How is the taliban of some resistance that I should look at positively or not despise? How do you look at these things and bend yourself into a pretzel justifying it because america is bad?
Not asking America to invade this hell but why should these people being given any leniency or understanding when they make people live in these retarded ways?
If you think this post is actually cia propaganda and Taliban dosen't do things like this at all then show me. If you want to make some noble savage argument that they are a unique culture and we can't relate to these decisions or judge them because we are westerners then kys
https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241229-taliban-leader-bans-windows-overlooking-women-s-areahttps://www.cnn.com/2024/08/22/middleeast/taliban-law-women-voices-intl-latam/index.html>>2196873This. I hate religioustard as much as OP but you can't force things this way.
The only way those top-down progressive measures work is when it's done by a genuine "rooted son of the fatherland" type figure like Attaturk or the bolsheviks. Otherwise it just make it appear like a rootless cosmopiltan order terrorising The People.
>>2196866something something le based multipolarity and women should be in the kitchen anyway
t. half of this website
>>2196873>>2196872These two responses are the best ones
Afghanis have been trying to get a government that works for them for ages now. A us invasion paired with the fact that the Afghan government is legitimately weak means that you’re not going to get something different from what was already seen in rural Afghanistan.
>>2196985no, of course not
women should be getting bombed and sent to american military base brothels
it's disgusting that afghanistan has a culture of their own, america should invade and give them human rights
and by human rights i mean the exact same situation as right now except more neoliberalism for their economy
>>2196866>Not asking America to invade this hell but why should these people being given any leniency or understanding when they make people live in these retarded ways?so what do you want then puta? why don't you stop obfuscating and say it.
fucking bitch
Would it be correct to say that what happened in Afghanistan between Soviet(+Afghans govt) and Afghani militias was a conflict between some form of middle eastern feudalism/agrarianism and state capitalism/socialism(what ever you want to call it), it seems to me that Afghanistan was an example of how socialist will have a hard time if the country hasn’t even goen through the capitalist stage of development.
>>2196993what kinds of war crimes?
>>2196866>How is the taliban of some resistance that I should look at positively or not despise?who exactly here 'likes' the Taliban?
They are reactionary violent morons who were propped up to fight the socialist govt of Afghanistan. You know, the soviet allied govt which actually tried to bring Afghanistan in the modern world.
>>2196981the afghan maoists sided with the mujahideen against the socialist afghan govt (backed by the red army) win the 80s.
The moronic maoists, in their blind obsession with the Sino-soviet split, supported theocratic reactionaries. Factionalism/sectarianism can be the deadliest of drugs.
>>2201599It's just a few hundred women in Kabul, am I supposed to weep at their fate? Compared to the thousands killed each year by coalition forces?
>>2201601>washingtonexaminerLmao
>>2201614a grudge will be held
attacking a socialist state side by side with insane islamists ain't something you can just go "oopsies, lets forget about it and try again comrade?"
You don't have to like the Taliban. It's just that whether the US is winning or losing against them, the Taliban are the USA's own doing. To top it off, all the burgers have done since, is ruin the place further militarily, install a puppet kleptocracy to launder their(drug) money and then re-instate the fucking Taliban again.
Oh and then sanction the place into literal famine, for good measure. While writing op-eds about the evils of the Islamists they installed, twice.
It's not the lesser evil, the Taliban, Isis, al-Qaeda or the Iranian Islamic revolution would just not exist without the USA/UK to begin with. They are not a lesser evil, they are the USA/UK's responsibility.
>>2209043 (me)
So as far as I'm concerned, even if they may have a progressive role to play in geopolitics, all the bad shit they do is squarely the responsibility of Washington.
>>2209913>I regularly see them lie about these regimes and claim they're secretly progressive, liberal loving organizationsHamas is progressive because it's waging a national liberation struggle that if successful would weaken the global capitalist order and facilitate socialist revolution in both Palestine and elsewhere. If you equate being progressive with being socially liberal, then you aren't a socialist. Something is progressive when it promotes the eventual victory of communism, full stop.
>Not everyone in Afghanistan is Taliban and not everyone in Gaza or the West Bank is Hamas.No, but like it or not these organizations are the organic representation of the anti-imperialist sentiment of the people in these countries. They are the leading resistance groups because they have the most popular support compared to alternatives, and therefore on some level are representative of the popular will. If you say you support the national liberation of these people, then you need to at least accept that struggle as it actually exists and how they choose to wage it. If you say you support it but only in a hypothetical sense when it conforms to some idealized version of it you've imagined, then you don't actually support it. Besides, you don't actually have to profess your love of everything these groups do, just abstain from joining in the attacks on them when they are being targeted by imperialist forces, and save your vitriol for the people dropping bombs on babies.
>>2209913>No, putting people in charge who normalize selling little girls to pedophiles because of some archaic tribal tradition is not suddenly good because of that.Taliban was put in power by the US.
Hamas was put in power by Israel.
This was a good move by them because they make you seethe and bend over for imperialism because le hecking brownies aren't progressive enough for you.
>>2227160>A woman’s voice is deemed intimate and so should not be heard singing, reciting, or reading aloud in public. It is forbidden for women to look at men they are not related to by blood or marriage and vice versa. lol where are they even getting this from? I have an afghan friend that just went back, I know their rules very well, non-mahram can interact with mahram around. Eg. sitting at the same table as him and his sister and talking to them both was fine … The taliban are progressives, the tribals literally regard women as objects. Since the Taliban took power they've put a stop to women being forced into marriages as a part of inheritance, men having marriage contracts with children and babies, etc ..
the taliban aren't westerners, but they're far from this Boogeyman, it's pretty comical
>>2227311can't tell if you're mocking me or not, either way whatever I say will be taken as larp
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYL-UuNE_9where, take it from a westerner. This is one of the few documentaries with semi-accurate subtitles and fair framing.
I wouldn't say living in Afghanistan as a woman right now is the best thing in the world, but it's definitely not worse than living there as a man. The government can't have women doing white collar tasks, there are no white collar tasks. What is an education going to do in a country that just got out of one of the most brutal wars ever.
Afghans are strong people with a rich history, western intervention never did and never will do anything good for them. Don't be an imperialist, they'll figure it out on their own.
>>2196866>How is the taliban of some resistance that I should look at positively or not despise? How do you look at these things and bend yourself into a pretzel justifying it because america is bad? America is bad. That doesn't make the Taliban not bad. That also does not mean the Taliban should be uncritically supported.
>Not asking America to invade this hell but why should these people being given any leniency or understanding when they make people live in these retarded ways?They shouldn't. But social change develops as a result of material change. If there had not been a war and an occupation for decades, Afghanistan would be much closer to an actual secular government at this point. America never put forth an honest nation-building project. It was all resource extraction, opium, preventing China from getting an economic foothold in the country and creating a pressure point against Iran.
>>2209149>So basically I'm opposed to the Taliban because they're American.4th dimensional anti-campisim.
>>2209043Extremely rare good glow take.
>>2227635if you actually had a job you'd know that 95% of work that requires an education is just paper pusher bullshit that just exists to appease people with the status quo, doesn't actually have any intrinsic value
>>2227604source?
also,
>>2227644.
>>2209043read a book about the regions that surround you, glow. These people are older than time. Did you actually fall for "the world revolves around america"? Hell if anything world politics revolve around Israel, who are deathly afraid of the Taliban, the Houthis, Hamas and the groups of their kind. They definitely don't fear anything coming out of the United Golem States.
>>2228157Anti-colonial ones are.
>>2228177Because the economic basis of modern capitalism is imperialism, i.e. the super-exploitation of some regions by others. Without it the rate of profit craters, the ability to placate workers in the first world disappears, and the capitalist system escalates towards crisis.
>>2196909It literally says
>Crys about muh noble savage >no mention of how it got to that point nor material conditions to explain it>Not asking America to invade this hell but>butIt implies it and you know it
>>2243980while americas bombing of muslims is reprehensible, it does not make sense to refrain from criticising islam because of this
Also, islam was cancerous way before america wven existed
>>2244071calm down with the buzzwords
reserve the word genocide for when it's actually happening
all 1+ billion muslims ar not getting genocided
the muslims sheikhs in the gulf are the main drivers of modern slavery
>>2196866'help me understand your perspective'
'but if you do so in a way which upsets my preconceived notions of reality, then kys'
You first, buddy. I'll tie the noose, you complete the mission.
>>2244400Yes israel is committing genocide in palestine
So talk about palestinian genocide, why talk of “muslims being genocided”??! And even worse, extrapolate this to “dont criticise islam”?
>>224440780 autism score non-marxist analysis abound!
Love retards who don't even understand the most rudimentary basis of the thing they pretend to advocate for.
You faggots are indistinguishable from anyone on /r/atheism, actually clinically retarded. And no, I don't owe you an explanation, you're so ignorant of even the basics that any serious attempt at exchange is literally a waste of time.
>>2244411Damn you are retarded
Palestinians, who are in great majority mulsims, ar ebeing genocided. But there is 1billion plus muslims in the world, but only palestinian muslims are being genocided. You cannot lump in this victim category the muslims of morocco and the muslims of bangladesh just because they are muslims. This is intellectual laziness
>>2244413Nobody said you couldn't, you're just too stupid to understand that your masturbatory 'criticism' amounts to nothing other than idealism, because you don't understand the determinate conditionality of critique to begin with.
I.e. you, like every other retard in this thread, are a pseudo-marxist indistinguishable from a reddit atheist.
>>2244418And yet you've done the exact thing you just accused me of being retarded for doing, LOL.
It's too easy to dogwalk the average leftypol retard these days. Such is life when you rely on youtube for info over an education.
>>2244420Word salad meaning fuck all
Islam has taken over almost all popular mass movements in the islamic world and put in place the worst kind of theological reactionary regime and im supposed to sit and tolerate their bullshit being propagandised everywhere
Fuck that
>>2244410You are the non marxist for ignoring how everytime communists form a front together with islamists, the islamists end up as sole rulers and annihilate every bit of communism to rule as medieval fascists
May some neo-ISIS sell your ass in a sex slave market you fucking moron
>>2196866The Taliban (as a movement) has to be understood within its historical and cultural context. The kneejerk reaction to the Taliban is that they are obviously wrong without understanding the rationale for their beliefs and policies. This isn't so much an endorsement of the Taliban, more pointing out that demonizing them doesn't help in understanding them at all. Do you really think a society that was invaded twice in 40 years and each time the invaders used "liberating women" and "women's rights" as a stick to intervene would react by embracing feminist politics? Very few people seem to understand the Taliban and what their ideas consist of, but everyone's perfectly happy to make them out as if they are the ultimate evil. The Taliban didn't nuke Nagasaki or carry out the Holocaust.
When it comes to Westerners judging the Taliban, I'd really like to know what moral standard are we using? How fallible is it? Are Afghans free to reject those moral standards? Often the demand to condemn the Taliban (and Hamas too) looks a lot like 19th century Europeans complaining about how brutal and savage Africans or native Papuans are and why they shouldn't be allowed to rule themselves.
>>2196873>no amount of top-down social engineering circlejerk by a bunch of liberal NGOs within the city limits of Kabul and their pet projects will have any lasting effect on country-level women's rights.What was more telling was the way many rural Afghan women seemed to be disinterested in liberal NGOs and their women's rights agenda and how many of them even supported the Taliban's insurgency against the US.
Progressives, including leftists, are often extremely conceited and blind to the fact that what they see as good or desirable for women is simply the product of their own worldview. We treat liberty as a natural ideal, but Nietzsche pointed out that it was an idea of the ruling class and not natural at all. Progressives and leftists assumed in 2001 that with the fall of the Taliban, women would cast off their burkas and embrace their new found rights, yet the vast majority of Afghan women did not behave this way. It also created a massive backlash because many ordinary Afghans understandably associated women's rights and feminism with neocolonial occupation.
>>2244466This is the same argument people use for why countries that are sanctioned don't support LGBT yet Cuba with 64 years of sanctions support abortion rights and even trans rights at a higher level than many western countries
Your argument falls apart fast.
>>2244482The Taliban didn't exist in the 80s. They aren't a tribe. And their religious views don't align with the Saudis, something al-Qaeda rank and file complained about in the 90s.
>>2244492But Cuba and Afghanistan a massively different. There are different historical and material conditions at play. Its not simply an issue of ideology.
>>2244496Your going off the basis that women don't like being made to wear "trash bag outfits" and if we go by the conventions of American and European or Japanese women, that's certainly correct. But Afghan women, especially rural Afghan women, do not share those beliefs. Burkas are just an accepted and ordinary part of many rural women's dress.
I don't see anyone shilling Islamism here. It just seems a lot of anons here can't read and their response when they fail at argument is to poison the well and accuse their opponent of being X or Y boogeyman.
>>2244521raped by hamas
>>2244528raped by hamas
>>2244551they piss me off man
Another reason why I grew allergic to 'muh intersectionality' . Turns out it's always communists diluting (sometimes even betraying) their position to accommodate for the "allies" and to uphold solidarity. But the opposite never happens, when the communist needs support from his "allies", they will be the first to piss on him.
There is no brotherhood with the islamists because they will exterminate communists at the first chance they get.
>>2244560Is it the Saudi's like in Network 1976?
"Am mad as hell and not going to take it any more!"
Good movie, you should give it a watch anon.
>>2244704Please.
Please can we start making our own soyjak variants.
I'm tired of the same photo being used again and again across the board.
Soyjaks are not banned here.
We can trace or get templates from soybooru and make our own Jarty hanging jaks, Meximutt jaks, anything you want, just get some variety.
Please.
>>2196959maoist retards fought alongside the mujahideen
opinion rejected
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