>Following a terrorist attack in Pahalgam, Jamur and Kashmir on April 22 2025, tensions in India and Pakistan have escalated significantly. India has suspended the Indus Waters Treaty and revoked all visas for Pakistani nationals, prompting them to leave India. In response, Pakistan has rejected the suspension of the treaty, closed it's airspace for Indian airlines, and suspended trade with India. Diplomatic measures include declaring military attaches persona non-grata.
>>2240006I watched a few minutes of the jingoistic live broadcast of Republic World after the massacre of the Indian tourists in Kashmir and slogans were flashing across the screen like GLOBAL ANGER AGAINST PAKISTAN
PAKISTAN, YOUR TIME IS UP
INDIA DEMANDS REVENGE
REVENGE IS THE ONLY OPTION
IT'S TIME TO SETTLE THIS
#WeWantRevenge
Felt very manufactured, like Starship Troopers propaganda that starts spewing out right after the bug asteroid whacks them. India also cut off the water treaty. That treaty went untouched even during the full-scale wars of 1965 and 1971. The approximate volume allotted to Pakistan under the treaty represents ~25% of the nation's total annual water supply, and Pakistan is still a developing nation, so agriculture represents close to 25% of its annual GDP. Now, the fact that India moved to announce it wasn't going to abide by the treaty was announced so shortly in the wake of the attack, suggests this is a move Modi has been contemplating for some time.
>>2240006Thank you for making the thread, OP Anon. <3
=What is Indian media saying about Pahalgam attack?==
The Indian Express – In an editorial titled “In wake of Pahalgam attack, staying united, in grief – and healing”, the Delhi-based outlet said “accountability for the attacks should be fixed urgently”.
“Care must be taken by all to scrupulously eschew any rhetoric that might be seen as inflammatory – because any attempts to play on divides would only mean playing into the hands of the terrorist.”
The Hindu – The Hindu urged national unity while warning against “internal divisions that could threaten social cohesion”.
“India’s strategy must be guided by realism grounded in national interest and devoid of empty rhetoric as it seeks to isolate Pakistan,” it asserted.
Times of India – In its editorial “Hit ’em hard, smartly”, TOI called four further measures India could take against Pakistan that include military response that directly target the attackers; leveraging Gulf ties to cut Pakistan’s financial support; putting pressure on China, a close Pakistani ally, to rein in anti-India groups; and coordinating with the US to pursue sanctions on “Pakistani military elements that support terrorists”.
How is Pakistani media reacting to Kashmir attack?Dawn: The Karachi-based newspaper has called on the Pakistani government to “proceed with caution and prepare a calm yet firm response”.
While condemning the attack, Dawn also called on India to “look inwards and review its brutal rule in held Kashmir, which has bred immense discontent”.
“While de-escalation is the preferred course of action, India should also know that any misadventure will be met by Pakistan resolutely,” it added.
The News: An editorial said the reaction from the Indian media and political elite was neither mature nor responsible.
“In a disturbing repeat of past patterns, sections of the Indian media … have been quick to blame Pakistan for the incident without a shred of credible evidence,” it said. “This knee-jerk blame game not only lacks integrity but dangerously fuels war hysteria in a region already brimming with tensions.”
The Express Tribune: The newspaper said the Pahalgam killings required “deep introspection for all”.
“It is neither a moment to react with emotions, nor to bring out skeletons in the cupboard,” it said, while urging India to avoid “a smear campaign against Pakistan”.
“The incident must come as an opportunity in disaster to read the broader canvas of terror.”
>>2240043Are you telling me India doesn't have high journalistic standards? Nothing I've ever seen from them would ever have led me to believe this to be the case.
I was just talking about this with someone, about when that stupid stick war broke out with China, how China completely supressed the news because they didn't want the situation to blow up, but India has 1000 Tucker Carlsons trying to make a quick buck by stoking outrage.
>>2240043What would the suspension of this treaty mean for Pakistan?It represents a threat from India that it could, if and when it chooses to, restrict the flow of water from the Indus, Jhelum and Chenab into Pakistan.
It does not mean that India plans to limit that flow immediately.
Even if it wanted to, it is unlikely that India could immediately stop the flow of water even though it has suspended its participation from the treaty.
This is because India has upstream reservoirs constructed on the western rivers, but their storage capacity cannot hold enough volumes of water to hold back water entirely from Pakistan. It is also high-flow season when ice from glaciers melts between May and September, keeping water levels high.
“The western rivers allocated to Pakistan carry very high flows, especially between May and September. India does not currently have the infrastructure in place to store or divert those flows at scale,” Hassaan F Khan, assistant professor of urban and environmental policy and environmental studies at Tufts University in the United States, told Al Jazeera.
However, if India were to try to stop – or cut – the water flow, Pakistan might feel the effects in seasons when water levels are lower. Pakistan relies heavily on the water from the western rivers for its agriculture and energy. Pakistan does not have alternative sources of water.
Pakistan has a largely agrarian economy, with agriculture contributing 24 percent to the country’s gross domestic product (GDP) and 37.4 percent to employment, according to Pakistan’s most recent economic survey published in 2024. The country’s statistics bureau says that the majority of the population is directly or indirectly dependent on the agriculture sector. According to the World Bank, the country’s current population is about 247.5 million.
>>2240024nobody would let south asian refugees out of the continent tbhq
they'd probably be killed out of hand on the borders with afghanistan, iran and myanmar
>>2240006Pakistan live fire drills announced for today and tomorrow.
Anyone know how long until the Vikrant arrives?
>>2240024700 nukes can wipe almost to 800 million people?? what the fuck, not even the NATO entire usable arsenal can wipe more than 60-40 million russians, while the use of 5% of the nuclear arsenal by those countries in a war can legit wipe out literally the population of russia times two or population of ukraine times eight.
This is legit fucking catastrophic, and that can affect every single country since not only india is heavily populous but as also radiation and global trade, which nobody will give attention since they think indians/pakistanis are subhumans.
>>2240220>Why do they hate eachother?british "people" took an extremely complex ethno-religious patchwork of the indian subcontinent and divided it on the basis of "eh it looks like these chaps over there are mozlems and these are hindoos, that should do - my afternoon tea awaits"
this is the result
>>2240223>Command & Conquer NewsThe shit they have where a bunch of old generals yell at the top of their lungs around the battle map is great. Including GENERAL BAKSHI who has a giant mustache ala a 19th-century British colonial officer. Only in India can you get away with that. It's usually "zoom call from hell" vibes though where there's like 14 guys all trying to shout over each other.
The live scenes are also done in shakey-cam style, swinging around to give, I assume, what they feel is a "real war feel." These pics are from India Today's coverage of the Ukraine war, but I was watching Republic World and they had a reporter inna woods … somewhere near the attack site in Kashmir … just swinging the camera around looking at trees (it didn't look anywhere near the attack site) and an occasional soldier who'd shout at them for getting too close. Or how about setting up a shot of the reporter THROUGH a tree? They can do that too.
It's batshit mental and I have no idea how the anchors and reporters don't pass out from overstimulation. Then in the studio there's a giant portrait of a saluting soldier behind the anchor and the words NATION FIRST
>>2240265It's pretty brilliant actually, telling people to scour speeches and press releases for hidden clues. It's literally encouraging people to bring our their inner schizo.
>>2240259Kinda feels like they saw Fox News and thought it was a little too subdued and needed more flash.
>>2240279i never got the notion how hindu gods are both supposedly omnipotent omnipresent universal concepts, but also always described as involved in some petty human drama or kung fu fighting against armies like it's supposed to be impressive for an omnipotent being
is it just the result of importing an abrahamic perspective into a pagan framework?
>>2240298yeah that's true, but at least the bible only has a few passages where yhwh's omnipotence and impersonality can be called into question, while the hindu canon is like (I've read Ramayana and Bhagavad Gita): our guys were dbz fighting and doing ancient indian politics and having sex and owning entire armies (wow!) but then I go to wikipedia and read about how Vishnu and Krishna are basically the universe and so on. I just wonder how that gets squared theologically, out of pure curiosity.
>>2240303I suppose that's true, if I was an omnipotent force of nature I'd do a little trolling
>>2240307Indra became a pig for shits and giggles.
> Once Indra, the king of heaven, committed some grievous mistake and as a result he was cursed by sage Narada to take birth on earthly planet as a hog. So, Indra became a hog and started living on earth. In due course of time he grew, got married and became the proud father of dozens of piglets. He even became the leader of the hog clan. Seeing his friends and family gave him deep pleasure.
>As time passed by the duration of the curse on Indra came to an end, but to the utter amazement of the denizens of heavenly planet Indra was not returning back. Since the throne of the heavenly kingdom could not be empty for a long time so the situation became too serious. Finally Narada personally decided to come and take Indra back. Indra was enjoying his hoggish life – playing with his wife and piglets, joking with his friends and enjoying the stool. Narada felt too bad for the king of the heaven, he immediately approached Indra and reminded him of his heavenly designation. Indra wasn’t impressed. He argued with Narada, “I am happy here with my friends and family members. My wife, my cute piglets all are dependent on me. If I leave then who will care for them.”
>Narada was shocked to hear that Indra was ready to forego the heavenly comfort and was contended to live as a hog. Out of compassion he severed his head and dragged him out of the wretched life which Indra thought was blissful.Apparently Shiva also became a pig but out of compassion for piglets? And so he wanted to let them suckle on his titties.
vidrel was worth listening to for anons to catch up.
>>2240466I'm thinking:
1. it was an place where boojies go vacationing.
2. there was a meeting going on in a public space which was targeted.
3. could just be pure chance.
A mix of any of these. It'd be interesting to know how many if any of the other deaths or wounded have work or interpersonal relationships with the two we know held positions.
>>2240367the bible actually quite strongly implies there at least
were other gods at some point.
>>2240803It's just hatred of Muslims.
Indians on average really REALLY fucking hate Muslims.
>>2241068If your takeaway from Pakistan's instability is "they deserve it" and not "how does imperialism, climate collapse and deb traps fuel this?", then you're a fascist.
That's literally how colonizers justified empire.
>>2241364My prediction for this whole nothingburger:
1. Chest thumping, treaty violations etc. from both Pakistan and India.
2. Minor (tiny) border skirmishes.
3. Actual military confrontation with Pakis is off the table (trust me on this one), so rando Moslems in India will be lynched to satiate Hindoo bloodthirst.
4. Bollywood will make a movie on it in some time.
>>2241050hindutvacels have some fucked up sex fetish directed towards muslims. look up "love jihad".
i don't even understand how right wing retards come up with such things. don't they have any self-awareness?
>>2241595What the fuck is this AI chatbot reply it doesn't even make any sense. You say that like anyone living in the West isn't already involved in doing pointless work in bullshit jobs.
>>2241590Wrong. Mao was correct. Nuclear Armageddon will be the great silver bullet destroying the capitalist system.
>>2241587Based Mao.
>>2240121>contrarian takeMore like fact. Millions of Hindoos die every year because of easily preventable causes. No way Indian porkies will greenlight a war where they have everything to lose over 20-odd tourists. The only reason this is even getting so much attention is because of the upcoming Bihar elections, for which Modi has already started campaigning.
>>2241604Capitalist wars bad. Socialist wars good.
Glad you understand.
>>2241867This is peak revolutionary defeatism.
Third worldist keyboard warriors die to uphold bourgeois rule while third world proles know what's up.
>>2240295hindu gods were never described as 'omnipotent' and 'omnipresent'. Similar to Greek/Roman gods, they are 'forces of nature'. But they absolutely take sides, do mistakes, squabble between them etc. The only omnipotent, omnipresent supreme thing in hinduism is 'Truth'. Everything else is fallible. It also does not help that hinduism does not have a single book like the Quran or Bible which clearly carves in stone certain things. With hinduism, one must spend some time with many texts (commentaries, epics, hymns etc) and look how it played out historically for one to get an idea what it is. That is also the reason why like 95% of Hindus don't really understand Hinduism either. And that is not necessarily a bad thing, when I see what cancerous reactionary movements Islam has been birthing over the years, thank fuck Hinduism and Buddhism did not reach that level. (yes I am aware of Hindutva, but Hindutva is effectively Saffron Jihad. They felt cucked by islamists, so they imitate them using hindu aesthetics. None of Hindutva's concepts and practice can be presented as 'authentically' hindu to any person who does understand hinduism)
>>2243036Isn't it more that since Hinduism is so old and has no central church like the Vatican in the first place, there's like 1000s of schools of Hinduism? It's kind of like trying to sum up Mormonism, JW, Catholic, Protestant, etc. as Christian. or Like Nation of Islam, Sufism, and Wahabism together as "Islam."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_atheismAlso the fact that each guru is basically a prophet. The level of spiritual authority of each guru is much higher than like a pastor for example.
>>2243042nope. Can't blame you to have believed this though. The main propagandist for hinduism in the West is ISCKON (those Hare Krishna guys), and ISCKON, true to their scummy cultish behaviour, twist and modify many Hindu texts to present Krishna as the 'Supreme Godhead' and that all Gods are subordinate to him. That is simply not true. In fact, Krishna is an avatar of Vishnu who is himself one of the 'Big Three' (Brahmha, Vishnu, Shiva).
My personal guess why ISCKON did this is because they had their eyes on recruiting the hippy spiritual typers in the West, and turning Krishna into the hippy's Jesus Christ was very convenient. ISCKON was created in 1966 after all, during the maoist phase of westerners, the Beatlemania etc
>>2241050that actually happens guys and gals
and it happens both ways
You folks find this ludicrous because you do not live among hindus and muslims. ut the goons of both sides have used circumcision as a way to figure out which one you are before gunning you down.
One good thing I am finding out from this Indo-Pak bullshitry is how Leftypollers have strong opinions on stuff they know nothing about.
>>2243125>Most of these 'gurus' have no authority among most Hindus though. Their crowds may look big but that is because India has a massive population. I am a Hindu, and while I have a few family members who follow this or that particular group/sect/cult (Brahma Kumari, Sai Baba, ISCKON etc), Yeah I know that their authority only extends to their own sect. Just pointing out that these gurus are like their own Joseph Smith(founder of Mormonism) or whatever basically. They have the spiritual authority to make their own spiritual proclamations. So yeah, just like Mormonism, the only Christians who consider Jospeh Smith to have authority are his followers, yet Mormons call themselves Christians. Also, now like after the protestant reformation, their are thousands of churches like Mormonism, which would've been considered heresy when the Catholic church had a tighter grip, but Hinduism never had a central authority, so there was never a Catholic church to decide what is officially heresy.
>the great majority adhere to none of these groups and the religion is effectively just attending prayers and fasting on religious festivals.Yeah that's most religious people of any religion. It's just a cultural ritual.
Also there's the stages of life in Hinduism and basically the end goal is to become a monk in retirement. You can't really say you're following the religion without renunciation and celibacy. All the stuff you do before renunciation is more like ethical guidelines to be a responsible member of society.
>>2243059>Hinduism is so oldthe Vedic religion is old
Modern Hinduism is a Vedic revival religion that began in the 1700s and gained steam in the 1800s as an anti-colonial and nationalist movement
>>2243179>the Vedic religion is oldI'm just using the word as it's popularly used today. I've read a lot of Swami Vivekananda and I don't remember him much using the word Hindu at all either although he did use it sometimes.
>The first Indian to use "Hinduism" may have been Raja Ram Mohan Roy in 1816–17.[51] By the 1840s, the term "Hinduism" was used by those Indians who opposed British colonialism, and who wanted to distinguish themselves from Muslims and Christians.[52] Before the British began to categorise communities strictly by religion, Indians generally did not define themselves exclusively through their religious beliefs; instead identities were largely segmented on the basis of locality, language, varna, jāti, occupation, and sect
>"Hinduism" is an umbrella-term,[56] referring to a broad range of sometimes opposite and often competitive traditions.[57] In Western ethnography, the term refers to the fusion,[note 5] or synthesis,[note 6][58] of various Indian cultures and traditions,[59][note 8] with diverse roots[60][note 9] and no founder.[19] This Hindu synthesis emerged after the Vedic period, between c. 500[20]–200[21] BCE and c. 300 CE,[20] in the period of the Second Urbanisation and the early classical period of Hinduism, when the epics and the first Puranas were composed.[20][21] It flourished in the medieval period, with the decline of Buddhism in India.[22] Hinduism's variations in belief and its broad range of traditions make it difficult to define as a religion according to traditional Western conceptions.[61]
>Hinduism includes a diversity of ideas on spirituality and traditions; Hindus can be polytheistic, pantheistic, panentheistic, pandeistic, henotheistic, monotheistic, monistic, agnostic, atheistic or humanist.[62][63] According to Mahatma Gandhi, "a man may not believe in God and still call himself a Hindu".[64] According to Wendy Doniger, "ideas about all the major issues of faith and lifestyle – vegetarianism, nonviolence, belief in rebirth, even caste – are subjects of debate, not dogma."[53]
>Because of the wide range of traditions and ideas covered by the term Hinduism, arriving at a comprehensive definition is difficult.[37] The religion "defies our desire to define and categorize it".[65] Hinduism has been variously defined as a religion, a religious tradition, a set of religious beliefs, and "a way of life".[66][note 1] From a Western lexical standpoint, Hinduism, like other faiths, is appropriately referred to as a religion. In India, the term (Hindu) dharma is used, which is broader than the Western term "religion," and refers to the religious attitudes and behaviours, the 'right way to live', as preserved and transmitted in the various traditions collectively referred to as "Hinduism."[67][68][69][c]
>The study of India and its cultures and religions, and the definition of "Hinduism", has been shaped by the interests of colonialism and by Western notions of religion.[70][71] Since the 1990s, those influences and its outcomes have been the topic of debate among scholars of Hinduism,[70][note 13] and have also been taken over by critics of the Western view on India >>2243810Last time a heccin' brootal tarraaroost attack in Kashmir turned into a media circus, Modi staged a "surgical strike" against "terrorist camps" in Balakot, Pakistan. Basically, no targets of significance were hit, an old Mig-21 was shot down by the Paki air force, India made a false claim of shooting down an F-16, and Pakistan made a false claim of shooting down a Su-30. In a friendly fire incident, the Indian air force shot down one of their own helicopters.
The whole thing was staged to placate Indians calling for war. I don't believe the air force even had any intention of bombing the designated targets. Indian media declared victory without any evidence, Bollywood made a movie about it, the public did a lot of patriotic posturing and anyone who questioned Modi's narrative was labeled an "anti-national".
Basically, both sides have an unspoken agreement to avoid war, even if it means staging shit and spreading fake news to satiate the bloodthirst of the general public. Which is why I'm all in on nothing ever happens. Pajeets and Mujeets are destined to a very slow, painful death at the hands of their respective states due to their own actions.
>>2243820damn, and they dar call Putin as Cucktin here
if only westoids knew what's on offer in South Asia lmao
>>2243917best case scenario
india and pakistan nuke each other
nepali maoists revolt, seize the government and immediately start expanding the maoist revolution to india and pakistan
>>2244022thats the red heaven im referring to, comrade
access to DPRK is so difficult for a good reason, the spirits of the illustrious forefathers shall not be disturbed by petty travelling soyness
What’s happened since the Pahalgam attack?• India suspended its participation in the Indus Waters Treaty.
• India also expelled Pakistani diplomats and recalled its own from the Pakistani capital.
• All visas for Pakistani nationals under the SAARC programme were revoked, and Pakistani citizens were ordered to leave. • The Attari-Wagah land border crossing was closed.
• A major military operation is continuing to hunt down the attackers in Kashmir, with Indian forces destroying several homes and issuing a media ban on live coverage.
• Pakistan hit back, saying it would suspend its participation in the Simla agreement, which underpins the ceasefire line in Kashmir. Pakistan also closed its airspace to India and halted all trade.
• Indian diplomats were expelled, visa services for Indian nationals were suspended, and Pakistan warned that any attempt to divert water flows would be an “act of war”. Staffing at India’s High Commission in Pakistan was also reduced.
• Pakistan has said it backs a “neutral” investigation.
>>2244029>thats the red heaven im referring to, comradeVery good, carry on. :)
>>2244060Indian navy carries out drill to ‘demonstrate readiness of platforms’India’s navy says it carried out exercises to “revalidate and demonstrate readiness of platforms, systems and crew for long range precision offensive strike”, without detailing where the drills took place.
The Indian Express newspaper on Sunday quoted a top government source as saying “there will be military retaliation” and officials “are discussing the nature of the strike”.
India’s PM Modi on Sunday reiterated his pledge that the Pahalgam victims “will get justice”.
“Terrorists and their patrons want Kashmir to be destroyed again. That is why such a big conspiracy was hatched,” he said in his monthly radio address to the nation.
>>2244239 i can guarantee you this is all tough talk and nothing will come out of it
indians and pakistanis bark at each other but very rarely bite, and definitely never nuclear bite
>>2244274???
I already pointed out both the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Ministry of Defense talking shit, dumbass. That's the real increase in the risk of war.
I do not take any other ministers seriously.
>>2244298please understand this is Indo-Pak tough talk, no action BS
Neither the 2 governments nor the 2 armies want to actually fight, they know they have too much to lose and both are woefully unprepared
>>2244298please understand this is Indo-Pak tough talk, no action BS
Neither the 2 governments nor the 2 armies want to actually fight, they know they have too much to lose and both are woefully unprepared
>>2245474That assumes everyone is thinking about this in a level headed and rational way, which as recent years have shown is a fallacy.
>>2245476There have been some border skirmishes in Kashmir last night, but details on how many people were killed or who started it are still vague
>>2246007"Nothing has happened, nothing happens, nothing will happen"
"If nobody is around when something didn't happen, nothing happened"
You're not funny.
Honestly repeating the same shit joke again and again in the same thread should be considered spam and reason for a ban at this point. A high percent of the last 20-30 posts are just this retard saying his same shitty unfunny joke.
I mean this is supposed to be a political discussion forum and we even have
>>>/siberia/ as a containment for these types.
Tourist's Zip-line Footage Captures Ongoing Terror Attack (Kashmir, India) https://www.reddit.com/r/AllThatIsInteresting/comments/1ka6cqx/tourists_zipline_footage_captures_ongoing_terror/
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>Rishi Bhatt, speaking to ANI, described the attack, saying, “…Firing started when I was ziplining…I did not realise this for around 20 seconds…I suddenly realised that a firing has started and people on the ground are being killed. I saw 5-6 people getting shot.”
>He further explained, “After about 20 seconds, I realised that it was a terrorist attack…He (the zipline operator) said 'Allahu Akbar' thrice, following which the firing started. I found out that men in two families ahead of us were asked their religion and shot in front of my wife and son. My wife and son were screaming. I unlatched my belt and jumped down, took my wife and son and started running away. We saw people hiding at a spot which was like a pit, so you could not spot someone easily there. We too hid there.”
>They went around person by person seeing who was Hindu and who was Muslim and if they were Hindu they executed them. They literally had men take their pants down to see if they were circumcized (Muslims are circumcized and Hindus aren't). >>2247027That's true.
Anyways, happening potential is intensifying.
From an article in Foreign Affairs, the U.S. magazine.
>The situation in Kashmir is more volatile than before. India’s hard-line policies under Modi and the imposition of direct central rule on Kashmir have fueled deep alienation in the Muslim-majority region. The recent massacre has reignited hostilities between India and Pakistan as Indian leaders and public figures call for revenge and Pakistani officials decry India’s policies in Kashmir.
>New Delhi could choose simply to attempt a quieter, covert form of retribution against Islamabad, but that is unlikely to satisfy a public that seems to want more concerted action. Overt military action remains a distinct possibility. In 2019, Qamar Javed Bajwa, then Pakistan’s army chief and de facto the most powerful decision-maker in the country, was looking to reconcile with India. By contrast, his successor, Asim Munir, is politically besieged and needs to demonstrate strength; he was already making belligerent statements about India’s actions in Kashmir a week before the April 22 terrorist attack. The Trump administration is not paying a great deal of attention to the region (it has yet to appoint ambassadors to either country, and relevant State Department officials have yet to be confirmed) and, unlike in 2019, it has no U.S. forces in nearby Afghanistan to worry about. It is unclear whether the United States will do much to help lower tensions today. With Modi’s rhetoric leaving little room for compromise, Pakistan’s military leadership under pressure to respond forcefully to any Indian strike, and China’s growing involvement in the region, events in Kashmir risk triggering uncontrollable escalation.[…]
>At the heart of the Kashmir crisis is a combustible mix of religious nationalism, authoritarian governance, and unresolved political grievances. Modi’s government claims to have returned “normalcy” to Kashmir when, in 2019, it stripped away the constitutional provisions that allowed the disputed territory a form of autonomy. The prime minister and his allies insisted that the move would better integrate the Indian-administered portion of Kashmir, then known as the state of Jammu and Kashmir, into the rest of the country and ensure stability and more rapid economic growth. But ideology drove the government’s Kashmir policy: Modi’s Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party had long wanted to eliminate the special status enjoyed by India’s only Muslim-majority state, more forcefully subject Kashmir to New Delhi’s control, and erode the distinctness of Kashmiri identity.
>Tourism in Kashmir has indeed increased in recent years, with many Indians drawn to its picturesque landscape. But the reality on the ground remains one of pervasive fear and violence. Kashmir has endured recurring militant attacks, including the killing in Pahalgam, and the continued imposition of draconian laws and heavy security deployments. The region’s Muslim-majority population, already alienated by three decades of conflict between Pakistani-backed separatists and Indian security forces, has found itself further disenfranchised and disempowered by the 2019 transformation of Kashmir from a state with a special constitutional status into a union territory directly governed by India’s federal government. The move also opened the region to property purchases by nonresidents, raising concerns about demographic changes and the loss of local control. Authorities have imposed near-total control over information, weakened local governance, and created an environment where dissent is stifled, leaving the region more unstable and less governable.
>These policies have fueled a sense of siege, as have years of security clampdowns, curfews, communication blackouts, and the detention of Kashmiri political leaders. Local elections were suspended for five years. Unsurprisingly, local support for the Indian government has all but dried up, making it harder for security and intelligence services to collect the kind of information that could have headed off this month’s attack.
>Modi’s approach to Kashmir is inseparable from his broader political strategy, in which he projects strength as a Hindu nationalist strongman, promises violent retribution against enemies, and seeks to rally domestic support through exploiting moments of national security crisis. Indian officials have framed both the 2019 airstrikes and the “surgical strikes” of 2016—when, according to New Delhi, Indian troops raided militant “launch pads” in Pakistani-held territory after attacks on Indian security forces—as decisive blows against cross-border terrorism. In truth, they had far more political utility than strategic consequence.[…]
>In a memoir published in 2023, former U.S. Secretary of State Mike Pompeo revealed that India and Pakistan came perilously close to a nuclear exchange in February 2019 after India’s airstrikes inside Pakistan, with both sides reportedly preparing for escalation until urgent U.S. intervention helped defuse the crisis. During his election rallies that spring, Modi repeatedly invoked nuclear themes, boasting that India had “called Pakistan’s nuclear bluff” and suggesting that India’s own nuclear arsenal was not just “kept for Diwali,” the Hindu festival in which people set off fireworks. He used such nuclear saber rattling to demonstrate his government’s toughness.
>But now, Modi’s rhetoric has boxed him in. Having set a precedent, he faces intense public and political pressure to respond forcefully to each new attack, even when India’s options are limited or risky. The government’s incessant focus on punishing Pakistan—stirred by hypernationalist Indian media coverage—rather than on crafting a coherent long-term strategy with specific requests of its neighbor has narrowed the space for de-escalation and left New Delhi with few tools except coercion by military means.
>India will likely initiate cross-border artillery or missile strikes, airstrikes on suspected militant targets, or even limited ground incursions across the line of control (the unofficial border between the Indian- and Pakistani-administered parts of Kashmir), actions intended to be forceful yet fall below the threshold of full-scale war. But they could lead to escalation, prompting immediate Pakistani reprisals, such as retaliatory shelling, airstrikes, or even larger conventional operations, with the ever-present risk of miscalculation triggering broader conflict and, worse, posturing with nuclear weapons.
>On the other side of the border, Pakistan is mired in a severe political and economic crisis, with its military, the country’s most powerful institution, deeply unpopular and its most popular political leader, the former prime minister Imran Khan, languishing behind bars. The military could use conflict with India over Kashmir to shore up its legitimacy, as it has often done in recent decades. Munir, Pakistan’s army chief, is under pressure to restore the military’s credibility. He is more likely to respond forcefully to Indian actions than his predecessor, Bajwa, who hoped to forge friendly ties with Modi’s India but failed. Pakistan military’s doctrine of “quid pro quo plus” retaliation means that any Indian strike, no matter how limited, will be met with a response designed to inflict equal or greater pain. That imperative risks fueling rapid uncontrollable escalation.[…]
>The most dangerous scenario is one in which an Indian military response provokes a stronger Pakistani counterstrike, setting off a chain reaction that neither side can easily control. With both countries on high alert and nationalist sentiment running hot, the risk of miscalculation or accidental escalation is far greater than analysts and the public seem to understand. In the worst-case scenario, this could rapidly spiral into a full-fledged war shadowed by the threat of the use of nuclear weapons and the prospect of catastrophic destruction across South Asia. That the 2019 crisis ended peacefully is no guarantee that the next one will as well. Nuclear-armed states cannot depend on luck to head off a potentially calamitous escalatory spiral.https://www.foreignaffairs.com/india/india-and-pakistan-are-perilously-close-brink>>2249357Reminder that nothing will happen.
t. Pajeet
>>2249357The US is backing Pakistan's calls for an investigation and rejecting India's conclusion that Pakistan did it because they need Pakistan to invade Iran
>>2249475Modi has apparently decided to distract from the Pakistan issue by announcing he will do a caste census which his party and supporters are massively against because they know it'll result in an increase of the legally mandated affirmative action positions for lower castes
>>2250783Currently airing vidrel
and NO, I didn't skip anything, this is literally how their channel runs, they abrupted two shows like that out of nowhere.
>>2253659This is all Cucktin's fault.
Fuck you Cucktin.
I spit on your grave Cucktin.
Goodbye BRICS.
>>2255262iran is overrated
they got one shot by the gay greek Alexander, USA will annihilate them without even trying
>Prime Minister Narendra Modi has made it clear that the decision to put a freeze on the Indus water treaty that stopped the supply to Pakistan, will not be reversed, saying "India's water will be used for India's interests".
>Speaking at an ABP Network event this evening, PM Modi said, "These days, there is a lot of discussion in the media about water… Earlier, even the water that was India's right was flowing out of the country. Now, India's water will flow for India's benefit, it will be conserved for India's benefit, and it will be used for India's progress".
I dunno if pakistan can actually give them anything for them to back off, and they likely wouldnt want to anyway. Additionally im sure trump admin would be happy to create trouble for china and brics and pressure india by helping pakistan so it seems likely to go to a limited war at minimum.
>>2256402Actual India troll farms? India is notorious for fucking with Internet access.
>>2256370I… kind of expected India to dare Pakistan into attacking.
>>2256411They didn't suspend the water treaty before, and promptly declare it's permanent and start fucking with water flow.
It's absolutely war.
>>2256414>Actual India troll farmsIt's not troll farms or whatever it's just actual indians.
There's just millions and millions of indians on the western internet compared to 10 years ago, while paki internet is very censored and there are fewer
>>2256428I DONT FEEL SAFE IN THIS WORLD NO MORE
I DONT WANT TO DIE IN A NUCLEAR WAR
I WANT TO SAIL AWAY TO A DISTANT SHORE
AND MAKE LIKE AN APEMAN
>>2256426>Pakistani army is half the Indian one>there's still a financial crisis>both sides have nukes>India just started torpedoing Pakistan's agriculture, which is their economic backboneI don't blame Pakistan for not openly gunning for it, but this is an existential crisis for them, and they
have to fight. History will remember this as the first open Water War.
>>2256423Yeah, they probably do it for free.
FOR FREE >>2256426This summer…
Get to experience…
A nuclear war…
Where nothing ever happens.
>>2256470Is it some mainstream dumbass opinion that multipolarity gud, because it would be more peaceful, or are you rewriting history?
I definitely remember saying that there can't be another 1917, without another 1914.
At a press conference on Tuesday, Trump was asked if he had a reaction to the latest attack.
“It's a shame. We just heard about it as we were walking in the doors of the oval. Just heard about it. I guess people knew something was going to happen based on a little bit of the past. They've been fighting for a long time. They've been fighting for many, many decades. And centuries, actually, if you think about it. I hope it ends very quickly,” the US president said.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/trumps-first-reaction-to-indias-operation-sindoor-in-pakistan-hope-it-ends-101746566115091-amp.html>>2256479I'm doing my revolutionary proletarian duty by siding with pakistan because:
QUAD
Territorial disputes with Socialist China
India makes up a bulk of western friendshoring, for instance apple is moving there from sanctions right now
Hijabis are cute
I don't care about who kashmir "belongs" to because i'm not spooked
>>2256522 (me)
Forgot da embed
>>2256525Freak the fuck out and go RIGHT NOW panic buy 200 cans of beans and 40 gallons of water stock up on essentials at the pharmacy get potassium iodide capsules
It's fucking over
>>2256568Predictive programming…
Remember, you are watching a movie.
>>2256599Oh shit
Oh shit this might actually be for real this time
>>2256622If you take what Mao said seriously, its based and true.
If you take what Mao said as him just joking, its fucking hilarious.
Bro literally didn't miss.
>>2256633Goswami is really excited. Go full screen! Ka-BOOOOM. He gave a little speech about how leaders around the world wanting to emulate Israel can now emulate INDIA because New Delhi is showing strength and powaahhh
Then he cut to a reporter in a turban reporting LIVE in front of a burning… something… somewhere in Kashmir purportedly caused by Pakistani fire, and then the reporter got grabbed and dragged off by Indian soldiers.
>>2256687a plane just flew over my house
very loud
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