>Following a deadly terrorist attack in Pahalgam, Kashmir, that resulted in 26 fatalities, India has retaliated with 'Operation Sindoor', targeting nine terrorist camps in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied territories. This operation marks a significant escalation in the ongoing tensions between the two nations. Pakistan, in response, has heightened its emergency measures and reported shooting down two Indian jets, intensifying the military confrontation. International reactions and calls for peace are noted, amidst growing concerns over regional stability.
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Panic on the streets of Birmingham
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I wonder to myself
Hopes may rise on the Grasmere
But, Honey Pie, you're not safe here
So you run down to the safety of the town
But there's panic on the streets of Carlisle
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I wonder to myself
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It says nothing to me about my life
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Because the music they constantly play
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Provincial towns you jog 'round
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>>2256718Tell me more about this support.
Are we talking foot soldiers, aid shipments, financing, what?
>>2256750I'm not pro-BRICS. I am pro socialist china.
A crippled india equals weaker opposition to chinese socialist influence in east asia. QUAD? Gone. Friendshoring? Fucked. The choice of who to provide FULL SUPPORT to on the internet is obvious
>>2256705All Real Communists Critically Support the Anti-Zionist “Islamic Republic of Pakistan” in their valiant struggle to liberate the Oppressed Nation of Kashmir from Hindu Nationalist Zionist Fascist Indian Settler-Colonialism (the attack on the Pahalagam Zionist Hindu Nationalist Indian Settler-Colonialist “tourists” was a False Flag attack staged by Indian security forces to “justify” the Genocide of Kashmir, just like the Zionist State allowed the October 7th attack, which was itself possibly a De Facto False Flag attack orchestrated by Mossad agents inside of Hamas, to happen on purpose, and ordered the IDF to slaughter their own Zionist Fascist Settler-Colonialist compatriots with Apache Attack Helicopters at the Music festival, as prescribed by the “Hannibal Directive”, in order to provide a Casus Belli for the Zionist Genocide of Gaza, with this also being similar to previous well known False Flag attacks like 9/11 and the 1999 Moscow Apartment bombings, which were used to “Justify” the Genocidal U$ Imperialist Invasions of Afghanistan/Iraq and the Genocidal Russian Imperialist Invasion of Chechnya, respectively), which will hopefully escalate into a limited Nuclear War between India and Pakistan that will be the most Historically Progressive event for the Indian Subcontinent (and one of the most for the entire world), which will allow the Naxalites to finally win their Maoist PPW and establish a Federation of Socialist States in the Indian Subcontinent (The Comprador Bourgeois Capitalist States of India and Pakistan will both be overthrown by Maoist PPWs and Balkanized into the Hindustani SFSR, Kashmiri SSR, Punjabi SSR, Pashtun SSR, Balochi SSR, Sindhi SSR, Gujarati SSR, Marathi SSR, Konkani SSR, Kannada SSR, Malayalam SSR, Tamil SSR, Telugu SSR, Odia SSR, Bengali SSR, Nepali SSR, Assamese SSR, Khasi SSR, Mizo SSR, Manipuri SSR, Ao SSR, and Nissi SSR, that will all join the Global USSR, as shown in the Map I posted), which combined with World War III escalating into a Global Nuclear War that will destroy the entire Global Capitalist-Imperialist System, thus allowing for a World Maoist PPW to create a Global USSR (the Map I posted shows all of the SSRs and SFSRs of the future Global USSR) that will Place the Workers and Oppressed Nations of the World on the Shining Path to Communism, ✊😜🇨🇳🇰🇵🇨🇺🇵🇸🏳️🌈🏳️⚧️🚀☢️!
>>2256779I think another thing to consider is how the Modi cult of personality is expressed in India. I don't know a lot, but from what I've seen, Modi is presented by BJP media as this Great Statesman who other world leaders respect as a symbol of multipolarity. That's a very important thing.
>Modi is effectuating a multidimensional and astute geopolitical orchestra consolidating India's diplomatic ascendancy and the dream of the Aatmnirbhar Bharat! (A self-sufficient India.)This is all very "India First," and so when Trump or Putin want to hang out with Modi, that's because Modi is great and that makes India great. I reckon that is what ~multipolarity~ looks like in its way. India does have a relationship with the U.S. to counter China, but India notably didn't sanction Russia and has a strategic partnership, and Modi was going to go to the Victory Day parade but cancelled (because he was about to start A FREAKING WAR). It's a noticeable thing that Indians on the internet were very pro-Russian vis-a-vis the war in Ukraine.
I remember Vijay Prashad giving a talk that went viral where he was criticizing Global North countries for demanding limits on carbon emissions without factoring in the development needs of countries such as India. He had a good point, he said in effect, "let's see you make your own buckets and bolts and watch your carbon emissions rise, but we in the Global South are tired of being lectured to." And he said soon after in an interview (I remember this) where he was suddenly getting calls from Hindutva / BJP nationalists who were praising him for saying that. Even though he's a Marxist.
Another thing is that Modi faced a setback in the last general election, which deprived the BJP of a majority so this escalation of war could also be an attempt to rally the public and saber-rattle for clicks and also I guess pass some more draconian laws because you know "they learned it from watching you Dad" (i.e. U.S., Israel, Russia)
China called on both India and Pakistan to exercise restraint and put peace and stability first, its foreign ministry said in response to the military escalation between the South Asian countries.
The Chinese ministry said in a statement it regrets India's military action and is concerned about the current situation.
https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-852954Anonymous source claim by wapo. These are scarce and hard to find
The west seems to have very shitty reporting and limited resources in these 2 countries. We are being dominated by India and pakistan lying about eachother
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/06/india-strikes-pakistan-war-kashmir/>>2256918India is an arm of the US in the same way as China was an arm of the US when they were useful for beating the USSR.
The US is weaker than ever and is in no way able to push India around.
>>2256973>Pakistan is a major glowie hotspotThe timing is interesting and Pakistan has also claimed Indian agents have been financing Baloch separatists, and the Pakistan army was holding press conferences in the past few days with slideshows on purported Indian glowie links to those guys. These attacks have also claimed the lives of Chinese workers and hit Chinese projects in Balochistan.
Are there Indian ties to the Balochs? Hell if I know. There was also a bad attack recently where the ~30 Baloch insurgents hijacked a train and all died in a shootout. Pakistan also claims it has nothing to do with the attack on the zip liners in Kashmir, but the glowie operations are probably so compartmentalized that one of the Pak glowie organs or some sub-faction within could have retaliated for perceived Indian glowie ops without other organs or the military having any knowledge. And that's before you add the firehose of propaganda on top of these events, which creates so much confusion.
>>2256718I hate this guy and his grifter bullshit that shitcoats communism with RW social values and petty bourgeois nonsense at the worst time in human history, but having read the entire thing, I was having similar feelings in these regards:
1. JD Vance visited and then this started
2. It's a pincer movement to fuck up China at a time when they're making rapid progress not just in outpacing the US developmentally, but in green tech (fusion).
3. BJP is hyper reactionary and India is indeed the most unstable BRICS member similar to how Turkey is the most unstable NATO member
Here are feelings that are not echoed in this grifter's shitter screed:
4. Climate change is making us RUN OUT OF TIME to commit to world revolution.
5. the US is nowhere near organized enough to do a successful revolution against the US govt.
6. China, for all its "revisionist faults" or "national characteristics" depending on how you frame it, is important to realize is the least bad country right now and the only country 1 decade ahead on the Paris climate accords which the west has entirely abandoned, particularly the United States.
7. Every year that the imperial core proletariat go without overthrowing their own order from within, is another year that capitalist crashout and genocidal policies and climate rape get worse, at a time where we already have <50 more years at best to fix all this.
8. There's a good chance that humanity has already lost. We might not recover from this century. We might not ever escape this mode of production except to go backwards in history. This might be our final evolutionary bottleneck. We might be stuck on this rock until we go extinct. There's billions of other galaxies and the only cope left is that something out there figures out the whole communism. thing. it's looking really bleak.
9. Workers
of the world unite…
>>2257148apparently its a disadvantage in radar capacities
but thats coming from an open propaganda account.
India Strikes Pakistan but Is Said to Have Lost Jets
Officials and witnesses said that at least two Indian aircraft had crashed after India struck Pakistani targets, escalating the conflict between the nuclear powers.
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/06/world/asia/india-pakistan-attacks.html>>2257295i'm kind of confused about who to support. india is brics-pilled but seems too flirty with the US/West and Isntreal. Pakistan is in good with China but also is run by a puppet regime of scumbags that coup'd Imran Khan for the CIA and sends weapons to ukraine.
I want to suppoooort but can't decide who
>>2257304it only makes sense to not support any one of them and enjoy the drama
But I see leftypol has rose-tinted glasses when it comes to Pakistan
After thorough and very serious consideration and analysis, I've come to the conclusion that leftypol should back Pakistan. The main reason is that it will produce a higher volume of seething and cope due both to India's higher population and the fact that they've won all previous conflicts with Pakistan.
>>2257223Holy shit that's cringe. I guess the Maoists were right when they talked shit on the CPI. Sorry I doubted you jungle bois.
>>2257349>I was already pretty sure given that Pakistan is an artificial nation that owes its existence to imperialismOh it is, a socialist India should annex Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Nepal. But Modi isn't going to do anything like that so the outcome of this conflict seems pretty irrelevant as long as nobody is nuked. It will be a slap fight followed by a white peace.
>but your endorsement basically confirms it’s favored by the western leftI guess you support Ukraine then too.
>>2257356'coexisted' my ass
You westerners have adopted this new fad where you re-interprete every empire in history with great communal tensions as "they coexisted peacefully".
NO. One side had to shut the fuck up and take it in the ass else they would be wiped out.
>>2257330>muh israeli obsession yeah India's support for Israel is cringe af but do you folks even know what Pakistan is?
You do realise Pakistan is more reactionary than anything the retarded Hindutva nationalists have managed to do, right?
>>2257373which is why we must send full sapport to india bombing pakistani children
YES SAAR
>>2257417Good guys: China
Bad guys: Anyone not voicing critical support for China
>>2257419good point, I am not voicing support for India
I am just pointing out those rooting for Pakistan their delusions
It really is a reactionary islamist vs Jingo nationalist conflict. Trying to pick sides here as a communist is insane.
Some 'leftists' support Pakistan because China does it. They are idiots who cannot understand it is plain realpolitik: China and Pakistan both have border rdisputes with India, and thus support each other. There is no 'communist/Marxist' aspect in the China-Pak relationship, it is pure pragmatism.
>>2257416I am African
so islamists are not fascists? and those who call out islamists as fascists are themselves the fascists??
>>2257425the opposite is true
I do not see much support for India on leftypol at all. which is good. I cannot however understand the support for Pakistan
>>2257435Islamism is not 2 billion Muslim people you moron
Islamism specifically means those ultra-reactionary groups in the muslim community (al-qaeda, ISIS etc)
>>2257435Islamist =/= Muslim. A Muslim is a person who adheres to the faith of Islam. An Islamist is a person who thinks that national governments should adhere to Islam as a matter of policy. Their closest Western equivalent would be a Christian nationalist.
>>2257436That does seem more likely, but I would consider that a specific defect of his administration, one borne mainly out of irrational personal and ideological affinity than any strategic consideration. In all likelihood the foreign policy and intelligence establishment still regards Pakistan as a relatively friendly country.
>>2257440Interesting to note, but their friendship with India is far older and more extensive. India is one of the primary markets for Russian oil since the SMO, and they're apparently serving as one of the main ways to evade the sanctions and sell oil to the West. They're also probably the biggest foreign customer for Russian arms. No doubt Russia will try to remain neutral.
>>2257451pretty sure they do this on purpose
Had some leftypolers say it is reactionary to criticise ISLAMISM while the Palestinian genocide is happening.
It goes to show you they do not understand there are 2 billion muslims in the world, spread over vast area, speaking different languages, with different political currents in each country.
>>2257454>Had some leftypolers say it is reactionary to criticise ISLAMISM while the Palestinian genocide is happening.It's especially absurd to apply this to countries thousands of kilometers away which are not experiencing a genocide or foreign attack of any kind.
>>2257456Based. Pretty disgusted by the CPI's blatant opportunism here. They don't even give an acknowledgement of the horrific conditions in Kashmir which are fueling the insurgency.
>>2257460>proof this is real?It is.
Straight from the opportunists' mouth:
https://cpim.org/on-operation-sindoor/ >>2257466nobody is ever "up" for revolution. history forces them into it. conditions reach a point where the high risk and low incentive of revolution becomes preferable to letting things continue the way they are going. Bolshevik revolution didn't happen because all the workers in Russia read Marx and Lenin, it happened because the Tsar shut down several Dumas in a row, WW1 killed millions of people for Capitalist profit, and the provisional govt. under Kerensky did insufficient reforms and refused to end WW1. Even under these incredibly dire circumstances, revolution
still wasn't certain until Lenin returned, wrote the April Theses, and pushed the party to overthrow the provisional government. And even then, everything the Bolsheviks did was based on the failed assumption that the revolution would go international. Once it did not, the USSR was forced to be a lone socialist fortress in a world of capitalist nations, which doomed it (far more than the question of Stalin vs. Trotsky or Lenin having a stroke) to eventual vanguard party degeneration/re-liberalization.
>>2257489>India is the weak link of BRICS and if it comes to itEvery country in BRICS except the C
is a weak link. They are all literally only bound to China economically.
India has been destroying kashmiri people home for weeks who have nothing to do with conflict and harassing them with their police
https://thediplomat.com/2025/05/after-pahalgam-india-has-a-new-kashmir-strategy-collective-punishment/To avenge the killing of the 26 tourists shot in Pahalgam, a tourist spot in Kashmir, authorities allegedly planted controlled explosives in the family homes of anti-India rebels, which they later detonated. Explosions occurred on April 24, 25, 26 and 27. The blasts have also impacted homes of neighbors who had no connection whatsoever with the alleged anti-India rebels.
“No one has ever harassed us. But after the Pahalgam attack, the army came and blew up our house. This is the first time something like this has happened in this area,” said Mansha Tedwa, cousin of Farooq Tedwa.
“We have had no contact with him since the day he left. If you wanted to kill him, why was our house blown up?”
A former Indian Army commander told The Diplomat that this will only alienate Kashmiris more. “It is the worst strategy that could have been used to tackle the situation. This will only push more people towards violence. This tactic will prove to be counterproductive and violates human rights,” he said. The former commander emphasized how the demolition of family homes may even create more insurgents.
Beyond the demolitions, many families’ sons have been detained in what is being labeled a crackdown on Kashmiris. Almost 1,500 Kashmiris have been rounded up by security forces for questioning in relation to the attack – apparently an attempt to show muscle after the Modi government had admitted to a security lapse in the recent Pahalgam attack during a closed-door all-party meeting.
Now, common Kashmiris whose family members may or may not have direct involvement in the April 22 attack have become the victims of state-sanctioned vengeance.
>>2257509Probably hoping india could be a wedge between russia and china.
India isnt worth it tho
> In March 2022, a poll coordinated by Palacký University Olomouc found that 73% of Chinese citizens held favourable views of Pakistan, placing it behind only Russia in that regard.[16]
>When I was young, I heard many touching stories about Pakistan and the friendship between our two countries. To name just a few, I learned that the Pakistani people were working hard to build their beautiful country, and that Pakistan opened an air corridor for China to reach out to the world and supported China in restoring its lawful seat in the United Nations. The stories have left me with a deep impression. I look forward to my upcoming state visit to Pakistan.
>— Xi Jinping, President of China before his 2015 visit to Pakistan, [37]
In July 2019, Pakistan was one of 50 countries that backed China's policies in Xinjiang, signing a joint letter to the UNHRC commending China's "remarkable achievements in the field of human rights", claiming "Now safety and security has returned to Xinjiang and the fundamental human rights of people of all ethnic groups there are safeguarded.[45][46]
In November 2019, Pakistan was one of 54 countries that signed a joint statement supporting China's Xinjiang policies.[47]
In June 2020, Pakistan was one of 53 countries that backed the Hong Kong national security law at the United Nations.[48]
According to Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, Pakistan is China's biggest arms buyer, counting for nearly 61% of Chinese arms exports.[50] Since 1962, China has been a steady source of military equipment to the Pakistani Army, helping establish ammunition factories, providing technological assistance and modernising existing facilities.[51]
China is the largest investor in Pakistan's Gwadar Deep Sea Port, which is strategically located at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz.[54] It is viewed warily by both the U.S. and India as a possible launchpad for the Chinese Navy, giving them the ability to launch submarines and warships in the Indian Ocean. China has recently pledged to invest nearly 43 billion US dollars.[55][56]
At the time of 2022-2023 Pakistani economic crisis, China was the only country that continues to provide loans. China has lent Pakistan more than 2 billion US dollars to prop up its collapsing economy.[79][80
In March 2025, China rolled over a $2 billion loan to Pakistan as part of efforts to stabilize the country's economy. This move supported Pakistan's financial recovery after receiving a $7 billion IMF bailout in September 2024. The loan rollover was crucial as Pakistan faced a significant repayment schedule, needing to pay over $22 billion in external debt for the fiscal year 2025, including nearly $13 billion in bilateral deposits.[82]
"Pakistan is China's Israel"
- Xiong Guangkai, Chinese General
According to a Pew survey of Pakistani public opinion in 2010, 84 per cent of respondents said they had a favourable view of China and 16 per cent had a favourable view of the United States.[90] Similarly, the Chinese state-run media has portrayed Pakistan in a favourable light in regional issues. In 2013, this figure increased to 90% of Pakistanis having a favourable view of China.[91]
Pakistan, with its strategic position, natural resources and warm-water ports, has long been an ally of Beijing. The Chinese see the south Asian state, the closest they have to a friend both in south Asia and in the Islamic world, as important to the security and development of their western, predominantly Muslim provinces, and as a useful aide in efforts to counter the influence of India. In recent years, links have grown closer.
The Guardian[96]
if there were recriminations they were not made public. Indeed China's ties with Pakistan, which were established during Mao's rule and are based on shared hostility towards India, thrive on many common interests. A long history of secret deals between their two armies–overrides the problems with Islamic extremism.
Andrew Small, the author of The China-Pakistan Axis: Asia's New Geopolitics[101]
>>2257549>The United States has cultivated India as a partner in countering China, while Beijing has deepened its investment in its advocacy and patronage of Pakistan as India has grown closer to the United States..“The U.S. is now central to India’s security interests, while China increasingly plays a comparable role in Pakistan,” said Ashley Tellis, a former diplomat who is a senior fellow at the Carnegie Endowment for International Peace.
>As India now takes military action against Pakistan, it has had the United States on its side more forcefully than ever in recent years
>For its part, China has led public support for Pakistan, describing it as an “ironclad friend and all-weather strategic cooperative partner.”
>“If you think about what a future conflict between India and Pakistan might look like, it would increasingly look like India fighting with U.S. and European platforms and Pakistan fighting with Chinese platforms,” said Lyndsey Ford, a former senior U.S. defense official who is currently a senior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation America. “The close security partners of both countries have evolved significantly in the last decade.”
>Beijing, which was the source of only 38 percent of Pakistan’s weapons in the mid-2000s, has provided about 80 percent over the past four years, according to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, which closely studies global weapons flows.
>At the same time, India has slashed its dependence on Russian weapons by more than half. Between 2006 and 2010, about 80 percent of India’s major weapons came from Russia. Over the past four years, that figure has fallen to about 38 percent, with more than half of Indian imports coming from the United States and allies like France and Israel. >Washington has provided intelligence and even material support to India, a major U.S. ally in the region, in its clashes with China along the disputed Sino-Indian border. If the United States provides similar support to India during this conflict, it could compel China to step in and back its regional ally, Pakistan. Consequently, navigating a balancing role in this situation will be challenging for China. U.S. Intel Helped India Rout China in 2022 Border Clash: Sources
>A previously unreported act of intelligence-sharing prevented another deadly standoff in disputed Himalayan territory and rattled the Chinese government, sources sayhttps://www.usnews.com/news/world-report/articles/2023-03-20/u-s-intel-helped-india-rout-china-in-2022-border-clash-sources
>The United States responded to the 2020 border crisis by extending full diplomatic and material support for India. The United States provided information and intelligence and expedited delivery of equipment, including two MQ-9B surveillance drones and specialized gear for extreme cold weather conditions. The Biden administration in its October 2022 National Defense Strategy notes that it will support its allies and partners when they face “acute forms of gray zone coercion from the PRC’s campaigns to establish control over the East China Sea, Taiwan Strait, South China Sea, and disputed land borders such as with India,”2 signaling that support for New Delhi in a potential fresh border crisis with Beijing would be forthcoming.https://www.cnas.org/publications/reports/india-china-border-tensions-and-u-s-strategy-in-the-indo-pacific American right wing think tank published this now
https://www.aei.org/op-eds/india-must-now-embrace-israels-operation-wrath-of-god/According to the 2011 Global Go To Think Tank Index Report (Think Tanks and Civil Societies Program, University of Pennsylvania), AEI is number 17 in the "Top Thirty Worldwide Think Tanks" and number 10 in the "Top Fifty United States Think Tanks".[69] As of 2019, the American Enterprise Institute also leads in YouTube subscribers among free-market groups.[70]
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Enterprise_Institute>Narendra Modi, the Indian prime minister, had been expected to attend Russia’s Victory Day parade in Red Square, Moscow, but has cancelled the trip because of the escalating tensions with Pakistan, Indian media is reporting.
>At least one of the Indian Air Force fighter jets allegedly shot down by Pakistan overnight was a French Rafale, a high-ranking official in France has told CNN.
>This would be the first time one of the advanced French-made warplanes had been lost in combat. Pakistan claimed earlier to have shot down five Indian jets, three of which were Rafales.
>Shehbaz Sharif, the prime minister of Pakistan, has vowed that India will pay for “every last drop of blood” spilt in Tuesday night’s “cowardly” attacks. “Maybe they were thinking we would step back, but they forgot this is a nation of the brave,” he said in a televised address.
>Kaja Kallas, the EU’s foreign policy chief, says the India-Pakistan situation is very concerning and that the EU is trying to mediate and reduce tensions.
>India’s government ordered civil defence drills to be carried out across the country. Volunteers showed members of the public how to help the injured, find a safe place to hide and how to follow evacuation protocols for hospitals and schools.
>>2257620Hmmm Trump's
rhetoric (and I mean only his rhetoric) seems to be in direct opposition to Hegseth on this one and closer to China's position.
>>2257304why the fuck some retards feel they need to support something
try to at least get a grasp of the situation and understand whats going on first, and then you can decide neither side are worth any support whatsoever
>>2257658Terminal /sp/ectator brain, which shits up these geopol threads. Plus, I live rent free in (apparently everyone's) heads, and I already said I ain't supporting India. Inevitably, the ""anti-campist"" brain donors bust in to talk about a non-existent third camp, and what imperialism
really means, before getting clapped out of the thread to whine elsewhere.
>>2257693>kinks in an arranged marriagebeyond grim
it has to be either a joke or engagement bait
>>2257679a sandinista is a retard
a retard is a sandinista
>>2257776Usually questions aren't quite so removed from the reality of practice than questions of "support", which is basically boil down to "if I had a genie which could improve the military situation of one side over another, which if any should I pick?"
Even lessor-evilism when it comes to >voting is less abstracted from practical politics. It also leads to the same problems of forgetting you can do different things than merely supporting one side or another (if you ever are in the position to do anything).
>>2257771You made me test out and 9 out of 10 we were from quoted news storiesabout the conflict, most famously how this thing started:
>India accuses Pakistan of SUPPORTIMG terrorism.Now stop being a retarded language cop you hysterical bitch.
>>2257317support: pakistan workers indian commies and chinese infrastructure
oppose: pakistan military intelligence puppet glowies and indian fascists
>>2257423china making pakistan a real international player but at what cost?! well how about the seething as china starts eliminating poverty in other countries by exporting their ideology. oh wait i forgot that is chinese 'imperialism' lol
>>2257437>have read neither marx nor lenin>imperialist wars between capitalist countrieslol if you are going to call this imperialist you would have to identify which actor is controlling the proxies and would thus would expose this as one-sided imperialist aggression, as usual. india, pakistani terrorists, and pakistan government on one side working for the americans and pakistani and chinese people on the other just trying to have a nice life. neocolonies trying to break from hegemony and become sovereign isn't imperialism
>>2257414>alreadyexcept this was clear before the conflict began
>>2257489>Euroatlanticists don't seem to have a vested interest in either side winning thoughunbelievable. who do you think is arming and training the terrorists? who benefits from pakistan being in turmoil?
i guess the council on foreign relations and voice of america is just doing analysis for fun??
>>2257997so it's another proxy war, just like ukr/rus
makes sense
>>2258002Read my posts bro
>>2257996It will make sense to you how close Pakistan is and China.
>>2258001>Pakistan is super close to China nowthey want to be but their glow ass military keeps overthrowing popular leaders.
>>2258010the fundamentalists get their weapons from american caches in iraq and afganistan
Pakistan-India fighter jet “dog fight” was one of largest and longest in recent aviation history, source says
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/india-pakistan-attack-kashmir-tourists-intl-hnkThe “dog fight” between Pakistani and Indian fighter jets, which Pakistani officials say downed five Indian planes, was one of the “largest and longest in recent aviation history,” a senior Pakistani security source told CNN.
A total of 125 fighter jets battled for over an hour, with neither side leaving its own airspace, according to the source who detailed that the missile exchanges were happening at distances sometimes greater than 160 kilometers (100 miles).
Neither side was prepared to send their pilots over the border because of a much smaller dogfight in 2019. An Indian Air Force pilot was shot down on Pakistani territory and paraded on TV before being returned to India. A humiliation, he said, neither side wanted this time.
At times, the Indian Air Force had to take multiple runs at targets, according to the source. Pakistan did its best to warn civilians in areas it believed to be potential targets, the source said, and that the military was able to minimize civilian casualties.
>>2258064Okay but his comment was directly critiquing China arming "Islamic fundamentalist". He wasn't talking about who they align with. He was attacking China for that
Iran is definitely just as extreme in regards to religion as Pakistan is
>>2256705Extremely amusing to see radlibs cycle through the list of countries to pick their new Great Satan for the month to cry about. First it's America, then Israel, now this. What next? I vote for Papua New Guinea, their imperialist occupation of Bougainville is totally illegitimate.
The most annoying thing is that people like this pretend to be communists because there isn't any other online space for them to go. I wonder if retards ITT talk about anything other than partisan takes on sandy geopolitics?
>>2258072India is attacking kashmiri civilians and destroying their homes who have nothing to do with conflict. You have done no research to say "India is probably the right side of History here." Pure ignorance
The Indian government is literally ran by Hindu fascist show ant nothing more but to massacre Muslims
https://thediplomat.com/2025/05/after-pahalgam-india-has-a-new-kashmir-strategy-collective-punishment/
>To avenge the killing of the 26 tourists shot in Pahalgam, a tourist spot in Kashmir, authorities allegedly planted controlled explosives in the family homes of anti-India rebels, which they later detonated. Explosions occurred on April 24, 25, 26 and 27. The blasts have also impacted homes of neighbors who had no connection whatsoever with the alleged anti-India rebels.
>“No one has ever harassed us. But after the Pahalgam attack, the army came and blew up our house. This is the first time something like this has happened in this area,” said Mansha Tedwa, cousin of Farooq Tedwa.
>“We have had no contact with him since the day he left. If you wanted to kill him, why was our house blown up?”
>A former Indian Army commander told The Diplomat that this will only alienate Kashmiris more. “It is the worst strategy that could have been used to tackle the situation. This will only push more people towards violence. This tactic will prove to be counterproductive and violates human rights,” he said. The former commander emphasized how the demolition of family homes may even create more insurgents.Beyond the demolitions, many families’ sons have been detained in what is being labeled a crackdown on Kashmiris. Almost 1,500 Kashmiris have been rounded up by security forces for questioning in relation to the attack – apparently an attempt to show muscle after the Modi government had admitted to a security lapse in the recent Pahalgam attack during a closed-door all-party meeting.
>Now, common Kashmiris whose family members may or may not have direct involvement in the April 22 attack have become the victims of state-sanctioned vengeance >>2257979china cannot eliminate poverty in other countries, no matter how hard they wish it.
only the 'other countries' leadership can do this. China can only trade and collaborate on infrastructure building.
>>2258077that's nothing
I wish India went full stalin-on-chechenya or xi-on-xinjiang.
>>2258085they play the double game.
It's hard to pinpoint what is the grand strategy of pakistani army generals lol, they've been all over the place, from creating and sheltering terrorist groups, to participate in the War on Terror together with America.
They trained the mujahideen vs the soviets and were sympathetic to the Taliban vs the USA, but now there are clashes with the Taliban on the western border.
While campists are debating what nationality should be the next bourgeois cock to suck I was reading what was being said by the communist parties of the involved countries:
While the Pakistan party got everything right…
<We assert that the working masses of India and Pakistan have no stake in the nationalist sabre-rattling of their respective ruling classes. In a region armed with nuclear weapons, these provocations risk plunging the subcontinent into catastrophic annihilation, an outcome that would spare neither caste, creed, nor class, but would disproportionately destroy the lives and livelihoods of workers, peasants, and the poor. Such military posturing is a diversion, a smokescreen to veil the deepening crisis of capitalist exploitation, inflation, unemployment, and social unrest. It is a tactic long used by bourgeois regimes to stoke reactionary nationalism and crush the rising tide of class consciousnesshttp://solidnet.org/article/CP-of-Pakistan-No-INDO-PAK-War-but-Class-War-Down-with-Bourgeois-Militarism-Forward-with-Proletarian-Internationalism/… the CPI is truly and deeply cucked:
<Given the grave provocation and loss of innocent lives, CPI believes that India had little choice but to respond firmly against the sources of such terrorism. The targeted nature of the strikes—avoiding Pakistani military assets and focusing solely on terrorist infrastructure—demonstrates a calibrated and non-escalatory approach, prioritizing accountability without inviting full-scale conflict.Hell even Freidrich Ebert wouldn't say that
http://solidnet.org/article/CP-of-India-CPI-on-Operation-Sindoor-by-Indian-Armed-Forces/Even their ML split is just repeating government press release and meekly calling upon the government to do something lol
https://cpiml.net/Press-Statements/2025/05/opt-for-deescalation-and-diplomacy-avoid-another-india-pakistan-warHow come indian commies are so cucked by nationalism??
ANKARA, Turkey (AP) — Turkey’s intelligence service thwarted a remote attack using pagers last year in Lebanon, days after similar attacks by Israel killed dozens and wounded thousands, including members of Lebanon’s Hezbollah group, a Turkish daily and officials said Tuesday.
Daily Sabah reported that 1,300 pagers and 710 chargers rigged with explosives were confiscated inside a cargo shipment at Istanbul Airport that was on its way to Beirut from Hong Kong.
A Turkish security official, speaking on condition of anonymity in line with regulations, confirmed the report but would not provide further details
https://apnews.com/article/turkey-lebanon-israel-hezbollah-pagers-walkie-talkies-e39b0dabaa1718606e238001ad9a31fa>>2258112I like China and don't buy this debt trap BS narrative from the west but you are insane.
You cannot export development. It depends on the local govt. No amount of roads and hospital China builds overseas will pull these people out of poverty if their local govts don't get their shit together.
>>2258117infrastructure building is an important part but not sufficient.
you have a child's understanding of 'material foundations'. Most of these infrastructure will rot in inefficiency if the local governments do not include them in a grander strategy of economic development.
>>2256779>Furthermore they're a fascist country that is actively suppressing the naxalitesmultipolarists dont really care about the remaining maoist movements, im pretty sure
they dislike the filipino maoist insurgency because marcos is friendly with the prc iirc
>>2258163pakistan/india is confusing tho since both have been friendly with the west and nato, and pakistan is close to the prc while mildly hostile to the russian federation, while india is close to the russian federation while jingoist towards the prc
its a very, very confusing region for multipolarists ig
>>2258164>while mildly hostile to the russian federationok i was wrong about this
it seems like their relationship is friendly
>>2258163Complete nonsense. There is no Multipolarist International so it’s just down to individual opinion. Some (glowies) try and push the angle that we should support whoever the PRC has diplomatic relations with but this isn’t even a line the CPC push.
The larger opinion IMO is that Maoist insurgencies are no more allowed to develop without Western interference than China is. The Filipino Maoists have been in an effective stalemate for decades and even if the bourgeois government of the Phillipines started to crumble they’d be backed by US carrier groups and thousands of special operations killers.
Either the Western working class rise up and break the back of the unipolar order, or it needs to come from the colonial and semi-colonial bourgeois trying to break free of the imperial core.
>>2258169>pakistan has since been sending weapons to ukrainethis seems to be an allegation that was denied by the pakistani government
imran khan was couped in 2023 but it seems like pakistan has remained friendly since then
>>2258163>multipolarists dont really care about the remaining maoist movementsof course we do. would be mega based if they could leverage this to come out on top and align india with china and pakistan instead. they should be anti-war and for spending the money on making india better, pakistan should be defending but not invading and seeking reconciliation just wait it out till the trains are finished and lead by example in stability and prosper. its just pak glowies who dont want their country to be rich because they will lose power so they hate china
PCC is good too they are just a mega minority afiak like tens of thousands on little islands in a country of 100 million its not that people support marcos its just that he represents the majority and thats who china has to deal w internationally
>>2258247ఆధారంగా
आधारित
ভিত্তি
Eyewitnesses and a local official in northern India’s Punjab have told CNN a plane crashed out of the night sky on Wednesday — around the same time Pakistan claims to have shot down five Indian jets.
India has not commented on the claims, nor can CNN independently verify them.
Eyewitness accounts: An agricultural worker who lives in Aklain Kalan village in Bathinda in Punjab said he heard a loud explosion around 1:15 a.m. on Wednesday.
“It was an unidentified aircraft that had crashed. We rushed to it and sparks were coming out of it.”
He said one person died and several were injured from the fire.
“I made a few videos of the incident but was asked to delete them by the authorities.”
A local government official confirmed to CNN that an aircraft crashed into a wheat field in Aklain Kalan village in Bathinda, Punjab at around 2 a.m. that night. He said the aircraft was unidentified but “seems to be ours.”
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/india-pakistan-operation-sindoor-05-08-25-intl-hnk>>2258073>Extremely amusing to see radlibs cycle through the list of countries to pick their new Great Satan for the month to cry about. it was at this point in the post that I thought you were going to bring up libs crying about Russia, China, Iran, etc.
>First it's America, then Israel,woah woah woah woah woah… what?
Pakistan shot down Israeli-made drones launched by India into its airspace on Thursday, following a series of Indian strikes across the country on Wednesday. An Indian government source confirmed that at least one Israeli drone had been downed by Pakistan
The Indian source told Middle East Eye the drones were made in Israel and supplied to the Indian military by the Adani Group, a multinational company founded by Indian billionaire Gautam Adani, who has been close to Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi for decades.
The Adani group shares a production line with Israeli military company Elbit, from which India provided Israel with Hermes 900 drones after the start of the war in Gaza.
Over the last decade, India has imported military hardware worth $2.9bn from Israel, including radars, surveillance and combat drones, and missiles.
The Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI) Harop drone launched by India into Pakistan is an unmanned “suicide” or “kamikaze” aircraft, also known as a loitering munition. It is 2.5 metres long and has a three-metre wingspan.
The drone has been used in the Syrian war, by Israel, India and by Azerbaijan in the Nagorno-Karabakh war with Armenia.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/pakistan-shoots-down-israeli-made-drones-launched-india>>2258541>purge a whole generation of bureaucrats>"capitalist roaders" take over immediately afterreally made me tank
maybe try something else next time
<stalin/mao just didn't purge hard enough!!!111!!xd
>>2258603>>2258595>>2258596>>2258592some nuance is needed here. The capitalist system has absolutely allowed greater social mobility in India. While 'caste' is still a thing in India and it is still 'strong', it is in no way as 'strong' as, say, 200 years ago.
1. Firstly, you do have 'lower castes' moving up the social ladder, albeit not in great enough numbers and with great difficulty.
2. Moving up the economic ladder however, does not negate the caste-oppression they are subjugated to. Unless they become a multi-millionaire or a celebrity, 'upper-castes' will still look down on them.
3. India is not fully capitalist yet. It is a mosaic of remnants of feudalism (asiatic style) with the capitalist mood growing bigger and bigger.
Because of the complete defeat of feudalism in the west, one thinks of 'socio-economic ladder'. That is, moving up the economic ladder also moves a person up the social ladder. That is not completely true in India though. A Dalit who did well in school and got a good job may move up the economic ladder, but socially, he is still a Dalit.
>what is keeping castes up? Is it religion?Nah, it is the remnants of feudalism. While casteism is definitely a hindu thing, the 'vagueness' of hinduism can actually be a blessing here. Most of hindu religious/spiritual concepts and principles do not appeal to caste at all. It plays a role only in societal affairs. And thus with the vanishing of feudal backwards relations in a more mature capitalist India, one can easily see a post-caste hindu society. The best example of this is how Ambedkar viewed caste as a purely theological aspect, he viewed it as a Hindu-religion thing strictly and urged his dalit supporters to convert to buddhism. Well guess what, while caste isn't really a thing in buddhism (not quite, it is more complicated but oh well), these ex-Dalit Hindus kept facing persecution and were still in the bottom of society. A second example is how Islam in India too, has some sort of 'caste' structure. It is not as clearly defined as in hinduism, but it definitely exists (Ashrafs, Pasmandas etc). That is because the caste relations are deeper than religious beliefs and have more to do with thousand of years of socio-economic relations in India.
>>2258606no joke, India needed the Great Proletarian Cultural Revolution more than China. Westerners only bemoan about the loss of 'muh tradishonss and kaltcha'. Tradition and culture isn't just masala dosa and traditional dances, it is mainly the backward way of thinking, mainly about 'castes', races, women rights etc.
>>2258643Chinese internet influencers already made a video abt Indian Air Force Rafale being shot down.
They're singing "my new plane got shot down"
>>2258711is this to the tune of
tunak tunak tun?
>>2258739>unconditional [redacted]see
>>2257443 >>2257771 71 now
>>2258636that was the first time "capitalist roaders" took over after the Great Leap famine
mao couldn't take being sidelined and launched the cultural revolution
>>2258666not an expert but afaik Indian local/regional politics has an absurd level of clientelism, and that combined with caste/jati system is similar to feodalism
>>2258667>For semi feudal countries with belief systems unchanged for thousand of yearsorientalism, on my /leftypol/? it's more likely than you think
>>2256718This is one conflict I don't know shit about but H*z has been talking about the connection between BJP, Israel and Twitter Nazis so I guess he might be right.
>inb4 what that fuck am I talking about<According to H*z:There is an alliance between indian fascists, zionists and twitter nazis
This is driven by Thiel, their goal is Indian Style Fascism in America, Zionists agree for their own nationalist reasons, the Twitter nazis are into paganism and want total de-abrahamization and a destruction of monotheism. They are all working together for this goal.
>>2257189Valid Communist parties say stand with anti-zionist against zionist monopolist imperialist menace. It appears to me that CPUSA is silent therefore cpusa is zionist
https://communist.red/india-and-pakistan-enter-another-war-only-class-war-can-end-all-wars/Rcp is imperialist zionist because they fail to unearth the zionist hindutva fascist connection and call pakistan imperialist. Of all party lines, ACP is most correct and anti-zionist.
>>2258895India is saying they stopped a drone attack and captured a Pakistan pilot but have presented no evidence
>inb4 they captured their own pilot after a crashPakistan has taken Xi's strategic wisdom of continuing to do nothing so far while India embarrasses itself
>>2258980Do you have official party documentation or is this slander? CPUSA resolved to support zionist democrat campaigns. PSL ran own presidential candidate. Where is official ACP resolution on election
>>2259009Wrong. You say this as zioists strike pakistan. You are zionist. Pakistan is antizionist.
CPUSA is against zionism
https://www.cpusa.org/article/a-review-of-party-policy-on-zionism-and-palestinian-self-determination/Now you obese gringos can stop breaching your containment thread and go obsess over Israel and MIGA communism somewhere else
>>2259155Just minimise the thread then?
Literal child. no idea why you're not b&, honestly.
>>2258833As far as I'm finding with this polymarket shit, not really (unless you're putting it into elections) as these war markets are subject to whale porkies coming in and flooding the market to force it one way
Very annoying, I am now reactionary against cryptocurrency and think it should be destroyed.
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