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>the killing of Brian Thompson
>violent and chaotic anti-American student protests
>Tesla burnings
>violent attacks on pro-life activists and other right-wingers
>arson attack on Gov Shapiro's home
>multiple assassination attempts on Trump
We have now entered an American Years of Lead without question.

A very special friend of ours warned us about this months ago and nobody listened.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qda4JY36BBA

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https://erikhoudini.com/weeksasdecadesreadinglist


When it's socialism or barbarism and you already live in the barbarism.

Good

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>OP

>>2224729
>muh killings and burnings
Ever consider they deserved it?

>>2224729
>We have now entered an American Years of Lead
BASED!

>>2224729
How are student protests and bitch slapping anti-abortion morons indicative of a “years of lead”, exactly?

>>2224744
>https://erikhoudini.com/weeksasdecadesreadinglist
might as well link directly to cia.gov

You will still have to go to work tomorrow.

>>2224729
For an Anni di Piombo this sure is weak sauce. Call me when the boom booms go off in DC.

>>2224729
Okay now do all the violence that’s been unleashed by the Trump Administration.

>>2224729
Something tells me Maupin is hyping this shit up only because he’s trying to sell books.

>>2224885
I remember when in Italy the entire country stopped working for a couple years real bad on the economy yknow

>>2224980
If spank is was serious he’d print off as many copies as possible and put them in little free libraries. That way his message would reach way more people.

>>2225006
>Pro-life punk rock
Even more evidence that punk is a psyop play-pretend "rebellion"

>>2225006
I would order his book from Lulu but I’m scared Caleb will see that it’s me who ordered it and have access to my personal info.

>>2224744
>https://erikhoudini.com/weeksasdecadesreadinglist
>No Marx at all in reading list.
>TM 31-210 - US Army Improvised Munitions Handbook
>Discord
>Gmail
>Instagram
Nice try glowie

>>2224729
Wasn’t the kid on the bottom right revealed to be a white supremacist influenced by a satanic Nazi cult? And his main motivation to kill Trump was the MIGA stuff? Not very leftist if you ask me.

>>2224866
They trigger and influence more violence.

>>2225006
Someone tweet this photo to Caleb so he knows his books are being distributed.

>>2225076
Critical support to white supremacists to combat zionist facism. It's called praxis comrade.

>>2225184
Piss off NazBol.

>>2225076
That's not really relevant to the assertion that America has entered a Years of Lead type low intensity civil conflict.

>>2225251
The assertion is extremely stupid and not worth taking the time to refute. No present-day Americans have ever lived through a civil conflict ("low intensity" or otherwise) so they have no frame of reference for what it'd actually be like.

But, needless to say, a few sporadic assassination attempts and arsons is not even in the same ballpark. America was much closer to a Years of Lead scenario in the 60s and 70s, and even that paled in comparison to the real deal.

WEIMERIKA LET'S FUCKING GO M8

>>2225047
you don't get to a reading list like that without having already read Marx

>>2225251
Talk to Maupin about it because he has a god-tier analysis of world events and history.

>>2225400
Maupin is a fucking retard. A few randos like Luigi (assuming he even did it) or that shithead who killed his parents and planned to assassinate Trump committing acts of sporadic violence isn’t the same thing as organized militias meticulously gunning down anyone with the “wrong” politics. There is no American version of the Red Brigades.

>>2224729
I just realized that Caleb Maupin sounds kind of like Linkara.

>>2225076
Demons probably did it.

>>2224729
Caleb Maupin can’t stop giving metzitzah b’peh to MAGAts.

>>2224729
>”it HAS to be a CIA conspiracy guize!!!”

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>>2225281
This. Everywhere you look someone is declaring the sky is falling. Shit's escalating, but nothing will happen for a while longer. Something is coming, but it won't be an actual civil war where average citizens are fearful or even participating.

>>2225571
And there likely never will be.

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>>2225047
>glowie

Really? Here?
You're really under the delusion that there are secret government agents paid to hang around incel forums and keep tabs on what people like you are posting?
LOL, the ego on you. You really see yourself as some "formidable threat" that anyone needs to worry about? Get over yourself, schizo. No one is keeping tabs on ignorant old you.
And no, me thinking that you're crazy does not make me one of these fictitious secret agents, but I won't put it past you to accuse me.
I wish you people could see how ridiculous you seem. How paranoid your worldview is. It isn't warranted in the slightest. No one is out to get us for discussing these things.
But you go ahead and "protect your identity" by not looking at certain websites. Surely you know where you're safe and where you could be "compromised". Conspiratard faggot.

>>2224729
Is there any songs about the current events of the modern age?

>>2226104
Word on the street is, Billie Eilish is currently writing an entire album of anti-Trump/anti-Musk protest anthems.

>>2226104
It's *are* there any songs. Are you new to this language or just stupid?

>>2226121
I'm getting tired of artists thinking a song will change anything.

46-year old xennial old hag here.

You have got to be kidding me if you think the "violence" from the past year is anything close to what was going in the so-called USA during the 90s. I lived through it and saw some of the worst of it.

In the 90s we had Ruby Ridge, Waco, the OKC bombing, Ted Kaczynski was out mailing a few packages, Columbine, and many other notorious violent acts which dwarf anything Caleb Maupin is flipping out over. The LA riots happened as a response to police brutality and that uprising was a hell of a lot more chaotic than the George Floyd protests you saw in 2020.

You mentioned abortion. Back in the early 90s there existed an anti-abortion organization called Operation Rescue. It was lead by a total nutjob named Randall Terry (he's still around today, unfortunately) who is notoriously misogynistic, antisemitic, islamophobic, and very, very queerphobic. Operation Rescue would do things like blockade abortion clinic doors and barge in on abortion procedures as they were happening. They would routinely take photos of abortion patients and abortion providers as a means of intimidating them. A short time later, all of those "peaceful" clinic blockades began morphing into Operation Rescue members gunning down abortion doctors and bombing abortion clinics. OR lead to a spinoff group called the Army of God which was behind multiple assassinations of abortion doctors.

Neo-Nazis were also a huge problem in the 90s. Nowadays, younger people think of them as pathetic 4chan trolls but 30 years ago they were actually violent. Neo-Nazi groups actually killed and terrorized Black, Jewish, and immigrant communities. You all think those disgusting A. Wyatt Man cartoons of the Happy Merchant are funny and use them to criticize Israel while back in the day those cartoons were used as calls for actual violence against Jews.

Along the same line, you had the rise of right-wing militias. Conspiracy theories were starting to become mainstream during that time. Alex Jones started creating a following which would arguably become the basis for the Ron Paul movement of the 2000s and the Trump/MAGA movement of today.

So to sum it all up, if you were scared shitless of an "American Years of Lead" starting to foment you'd have a much better case if you had said this in the 90s under the Clinton Administration.

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>>2226180
retvrn

>>2226180
>Columbine
Interesting how people forget the Columbine shooting was politically motivated and the shooters were indoctrinated by neo-Nazi and KKK chatrooms.

>>2226180
I'm only 33 but I recall people being a lot more nihilistic in the 90s. Like you had people who were super optimistic about the Y2K future and others who felt like everything was meaningless now. Maybe it's because I got into politics as a teenager through friends of the family who were old school CPUSA members and they were all devastated when the USSR fell.

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>>2226329
next usapol thread image

>>2225006
So someone took the time and money to purchase Maupin's shitty books, which are all just things he's repeated on livestreams 100s of times, and place them inside book sharing deposits? FFS

>>2224729
Killing CEO's and board members is self defence. Especially when it comes to medical insurence.

>>2225076
He seems incredibly stupid if you ask me. Couldn't even cremate his parents' bodies or bury them in the backyard to hide the evidence.

>multiple assassination attempts on trump
and every one of them by a chud. looks like we are doing the bootwork you leftists never could. kneel and admit we were right all along, and perhaps we will spare you from the camps

>>2226489
<living vicariously through others despite never having a political active moment in their own lives
Yep, it's a /pol/ack.
Go back, faggot.

>>2226489
>looks like we are doing the bootwork you leftists never could
Blumpf is a certified multipolarista anti-western anti-imperialist. Why would we want him dead when hes taking all of america down with him?

>>2226405
It takes a fuckton of energy to cremate a body, dipshit. Especially if you don’t have a professional oven like mortuaries do.

>>2226329
New agitprop sticker just dropped.

>>2226278
Meh. The worse part about being an adult in the 90s and being left wing was the fall of the Soviet Union probably black pilled a lot of leftists but that’s about it.

>>2226489
>tries to assassinate trump
>fails
>repeat 20 times
How does this help anything but make you guys look like morons

So is a Years of Lead a good thing if only Zionistsxarr targeted?

>>2224881
It's a neocties site.

>>2225047
>you didn't include marx, but instead of mentioning you could, I'll just fedjacket
>The social media sites you use are bad for security, but instead of telling you that, I'll just fedjacket
>>2224744
That said, there should be a more lightweight way to do embedded music than spotify,
This one should work, think I've seen it around:
https://www.scmplayer.net/

Also this pastebin has a bunch of resources:
https://pastebin.com/QFHDMrvS

>>2226180
>Operation Rescue
Interestingly enough, one could argue the early 90s abortion wars had the potential to trigger an “American Years of Lead”. Feminist comrades (mostly anarcha-feminists and Marxist feminists) actually countered these sick fucks through organized clinic defence. Clinic defence was highly successful, not just because it enabled women to seek abortion care but because it changed the media narrative from “Planned Parenthood vs. Operation Rescue” to “Operation Rescue vs. anarcha-feminist clinic defenders”. Whatever bullshit OR was trying to propagate never fell through because everyone was distracted by the amount of brawls their members would get into with clinic defenders.

Eventually, Clinton killed this by signing the FACE Act which was a bullshit compromise (as always). If FACE is overturned and “rescue” is brought back, you can be sure comrades will show up to hand the “rescuers” what they deserve.

>>2226180
And furthermore what's happening now pales in comparison to the extremity of the original Anni di piombo OP relates it to.

>>2227116
What I find funny is that the government should’ve never played its hand too early or so hard. They are only training more Americans to harden their hearts and become more effective at political violence by adapting to the governments new schemes. At least when the government pretends to care and pretends to be chill with Democracy they can exercise control over the propaganda much better and make people softer, instead they are training Americans to be more aggressive but not towards any outside enemy but towards itself. American imperialism is over and they know it so they are okay with the veil being removed and accelerating their imperialist plans before more and more Americans start doing violence against the state. But it’s like I said in another thread to leftists, be patient, let the USA destroy itself and we’ll rule the ashes if we have to. We won’t have to lift a single finger to make America collapse, it’s glad enough to do it on its own, I say let it.

>>2226180
the Atlanta bombing was by a rightoid anti abortion activist

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_Olympic_Park_bombing

>>2227116
I think it’s telling how people on here will say killing “Zionists” is justified but killing cops, landlords, CEOs, etc. isn’t.

Like what is it about Palestine that makes you turn into vicious animals?

>>2227457
Interesting how anti-abortion and Neo-Nazis were closely linked back then.

not usa but anyone see the attacks on prisons over France last night?

>>2227493
I saw reports but didn’t read them fully.

>>2224729
<lists of nothing burgers

>>2227585
You can’t really deny it’s been fun watching.

>>2227116
No, because all that will come from this is more state repression against Palestine activists.

Also, this fucker wasn’t one of us but a white supremacist too.

>>2227116
Jew hatred is never a good thing.

>>2227493
New storming of Bastille?

>>2227493
This website has gone to shit without news anon to give us the news.

>>2228059
Correct, and I could easily see attacks on random Jews being justified on the basis the Jews being attacked were “Zionists” even if they weren’t. Which again, will give the state even more of an excuse to target Palestine solidarity activists.

>>2226203
Really wish we had anarchist or communist school shooters. Would be badass if troubled autistic teens shot yo their schools in the name of destroying capitalism.(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2228086
brightest glow award

>>2228057
He had Che memorabilia, so most likely one of us.

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>>2228233
Source? Pennsylvania has the highest number of KKK member outside of the deep South. There's tons of insanely racist podunks scattered throughout the commonwealth. It's far more likely this was just some Nazi freak.

>>2228233
>>2228264
I'd also add that it's not unusual at all for Nazis to steal leftist imagery.

>>2228066
The complexity is that a lot of Orthodox Jews are with Trump and the fascists who follow Trump also hate Jews just as much as any minority and just like blacks in their movements are tokens as Nick Fuentes said about Jason Coonlock. The fascists are using Israel and the Jews as cover for their anti everyone plans. Those Jews are that stupid that if this “day of the rope” happens, a Krystalnacht or whatever, the Jews would cheer it on until they themselves got targeted for last. They are meddling in forces that do not understand.

>>2228344
Shocker, politics is not always clear-cut.

Trump is also surrounded by people with ties to the Israeli-far right, his son-in-law for instance.

>>2226203
Did Eric Harris' father also have CIA ties of some sort? I vaguely recall hearing that. Really makes you think.

>>2226405
I heard he lived with the dead bodies for over two weeks! That must’ve been beyond vile. Putrid soup at that point.

>>2228375
What a fucking autist.

>>2224729
close except we don't even have a semblance of a serious and organized left here

Years of lead paint.

>>2225047
Houdinifag is literally one of those "General Strike in One Week!" posters who think just making a poster with a date on it and posting it online is praxis.

Caleb Maupin keeps giving CIAuyghurs too much credit and plays their game acknowledging a bigger role they didn't have. see the triangolo della morte. Of course the CIA had a role but wording it in a way that suggests Italy would have turned into a large Switzerland if they hadn't fueled political violence is misleading. Italy is a NATO dog because we were defeated in the second world war, not because of a few bombings and kidnappings. If anything, we had a greater chance to kick out the Americans during the years of political violence than now that we're old and of most servile breed. Political violence happened because we were the equivalent of Ukraine during the cold war, right in front of the iron curtain and with a chance of flip flopping between sides. NATOsharts would have stayed there no matter what to control the Mediterranean, and if you don't understand this you are naïve. Oltretutto sei palesemente uno scitaliano anche te.

>>2224762
Revolution isn't revenge.

>>2228086
Bruh there was another school shooting, this time in FLORIDA.

>>2225006
No because Caleb needs to make money so he can pay for his cult activities.

>>2224729
Years of Lead was basically a civil war. This isn’t anything remotely close.

>>2226405
Yes, I always trust news stories from 3rd world nations delivered by middle eastern women. Especially when they concern my country.

>>2226405
He's being charged with "presidential assassination"??

LOL, what a load of bullshit. Who posted this "news"?

>>2228433
I am quite literally the opposite of that. Have you ever seen me promote one those small business allowed ass strikes? There's literally a reading on the list called "No More Fake Strikes" you mongoloid

>>2224881
fedjacketing is cringe and so is post-ironic detachment. You can literally find my full name and address if you want dude, cornballs like you HURT our movement.

>>2225047
>>TM 31-210 - US Army Improvised Munitions Handbook
Sorry would you rather dipshits make mustard gas? Should I link you the Anarchist cookbook retard?

>>2227153
Nice pastebin anon, I use SCM player on other parts of the site, like this one https://erikhoudini.com/aquarium It only works on desktop tho.

What Marx would I include in that reading list? The manifesto? If you're on that reading list you've read it already. What of his works are best suited towards the action oriented topic of said reading list? Or can we just say that Marx would be more likely to be seen on a more theory focused reading list, and not a reading list with such classics as "How to Build a First Aid Kit"

A Years of Lead would unironically be the best thing to happen to the American left in a long while.

It would force them to come to terms with the fact that capitalism will only be defeated by people with guns, bombs, and molotovs, not pink-haired autistic queers who can't even leave the house without noise-cancelling headphones and stim toys.

>>2229962
>>2229964
Indian news is more concerned with timeliness than they are with facts, unfortunately.

>>2225011
>Even more evidence that punk is a psyop play-pretend "rebellion"
It is but that kind of thing is just part of a perennial mission by Christians to make going to church seem cool because you get to hang out with a REALLY rebellious guy named JC

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>>2224729
>activism
>activism
>activism
>activism
>activism
americans will do literally anything BUT associate with proletarians

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ok but if the US is in it Years of Lead era where is our Propaganda Due? Is it the MEGA group and the Epstein crime syndicate?

>>2224762
It's not a question of whether or not the violence is "deserved" or justified but what the violence indicates when it is happening in the first place.

>>2226180

Thank you. Unfortunately,most of the hysteria is from your generation and the millennials proper.
But you're right that the political circus we have today is very tame compared to back then.

Reddit is acting like we are gonna see a second Holocaust and even using the the word "fascist" too freely for criticising anything just because Donald Trump is back in office

>>2224729
I'm much more afraid of a new Palmer Raids/McCarthyism than a Years of Lead.

Hell, it's already happening with the deportations of student activists. This is how the Palmer Raids started: anarchist anti-war and birth control activists (most of them Russian Jews) were rounded up and deported back to Russia for "subversive" activities.

>>2230508
Really? Most of the hysteria seems to be coming from zoomer kids on TikTok.

>>2230508
>>2230511
It could also be the case that Gen Xers/Xennials remember what happened in the 90s and are worried it's going to be repeated under Trump.

>>2230511
You sure? Millennials are acting like zoomers are Hitler Youth 2.0

>>2230516
Yet alot of Gen X/Xennials are sympathetic towards Trump.

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>>2230519
>You sure? Millennials are acting like zoomers are Hitler Youth 2.0
I am Millenial and I don't think that Zoomers are more right wing. I think they are more progressive and historical progression is still happening. You guys weren't raised with the same backwards norms we were like were weren't with our parents and so on.

It's the same when certain races get blamed for not falling in line behind the Democrats 100% like Indians.

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>>2230533
My bad first image.

People ITT have talked about Italy but not Jamaica, Maupin's other example. Didn't know it was such a Cold War hotbed.

>>2230533
You're one of the few who don't jump into genpol.
Also, I remember back in 2016 when Hillary was losing, the Democrats accused Millennials of being lazy basement dwellers for not voting for her in record numbers.
Then it really good bad around October and November when Hillary lost.

2024 is the same thing.
Progressive liberals talk about empathy and diversity but then crucify you if you don't vote for their officiated candidates or agree with them on all policies.

>>2230548
It is interesting how Gen-X was Trump's strongest demographic.

>>2224729
>>arson attack on Gov Shapiro's home
>>multiple assassination attempts on Trump
Does it not occur to you that both of these were done by white supremacists?

>>2230550
And yet zoomers and boomers get most of the blame.
Even before Trump, I noticed that Gen X conservatives tend to be more harsh and snarky than boomers.

Hell, the people who complained about participation trophies were the ones who grew up with them.
Participation trophies were a thing since the 1920s.

>>2225571
Everyone was expecting Luigi’s heroic act to trigger copycat attacks. Guess not.

>>2226180
This time is different. It's a cold civil war. People feel the pressure and the tension mounting up. Maybe there aren't neo-nazi groups making terror attacks. But there are entire cities and neighborhoods with people proudly displaying the edgy black US flags and thin blue line flag. These people will cooperate willingly with ICE and local police to kidnap and kill people. And abortion and immigration issues open the possibility of red states overstepping into blue states in persecuting women and "undesirables". Which is an actual civil war scenario.

>Caleb Maupin
Fucking lol. If you actually waste your time listening to this america hate = theory headass moron you should exclude yourself from participating in society for the better of everyone. He is literally just a russian asset and another half assed grifter ML.

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>>2230719
Yeah everyone knows the real theory is this.

>>2224729
Watching libs cope with liberalism collapsing is sorta bizarre to watch. Also frustrating that communists are in little fit state at the moment and will inevitably capitulate to whatever weird populist movement will spawn for it. It'd be nice to be proven wrong about this though ig.

>>2230719
My quality of life significantly dropped from reading his rationalwiki page. Thanks.

>>2230674
>And abortion and immigration issues open the possibility of red states overstepping into blue states in persecuting women and "undesirables". Which is an actual civil war scenario.
I just find it telling how culture war issues like abortion bans and transgender gender transition laws will be what triggers a new civil war in America and not economics.

>>2231351
Economics is just math. Socioeconomics is the science. And abortiuon and immigration aren't just "culture war" issues just as slavery wasn't.

>>2231397
Slavery was economics. Abortion and trans issues have nothing to do with economics.

Maupin is such a pathetic bootlicker.

>>2231441
Forgive him it's his Christian background he instinctively flinches at the sight of blood and violence.

>>2231441
That's just your average zigger. Never trust them.

>>2231441
Yet he has no issue defending violent MAGAts.

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>>2231441
The worst product of imperialism is anti-imperialism

>>2231441
The material conditions leading us here should be obvious. The elites—the capitalists and their enablers—have built an entire system predicated on the suffering of others. Their wealth, their power, their yachts and ski trips, all depend on millions of people grinding themselves into dust just to scrape by. These elites have insulated themselves for decades, convincing themselves that their suffering subjects either worship them as "job creators" or fear them as untouchable gods. But what happens when that insulation fails? What happens when those who suffer realize they have nothing left to lose?

Imagine their lives. They can’t go outside without bodyguards. They can’t vacation without paranoia. Every ski instructor, every deckhand, every waiter, every driver—they side-eye them all, wondering who might take their shot. Who might decide, in a moment of desperation, to shove a knife between their ribs? The irony is, for all their power, they’re prisoners of the fear their wealth creates. That’s the reality they live in, and it’s not as comfortable as they’d like you to think.

And still, they dare to call this system sustainable. Look at UnitedHealth’s CEO Andrew Witty, carrying on the legacy of Brian Thompson by openly declaring that “unnecessary care” must be cut for "sustainability reasons." Think about that. Your suffering is their sustainability. Your death is their profit margin. This is the system they fight tooth and nail to preserve—$1 million per member of Congress in 2024 alone, all to make sure nothing changes. That’s blood money, paid to keep the machine running smoothly.

This man who acted at 26 is a product of that machine. Back surgery at 20. Kicked off his parents’ healthcare at 26. Then the shooting. That’s what happens when the policies designed to crush millions finally meet someone who refuses to be crushed. That’s what the Logan’s Run wall represents. He wasn’t supposed to make it. The system was supposed to quietly grind him into a death of despair. Instead, he said, “No. If I’m going out, I’m going out on my terms.” That’s what they fear. That’s what they’ll do anything to suppress.

Rest: https://erikhoudini.com/#post?id=598203&title=the-state-of-things-the-actions-of-luigi-mangione-have-shifted-the-discourse

>>2231441
This is what happens when your politics could only be described as contrarian.

>>2231441
Meanwhile, he’s making close to six figures a year working as a journalist for Russian State Media and lives in one of the wealthiest parts of Brooklyn.

>>2231542
This is the guy who said socialist billionaires no contradiction so…

I’ll be more convinced of an “American Years of Lead” when anarchist and communist comrades start having full-blown stet brawls with Trump supporters.

>>2227317
Groups like PAAU are trying to bring back Operation Rescue tactics.

>>2231351
>culture war issues like abortion bans and transgender gender transition laws will trigger civil war not economics
>>2231407
>Slavery was economics. Abortion and trans issues have nothing to do with economics.
Radlib doesn't understand bourgeois social reproduction inside of the the settler country founded by cowboys who killed each other for the right to become middle class by gaining patriarchal ownership of a farmers daughter, so that the real estate title can be transferred from one capitalist to another.
Why is a slutty farmer's daughter such a DANGEROUS THREAT (!!!) to capitalism that their gender freedom must be squashed with the threat of gun violence, such that the trope still exists today even after 50 years since that musical/movie Oklahoma! (1954) was released? Because Amerikkka is still a parasitic genocidal project of raping female breeder slaves…that probably explains why Jeffrey Epstein's Zion-nazi eugenics breeding program was so popular among the PMC at Harvard and MIT
www.readsettlers.org
>>2227421
>instead they are training Americans to be more aggressive but not towards any outside enemy but towards itself
Why haven't Zionists denounced UnitedHealth?
https://www.pennlive.com/crime/2024/12/gov-shapiro-praises-mcdonalds-tipster-condemns-those-who-see-suspect-in-ceo-killing-as-hero.html

>>2231441
Broken clock, I disagree and dislike Maupin but he's correct. Individualist potlical violence does utlimately does nothing to advance the interests of the working class .

"If we oppose terrorist acts, it is only because individual revenge does not satisfy us. The account we have to settle with the capitalist system is too great to be presented to some functionary called a minister. To learn to see all the crimes against humanity, all the indignities to which the human body and spirit are subjected, as the twisted outgrowths and expressions of the existing social system, in order to direct all our energies into a collective struggle against this system—that is the direction in which the burning desire for revenge can find its highest moral satisfaction."

>>2231606
Abortion is literally not an economic issue. It’s a female supremacist issue.

Besides, there are communists who are pro-life and want to see abortion criminalized and replaced by adequate family and childcare.

>>2231763
>Abortion is literally not an economic issue. It’s a female supremacist issue.

That's a really dumb thing to say, anon.

>>2231441
I actually agree. He's not a hero cuz he didn't do it. :^)

>>2231668
>Individualist potlical violence does utlimately does nothing to advance the interests of the working class
Neither does vocally denouncing somebody who is overwhelmingly popular with proles for the sole reason that he murdered a porky. Will Luigi's actions do a lot to advance the movement of the working class? No, but if you denounce him (rather than say, criticizing individualist action while also affirming that Brian Thompson did in fact deserve it) you just seem like you're trying to dampen the natural class hatred of the masses towards the bourgeoisie. We should be celebrating Luigi while also telling people that what he did is insufficient.

>>2231763
yes,there are idiots in every "ideology",that's not news

>>2231763
>Besides, there are communists who are pro-life and want to see abortion criminalized and replaced by adequate family and childcare.

That's a quite small minority. You should fix your clock, we're in 2025, not 1920.

>>2231796
>Neither does vocally denouncing somebody who is overwhelmingly popular with proles
Is this why the McDonald's worker reported the upper-middle class murderer?

>>2231934
Yet you guys look down on antinatalism and singlehood

>>2231951
>you don't support this retarded position and yet you also don't support this other retarded position
>curious

>>2231952
How is abortion acceptable but singlehood and antinataliam isn't?

im ngl this shit aint nothing compared to the 1970s and that's why you should read Prairie Fire

>>2231948
>if you can find one bitch who call the cops on you, that means you werent popular
there will always be snitches

>>2226329
I’d post this to my IG stories but I don’t want a visit from the feds.

>>2231441
Does he honestly believe Americans will ELECT anti-imperialists to power, when the entire American way of life needs imperialism to maintain it?

>>2232148
>the entire American way of life needs imperialism to maintain it?
The average burger aren't really aware of that.

>years of lead
>strategy of tension
>domestic gladio
but is it really? for something to be extraordinary or intentional there has to be an ordinary, are you guys sure this is an eventuality and not the new long term normal?

>>2232157
Is that why anticommunism is the norm?

>>2224729
Zombeh -eh -eh -eh -oh -oh -oh

>>2232201
Thread theme

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yeah man, they aren't hiding it. they are talking about deporting "homegrowns" to gitmo equivalent

>>2230392
have you considered that it's the "pink-haired autistic queers" that are the ones arming themselves and doing the organizing?

>>2230392
personally id like to get gun ownership up before the years of lead pop off but idk
>>2232242
why are you lying

>>2232242
Lol right because the average trans person is wealthy enough to acquire a gun.

>>2232253
>>2232253
>personally id like to get gun ownership up before the years of lead pop off but idk
then get an FFL

>>2232242
Because someone so vulnerable that they can barely leave their house on their own will definitely have the ability to fight a guerrilla war against fascists in the streets. Right.

>>2232242
Those types of people are chronically online and the most "activism" they do is getting into spats with people on Twitter.

>>2232237
This in itself should be enough to trigger a wave of leftist violence in response to state violence.

>>2225571
We don't really have armed leftist groups in the US. It's not like in Greece where anarchists were bombing banks 15 years ago.

>>2232290
>anarchists were bombing banks 15 years ago
So much good that did!

>>2224729
oh but the endless school shootings where the shooter just *happened* to be in contact with the FBI, that's not domestic gladio, that's just liberal background static
buddy we've been living in the century of lead

>>2232294
You are not the target audience.

>>2232290
If this was a real Years of Lead scenario right-wingers would be afraid to congregate out of fear that their meeting places would get bombed or they'd get shot.

Just imagine if comrades were to [REDACTED] the headquarters of the Heritage Foundation.

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I charge all of you with the crime of LARP. How do you plead?

>>2232842
Your honor I plead based and redpilled

>>2231948
Faggot

>>2232168
Anticommunism is accepted because it's the status quo. You really think the average burger knows the political ramifications of their ideology? It's all unassumed ideology accepted since birth. They're indoctrinated essentially. It's not a principled stand for imperialism, though I'm sure some individuals do stand for it on principle.

>>2232845
Bangs gavel Death!

>>2232842
Guilty as shit. There's absolutely zero value in leftist internet discourse. Absolutely zero. If there's anything worth a damn in leftist politics, it will need to be done with people who touch grass, no other way about it.

>>2232201
This is an anti-IRA song BTW.

>>2231948
I would think that had more to do with the huge reward they were offering.

>>2227317
Anti-abortion fucks need to be treated like Nazis.

>>2232842
I don't roleplay outside, just on the internet

Someone tweet this thread to Maupin and ask him his opinion.

>>2232290
I’m just thankful fascists aren’t armed and organized, at least not in large enough numbers.

If they were, they’d be physically attacking leftist spaces like infoshops or doxxing comrades and attacking them in their homes.

Remember what happened to that Greek anarchist rapper 12 years ago? Martyred in cold blood by fascist scum?

>>2233436
>Fascism is mainly an academic exercise
Close enough, it's autistic larping.

>>2232842
I PLEAD GUILTY SEND ME IN

>>2233434
You forgot when LibsOfTikTok was doxxing queer activists and putting bounties on their heads?

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>>2233434
>Remember what happened to that Greek anarchist rapper 12 years ago? Martyred in cold blood by fascist scum?
Yea, then they started getting shot then lost a court case and became criminalised.

>>2233436
Neither are "academic exercises". Fascism is a specific reaction to working class organization. Socialism is the self-emancipation of the working class. Academics tend to be distorters because of their middle class positions.

>>2226180
So back in the 90s the far-right dealt with the confusion of capitalism by becoming mass shooters and terrorists? Nowadays they deal with that same confusion by embracing Latin Mass Catholicism and the "clean girl" aesthetic.

>>2232242
Trans and autistic people don't threaten anything. The right-wing simply uses them as scapegoats. It's like saying Jews in 1930s Germany were a "threat" to capitalism.

>>2231441
Caleb isn't entirely wrong here, and if anything, leftists who talk about inclusivity, social justice and humanism should be the first to reject a Years of Lead.

I thought about this just now while watching this vide on the "Clean Girl" aesthetic and why said aesthetic is fascistic in nature: the "Clean Girl" seeks purity and stability in everything. Her life is a refuge from chaos. She has to purge anything "undesirable" from her existence, identical to how fascism seeks to eradicate the disabled, racial minorities, queer people and social outsiders. It's also highly correlated with New Age wellness culture, which is entirely fascist.

The thing is, historically socialist nations were also big on "purifying" their societies. They held to a Platonist view of what society ought to be and purged anyone who didn't fit that model. The "New Socialist Man" was a fundamentally eugenicist notion. But why? Because socialist nations needed STABILITY. Caleb makes this a point several times in his books. Because the USSR and Communist China came into existence through violent revolutions, they needed to be authoritarian and purge anyone who didn't fit the mold of what a "perfect" person should be under socialism.

If you have a violent revolution, you will at some point need to stabilize society in order to build the productive forces and start doing socialism. You can't have war communism for 10 years and expect to create an egalitarian society. The fact is, during a big violent apocalypse the weak will not only be targeted by the right but eventually targeted by the left.

A peaceful, GRADUALIST revolution is the only way to ensure socialism remains inclusive.

>>2233975
>A peaceful, GRADUALIST revolution is the only way to ensure socialism remains inclusive.
That era is long over. It's either socialism or barbarism. Reformism is not only worthless but impossible.

>>2233975
Stupidest post I’ve ever seen on here.

>>2233975
Gulag. Now.

>>2233975
Why are you so stupid? Do you wake up at night realizing that you’re so stupid?

>>2233975
>everything is facist

Damn, that borderline psychotic, it's like a schizo seeing shadows people everywhere

>>2234872
Shadows everywhere you say?

>>2234875
In the mind of those people, every act that deny their own personhood is fascist, no matter how stupid and problematic the behavior is, is like a person cutting their wrist and suddenly crying that people are evil facist for point it out that her act is dangerous to herself, but no, the nutjob neurotic will deny anything outside of itself because everything that deny the self is a tyranny facist, many people on the left think like that, a typical neurotic to mentally ill thinking process mixed with egocentricism, they aren't interested on the plight of the worker, no they are interested on themselves and their egos.

>>2233975
>peaceful, gradual revolution
uigga there's fucking wildfires in the arctic circle it's communism now or never

>>2234886
Real socialism will only come after total societal capitalistic collapse, only then survivors will be free to implement something different

>>2234886
Look at their original argument: violent Revolution begets “cleansing” society of “undesirables” to maintain stability after said revolution is implemented. Gradual revolution is much more inclusive of marginalized and vulnerable populations since it avoids this.

>>2234899
Let me ask you something, why are you telling us this? About gradual vs violent revolution? You're not an important intellectual part of a big debate of a movement, you are also not part of any important political party that are at the precipice of a revolutionary moment or creating alternatives of power. So why tell us this because it won't be up to you or me whether a revolution is violent or gradual, chances are you or I won't live to see a revolution so this discussion on here will mean nothing in the grand scheme of things. One thing I can tell you is this, a violent revolution is 100 percent coming, it may not come for another 30 or 40 or 50 years but it's coming, things are only gonna get worse what with climate change and dwindling natural resources. Violence is what's going to happen and for a good while, many people will die marginalized or otherwise and I don't care because I won't live through it or live to see it. After this long period of violence as things die down then I can see the gradual social revolution take place and only them will there be the peace we all would love to experience. Or not the powers of the world could nuke the entire planet just to not share out of a sense of jealousy.

>>2233975
>"kale salads and burt's beeswax are fascist"

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>>2224729
retard we've been there for awhile


>>2230537
Jesus fucking Christ, how I wish gangs in the US were politically-affiliated. Imagine if the Bloods were communists and fought for communism. I mean, their colour is already red.

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>>2232842
>I charge all of you with the crime of LARP. How do you plead?

>>2235245
Gangs are CIA-funded for the purpose of preventing communist consciousness among Black youth.

>>2233434
This is actually the case in places like Greece, Hungary, and southern France.

>>2232242
No. They’re actually the ones demanding everyone fight their battles for them because they’re too weak to fight anything themselves.

>>2231441
Maupin is now claiming the glorification of Luigi is “Malthusian”.

This man is a walking parody.

>>2237891
Luigi is Malthusian but not the company that kills people by denying claims. Right right, Maupin is truly one of the theorists of all time.

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Poggers

>>2237891
He literally thinks modern art and hip hop are “Malthusian”.

>>2237891
I hate his teeth. He needs braces.

>>2231441
Caleb should debate Peter Gelderloos on the subject of violence.

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Says it feels good. He flushed.

>>2238223
Least awful thing Trump has ever said.

>>2224729
Maupin is really big in the Chicken Little shit.

>>2224729
>>2230537
I love how Maupin acts like it was only the Shower Posse/JLP that was killing people, as if the PNP didn’t also have goons and shooters. Not saying the PNP was bad, but still. Nothing wrong with leftists using violence to kill imperialists and their lackeys.

>>2225006
Looks like they got rid of the Maupin books you left, comrade.

>>2224762
/thread

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>>2239030
He claims Bob Marley was being funded by the CIA despite the fact the CIA were the ones who attempted to assassinate him.


>>2242059
These collections of freaks are the brownshirts of tomorow.
It's a good job USA is so large and sparse, the only thing saving you lot is that these freaks are so far apart and they don't have anyone smart enough to instrumentalise them properly.

>>2227116
>rich politician is a victim of racism
>>>/idpol/


>Oh No we are leaving in the hecking [insert some historical periods for analogy that truly isn't right] time!!!!!!!

>>2241721
Maupin believes every even that's happened in the past 75 years was a CIA manipulation.

>>2231491
>you know what the worst product of imperialism is? No not genocide and looting of entire nations… but anti imperialism.
congrats on coming up with an even worse take than maupin's

>>2234886
>wildfires in the arctic circle
i've seen self described marxist leninists on here not give a fuck about climate change and explicitly say that communism will expand the productive forces and exploit the fuck out of nature and animals and to think otherwise is liberal and environmentalism is fascist and incompatible with communism which is productivist. My sibling in science, we are not getting Climate Stalinism. It is beyond over. Even if we make it off this planet through "expanding the productive forces" the universe is racing away from us .

>>2242793
>”Clinate Stalinism”
That term gave me cancer, AIDS, and covid all at once.

>>2224744
What in the glowie shit is thus?


>>2244344
what in the fedjacketing is this?

>>2243583
stalinism-nurgleism

>>2244344
Houdini is a known good guy and has been here for atleast a year to my knowledge.

>>2237891
Luigi killed a mass-murderer. He’s the opposite of Malthusian.

>>2231463
>Forgive him it's his Christian background he instinctively flinches at the sight of blood and violence.
That's exactly why he should not be forgiven, not because adventurism does shit or is "good", but because Maupin is a fucking religger and ALL RELIGGERS MUST BE KILLED.

>>2244498
Self-replying merchant faggot or a mod endorsing this punk ass bullsht.

>>2244498
>oudini is a known good guy and has been here for atleast a year to my knowledge.
And you conveniently miss out when he had a meltdown and started sperging out at everyone over not buying his shitty shirts he advertised on every fucking thread, saying he will close down the site and not come back. And yet he's back, just stopped shilling his shitty merch and instead promoting shitty leaflets, probably still with the idea of making an "anarchist political party like a vanguard".

>>2244719
Whomst amongst us hasn't sperged out or melted down at one point or another

>>2227317
Pro-lifers deserve to be shot on sight.

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>>2226180
>you young fuckersss don't know shit
>my generation aping on eachother because of lead poisoning was wayyy more significant than today
>don't you understand that a bunch of proles butchering eachother because of trauma and unironic chronic poisoning is way more politically significant than the formation of mass class-consciousness from poverty and subsequent overt class warfare
the fuck is with your generation and this attention seeking behaviour

>>2244498
>he's such a great guy
Meanwhile, every single post from him is an advertisement begging for money and his actual contribution to threads is below even glownomous standards. Maybe half of a sentence of "damn…" followed by "BUY MY SHIT"

YEARS OF LEAD
YEARS OF LEAD

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>>2248788
>>2248798
>weathermen
Cringe.

>>2245975
Their generation consists of histrionic losers who have a delusional importance complex and nothing more. Case & point, the anarkiddie really felt it necessary to namefag themselves and introduce themselves in some redd*toid fashion, "UHM HECKIN' HEY GUYS, <INSERT IDENTITY SIGNIFIER> HERE, AND LET ME JUST TELL YOU…" No, fuck off–your voice counts for nothing and least of all it does it command any kind of essence other than that of the insufferably self-absorbed. It's so myopic–virtually indistinguishable from listening to some old lady rant to me at the grocery stall.
Like, these subhumans really want to pretend they can stand on any kind of leg for advocacy when all they do is play division over the most petty and artificial bullshit, as if they have to one-up their sense of importance relative to everyone else's, just utterly pathological, zero self-awareness behavior akin to what you see out of Israeli society.

>>2226489
Brother you probably get social anxiety picking up a phone to order a pizza, lmfao. Go LARP somewhere else, you'll always be irrelevant.

>>2245975
lead poisoning affected older boomers and silent gen not younger gen x

>>2249204
>microplastics can breach blood brain barrier
<what about lead

>>2248788
>>2248798
>>2249182
Weren't they exposed as feds?

>>2249382
nah they were just very ineffective

>>2249399
And why were they ineffective?

>>2249504
no wider revolutionary movement surrounding them, no media backing, no clout, no broad base of spectators, too early? too late? too culty? probably the last one, but the feds have done a lot to make the group seem worse than it was

they got many things right and their manifesto has aged very well imo

>>2229972

I'm not the original critic about this but i do have some thoughts on the manual

The army manual has some useful information about diy plastic explosives but it also has some old and useless info, such as utilizing carbon tet (not widely available anymore, super cancerous, etc) from fire extinguishers.

almost all of the time delay contraptions are also outdated, and a more modern approach would utilize radio/cellular detonator tutorials.

The whole section about grenades isn't super useful because the avg guerilla doesn't have grenades but I'm sure it's not impossible to manufacture something similar.

>>2249777
Ultimately I think to even get proficient with diy explosives you'd have to have a decent amount of money up front to get equipment and precursors, then also have ample land to practice smaller scale experiments on. I'm not saying anyone in particular is guilty of this, but it seems far more prudent to meet your neighbors than it does to invest in equipment to safely concentrate sulfuric acid. it is interesting to think about though

Caleb is a pussy

>>2227116
This will do nothing but make them stronger.

>>2249777
>I'm not the original critic about this but i do have some thoughts on the manual
To clarify, I seethed at Houdini because his reading list has bomb making instructions but didn't teach proper opsec. Even though his reading lists content has stuff that will get the reader on a watchlist, he did not bother talking about stuff like proper digital OPSEC so that leftists can learn how to use technologies like tor to research things that may be illegal in their country. An example of a organization that has proper OPSEC is MIM (Prisons).

http://almhvxlkr4wwj7ah564vd4rwqk7bfcjiupyf7rs6ppcg5d7bgavbscad.onion/

I uploaded their onion link because they warned that the FBI tracks its visitors so I want to encourage going on it through Tor.

Caleb Maupin is an absolute retard and his "muh non-violent gradualism" approach doesn't cut it anymore.

Yes, his white ass in his Bay Ridge apartment with his $70k a year job working for RT thinks violent revolution would be a bad thing because it would shake the existing system from its foundations. Yet, the system itself largely sustains itself on violence and repression. Talk to comrades of colour (specifically, Black and Hispanic comrades, and comrades who migrated to the West from the colonized/third world) and you'll see how their views of political violence are a lot more nuanced. They face more violence from the existing system in a week than Maupin will ever face in his lifetime.

I'd also add to this and say one of the biggest reasons why American (or Anglo in general) libshits call themselves "anarchists" or "Marxists" is because they don't really have a place they can go. The Democrats are a centre-right party (as are the Liberals in Canada) so anyone whose politics are left of the Dems starts seeing themselves as "radical". You saw this a lot in the early-mid 2010s (post-Occupy) with the explosion of pseudo-academic social justice idpol on sites like Tumblr. Simply acknowledging that capitalism and oppressive hierarchies are bad was enough to make you a "Marxist" or "anarchist". Then after Trump was elected the first time you saw more liberals claim the far-left because they knew the Democrats couldn't stop the right. It's not surprising most of these people aren't committed to what a far-left revolution would entail and simply want the "soft" parts of anarchism like mutual aid and community care, hence the fixation on gradualism.

The sad part is, revolution vs. reform is not a preference. Revolution is a necessity and it will absolutely have elements of violence. That doesn't mean we run around killing people willy-nilly obviously, but when the enemy attacks we will have to attack 10x as hard.

>>2251627
Caleb is a born-again Christian, that’s why.


>>2225114
Correct, more violence from police.

>>2224866
>>2225114
>>2254412
It foments a culture of violence. Anti-abortion activists becoming more proactive will provoke pro-abortion leftists (namely anarchists) to respond with violence.

>>2251627
This TBH.

If the USA had something like a “Progressive Social Justice Party” that was pretty much strong social democracy + Tumblr social justice all of those pink-haired grad students would flock to it and leave anarchist and Marxist spaces alone.

>>2255327
isn't that basically the DSA?

>>2255424
DSA is too full of brocialist dudebros.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>2255709
peak burgerpunk

>>2255709
I need the video game

>>2255709
Maupin BTFO

>>2255731
Maupin hates Luigi but will support Shiloh Hendrix. Really shows his principles.

>>2256290
hes jealous because lugi is hot

Won’t happen.

>>2262655
Correct.

American are way too chickenshit to do anything serious. The US may be going through crisis but it's not anything close to even something like Greece in 2008.

Just go on /r/anarchism if you want an example of the attitudes your average American leftists have towards the current political environment. The people on there are so moralistic that their only "solution" to the turmoil is finding a mutual aid group and asking people to donate to people's GFMs, basically a "we'll get through this and wait this out".

>>2255709
Ooooooo I want to see.

>>2224729
We've been in the Years of Lead since White Aryan Resistance started doing terrorism, only recently has the left regained enough will to be somewhat militant in response

>>2271909
Yeah the Gen Xer in this thread said that too. The political violence in the 90s was way worse than what we're seeing now.

Holy shit it’s happening for real this time.

https://cnn.com/cnn/2025/05/17/us/palm-springs-california-explosion

>>2272923
Had to have been an anti-abortion extremist. They view embryos as full and equal people so it makes sense they'd target an IVF clinic.

>>2272923
>>2273214
>mfw it was an anti-natalist


>>2276319
A stunt. Won't happen. Trump isn't pro-life and he doesn't give two shits about overturning FACE.

>>2228462
All of this, and I'd add that the Italian Communist Party was a sellout party by the start of the 1960s. Even right after WWII ended they told Italian communists to put down their guns, yet there were plenty of former Partisans who had been willing to die fighting fascism who didn't want to give their guns up and stuck to the revolutionary mentality. By the time the 60s rolled around, Italian society was heavily destabilizing with all the workers' strikes and whatnot. Wouldn't have mattered if the CIA was involved or not, Italy would have blown up due to all the social and political turmoil.

>>2277022
Can any Italian comrades confirm this?


>>2278298
>dead zios
And nothing of value was lost.

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK

>>2226180
well, the GF protests in 2020 were very interesting to see. a hiatus in a 20 years long tense calm of many nothingburgers; where even the WH turn off the lights to scare off people from the perimeter, and probably snatched some protestors in the process, too.
but yeah, nothing is amounting to something back in time.


>>2278298
>>2278348
>>2278533
Let's see if Maupin's predictions come true.

>>2278533
Stop posting screenshots instead of the actual thing you megaretard.
>>2278348
Manifesto and video of the shooter in >>2278567 >>2278563


>>2278613
My thoughts to but apparently he was a member of the Party for Socialism and Liberation why anons have said are cringe. So…. half-based half-cringe?

>>2278615
How do you know he was PSL?

>>2228500
Yes it is?

>>2278615
>>2278628
I don't see what's cringe about PSL. Also it wasn't confirmed that he was a member, be was just photographed at some of their events.

>>2278615
https://xcancel.com/pslnational/status/1925468146024034305#m
>>2278752
It's not if you believe it is, then you're a reactionary.

>>2278752
No. Retard.
You will grow up to be a rightist. If you have any politics past internet posting that is.

>>2278776
>I don't see what's cringe about PSL.
old drama from the early/mod 2010s that isn't relivent now
>>2278348
Israel shoots diplomats and bombs embassies all the time, its about time they get a taste of their own medicine, I have no sympathy for them

>>2278776
Might be a bit out of the loop here, but from what I remember, most of the hate for the PSL stems from the accusations of them having a cult-like structure and from some chapters holding cover for sex pests in the organization.

>>2278615
PSL finally doing something useful for once.

>>2278776
He had “loose affiliations” with PSL, whatever that means.

CUCK PARTY USA DENOUNCES ELIAS

>>2279292
CPUSA have been glorified Democrats since the mid 1930s, yes.

>>2279147
PSL has denounced the shooting.

Based!

>>2279292
have these guys ever read a single thing about apartheid was abolished?

I get that they can't go full 'fuck yeah' but they can at least put forward a slightly less pathetic statement like "these actions are regrettable but reflect the violence committed overseas" or whatever

>>2280607
It’s CPUSA. What did you expect?

>>2280598
As much as I agree with their message, UoF is completely unhinged abd their org is a fed magnet.

The DC shooting is a nothingburger.

It will do nothing to change US policy and Elias won’t be turned into the hero Luigi is.

>>2281025
Lets be real its probably run by feds.

>>2281365
I’m not going to fedjacket, but every time a group is so openly pro-Hamas and doesn’t face legal crackdowns I get suspicious.

>>2281345
The fact that the media is ebing very quiet is a sign that it was organic and not a false flag, I think you will start seeing more of these attacks in the future. Assassinations come in waves, after JFK you saw a lot of assassinations in the 60s and 70s. Israel brought this type of attack back with the killing of Ismail Hanania. These things are here to stay. Especially with Trump making America's academic class unemployed.

>>2281437
Also Im a country with no social safety nets and guns everywhere there's a lot less to loose for some and the barrier to entry is extremely low.

>>2255709
>Shame the guy got executed, though.
<Shame? We are making so much money since he died.
<He's ten times better merch dead than alive!

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>>2280598
Apparently this is the man who has been backing them. What a fucking chad, this guy

https://www.influencewatch.org/person/james-fergie-chambers/

>>2281480
>What a fucking chad
<changed name
<cut ties with Palestine action
<abandoned direct action against elbit
>exclusively edgyposts on twitter
Nah. Fed.

Why has Maupin been dead silent about Elias?

>>2281508
He’s a coward and wants to keep making money off his “the deep state is fomenting a YEARS OF LEAD” narrative, identical to OP.

>>2281437
Yeah Elias isn’t being deified the way Luigi was.

>>2281880
https://www.instagram.com/p/DGgHAXVRVke/
His party celebrated self-immolation on main but threw him under the bus and squandered the opportunity to explain why this wouldnt happen if zionists didnt occupy the covernment

>mfw even Bob Avakian cult is denouncing Elias

>>2279292
>>2279381
>>2282008
Are you surprised? All of these groups are trying to portray themselves as legitimate political parties and don't want to get hit with Smith Act-like charges.

Comrades…

>>2281880
because most people see the difference between two embassy workers and a CEO.

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>>2281384
>but every time a group is so openly pro-Hamas and doesn’t face legal crackdowns I get suspicious.


For me it's when western leftists keep going on about how they think all israelis are equally complicit and deserve punishment.

It's the kind of narrative that ends up heavily implying this is what Hamas believe, but I've not seen any evidence of this.

So by claiming to be decolonial, they are infact perpetuating orientalist depictions of non-white rebels being bloodthirsty, etc


https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-faults-happened-7-october-first-report-since-war

>>2282110
WWP released a statement supporting the shooting.

>>2283920
I’d also add that Americans fed up with their country’s bullshit healthcare system saw themselves in Luigi, whereas Elias is seen as a dumb tankie who just wanted to play martyr.

>>2281880
Nobody cares about geopolitiks

>>2281880
It’s not comparable. Luigi specifically targeted Brian Thompson. Elias went to a Jewish museum looking to kill people on the basis they were Zionists, he didn’t know the people he killed worked for the Israeli embassy.

>>2284384
>he just happened to shoot zionist agents
Fake news. You are zionist.

>>2284310
AmeriKKKans must die for their imperialist ways. Zionism is worse than insurance which is why ameriKKKan support it more.

>>2284388
No. He didn’t care who he killed, he just saw “event at Jewish museum” and went in there to kill anyone. He had no idea the people he killed worked for the Israeli government until after the fact.

>>2281384
I want to know why Jackson Hinkle and Haz can visit Donbas, Lebanon, and Yemen without being interrogated by the FBI. They’re free as birds while student activists are being mass arrested just for saying shit during protests.

>>2284527
Because they’re too high profile to easily arrest without massive public outcry. Far easier for the feds to fund approved leftist anti communists like Hassan or BE

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>>2284400
>No. He didn’t care who he killed, he just saw “event at Jewish museum” and went in there to kill anyone. He had no idea the people he killed worked for the Israeli government until after the fact.
So just by random chance he found two Israeli employees in DC? Is America really that ZOGed?

Why did the loser stop at 2 is what I want to know? He by accounts made sure to finish them off, then he just chilled out waiting until he was arrested. Did he run out of bullets? I wish he shot the bitch that organized the event after hearing her interviewed. She even said he talked to him before she realized he was the shooter.

>>2225047
Only good post in the thread. Anyone promoting adventurism and directing people towards compromised apps is a glowie or such a fucking edgy retard that they might as well be a glowie.

>>2284545
Nobody who's not permanently on twitter knows what ACP is. The FBI could murder Haz and his entire family and only internet retards would notice. They are open Larouchites and Larouchites have always worked with the feds. You put it together.

>>2284400
So he just walked into a jewish museum and started shooting randomly??? How antisemetic. What are the chances he kills two zioniat agents???

>>2284632
from what i've seen a lot of the party wouldn't notice the difference either

>>2284400
in your mind it was real

just to put into perspective how absurd this position is: imagine if someone randomly fired at a group of white people at the george washington museum of whatever and the two people hit were white nationalists
that would be statistically impossible unless, you know, 90% of whites were white nationalists, which isn't the case but is the case for another group…

>>2284658
and not just white nationalists, but also staff members of the Crackerland embassy

>>2284658
it's statistically possible, but incredibly unlikely (unless you live in a region where there happens to be a fair bit of white nationalists)

>>2224729
I disagree due to a matter of degree, not of kind. The Italian years of lead were far more intense than America's current troubles, (as were the Irish Troubles etc).

>>2284782
america's current troubles is pretty much nothing compared to america from about 1955-1995 or so, it's not even a fair comparison

>>2284782
>>2284793
speaking of italians and irish, im reminded they used to get publicly beaten up a century ago in amerikkka lol. shit is dire today but things were so much worse before

>>2284796
compared to 1968 USA? yeah it's nothing, assassinations were more common, what would be called terror attacks today were absurdly common, etc, you were far more at risk to get blown up, to say now is a years of lead is odd given that the actual american years of lead ended 35 years ago, possibly even earlier if you count it back a bit

>>2284632
This is exactly my view.

I remember when Haz first started and he was a typical ML. Then he got lectured by some Hegelians and next thing you know he's a Duginist and LaRouchie.

>>2284658
Are you honestly suggesting 90% of Jews deserve to be killed for being "Zionists"?

>>2284823
The Man Who Couldn't Read

>>2284825
That's what his post implied.

>>2284828
no, it implies that it's odd that most jews in the US happen to basically believe in white nationalism, for it to be random chance to shoot people and just happen to hit 2 prominent white nationalists would be odd under other circumstances

>>2284832
It implies that shooting random Jews would be justified on the basis that they're almost guaranteed to be Zionists.

By his logic, shooting up a random synagogue would be justified on the basis of Palestinian liberation.

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>>2284859
>By his logic, shooting up a random synagogue would be justified on the basis of Palestinian liberation.
What if you shot up a synagogue when they were having those real estate sales where they sell land they stole from Palestinians for settlements?

>>2284859
if for example, you went to a south african embassy and foreign cultural center in britain or any other country where they had such things, and shot two random people there, the likelyhood that they happened to not just be white nationalists, but ones that actively spread its propaganda, would be higher than normal, would it not be unreasonable to say that while the motive is less than ideal, but that the chances of that happening anywhere else is absurdly low?

>>2284864
because the conclusion you are creating has rarely anything to do with the fundamental reality, most jewish zionists in the USA are not valid targets, but if he went there, shot two random people, and the people he happened to shoot were pretty much the ideal targets, by random chance alone, would not be unusual?

>>2284863
I still wouldn't be comfortable shooting up a place of worship. It's exactly why the IOF shooting up mosques is despicable.

>>2284864
I'm not a fan of shooting up random people thinking my bullets will be guaranteed to hit "the right target".

>>2284866
I guess I'll wait for the information to be revealed before trial before I start speculating on Rodriguez's motives but still.

>>2284888
well i am not advocating for such a thing, i think it is a dubious practice at best, but the fact he happened to hit basically what amounts to the ideal targets for such a thing by pure chance would be extremely unusual under most other similar cases

>>2284893
More evidence this is a false flag.

>>2284903
heavily doubt it, but it is a possibility

>>2284658
Sandiretard

>>2224744
>48 laws of power
honestly makes the entire list look shitty

I'll believe we're in an "American Years of Lead" when train stations start getting bombed.

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>>2284995
They should just bomb one of our crumbling bridges. This is what the support beams look like.

>>2284995
we were, 40 years ago

>>2284998
Shits been fixed for a while. It was a metra route so the city cant like touch certain bridges or something.

>>2284995
Huh? But if the American deep state was organizing bombings of Italian train stations and etc who tf is going to back and organize it in the USA?

>>2285005
It's just the first example that came up in image search. I actually had a different one in mind. There are support beams like that all over the country. There is a website where you can look up which bridge is most likely to collapse next.

>>2224744
>>2229972


I appreciate this Houdini. Its thankless work this. People will fedjacket you but it doesn't matter even if you were. If people are taking these books and reading even a few of them, comrades anywhere are better off. As a fed op its certainly not doing them any favours.

But you probably aren't and it doesnt matter anyway. They don't have prisons enough for us all and theres no future for us unless we are victorious.
Keep doing the work, people will post on here that you are a fed or a liberal or a this or a that but likely they only do so to assuage their guilt at not doing anything.
By telling others their efforts dont do anything they can bring you down to their level.

fuck it ball anyway

>>2250643
brother the feds literally run TOR

Yeah Elias is cooked. Jury nullification won’t work here.

>>2285842
I hope his lawyers bring up the Gaza genocide. Then again, he’ll probably take a plea deal.

>>2228462
I remember talking to a guy from Italy a few years ago. He was one of those economically leftist but socially conservative types. He said modern Italy is a gerontocracy on steroids, like the whole country is run by a bunch of 70-something grandmothers and grandfathers, like even worse than America is. He said the reason for this is largely because most Italians are politically apathetic due to the after effects of the Years of Lead violence. The YoL created a culture of political apathy in Italy because people were afraid of being killed or shot at if they got involved in politics. Those attitudes continue to this day.

I mean, last decade multiple European countries saw waves of mass protests. You saw them in Greece, Spain, France, Bulgaria, Serbia, and elsewhere. But the one place you didn’t see any mass protesting was Italy. Mostly because, again, the general Italian population has become incredibly apathetic about politics due to the years of lead. Most Italians would rather sit back, enjoy pasta, and sip wine while watching the sunset from their balconies than get politically active.

>>2224744
> 48 rules of power
i read rules of seduction by the same author because a coworker kept pestering me about it, not only is the whole book airport-tier pabulum, the guy is some quasi-fascist who kept bringing up d'annunzio over and over

>>2286174
> he’ll probably take a plea deal.
Plea for what? DC doesn't have a death penalty and they're obviously going to give him life without parole. But I don't think he has any intention of denying the killing.

>>2286271
>>2284989
>i read rules of seduction by the same author because a coworker kept pestering me about it, not only is the whole book airport-tier pabulum, the guy is some quasi-fascist who kept bringing up d'annunzio over and over
Both books are mostly just excerpts from interesting books put into the format of a Buzzfeed article. I think they're not bad as a jumping off point to read other books. I got interested in reading some other books those books.

>>2286219
>I mean, last decade multiple European countries saw waves of mass protests. You saw them in Greece, Spain, France, Bulgaria, Serbia, and elsewhere. But the one place you didn’t see any mass protesting was Italy. Mostly because, again, the general Italian population has become incredibly apathetic about politics due to the years of lead.

False.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sardines_movement

>>2286275
Plea deal means he does less time. If he takes the plea he could be out in like 20 years.

>>2286319
>Plea deal means he does less time. If he takes the plea he could be out in like 20 years.
It depends on what the crime is. They aren't going to plea this down from life without parole. That's as low as they'll go. The /pol/face shooter only plead down from death penalty to life without parole.

>>2286319
Yeah no way this is gonna end in a plea deal. They want to make an example out of this dude.

He's completely fucked and is gonna spend the rest of his life in prison. Or get executed in a few years if the charges leveled against him are federal ones.

>>2286333
>implying he's not going to be sent off to some rape dungeon black site

>>2285842
https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/read-elias-rodriguezs-leaked-chats

Apparently, he's a typical tankie who hates neurodivergent people.

>>2286333
>if the charges leveled against him are federal ones.

High chance of it because he crossed state lines like Luigi.

>>2226329
This slaps NGL

>>2286343
>tfw he wasn't a leftypoler

>>2286174
Showing the jury Yaron's tweets would help too. He was a total ghoul.

>>2286405
"He deserved it because his tweets sucked" isn't going to sway a jury.

>>2282174
https://ritchietorres.house.gov/congressman-ritchie-torres-writes-to-executives-at-twitch-and-amazon-hasan-piker-is-dangerous

US Congress is now formally asking Jeff Bezos to permanently ban Hasan Piker from speaking on the Twitch video game streaming platform, whilst accusing him of being antisemitic, a Chinese agent, anti-American, and comparing him to the Ku Klux Klan.

But yeah I guess the violence in DC paid off.

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>>2286343
>Zigger kills irrelevant people for muh geopolitiks
Long Live Luigi

>>2286504
I couldn't care less that two Zios are dead, but let's be real: Elias isn't Luigi and what Elias did isn't heroic. Elias was a stupid tankie.

>>2286508
You've had your fun, you have to go back wherever you came from now.

>>2286469
>Mr. Piker revealed the depth of his depravity when he posted an image of himself as a reincarnation of Vladimir Lenin, one of the fathers of totalitarian terror in the 20th century. Lenin is estimated to have caused the deaths of 7 to 10 million people; his successor, Stalin, the deaths of 20 to 30 million people; his follower, Mao Zedong, the deaths of 40 to 70 million people in Communist China. With idols like Lenin, it is no wonder why Hasan Piker seems so untroubled by the mass killings of October 7th.

>>2286469
This is good because Hasan being silenced will radicalize his fanbase and then we can finally get a paramilitary going.

>>2286556
Hasan is the farthest thing in the world from "radical". Even trying to call yourself radical is the dumbest shit ever and shows you don't actually read theory.

>>2286616
"To be radical is to grasp the root of the matter."
- Karl Marx

>>2286620
Quote mining Marx is so stupid honestly, and I even found where he says that and he was referring to his theory being radical because it called for the abolition of religion. It has nothing to do with being so called "radical" in the sense that you are framing things. There is nothing "radical" about Marxism anymore, the guy lived 200 years ago. Marxism is a science, it's not some dumb little book club thing and you are not a special person for reading his works.

>>2286647
"Precisely for this reason the victory of the October Revolution signifies a RADICAL turn in economics and politics, in the manner of life, customs, habits and traditions, in the culture and in the whole spiritual complexion of the exploited masses throughout the world."
- Stalin

>>2286653
Do you not understand what the word radical means? I feel like I need to pull out a dictionary because this is pretty embarrassing. You are not a rebel, you are not special, this is not a club for people like that.
https://webstersdictionary1828.com/Dictionary/RADICAL

>>2286657
"One must strive to be as radical as tony hawk doing a sick 360 kickflip"
- Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

i've been quotemining usage of radical and it strikes me that at least both marx and lenin have similar conceptions of it, obviously toying with the idea of radical as a perceived extremist ideological position, but also as a true, "untarred" understanding, indeed a root of sorts. "we must strive to be as radical as reality itself" and "to be radical is to grasp the root of the matter" are spiritually similar, but also it's pretty funny to argue semantics in this way, since 'hasan radicalizing his audience' doesnt even begin to imply that hasan is a radical

>>2286818
>>2286828
Glow harder Agent Kochinskiite left com retard

>>2286532
How will this shooting further the Palestinian struggle?

>>2286967
>How will this shooting further the Palestinian struggle?
The Zionist press will pretend to be totally butthurt and wounded. Then we will selectively choose to believe that and continue doing the things that have proven completely useless at dissuading or stopping a livestreamed genocide. Because you see, by losing we become virtuous and therefore win.

>>2286975
That pretty much sums up nearly all Palestine activism, sadly. The only effective tactic has been blockading weapons shipments.

I want all Zios to hang like Leo Frank.

Fuck these genocidal fuckers.

No mercy.

>>2286405
It would be useful but those tweets won’t be admissible in court.

>>2287354
>that image
Lost it.

>>2285842
They were both “Israeli” citizens.

Anyone with “Israeli” citizenship is a legitimate target.

>>2288490
*soldier, israel recruits anyone that is 18 to the millitary and if they deny they go to jail, if you kill a israeli you are probably killing possible combatants, it's only a crime if you gun down a israeli jail.

>>2288493
Even the ones who weren’t soldiers aren’t innocent. They all participate in the genocidal settler colonial project.

>>2288506
The Alchemist has Israeli citizenship.

Does he deserve to die? He makes some of the greatest music of our era.

>>2288511
>”Israeli” salad
Disgusting Zio filth

>>2288493
Not all Israelis were in the IDF.

>>2288511
if he didn't get banned like finklestein then there is a problem.

>>2288851
He performed in Israel a few months before October 7th actually.


>>2288876
>>2288877
nothing else can be added, they are valid targets as well.

>>2288881
you are insane

>>2288886
no, if it's valid for israelites to target palestinians for flimsy links to hamas such as being on the same mile as them, israelites deserves the same.
but i don't understand you uyghas, bomber harris get memed but the same thing against the same type of people happens today and i'm insane, please, i'm just not making excuses for genocidal maniacs.

>>2288887
i refuse to entertain the logic in its entirety, you do not simply concede that all people linked to a state are necessarily all combatants, to entertain it for israelis is to endorse it being done to shias in lebanon, palestinians in gaza and kurds in turkiye

>>2288881
So one we of the greatest musicians of our day deserves to be killed because he’s functionally no different from an IDF soldier? Fuck you.

>>2288511
sloppa

>>2288892
There's a lot of sentiment that Israelis as a whole are irredeemable. If you show support for Israel you are complicit in genocide.

>>2288511
>za'atar smoke
As a Lebanese, this infuriates me.

>>2288511
>>2288851
>>2288876
>>2288877
>>2288881
If you ask him if he's a Zionist or his opinions on Palestine in his IG comments he blocks you.

t. happened to me

>>2227459
the genocide you idiot

>>2227459
>I think it’s telling how people on here will say killing “Zionists” is justified but killing cops, landlords, CEOs, etc. isn’t.
schizophrenic zio makes up shit to be mad about, many such cases

>>2285842
fucking based

>>2288892
sure I don't see why not

>>2286343
one of us one of us

>>2286343
he is literally king lear but if king lear had the balls to do something besides being cringe on the interwebz

>>2288892
There are no innocent Zios

>>2224729
OP you have no idea how fucking cringe you are. This is a country where mass shootings are normal. This ain't the years of lead, its just baseline burger psychosis.

retard take

>>2289398
Mass shootings happen all the time in America. It’s just now that they’re becoming politically-motivated.


>>2288877
Performing in a genocidal colonial entity is enough to make you a legitimate target.


>>2227459
>Like what is it about Palestine that makes you turn into vicious animals?
"No Jews no news"

>>2288511
The Alchemist and Thom Yorke = Zionist filth

https://newpol.org/the-israel-embassy-killings-wrong-in-every-way/

The Israel Embassy Killings: Wrong in Every Way

>In the face of the ongoing genocide unfolding before our eyes in Gaza, with Human Rights Watch warning “Latest Israeli Plan Inches Closer to Extermination,” it is not surprising that people with decent instincts would feel desperate to do something to stop the carnage. But the path chosen by Elias Rodriguez, who shot and killed two staff members of the Israeli embassy in Washington DC, was not the solution. On the contrary, it was a tragedy and wrong on multiple levels.


>Most people are not absolute pacifists, but believe that there are times where violence is morally justified. But the moral bar for using violence is a high one, and violence must be focused on those who bear particular responsibility for harm. That’s why international humanitarian law makes a crucial distinction between combatants and noncombatants—a distinction that has been violated by Israel on a vast scale. Low-level embassy employees are not combatants nor are they policymakers. Killing them was morally wrong. That they worked for the foreign ministry of a state engaged in mass crimes was condemnable, but not a capital offense.


>Moreover, to be just, violence must offer the best chance of stopping the harm. Yet there is no chance at all that the deaths of the staffers will cause Israel or its American enablers to reverse course. On the contrary, the incident is already being used to justify further repression of the pro-Palestine movement.


>From the reports of the shooting, one wonders whether Rodriguez even knew for certain that his victims worked for the embassy. The crowd leaving the event at the Capital Jewish Museum included diplomats, young Jewish professionals, and keynote speakers from two aid organizations, one of which suffered the loss of three volunteers in Gaza, killed, in the organization’s words, “when their residence was attacked by Israeli forces without any warning.”


>Israeli prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu declared that the “terrorist who cruelly gunned [the pair] down did so for one reason and one reason alone—he wanted to kill Jews.” This is preposterous. Nothing in Rodriguez’s “Explication“ or his social media history that has been extensively pored through shows that he held any animus toward Jews qua Jews rather than towards the Israeli state and its terrible crimes. It’s hard to imagine that he would have acted as he did in the absence of Israeli atrocities that have reached the level of genocide. He shouted his support of Palestinians, not antisemitic slogans. On his window in Chicago he had a sign reading “Tikkun Olam means FREE PALESTINE.”


>But still, by targeting a mostly Jewish meeting organized by the American Jewish Committee held in a Jewish space without an explicitly pro-Israel agenda, Rodriguez has blurred what should be a bright line between anti-Jewish and anti-Israel actions. Israel apologists have long been working to deny the distinction; unfortunately Rodriguez has muddied it further. Whatever his intentions, his victims will not just be the two staffers, but the people of Palestine. As a result of his actions, attention will be diverted from the ongoing mass slaughter in Gaza to the deaths of the young couple.


>The pro-Palestinian movement had been making important strides in recent weeks. The latest Gallup poll showed that fewer than half of Americans support Israel, and that among those who identify as Democrats, Palestinians were supported over Israel by an incredible 59% to 21%. According to an Economist-YouGov poll, a plurality of voters want to decrease military aid to Israel, particularly among Democrats. And though Congress lags far behind the public, opposition has been slowly growing there to the U.S. blank check to Israel and to the enforced starvation.


>Now, however, the killing of the staffers will be used to try to discredit the Palestinian cause. There will be all sorts of further clamping down against activists: more weaponized charges of antisemitism, more surveillance, more arrests, more deportations. This repression will not be new. But it will have more public support than before. Already the print New York Times has run a story on its front page:


<“Attack Tangles Pro-Palestinian Movement’s Path”


<“The slaying of two Israeli Embassy workers cast[s] a harsh spotlight on pro-Palestinian groups in the United States. Activists, who were already being scrutinized, could face further pushback.”


>And on the op-ed page, they offered up a piece by the media director at the Consulate General of Israel in New York with the print title “This Is the Tragic Consequence of Conflating Jews and Israel”—ignoring the strong presence of Jews and Jewish organizations in the movement for Palestinian liberation.


>To be sure, terrorism has sometimes “worked,” particularly when carried out by powerful states (think of Guernica or Hiroshima). But the historical record of terror by Palestinians has been to strengthen the Israeli right. Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians in the mid-1990s or during the Second Intifada, or rockets fired at Sderot, led not to justice but to more repression, the disappearance of the Israeli left, and greater racist intolerance among the Israeli public. Likewise, October 7 did not advance the Palestinian cause, but set it back horribly. And the assassinations of low-level Israeli officials in the United States will certainly not help in furthering Palestinian interests.


>The survival of the Palestinian people will alas depend on political change in the United States. That will require the growth of the U.S. pro-Palestine movement, building support as widely as possible. Such a movement needs to maintain its moral clarity—both for its own sake and to have any chance of success.

>>2289658
All Zios deserve to die.

I’m sick of playing nice.

All my mercy is gone. Burn every Zio into ash.

>In a way, he's no different than a man walking to work, seeing building on fire, and without hesitation–without thought–running inside, sacrificing himself to save the children burning alive. The only difference? The fire was started by America and Israel, and the children are being killed intentionally.

>>2289658
moralfagging

>>2289658
>Palestinian attacks on Israeli civilians in the mid-1990s or during the Second Intifada, or rockets fired at Sderot, led not to justice but to more repression, the disappearance of the Israeli left, and greater racist intolerance among the Israeli public. Likewise, October 7 did not advance the Palestinian cause, but set it back horribly.
<just wait for the totally real israeli "left" to save you while we murder you

>>2289695
Hamas has even said more Palestinian deaths advance their struggle, because they further the delegitimization of Isn’treal.

>>2289695
<it's your fault you're getting exterminated because you fought back against your extermination

>>2289684
But killing fascists makes you JUST as bad as fascists. The real revolutionary act is to let yourself be exterminated until you're popular enough to not be exterminated any more. That's called moral clarity.

>>2289658
there's nothing in this attack for communists to denounce the US wasn't gonna stop supporting israel anyways and it wasn't gonna stop repressing pro-palestinian activists either, the killing of two rabid zionists isn't gonna convince anyone who wasn't already convinced of the moral justifiaction of israel to genocide palestinians

at most you could say the attack will be inconsequential and a "waste of time" but then again you can say that about any pro-palestine protest except most of them don't result in palestinians getting some miniscule ammount of justice in the form of the death of two of their oppresors

>>2289709
Newpol is part of the anti-communist "socialism from below" matrix.

>>2288881
>>2289271
>>2289353
>>2289522
>>2289606
So simply having shitty political views is enough to justify being killed?

>>2289894
they where literal soldiers you braindead ape

>>2289925
I'm not talking about the Israeli embassy workers. I'm talking about people like The Alchemist and Thom Yorke.

>>2289935
why do you care? are you tom yorker?

>>2289958
No. I'm asking why simply holding shitty political views makes you a legitimate target for political violence. It's no different to Israel saying "all of Gaza is Hamas".

>>2289961
why wouldn't it? dont want to be a target change your shitty views?

consequentialism v deontology

its good when we do it vs its always bad
aka
good to kill fascists not good to kill communists

>>2289962
The difference is that the majority of fascists and neo-Nazis are violent and terrorize vulnerable communities.

Meanwhile, your average Jew who vaguely "supports Israel" isn't necessarily going to do anything except be an asshole on the internet.

>>2289974
Is the "average Jew" spreading Nazi propaganda to their 1 million + followers? They hanged journalists at Nuremburg, and by many accounts not enough. There is a reason people are making lists of cable news reporters. They did it after Rwanda too and the DJ's calling for extermination of people didn't pull a trigger either.

Im just explaining the other side but I'm not seeing what your justification against it is, but it seems to me like you are implying something that you take for granted

>>2289658
>Rodriguez has blurred what should be a bright line between anti-Jewish and anti-Israel actions
If you point at a random Jew you'll find a German Christian who spreads genocide propaganda. BEYOND PARODY LOL
>attention will be diverted from the ongoing mass slaughter in Gaza to the deaths of the young couple.
did you know that many nazis were prosecuted for their role in helping genocide at Nuremberg?
"The Propaganda Prosecutions at Nuremberg" (2017)
https://digitalcommons.lmu.edu/ilr/vol39/iss1/10/
>As Erna Petri, a German homemaker and mother of two, was driving home after grocery shopping, she saw six disheveled and seemingly scared children huddling together on the side of the road. It was the summer of 1943. And through word of mouth, Erna knew that a group of Jewish children had escaped from a train headed to a Nazi extermination center. It occurred to her that these children may have been a part of that group. She approached them and kindly invited them to come home with her. Once at her house, she gave them something to eat and reassured them that they would be safe. Then she asked them to go outside with her. In a wooded area by her house, she stood them one next to the other. Then she placed herself behind them, pulled out a gun, and shot each one of them in the back of the head. After the war, when asked how she could have engaged in such an incomprehensible act of cruelty against innocents, she replied:
<I am unable to grasp at this time how in those days that I was in such a state as to conduct myself so brutally and reprehensibly—shooting Jewish children. However earlier . . . I had been so conditioned to fascism and the racial laws, which established a view towards the Jewish people. As was told to me, I had to destroy the Jews. It was from this mindset that I came to commit such a brutal act
Such a tragedy how people blame propagandists for this!

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is it actually bad if fascists are scared to spread their views publicly because they fear violent repercussions? some might think that is a good thing

>>2289981
Well again, do you think it would be morally justified to engage in violence at a hip hop producer who made a beat tape called "Israeli Salad"?

How do we determine who is a "Zionist" because it seems like no one in the Palestine solidarity camp can even tell you what that actually means. There are some who will say anyone who promotes coexistence between Palestinians and Israelis is a "Zionist" and deserves to be seen in the same light as Bibi and Ben-Gvir.

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>>2290046
I dont know enough about these celebrities but yes there are definitely ethical positions that would get you there. Its a little fuzzy to me but there is definitely a line where you have a big enough audience that you are no longer a "normal" civilian and have to have some responsibility for what you put out. But there are also moral justifications for terrorism against "normal" civilians. For example, hypothetically, if the US is a democracy one could say that 9/11 was justified, but of course we know its not a democracy.

>How do we determine who is a "Zionist"

This borders on bait but assuming you are just naive it means anyone who thinks Israel as a settler colonial apartheid ethno-state should exist. It would really depend on what you mean by "coexistence between Palestinians and Israelis" but within that you maintain Israeli as one of the two identities, presumably meaning Israel exists. If this hypothetical coexistence means a two state solution then that is probably Zionism. If it exists as an ethno-state then the apartheid logically follows to maintain demographic supremacy, as does the ethnic cleansing. If you mean a secular Israel not based on Jewish ethnicity and just keeping two different state names for tradition or because everyone previously agreed to 1967 borders but essentially becoming the same state then it probably wouldn't.

Why do you think "simply having shitty political views is enough to justify being killed" is morally wrong? So that we can have a baseline for what you consider moral, as morality is a highly subjective topic.

Doesn't it depend on the severity of the "shitty political views"? If someone was going around your town saying that a group of people who have a common immutable characteristic should be murdered on that basis and there was a series of killing resulting from that could a violent pre-emptive strike against it by an individual with those characteristics who has not been personally harmed yet not be justified as self defense?

I think its quite different for someone to be targeted based on "political views" that necessarily and logically result in harm to innocents then targeting someone based on inherent qualities about a person that they cant change, like where they were born or their ancestry. Views can be changed, and political violence can be a mechanism for changing them, but you can't change the circumstance of your birth. Palestinians cant not be Palestinian, but being a Zionist is a choice, and it is choosing genocide.

Also you didn't answer my question, and instead just gave a vague statement with a bunch more implications.

What is Zionism to you? Why do you think it is morally bad to commit violence against propagandists? Do you just think violence should only done legally, by the state, which in this case is also complicit in the genocide? You keep flipping back and forth from average people and having bad views to celebrities endorsing genocide to millions of fans.

>>2290057
So by your logic, if 90% of Jews are Zionists, it would be morally justified to murder 90% of Jews on that basis alone?

Making an album called “Israeli Salad” means you should be killed because it entails you believe Israel should exist?

>>2290057
>Why do you think it is morally bad to commit violence against propagandists?
Because what counts as “propaganda” in this case is exceptionally vague. “I loved my visit to Tel Aviv” is not the sane thing as “kill all Palestinians”.

>>2290249
> your logic,
>>2290057
>there are definitely ethical positions that would get you there
>>2289981
>Im just explaining the other side
>>2290250
>what counts as “propaganda” in this case is exceptionally vague
>>2290057
>Its a little fuzzy to me but there is definitely a line

You still havent explained your own perspective. Where if your line? What counts? Or do you think it doesn't count, and why?

>>2290249
>90% of Jews are Zionists, it would be morally justified to murder 90% of Jews on that basis alone?
>you should be killed… (if) you believe Israel should exist?
indisputably yes. the destruction of Israel is the strategic goal of anti-zionist forces. if you disagree you are zionist


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