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Not reporting is bourgeois


 

Americans elected a literal fascist. Elon Musk did the Nazi salute during the inauguration. Fascist “manosphere” Internet personalities like Andrew Tate, Sneako, Adin Ross, and Fresh&Fit are mainstream cultural icons. Israel and India are run by fascists. RFK is openly calling for the US gov to commit eugenics against autistic people, identical to Aktion T4. A racist who’re woman was given $700k by online donors after she called an autistic Black boy a racial slur. And now, one of the most famous musicians in the world (Kanye West) released a song praising Hitler.

It’s done. Fascism and Nazism have become normalized again in western culture.
361 posts and 57 image replies omitted.

>>2261324
oh so lenin thought it was important to shut down his political opposition in the culture war… but I thought the culture war wasn't important? See, you took the bait so easily and proved my point.

>>2261320
There is no fascist movement in America today and if there were you absolutely could not defeat it simply by having the "better ideas" and assuming that your subjective moral values are somehow inherently destined to always win and that focusing on culture is anything but a waste of time for the proletariat who already has little to no time to waste. You're literally just a resist lib.

>>2261330
>focusing on culture is a waste of time
<so by this logic we should actually focus on culture!!
Bruh I hope this is just a troll at this point.

>>2261322
>lol unironically doing the 'replace bourgeois with jew' bit

that's not what I was doing. I was merely saying you were making shit up about me instead of attacking my argument directly. You called me bourgeois and the other guy I was arguing with earlier ITT called me rabbi. This actually happened. It wasn't a ctrl F analogy you idiot.

>>2261328
The story doesn't sound implausible at all. It has verisimilitude. I believe it.

>>2261334
the obsession with the realm of ideas is exclusively a bourgeois endeavor, yes

>>2261330
the illiteracy of americans is astounding. maybe this will be more understandable to your little brain?

>The patronizing and errant lecturing of our so-called intellectuals seems to me a far greater impediment. We are still in need of technicians, agronomists, engineers, chemists, architects, etc., it is true, but if the worst comes to the worst we can always buy them just as well as the capitalists buy them, and if a severe example is made of a few of the traders among them — for traders there are sure to be — they will find it to their own advantage to deal fairly with us. But apart from the specialists, among whom I also include schoolteachers, we can get along perfectly well without the other “intellectuals.” The present influx of literati and students into the party, for example, may be quite damaging if these gentlemen are not properly kept in check.

>The biggest obstacles are the small peasants and the importunate super-clever intellectuals who always think they know everything so much the better, the less they understand it.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htm

>>2261332
>Bruh I hope this is just a troll at this point.
No Lenin specifically went out of the way to shut down his counterrevolutionary opponents who were trying to smuggle bourgeois culture in through proletarian culture… because they were a potential source of counterrevolutionary agitation. This proves my point exactly. Fascists are trying to make themselves look like the proletarian opposition to the ruling class. You say "oh this just a culture war it doesn't matter" ''and yet despite how little this supposedly matters to you, you stay with this page open replying to me because it's clearly important for you to shut down anyone thinking it does matter'. Just stop replying if it doesn't matter. My thesis is that it matters. Your thesis is that it does not. Practice what you preach and shut the fuck up. But you won't because it secretly does matter to you.

>>2261337
>the obsession with the realm of ideas is exclusively a bourgeois endeavor, yes

why are you replying to me?

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>>2261343
This is like retards who think Lenin talking about "bourgeois democracy" means there must be a "proletarian democracy". Absolute state of burgers, god damn.

>>2261347
why are you replying to me? why are you waging culture war right now? none of this matters.

>>2261343
>You say "oh this just a culture war it doesn't matter" ''and yet despite how little this supposedly matters to you, you stay with this page open replying to me because it's clearly important for you to shut down anyone thinking it does matter'.
damn marxists criticizing opportunists actually means the opportunists are right. real twitter brain moment here

>>2261349
rofl did your brain get broken

>>2261350
not what I said. try again

>>2261349
Lol no matter how much you stomp your feet you'll always be the minority position that's involved in stupid American culture wars.

>>2261288
>Once again ignoring the point and playing dumb. I don't think I can possibly rephrase this for you anymore. Reread the last reply.
If I'm bothering to make a reply that's articulating a point that addresses one of the main premises, it's unlikely that I'm playing dumb. Yes, I understood what you were saying in regards to minstrel shows and back on black violence being seen as acceptable. No, I don't think it's this simple when you consider interethnic violence not being condoned in any capacity elsewhere.
>Forget the interethnic angle. Why is it acceptable if it is not interethnic?
You could say it's liberal racial baggage and/or a contradiction of the value system we live in that selects out explicit statements of interethnic violence, leaving only intraethnic violence as the standard. The primary focus among the mass consciousness isn't the use of violence (which is standard in all media), it's the participants in that violence and what it evokes in a larger social context. A black man killing a black man or a white man killing a white man doesn't evoke certain social image to it as an intraethnic image of violence would. Violence is standard, but racist violence is a level above that. A poster showing a man stomping a man of the same race is standard. A poster showing a man stomping a man of a different race is distasteful because of what it additionally evokes. This of course becomes a bit more complex when discussing majority vs minority relations.

>>2261347
>This is like retards who think Lenin talking about "bourgeois democracy" means there must be a "proletarian democracy".

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/prrk/democracy.htm
>Proletarian democracy is a million times more democratic than any bourgeois democracy; Soviet power is a million times more democratic than the most democratic bourgeois republic.

>>2261356
When Lenin speaks of 'proletarian democracy', he does not mean some special democratic forms that are reserved for use only by the proletariat. He means democracy that is dominated by the proletariat, a proletariat which has repressed the bourgeoisie from political life. It's not just taking existing democracy and "just turning it proletarian".

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>>2261359
<This is like retards who think Lenin talking about "bourgeois democracy" means there must be a "proletarian democracy". Absolute state of burgers, god damn.
>when lenin says proletarian democracy he actually means… uh uh

what a backpedal. kys

>>2261352
thats because you have nothing of weight to say beyond your average newspaper article about how "we" (who?) must "fight fascism"

>>2261361
>you have nothing of weight to say and this is all unimportant, that's why i keep replying to you and making up shit you didn't say and attacking that instead, and implying you are secretly bourgeois
ok

>>2261360
>backpedal
The whole point is that fascism can't be defeated by 'culture' any more than capitalism can be destroyed by 'culture'. Fascism is a class movement of the bourgeoisie and must be opposed by the proletariat on its own class terrain, not obsessing over fucking culture because that's all your politically impotent ass can ever do.

>>2261362
i predict you will say we have to vote to defeat fascism in the next 10 posts

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>>2261364
<This is like retards who think Lenin talking about "bourgeois democracy" means there must be a "proletarian democracy". Absolute state of burgers, god damn.
>when lenin says proletarian democracy he actually means… uh uh
>i'm not backpedaling actually i'm uh uh
just close the tab bro. I'm doing that right now. see ya.

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It would be better if all """communists""" of this type dropped the pretense and just admitted to being literati and cultural commentators. There’s nothing communist about limiting your """critique""" to the artistic expressions of a mode of production.

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>>2261312
>>2261320
>>2261330
>>2261343

>lenin shut down the proletkult project not because it inherently attracts bourgeois and petit bourgeois but because lenin believed fighting cultural wars was communist


amazing case of reading whatever fits your preconceived petit bourgeois biases

>>2261320
It's ok anon, these are the same people who will celebrate an analysis that discusses how fascism develops in a failing capitalist state, but when fascist rhetoric starts developing in a major failing imperialist power that has failed in nearly all of its recent conflicts, will deny it as hysterical because "muh libs".

>>2261369
>It would be better if all """communists""" of this type dropped the pretense and just admitted to being literati and cultural commentators. There’s nothing communist about limiting your """critique""" to the artistic expressions of a mode of production.
I don't see anyone here limiting their critique to only artistic expression, just willing to critique such expression on top of existing critiques of the mode of production. I don't think marxists have historically only critiqued the base and not the superstructure, or explored the relation between the two.

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>>2261384
NTA but the reactionaries who are waging the culture war the hardest are the ones insisting it's unimportant, mere irony, and that everyone who criticizes them is a kvetching rabbi like
>>2261129
>Stop spamming your dogshit crypto zionism Rabbi
and >>2261102
>I've seen plenty of kvetching about it

, and they are pathologically unable to disengage when told to even though it is allegedly unimportant to them. They'll even make shit up you didn't say, attack that instead, so the conversation moves away from what you did say to what they would have you say that is easier to defeat in the "unimportant culture war". Sometimes they'll even do this pre-emptively like
>>2261365
>i predict you will say we have to vote to defeat fascism in the next 10 posts

It is all so convenient. The more clever ones will say normalization of fascism is just some edgy shit kids do like

>>2261066
>because it transgresses against the social norms? same reason why people draw pentagrams and other stuff, purely to aggravate others

while not questioning why is it apparently important for some people to be anti-social and constantly try to aggravate others, and whether these "others" are deliberately picked targets or not like >>2261093 pointed out:

>so your thesis is that teenagers merely like to aggravate people for no reason by transgressing social norms, but haven't you noticed that they pick and choose which targets they aggravate and which social norms they want to transgress? Have you noticed that communist teenagers transgress anti-communist social norms because they're communist and want to normalize communism, while nazi teenagers transgress anti-genocide social norms because they're nazis and want to normalize genocide?


you can ctrl+f a lot of question marks ITT and find the questions not getting answered, but dismissed as unimportant.

>>2261376
>your preconceived petit bourgeois biases
muahahahahah i am bourgeois!!!!! i exploit the proletariat!!!! i argue with them on leftypol and they argue back instead of killing me!!! what idiots obsessed with culture war they are!!!!!

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Kanye West is a long term psy op by Netanyahu to scare the remaining American Jews into moving to Israel, change my mind.

>>2260108
that's the worst mixed, reverb smeared. gated reverb 80's shit I've ever heard. why is nazi music such fucking cancer?

99% of this board genuinely thinks the song is harmful and dangerous lmfao

>america elects a fascist
>nothing actually changes
makes you think…

>>2265621
Trump isn't a fascist, stop diluting that word.

If the culture war is unimportant then why does it net so many material Ws for the right wing

>>2261792
If only…

>>2265610
Did you do a poll? how do you know one anon didn't answer twice?

>>2265641
the joke
your head

>>2265651
I have the song on repeat

>>2265651
>>2265610
>she thinks leftypol has 100+ users
We would have to have at least 100 users for 99% to be anything.

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>>2265654
you're losing braincells
>>2265649
>zionism is le good because it makes the jews leave my country
thanks for proving zionism and nazism are the same thing at this point

>>2265660
Sorry most are my schizo deludions shadow pplmy bad

>>2265672
I actually compared zionists to nazis, this includes evangelikkkal christoids who lick israeli boot, not just da jooz

>>2265661
>>zionism is le good because it makes the jews leave my country
>thanks for proving zionism and nazism are the same thing at this point
I'm open to other locations. Maybe the problem is we've been entirely focused on possible terrestrial locations for them. Has anyone ever considered the sun might be a much better location for the state of Israel? Lots of surface area for them to establish The Jewish State

>>2265672
I'm sure you also hate the "mudslimes" and none of this is about genocide against palestinians for you, you are just an unironic nazi and you're jealous that it's Muh Jooz doing colonialism against Muh Mudslimes and not Muh Hwites


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>>2259277
>It’s done. Fascism and Nazism have become normalized again in western culture
It's so exciting. So many possibilities are opening up for the future. It's like creating a whole new world.

>>2261167
>Peter Thiel is infinitely more successful at controlling politics than Soros ever was
Thiel is much worse at bringing any results, though. Soros was a better builder.
Just look at the garbage NYC art scene(s) Thiel is funding lmao.

ທ່າສັບມາທ ສໍາລັມມາທ >>2259307 soalab bath thasab math


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