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>SYDNEY — Australia’s center-left government convincingly won reelection Saturday in a remarkable turnaround driven partly by anger over President Donald Trump’s disruptive trade war and its effect on the close U.S. military ally.
<Anthony Albanese became the first Australian prime minister to win a second term in more than two decades as his Labor Party dramatically increased its parliamentary majority. It marked a stunning comeback for the progressive leader, who trailed in the polls two months ago.
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Relax Marxioid, real Hitlerites are in control.

>>2259975
Only Muslim cabinet member purged for having strong views on Gaza that were aired privately in the Cabinet room. Rumour has it that Dreyfus, the only Jew, was also purged for having some strong opinions on national security (he watered down some of the worst of Labor's tendancy). Both fall-outs with Marles and Penny Wong.

>>2259744
>Others inside the party say the Greens have alienated older and more well-off voters with their rhetoric, as seen when Bandt wore a shirt saying: “FIGHTING FOR RENTERS”.

Cool strategy for them. Run away from a demographic wave and became identical to the Liberals and Labor.

>>2252790
Sucking on that lil Trump dick I see…

>>2263610
The Tree tories have migrated over to the Teals surely? Either way, if they conservatise it's probably better for socialist politics.

So what?

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>>2266570
They will be competitive in senate races. More diversity in the senate is a good thing even if they are Trots/anarchists.

HELLO AUSTRALIANS
The Victorian Socialists are expanding to cover all States and Territories
In order to get them on the ballot they need as many members joining as they can get
They aim to get some senate seats and if they can get ballot access they will succeed
https://www.victoriansocialists.org.au/join

>>2266570
Even if you don't want to get involved, join them so they can be on the ballot.

>>2266570
>>2266596
>>2267254
>>2267681
Quick rundown of Vic Socialists for non-Australians? How are they different to the other socialist parties

>>2267875
They are the political wing of Socialist Alternative which is a Trotskyist/Cliffite group that is fairly prominent on Australian university campuses. I've personally never been fond of them. They shut down alternative left wing groups on campuses and take over protest movements. Given their work on shutting down independent left wing voices i suspect as a movement they are absolutely infested with glowies.

>>2252784
>red neolib
rude there red socdem :^C

>>2267875
>>2268024
Yep, technically an alliance (started with both Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance as the major parties with Sallies soon leaving: https://socialist-alliance.org/our-common-cause/2020-05-14/socialist-alliance-withdraws-victorian-socialists ) but might as well just be SAlt electoralist party.

>who are Communist Alternative (CAlt)?

A split from Solidarity (both are officially Cliffite orgs but act so differently you'd never know), SAlt are likely the largest socialist org in Australia, mostly students who sell newspapers and act like shitty Mormons for a few years and then burn out. Everyone knows a horror story from them, in fact a significant amount of my org are former SAlt members who left.
https://umsu.unimelb.edu.au/news/article/7797/Why-the-Left-Sucks-An-Inquiry-into-Campuss-Most-Hated-Political-Group/

They waste time trying to call people who already told them to fuck off because they didn't realise that environmental petition was just a tactic to get their phone number. Someone I know blocked their number so they got another member to start calling instead. One of their recruits asked my Palestinian friend who has family in Palestine, at a Palestine protest, if they were of the conflict, and when they said yes, just continued reciting the script anyway. Their branch at Sydney University got their members to strategically vote the Young Liberals (right-wing party) into a seat rather than give it to any of the anti-capitalist orgs. They're basically all the shit stereotypes of privileged White university liberals, it's actually impressive.

Caveat: many of them are actually decent people, this critique is nothing personal, but once they're around other members and have to toe the party line to avoid being ostracized, they're fucking horrible.

mp3 unrelated

>>2268024
>Given their work on shutting down independent left wing voices i suspect as a movement they are absolutely infested with glowies.
If CAlt didn't exist, feds would try to invent them.

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>90 replies
>no certified marxist analysis
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/jun/13.htm

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>>2269244
Over the weekend I'll scan this. It's fascinating reading. A huge anti-communist screed from 1944 written by the virulently anti-communist Labor premier of our largest state,

>>2269381
Please do, comrade! I can't see a copy online, even in Anna's Archive.

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Actually, not sure if you've been on a board that does this, but you can run a storytime thread if it's the kind of book that deserves it.
/co/ would sometimes upload pages of a comic one at a time while the thread makes fun of it and post OC parodies. I don't know if /leftypol/ ever did that, I suspect "This Godless Communism" may have gotten that treatment around 2016 (picsrel).

>>2269385
I'll give it a go - not sure how high the general interest will be though. Lang is an interesting figure for Aussies but less so I imagine for the rest of the board.

>>2252778
>center-left
are you retardo

>>2269381
dont waste your time scanning this
Australia is irrelevant. It's not even a real country, just a province of England

>>2269244
Lenin is lucky he never saw how bad it could get.

>>2254918
they already tried that. it's called to be a beatnik.

>>2269381
Please, and please put it on the books section of the internet archive or another place that people can find more easily.

One of Socialist Alliance's Senate candidates was interviewed by Mr Sikkant on TikTok
How do you think we went? Did he make a good impression
https://www.tiktok.com/@mrsikkant

>>2271082
Unpolished and unprofessional. I cringe to admit it but even Haz would be a better person to interview because he could hit the interviewer with a massive list of talking points but here the Socialist Alliance guy is caught off guard and is frantically scrambling as you can tell by his posture and constant thinking over of what to say.

>>2271082
>How do you think we went?
>we
Do I look like an awkward retiree succdem to you?
i work at computers and have better posture, appearance shouldn't matter but it does in the electoral popularity contest

>>2271086
I will say good on them for immediately explaining that electoralism isn't the main route for change.

Yeah a media training session could do some good. Like at 2:00, they seem to be treating this like a personal argument, where "No." is a valid response to the interviewer's lay-up "But didn't Elon do all this stuff?", the interviewer then has to kind-of-awkwardly draw the reasoning out of the guy with follow-up questions and say "I'm not on his side" to try and make him realise it's a prompt, not an argument.
The interviewer is BEGGING for a critique of the "risk" argument for minutes.

oh god i just got to 5:00 and fucking hell no candidate should be saying that in response to a simple question about socialist society. Like yeah, you should be ready to summarise Marxist theory in a couple of sentences, it doesn't have to be rigorous but you have to give something, it took them a bit too long to find that it's a society where we're driven by [material] needs rather than profit. They kinda managed the innovation rebuttal.

Obviously it's easier for me here with a keyboard instead of a real-time interview, but my comrade in socialism, you're a fucking politician.

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Socialist Alliance has issued a statement about the Australia-wide expansion of Victorian Socialists, confirming they are NOT merging

>The comrades from Victorian Socialists/Socialist Alternative also asked for an assurance that Socialist Alliance would not block a request by them to change their name with the electoral commission.

>As the longest-standing federally registered party with “socialist” in the name, Socialist Alliance has first rights to its use.

>While Victorian Socialists is proposing to change its name to Socialist Party, in its expansion publicity it refers to itself simply as the "Socialists".

>This amounts to a de facto claim to exclusive use of the word and creates a real basis for confusion, especially if used on ballot papers. We remain open to further discussion about how to advance cooperation and greater unity.

https://socialist-alliance.org/news/2025-05-18/statement-socialist-alliance-national-expansion-victorian-socialists

>>2271101
>tax le rich (as if elon musk has billions in his personal bank account and not as shares in his companies)

thanks ben shapiro, literally saw him give the same argument

>>2273583
i mean yeah taxing the rich is impossible these days, you just can't tax em like you used to

>>2271101
I've never seen anyone who uses the word 'skinnyfat' have anything of value to say.
Curious.

>>2273588
you should go to the gym and stand up straight. it's good for you

>>2273583
most of a capitalist's "assets" are their means of production. how do you "tax" that out of people? its a stupid argument because it shows economic illiteracy. its on the same level as saying that printing billions of dollars creates billions of dollars of more value. what objective factor does erasing the income of elon musk have except that elon simply has less money?
>>2273588
are you a skinnyfat yourself, perchance?

>In Victoria, three sources said membership numbers were between 9,000 and 10,000 […]

>A former member of the Victorian Liberal executive said the division had about 15,000 members close to 20 years ago. The party has since shed members, according to the source, and the average age of those who remain has climbed to 68.


>“One of the biggest expenses we used to have [at our local branch] was on funeral wreaths,” they said. “We’d be down at the florist every week handing over $70.”

lmao


>>2252784
Except the tiny detail that Israel has a deep social-democratic tradition and is more socialist than Palestine ever can hope to be. Oh wait are you confusing the current culture war bullshit for actual politics again?

>>2290077
that sounds like a line ripped verbatim out of a satire piece, holy shit man

Starmerism Down Under

>If the ALP’s current programme is remarkably similar to Starmerism, its approach to party management also offers a vision of what a thoroughly Starmerised British Labour Party will look like.


>One legacy of the Hawke/Keating years never fully emulated by Blair was the eradication of socialism as an organised current within the ALP.


>While the term does appear in the party’s constitution and in the name of formal factions at state and federal levels, the last prominent ALP politician to positively utter it was former senator Doug Cameron in 2019. Tellingly, it was in his retirement speech.


https://tribunemag.co.uk/2025/06/starmerism-down-under

I remember listening to a neo-nazi podcast ep some comrade shared where a Patriot Front ex-member aired all their soiled laundry, and one point that stuck out was them mentioning that antifa groups had forced them to do their publicity stunts at sunrise before anyone was awake to bash their faggot asses. ("something something antifa orgies make them wake up late")

Now NutSacNet are going further and holding up banners at three in the fucking morning. The Absolute State. And, according to the /fa/ggots over at zzzchan, these derros are the best that the West has to offer. Some autistic wimps.

>>2271082
Unprofessional and sloppy. Not an outright embrrassment but a complete miss of an opportunity.

You have an audience of potentially thousands of people and you criticise billionaires by calling them "cunts", and then give a wishy washy answer about your platform being about yelling and screaming for social justice. You could have talked about the multiple economic crises in this country, how billionaires exploit other people's labor, gain exclusive government contracts, or use their capital to control media or outright manipulate elections. You can point out how the Australian ruling class is now complicit in multiple war crimes and ethnic cleansing.

The positive case for socialism was weak as well. Yes, obviously a society based on human need, not for profit. But point out why it is neccessary, why it is democratic, why it is historically vital, how capitalism constantly creates crises, war, destruction and the top of society comes away richer than ever before?

SAllies are dying anyway, so no big loss.

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There's going to be a snap demonstration for the freedom flotilla at the state library 6pm

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Who was in the wrong

>>2311756
israel

>>2252778
>center-left
lol not even pretending to be leftoids. a win for WHO??

>>2305139
Which state, ya derro

>>2311756
anarchojak for not bashing Channel 9 reporters

>>2311756
Anarchojak for not clapping reporterjak's cheeks.

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