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Person without conclusive evidence indicted with Federal charges.
Sentenced to death during the Easter Holiday.

During the Easter holiday, Christians mourned the passing of Jesus, an innocent man who spoke up against authority. On Easter Sunday Christians celebrate Jesus as he rose from the dead. For 2000 years we have had a yearly strike because Jesus was unjustly crucified.

>>2235129
>For 2000 years we have had a yearly strike because Jesus was unjustly crucified.
who is we
>yearly strike
strike? like labor strike? first I've heard of holidays being labor strikes.

>>2235134
By we I mean the free world.
All holy days are labor strike.
Every Sunday we strike because God had a labor strike on the 7th day.

>>2235129
This bourgeoisie killed a prole btw

>>2235138
I would believe you if you said Luigi was a bourgeoisie, I refuse to believe Brian Thompson did not own property or stocks and thus the MOP making him bourgeoisie too.

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This proves Italians are not white. Look how hard they are going after him

>>2235129
>A petty bourgeois killed another petty bourgeois in a vengeance plot.
Why should proles care about this shit again?

>>2235138
Intentionally misinterpreting marxist language to push the opposite agenda of marxism feels a bit off to me.

What's with all the retarded Christians that clearly came from 4chan lol.

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>>2235129
>another fucking thread about this American
He's an ivy league middle class right wing thiel-ite nut who just did a random act of individual terrorism in service of nothing. Immediately loved by all radlibs who ultimately share much with him and seen as a service to middle class demands like universal healthcare etc. His stupid act of individual violence turning him into a folk hero that's going to "wake up the masses", turning the entire historical process on its head and demonstrating that all these "radicals" are just like the substack eugenics twink: disgruntled democrats. They are only *even more* pathetic than that guy as their celebration and fetishization of useless, movementless, violence is *even less* attached to a real wider politics.

>>2235138
>>2235145
Put your glownonymous name back on

>>2235158
>it's glowie to NOT support random acts of terror
Maybe on planet fucking retard.

>>2235161
>Shoot (1) person with targeted shot
>Terror

Lie

>>2235154
Do proles not want healthcare? Is being billed for health insurance in the proletariat?

>>2235165
It's as communist as wanting to lower the price of rent (it isn't).

>>2235167
So in communism you pay money for healthcare, got it

>>2235167
Wanting to raise wages for workers isn’t communist either

>>2235169
>communists aren't concerned with the price of commodities
<oh so there will be commodities under communism
Smartest right-winger.

>>2235171
If you're talking about minimum wage laws, you're right. If it's proletarians fighting for their own wage increases, that's a different matter entirely.

>>2235172
Why does it have to be proles fighting in their particular workplace for their particular conditions?

>>2235173
Because communism is a biased proletarian movement?

>>2235174
No no no, you said it has to be proles in one shop only focused on the conditions of their shop, nothing outside of it.

>>2235173
>why is it communist when its only proles but not when its multiple classes
rly uygha

>>2235176
Debate addicts can't even understand what they read, lol.

>>2235173
>>2235176
When workers come together to fight for a wage increase, they do so out of their own need, and with their own organizations, thereby contributing to ‘the ever expanding union of the workers.’ The difference here is one of origin: minimum wage demands emerge from the brains of the petty bourgeois. Wage demands made by proletarian organizations, meanwhile, emerge from their real struggle to develop the conditions and unity of workers themselves.

>>2235177
Universal healthcare, despite technically benefiting all classes in society, would give labor much more room to organize as health insurance would not be tied directly to your employment. Agitate for a union and you could lose your ability to see a doctor in the US, this has led to the US being one of the least union dense workforces in the developed capitalist world. The bourgeois, despite paying for the health insurance out of pocket, prefer it this way because they hold control over their employees ability to access healthcare.

>>2235165
Isolated CEO killings aren't going to grant the working class healthcare.

>>2235129
>without conclusive evidence
>on video executing the oinker
+ religious retardation.

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>>2235137
Who the fuck believes in "god"?
lol

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>>2235956
The Claims Adjuster and Luigi Mangione are not the same person.

>>2235220
Organized CEO killings would, though.

It's your job as a Communist to organize people like Luigi from isolated terrorists into revolutionary soldiers.

>Should an innocent person be executed?
Yes. In fact, anyone who didn't kill Brian Johnstone should be executed publicly.

fucking hell

>>2235154
what

>>2238010
> organize people like Luigi from isolated terrorists into revolutionary soldiers.
Organization doesnt work, people follow leaders, not organize

Murder is morally wrong but this man did not receive due process to establish his guilt. Both sides of this discussion are bad.

>>2235138
You deserve to die in a puddle of hospital juice.

>>2235129
It's Sacco and Vanzetti all over again. Free my man.
>>2235161
>random
Not random. Terror against the bourgeoisie is good actually, see

>>2239831
>people follow leaders
literally a basic organization
organization is what allow people to change the world. Even Stalin was all "organize organize organize" because thats what works.

>>2239948
>literally a basic organization
The only one organizing things is a leader, you cant ask random people to organize, only to obey

>>2239948
>>2239955

However, back to the topic, Luigi did nothing wrong. Fighting means violence

>>2239864
Only good post solely because of the reference

>>2235129
Didn't they had troubles forming a jury, because everyone was sympathetic to him?
If he actually gets death penalty it's because the state wants him dead (Musk made that obviously clear)

>>2235172
Housing is a monopoly. Same as healthcare. As Marxists, we support the socialization of production. But we should recognize monopoly rent. We should therefore organize on housing issues and similar to oppose petty-bourgeois reaction which tries to split up such monopolies and get people owning "starter homes" and invested in urban sprawl.

If they were going to frame somebody then why would the do it to a clean cut, good looking, middle class white guy?

>>2235138
get a load of this glowing retard

>>2235140
>owning stocks makes you bourgeois
There goes every single worker in America except maybe Ubereats drivers

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> BREAKING: Latest motion states patrolwoman searched Luigi’s backpack at McDonald’s without a warrant, then repacked the items and left the restaurant with the backpack, with no body cam footage for the next 11 minutes during her drive to the precinct. Upon arriving at the precinct, she resumed the warrantless search and “found a handgun in the front compartment.”
https://x.com/LuigiCaseFiles/status/1918446222664167859

>>2255279
>no warrant
>illegale eavesdropping

Like what else does he need to walk free?

>>2235137
>the free world

>>2235129
Luigi is not innocent though. He murdered the People's Commissar of Health. The People demands execution by shooting of this trotskyist saboteur.

>>2255282
im not a legalist but the law clearly states they had probable cause to search because of a citizen's report

>>2240387
uber eats drivers own cars which they use as capital, therefore uber eats drivers are bourgeois

>>2255282
>>illegale eavesdropping
huh? care to elaborate?
>>2255312
Do we even know if the tip ws real? do we know who put it in? or is this paralell reconstruction?

>>2255328
Your liberal attempts at proving luigi innocent under bourgeois law is bourgeois legal fetishism.

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>>2255365

>>2235134
>first I've heard of holidays being labor strikes.
First of may is a national holiday here, so… yeah…

>>2235129
what's the alleged reasons for the assassination, anyway. too lazy to go and investigate one particular burgerpunk event.

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>>2235161
>random acts of terror
oh, poor baby, poor poor baby feels terrorized that a porky got the bullet.
are you also a ceo of a nation-wide company ranked as one of the most profitable companies in the world?

>>2235129
How is Luigi chimping out against his back injury not being covered by his insurance any different from my country's (Sweden's) decision not to pay for the latest and greatest walking aid for patients and instead offering them a much cheaper alternative they (but not the patients themselves) think is "sufficient" (a recent scandal)? Is said disabled patient be justified in shooting the prime minister?

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>>2280445
>Is said disabled patient be justified in shooting the prime minister?
Yes. Next.

>>2280445
>Is said disabled patient be justified in shooting the prime minister?

what board do you think you're on????

>>2280457
>>2280459
Clearly one that do not want to discuss the injustices that will arise in any system. These are lesser in a socialised system, where the limit is "no society will not pay a literal million dollar a year for a slightly better walking aid, you get one that cost a thousand a year" instead of "LMAO I LIKE MONEY FUCK YOU". But clearly neither patient is justified in murder.

>>2280480
I mean maybe if the difference is so stark sure, but name me one country in the real world that isn't routinely committing social murder daily

>>2280485
None, that is my point. If you demand perfection and think murder is justified for anything less, everyone dies.

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>>2280480
You’re going in the pit, lib.

>>>>2280487
Violence against the rich is deserved.

>>2235184
>The difference here is one of origin: minimum wage demands emerge from the brains of the petty bourgeois.
People just say whatever sort of nonsense they want on here huh?

>>2280492
It doesn't matter if they deserve it or not, what matters is the fact that it is necessary because peaceful means do not work. It's important to think in terms of necessity rather than morals.

>>2280490
Very off topic and I know pic is most likely fake but what the hell is even being graded here? Would the kid have gotten a C if they said waitress?

>>2280487
I mean god, ok, fine, there are some injustices that don't justify murder, but our system is 1000x more messed up than that point

>>2280518
obviously fake but these kind of assignments are for very young kids and not graded, its just to test their general skills of thinking/writing/drawing

>>2280554
Don't know your system, but yeah, my example is not actually drawed out of my ass. There is a recent scandal in Sweden where the government did elect to not pay for what they claim is "not a significantly improved" walking aid, but in reality we all know the real reason is "it cost 1000 times more lmao". No system is perfect and not acknowledging that and calling for murder will get you nowhere.

>>2280567
well I can't comment on that specific case since I know nothing about it, but in general there are many many evil systems in this world that d justify murder. any PM is basically deserving of it by default

>>2280569
If all PMs deserve murder you will murder everyone. Not that thighman (he does have very impressive thighs thus the meme) is a great guy, the liberal-conservative that he is, but deserving of murder, nah, neither is whomever Luigi killed.

>>2280577
PMs are literally in the top 0.01% of people responsible for social ills

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>>2280577
Pit. Now.

>>2280579
And the top 0.01 % of social goods (not the dick that is thighman, but you know Per Albin Hansson and Tage Erlander).

>>2280577
You're an idiot

>>2280585
>And the top 0.01 % of social goods

We could achieve much more without leaders. Also, what social good did the healthcare exec accomplish?

>>2280590
>Also, what social good did the healthcare exec accomplish?
The current leader of region Stockholm? She nationalised (regionlised I guess) a lot of the semi-private clinics that just robbed us of our tax money to send to tax heavens, a fucking good thing. I'm sure a select few if them were cute little private clinics that only wanted the best for their patients and only wanted good, but the absolute majority were just out for profit and it is much better that the government run them directly…

>>2280577
Did you wander in from r/neoliberal? You do understand no one here agrees with you, right?

>>2280596
The point is that no one agrees with me, that is why I post it. The neo-liberal experiment with outsourcing government agencies to private companies has utterly failed and the fact that the healthcare executive is nationalising all the private clinics again is fucking great.

>>2280600
And what does any of that have to do at all with the topic of this thread? You just keep going on about how great oranges are in a thread about apples.

>>2280601
So leaders are not all bad?

>>2280603
Stop shadowboxing and make an actual point please

>>2280603
It's possible for a leader to accomplish good but we would be better off in a system without leaders where power actually belongs to the people.

>>2280604
I think I did, not all PMs, or in this case healthcare directors are bad, some of them actually do good, like nationalising (regionalising) all the semi-private healthcare clinics who just sent our tax money away to tax heavens.

>>2280606
Ok well no healthcare exec in America is nationalising healthcare. Maybe in Sweden they have a more functional system that doesn't justify violence but so far as I know there's still poverty, inequality, etc etc even in your country, and there is no excuse for that in a world of such abundance

>>2280608
There is an excuse that justifies it, limited resources. I wish we could give all disabled people a walking system that is slightly better for, and this is a real example, a million dollars a year, instead of a thousand, but we realistically can't, that is the reality.

>>2280612
>limited resources
And there it is! If that's your worldview, that nothing can ever get better than this and people have to suffer, you are not a leftist. So again, i must ask, did you wander in from r/neoliberal?

>>2280612
of course there is some limit to resources, not everyone can have a superyacht, but we could give everyone good healthcare and it wouldn't even be that hard, just train more fucking doctors

>>2280613
>>2280616
It can get better, and it should, but society has limited resources, we can and absolutely should spend it on the least fortunate. But tell me, if you can offer 1000 people "not significantly worse" walking aid or 1 person "not significantly better" walking aid, which would you choose? I work at Karolinska hospital, this is the choice I have to make every fucking day, murder me if you want.

>>2280619
I honestly feel like this '1000 vs 1 million' shit you keep bringing up is something you have blatantly misrepresented. The situation in America is nowhere fucking near looking after everyone.

>>2280619
A false dichotomy you've been conditioned by your "betters" to accept are the only two choices when we have working examples right now of much better healthcare systems. It's not our fault you'd rather rot in your own filth than do the work to clean it up, so to speak. And sometimes, and for the purposes of fed monitoring I'm not condoning this, the tool you need to start clean it up is a gun.

>>2280628
It is the reality here. Just today I had to prioritise a patient with sepsis over one with a cut thumb. I wish the latter did not have to wait, but she did, since we do not have unlimited resources.

>>2280630
I work at a public hospital. I do work to clean it up, not even "so to speak". Use a gun against me to "clean it up" if you will…

So did the adventurism work yet guys?
Does America have free healthcare? Are you any closer to a revolution?

>>2280652
this isn't twitter sir there's no need for rhetoric like that

>>2280649
It's funny you talk about the reality in your county while completely discounting the reality in ours. The guy you're handwringing over authorized the use of a faulty ai claims system that lead to thousands being denied coverage for lifesaving operations and medications they otherwise would have gotten.
https://www.hfsresearch.com/news/unitedhealthcares-ai-use-to-deny-claims-is-center-of-industrywide-debate/

Also lol at you equivocating this piece of shit to an actual healthcare worker. No one's coming for you man don't worry.

>>2280661
Did I not "delay coverage" by saying "lol this can wait to be analysed after lunch" to the poor man who sent his samples to my hospital to be analysed for a possible UTI just today? Probably just my deep self hatred lmao.

>>2280652
Shouldn't you be canvassing in preparation for the midterms

>>2280667
>>2280659
>If you don't think adventurism works, you're a twitter democrat!
Please read Lenin

>>2280665
Okay now you're just being an obtuse shithead. That or you're just dense. I look at systems and the architects thereof. Offing a wage worker just following orders isn't gonna accomplish shit. The UnitedHealthcare CEO killer understood this well enough. Offing Thompson was the right call if their goal was to open the door to serious conversations about our private health insurance system, which the shooter did. Not condoning btw.

>>2280690
I also look at the systems and the victims thereof. The United Healthcare CEO was also a waged worker just doing his job, he was a paid employee, a much, much better paid employee than me, a humble biomedical analyst, but still a paid employee. You should look at the actual owners of of United Healthcare, not it's perhaps most benefited worker. The system is at fault, not the man.

>>2280696
>The United Healthcare CEO was also a waged worker just doing his job
PFFFFHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
holy shit fuck you anon. you had me going for a while there goddamn. I needed that laugh.

>>2280698
Did he actually own United Healthcare or did he just work for them? Dividing the privileged "upper middle class" from the "working class" is the oldest trick in the bourgeois wallet. If your income comes from selling your labour you are working class, from CEO to cleaner, forgetting this is being an agent of the owners of the means of productions and is the very reason we have not actually achieved a socialist revolution.

>>2280703
Eh its not as funny the second time anon come on now.

>>2280705
You realty are not a socialist… The difference is owning the means of production or selling your labour. Selling your labour for 1 $ an hour or a million $ an hour is insignificant, it is merely a difference of degrees. The real issue is who owns that labour and in the end profit of it. A privileged slave is still a slave.

>>2280717
Ceos of big companies are paid in stock so they're owners

>>2280720
Investors or actual owners? Even I own a few stonks and funds, if I show up at a corporate board they will laugh at me to no end… If you own anything less than 51 % you are a joke… Even at that here we have this fun thing called "A" and "B" shares. A's actually get to decide how the company is run, B's just get to invest in the company and get whatever the A's decide is a worth their investment.

>>2280717
>You realty are not a socialist
>I'm the real socialist for defending class traitors
I don't think you know what that word means.

>>2280724
Someone selling their labour for a lot still sells their labour, and are thus workers.

>>2280726
Not the point of contention here. You are defending class traitors based on a technicality. You are an idiot.

>>2280728
Said "technicality" is acutely the very fundamental difference at hand. If you sell your labour irrespective of the price you are working class. Excluding the privileged from class struggle is the very reason they struggle tooth and nail against socialism.

>>2280723
If you are an investor you're a capitalist, yes it is that simple

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>>2280733
>Excluding the privileged from class struggle is the very reason they struggle tooth and nail against socialism.
>Not because they directly benefit from the system and wish to preserve their wealth and status

>it's because poor people are mean to them

>>2280737
I own all of 50k USD of "my own money", and about equal that in pension funds (state, employee, union combined) in investment funds… most people do, but importantly that all comes from selling my labour, the first part voluntarily, the second part "forced" by the state, my employee (ehum the state) and my labour union.

Benefit? They are a privileged victim, but still a victim. In a socialised system even the upper middle class would benefit and you people are the chief reason they really think they wouldn't and thus oppose it.

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>>2280747
>mass social murderers are le heckin victims!!!
>the victims of private healthcare are the problem actually!
>won't someone please think of the millionaire ceos!!!
I understand now why people hate socdems…

>>2280747
>>2280745
1 million Palestinians are being exterminated as we speak, billions in the third world toil both to facilitate the genocide and your lifestyle. But sure, you’re the REAL victim because your funko pops are slightly more expensive. Truly nobody suffers as much as the white western leftoid

>shoves brown children into a meatgrinder by the thousands
Uuuugh, life is so heckin HARD in America! Fortunately socialism will help me keep my decadent lifestyle so my friends and I don’t have to work!

>>2235129
Why do you people care about this petty bourgois murderer?

>>2280758
He’s American which means his life matters a million billion times more than third world trash you heckin TANKIE!!!!

>>2280758
The American left is compromised of full on (not even petit bourgeoisie) bourgeoisie white women who only give a fuck about Chad perpetuating bourg on bourg adventurist violence instead of actually trying to move America into autarkic but far lower quality of life socialism in the USA which is the only sustainable future.

>>2280763
What Baizou can’t grasp is that revolutions in the imperial core are only “liberation” for the proletariat, the people who have nothing, at most 20% of the population. For everyone else the revolution is a tool of punishment, not liberation. It cannot be overstated that if you are part of the golden billion and have reserves or property then should you survive your “quality of life” will be about those of f a barracks. Of course to the billions you exploit and murder this would seem like a paradise compared to their current circumstances, but I wonder if you’ll be able to appreciate that irony

>>2280758
He allegedly killed someone that actually deserved it and that's based.

>>2280758
>petty bourgois
We're getting to the point where this should be a banned phrase.
Nobody on this fucking website uses it correctly.

>>2280872
I mean, IIRC he does come from a wealthy bourgeois family. I wouldn't even call it small bourgeoisie either, he is solidly of a bourgeois background.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Mangione

>>2280876
Yeah, it's funny how people just choose to ignore this. Look man, I enjoy watching bourgeois pigs get put down as much as the next guy, but I would argue someone like Daniel Victor Jones is definitely a more tragic and possibly even more heroic figure.

>>2280619
>It can get better, and it should, but society has limited resources
false.

>>2280703
What was his relation to the means of production? That of the bourgeoisie. He's not a wage worker, that's not how CEO compensation works, he's paid primarily in stock bonuses and his net worth was over $40m meaning he was not forced into a position of wage labor as the proletariat are.

Maybe learn what you're talking about before talking, and you'd look like less of a dumbass

>>2280910
>He's not a wage worker, that's not how CEO compensation works
Wrong. CEOs are paid salary which is a form of wage.
>stock bonuses and his net worth was over $40m meaning he was not forced into a position of wage labor as the proletariat are.
Wrong. CEO's are forced into wage labor and exploited by shareholders. CEO's are paid salary, which is a form of wage, to provide immensely valuable intellectual labor.
>paid primarily in stock bonuses
Managerial proletarians are paid in stocks, yet their pay is far below the value they produce. Stocks are wages in kind which are worse than actual money because the CEO is paid piece wage in worthless and non-fungible stocks which they can only sell after their managerial labor has already been immensely exploited.

>>2280920
hey, I know it feels good to be a poindexter but I would beat your ass in private for pushing this shit in public if you were in my party

>>2280928
I can respect that, but you are in violation of ordinance four. CEOs are proletarians.
<'Real Proletarian' rhetoric which implies a large percentage of wage workers are not proletarians is banned - per modocracy vote passed on 2024-12-25
In america, there are four million CEOs, and one fourth as many surgeons and doctors. https://www.bls.gov/ooh/management/top-executives.htm
https://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/physicians-and-surgeons.htm
CEOs comprise quadruple the percentage of the proletariat than surgeons and doctors, but you say they are bourgeois. This is strict violation of ordinance four.

>>2281154
If this is true then all the anti police posting on here is rule breaking too, CEOs are basically chief of police, police being managers

>>2281154
CEO's might be workers but they're not proletarian (on average) as they are hardly "reserveless".

>>2280920
also
>exploited by shareholders
<Stocks are wages in kind
amazing! Nobody's ever actually being exploited! You're just paying someone else's wages through the stock system!

>>2281166
True. Shareholder capitalism has abolished exploitation. Now we must fight against the remaining bourgeois parasites who are stealing our surplus value through the state: firefighters, doctors, nurses, teachers, etc. all of whom engage in non-productive labor and are subsidized by us real proletarians.

>>2281166
Managerial proletarian being paid stock is wage in kind. same as working in company town. The managerial proletarian cannot cash out unless the master allows it.

Why is adventurism bad anyways?
How exactly do people expect the class awareness, the momentum, the organisation, all that is necessary to develop in the proletarian masses, if adventurists don't inspire masses to act?
There's lots of people who probably finally decided to read theory or organise because of Luigi
There's lot's you can frighten capital into doing with a few adventurists
Every revolution has occured not out of nowhere, but after a series of previous events that could be called adventurism
And yet everywhere I got all I here is it's bad… just le because, okay????

>>2281661
It depends on the context, but speaking generally, you don't want to encourage every schizo with a grudge and that kinda sorta maybe remembers reading the manifesto once to just grab a gun and start blasting. Random, unrestrained violence is a hell of a thing to introduce to a society, and it can work against you, especially if you're trying to build an actual revolutionary movement. It also creates a perfect pretext for glowies to carry out false flags in your name.

Putting it another way, revolutionary violence is a double edged sword, and you want to control its swing as much as possible.


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