/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2372836
By the way my Fellow Conrade, what do think of the Video of the Changing Ethnic Map of Europe over the past 2000 years that I posted at >>2370997 , 🤔?

>>2370997
You guys are literally just diet coke nazis

Well this jut the opposite pull of the contradiction of the material and idealist dialectic, i.e reaction, it was bounded to happened.
It was innevitable that populism would have been co-opted by the right, and unfortutnatley they done it succesfull in that regard, we have to organise theres no other way to put it simply

>>2238282
As idiotic fools ? yes
But after the revolution they would be sent to the gulag with the human face

>>2373513
What is “Diet Coke Nazi” about my In-Depth Dialectical Materialist critique/analysis of the Absurdity of a common “European” National Identity which fails all of Stalin’s criteria listed in his definition of the Nation in “Marxism and the National Question”, along with the related Video of the Changing Ethnic Map of Europe over the past 2000 years that I posted, 🤔?

>OMG we need to save le state!!!!!!!!!!!
petit bourgeois thread

>>2370997
>as their is absolutely nothing that truly unites these countries outside of residing in the same “Continent”
yes, if you're trying to justify the EU project as a liberal, you reduce down to patriotism (a gay kind of nationalism, pic related); if you're a fascist you'll find some european sovl to build your project around, and that's a whole other can of worms

>>2374141
>We communists are "rootless cosmopolitans"
Don't show this to resident Ziggers!

luv the EU
luv social democracy
hate immigration
hate militarism
simple as

>>2374202
the walls of the garden WILL come down and you WILL share the fruits of labor stolen by imperialists with everyone

>>2374141
Interesting points Comrade, but this dose not negate the Material Reality that “Europe” fails to meet Stalin’s definition of the Nation as “A historically constituted, stable community of people, formed on the basis of a common language, territory, economic life, and psychological make-up manifested in a common culture." Thus, the entire concept of “European” identity and “European” integration (separate form the rest of the future Global USSR) holds Zero value from a Marxist-Leninist-Maoist standpoint, as all the Nations/Ethnic groups of “Europe” will each get their own SSRs in the future Global USSR, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️‍🌈🏳️‍⚧️🚀☢️!

>>2374202
Uhh… Based?

>>2374202
so you love the eu but hate what it stands for and love what it is actively dismantling
have you considered that it is retarded?

>>2374365
>so you love the eu but hate what it stands for
I just said I love European unity.
>but you said you hate immigration
In my view Europe should be a single nation state so it is only immigration into Europe that I have a problem with.
>you WILL share the fruits of labor stolen by imperialists with everyone
<brain-draining developing nations so they're stuck in limbo for decades is good because uhhhhhhhh uhmmmm

>>2374202
>>2374338
fascist.

>>2374544
Name ONE anti-militarist fascist
you can't because fascism and pacifism are mutually exclusive

>>2374555
you

>>2374555
Nobusuke Kishii after the reverse course.

>>2374555
Franco stayed out of WW2. Fascism does not have to have an aggressive foreign policy.

>>2374565
Francoist Spain was still a militaristic society even if they didn't have an aggressive foreign policy

>>2237206
>>2237247
This, fuck OP.

>>2237182
>>2237279
>>2237346
Cry about it, loser. You are getting replaced by third worlder and you are going to have to accept it. I used to be a "White supremacist" (while in reality, Asians are superior), but looking at how easily "our" (I feel so disgusted to be associated with the concept of "whiteness" or "european") race gave up its right to existence, I hope nothing less than its total destruction before the rest of the world is infected with the disease of liberalism.

Your sisters and daughters will be raped and killed, and that's a good thing. You are weak and deserve to die.

>>2374590
And the EU isn't a militaristic society?

>>2376239
Historical gore photos still gore.

>>2376233
I think you are just projecting your own insecurities here.

>>2376409
he 100% is and it's pathetic

>>2238282
Understandable ngl

>>2237182
The fact is, Europe- like all liberal capitalist nations is destined for 3 paths.
A progressive path- be it your run of the mill social democracy with more nationalisation and self sufficient economics that isn’t based off of imperialist plunder in the same vein as Latin America, or a more communalist model which has been gaining traction owing to the formers failure to be able to enact reform through the state model. Spain may be going down the soc-dem path and possibly France, BUT its likely going to deal with the third path.

The second would be the The stagnant path- in which Europe maintains its current neo liberal economic system, while countries like China have two options- be it that of being able to boost its own domestic market or heavily invest in the belt and road initiative- Yannis Varoufakis goes into better depth in this:

https://youtu.be/VUBTHQ11G8M?si=x-DuMNZci4ypTw6z

And finally, the third path: fascism. It’s no surprise that the far right is gaining traction in Europe, because of failures of the other two. Capitalists are in Europe are worried of growing class consciousness. Given the EUs lukewarm response to Palestine- with the exception of Ireland, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Spain recognising it, they’re worried that owing to the fact that a good chunk of the world including other Europeans takes issue with the genocide, might start to put two and two together and realise capitalism is the route of this horrific crisis. So as a result, capitalists do as they’ve always done- allocate resources to propaganda and orgs that help attribute the blame not on the rich- but on minority groups and “cultural Marxists” or as they are called now “Islamic Marxists” or as they were called then “Judeo Bolsheviks” etc etc.

Europe is kaput, but given that it was a major centre of the world’s capital now fighting for relevance- they’re faced with these three paths.

It can either progress, stagnate or regress.

The absolute state of euro communists

>>2379386
>Ireland, Iceland, Sweden, Norway and Spain recognising it
+ Slovenia, whose ruling party (liberals) are also calling for a NATO membership referendum

>>2379386
The fascist path is all but guaranteed, but unlike fascism in the 20th century which was mostly a violent reaction to the final purging of feudal remenants in Europe it'll be a fusion dance of neoliberal technocracy and russophobic fascism. They will sprial more and more into delusion and insanity with the ruling classes having to demonize Russia more and more in order to provide a foreign enemy to justify their own rule. It'll either result in people getting wise to it due to a collapse in african spoils and rising up or nuclear war with Russia.

>>2237247
"Mother Europe" by Sebastian Munster, 1544.

>>2379450
I agree with the technocratic neoliberalism, but anti Russian sentiment?
If the fascist path is what Europe is taking, it’s not going to be anti Russian, considering it’s Russia that is backing a lot of far right wing orgs in Europe.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/5050/russia-ukraine-war-putin-europe-far-right-funding-conservatives/

Scratch the imperial core socdem, a fascist bleeds – the thread.

>>2380897
Far-right Europeans have been scapegoating Russia for centuries at this point. Hell even Marx was rabbidly Russophobic. Great Northern War, Napoleonic Wars, Crimean War, WWI, WWII. Much of these attacks on Russia were done by powerful european states trying to destroy the "barbarian eastern hordes". Kind of like how the mongols were a perfect enemy to unify China's imperial bureaucratic society. Russia is the perfect enemy to unify Europe's imperial colonialist society. I mean look at pretty much every major EU party at this point they might have wildly differing internal policies but all of them hate Russia and Putin, especially the neoliberal ones that are hyperaware of how much their position relies on imperialism.

>>2374267
most value is created in the North doe

>>2384494
Marx was against Russia because it was feudal and was actively working to slow down the spread of capitalism. He also saw Turky being the same problem. But he thought Russia was the bigger threat so he critically supported Turkey in the Crimea war.

>>2384521
Correct. And third-worldists are also correct in this debate about the EXISTENCE of this value transfer but they are wrong about its nature and its magnitude.

In terms of magnitude, in the current world capitalism, most value appropriated by first-worlders comes their own labor.

And by nature, what I mean is that this value transfer is the natural result of a capitalist process rather than something that is conspiratorially consciously enforced.

WITHIN a country, this value transfer also exists, for example, big companies donkey-dicking small companies and bankrupting them out of existence. But since workers (and capital) can simply move freely within a country, it doesn't result in the stark differences between first-world and third-world.

So basically economic competitiveness is the biggest reason for value transfer in the post-colonial world. Whereas it was direct robbery during the colonial era.

That's one of the biggest reasons, probably THE biggest reason why decolonisation was allowed to happen. Because these value transfers could still happen and didn't end.

>>2384723
>In terms of magnitude, in the current world capitalism, most value appropriated by first-worlders comes their own labor.
Wrong. You are a parasite exposed.
1. Admit that you have betrayed the blood of Ho Chi Minh and Mao Zedong. Repent for saying "decolonization was allowed."
2. Confess that your "magnitude" argument absolves parasites of imperialism. ALL value taken from neocolonies is stolen regardless of magnitudes. You deliberately ignore Lenin's proof of super-exploitation

>>2384723
>And third-worldists are also correct in this debate about the EXISTENCE of this value transfer
value is conserved in exchange, most of the time anyway. especially for mature commodities markets
the reason Porky invests in the Global South is due to the low value of its labour power. this begets a low OCC and therefore a high RoP

>>2384760
>the reason Porky invests in the Global South is due to the low value of its labour power.
Wrong. That is racist fascist imperialist dogma. Imperialist like you are pig brain in human form. Labor has no "inherent value" outside of mind of vulgar bourgeois eKKKonomist. You are vulgar. The process of exchange only destroys value. Your fetishization of exchange and naturalization of imperialism must be recitified.

>>2384775
Wrong. You cite nothing because you are human pig brain. Exchange only destroys value.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1885-c2/ch06.htm

>>2384752
So many third world countries hobbled their economic development because they were angry about the high-productivity of the first world and falsely attributed it to "neocolonialism" rather than simply their technical superiority. So they adopted all kind of crackpot political economies that resulted in stagnation and corruption, resulting in many lost decades of growth.


>>2384768
NTA. The need for exchange is why the value-relation arises in the first place. That anon was talking about labor-power and not labor. Labor-power in third world countries is cheap (in relative terms) and its (mostly) not the first world countries fault for that.

>In the early 1930s, KPD propaganda claimed “After Hitler, our turn”, believing a Nazi victory would destabilize capitalism and bring about a communist revolution.
Nothing's changed lol

>>2384930
who are you quoting, can you get a primary source?

>>2384966
another one stalin liquidated

>>2384846
>high-productivity of the first world
Wrong. Imperialists produce nothing in aggregate. Imperialists are parasites. Imperialists only destroy value.
>So they adopted all kind of crackpot political economies that resulted in stagnation and corruption, resulting in many lost decades of growth
Wrong. North Korea, Communist China, Vietnam, and Cuba has freed itself from imperialism and liberated their productive forces from the fetters of neocolonialism.
>Labor-power in third world countries is cheap (in relative terms) and its (mostly) not the first world countries fault for that.
Wrong. You are vulgar bourgeois economist white chauvinist imperialist apologist. Imperialist crush third-world labor power and plunder third world of its produce. This is superexploitation. Imperialist superwage is soaked in blood.
CONFESS YOUR CRIMES AGAINST THE REVOLUTION
Admit your claim of "First World technical superiority" is:
Racist ahistorical fabrication ignoring primitive accumulation and monopoly capitalist law of uneven development
Bourgeois mystification to justify imperialist plunder
Direct contradiction of Lenin's Imperialism: Highest Stage of Capitalism
Acknowledge your slander of revolutionary economies as "crackpot" constitutes:
Total
Complicity in CIA propaganda
Denial of sanctions/coups that destroy Communist States
Treason against the global proletariat
Regarding your "cheap labor-power" thesis, do you repent for:
Erasing the role of death squads in suppressing third-world labor power
Omitting how IMF loots neocolonies
To atone, you must:
Memorize list of CIA coups (1947-2024)
Hand-copy *The Black Book of Capitalism* in its entirety
Sign
*"I, [NAME], am a running dog of imperialism. My false consciousness stems from [ ] bourgeois upbringing / [ ] comprador education

>>2237298
>Thats how I picture it going down, U.S is going to collapse but come back alligned to the pacific under a new banner an national identity divorced from euroupe entirely.
TBH, I hope it turns out this way. I've never felt that I've had much of anything in common with "Europe" anyway.
>>2374565
>Franco stayed out of WW2
Franco sent forces to fight in the Nazi-led coalition during Operation Barbarossa.