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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Person without conclusive evidence indicted with Federal charges.
Sentenced to death during the Easter Holiday.

During the Easter holiday, Christians mourned the passing of Jesus, an innocent man who spoke up against authority. On Easter Sunday Christians celebrate Jesus as he rose from the dead. For 2000 years we have had a yearly strike because Jesus was unjustly crucified.
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>>2280613
>>2280616
It can get better, and it should, but society has limited resources, we can and absolutely should spend it on the least fortunate. But tell me, if you can offer 1000 people "not significantly worse" walking aid or 1 person "not significantly better" walking aid, which would you choose? I work at Karolinska hospital, this is the choice I have to make every fucking day, murder me if you want.

>>2280619
I honestly feel like this '1000 vs 1 million' shit you keep bringing up is something you have blatantly misrepresented. The situation in America is nowhere fucking near looking after everyone.

>>2280619
A false dichotomy you've been conditioned by your "betters" to accept are the only two choices when we have working examples right now of much better healthcare systems. It's not our fault you'd rather rot in your own filth than do the work to clean it up, so to speak. And sometimes, and for the purposes of fed monitoring I'm not condoning this, the tool you need to start clean it up is a gun.

>>2280628
It is the reality here. Just today I had to prioritise a patient with sepsis over one with a cut thumb. I wish the latter did not have to wait, but she did, since we do not have unlimited resources.

>>2280630
I work at a public hospital. I do work to clean it up, not even "so to speak". Use a gun against me to "clean it up" if you will…

So did the adventurism work yet guys?
Does America have free healthcare? Are you any closer to a revolution?

>>2280652
this isn't twitter sir there's no need for rhetoric like that

>>2280649
It's funny you talk about the reality in your county while completely discounting the reality in ours. The guy you're handwringing over authorized the use of a faulty ai claims system that lead to thousands being denied coverage for lifesaving operations and medications they otherwise would have gotten.
https://www.hfsresearch.com/news/unitedhealthcares-ai-use-to-deny-claims-is-center-of-industrywide-debate/

Also lol at you equivocating this piece of shit to an actual healthcare worker. No one's coming for you man don't worry.

>>2280661
Did I not "delay coverage" by saying "lol this can wait to be analysed after lunch" to the poor man who sent his samples to my hospital to be analysed for a possible UTI just today? Probably just my deep self hatred lmao.

>>2280652
Shouldn't you be canvassing in preparation for the midterms

>>2280667
>>2280659
>If you don't think adventurism works, you're a twitter democrat!
Please read Lenin

>>2280665
Okay now you're just being an obtuse shithead. That or you're just dense. I look at systems and the architects thereof. Offing a wage worker just following orders isn't gonna accomplish shit. The UnitedHealthcare CEO killer understood this well enough. Offing Thompson was the right call if their goal was to open the door to serious conversations about our private health insurance system, which the shooter did. Not condoning btw.

>>2280690
I also look at the systems and the victims thereof. The United Healthcare CEO was also a waged worker just doing his job, he was a paid employee, a much, much better paid employee than me, a humble biomedical analyst, but still a paid employee. You should look at the actual owners of of United Healthcare, not it's perhaps most benefited worker. The system is at fault, not the man.

>>2280696
>The United Healthcare CEO was also a waged worker just doing his job
PFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
holy shit fuck you anon. you had me going for a while there goddamn. I needed that laugh.

>>2280698
Did he actually own United Healthcare or did he just work for them? Dividing the privileged "upper middle class" from the "working class" is the oldest trick in the bourgeois wallet. If your income comes from selling your labour you are working class, from CEO to cleaner, forgetting this is being an agent of the owners of the means of productions and is the very reason we have not actually achieved a socialist revolution.

>>2280703
Eh its not as funny the second time anon come on now.

>>2280705
You realty are not a socialist… The difference is owning the means of production or selling your labour. Selling your labour for 1 $ an hour or a million $ an hour is insignificant, it is merely a difference of degrees. The real issue is who owns that labour and in the end profit of it. A privileged slave is still a slave.

>>2280717
Ceos of big companies are paid in stock so they're owners

>>2280720
Investors or actual owners? Even I own a few stonks and funds, if I show up at a corporate board they will laugh at me to no end… If you own anything less than 51 % you are a joke… Even at that here we have this fun thing called "A" and "B" shares. A's actually get to decide how the company is run, B's just get to invest in the company and get whatever the A's decide is a worth their investment.

>>2280717
>You realty are not a socialist
>I'm the real socialist for defending class traitors
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>2280724
Someone selling their labour for a lot still sells their labour, and are thus workers.

>>2280726
Not the point of contention here. You are defending class traitors based on a technicality. You are an idiot.

>>2280728
Said "technicality" is acutely the very fundamental difference at hand. If you sell your labour irrespective of the price you are working class. Excluding the privileged from class struggle is the very reason they struggle tooth and nail against socialism.

>>2280723
If you are an investor you're a capitalist, yes it is that simple

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>>2280733
>Excluding the privileged from class struggle is the very reason they struggle tooth and nail against socialism.
>Not because they directly benefit from the system and wish to preserve their wealth and status

>it's because poor people are mean to them

>>2280737
I own all of 50k USD of "my own money", and about equal that in pension funds (state, employee, union combined) in investment funds… most people do, but importantly that all comes from selling my labour, the first part voluntarily, the second part "forced" by the state, my employee (ehum the state) and my labour union.

Benefit? They are a privileged victim, but still a victim. In a socialised system even the upper middle class would benefit and you people are the chief reason they really think they wouldn't and thus oppose it.

>>2280747
>mass social murderers are le heckin victims!!!
>the victims of private healthcare are the problem actually!
>won't someone please think of the millionaire ceos!!!
I understand now why people hate socdems…

>>2280747
>>2280745
1 million Palestinians are being exterminated as we speak, billions in the third world toil both to facilitate the genocide and your lifestyle. But sure, you’re the REAL victim because your funko pops are slightly more expensive. Truly nobody suffers as much as the white western leftoid

>shoves brown children into a meatgrinder by the thousands
Uuuugh, life is so heckin HARD in America! Fortunately socialism will help me keep my decadent lifestyle so my friends and I don’t have to work!

>>2235129
Why do you people care about this petty bourgois murderer?

>>2280758
He’s American which means his life matters a million billion times more than third world trash you heckin TANKIE!!!!

>>2280758
The American left is compromised of full on (not even petit bourgeoisie) bourgeoisie white women who only give a fuck about Chad perpetuating bourg on bourg adventurist violence instead of actually trying to move America into autarkic but far lower quality of life socialism in the USA which is the only sustainable future.

>>2280763
What Baizou can’t grasp is that revolutions in the imperial core are only “liberation” for the proletariat, the people who have nothing, at most 20% of the population. For everyone else the revolution is a tool of punishment, not liberation. It cannot be overstated that if you are part of the golden billion and have reserves or property then should you survive your “quality of life” will be about those of f a barracks. Of course to the billions you exploit and murder this would seem like a paradise compared to their current circumstances, but I wonder if you’ll be able to appreciate that irony

>>2280758
He allegedly killed someone that actually deserved it and that's based.

>>2280758
>petty bourgois
We're getting to the point where this should be a banned phrase.
Nobody on this fucking website uses it correctly.

>>2280872
I mean, IIRC he does come from a wealthy bourgeois family. I wouldn't even call it small bourgeoisie either, he is solidly of a bourgeois background.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Mangione

>>2280876
Yeah, it's funny how people just choose to ignore this. Look man, I enjoy watching bourgeois pigs get put down as much as the next guy, but I would argue someone like Daniel Victor Jones is definitely a more tragic and possibly even more heroic figure.

>>2280619
>It can get better, and it should, but society has limited resources
false.

>>2280703
What was his relation to the means of production? That of the bourgeoisie. He's not a wage worker, that's not how CEO compensation works, he's paid primarily in stock bonuses and his net worth was over $40m meaning he was not forced into a position of wage labor as the proletariat are.

Maybe learn what you're talking about before talking, and you'd look like less of a dumbass

>>2280910
>He's not a wage worker, that's not how CEO compensation works
Wrong. CEOs are paid salary which is a form of wage.
>stock bonuses and his net worth was over $40m meaning he was not forced into a position of wage labor as the proletariat are.
Wrong. CEO's are forced into wage labor and exploited by shareholders. CEO's are paid salary, which is a form of wage, to provide immensely valuable intellectual labor.
>paid primarily in stock bonuses
Managerial proletarians are paid in stocks, yet their pay is far below the value they produce. Stocks are wages in kind which are worse than actual money because the CEO is paid piece wage in worthless and non-fungible stocks which they can only sell after their managerial labor has already been immensely exploited.

>>2280920
hey, I know it feels good to be a poindexter but I would beat your ass in private for pushing this shit in public if you were in my party

>>2280928
I can respect that, but you are in violation of ordinance four. CEOs are proletarians.
<'Real Proletarian' rhetoric which implies a large percentage of wage workers are not proletarians is banned - per modocracy vote passed on 2024-12-25
In america, there are four million CEOs, and one fourth as many surgeons and doctors. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/management/top-executives.htm
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/physicians-and-surgeons.htm
CEOs comprise quadruple the percentage of the proletariat than surgeons and doctors, but you say they are bourgeois. This is strict violation of ordinance four.

>>2281154
If this is true then all the anti police posting on here is rule breaking too, CEOs are basically chief of police, police being managers

>>2281154
CEO's might be workers but they're not proletarian (on average) as they are hardly "reserveless".

>>2280920
also
>exploited by shareholders
<Stocks are wages in kind
amazing! Nobody's ever actually being exploited! You're just paying someone else's wages through the stock system!

>>2281166
True. Shareholder capitalism has abolished exploitation. Now we must fight against the remaining bourgeois parasites who are stealing our surplus value through the state: firefighters, doctors, nurses, teachers, etc. all of whom engage in non-productive labor and are subsidized by us real proletarians.

>>2281166
Managerial proletarian being paid stock is wage in kind. same as working in company town. The managerial proletarian cannot cash out unless the master allows it.

Why is adventurism bad anyways?
How exactly do people expect the class awareness, the momentum, the organisation, all that is necessary to develop in the proletarian masses, if adventurists don't inspire masses to act?
There's lots of people who probably finally decided to read theory or organise because of Luigi
There's lot's you can frighten capital into doing with a few adventurists
Every revolution has occured not out of nowhere, but after a series of previous events that could be called adventurism
And yet everywhere I got all I here is it's bad… just le because, okay????

>>2281661
It depends on the context, but speaking generally, you don't want to encourage every schizo with a grudge and that kinda sorta maybe remembers reading the manifesto once to just grab a gun and start blasting. Random, unrestrained violence is a hell of a thing to introduce to a society, and it can work against you, especially if you're trying to build an actual revolutionary movement. It also creates a perfect pretext for glowies to carry out false flags in your name.

Putting it another way, revolutionary violence is a double edged sword, and you want to control its swing as much as possible.


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