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>SYDNEY — Australia’s center-left government convincingly won reelection Saturday in a remarkable turnaround driven partly by anger over President Donald Trump’s disruptive trade war and its effect on the close U.S. military ally.
<Anthony Albanese became the first Australian prime minister to win a second term in more than two decades as his Labor Party dramatically increased its parliamentary majority. It marked a stunning comeback for the progressive leader, who trailed in the polls two months ago.

Fuck yeah, the red neolib beat the blue neolib. I can't wait to see them ban pro-Palestine support in six months instead of two!!!

so the labor party wins not because of popular support and demands for progressive policy but because of stupid shit on the media cycle?
why did you post this garbage take? why do you uncritically accept the washington post speculation?
reported btw

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>>2252778
On one hand, i'm at least glad that Mr. Potato head got turned into Mash, and the future Australia project actually looks promising.

On the other hand, I'm not exactly thrilled that we're going to get more years of Labour being limp wristed on Palestine/Israel and have them "combat anti-semitism" while acting as nothing more than a mediating force between capitalists and workers.

>>2252778
>entire Anglosphere is going socdem
SOCDEM GANG RISE UP

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>US does the dumbest thing ever
>other westoid countries scramble not to make the same mistake
say thwank you pwease for our noble self-sacrifice on your behalf

>>2252778
The lesser evil is the best we can hope for these days so I'm happy.
>vic socialists gets 0.2%
>socialist allience gets 0.1%
We have a long way to go.

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>>2252848
Thank you retarded US voters and thank you retarded GOP.

>>2252778
>Australia’s center-left government
They're centre-right at this point. They're all property investors.

>>2253469
if the property investors are the government rhat is socialism no????

>>2252820
>>2252848
>>2252985
>>2252987
>>2252985
Americans are playing 4d chess right now. What are you doing bro.

The communist organisations and parties here really need to better take advantage of election times for mass work. The only group which really tried to do this was the trot SEP. This doesn't necessarily have to mean participation in the elections themselves, but in terms of how communist groups treat elections, we're gonna have to do more than just writing articles for websites and newspapers the average Australian worker doesn't even know exist. The average Australian worker doesn't even know what our communist parties are to begin with.

Kier Starmer except in the Land Down Under, woopty doo.

>>2253469
They are still centre left, the centre have just moved a lot in the last 80 years.

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Vic Socialists and Socialist alliance, 36,517 total votes. Pretty bleak, 0.28% of votes.

>>2253517
They did better in the senate, nationally and in Victoria.
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/SenateStateFirstPrefsByGroup-31496-VIC.htm
>Victorian Socialists 1.97%
https://tallyroom.aec.gov.au/SenateStateFirstPrefsByGroup-31496-NAT.htm
>Socialist Alliance 0.26%
>Victorian Socialists 0.48%

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Looks like Adam Bandt is going to lose his own seat, as well as all of the other seats they won in Queensland.
Why did they do so poorly this time? I thought the Greens becoming more economically left would make them more appealing?

>>2253530
Media astroturfing by Murdoch, and dark money funded groups like Advance Australia representing wealthy mining multinationals. Also genuinely a lot of stupid mother fuckers who don't understand how preferential voting works and buy into 24 hour newscycle crap.

can someone explain how elections in australia work, what are the main political divides and why are there more independents than third parties?

>>2252820
Nah Canada still hasnt.

>>2253535
the canadian liberals are socdem if you squint

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>Good. The LNP will probably be out of power for a few election cycles [Or just the next one]
<Bad. The center-right Labor party's promotion of false consciousness, and the acceptance of "Progressive neoliberalism" is as ideologically, culturally, mythologically hegemonic as ever.
<Also bad. An actual leftish party [Greens] lost lower house seats.

>>2253509
>Kier Starmer except in the Land Down Under,
Kier Starmer is too much of a loser to be compared to Albo.

>>2253566
sir kier is also more right wing

>>2253567
Absolutely. No defense of labor or Albo. It's just true.

>>2252790
Opinion polls said Labor would lose until after Trump's stupidity affected Australia. It was Trump, they had few progressive policies.
>>2253507
The orgs in Australia need to participate in elections. Most people don't know about these orgs and elections make people know about your org.
>>2253534
A lot of those independents are like the Liberal Party, they just disagree with the party on social issues. The "teal independents" are worse than Labor.

>>2252985
we'd have 0.3% if the trots in student movement weren't splitters.

>>2253527
>>2253517
>treats-based politics
This is why anti-third worldist posts will always sound like hollow cope and seethe.

>>2253469
This.
No investigation of the CFMEU administration, no right to reply. Labor are anti-labour.

>>2252985
Sallies had a pathetic campaign, as usual. You could live next door to their headquarters and have no idea they exist.
WSWS were on at least one senate ballot too, just as an unlabeled group.


>>2253515
Justify this strange claim.

>>2253509
Nah, more like Obama. Rainbow F-35s type. && >>2253570


>>2253527
Did they rise compared to 2022?

>>2253534
reddit question, comr8 literally speaking :^) :
https://aussie.zone/post/20114176

>>2253561
><Also bad. An actual leftish party [Greens] lost lower house seats.
Seems like idealism. What would a lower house seat do? I honestly only care that they kept their senate cross bench power.

>>2254096
Found the Legalise Cannabis Australia voter

>>2253530

Adam Bandt will possibly lose because of an electoral distribution that made his seat marginal. They will lose their QLD seats because of a quirk of preferential voting. When the Liberals came second and Labor third the Greens ride to a win on Labor preferences. This time the Liberal vote completely collapsed and with the Liberals coming third Labor rides their preferences to beat the Greens.

Typical American chauvinism to think that they had any influence on the outcome of this election. The conservatives lost because they thought they could just not formulate any policy and ride the wave of economic discontent to victory.


>>2253534
Preferential voting. National electoral authority. Lower house electorates based on population of roughly 100,000 per. Upper house elects from a list at the state level. Independents are mostly disaffected former conservative members in regional areas who left over social issues or part of the very recent "teal" movement who are notionally independent soft conservatives running in the wealthiest electorates funded by an org. created by a billionaire to fuck over the conservatives. They are only notionally independent.


Also eat shit Americans, we knew who the winner was in half an hour of polls closing in our most Western state and had 80% of votes counted.

>>2254120
>by an org. created by a billionaire to fuck over the conservatives.
for what purpose? who is the billionaire?

>>2254131
Who the fuck knows. I knew the guy who runs that group administratively back in the day and he was a card carrying Labor right back. The bloke was a former Liberal and a mate of some of the people who unseated so if anything it seems like some sort of personal grudge.

*Labor right hack. The guy who founded the group was the former conservative with a grievance.

Whatever the reason it has utterly destroyed the conservatives. They can't match the group dollar for dollar and have lost all of their core urban safe seats. It's actually quite funny that what ruined them wasn't the fact that they are utterly hopeless, just that they got outspent in formerly safe electorates.

>>2254120
>funded by an org
Climate 200

>>2254131
>Simon Holmes à Court (born 1971 or 1972) is an Australian businessman and political activist. He is the son of Australia's first billionaire Robert Holmes à Court, and convenor of Climate 200. He is also a senior advisor to the Climate and Energy College at the University of Melbourne, as director of the Smart Energy Council and the Australian Environmental Grant-makers Network.
I (ignorantly) suspect green-booj or ""philanthropism"" because they're big booj spawn, rather than the original booj.

>>2254141
South African diamond mining family.

Don't get me wrong Labor is hopeless but what people don't realise is how fucking close we were to a minority Labor government reliant on billionaire funded hacks representing the country's richest electorates. An absolute worst case scenario.

>>2254146
elon musk alternate timeline where becomes georges sorus

>>2253938
how has drumpf affected australia?

>>2253938
>Opinion polls said Labor would lose until after Trump's stupidity affected Australia.
Aussies are just like leafs fr fr.

>>2254184
He tariff’d Australia despite our governments being complete bootlicking lackeys. We’ve supported the Americans in every conflict since WW2 except Panama/Grenada when the Americans didn’t ask. Most voters also aren’t interested in libertardism or anti-DEI stuff.

>>2254186
It didn't affect us. One company, Bluescope steel, got hit. They export steel cladding for roofing in California. The bulk of our US exports are gold bullion. Our government is quietly handling it in the WTO in the same way they handled Chinese tariffs, which were significantly more far reaching but had very little impact because we found alternative markets. We have negligible trade with the USA, so we give even less of a shit. Our government is not beating the drums of nationalism like the Canadians.

>>2254190
So do you disagree with the notion that Trump swung the election for Labour?

>>2253509
No, Kier is a true red Tory with no positive vision for the future of Britain. I don’t think the Albanese plan for “a future made in Australia” will work but it is better than being told austerity must increase so defence contractors can make more money.

>>2254192
Yes. Fundamentally. The conservatives lost the election because they had no policy platform. They were also fighting a two way battle and spending all of their election funding sandbagging formerly safe seats. People in Australia honestly don't give a shit about seppos. If this was an election about our relationship with America AUKUS would have featured much more prominently in our political debate; but I think we've accepted that were going to be subsidising US submarine manufacturing for the possibility of maybe getting submarines in the future.

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Left-of-Labor vote continues to rise

>The inexorable rise of the Left-of-Labor vote has, through 2016, 2019, 2022, and 2025, taken it from 11.7% to 21.9% in the Senate.


>The Left-of-Labor vote has grown by over 1% per year over the last four cycles. If this trend continues, Mirablis dicta it will be 25-30% within two cycles and the Left-of-Labor will regularly win 2 out of 6 senate seats per state- the red chamber indeed.


>You might think that this is just an overall trend toward minor parties which has favoured the right as much as the left, but that is not so- between 2016 and 2025, the Right-of-Coalition vote has only gone from 13.6 to 14.8, counting as Right-of-Coalition:


https://philosophybear.substack.com/p/the-australian-left-rises-what-everyone

>>2254192
NTA but I don’t think Trump swung it as much as the Liberals just not having any real positive policy. Their core message was “are you better off now than 3 years ago” but without presenting a serious set of policies on how they would fix things. They also pushed for nuclear power which has been unpopular in Australia since the ‘70s.

>>2254198
>>2254201
Very interesting comrades thanks.

>>2254201
The liberal platform was reduce tax on business lunches (lol?), nuclear power (it's too late and the electorate hates it), domestic gas reservation (good policy but they articulated it poorly), reduction in fuel tax (Labor offered better goodies to the electorate), sack all public servants and end work from home (huge own goal that made them look unserious), a shitty housing plan (Labor's was equally bad) and a reduction in immigration (good but again, they got cruelled in the media).

>>2254199
I’d argue this is mostly due to Labor moving right AND the Liberals moving right. In two elections unless things change the ALP will have swallowed all the Liberal “moderates”.

>>2254206
Whitlam moved the party to the right. Fifty years later Socdems lionise Whitlam without a thorough understanding of history. Whitlam did utterly bizarre things like bypassing the Constitution to finance infrastructure spending by securing a billion dollar loan through a random Pakistani financier. Also horrendously right-wing things like cheering on the Indonesian invasion of East Timor to keep the Indonesians on the right side of the cold war.

"When I joined the Labor Party, it contained the cream of the working class. But as I look about me now all I see are the dregs of the middle class. And what I want to know is when you middle class perverts are going to stop using the Labor Party as a spiritual spitoon."

t. Beazley Sr

>>2254212
Whitlam was in the old Labor tradition of corralling the workers away from communism while still looking out for national interest. Which is better than the modern ALP who are all sell outs to America.

Kim Beazley Sr was spot on about the change in class character of the ALP leadership. A pity his son was such a weird fucking Ameriboo.

>>2254212
>>2254232
Also this trend stems from the party bureaucracy going from being run by workers elected off the shop floor to their children who were sent to get university degrees and then given positions in the party.

I think preventing this trend is a key factor for any future socialist state. I think the idea in the Cultural Revolution that advanced workers should be sent to gain specialist technical knowledge is better at maintaining class character than the children with no work experience being given advanced education and put in charge of knowledgeable workers.

>>2254184
+ some parties started mirroring their rhetoric, like "government efficiency".

Also, Clive Palmer, who has been campaining on "Make Australia Great" since like 2016 and recently helped create the Trumpet of Patriots party (DO YOU GET THE REFERENCE??/)

>>2254251
Be happy that he's such an idiot. For the money he has spent trying to replicate his 2013 win he could have bought Fairfax media and a TV station.

>>2254253
Absolutely. I am grateful, make no mistake.

He has no style, he has no grace. This dong's cash is a fukken waste.

>>2252790
Countries seeing America go down the toilet and being like
<fuck that bullshit!
is not "stupid shit". It's a reasonable response.

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>>2254314
American libs are just as narcissistic as American conservatives. "Of course what every country on Earth does is because of us you fools."

>>2254107
>Justify this strange claim
The "centre" is the middle of the overton window not half way between communism and ANCAP.
In Australia 80 years ago state owned banks were considered normal and the state continuing to own the banks was a centrist position as you didn't want to make major changes.
Today the centrist position is having the banks remain privatized and the idea of renationalizing the banks would be considered far left.

Daily reminder that the australian ABC channel, despite its flaws, is better than the entire US mass media.

>>2254418
>"Of course what every country on Earth does is because of us you fools."
see >>2254113

>>2254655
No, all MSM in Australia has a Liberal bias including the ABC since Howard cut funding and ScoMo replaced the board with former Liberal staffers.
At least in the US they have some MSM biased towards the Dems and other biased towards the GOP.

>>2254418
Also, stop using facebook you subhuman.

I'm sure this will go perfectly fine for the people of Australia just like Labour in the UK has gone

>>2254662
The realistic options are Libs or Labor, Labor is way better for the working.
I'm all for talking shit about them and trying to push them left but lets do that after elections because they are still better than the alternative.

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and since many of you are fukken tourists, reminder that Albanese co-founded the Parliamentary Friends of Palestine and spoke at pro-Palestine rallies early in their career.

The Labor Party under Albanese has sided with the Zionist Regime, denounced Palestine protests, and we build a vital component of the F-35 bombers here.

>>2254662
fwiw we aren't terf island. Albo goes to Mardi Gras.

Read Bob Carr (pro-palestine FM) or Mark Liebler's (Head of Australian-Israel lobbying) memiors to see how insanely bent over the Australian Government is to Israel. Bob Carr pretty much outright says that figures like Liebler had more power over Australian policy than he did.

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Look how many people voted for Legalise Cannabis. Communist parties should call themselves something like that because it gets votes.

>The leader of a national environment group, who asked to speak anonymously to be candid about their views, said “they became a party of militant youth and lost their status as a party of the environment."

>Jeremy Buckingham says his biggest criticism of the party is the “vitriol” of their rhetoric, which he sums up as “calling the Albanese government complicit in genocide and expecting people to negotiate with them”.


>“Peace was one of the Greens’ foundational tenets, but they’re not peaceful in how they act, that’s because a lot of people from the hard left of politics, various socialist groups came into the Greens.”


>Others inside the party say the Greens have alienated older and more well-off voters with their rhetoric, as seen when Bandt wore a shirt saying: “FIGHTING FOR RENTERS”.


>“That meant home owners no longer felt at home in the party,” one senior Greens figure says.


<“That meant home owners no longer felt at home in the party,”


Lmao the Greens are rapidly regressing into a tree tory party again after Bandt lost his seat

https://www.smh.com.au/politics/federal/how-the-war-between-watermelons-and-tree-tories-brought-down-the-greens-20250507-p5lxfh.html

Relax Marxioid, real Hitlerites are in control.

>>2259975
Only Muslim cabinet member purged for having strong views on Gaza that were aired privately in the Cabinet room. Rumour has it that Dreyfus, the only Jew, was also purged for having some strong opinions on national security (he watered down some of the worst of Labor's tendancy). Both fall-outs with Marles and Penny Wong.

>>2259744
>Others inside the party say the Greens have alienated older and more well-off voters with their rhetoric, as seen when Bandt wore a shirt saying: “FIGHTING FOR RENTERS”.

Cool strategy for them. Run away from a demographic wave and became identical to the Liberals and Labor.

>>2252790
Sucking on that lil Trump dick I see…

>>2263610
The Tree tories have migrated over to the Teals surely? Either way, if they conservatise it's probably better for socialist politics.

So what?

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>>2266570
They will be competitive in senate races. More diversity in the senate is a good thing even if they are Trots/anarchists.

HELLO AUSTRALIANS
The Victorian Socialists are expanding to cover all States and Territories
In order to get them on the ballot they need as many members joining as they can get
They aim to get some senate seats and if they can get ballot access they will succeed
https://www.victoriansocialists.org.au/join

>>2266570
Even if you don't want to get involved, join them so they can be on the ballot.

>>2266570
>>2266596
>>2267254
>>2267681
Quick rundown of Vic Socialists for non-Australians? How are they different to the other socialist parties

>>2267875
They are the political wing of Socialist Alternative which is a Trotskyist/Cliffite group that is fairly prominent on Australian university campuses. I've personally never been fond of them. They shut down alternative left wing groups on campuses and take over protest movements. Given their work on shutting down independent left wing voices i suspect as a movement they are absolutely infested with glowies.

>>2252784
>red neolib
rude there red socdem :^C

>>2267875
>>2268024
Yep, technically an alliance (started with both Socialist Alternative and Socialist Alliance as the major parties with Sallies soon leaving: https://socialist-alliance.org/our-common-cause/2020-05-14/socialist-alliance-withdraws-victorian-socialists ) but might as well just be SAlt electoralist party.

>who are Communist Alternative (CAlt)?

A split from Solidarity (both are officially Cliffite orgs but act so differently you'd never know), SAlt are likely the largest socialist org in Australia, mostly students who sell newspapers and act like shitty Mormons for a few years and then burn out. Everyone knows a horror story from them, in fact a significant amount of my org are former SAlt members who left.
https://umsu.unimelb.edu.au/news/article/7797/Why-the-Left-Sucks-An-Inquiry-into-Campuss-Most-Hated-Political-Group/

They waste time trying to call people who already told them to fuck off because they didn't realise that environmental petition was just a tactic to get their phone number. Someone I know blocked their number so they got another member to start calling instead. One of their recruits asked my Palestinian friend who has family in Palestine, at a Palestine protest, if they were of the conflict, and when they said yes, just continued reciting the script anyway. Their branch at Sydney University got their members to strategically vote the Young Liberals (right-wing party) into a seat rather than give it to any of the anti-capitalist orgs. They're basically all the shit stereotypes of privileged White university liberals, it's actually impressive.

Caveat: many of them are actually decent people, this critique is nothing personal, but once they're around other members and have to toe the party line to avoid being ostracized, they're fucking horrible.

mp3 unrelated

>>2268024
>Given their work on shutting down independent left wing voices i suspect as a movement they are absolutely infested with glowies.
If CAlt didn't exist, feds would try to invent them.

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>90 replies
>no certified marxist analysis
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1913/jun/13.htm

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>>2269244
Over the weekend I'll scan this. It's fascinating reading. A huge anti-communist screed from 1944 written by the virulently anti-communist Labor premier of our largest state,

>>2269381
Please do, comrade! I can't see a copy online, even in Anna's Archive.

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*
Actually, not sure if you've been on a board that does this, but you can run a storytime thread if it's the kind of book that deserves it.
/co/ would sometimes upload pages of a comic one at a time while the thread makes fun of it and post OC parodies. I don't know if /leftypol/ ever did that, I suspect "This Godless Communism" may have gotten that treatment around 2016 (picsrel).

>>2269385
I'll give it a go - not sure how high the general interest will be though. Lang is an interesting figure for Aussies but less so I imagine for the rest of the board.

>>2252778
>center-left
are you retardo

>>2269381
dont waste your time scanning this
Australia is irrelevant. It's not even a real country, just a province of England

>>2269244
Lenin is lucky he never saw how bad it could get.

>>2254918
they already tried that. it's called to be a beatnik.

>>2269381
Please, and please put it on the books section of the internet archive or another place that people can find more easily.

One of Socialist Alliance's Senate candidates was interviewed by Mr Sikkant on TikTok
How do you think we went? Did he make a good impression
https://www.tiktok.com/@mrsikkant

>>2271082
Unpolished and unprofessional. I cringe to admit it but even Haz would be a better person to interview because he could hit the interviewer with a massive list of talking points but here the Socialist Alliance guy is caught off guard and is frantically scrambling as you can tell by his posture and constant thinking over of what to say.

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>>2271082
>skinnyfat
>lisp
>"the billionaire class"
>tax le rich (as if elon musk has billions in his personal bank account and not as shares in his companies)
>we need socialism
<cant even explain what socialism would look like
>"just give all your money away" (to who?)
>everyone's a cunt (especially you).
theyre not sending their best.

>>2271082
>How do you think we went?
>we
Do I look like an awkward retiree succdem to you?
i work at computers and have better posture, appearance shouldn't matter but it does in the electoral popularity contest

>>2271086
I will say good on them for immediately explaining that electoralism isn't the main route for change.

Yeah a media training session could do some good. Like at 2:00, they seem to be treating this like a personal argument, where "No." is a valid response to the interviewer's lay-up "But didn't Elon do all this stuff?", the interviewer then has to kind-of-awkwardly draw the reasoning out of the guy with follow-up questions and say "I'm not on his side" to try and make him realise it's a prompt, not an argument.
The interviewer is BEGGING for a critique of the "risk" argument for minutes.

oh god i just got to 5:00 and fucking hell no candidate should be saying that in response to a simple question about socialist society. Like yeah, you should be ready to summarise Marxist theory in a couple of sentences, it doesn't have to be rigorous but you have to give something, it took them a bit too long to find that it's a society where we're driven by [material] needs rather than profit. They kinda managed the innovation rebuttal.

Obviously it's easier for me here with a keyboard instead of a real-time interview, but my comrade in socialism, you're a fucking politician.

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Socialist Alliance has issued a statement about the Australia-wide expansion of Victorian Socialists, confirming they are NOT merging

>The comrades from Victorian Socialists/Socialist Alternative also asked for an assurance that Socialist Alliance would not block a request by them to change their name with the electoral commission.

>As the longest-standing federally registered party with “socialist” in the name, Socialist Alliance has first rights to its use.

>While Victorian Socialists is proposing to change its name to Socialist Party, in its expansion publicity it refers to itself simply as the "Socialists".

>This amounts to a de facto claim to exclusive use of the word and creates a real basis for confusion, especially if used on ballot papers. We remain open to further discussion about how to advance cooperation and greater unity.

https://socialist-alliance.org/news/2025-05-18/statement-socialist-alliance-national-expansion-victorian-socialists

>>2271101
>tax le rich (as if elon musk has billions in his personal bank account and not as shares in his companies)

thanks ben shapiro, literally saw him give the same argument

>>2273583
i mean yeah taxing the rich is impossible these days, you just can't tax em like you used to

>>2271101
I've never seen anyone who uses the word 'skinnyfat' have anything of value to say.
Curious.

>>2273588
you should go to the gym and stand up straight. it's good for you

>>2273583
most of a capitalist's "assets" are their means of production. how do you "tax" that out of people? its a stupid argument because it shows economic illiteracy. its on the same level as saying that printing billions of dollars creates billions of dollars of more value. what objective factor does erasing the income of elon musk have except that elon simply has less money?
>>2273588
are you a skinnyfat yourself, perchance?

>In Victoria, three sources said membership numbers were between 9,000 and 10,000 […]

>A former member of the Victorian Liberal executive said the division had about 15,000 members close to 20 years ago. The party has since shed members, according to the source, and the average age of those who remain has climbed to 68.


>“One of the biggest expenses we used to have [at our local branch] was on funeral wreaths,” they said. “We’d be down at the florist every week handing over $70.”

lmao


>>2252784
Except the tiny detail that Israel has a deep social-democratic tradition and is more socialist than Palestine ever can hope to be. Oh wait are you confusing the current culture war bullshit for actual politics again?

>>2290077
that sounds like a line ripped verbatim out of a satire piece, holy shit man


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