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>the killing of Brian Thompson
>violent and chaotic anti-American student protests
>Tesla burnings
>violent attacks on pro-life activists and other right-wingers
>arson attack on Gov Shapiro's home
>multiple assassination attempts on Trump
We have now entered an American Years of Lead without question.

A very special friend of ours warned us about this months ago and nobody listened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qda4JY36BBA
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>>2288876
>>2288877
nothing else can be added, they are valid targets as well.

>>2288881
you are insane

>>2288886
no, if it's valid for israelites to target palestinians for flimsy links to hamas such as being on the same mile as them, israelites deserves the same.
but i don't understand you uyghas, bomber harris get memed but the same thing against the same type of people happens today and i'm insane, please, i'm just not making excuses for genocidal maniacs.

>>2288887
i refuse to entertain the logic in its entirety, you do not simply concede that all people linked to a state are necessarily all combatants, to entertain it for israelis is to endorse it being done to shias in lebanon, palestinians in gaza and kurds in turkiye

>>2288881
So one we of the greatest musicians of our day deserves to be killed because he’s functionally no different from an IDF soldier? Fuck you.

>>2288511
sloppa

>>2288892
There's a lot of sentiment that Israelis as a whole are irredeemable. If you show support for Israel you are complicit in genocide.

>>2288511
>za'atar smoke
As a Lebanese, this infuriates me.

>>2288511
>>2288851
>>2288876
>>2288877
>>2288881
If you ask him if he's a Zionist or his opinions on Palestine in his IG comments he blocks you.

t. happened to me

>>2227459
the genocide you idiot

>>2227459
>I think it’s telling how people on here will say killing “Zionists” is justified but killing cops, landlords, CEOs, etc. isn’t.
schizophrenic zio makes up shit to be mad about, many such cases

>>2285842
fucking based

>>2288892
sure I don't see why not

>>2286343
one of us one of us

>>2286343
he is literally king lear but if king lear had the balls to do something besides being cringe on the interwebz

>>2288892
There are no innocent Zios

>>2224729
OP you have no idea how fucking cringe you are. This is a country where mass shootings are normal. This ain't the years of lead, its just baseline burger psychosis.

retard take

>>2289398
Mass shootings happen all the time in America. It’s just now that they’re becoming politically-motivated.


>>2288877
Performing in a genocidal colonial entity is enough to make you a legitimate target.


>>2227459
>Like what is it about Palestine that makes you turn into vicious animals?
"No Jews no news"

>>2288511
The Alchemist and Thom Yorke = Zionist filth

https://newpol.org/the-israel-embassy-killings-wrong-in-every-way/

The Israel Embassy Killings: Wrong in Every Way

>In the face of the ongoing genocide unfolding before our eyes in Gaza, with Human Rights Watch warning “Latest Israeli Plan Inches Closer to Extermination,” it is not surprising that people with decent instincts would feel desperate to do something to stop the carnage. But the path chosen by Elias Rodriguez, who shot and killed two staff members of the Israeli embassy in Washington DC, was not the solution. On the contrary, it was a tragedy and wrong on multiple levels.


>Most people are not absolute pacifists, but believe that there are times where violence is morally justified. But the moral bar for using violence is a high one, and violence must be focused on those who bear particular responsibility for harm. That’s why international humanitarian law makes a crucial distinction between combatants and noncombatants—a distinction that has been violated by Israel on a vast scale. Low-level embassy employees are not combatants nor are they policymakers. Killing them was morally wrong. That they worked for the foreign ministry of a state engaged in mass crimes was condemnable, but not a capital offense.


>Moreover, to be just, violence must offer the best chance of stopping the harm. Yet there is no chance at all that the deaths of the staffers will cause Israel or its American enablers to reverse course. On the contrary, the incident is already being used to justify further repression of the pro-Palestine movement.


>From the reports of the shooting, one wonders whether Rodriguez even knew for certain that his victims worked for the embassy. The crowd leaving the event at the Capital Jewish Museum included diplomats, young Jewish professionals, and keynote speakers from two aid organizations, one of which suffered the loss of three volunteers in Gaza, killed, in the organization’s words, “when their residence was attacked by Israeli forces without any warning.”


>Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that the “terrorist who cruelly gunned [the pair] down did so for one reason and one reason alone—he wanted to kill Jews.” This is preposterous. Nothing in Rodriguez’s “Explication“ or his social media history that has been extensively pored through shows that he held any animus toward Jews qua Jews rather than towards the Israeli state and its terrible crimes. It’s hard to imagine that he would have acted as he did in the absence of Israeli atrocities that have reached the level of genocide. He shouted his support of Palestinians, not antisemitic slogans. On his window in Chicago he had a sign reading “Tikkun Olam means FREE PALESTINE.”


>But still, by targeting a mostly Jewish meeting organized by the American Jewish Committee held in a Jewish space without an explicitly pro-Israel agenda, Rodriguez has blurred what should be a bright line between anti-Jewish and anti-Israel actions. Israel apologists have long been working to deny the distinction; unfortunately Rodriguez has muddied it further. Whatever his intentions, his victims will not just be the two staffers, but the people of Palestine. As a result of his actions, attention will be diverted from the ongoing mass slaughter in Gaza to the deaths of the young couple.


>The pro-Palestinian movement had been making important strides in recent weeks. The latest Gallup poll showed that fewer than half of Americans support Israel, and that among those who identify as Democrats, Palestinians were supported over Israel by an incredible 59% to 21%. According to an Economist-YouGov poll, a plurality of voters want to decrease military aid to Israel, particularly among Democrats. And though Congress lags far behind the public, opposition has been slowly growing there to the U.S. blank check to Israel and to the enforced starvation.


>Now, however, the killing of the staffers will be used to try to discredit the Palestinian cause. There will be all sorts of further clamping down against activists: more weaponized charges of antisemitism, more surveillance, more arrests, more deportations. This repression will not be new. But it will have more public support than before. Already the print New York Times has run a story on its front page:


<“Attack Tangles Pro-Palestinian Movement’s Path”


<“The slaying of two Israeli Embassy workers cast[s] a harsh spotlight on pro-Palestinian groups in the United States. Activists, who were already being scrutinized, could face further pushback.”


>And on the op-ed page, they offered up a piece by the media director at the Consulate General of Israel in New York with the print title “This Is the Tragic Consequence of Conflating Jews and Israel”—ignoring the strong presence of Jews and Jewish organizations in the movement for Palestinian liberation.


>To be sure, terrorism has sometimes “worked,” particularly when carried out by powerful states (think of Guernica or Hiroshima). But the historical record of terror by Palestinians has been to strengthen the Israeli right. Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians in the mid-1990s or during the Second Intifada, or rockets fired at Sderot, led not to justice but to more repression, the disappearance of the Israeli left, and greater racist intolerance among the Israeli public. Likewise, October 7 did not advance the Palestinian cause, but set it back horribly. And the assassinations of low-level Israeli officials in the United States will certainly not help in furthering Palestinian interests.


>The survival of the Palestinian people will alas depend on political change in the United States. That will require the growth of the U.S. pro-Palestine movement, building support as widely as possible. Such a movement needs to maintain its moral clarity—both for its own sake and to have any chance of success.

>>2289658
All Zios deserve to die.

I’m sick of playing nice.

All my mercy is gone. Burn every Zio into ash.

>In a way, he's no different than a man walking to work, seeing building on fire, and without hesitation–without thought–running inside, sacrificing himself to save the children burning alive. The only difference? The fire was started by America and Israel, and the children are being killed intentionally.

>>2289658
moralfagging

>>2289658
>Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians in the mid-1990s or during the Second Intifada, or rockets fired at Sderot, led not to justice but to more repression, the disappearance of the Israeli left, and greater racist intolerance among the Israeli public. Likewise, October 7 did not advance the Palestinian cause, but set it back horribly.
<just wait for the totally real israeli "left" to save you while we murder you

>>2289695
Hamas has even said more Palestinian deaths advance their struggle, because they further the delegitimization of Isn’treal.

>>2289695
<it's your fault you're getting exterminated because you fought back against your extermination

>>2289684
But killing fascists makes you JUST as bad as fascists. The real revolutionary act is to let yourself be exterminated until you're popular enough to not be exterminated any more. That's called moral clarity.

>>2289658
there's nothing in this attack for communists to denounce the US wasn't gonna stop supporting israel anyways and it wasn't gonna stop repressing pro-palestinian activists either, the killing of two rabid zionists isn't gonna convince anyone who wasn't already convinced of the moral justifiaction of israel to genocide palestinians

at most you could say the attack will be inconsequential and a "waste of time" but then again you can say that about any pro-palestine protest except most of them don't result in palestinians getting some miniscule ammount of justice in the form of the death of two of their oppresors

>>2289709
Newpol is part of the anti-communist "socialism from below" matrix.

>>2288881
>>2289271
>>2289353
>>2289522
>>2289606
So simply having shitty political views is enough to justify being killed?

>>2289894
they where literal soldiers you braindead ape

>>2289925
I'm not talking about the Israeli embassy workers. I'm talking about people like The Alchemist and Thom Yorke.

>>2289935
why do you care? are you tom yorker?

>>2289958
No. I'm asking why simply holding shitty political views makes you a legitimate target for political violence. It's no different to Israel saying "all of Gaza is Hamas".

>>2289961
why wouldn't it? dont want to be a target change your shitty views?

consequentialism v deontology

its good when we do it vs its always bad
aka
good to kill fascists not good to kill communists

>>2289962
The difference is that the majority of fascists and neo-Nazis are violent and terrorize vulnerable communities.

Meanwhile, your average Jew who vaguely "supports Israel" isn't necessarily going to do anything except be an asshole on the internet.

>>2289974
Is the "average Jew" spreading Nazi propaganda to their 1 million + followers? They hanged journalists at Nuremburg, and by many accounts not enough. There is a reason people are making lists of cable news reporters. They did it after Rwanda too and the DJ's calling for extermination of people didn't pull a trigger either.

Im just explaining the other side but I'm not seeing what your justification against it is, but it seems to me like you are implying something that you take for granted

>>2289658
>Rodriguez has blurred what should be a bright line between anti-Jewish and anti-Israel actions
If you point at a random Jew you'll find a German Christian who spreads genocide propaganda. BEYOND PARODY LOL
>attention will be diverted from the ongoing mass slaughter in Gaza to the deaths of the young couple.
did you know that many nazis were prosecuted for their role in helping genocide at Nuremberg?
"The Propaganda Prosecutions at Nuremberg" (2017)
https://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/ilr/vol39/iss1/10/
>As Erna Petri, a German homemaker and mother of two, was driving home after grocery shopping, she saw six disheveled and seemingly scared children huddling together on the side of the road. It was the summer of 1943. And through word of mouth, Erna knew that a group of Jewish children had escaped from a train headed to a Nazi extermination center. It occurred to her that these children may have been a part of that group. She approached them and kindly invited them to come home with her. Once at her house, she gave them something to eat and reassured them that they would be safe. Then she asked them to go outside with her. In a wooded area by her house, she stood them one next to the other. Then she placed herself behind them, pulled out a gun, and shot each one of them in the back of the head. After the war, when asked how she could have engaged in such an incomprehensible act of cruelty against innocents, she replied:
<I am unable to grasp at this time how in those days that I was in such a state as to conduct myself so brutally and reprehensibly—shooting Jewish children. However earlier . . . I had been so conditioned to fascism and the racial laws, which established a view towards the Jewish people. As was told to me, I had to destroy the Jews. It was from this mindset that I came to commit such a brutal act
Such a tragedy how people blame propagandists for this!

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is it actually bad if fascists are scared to spread their views publicly because they fear violent repercussions? some might think that is a good thing

>>2289981
Well again, do you think it would be morally justified to engage in violence at a hip hop producer who made a beat tape called "Israeli Salad"?

How do we determine who is a "Zionist" because it seems like no one in the Palestine solidarity camp can even tell you what that actually means. There are some who will say anyone who promotes coexistence between Palestinians and Israelis is a "Zionist" and deserves to be seen in the same light as Bibi and Ben-Gvir.

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>>2290046
I dont know enough about these celebrities but yes there are definitely ethical positions that would get you there. Its a little fuzzy to me but there is definitely a line where you have a big enough audience that you are no longer a "normal" civilian and have to have some responsibility for what you put out. But there are also moral justifications for terrorism against "normal" civilians. For example, hypothetically, if the US is a democracy one could say that 9/11 was justified, but of course we know its not a democracy.

>How do we determine who is a "Zionist"

This borders on bait but assuming you are just naive it means anyone who thinks Israel as a settler colonial apartheid ethno-state should exist. It would really depend on what you mean by "coexistence between Palestinians and Israelis" but within that you maintain Israeli as one of the two identities, presumably meaning Israel exists. If this hypothetical coexistence means a two state solution then that is probably Zionism. If it exists as an ethno-state then the apartheid logically follows to maintain demographic supremacy, as does the ethnic cleansing. If you mean a secular Israel not based on Jewish ethnicity and just keeping two different state names for tradition or because everyone previously agreed to 1967 borders but essentially becoming the same state then it probably wouldn't.

Why do you think "simply having shitty political views is enough to justify being killed" is morally wrong? So that we can have a baseline for what you consider moral, as morality is a highly subjective topic.

Doesn't it depend on the severity of the "shitty political views"? If someone was going around your town saying that a group of people who have a common immutable characteristic should be murdered on that basis and there was a series of killing resulting from that could a violent pre-emptive strike against it by an individual with those characteristics who has not been personally harmed yet not be justified as self defense?

I think its quite different for someone to be targeted based on "political views" that necessarily and logically result in harm to innocents then targeting someone based on inherent qualities about a person that they cant change, like where they were born or their ancestry. Views can be changed, and political violence can be a mechanism for changing them, but you can't change the circumstance of your birth. Palestinians cant not be Palestinian, but being a Zionist is a choice, and it is choosing genocide.

Also you didn't answer my question, and instead just gave a vague statement with a bunch more implications.

What is Zionism to you? Why do you think it is morally bad to commit violence against propagandists? Do you just think violence should only done legally, by the state, which in this case is also complicit in the genocide? You keep flipping back and forth from average people and having bad views to celebrities endorsing genocide to millions of fans.

>>2290057
So by your logic, if 90% of Jews are Zionists, it would be morally justified to murder 90% of Jews on that basis alone?

Making an album called “Israeli Salad” means you should be killed because it entails you believe Israel should exist?

>>2290057
>Why do you think it is morally bad to commit violence against propagandists?
Because what counts as “propaganda” in this case is exceptionally vague. “I loved my visit to Tel Aviv” is not the sane thing as “kill all Palestinians”.

>>2290249
> your logic,
>>2290057
>there are definitely ethical positions that would get you there
>>2289981
>Im just explaining the other side
>>2290250
>what counts as “propaganda” in this case is exceptionally vague
>>2290057
>Its a little fuzzy to me but there is definitely a line

You still havent explained your own perspective. Where if your line? What counts? Or do you think it doesn't count, and why?

>>2290249
>90% of Jews are Zionists, it would be morally justified to murder 90% of Jews on that basis alone?
>you should be killed… (if) you believe Israel should exist?
indisputably yes. the destruction of Israel is the strategic goal of anti-zionist forces. if you disagree you are zionist


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