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https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/ocalan-dissolve-pkk-historic-statement
Some highlights:
>long history of violence from which the PKK emerged
>emphasis on hundreds of years of alliance between Kurds and Turks
>need for democratic solution, faith that now it is the time
>respect to Bahceli and Erdogan’s calls to move on with a resolution
>PKK (all armed groups) to leave weapons to engage in a democratic resolution process
it's so over
545 posts and 82 image replies omitted.

>>2266774
Trve. The Kurdish bourgeoisie are uniquely deserving of life because they're genetically revolutionary. I ❤️ moralism and race science
>>2267143
Kindly consult the graph >>2266648

>every human life is sacred because… it just is ok??? This is not idealism, read theory (the declaration of independence)

It is. Read Jesus.

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>using trve
>using awards
hi /leftysoy/GOD

>>2266648
Uh-oh, "anti-campist" retards are showing up here, too?

>>2267379
It's just like my favourite marvel movie the ontologically bad people are fighting the ontologically good people we must support them!!!1

>>2267136
And I already showed you how he didn’t and you refused to read. Not my fault that you still behave like a caveman.
Cope.

>>2267507
nta but could you provide me with your liberal reddit analysis on why Kurdish Saddam betrayed the bourgeois revolution?

>>2265933
>anti-NATO
bwahahahAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAAHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

>>2267526
You are brazillian protestant, get back to proseltyzing in Angola, thanks.

>>2267524
>muh reddit

Here's some text for you that you will totally read and not skim through

>>2215670
>>2215676

https://archive.org/details/abdullah-ocalan-beyond-state-power-and-violence/page/n9/mode/2up

>>2267611
I'm sorry, I'm really sorry but its over, he lost.

>>2267611
What does that have to do with why he bent over?

Strategic Transformation? The PKK’s Self-Dissolution within the Framework of Democratic Modernity

>To many the news of PKK dissolving itself came as a thunder bolt from the blue sky. Such a surprise mostly comes from an absence of knowledge on the writings of Öcalan and the project of Democratic Modernity that has been adopted by the Kurdish freedom movement couple of decades ago.


<As some may know, Öcalan and the Kurdish movement underwent a major shift away from Marxism-Leninism, and towards a Bookchin-inspired direction of Democratic Confederalism (the most clear manifestation of which took shape in the form of autonomous administration in the region of North-East Syria, more widely known as Rojava). This new paradigm abandoned old concepts such as the vanguard party and the nation-state, embracing instead broad social self-emancipation through popular assemblies, communes, and councils beyond statecraft and Capital.


>In this worldview there was increasingly less space for the PKK, while major role was given to the Kurdistan Communities Union (KCK) – an umbrella organization with more decentralized and horizontal character that includes many communes, parties, committees, citizen initiatives, etc in Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran.


<Already in his 2012 “Prison Writings III” (compiling his writings from his isolation cell in the Imrali prison from the period 2009-2011) Öcalan hints at the future dissolution of the PKK as the Third step in his “Democratic Solution Plan”, writing that:


>As the activities of the KCK gain legal status, the PKK will have no further need to engage in any activities within Turkey. It will base its further existence on legal and democratic political, social, economic, and cultural activities.[1]


<In the same book he suggests that rather than abandoning any form of resistance, the Kurdish movement should embrace a more horizontal and less militarized type of self-defense that will stem from the KCK:


>The KCK will be in a position to defend society and the environment against the devastating effects of capitalist modernity, with its sole aim at achieving maximum profits. It will do so through economic and ecological communes, as well as other units aimed not at achieving profits but at responding to the fundamental needs of the society and protecting the environment.[2]


<Furthermore, Öcalan stresses that “the KCK will have to have its own defense forces[,which] will be indispensable for democratic life.”[3]


>Öcalan’s call from February 2025 on the PKK to self-disband was met with support by Kongra-Gel officials, the legislative assembly of the KCK, claiming that this step “marks the beginning of a broader democracy movement—one that includes women, workers, and environmental activists” [4], thus being more aligned with the framework of Democratic Modernity.


<Since the 2009, the KCK has initiated numerous municipalist initiatives inside Turkey, along other cultural and social structures, that have managed to win local councils and get its candidates elected to mayoral positions, indicating their commitment to a political and municipal-focused strategy. [5] This does not mean that this approach wasn’t often met with repressions by Turkish authorities.


>In conclusion, we can assert that rather than a surprise, the announcement of the disbandment of the PKK comes as something that more careful readers and people who follow closely the Kurdish question have been expecting for years (as the Kurdish movement itself was preparing its infrastructure throughout Kurdistan for this transition) and there is no space for desparation or disappointment. The big question that follows is wether Turkey’s authoritarian government will allow such democratic approach, or will it force the Kurdish movement back to armed insurgency. We shouldn’t forget that in the past the PKK attempted couple of times to withdraw its forces from Turkey, but each time the process was disrupted by the Turkish state. [6]


[1] Abdullah Öcalan. Prison Writings III: The Road Map to Negotiations (Cologne: International Initiative Edition, 2012). p104.

[2] Prison Writings III, p96.

[3] Prison Writings III, p97

[4] https://bianet.org/haber/kongra-gel-leader-backs-ocalan-s-statement-305001

[5] Seevan Saeed. The Kurdish National Movement in Turkey: From the PKK to the KCK (2014), p255. [available online at https://ore.exeter.ac.uk/repository/bitstream/handle/10871/16936/SaeedS.pdf]

[6] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Kurdistan_Workers%27_Party

https://trise.org/2025/05/13/strategic-transformation-the-pkks-dissolution-within-the-framework-of-democratic-modernity/

>>2266774
This but Palestine

>>2267906
>In this worldview there was increasingly less space for the PKK, while major role was given to the Kurdistan Communities Union (KCK) – an umbrella organization with more decentralized and horizontal character that includes many communes, parties, committees, citizen initiatives, etc in Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Iran.
so they literally reinventing liquidationism?? come the fuck on are we really supposed to think that this menshevik position is somehow revolutionary??

>>2267925
Not everything is about the russian revolution you autistic freak. Shut the fuck up. Jfc.
Feel like /leftypol/ is devolving, thought we were past the autistics hyper-fixated on 1917. Aesthetic 'leftist' larping freaks. jfc.

>>2267934
>Not everything is about the russian revolution you autistic freak
nice ableism bro. did the PKK not 'disolve' itself into the 'civil society' and did it abandon its 'vanguard' position in relation to the kurdish movement? yes or no?


>>2267611
>reminder this book was first pubilshed in 2004, and the most recent one
https://ocalanbooks.com/downloads/democratic-confederalism.pdf
he completely abandoned Marx from his "magna" and "opus" work theory. "democratic confederalism"? another buzzword to say oh you wanted Marxism? tee-hee I betrayed you.
>>2267621
he can't answer because he's already encircled with reality. at this rate not even his echo chamber will help you. they do need to seek professional help, with all that cognitive dissonance.

>>2268059
>he completely abandoned Marx
I know it makes you mad that somebody abandoned your holy prophet but socialist movement is larger than this one theorist.

DemCon is too collaborationist for its own sake. It will be devoured by the imperialists and the bourgeoisie if it does not radicalise.

>>2268064
I know, right? like the psoe said "it's time to abandon Marx" in the 70? surely joining nato will make socialism great again? :^)


Was the pkk even that big membership wise?
Don't they have a bunch of other front organizations?

>>2268067
Socialism in the hegemonic core would be certainly improvment over supporting all kinds of far right reactionary critters because they are "anti-imperialist".

>>2268072
it was the "socialist improvement" labor party that bombed Iraq, with tony blair, you dingus. it was "socialism improvement" SPD party in germany with merkel that helped bomb iraq, or schröder SPD party in germany that bombed Afghanistan.

I've seen in my life parties beraying left and right Marx using his name, like the SPD in germany, and by that extension betraying socialism. but I've seen parties loyal to Marx in power, like Cuba, China, USSR, Vietnam and DPKR, staying loyal to soiclaism, too. I have never seen parties loyal to "socialism" once they go to the no-Marx-u-turn, you shitlib.

>>2268085
>that bombed Iraq,
Ok and?
>betraying socialism.
Not siding with Saddam is betraying socialism?

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>Ok and?

>not siding with SH is betraying socialism
how horrifying the level of shitlibery.

>defending Saddam is when you are against a bloody child murdering war

>hey don't bomb iraq and pillage that country!!
<why not? i need to fund social programs for the golden billion!
yep

bombing Belgrade is existing socialism

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still can't stop laughing at the "our historical mission is complete" line in the statement. you guys just figured that out only months after Devlet fucking Bahçeli calls on you to take a seat in the cuck chair huh? that was all it took lol?

>>2267925
Sir, this is a leftist imageboard. I'm sure there are plenty of riveting subreddits in which you can explore your hobby of soviet history to your heart's content.

The PKK's historic resistance enters a new stage
On February 27, Abdullah Öcalan took a historic step with his ‘Call for Peace and a Democratic Society.’ He placed change and transformation at the forefront of the PKK's agenda. While the PKK announced that it would act in accordance with this call, Öcalan said, “The PKK should convene its congress, dissolve itself, and end the armed struggle.” The PKK then announced that it had held its congress between May 5 and 7.

On May 12, the PKK announced that it was ending its armed struggle in order to pave the way and lay the groundwork for new initiatives and organizations that would be much stronger and more ambitious than when the PKK was founded.

The PKK is taking the struggle it has waged for more than fifty years to a new stage. It will move toward new organizations and methods of struggle. The PKK and its struggle will not disappear or come to an end.

The resistance and organization led by the PKK for half a century has created a great deal of accumulated experience. Based on this experience, it will restructure itself in accordance with the new era. This requires a major change and transformation. As the Kurdish people and their organizations move toward change and transformation, Turkey and the region cannot remain the same. Turkey must also undergo change and transformation. Politically and legally, the Turkish state must position itself to include the Kurds.

If the state is to be the state of the Kurds as well, it must abandon denial and disregard and undergo intellectual and legal transformation. If the process is sabotaged or derailed, a return to conflict will inevitably follow.

Öcalan has taken on a historic responsibility. While the AKP government has not taken any serious steps or made any legal changes, Öcalan has taken on the responsibility of dissolving the PKK and abandoning armed struggle. We do not know whether those who govern Turkey will understand the importance and historical significance of this and act accordingly. For now, their statements appear positive. However, whether these will remain mere words or be put into practice remains to be seen.

If the Turkish state makes peace with the Kurds in Northern Kurdistan and recognizes their existence, this will naturally affect other parts as well, mainly Rojava and North-East Syria because the work, resistance, and organization in this region have been inspired by the ideas and struggle of Öcalan. We are talking about a region where Öcalan spent twenty years organizing. The Turkish state has relentlessly and multifacetedly worked to break Öcalan’s influence and eliminate the gains of the revolution, attacking, occupying, and forming alliances. A fierce war and siege took place in Rojava.

The Turkish state has always referred to these attacks and policies as “fighting against the PKK and terrorism.” However, in an environment where the PKK has been dissolved and the armed struggle has ended, there is no longer any justification for Turkey's hostility and attacks against Rojava. If Turkey applies the law of brotherhood to the Kurds within its borders, its insistence on hostility toward the Kurds in Syria would also lose its meaning. This is the natural course of events; Turkey must return to a policy of reconciliation and brotherhood with the Kurds abroad as well.

Öcalan’s project aims to maintain the solution in Turkey in other parts as well. His goal is the Democratic Kurdistan Union. In other words, the aim is not to establish a separate state or federation, but a democratic union. This solution is also in the interests of other states. Thus, the Kurdish issue will cease to be a source of conflict and tension in the region. The path to peace and democratic transformation in the region will be opened. Here, no one will lose; on the contrary, everyone will gain.

Öcalan’s solution also encompasses the democratization of the Middle East. However, we do not know whether this solution will be implemented or whether Turkey will return to its familiar policies. In Syria, the Turkish government does not view the Kurds as an ally; it has chosen to side with HTS (Hayat Tahrir al-Sham). For months, it attacked the Tishrin Dam and other regions. Its goal was to completely take over North and East Syria and eliminate autonomy. Whether it will change its stance remains unclear.

The Autonomous Administration of North and East Syria and revolutionary forces should not be overcome by languor just because the attacks have stopped for now and there is a certain softening. This is because Turkey has not disbanded the armed groups and mercenaries it gathered under the name SNA (Syrian National Army). The people of Afrin still cannot return to their land. Turkey continues to negotiate with regional states to remove the SDF and autonomy and to bargain with powers such as the US.

For this reason, both the government and the people must continue to strengthen their self-defense and remain prepared for any eventuality.

>>2268949
So let me get this straight. Their idea of "continuing the struggle" is begging the reactionary authoritarian regime in Turkey to give them an autonomous region similar to that in Northern Syria?
And he thinks that will bring about his peoples emancipation?
What will happen when, presumably very soon, Syria and Turkey eat up Northern Syria and their progressive regime? What will he do then?

>>2268132
>>2268136
>>2268141
>>2268145
>>2268148
>SPD cuz my 'anti-revisionist' ML party offers slightly better social services
>ML party bad because they support the wrong camp
Liberal on liberal violence

>>2268072
For who?

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>>2267906
>This new paradigm abandoned old concepts such as the vanguard party and the nation-state, embracing instead broad social self-emancipation through popular assemblies, communes, and councils beyond statecraft and Capital.

Okay, so how is that working out for them

>>2268949
>The Turkish state has always referred to these attacks and policies as “fighting against the PKK and terrorism.” However, in an environment where the PKK has been dissolved and the armed struggle has ended, there is no longer any justification for Turkey's hostility and attacks against Rojava. If Turkey applies the law of brotherhood to the Kurds within its borders, its insistence on hostility toward the Kurds in Syria would also lose its meaning. This is the natural course of events; Turkey must return to a policy of reconciliation and brotherhood with the Kurds abroad as well.

They can't be this retarded

TURKISH DEFENCE MINISTRY SAYS A COORDINATED MECHANISM FOR HANDOVER OF PKK WEAPONS WILL BE ESTABLISHED AFTER PKK DECISION TO DISSOLVE, ANADOLU AGENCY SAYS

>>2269686
>Duran Kalkan: It is not a finalized process with agreement. If they want to attack and destroy, of course we will fight. We will thwart the attacks. We will not return to the old process. They will try to draw the PKK into the attack, and it already happened.

https://x.com/_C_OSINT/status/1922202550201102701

PKK E.C Member Murat Karayılan:

>"Our primary goal is the Freedom of Leader Apo. We believe that we must end the armed war strategy. But if the state does not accept this and does not make the necessary legal changes for this, this will not be possible in practice."


https://x.com/_C_OSINT/status/1922202550201102701

>but it's ogre

>>2268946
answer the question
did the PKK not 'disolve' itself into 'civil society' and did it abandon its 'vanguard' position in relation to the kurdish movement? yes or no?

HEY LOOK THE CIA OPERATION WAS A CIA OPERATION ALL ALONG. People died for a anarchist lie

>>2269692
>Our primary goal is the Freedom of Leader Apo
realing hammering the point that this is a cult that can't get over the german state using a demented ocalan to sabotage the movement and has to rescue their 'great men' instead of building this so-called 'antiauthoritarian postcapitalism'

>>2269692
I'm sorry, but you should really cut your loses and move on, this isn't healthy for anyone.

>>2269692
wow it truly is over

What happens to weapons and soldiers since the dissolution? Do you think that removing many fronts from play with allow for a much stronger hand with regard to Syria and DAANES?


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