inflicted schizophrenia is based.

 No.1808866

>>1808857
>startup cities
lol

 No.1808867

>>1808857
>startup cities
This is some Curtis Yarvin level brainrot.

 No.1808868

>>1808864

Well there a very small minority in china

 No.1808869

>>1808860
Remember Trump Freedom Cities and Biden's Build Back Better? Or this retarded shit? Which was marketed as a BRI alternative but it was in fact supposed to use BRI infrastructure like a parasite. All dead in the water. Like western relevancy in general.

 No.1808874

File: 1711711205674.png (1.69 MB, 1662x1121, retards.png)

>>1808869
>Trump Freedom Cities
>google it
>first result is Epoch Time (Falun Gong) shilling for it and saying how it's BASED and will DEFEAT BIDEN LEFTIST 15 MINUTE CITIES
LMAO dude HOW are they this mentally ill??

 No.1808875

>>1808869
>pic

Why the fuck would you offload goods from ships in Israel and load back on ships in UAE? There's a goddamn Suez Channel just to the side, lmao

 No.1808876

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>>1808869
>>1808875
Only one of those "alsos" is real

 No.1808877

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>>1808875
It was never meant to make sense. Just like Build Back Better, it's a PR stunt.

 No.1808883

>>1808864 If you ask them, 'Are you a liberal?' they might be puzzled.
But if you ask them, 'Are you a ShenShen?' you might get more responses, especially online.
If you deliberately ask some leading questions like 'Do you think China should relax speech control?' 'Do you want to immigrate to the United States?' you might get a large group of people answering you.

如果你问他们“你是自由主义者吗”他们可能会一头雾水
但是如果你问他们“你是神神吗”回答的人可能就多了一些,特别是在外网
如果你刻意问一些有导向性的问题比如“你觉得中国应不应该放松言论管控”“你想移民美国吗”,可能会有一大群人回答你

 No.1808884

:(

 No.1808886

>>1808884
Oh man, ol' Yeller is seething.

 No.1808887

>>1808883
What do they answer when you ask them "freedom to say WHAT?" or "WHAT do you want to critcize"?

 No.1808889

>>1808887

If you are not a genuine cyber police officer or at least an authorized administrator, saying so will actually lead to public opinion favoring liberals. A common tactic of the establishment to mock liberals is by highlighting incidents of censorship in Europe and America, ridiculing the so-called freedom paradise in the eyes of Western supporters as nothing but a hypocritical lie.

如果你不是真的网络警察或者至少有权限的管理员,这么说反而会导致舆论有利于自由主义者。建制派嘲讽自由主义者常见的方法就是发布欧美封锁言论的事情,嘲讽西方支持者眼里的自由天堂也不过是虚伪的谎言。

 No.1808892

File: 1711713700341.mp4 (46.54 MB, 1080x1920, China1989WeWantBloodshed.mp4)

>>1808889
It won't lead to public opinion favoring liberals. Libs have shit for brains, and if you actually manage to coax out of what they want to criticize and for what reasons, nobody will take them seriously

For example, Russia since 2022 had a huge reevaluation of the "put in prison for a joke" myth. Every critic of Russia was suddenly exposed as a person who literally supports a terrorist state of Ukraine. There's also the fact of self-censorship of libs and extremely underhanded bloody tactics

 No.1808898

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>>1808889
Do Chinese people dislike Gollum?

 No.1808899

>>1808883
>Do you think China should relax speech control
You mean you are allowed to say you want to relax control of discourse? What a bunch of weenies. I'd shoot you immediately.


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