/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Daily reminder that the australian ABC channel, despite its flaws, is better than the entire US mass media.

>>2254418
>"Of course what every country on Earth does is because of us you fools."
see >>2254113

>>2254655
No, all MSM in Australia has a Liberal bias including the ABC since Howard cut funding and ScoMo replaced the board with former Liberal staffers.
At least in the US they have some MSM biased towards the Dems and other biased towards the GOP.

>>2254418
Also, stop using facebook you subhuman.

I'm sure this will go perfectly fine for the people of Australia just like Labour in the UK has gone

>>2254662
The realistic options are Libs or Labor, Labor is way better for the working.
I'm all for talking shit about them and trying to push them left but lets do that after elections because they are still better than the alternative.

and since many of you are fukken tourists, reminder that Albanese co-founded the Parliamentary Friends of Palestine and spoke at pro-Palestine rallies early in their career.

The Labor Party under Albanese has sided with the Zionist Regime, denounced Palestine protests, and we build a vital component of the F-35 bombers here.

>>2254662
fwiw we aren't terf island. Albo goes to Mardi Gras.

Read Bob Carr (pro-palestine FM) or Mark Liebler's (Head of Australian-Israel lobbying) memiors to see how insanely bent over the Australian Government is to Israel. Bob Carr pretty much outright says that figures like Liebler had more power over Australian policy than he did.

Look how many people voted for Legalise Cannabis. Communist parties should call themselves something like that because it gets votes.

>The leader of a national environment group, who asked to speak anonymously to be candid about their views, said “they became a party of militant youth and lost their status as a party of the environment."

>Jeremy Buckingham says his biggest criticism of the party is the “vitriol” of their rhetoric, which he sums up as “calling the Albanese government complicit in genocide and expecting people to negotiate with them”.

>“Peace was one of the Greens’ foundational tenets, but they’re not peaceful in how they act, that’s because a lot of people from the hard left of politics, various socialist groups came into the Greens.”

>Others inside the party say the Greens have alienated older and more well-off voters with their rhetoric, as seen when Bandt wore a shirt saying: “FIGHTING FOR RENTERS”.

>“That meant home owners no longer felt at home in the party,” one senior Greens figure says.

<“That meant home owners no longer felt at home in the party,”

Lmao the Greens are rapidly regressing into a tree tory party again after Bandt lost his seat

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/how-the-war-between-watermelons-and-tree-tories-brought-down-the-greens-20250507-p5lxfh.html

Relax Marxioid, real Hitlerites are in control.

>>2259975
Only Muslim cabinet member purged for having strong views on Gaza that were aired privately in the Cabinet room. Rumour has it that Dreyfus, the only Jew, was also purged for having some strong opinions on national security (he watered down some of the worst of Labor's tendancy). Both fall-outs with Marles and Penny Wong.

>>2259744
>Others inside the party say the Greens have alienated older and more well-off voters with their rhetoric, as seen when Bandt wore a shirt saying: “FIGHTING FOR RENTERS”.

Cool strategy for them. Run away from a demographic wave and became identical to the Liberals and Labor.

>>2252790
Sucking on that lil Trump dick I see…

>>2263610
The Tree tories have migrated over to the Teals surely? Either way, if they conservatise it's probably better for socialist politics.

So what?

Our thoughts on VS expanding into the rest of Australia?

https://www.6newsau.com/post/victorian-socialists-announce-expansion-into-every-state-and-territory

>>2266570
They will be competitive in senate races. More diversity in the senate is a good thing even if they are Trots/anarchists.

HELLO AUSTRALIANS
The Victorian Socialists are expanding to cover all States and Territories
In order to get them on the ballot they need as many members joining as they can get
They aim to get some senate seats and if they can get ballot access they will succeed
→ https://www.victoriansocialists.org.au/join

>>2266570
Even if you don't want to get involved, join them so they can be on the ballot.

>>2266570
>>2266596
>>2267254
>>2267681
Quick rundown of Vic Socialists for non-Australians? How are they different to the other socialist parties

>>2267875
They are the political wing of Socialist Alternative which is a Trotskyist/Cliffite group that is fairly prominent on Australian university campuses. I've personally never been fond of them. They shut down alternative left wing groups on campuses and take over protest movements. Given their work on shutting down independent left wing voices i suspect as a movement they are absolutely infested with glowies.

>>2252784
>red neolib
rude there red socdem :^C

>>2267875
>>2268024
Yep, technically an alliance (started with both Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance as the major parties with Sallies soon leaving: https://socialist-alliance.org/our-common-cause/2020-05-14/socialist-alliance-withdraws-victorian-socialists ) but might as well just be SAlt electoralist party.

>who are Communist Alternative (CAlt)?
A split from Solidarity (both are officially Cliffite orgs but act so differently you'd never know), SAlt are likely the largest socialist org in Australia, mostly students who sell newspapers and act like shitty Mormons for a few years and then burn out. Everyone knows a horror story from them, in fact a significant amount of my org are former SAlt members who left.
https://umsu.unimelb.edu.au/news/article/7797/Why-the-Left-Sucks-An-Inquiry-into-Campuss-Most-Hated-Political-Group/

They waste time trying to call people who already told them to fuck off because they didn't realise that environmental petition was just a tactic to get their phone number. Someone I know blocked their number so they got another member to start calling instead. One of their recruits asked my Palestinian friend who has family in Palestine, at a Palestine protest, if they were of the conflict, and when they said yes, just continued reciting the script anyway. Their branch at Sydney University got their members to strategically vote the Young Liberals (right-wing party) into a seat rather than give it to any of the anti-capitalist orgs. They're basically all the shit stereotypes of privileged White university liberals, it's actually impressive.

Caveat: many of them are actually decent people, this critique is nothing personal, but once they're around other members and have to toe the party line to avoid being ostracized, they're fucking horrible.

mp3 unrelated

>>2268024
>Given their work on shutting down independent left wing voices i suspect as a movement they are absolutely infested with glowies.
If CAlt didn't exist, feds would try to invent them.

>>2269244
Over the weekend I'll scan this. It's fascinating reading. A huge anti-communist screed from 1944 written by the virulently anti-communist Labor premier of our largest state,

>>2269381
Please do, comrade! I can't see a copy online, even in Anna's Archive.

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Actually, not sure if you've been on a board that does this, but you can run a storytime thread if it's the kind of book that deserves it.
/co/ would sometimes upload pages of a comic one at a time while the thread makes fun of it and post OC parodies. I don't know if /leftypol/ ever did that, I suspect "This Godless Communism" may have gotten that treatment around 2016 (picsrel).

>>2269385
I'll give it a go - not sure how high the general interest will be though. Lang is an interesting figure for Aussies but less so I imagine for the rest of the board.

>>2252778
>center-left
are you retardo

>>2269381
dont waste your time scanning this
Australia is irrelevant. It's not even a real country, just a province of England

>>2269244
Lenin is lucky he never saw how bad it could get.

>>2254918
they already tried that. it's called to be a beatnik.

>>2269381
Please, and please put it on the books section of the internet archive or another place that people can find more easily.

One of Socialist Alliance's Senate candidates was interviewed by Mr Sikkant on TikTok
How do you think we went? Did he make a good impression
https://www.tiktok.com/@mrsikkant

>>2271082
Unpolished and unprofessional. I cringe to admit it but even Haz would be a better person to interview because he could hit the interviewer with a massive list of talking points but here the Socialist Alliance guy is caught off guard and is frantically scrambling as you can tell by his posture and constant thinking over of what to say.

>>2271082
>skinnyfat
>lisp
>"the billionaire class"
>tax le rich (as if elon musk has billions in his personal bank account and not as shares in his companies)
>we need socialism
<cant even explain what socialism would look like
>"just give all your money away" (to who?)
>everyone's a cunt (especially you).
theyre not sending their best.

>>2271082
>How do you think we went?
>we
Do I look like an awkward retiree succdem to you?
i work at computers and have better posture, appearance shouldn't matter but it does in the electoral popularity contest

>>2271086
I will say good on them for immediately explaining that electoralism isn't the main route for change.

Yeah a media training session could do some good. Like at 2:00, they seem to be treating this like a personal argument, where "No." is a valid response to the interviewer's lay-up "But didn't Elon do all this stuff?", the interviewer then has to kind-of-awkwardly draw the reasoning out of the guy with follow-up questions and say "I'm not on his side" to try and make him realise it's a prompt, not an argument.
The interviewer is BEGGING for a critique of the "risk" argument for minutes.

oh god i just got to 5:00 and fucking hell no candidate should be saying that in response to a simple question about socialist society. Like yeah, you should be ready to summarise Marxist theory in a couple of sentences, it doesn't have to be rigorous but you have to give something, it took them a bit too long to find that it's a society where we're driven by [material] needs rather than profit. They kinda managed the innovation rebuttal.

Obviously it's easier for me here with a keyboard instead of a real-time interview, but my comrade in socialism, you're a fucking politician.

>>2271101
>tax le rich (as if elon musk has billions in his personal bank account and not as shares in his companies)

thanks ben shapiro, literally saw him give the same argument

>>2273583
i mean yeah taxing the rich is impossible these days, you just can't tax em like you used to

>>2271101
I've never seen anyone who uses the word 'skinnyfat' have anything of value to say.
Curious.

>>2273588
you should go to the gym and stand up straight. it's good for you

>>2273583
most of a capitalist's "assets" are their means of production. how do you "tax" that out of people? its a stupid argument because it shows economic illiteracy. its on the same level as saying that printing billions of dollars creates billions of dollars of more value. what objective factor does erasing the income of elon musk have except that elon simply has less money?
>>2273588
are you a skinnyfat yourself, perchance?

>In Victoria, three sources said membership numbers were between 9,000 and 10,000 […]

>A former member of the Victorian Liberal executive said the division had about 15,000 members close to 20 years ago. The party has since shed members, according to the source, and the average age of those who remain has climbed to 68.

>“One of the biggest expenses we used to have [at our local branch] was on funeral wreaths,” they said. “We’d be down at the florist every week handing over $70.”
lmao

>>2290077
sauce https://www.theguardian.com/australia-news/2025/may/31/liberal-party-membership-levels-numbers-victoria-nsw

>>2252784
Except the tiny detail that Israel has a deep social-democratic tradition and is more socialist than Palestine ever can hope to be. Oh wait are you confusing the current culture war bullshit for actual politics again?

>>2290077
that sounds like a line ripped verbatim out of a satire piece, holy shit man