I don't think my psyche could handle witnessing the EU collapse or be reduced to an irrelevant institution by far right """reforms""". But that is just the outcome that is becoming increasingly more likely with each passing year.
How do I cope?
>>2237187How do you even deal with that? It's a democratic institution so it has to represent the interests of its constituents, and its constituents don't want to unite. The EU constitution referendum got rejected. It's just been status quo ever since.
We are going the way of the ancient Greeks, America will dominate this continent once the EU is fully out of the way. We will eat McBurgers and we will be happy.
>>2237201the EU is the instrument through wich the US dominate the continent.
reminder that any EU army is under the direct control of NATO by the EU own rules
>>2237219>economic securityLike the Marshall plan?
What does this even mean.
>>2237233And then what?
Russia builds its little fascist empire in the East and begins rotting again. West becomes politically dominated by the USA to an even greater degree than ever before.
>C-China will save us!Judging by the way the global economy is looking now and the way demographics are headed I am strongly beginning to doubt they are "winning" as much as some people want to believe.
>>2237250>>2237244No, I mean it. Read Lenin. It may be difficult to understand why EU is such a wound on planet Earth without engaging with theory seriously. Chapter 8 of Imperialism lays it all out.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/imp-hsc/ch08.htm>Hobson gives the following economic appraisal of the prospect of the partitioning of China: “The greater part of Western Europe might then assume the appearance and character already exhibited by tracts of country in the South of England, in the Riviera and in the tourist-ridden or residential parts of Italy and Switzerland, little clusters of wealthy aristocrats drawing dividends and pensions from the Far East, with a somewhat larger group of professional retainers and tradesmen and a larger body of personal servants and workers in the transport trade and in the final stages of production of the more perishable goods; all the main arterial industries would have disappeared, the staple foods and manufactures flowing in as tribute from Asia and Africa. . . . We have foreshadowed the possibility of even a larger alliance of Western states, a European federation of great powers which, so far from forwarding the cause of world civilisation, might introduce the gigantic peril of a Western parasitism, a group of advanced industrial nations, whose upper classes drew vast tribute from Asia and Africa, with which they supported great tame masses of retainers, no longer engaged in the staple industries of agriculture and manufacture, but kept in the performance of personal or minor industrial services under the control of a new financial aristocracy. Let those who would scout such a theory (it would be better to say: prospect) as undeserving of consideration examine the economic and social condition of districts in Southern England today which are already reduced to this condition, and reflect upon the vast extension of such a system which might be rendered feasible by the subjection of China to the economic control of similar groups of financiers, investors, and political and business officials, draining the greatest potential reservoir of profit the world has ever known, in order to consume it in Europe. The situation is far too complex, the play of world forces far too incalculable, to render this or any other single interpretation of the future very probable; but the influences which govern the imperialism of Western Europe today are moving in this direction, and, unless counteracted or diverted, make towards some such consummation.”>The author is quite right: if the forces of imperialism had not been counteracted they would have led precisely to what he has described. The significance of a “United States of Europe” in the present imperialist situation is correctly appraised. He should have added, however, that, also within the working-class movement, the opportunists, who are for the moment victorious in most countries, are “working” systematically and undeviatingly in this very direction. Imperialism, which means the partitioning of the world, and the exploitation of other countries besides China, which means high monopoly profits for a handful of very rich countries, makes it economically possible to bribe the upper strata of the proletariat, and thereby fosters, gives shape to, and strengthens opportunism. We must not, however, lose sight of the forces which counteract imperialism in general, and opportunism in particular, and which, naturally, the social-liberal Hobson is unable to perceive.This is the thrust of the argument. EU is one of the most reactionary organizations in the world and it's currently trying to enslave even more people to increase tribute. And they're failing this time too. It is, importantly, an alliance against communists and people of Europe in general.
European unity can be acceptable in a context like eastern Europe 1945-1990: when the countries being united are not imperialist powers looking to secure their interest, but self-reliant and peaceful. Europe may become that in the future, but it will have to come after West European capital is kicked out from all global south countries and Eastern Europe for good. Any support for that organization is support for the biggest problem that people of Europe have.
Most people like you go on to become the modern moderate hitlerites, so please try to read that book and many others to understand why it's just not possible to continue with the institutions you like. It is a lot to take in.
>>2237363Yes I am. Sue me.
At least I'm honest about it. Yugoboomers like this
>>2237366 guy or communists in Russia will literally cognitive dissonance themselves into supporting fascist dictators to own the libs and see no problem.
>>2237360I unironically think his tarrifs will work.
In the sense that they will hurt the rest of the world a lot harder than it will hurt the US.
>>2237378Free to enter the cyberpunk dystopia age.
>>2237380Yes I literally am a social democrat. Epic gotcha moment bro.
>>2237394Why don't you respond to the post that tries to address your issues and keep shitposting instead?
>>2237306The problem with social chauvinism is that it doesn't work. You only got any scraps in the previous period because there was a threat of revolution and Soviet military marching in to support it. You can either become a communist and try to achieve something or find a more potent cope.
>>2237182>I don't think my psyche could handle witnessing the EU collapsepussy.
>How do I cope?LARPing on imageboards.
>>2238186There is no single institution or nation on this planet that has done more for workers and consumers rights after 2000 than the EU.
>muh warmongerers!!!It should have an army and it should defend neighboring countries from imperialist powers like Russia. Toothless bodies like the UN just end up being ignored and fall into obsolescence.
>>2238238>There is no single institution or nation on this planet that has axed more workers and consumers rights after 2000 than the EU.Fixed.
Troll.
>>2238264yeah so instead of organizing communists we should supoort libs because that always turns out to be the correct line during a crisis of pairlamentary democracy
just kys
>>2238274I don't think that really mattered though, other than the US, and to a much lesser extent Canada, the rest of the "new world" are mostly either stagnant semi-failed states, or too small to make a difference. The future of world's economy/cultural center, seems to be in Asia ; India, ASEAN, Russia, China… while europe slowly decays/depopulates, Africa slowly developing into a middle income region, while South America remains stuck in the middle income trap.
>>2238279>fascists want to destroy EUlol
lmao
Those cucks are worthless.
>>22382911. Trump torpedoed them all.
2. They're the ones that are going to try to make EU into a military power (and fail), so you're about to be their best buddy, by your own admission.
>>2238293What level of delusion is this? Literally what planet are you living on?
The AfD up until recently wanted a full EU exit of Germany, but was convinced by FN and Fidesz to switch to their plan of cutting out all its institutions from the inside and turning it into just a free trade area.
>Trump torpedoed them all.Torpedoed them into what? Political relevancy? Never before seen numbers? American owned social media is propelling them and Elon Musk is literally dancing at their rallies and donating them money.
>>2237219Military gibs are a post-9/11 invention pushed by the USA
>>2237182Tbh even if the current union dissolves and we have revolutions, it will be replaced with a new one. Today european states are just too small and weak geopolitically speaking, and even if we suppose a revolution happens in the coming dacade, being in a union is just too advantageous. Look no futher than the UK, as soon as they got out the USA tried to rape them immediatly.
>>2237233That's only a problem with a capitalist EU
>>2237253Wtf is this retaliation bullshit, for a regime that most german didn't even support even.
>>2237266< muh sinophobiaThis is pure lazy radlibbery btw. Not that I think that OP right, that is, China is going to become the next global hegemon even if the population isn't growing as it used to.
>>2237270That will last only so far. And if they already have those orovisions, why aren't they deploying them then?
>>2237283Because so far every push for it was for a capitalist union
>>2238312America is falling apart as we speak. I can see Russia being potentially more problematic, but once Putin dies only god knows how their politics will evolve. Also, given
1) the existence of the eurasian union
2) the fact that Putin was besties with many initially euroskeptic rightoid who change flag for "a europe of nations" after brexit
I think it could be possible that a future Russia would be amicable to a union in europe with them in similar position as the US is right now. But this is speculating a lot.
>>2238288please wake up, fascists are currently getting voted into multiple EU countries
Thanks to Cucktin for his zero support for communist parties so now the EU political landscape is Pro-Ukrainian Nazis vs Pro-Russian Nazis YAYYY!!
>>2238323> It's only growing stronger.Picrel
>>22383331 or 83, the point being made is that Russia is far from being against political/economic unions
>>2238351Because of the decline of liberal politics. The only way the left would come to power would be via a revolution. Also what
>>2238370 said
>>2238342Pure idealism
>>2238291True, doesn't mean the current neolibs are on our side or in any way favourabke to our interests
>>2238378> Thanks to Cucktin for his zero support for communist partiesOh if only it was just that, he gave 60 million € to the "we are not racist but" party here in italy, the League, some years ago. He's also besties with many reactionaries like Le Pen and Orban.
>>2238379Picrel
>>2238398fuck man that image is insane, it's also about exactly what you'd expect out of these people
>>2238446i'm sure you're jacking off to this one
>>2238448The graphic is also from 2009, but it still shows how much wealth so few nations have.
>>2238433Are you saying the whole of EU should remain under America's control instead and to top it off become more powerful?
>>2238475My wet dream would be an anti-American European Federation rising up off the back of some big tent center left right coalition. US """support""" in all its forms has been a poisoned apple that killed the European project.
>>2238477Europeans dismantled their own empires in the name of peace and international cooperation. The only imperialist actors here are America and Russia.
>>2238238>workers and consumers rights "We need consumer freedom" - every neoliberal alive
>>2238264>Fascists are the only ones that are gonna be coming to power off the EU's demise.>>2238379>fascism, pro-russianlol ok so where are the strongman dictators in the EU who can adopt a more leftist position like Latin American leaders have? If you don't have any, why not? What sort of dialectical evolutionary conditions have lead the EU to being stagnant, weak animals that will die off like an outdated bird that went extinct because it couldn't adapt to changing environments?
>>2238581>Europeans dismantled their own empires in the name of peace and international cooperation>Europeans fought wars to keep their coloniescan you find a contradiction between these two statements?
think really hard now
>>2238591yes, much like antinazism became consensus in Germany only after 1945
decolonisation became a consensus after it was imposed on Europe by circumstances (wartime devastation, the superpowers, independence movements)
>>22386151. Rhodesia was one colony among many. In most others (including India which was by far the most important one) they were forced out.
2. The UK supported South Africa which supported Rhodesia.
>>2238398>>2238452Yes, @moffin and the other leftcom tards: when it comes to Europe, rightists and those agitating for economic sovereignty on behalf of their own bourgeoisie are, in some cases, more progressive than the left-liberal parties calling for further unity between nations—unity that results in an even deeper concentration of capital among their own ruling classes. It’s like you don’t want to learn from history. A united bourgeoisie (even under the domination of a single hegemon like the U.S.) is far more dangerous to a disunited proletariat than a fragmented one. This mirrors the situation prior to WWI—where the bourgeoisie was divided into competing blocs, while the 2nd International, increasingly opportunistic, was split into various national parties. As either Luxemburg or Liebknecht said about Kautsky: they preached “class war against the bourgeoisie and proletarian internationalism during peace,” but practiced “class peace and proletarian slaughter during war.”
The Redditor is correct in pointing out that the current epoch resembles (pre-imperialist) capitalism is (so fucking) over, that we're in the finance-capital imperialist epoch and she’s got good proletarian instincts in recognizing that it borders on socialism—a planned economy, albeit under bourgeois dictatorship. This echoes Lenin’s formula: “Socialism = state capitalism + the dictatorship of the proletariat.” The global wealth is now more concentrated than ever, particularly within the NATO sphere. And it’s a mistake to categorize Russia or China as imperialist in the Leninist, finance-capital sense. If anything, they resemble pre-monopoly capitalist powers—akin to thinking of Ottoman or Turkish expansion as "imperialism" only in a loose, historical sense. Failing to make this distinction is intellectually lazy and poisons the well of meaningful analysis.
There’s more to be said. The fact that the upper stratum of the working class has been thoroughly bribed by imperialism—and now possesses a petty-bourgeois consciousness—is also reflected in the dominant trends of Western Marxism. These trends are often messianic, anarchoid, and idealistic—imagining that socialism will arrive overnight, by decree. But socialism is a long historical process, one that was only just signaled by the October Revolution. You’re simply not ready for that conversation (you’re dopamine addicts).
>>2238627And this is not some feels based idea. If anything, looking at the (semi)periphery and what goes on there is a good, good indicator what awaits Europe au generale. In Serbia, there is already a five month long crisis of representative (bourgeois) democracy going on and a five omnth long organization along soviet, direct-democratic lines. There are alliances being made between Serbia and Hungary on one side, and Bulgaria and Albania on the other side. There's a trend of remilitarization in Croatia as well as Slovenia. The bourgeoisie tends towards division. This is
good because it makes possible to formulate an
international, marxist solution to the problem.
>>2238606if you want to congratulate european powers for knowing when to give up then be my guest but
>dismantled their own empiresor
>peace and international cooperationit is not
>>2237346The figures used to make that graph use exchange rates to calculate gdp, not ppp.
They might not even use inflation adjustment.
>>2238762Russia is not part of Europe it's actually a historical part of Turkey.
>But turkey is in europeNot according to the EU.
>>2238606but europe did and still does fight to keep its neocolonies you retard, france is at the forefront but there are also joint europeans missions
also, a significant part of "decolonization" was a managed retreat where colonies were replaced by neo colonies once it became clear current colonial methods wouldnt be able to persist after algeria and indochina (so you just put your favorite comprador as president while throwing in jail all the socialist and independentists and voila, you can claim decolonization while keeping the economic subordination and your military bases)
>>2237182EU was always a neolib and US empire project, it fucked my country economically by having a stupid common currency that dont fit most of its countries, and also encouraging delocalizations to the east and import and exploitation of its cheap labor, its geopolitical action are either entirely on the side of the empire or completely impotent, every crisis reveal how shit it is for the citizens, it force awful privatization, austerity and neolib policies on its members, it uphold the worst of the agro industry and environmental devastation and use it to make poor countries dependent, its demise will be entirely a good thing.
Im always utterly baffled how someone can pretend to be leftist and pro europe. The only possibility is profound stupidity and complete uncritical assimilation of the mainstream liberal media discourse
>>2237219The EU doesnt rely on US gibs, the EU pays tributes to the USA to a value somewhat similar to what the US spends on defense for europe. The actual figures change but its on the order of 300 billion dollars a year, thats money that the EU sends to the US and it isnt trade, its just money that gets sent.
China, Japan, South Korea, the gulf arabs and a few other large exporters (like Russia and Venezuela) also send money to the USA, the USA can only stay in a huge trade deficit if the countries with a trade surplus fund it by sending it money.
>>2239497Seconding
>>2239499You should know better than to project your humanity onto bourgeois governance bodies, in this case a glorified economic treaty
>>2239881>Defending yourself from genocide is “imperialism” now?One thing has nothing to do with the other. An empire can have defensive reasons to exist and still be an empire
Russia as a whole is just a defensive ring for Moscow and is the raison d'etre of Russia. Just a punching bag to shield Moscow and specifically Moscow from teh rest of the world.
All of what is today Russia is the product of Moscow conquests
>>2239474>I'd want a stronger and more united Europe because otherwise you'll be preyed upon by other, stronger powers in the world.another classic eurocunts cope that should have been dismissed when reality proved the exact inverse is true. Big euro countries have never been as weak, disunited, powerless and preyed upon than since the EU exist, because EU is in service of global capital and not in service of nations. Because europeans countries are fundamentally different with very different interests, no common policies can be beneficial to everyone, and as its a neolib project from the start, they are even detrimental to everyone. And its even worse during crisis, during covid they literally stole masks from each other, took way too long to buy overpriced vaccines thanks to the endemic corruption of the eurocrats elites, didnt even make them and refused to remove copyrights from them despite the fact the tech was invented by an EU start up thanks to public EU money, but ofc US got all the benefits from this.
EU is the economic counterpart of NATO, its the US empire structure in europe, and it benefit global porkies and not national ones (which is why euro porkies now have a larger share of interest in global capital than in their own nation).
>The more you fight among yourselves, the more vulnerable you are to the predators of the planet to eat you piecemealas said, its even worse since the EU exist, because the common market will benefits some and not others, and as everyone must agree, its way easier to fuck over euro countries thanks to EU. Cooperation between euro nation was present and working fine before EU.
>But anyone who thinks Le Pen, Orban and the AfD are helping shake off U.S. influence are probably wrongwho the fuck think that? those arent even really anti europe or anti US.
>The European Union is rather weak though because its neoliberal tendencies and structure makes it prone to internal fragmentation and lack of vision.<so yeah everyone can see its shit, and it made things worse and unfixable, but we still should keep it! >>2237182EU has already collapsed.
Organise the working class, make them read and understand theory.
Weather the storm of right-wing governments, people who voted for them tend to be the ones who are the most disappointed by them, if they inevitably fail. The task of the ruling liberal (and conservative and social democrat and progressive) parties is to prolong the inevitable.
Lets be real here. Our job is to plant the seeds, we will never witness the trees that grow out of them. But the ones who do will praise us for this.
>>2241605>agrarian and slave society are not capitalists and do not have wage, Any worker that works for someone else besides his own family is getting a wage or compemnsation of some kind and its always a fraction of the added value created in the operation. There are no exceptions to this.
Slave and agrarian societies are 100% capitalist as they do the same thing all capitalist societies do, they employ capital and labor to create wealth.
Who cares about a wage or "mode of production"? Theres only one mode of production and that is that workers work using capital and then get a cut from the generated added value.
>>2241631> Educate yourself you moron,Are you writing a response just to insult me? You dont have any arguments so yes, i will repeat mine.
Every society uses capital and labor. There is no other way to generate wealth, of any kind. Any economic operation will use capital and laborers. All laborers get paid a fraction of the generated wealth and they are all bossed.
This is a constant in all societies. Theres nothing special about what you imagine to be "capitalism" contrasted to literally any other ism.
You think im wrong?
Name any society where capital and labor was not used to generate wealth. I cant think of a single one, maybe jungle aboriginals that walk around naked and eat spiders?
>>2237182The EU IS a far-right institution. It literally fucking requires that member countries maintain neoliberalism. For example, it requires that if member states want to nationalise, they have to have a "fair" auction in which the state competes against rivals for bidding.
The EU is irredeemable. Don't accept fake unity and peace over real unity and peace, which can only come from the working class.
>>2248659We can break free! We can make something of ourselves again! We can crush our enemies! Our oppressors! Europe will paint the tapestry of history in its image once more! Ein volk, ein reich, ein f-
Oh wait shit wrong script.
>>2237182Prole from Hungary (EU periphery) here..
You just accept the fact and … die
>>2237182Shut up euroach and get in the pod, the monument to glorious struggle of Bandera, the Charlemagne division and Israel will not built themselves alone.
Have you even volunteered in the common front of the union to be so pessimistic, I guess no
>>2237183The European social contract (i.e. the conditions upon which European workers are persuaded to pretend/believe class struggle isn't happening or a real thing) is very heavily based on the welfare state and other liberal+socdem political and social institutions which are completely incompatible with more militarized societies in the various european nations. Both in the economic sense (no money for welfare if big military) and in the political social sense average Europeans believe that we don't get involved in war anymore (kinda hard to believe if you have a big military) and nobody will ever attack us cause the US will cover our ass through NATO.
That last part is kinda nuts how deeply entrenched it is. You just have to go see how european journos spazzed the fuck out when Putin invaded with headlines like "All out war in Europe in the 21st century", like Europe is just some hallowed holy ground upon which the barbarities of war could ever enter again. Truly a religious attachment to the pieties of the liberal world system.
>>2255915the totality of euro political parties are pro-EU and pro-NATO
There is no alternative to the status quo in Europe
Europe is a big museum at this point
>>2241243wrong
capitalism is when there are crabs
the bigger the crabs, the capitalister the world is.
>>2255930IKR I feel like there are three tiers of mainstream opinions on Israel:
<Uncritical support of Zionism and genocide<"Liberal" critical support for Zionism and Genocide<Contrite support for Zionism and Genocide but possibly with a "the two state solution"And all of them are materially complicit in the genocide and tightly controlling the media to exclude even the faintest hint of anti-zionism from the mainstream consensus
>>2255975germany?
round where I am in the nordics, there is plenty of critical coverage of gaza, the illegal settlements etc. even the state media covers these events, usually more critically (ie. honestly) than private media. on the other hand they also occasionally platform zionists as representatives of local jewry, who fully buy into and promote the "new antisemitism"
the pro-genocide types are mostly racist conservatives and jesus freaks, right-libs don't care and continue arms trade with Israel, left-libs oppose israel & succdems are split
>>2260315Not
>>2260316But there’s no way you can tell me that “internationalism” in the eu exists when its manifestation is just mundane neocolonialism and brazen imperialism against both itself and all its neighbours. Quit crying about muslims not being bombed
>>2260319remember when you said support communists instead of islamists?
where are the ukrainian communists, anon?
>>2260235The EU is one of the few places in the world where socialism is still a politically relevant force. Its destruction will be a victory foremost for billion dollar American corporations who will now be able to milk the cattle with even more impunity than before in the deregulated wonderland that the far-righters are peddling.
And a win for Russian imperialism as well, they'll be able to inch further into Eastern Europe.
>>2260368>PS>socialistyou're truly an irredeemable moron
>muh russian imperialismyou're the imperialist you stupid piece of shit
>>2260597Don't you have some oligarchs to suck off you nazi pig?
Getting more land won't fix your country.
>>2260652The EU is a reflection of the parties in charge of it.
>>2260658I have a hard-on for countries not invading their neighbors in 19th century style wars of conquest.
>>2260664Drool more.
>>2260623>everyone who refute russia as imperialist (aka anyone who can read and understand lenin) is russian>internal inequalities are in any way indicative of the imperialist character of a stateyou're truly retarded
>>2260648>delusional idiot still hasnt understood EU is the neoliberal project of the porkies of the US led western empire, and everything in it is made to prevent socialism and independence of europekeep supporting the very thing that cause the consequences you deplore, but dont come here to cry about it, because we gonna call you out on your total lack of comprehension of the political systems around you
Why are you talking about Russia? Russia isn't part of the EU. It's like you are obsessed.
The EU sucks and is a neoliberal project to the core. I like the idea of a pan-European union (where we could include even Russia, Belarus, Turkey, Georgia, Armenia, everyone basically) and the Schengen area in the sense that you can go and live anywhere in every country who are part of it without a visa, as long as you have the citizenship of any member state.
However, the Schengen area was not nice to Russian citizens who wanted to dodge the draft to the Ukrainian meat-grinder, and that sucks, and was even counterproductive for pro-Ukrainian libs. If you are outside of it, it might be pretty complicated to enter in it.
But more importantly, the EU economic treaties are above national laws, and these treaties support privatization of the industry among other neoliberal measures, you cannot escape it. The Eurozone is even worse because every member state has to manage their economy according to the whims of Germans, and that's the indirect reason why Greece has a six-day workweek now.
Sorry but if you want socialism, even the mildest form of it, or even Keynesian reforms to boost the industry (which aren't socialism), the EU has to go. We can always rebuild a pan-European union over its ashes, it would be foolish to not do so, but the EU as it exists is completely incompatible with socialism.
>>2238398>Le Pen is more communist despite being anti-communistI wish people who don't talk French or don't know anything about the history of the Front National would stop voicing their stupid opinions about her.
Marine Le Pen was born in one of the richest suburbs of Paris, Saint-Cloud.
Her father, Jean-Marie Le Pen, who founded the FN, was thoroughly pro-petite bourgeoisie, we used to call people like him "poujadistes". He tortured people in Algeria during the war of liberation. He was also pro-Reagan.
His daughter, Marine, sought to make the party more respectable, because her father couldn't help but say anti-semitic (not anti-zionist, straight up "da Joos" shit) out loud, and she changed the name of the party to Rassemblement National, but she is still pro-privatization, pro-business, there are very powerful people who wish she would get elected, like Vincent Bolloré, a billionaire who owns quite a few media outlets, and more importantly a large logistics conglomerate operating in Africa called Bolloré Logistics.
I could go on and on, but I need to run some errands, so I will just say this: I find it ironic that some self-described communists who are in favor of national liberation and cheer for the national bourgeoisies to become independent from the West, are cheering on a party that was founded by someone who tortured Algerians when they tried to get their independence. Think about it for more than two seconds.
>>2261228>In that case, any attempts at breakout is only a natural right.So you support European federalism then?
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>>2261953consistent multipolaroids should support Europe as a pole
>EU is le vassallol no
burgeroids can't even force EU to open their markets to their "food"
>>2255887It is so on the nose, how they got their marching orders and everytime a politico gets on TV they talk about this need to double the military budget as a matter of fact. With little to no pushback form the media, which them selves are also struggling to justify it.
Because just saying "teh Russians!" over and over only gets more retarded every time they have to follow it up with Ukraine war propaganda about how they are actually losing. And cop-speak reports of Israel's latest atrocity. Oh and of course, some innuendo about China. Then Trump threatening to rape our economy and them asking for more.
The cold war has flattened liberal politics but we have to pretend the resulting fascism has shades to it. And the insane response to this is ditching national politics and directing the public's eye to the USA's political theater, in hope of importing TDS like we are actually a powerless colony.
>>2262249europe will never be a pole while EU exist, europeans countries had way more independence and power before it existed. The foundation of EU is open market and capital circulation, and they also have contradicting interests between each others, which means it simply doesnt allow any sensible policy fitting of a big power.
>lol nolol yes. They are a vassal on the geopolitical stage and on the military level (just look how when US ask for more military budget to buy US weapons they immediately obey, and kneecap their economy through energy prices because of a proxy war staged by the US). They also took their tariffs without retaliation like good little bitches, and their finance sector is subservient to the US too.
They are a heavily subsidized agricultural power themselves with lots of regulations, so opening their food market means destroying a significant part of their economy, so ofc theres pushback, but if trump really wanted he could still make them kneel on this (and euros have kneeled already on allowing ukrainian grain which is indeed causing big problems for farmers).
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