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How is the taliban of some resistance that I should look at positively or not despise? How do you look at these things and bend yourself into a pretzel justifying it because america is bad?

Not asking America to invade this hell but why should these people being given any leniency or understanding when they make people live in these retarded ways?

If you think this post is actually cia propaganda and Taliban dosen't do things like this at all then show me. If you want to make some noble savage argument that they are a unique culture and we can't relate to these decisions or judge them because we are westerners then kys

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20241229-taliban-leader-bans-windows-overlooking-women-s-area
https://www.cnn.com/2024/08/22/middleeast/taliban-law-women-voices-intl-latam/index.html

Thoughts?

Because much of that entire region, as well as Latin America and Africa, has had any nominally “progressive” government or really any government that wasn’t an absolute lapdog for western capital has been destoryed and the most reactionary regimes have been allowed to prosper. Whether in the form of religious hardliners like the Taliban or all the comprador bourgeois dictators in Africa and Latam that are willing to collaborate with the West

Not to blame it all on “the west” or “le white man” but these people have been attempting to develop sovereignty or really just have some sort of stability for a decade without having their resources plundered by invasion, sanctions or taken by the IMF and having their economy privatized and sold off


In the taliban’s case you can’t just post a photo and say “le islamists bad” without ignoring the years of Us occupation, civil war, the funding of reactionary fighters against the socialist government, or else I’m assuming you don’t know what you’re talking about or arguing in bad faith

If you were an actual communist, i. e. a materialist, you would understand that no amount of top-down social engineering circlejerk by a bunch of liberal NGOs within the city limits of Kabul and their pet projects will have any lasting effect on country-level women's rights.

Advancement of women's rights are a product of economic and the advancement of material conditions.

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>>2196866
You can think whatever you want to. Think they should've probably gone with Heavy D and the Halfghans but there was a whole row because he allegedly suffocated some Taliban prisoners to death in shipping containers so the U.S. sidelined him for some State Department flunkies.

I don't know dude
America IS bad but then some people take it to the lengths of calling you a glowtard for saying that the taliban isn't good either. I'm just glad the US isn't bloodsucking that nation as it once before because it only made the situation worse
I think people are still just reeling after all the propaganda justifying invasions, so they assume you're justifying that too

>>2196873
this. you can't expect a socialist (even a democratic) revolution can be transplanted somewhere where the conditions are not ripe. we have to industrialize Afghanistan

>>2196866
>wow the taliban sucks. logically, logically, we should send armed american goons to genocide the pashtun. we can drone strike schools till they teach little afghan girls about hillary clinton and greta thunberg.

this is what westoid liberals sound like.

>>2196908
Nowhere on this post was any of this mentioned

>>2196908
Like you literally turn this into the Taliban cannot be critiqued at all of it means you want to regime them.

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Now imagine how much worse the Westoid/NATO backed regime was that the Afghan people chose the fucking TALIBAN as the lesser evil.

The Taliban doesn’t exist in a historical bubble. The U.S. had a hand in it coming into existence.

>>2196911
I'm waiting for the afghan youth that lived through the war to get their voices into the world. the shit that we know already sounds like fucking berserk.

>>2196911
I also hated those guys. I don't know why I need to pick a lesser evil between these 2

The Taliban are BASED. Afghanistan is now free nation. Cope and seethe, imperialist

>>2196916
it's still a shithole

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Since this is an Afghanistan thread, I highly recommend you read this article by the Communist (Maoist) Party of Afghanistan which gives insight to the political situation in the country.

https://www.sholajawid.org/english/main_english/The%20Taliban%20on%20the%20Brink%20of%20Collapse.html

>>2196873
This. I hate religioustard as much as OP but you can't force things this way.
The only way those top-down progressive measures work is when it's done by a genuine "rooted son of the fatherland" type figure like Attaturk or the bolsheviks. Otherwise it just make it appear like a rootless cosmopiltan order terrorising The People.

>>2196959
>English language website talking about a supposedly real organization operating in a country where 94% of people don't speak English and 80% of people don't have access to the internet.

Hellooooooooooooooooo Langley!

>>2196915
You don't really need to "pick" the Taliban as such. You just need to oppose your own government when it wages imperialist wars. I know Afghanistan as a tiny Maoist party trying to wage PPW against the Taliban. I doubt they'll succeed but I think I speak for most people here when I say I would obviously like to see them win.

>>2196976
There's a Farsi version too retard.

>>2196866
something something le based multipolarity and women should be in the kitchen anyway

t. half of this website

I am about to type something really racist against muslims but I'm not going to.
All I will say is my grandpa fought in Afghanistan in the Soviet Army. He committed war crimes against the civilians (his own confession).
He also said
>Just because it has two eyes and ears does not mean it's a human
He was also member of the CPSU of his own volition and remains a communist to this day.
He said that statement at a gathering of some 50 afghan vets half of whom were muslims from central asia.
Everyone clapped.
Afghanistan seems to bring out the worst in people.
There is a movie from 2008 called The Objective. It's paranormal bullshit, but really spooky. Gives the vibes of crazy shit happening in that fuckin' place.

>>2196976
Did you read it? They heavily criticise the colonial puppet regime.

>>2196994
Also that party has existed since the 60s lmao.

>>2196873
>>2196872
These two responses are the best ones

Afghanis have been trying to get a government that works for them for ages now. A us invasion paired with the fact that the Afghan government is legitimately weak means that you’re not going to get something different from what was already seen in rural Afghanistan.

>>2196993
>Just because it has two eyes and ears does not mean it's a human
Wow good point! I now support NATO's depopulation of these evil monstrous Russian nazis

>>2196985
no, of course not
women should be getting bombed and sent to american military base brothels
it's disgusting that afghanistan has a culture of their own, america should invade and give them human rights
and by human rights i mean the exact same situation as right now except more neoliberalism for their economy

>>2196866
Why are you making all these dogshit threads with schizo premises of things nobody said?

No cap bruh this weird Fr fr on god

>>2196866
>Not asking America to invade this hell but why should these people being given any leniency or understanding when they make people live in these retarded ways?
so what do you want then puta? why don't you stop obfuscating and say it.

fucking bitch

>women in Afghanistan can't cook near windows or speak to each other, according to reddit
manufacturing consent to invade and occupy again

>>2196910
ok critique away. you're not in power so you don't get to decide what they're replaced with

>muh wimminz
Horrible, thanks for letting me know. Now I support even harsher economical sanctions despite half of the country already being on the brink of famine right this moment. This will surely help Afghanistan's women.

It’s the job of Afghani women to fight for their dignity, no one else’s

>>2196866
You do not have to support or not support ever single fucking political movement in the fucking world you freak autist. You type in English so I’m assuming English is your first language which means the taliban have nothing to do with you or your existence/reality. Having an opinion on them is irrelevant to your reality. If we’re talking about any socialist movement in Afghanistan then yes it would be worth discussing, but the taliban is pointless shit to talk about.

>>2196866
There is no greater humiliation that to be an islamist. In the midst of the Palestinian genocide, the only thing they can do is get funded by sunnis to kill shias or viceversa.

>>2197170
Tbf the Taliban did offer to send fighters to Palestine to join Hamas.

>>2197027
Russians can never be nazis. They defeated nazis.

>>2197187
Bait used to be strong

>>2197245
Glad you liked it faggot

>>2196866
You should hate reactionarism everywhere. Cold war ziggers think every war is "ideological" and a repeat of WW2.

Would it be correct to say that what happened in Afghanistan between Soviet(+Afghans govt) and Afghani militias was a conflict between some form of middle eastern feudalism/agrarianism and state capitalism/socialism(what ever you want to call it), it seems to me that Afghanistan was an example of how socialist will have a hard time if the country hasn’t even goen through the capitalist stage of development.

>>2196993
what kinds of war crimes?

I won't lie OP, I don't really care about Afghanistan nor do most Americans.
That's the only thing I can say, and why no one is doing anything.
Sorry.

>>2196866
>How is the taliban of some resistance that I should look at positively or not despise?
who exactly here 'likes' the Taliban?
They are reactionary violent morons who were propped up to fight the socialist govt of Afghanistan. You know, the soviet allied govt which actually tried to bring Afghanistan in the modern world.

>>2197170
a mad-reactionary extremely religious ideology makes you brain dead? paint me shocked

>>2196981
the afghan maoists sided with the mujahideen against the socialist afghan govt (backed by the red army) win the 80s.
The moronic maoists, in their blind obsession with the Sino-soviet split, supported theocratic reactionaries. Factionalism/sectarianism can be the deadliest of drugs.

Islam is retarded and the only reason leftoids tolerate it is because they are retarded. The right liking Islam makes much more sense, but I think they like violence more.

>>2201205
Islam is effectively medieval fascism. There is a reason we don’t even talk about the ‘far right’ in Islamic countries, the far right position there is already the default position.

>>2201205
>>2201293
oy vey

Something something multipolarity but also productive forces except we support subhuman deathdealers who destroy productive forces to stick it to the USA because at some point along the political journey spite vs USA became more important than actually achieving a progressive agenda.

>>2201526
Someone is mad drug prices went up because the Taliban burned the poppy field.

>>2201530
Nah, I'm more mad about the fundamentalist baboons destroying any semblance of a modernizing society. But go ahead, deflect about drug trade, I'm sure it will make you stop thinking of all the urban laborers who got lynched.

>>2201364
Judeos shouldn't be tolerated either and it really wasn't until Oct 7th that the possibility could express itself.

all religions are deeply reactionary scams and should be treated as such.

the world will only be free when we've put the last shovel of earth on the grave of the last priest.

>>2201561
>>2201556
Lack of pragmatism to smother religions with a velvet glove will doom any such maximalist attempts. People will care more about religious claptrap than your other policies since you'd literally target part of their core identity. Only cure to the religion question is to smother it by forcing it to become more progressive and letting it eventually die its own death through complete breakdown of organized faith structures to keep the dogmas alive.

>>2201530
How does making women wear garbage bags help the drug problem?

>>2201566
The only solution to religion is to do to them what they did to us.

Denounce your false god or go meet him.

That is how Christ-insanity and Islam spread through the world, and that is how they must be unmade.

>>2201577
Uhuh. I guess Soviet collapse taught fuck all. Or I guess the lesson was just "oh well if we push harder it will surely stop the issue and not just make us the ultimate supervillains in the eyes of the average baboon-joe, no no, nothing bad at all can happen from openly attacking core identity of millions!".

The Taliban burning the poppy fields and outlawing mass child rape was a good thing.

>>2201592
*coughs up blood* The poppy fields- *looks away from women being brutalized and teachers killed* they made it all worth it!

>>2201592
They didn't do that though

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/2592451/photos-video-and-testimony-suggest-that-the-taliban-are-sexually-exploiting-young-boys/

>>2201585
One of the reasons why the USSR collapsed is that they refused to exterminate the reactionary cults and allowed them to fester and foment dissent inside the country.

The USSR should have actually done what all the hysterical anti-communists claim, but they did not.

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>>2201599
It's just a few hundred women in Kabul, am I supposed to weep at their fate? Compared to the thousands killed each year by coalition forces?

>>2201601
>washingtonexaminer
Lmao

>>2201609
>I don't like the source reeee

>>2201190
Yeah that was obviously a terrible decision but there's no use in holding a grudge about it 40 years later.

>>2201612
>The Washington Examiner is an American conservative news magazine based in Washington, D.C., consisting of a website and a weekly printed magazine. It is owned by Philip Anschutz

>His father was an oil tycoon and land speculator who invested in ranches in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming, and eventually went into the oil-drilling business. His grandfather, Carl Anschutz,[6] was an ethnic German who emigrated from Russia

>Through the Anschutz Foundation, he had made grants to conservative think tanks, including the American Enterprise Institute, the Federalist Society and the Heritage Foundation.

>>2201614
a grudge will be held
attacking a socialist state side by side with insane islamists ain't something you can just go "oopsies, lets forget about it and try again comrade?"

>>2201577
yes
backward reactionaries must be subjected to red terror
no 'solidarity' or 'intersectionality' with these apes has ever yielded any progress
they use leftists to their benefits and piss on us the moment they take power
death to religious leaders

>>2201364
not everyone who criticises islam is a zionist or a jew, you simplistic moron

>>2201624
Remember when the Soviets held a grudge against the Americans for their anti-Bolshevik intervention during the Russian Civil War? When they refused lend lease aid or American bombing campaigns against Germany? Me neither. Grudges are impractical in addition to being unscientific. The balance of forces is always in flux and an organization or movement that was on the side of reaction yesterday can be transformed into a progressive force tomorrow.

>>2201566
>progressive social parasitism

The Taliban are the free market strongest soldiers btw

>>2196876
>Heavy D and the Halfghans
wut lol. Story?

>>2196866
They US literally funded the Taliban against the Socialist government in the 90s you gigafaggot OP


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