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Not reporting is bourgeois


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Fuck Debord, Deleuze, Guattari, Adorno, Zizek, all the Frankfurt school, all other postmodernist, critical theory, all these indecipherable philosophers. I despise these social fascist lickspittles. Why are they even considered remotely socialist? It's like they didn't take a single lesson from The German Ideology, they read Marx encyclopedically but don't even pay attention to what he's saying! All they see is the long winded style of writing he inherited from Hegel and replicate that rather than spending a moment to realize that their philosophy is useless. Like liberals they pick out a few 'radical' sounding things and ignore the real work on political economy!

Their understanding of socialism is completely liberal because it is just taking the aesthetics and going 'Well, they had some good points. But I think we need a new way'. Liberal scum. Always they end up supporting NATO and social democracy, or they become ridiculous anarchists. The post-modernists have had a terrible effect on socialism. It is the ideology of neoliberal capitalism, incompatible with Marxism and communism. Post modernists need their delusions beaten out of them to show that the real world does have meaning. Postism is completely rubbish. All 'posts' are ridiculous theories, that included Post-colonialism. Fundementally they are bourgeois, because it is rejecting real progress.

All these lickspittles say is the most radical things ever. "Let's abolish capitalism and all exploitation! Let's abolish time! Let's abolish the current way we see the world!". But then they don't do anything about it! And lots of what they are asking for and conflating with the class struggle is ridiculous like paedophilia and time abolishing. These ones are the ideological fault for postisms and identity politics becoming such a big thing. Nobody real can read their work. Even Marx tried to make his work readable even though at times it is difficult. But they revel in how complex and difficult it is. This is for a reason - their audience is the petit-bourgeois, not the working class.


There has never been a good philosopher. Hegel might have been useful to Marx, but once Marx transcended him he should never be read (Lenin is wrong on this). The only real philosophers are the ones who are working in the struggle. The fascists should be ostracised and their books burned. I despise them and I am angered whenever I hear one of their evil names.
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>>2280267
Its a book for a communist society

>>2280268
That's like wiping your ass in anticipation of a shit you'll take tomorrow

>>2280263
????
are you fucking stupid

>>2244925
>commodity production and wage labor were tenets of capitalism
Communism will never ever be achieved until childish MLs and Anarchists read theory for once in their lives and realise this.

From the very first line of Capital:
<The wealth of societies in which the capitalist mode of production prevails appears as an “immense collection of commodities

Do you get it yet?
YOU CANNOT RETAIN COMMODITY PRODUCTION AND CLAIM TO BE A SOCIALIST SOCIETY.

Is deleuze's work for a future communists who will have achieved communism and have to guard it against reaction?

What deleuze's work is about? What did he discover?

>>2280369
No, it's for arthoes and failson anarchists to beat off to

None of this matters. Deleuze wasnt even a communist i bet

>>2244288
>>The biggest obstacles are the small peasants and the importunate super-clever intellectuals who always think they know everything so much the better, the less they understand it.
get their asses engels

Yeah, the revolution depends on whether the party has read deleuze or not

I always assume its mostly queers who read these guys

>>2280400
proletarian queers exist you know, we are not all middle class losers like you see on whatever bubble youre in

>>2280387
deleuze was a "transcendental empiricist" (bergsonian) whose main theoretical focus was in combatting hegel (difference and repetition) and lacan (anti-oedipus) in targeting dialectics from a positivistic view (via spinozistic substance). basically, he wanted to liberate the eros of nature from the shackles of repression, which is not just in the freudian psyche, but the system of nature itself. for this reason; he often makes reference to wilhelm reich; a marxist-leninist psychoanalyst who theorised "orgone energy" as a natural substance which could be harnessed, as opposed to freud's psychic libidinal economy of eros. in all this are "general" theories of social production, a la bataille or lyotard.

he is also the inventor of "accelerationism", borrowing from nietzsche's notes on the notion of advancing modern nihilism. nietzsche also said that spinoza was his predecessor. spinoza's work is pure positivism, centuries before comte, seeing the universe as expressive of a universal "substance". foucault said that the 21st century would be deleuzean.
>>2280400
you are right
>>2280392
he was not

>>2280415
why so angry?

>>2280416
I think I just had a seizure trying to parse half of those words
Don't misunderstand, I believe you explained it very clearly, rather it is me to blame for lack of intelligence and awareness on what any of this stuff means
How much philosophy and psychology must a person read to reach the point they can follow this type of discussion at ease? Where does one even begin?

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>>2280425
most of philosophy is jargon. once you download the glossary terms, its quite straight-forward (like any fandom). as a basic summary ill provide this:
we may read this from "difference and repetition":
>The work of art leaves the domain of representation in order to become 'experience', transcendental empiricism or science of the sensible (p. 56)
>Despite the fact that it has become discredited today, the doctrine of the faculties is an entirely necessary component of the system of philosophy. Its discredit may be explained by the misrecognition of this properly transcendental empiricism, for which was substituted in vain a tracing of the transcendental from the empirical … We ask, for example: What forces sensibility to sense? (p. 143)
"transcendental empiricism" is a play on kant's "transcendental" or "critical" idealism, which stipulates the higher faculties of reason which condition the very possibility of reason (this is kant's essential "critique", that reason must be limited to have possibility). deleuze clearly esteems this line of reasoning in the elementary sense, except that he inverts kant by seeing that we are not determined toward reason, but empirical experience, or "heterologocal" (pluralistic) difference.

"eros" refers to freud's "pleasure principle", which is the psychic (synbolic) desire to release tension. deleuze wishes to extend this to bodies which more resemble "rhizomes" or decentralised networks, as opposed to oedipal, or hierarchical (organic) structures. this to deleuze relates to spinoza's "substance" as affirmative and distributive
>Spinoza marks a considerable progress. instead of understanding univocal being as neutral or indifferent, he makes it an object of pure affirmation. Univocal being becomes identical with unique, universal and infinite substance … Any hierarchy or pre-eminence is denied in so far as substance is equally designated by all the attributes in accordance with their essence, and equally expressed by all the modes in accordance with their degree of power. With Spinoza, univocal being ceases to be neutralised and becomes expressive; it becomes a truly expressive and affirmative proposition. (difference and repetition, p. 40)

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>The body without organs is the immanent substance, in the most Spinozist sense of the word; and the partial objects are like its ultimate attributes, which belong to it precisely insofar as they are really distinct and cannot on this account exclude or oppose one another. The partial objects and the body without organs are the two material elements of the schizophrenic desiring-machines: the one as the immobile motor, the others as the working parts; the one as the giant molecule, the others as the micromolecules—the two together in a relationship of continuity from one end to the other of the molecular chain of desire. (anti-oedipus p. 327)

>>2280400
Nietzsche and offshoots can be really appealing when you're queer growing up in an abrahamic patriarchial shithole

Instead of being ashamed, you can adopf this respected philosopher and transvaluate your queerness into an epic aristocratic struggle against the retarded moralist rabble

>>2280465
Hate it when retard philosophers blitherly misappropriate terminology from medicine and actual science

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Hoxhaist book denounces Frankfurt school as CIA shills


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I've seen this exact post at least twice. You dumb motherfuckers keep taking the bait.

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>>2280497
Hoxhaists have literally no leg to stand on to accuse anyone of being CIA

>>2244944
very strange to put all that on MLs when you admit he was a maupinite. i come to communism through deleuze and think he is better reading with lenin. invisible committee tiqqun are also central for me but so is stalin and mao.

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>>2279637
a little something like this

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>>2242658
Naturally as a child interested in Marxology I was what one might call a bit of a "fucking loser" but whatever superficial high school drama wasn't my thing and online leftoid drama was. I can't tell you how much slop filled up my head and left nothing of value.

If anything it taught me a valuable lesson: anyone dressing up their shit in a dorky vaporwave aesthetic and dumping retarded niche philosophical concepts on you for the sake of it is the most nauseating type of retard. They need to signal intelligence they don't have so they're as vague and abstract as possible. This is without mentioning that shit like "how rhizomes destroys the right-wing" or whatever pertains fuck all to proles.

I forgot to say fuck Mark Fisher, fuck Badiou, fuck Chomsky (though he actually did have some useful ideas like manufacturing consent).

>>2281048
>Manufacturing Consent
Sorry, but that book is like the libslop version of Inventing Reality by Michael Parenti, which came out two years earlier.

>>2281051
Probably, tbh I just remember it because it was the first 'theory' I read. But yeah fuck Chomsky. And fuck Parenti for being a lib too.

>>2281058
They're also regularly begging for donations in the usapol thread. Kind of a stupid thing to do, when nobody wants them here in the first place.

>>2280899
What are you talking about?

Fuck this thread man. Just read those books yourself

>>2281048
Fateful Triangle is probably his best work, IMHO.

Brainlet thread.

>>2281048
what did fisher even do to you lol

129 responses + OP pretending to read critical theory, and it's obvious because the first insult is "social fascist" meaning they haven't read a single word from any of these authors. What a microcosm of pure stupidity.

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>>2242658
>>2244454
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>>2280149
>>2280179
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>>2280416
>>2280452
All the replies ITT are just proving OP right. D&G borrow terms from economics not to clarify capital, but to metaphysically aestheticize it. They turn political economy into a libidinal plumbing diagram, poetic, maybe, but utterly detached from exploitation, labor, and power. That's simply not analysis. That's just mystification.

This applies to all the other authors OP namedropped too. Adorno just wrote poems about the barbed wire, Derrida wasn’t a materialist, Lacan was a symbolic monarchist, Kristeva theorized poetry instead of revolution, Lyotard wrote a vibe report for a Canadian university. These were not threats to capital. They were its theorists of decay.

You can dress a theory in Marxist vocabulary, but if it erases labor, history, and exploitation in favor of abstract flows, it operates as revisionism, whether it means to or not. This is not even opinion, it's analysis.

I don't get what's so interesting about plumbing the psyches of individuals.
It's like studying agriculture by examining the workings of each individual grain of rice.
How could you possibly hope to accomplish anything *socially* with such a method?

>>2296326
Hey, I recognize you. You're that accelerationist trot on twitter who once said that israel should conquer the whole middle east, & that domestic labor does not create use value

>>2244030
T. Culture war addict

real, this is why even someone like Land was able btfo them all in like less than two pages

>>2282598
they are pretty dumb books

>>2243005
>go read 3 whole pages and two paragraphs of adorno non-stop crying about how evil mickey mouse is
>>2243376
this should be proven in concrete and empirical way anyone can do a marx-vibes inspired essay about how whatever is currently annoying them is poisoned by capitalism

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>>2280258
>Why this fear of concreteness and structure

anything real is poisoned by the sin of ideology thats why critical theory praxis is always about doing nothing

>>2242664
>Being against academics that distort Marx means you're a chud.

>>2242658
god i love debord

What exactly is wrong with Debord and Guattari? How is Deleuze incompatible with marxism? You're vaguely gesturing at smt but I don't really understand what you mean.

>>2242658
What I fail to understand about westoid "marxist" intellectuals is how they fail to do introspection where it's needed most. They understand that communism seeks to overthrow the whole bourgeois order of things, they supposedly have the historical background to understand that we are but in one historical moment, but then they turn around and talk about the "authoritarian personality", "domination is mental illness", "totalitarian tankie stalin"… retards, what about the words "new proletarian suprestructure" do you not understand? Your concept of freedom is one you took from bourgeois society, no shit proletarian society doesn't conform to the way a german from 1920s who goes on to work in leading universities of the american empire would understand it, or a westoid today for that matter.
Especially the arrogance with which they, no, YOU speak of real revolutions makes me indignant. How the FUCK do you expect a fundamentally superior society to have the same idea of democracy as you? Why would the people who discover new forms of government through practice not be fundamentally in a better spot to understand the situation?

>>2356749
>but then they turn around and talk about the "authoritarian personality", "domination is mental illness", "totalitarian tankie stalin"
I prefer that to the screeching abut imperialism like it's above capitalism


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