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Not reporting is bourgeois


 

Americans elected a literal fascist. Elon Musk did the Nazi salute during the inauguration. Fascist “manosphere” Internet personalities like Andrew Tate, Sneako, Adin Ross, and Fresh&Fit are mainstream cultural icons. Israel and India are run by fascists. RFK is openly calling for the US gov to commit eugenics against autistic people, identical to Aktion T4. A racist who’re woman was given $700k by online donors after she called an autistic Black boy a racial slur. And now, one of the most famous musicians in the world (Kanye West) released a song praising Hitler.

It’s done. Fascism and Nazism have become normalized again in western culture.

Nihilist fantasy. It is merely just beginning.

>>2259279
What are comrades doing to fight it?

>fascist flag
>fear mongering over 'fascism' (lukewarm conservative vibes based ideology)
Many such cases

>Andrew Tate, Sneako, Adin Ross, and Fresh&Fit are mainstream cultural icons
I'm sure they have been doxxed. They do public appearances.
>A racist who’re woman was given $700k by online donors after she called an autistic Black boy a racial slur.
She has a name and an address.
>Elon Musk did the Nazi salute during the inauguration
https://www.tesla.com/findus

>The representatives of the modern labour movement find that they have plenty to protest against but nothing to despair about. Despair is typical of the classes which are perishing, but the class of wage-workers is growing inevitably, developing and becoming strong in every capitalist society, Russia included. Despair is typical of those who do not understand the causes of evil, see no way out, and are incapable of struggle. The modern industrial proletariat does not belong to the category of such classes.

Kanye West is a retard just doing it for the attention. Nobody likes his ass, least of all the people currently in power.

>>2259326
He’s a billionaire and one of the most famous musicians alive. He performs in China to sold out stadiums.

Jesus fucking Christ

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>Lekose Music Group is an Independent Record Label and Music Distribution Service founded by Chris T. Lukose.
>Indian-American entrepreneur. Born and raised in the Greater Chicago area by immigrant parents from Kerala, India. On a mission to reshape the music industry and inspire thousands of artists and millions of listeners globally.

>>2259336
>Indian
no patterns here, move along

>>2259344
Dare we call a "Pajeet Conspiracy"?

Overton Window is officially dead.

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>>2259384
They will not be silenced until someone silences them.

>>2259277
>one of the most famous musicians in the world (Kanye West) released a song praising Hitler.
This isn't actually important as most people just see him a narcissistic schizo, which is probably a fairly accurate diagnosis

>Watches video
>Looks to comments
>Loser nazis and fascists coming out to circlejerk each other
I hate this timeline.
Why couldn't Ye become a Stalinist?
Why couldn't he side with an actual Winner?

>>2259417
It's genuinely so absurd to see 2016 /pol/ shit everywhere sometimes I question if I'm in a coma or something.

As opposed to before where the fascism was quieter and thus harder to mobilize one's community against?

>>2259417
>why didn't a billionaire become a stalinist
it is truly a mystery

>>2259304
What a naive question.
>Americans elected a literal fascist
That’s always been the case. And how naive of you to say Americans rather than simply the bourgeois. Because that’s what this all is, dictatorship of the bourgeois.

>Fascist “manosphere” Internet personalities like Andrew Tate, Sneako, Adin Ross, and Fresh&Fit are mainstream cultural icons

They have mainstream publicity, not popularity. They’re more akin to Alex Jones than anything. The overblown concern about them is more concerning than the fools themselves.
>Israel and India are run by fascists
Were you born yesterday?
>RFK is openly calling for the US gov to commit eugenics against autistic people, identical to Aktion T4
RFK is a moron flying too close to the sun. He is concerning, but he is also self destructive.
>A racist who’re woman was given $700k by online donors after she called an autistic Black boy a racial slur
Racists have a lot of money after benefiting from a racial caste system and racial discrimination. Surprise, surprise.

>And now, one of the most famous musicians in the world (Kanye West) released a song praising Hitler.

>muh favorite celebrity
I’m shaking my head in disapproval. You should be less concerned about comrades are doing, and more concerned about educating yourself out of your naive state. Your nihilism is unfounded and immature.

I'm trying to find the lyrics but the internet is fucking scrubbed holy shit.
What are they hiding from us?

>>2259427
Stalin ran a multi-trillion dollar empire so moot point.

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>>2259433
Literally everything is scrubbed nowadays you can't find anything unless you already know the site.
googling "ye new song"
Results:
84 yt links
a whole lot of xitter links i'm not gonna count
some Instagram links
2 links to r/kanye
some tiktok links
20 something corpo news sites
Soundcloud link
Apple music link
Spotify links
Billboard link
Genius
END after 16 pages (because of course "ye new song" is only talked about in 160 links on the entire fucking internet)

Andrew Tate isn't actually popular and you've fallen for the psyop

>>2259393
It shows that people will accept fucking HITLER praise songs in 2025. That’s scary as hell.

-Boring performative commodification of dead ideologies as far as Kanye is confirmed.
-It's funny you mention Shiloh but not the countless number of black people who donated to Antony just for being black and killing a white person. However in the long history of things things like these have always existed I hate to say it but Settlers talks about it quite well.
-The manosphere is a commodified desperate attempt to trick men going through a crisis for a variety of reasons.

I'm not impressed. I don't care about any of this. I personally think if you're going into shock because
>People are bumping songs praising Hitler
I think you put too much faith into liberal ideas rather than analysis of human material conditions.
Fascism is normalized again?
Bitch it has been normalized since 100 b.c if not before.
It never stopped being normalized.
This thread is unnecessary defeatism, none of this should affect you personally unironically.

>>2259277
>”yes I am a cuck”

>>2259304
Support China

I'm actually begging you to read Bordiga's report on fascism. There is literally no need for the US for a fascist government, since the american people are already fully convinced of the bourgeoisie system

>>2259455
The age of search engines has been over for a while now. We're in a new age of manual indexing, if you know anything, put it somewhere on your website.

>>2259455
>>2259538
The second internet will be a communist one built over the ashes of the capitalist first internet.

>UYGHA HEIL HITLER
<UYGHA HEIL HITLER
>UYGHA HEIL HITLER
<UYGHA HEIL HITLER

I listened to this song.
It's permanently stuck in my head on repeat.
Fuck you Ye.
I wish I could fuck your slutwife for you.

>>2259277
unironically good, I'm gonna be playing this on repeat for a while.

>>2259435
fishing pole in the water type bait

>fascism is whenever i dont like liberalism
>its over dont do anything (except VOOOOTING)
radlib tantrum

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>>2259417
it's kinda funny how pathetic nazis are, even compared to the pathetic OG nazis from the 30s and 40s. They get excited when the type of guy who Hitler would have called a degenerate monkey makes music praising them out of a need to be edgy. That's all they have is edge.

>>2259277
bruh wtf is going on
how is this song real
i have to be living in some sort of absurdist hellscape being toyed by some power that wants to torment me

>THAT BEAT IS FIRE BRO
This is why I hate Amerikans.

>>2259609
At the very least the OG nazis were legitimate nerds.

>seeing fascism reduced to meaningless aesthetic signifiers means fascism 'won'
The absolute surface level of analysis retards here have, lmao.

>>2259635
midwit.

>>2259593
Are you retarded? It sounds like shit. It doesn't hold a candle to his 00s albums like College Dropout or MBDTF.
>>2259586
these posts have to be /pol/tards pretending to like this

>>2259662
>midwit.
Says the liberal loser in hysterics over the marketplace of ideas.

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For a place constantly decrying culture war issues you retards sure love falling for them anyway.

>>2259393
His song is already normalizing Nazi slogans and oppressive language.

Realize the Nazis exterminated the disabled first. You cry about RFK but will excuse Ye simply because he made a catchy song.

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>>2259681
it's not even catchy. it's a song about him being a cuck (literally he says he's a cuck and likes when people fuck his woman) and being a butthurt divorced dad that he can't see his kids and that he's trashing his brain with nitrous.

if anything it makes nazis out to be unhinged.

>>2259664
Probably, explain how it's actually worse than his previous work.

She took the fucking kids and now I’m a black Nazi😤


>>2259725
That’s how it always works though. The men’s rights movement of the early 2010s was the biggest gateway drug to the alt-right a few years later.

Can we ask Caleb Maupin to react to the song on livestream?

Erm, fascism has existed since the Big Bang, stop being alarmist, lib.

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>>2259627
>top pinned comment
>"I literally live in Israel and am Jewish and have been playing this all day."

>>2259277
All you have to do is to merely normalize class conscious within those individuals and the rest will fall into place.

>>2259586
I heard it a few days ago and already don't remember a smidge of it. Didn't even know it was Kanye until I went to the tab to skip. He sounds like a soundcloud Tom MacDonald clone now, like what the hell happened to his voice and what was that sad excuse of a beat he used?

>>2259743
Even fascists who understand how capitalism works will still blame Jews and feminism for society’s decline.

none of this matters because of dialectical materialism and material conditions (i have no idea what those are)

>>2259741
I don’t see it. Screenshot?

let's just hope ye follows his leader

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>>2259627
>He’s saying you wanna turn me into a mythological evil villain and take my kids and cancel me….well HH y’all. Someone has to be the villain. This song captures how it feels to be pushed past your limit. It’s painful and genius.

Bros I fucking can't with these people.

>>2259747
>Dialectics (in the hegel sense)
The use of immanent critique, or using the internal logic of an idea to find contradictions in it, as opposed to a trancendental critique, where the critic uses their own ideals as a standard to criticize as though they are universal or "objective".
>dialectical materialism
The understanding the the material conditions that people inhabit effects the culture those people have–the superstructure–and the people with that culture interact with and influence the the material base in accordance with their cultural preconceptions. (picrel)
Marx came up with the base-superstructure dialectic using dialectics. I don't remember how.
>material conditions
What it says on the tin: the conditions in which things happen which are relevant to things happening–as in, are materially relevant to that which happens.

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>>2259627
>>2259756
I know
>youtube comments
but jesus fucking christ, this is bleak

>I definitely don't think WW2 happened in the same way as history has told us and we need people like Kanye to tell us what is what. And I'm Polish

>I've a strong feeling a failed Austrian art student would appreciate this song.
>When you understand who you’re not aloud to criticize, or speak ill of.. the more epic this song gets
>The song of the day 😂😂 Jews have a knack for messing with the wrong guy… Kanye is starting something i'm afraid they won't be able to contain
>Amazing. I have hope for the younger generation.
>Ye's get back game is craaaazy, they wanted to play with his Yeezy deal and freeze his money… now he got the whole world chanting
>With all the money and fame I can't see my children, ask yourself why he became "Anti-semitic" if this word still carry any weight, song is fire

>>2259763
i never got people like this
>i dont trust books, all the thousand different historians are lying!
<instead of reading i will trust this random youtuber/tiktoker/celebrity with no credentials!

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ngl it's kinda catchy

>>2259766
they just want to feel special and smarter than everyone else, so they'll latch onto any crackpot alternative take they find.

>>2259767
Heil hitler? More like Piled Shitler

>>2259768
i guess so. as a history autist it does trigger me when i see people who lack any sort of interest in a specific subject matter spreading bullshit about it in such a confident way.

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>>2259763
youtube comments are always astroturfed by the uploader, especially if the uploader is a corporation or famous person. You pay for comments the same way you pay for dancers or extras in a music video. How do people still not get this?

>>2259767
>autotune mumble rap
>catchy

>center left liberal when a center right liberal beats them in an election

>>2259783
He's some small music review channel, I doubt it in this case

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>>2259756
well in the lyrics he does call himself the villain so I guess that makes us the heroes.

>>2259786
sorry it couldn't be rage against the machine or some lame backpacker rap that rails hard against the capitalist system maaaaaan

Ruling class media apparatus always produces the most disgusting fascistic dreck and loves seeing little people crushed until they're brainwashed and ruined like Kanye. Why are you so responsive to a thing that was always the tool of the enemy?

When do you people obtain some spine and "name the Jew" so to speak? That is, name your enemies and stop cowering like a bunch of faggots, and speak of something being different. You can't, though. All of the philosophies given to you forbid that. That would be "retarded".

>>2259805
well that's the problem isn't it? to be catchy you have to be retarded and have no real message

>>2259786
i actually thought it was some AI parody at first, theres something off about that voice. kanye really fell off man

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>>2259806
>bro just use art to like change the world
how about we do this instead

For the very real march of Nazism and eugenics, that started well before this, and they operated without "normalization". They made themselves normal by insinuating over and over that this is… except it never was normal. Eugenics always stinks to high heaven and has to insist you're not allowed to do anything but love it. It is by its nature ultraviolent and totalizing. Yet, people do resist because they must, and the regime always chose to escalate and create more "controversy" until the people are exhausted. You have RFK as the spokesman because what they were doing in the 1990s no longer worked. Too many parents, too many people, saw what was done and saw that letting that continue was wholly against their interests, to the benefit of the people who took their country to war and insisted on enclosure and suffering for their own sake. That's why they had to move to "trans" and extreme, ultraviolent sexual politics to "teach the controversy" further, while open democide, extermination, torture, continued since the 1990s. All of what they did in the 1990s was to prepare the country for Bush and the "war or terror", that is to say the backing of terrorists to destroy large parts of the world and establish kill zones. Every time someone does something that would work against this course of actions, some dumb faggot keeps returning to the "grand narrative theory of history" for their spurious claims that they're going to change the world by thought alone. It's insane but you people keep doing it because your theory tells you to do it every single time, and it can't not.

>>2259807
>to be catchy you have to be retarded and have no real message
No, you just need a good melody and rhythm. A song can be catchy without lyrics.

>>2259811
>i actually thought it was some AI parody at first, theres something off about that voice. kanye really fell off man
huh? he's been using autotune since his earlier albums

>>2259600
It's true. Stalin was a rich chad.

>>2259819
>without lyrics.
ah, so no real message

>>2259823
>I just HAVE to be right
okay buddy
You said retarded *and* no real message.

>>2259817
blah blah blah eugenicskun is back mods ban this guy it's the same old song 10000x times over, pontificating.

Meanwhile, Kanye fulfills the dialectic and transcends racism by completing it. A walking paradox, an true artist.

>>2259827
>Meanwhile, Kanye fulfills the dialectic and transcends racism by completing it. A walking paradox, an true artist.
Have my own issues with Eugene, but you're just irony posioned faggot.

>>2259831
If you think that post should be read seriously or post ironically or as anything other than a shitpost in contrarian response to the guy who terminally stinks up the board by screeching from the exact same paradigm/worldview until the end of time, then well… not much to say, fam.

>>2259824
ok OR, then

ngl the song has been stuck in my head for the past two days now. it's kind of awesome Kanye West is going to become the first and only talented fascist American artist.

>>2259840
the last of his talent disappeared after life of pablo, his brain is scrambled by drugs. he is a husk compared to who he was when he made college dropout and graduation.

>>2259843
it's still immensely interesting to see what's left of his brain cells directed towards this shit. can't wait for white boy summer 2.0 with them chanting about how yes they're cucks who like to see people fuck on their bitches.

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>>2259846
chinlets are finally gonna kill hip hop
it's funny to watch all these nick fuentes type kids who were in the womb when Mos Def and Ye collabed on Two Words acting like they love him just because he's speaking about their "kampf"

>>2259848
Or a situation like the MLP fandom where it mitosises into one hip hop community that's queer and good at music, and another hiphop community that lurks on 4chan while waiting for the next Kanye and Tom MacDonald to drop.

>>2259786
Hip hop in general is reactionary and anti-worker.

We need less Kanyes and Kendricks and more Woodie Guthries and Pete Seegers.

>>2259839
I know, I know, you just have to be right.

>>2259862
> Woodie Guthries and Pete Seegers
Boring and lame, grandpa

>>2259862
>>2259848
Good thing hip-hop is losing relevance.

>>2259872
Kanye’s final stand will be the kiss of death for hip hop.

>>2259871
This. Better writers than musicians. Can't really listen to folk music. It sounds way too amateurish for my tastes.

>>2259277
>mfw it took Ye seven ghostwriters and three ghost producers to make this dogshit

>>2259886
It will go underground or just be absorbed into country music.

>>2259812
Post this on Twatter and say “punch a Nazi” and watch all of the shitlibs freak out

>>2259277
Stop calling everything fascism, makes you look stvpid.

>>2259277
I prefer the choir version.

>>2259277
I wonder if Ye knows how nazis feel about POC

big ol pile shitler
all my piggas patsies man
big ol pile shitler

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>>2260001
When I was living in France about 10 years ago a friend of mine in the US sent me a YouTube video of Hörst Vessel Lied over Skype and the video wouldn't show up, because anything Nazi-related is blocked in France.

>>2260011
Damn, how do they learn about WW2?

>>2260012
General WWII history videos are allowed but anything that glorifies Nazism or Hitler are strictly blocked.

>>2260015
Damn, that's crazy. Not even Mel Brooks movies?

>>2260023
Pretty sure that's allowed. Again, it's stuff made by neo-Nazis that glorifies Hitler and Nazism that's banned. But a parody song like Springtime for Hitler would be allowed.

>>2259433
it's literally on genius, schizo

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Why don't Spotify and Apple Music simply remove all of Ye's music past and present (yes, including Graduation and MBDTF)? People have demanded Israeli artists have their entire discographies removed too so why not that of a literal Nazi?



>>2259862
You VILL listen to chinese revolutionary hip hop on BiliBili and you VILL be happy.

>>2260034
Yeah, I wonder why they had to circumvent the system with a fake title and a fake artist.

>>2260039
tfw the persecution is so trash the censorship fails to actually censor anything

do black people even like kanye? He always felt like a white guy's rapper.

>>2260046
I heard Vince Staples the Long Beach Crip rapper going on about how Kanye is a visionary who made it cool for street nibbas to wear skinny jeans.

>I ain't never ran from nothin' but the police

>I ain't never ran from nothin' but the police
>I ain't never ran from nothin' but the police
>From the city where the skinny carry strong heat
>Norfside, Long Beach, Norfside, Long Beach

>mentally ill, drug addicted black rapper drops a pro-Nazi song that mentions being a cuckold
Chuds are really desperate if they think this is a “W”.

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>>2260056
uygha heil hitler.

If a McDonalds mascot and a cartoon stoner frog can be a Nazi, why can't a schizo-cuck uyghur rapper be one?

We've been living with pomo deconstructionist post-ironic meme nazism for over a decade at this point, where have you been.

>>2260046
A lot of people still fuck with Kanye in spite of the Nazi shit.

>dogshit combo of culture thread + burger thread
the petit bourgeois need to get actual problems holy shit

>>2260059
>Hitler’s legacy: Memes
>Stalin’s legacy: People’s Republic of China
Yeah, I think we won.

>>2260076
mao and stalin hated each other. absolute state of this illiterate shithole

>>2259904
/thread

>>2259277
Cool to see self-described “communists” express the same misanthropic metaphysical outlook on humanity and class society as my libertarian-conservative dad lol.

>>2259904
Ghostwriters should unionize so we stop getting endless slop.

TRVTH NVKE comment

Kanye has never killed anyone, never been to jail for any extended period, never been known to beat kids or women and no felonies

I can name many rappers who do monsterous things and people happily listen to them and promote them. Even when finally go to jail for murder people say 'free whatever their name is" even wearing shirts about it. No I'm not some boomer I grew up around this

>>2260078
>mao and stalin hated each other
Source: I made it up

>>2260087
Yupp like they had no problem with dababy talking about killing uyghurs and even endorsed it, but the second he said "don't catch aids sucking dick in the parking lot after the show" he was cancelled.

>>2260087
Kanye is a wifebeater though.

Also, he's a Nazi. Comrades talk candidly about killing "Zionists" simply due to their political views, not because they've actually killed Palestinians. Why are people with openly fascist views let off the hook?

>>2260032
Then they'd have to pull Di6's entire discography too.

>>2259417
The comments praising Ye scare me more than Ye himself.

>>2260106
Kanye West is not a wife beater. There is zero evidence of this. Stop making shit up

>>2260087
>>2260094
>Implying
Everytime anything controversial ever happens with any artist, there's always 100% of the time worms like you that go "b-but what about X? Are you ok with X you hypocrite?". Doesn't matter the genre, metal, rock, folk, r&b etc.. It's not only stupid because it implies that the person taking issue must also be the same kind of person that likes another controversial artist, but is a complete non-sequitor when discussing a given work or action. People aren't saying you can't listen to any old Kanye song, they're saing that this Kanye song is explicitly pretty fucking bad. Is everyone 100% consistent in their "values" all the time? No, this site everyday is pretty good evidence of that. But when a song just goes "Yeah, I love Hitler", people take issue, and your first response is "but what about this song?", it's pretty obviously not done in good faith. He's not even playing a character, playing up events that probably never happened, or even just retelling events that come with growing up in a certain place or time and having to do some not great things. He just says "Heil Hitler", and what "art" are you supposed to separate from the artist with that?

See this shit in metal all the time, it's infantile as fuck. There are so many things you'd never be able to talk about if you went tit for tat when trying to discuss issues with a song or a bandmember.

>>2260128
Well the example I mentioned is literally apples to apples, dababy vs dababy. We are just pointing out how celebrated it is to glorify murder and villainy as long as uyghurs are the target.

It isn't a "whatabputism" at all because this is the character of popular rap music which never draws any reaction, but the second Jews are mentioned it is the crime of the century. Same if they rapped abouz killing Whitey or Asians or anyone else for that matter. They forced YG to redact his lyrics about merely burglarizing empty Asian homes, but no one ever said shit about him talking about killing a dozen uyghas.

To make it simple for you, the minstrel show has parameters, and one of the parameters is that it must only glorify uyghur on uyghur animosity and violence.

https://www.rollingstone.com/music/music-news/ygs-meet-the-flockers-removed-anti-asian-lyrics-1151805/
<YG’s ‘Meet the Flockers’ Returns to Streaming With Anti-Asian Lyrics Removed
>New version edits out lyrics that encourage targeting "Chinese neighborhoods" for burglary

>>2260135
I don't agree with this take, because this applies to any race singing about killing another race. You can't in good conscience tell me that if an asian man started singing about killing black people, that would be taken the same as an asian man singing about killing other asain people. People don't socially don't like it when you lyrics go off about killing another race, when the context of it is primarily race based. There's a lot issues to bring up regarding black people and the music industry, but this isn't one of them, or at least unique to black people. Singing about committing violence on a group that is generally made up of a certain ethnic demographic, like the Latin Kings or 14k? That's certainly less controversial. But anyone explicitly speaking positively on committing violence against another race thats not affiliated with a group is generally not taken well, particularly when it's on a/another minority.

>>2260150
*People in general socially don't like it when your lyrics go off about killing another race,

>>2260127
He has a sexual harassment lawsuit against him.

>be Putin
>send a trillion dollars to right wing influencers to weaken the vvest
>actually make it a fascist block praising Hitler
Epic fail

>>2260182
>actually make it a fascist block praising Hitler
Not yet but its coming closer to reality.

>>2259331
The fact this tard is so casually talking about "da jooooz took Ye's kids!" is alarming.

>>2259277
>caring about the aesthetics of fascism being normalized
Wait till you hear about what the US has been up to before this!
lib thread

>>2259320
I will bear your children if you'd let me.

This whole controversy is a psy-op.

Kanye is a known Zionist and he released the Hitler song to distract the world from the mass starvation of Gaza by the Zionist entity. By doing so he knows the world will have sympathy for the Jews again.

>>2259277
>It’s done. Fascism and Nazism have become normalized again in western culture.
Hate to say it fam, but at least in the USA it’s always been the case- only this time Musk and Trump have decided to go mask off.

Kanye is just autistic. His personality changes every few months.

all my uyghas commies uygha za stalina

>>2260206
Psyop aside I feel like it's more an exposure of fascism rather than a normalization. Petit booj suburban white guys would never admit, even at gunpoint, that they went fash because they lost their kids in a nasty divorce, they have to dress it up as saving Western civilization because it's way too garish and self-serving to admit it's all about salvaging your own life decisions. But Kanye just comes out and says it with full honesty combined with an amazing visual aspect paired with it, with black Nazis Zulu-Romans snarling when they say Heil Hitler.

yall really value life and earth. i feel bad for you

>>2260087
>death of the artist
Okay so it's still a song with a chorus of heil Hitler

>>2260046
im black and kanye was my GOAT but I grew up in a white neighborhood…

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>>2260206
I agree with you. I also think the guy is compromised when he said FREE DIDDY and has a cuck fetish.

Full lyrics btw, I had to use yandex since they don't censor at least.

Man These People Took My Kids From Me
Then They Post My Bank Account
I Got So Much Anger In Me
Got No Way To Take It Out
Think I’m Stuck In The Matrix
Where The Fuck’s My Nitrous
Yes I Am A Cuck I Like
When People Fuck On My Bitch

The Shit That I’m Posting On Twitter
They Telling Me Hey Don’t Say That
How uyghas Can’t See Me In Public
I’m Driving An Off Road Maybach
With All Of The Money And Fame
I Still Can’t Get My Kids Back
With All Of The Money And Fame
I Still Don’t Get To See My Children

uyghas See My Twitter
But They Don’t See How I Be Feeling
So I Became A Nazi
Yeah Bitch I’m The Villain

uygha Heil Hitler, uygha Heil Hitler
They Don’t Understand The Things I Say On Twitter
uygha Heil Hitler
They Don’t Understand The Things I Say On Twitter
All My uyghas Nazis, uygha Heil Hitler
uygha Heil Hitler, uygha Heil Hitler
All My uyghas Nazis, uygha Heil Hitler

She [?] Pants
uygha Heil Hitler
She [?] Hands
uygha Heil Hitler

uygha Heil Hitler, uygha Heil Hitler
All My uyghas Nazis, uygha Heil Hitler
uygha Heil Hitler, uygha Heil Hitler
All My uyghas Nazis, uygha Heil Hitler
uygha Heil Hitler, uygha Heil Hitler
uygha Heil Hitler, uygha Heil Hitler

>>2259917
>the heil hitler song isn't fascist 🤓, fascism is technically the open terroristic dictatorship of finance capital that brings the colonial methods of oppression home to the imperial core
yeah we know nerd but it has the spirit

>>2260405
yeah at the end of the day it's just a bunch of divorced dad bullshit isn't it

>>2260437
*Fascism is the mass, counterrevolutionary movement of the ruined middle class and demoralized layers of society, mobilized to destroy the organizations of the working class and smash any potential for socialist revolution. It serves the interests of finance capital by substituting open terror for parliamentary rule when bourgeois democracy is no longer sufficient to maintain capitalist rule.

>>2260078
you're confusing the soviet sino split, which was a complex geopolitical event, for two dudes disliking each other. I think you might be the illiterate one.

>>2259999
Quads of Questioning

>>2260206
Hard to tell if you are joking because this is what palestine campists actually believe

>>2260001
How about they do something useful like BANNING TWITTER A YEAR AGO instead of banning some uyghur rap song. Clearly they are watching and active.

>>2260479
what, pray tell, is a palestine campist, assuming you are being serious

>>2260087
Retarded redditor comment.
Kanye would not have been murdered he would have been made part of the NSDAP propaganda wing.
His children however, would be killed.
That's bad, but it requires a very specific distinction.

>>2260046
There’s a certain type of black dude who listens to Kanye. Normally they are from the suburbs, have mostly white friends, and possibly vote republican.

>>2260087
Kanye raped his cousin at the very least. Why are chuds ignoring male rape victims?

>>2260430
>>2260557
>>2260046
Kanye is right wing Kendrick, pop star that no real hood uyghas would ever listen to apart from once in a while however the problem is that the suburbs have gentrified all the young uyghas and now everyone is too busy watching Kai Cenat to be outside shooting each other enough to make actual good rap music.

>>2260561
What about drill music?

>>2260463
Question is why ruined middle class prefers fascism over communism? They want "their" property back?

>>2260563
Osamason was exposed as a fake thug ages ago and then had his sex tape leaked which killed his career.
Most of these rappers aren't about that life at all, and it was gradually weakening more and more. People who didn't OD like X or Smoke both died to random robbers and not gang rivals.
The fact is that there is less than 3 real hood rappers anymore, it's just nerdy dudes who look like Carlton now pretending to be hard.

>>2260434
>Man These People Took My Kids From Me
lmao


>>2259745
>I heard it a few days ago and already don't remember a smidge of it.
it's stuck in my head but only because it sounds like tnght - tums

>>2260573
What do actual gangsters listen to then? Takueche music?

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kanye was historically important to the mainstreaming of hip hop and also killing off gangsta rap with his feud with 50 cent. Critic sites like p4k gave him a 10 and would treat everything he released like it was some sacred event and he would never get a score below 8.

Now he has became an insane nazi the critics dont even review his stuff anymore, they just ignore him.

kanye was important there would be no drake without 808 and heartbreaks.

but kanye being the important rap guy to white nerds seems like long ago

>>2260569
They want to maintain their class position. As capital becomes increasingly concentrated in fewer hands, the petty bourgeoisie feels squeezed and threatened with proletarianization. Rather than align with the working class, they often turn to reactionary movements that promise to preserve or restore their social status. Not to say this true of all those that occupy the layers of the middle class.

>>2260587
Old school mostly, the problem being most "Gangsters" are over 30, or musicians with less than 1 million listeners.
>>2260590
Who are these "Groyper" people who say they are right wing but hate white people? I've heard about them for 4 years and never got the run down.


>>2259496
>However in the long history of things things like these have always existed I hate to say it but Settlers talks about it quite well.
>Bitch it has been normalized since 100 b.c if not before.
>Implying that fascism is a thing-in-itself instead of the most degenerated and depraved form of capitalism.
Of course Sakai supporters believe this.
>>2259632
>At the very least the OG nazis were legitimate nerds.
They weren't nerds, they drove almost anybody with a brain out of Germany. They were nothing but a bunch of philistines that plaigiarized their good ideas from Stalin and FDR.
>>2259862
>We need less Kanyes and Kendricks and more Woodie Guthries and Pete Seegers.
>No Mention of Immortal Technique, Dead Prez, RATM or The Coup

>>2260587
really obscure dril songs where they admit to strings of murders
>>2260046
>do black people even like kanye? He always felt like a white guy's rapper.
the biggest kanye stan I ever know back in high school around 2009 was a pasty white anglo tall skinny libertarian guy. he was a ron paul guy who became a trump guy. he teaches high school history now. which is funny because I always expected him to go into the private sector instead of getting a unionized public sector job, based on his atlas shrugged ass politics.
btw vid related manages to be even funnier now than when it came out

>>2260282
This. Everything going on with Kanye can be easily explained when you understand autism.

>>2260587
corridos tumbados

>>2260647
I know plenty of autistic people who don't heil hitler, the guy who gassed disabled people

>>2260282
from my armchair the guy looks like a schizophrenic with a narcissistic commorbidity.

>>2260651
A lot of autists are prone to falling into eccentric interests. Not to mention, autism is notorious for causing emotional regulation issues.

The problem Kanye has is clearly autism that he refuses to get treated for.

>>2260654
Ye is formally diagnosed with autism.

>>2260632
Immortal Technique is a right-wing Alex Jones supporter and has been for some time.

>>2260656
I mean if you listen to his lyrics he says he's diagnosed bipolar, used to take lexapro, and consumes lots of substances, from alcohol, to weed, to nitrous oxide, to ecstacy…. I don't see why he needs to be armchair diagnosed with autism when he's already been diagnosed bipolar and is a self admitted drug addict which also causes emotional regulation issues.

>>2260659
no he's formally diagnosed bipolar and borderline personality disorder.

>>2260659
do you think kanye, who rambles online about how he sucked his cousin's dick because of nudey mags, is getting quality counseling. he's a schizo and he's seeing every single quack under the sun

>>2260661
Not armchair diagnosed. Kanye came out a few months ago and said he’s been FORMALLY diagnosed with autism by a professional.

Fuck, autists are so weak they refuse to acknowledge anyone but perfect angels could ever be autistic. It’s the same reason you fuckers keep denying level 3 autism exists.

>>2260663
He’s been formally diagnosed. Why are you in denial?

>>2260663
>he's a schizo and he's seeing every single quack under the sun

he stopped seeing licensed professionals too because he thinks they're all jews

>>2260665
> a few months ago
Oh my info was out of date then. I guess I just don't follow that closely
>Fuck, autists are so weak they refuse to acknowledge anyone but perfect angels could ever be autistic.
Is that what I said?

>>2260663
Why do you take issue with this?

Do autistic people lose their civil rights if it’s discovered terrible people are autistic?

>>2259277
>this is what liberals actually believe

>>2260656
>every fucking retard out there is now excused by autism
can you shut the fuck up

>>2260665
>Fuck, autists are so weak they refuse to acknowledge anyone but perfect angels could ever be autistic. It’s the same reason you fuckers keep denying level 3 autism exists.
<entire category of people is "weak" because someone online who may not be even autistic but who I choose to interpret as autistic disagreed with me that random celebrity is autistic, and I choose to interpret their words to mean that autistic people are all perfect angels, also let me bring up this separate issue about levels of autism that was not being discussed previously and accuse the person I'm talking to of denying the existence of level 3 autism even though they didn't do that
why are you doing this

>>2259892
>folk music sounds amateurish
i was going to write a longish rant but decided to just go with: you are one stupid mofo, wow

>>2260677
Ye was formally diagnosed with autism. Autism influences every aspect of who he is. Why can’t you accept that and move on?

>>2260686
How is it a misdiagnosis? What makes you qualified to give a diagnosis?

>>2260670
because it's an obvious misdiagnosis? it's one thing to "be evil" and another to think that your cousin went to jail and you became a flaming homosexual because of some weird butterfly effect caused by your dad keeping a sports illustrated or a playboy magazine or whatever around. one is a pschizophreniform delusion.

>>2260692
How is it a misdiagnosis?

>>2260692
Why are you afraid of admitting Kanye has autism?

>>2260687
>Why can’t you accept that and move on?
I already did here:

>>2260669
<Oh my info was out of date then. I guess I just don't follow that closely

> Autism influences every aspect of who he is.

ok

If you actually read >>2260677 I was no longer disputing Kanye's autism I was arguing with the other things you were saying:

1. autistic people are weak
2. they refuse to acknowledge anyone but perfect angels could ever be autistic.
3. It’s the same reason you fuckers keep denying level 3 autism exists.

Because you were making up a bunch of shit I didn't say and attacking that. I never brought up level 3 autism, let alone denied it existed. I am not autistic, I never said all autistic people are perfect angels. It was a bunch of bizarre accusations unrelated to what I was saying. Why can't you accept that you brought up a bunch of unrelated shit and just say "yeah my bad dude I was attacking things you didn't even say"

>>2260690
brother you're not qualified to tie your shoelaces if you think kanye is "an evil autistic" lol, he's gone on record saying he distrusts his doctors because he thinks they' re part of a jewish cabal, he's untreated and every single diagnosis he receives is complete bullshit. you can pretty much pinpoint when he started spiraling down after going off-meds

>>2260699
anon is also arguing with two different people and confusing us with each other so …

>>2260699
He’s been formally diagnosed and you deny it because you can’t accept autism always makes a person innocent.

>>2260696
Next he'll accuse you of having "siege mentality"

>>2260692
People can have multiple disorders at once brother it doesn't only need to be one. Other symptoms existing as well doesn't make 1 disorder not exist. Saying something is an "obvious misdiagnosis" because you see symptoms of another disorder too makes zero sense

A person can have autism and bipolar.

>>2260703
Siege thinking is common in autism, yes.

>>2260704
> People can have multiple disorders at once
i don't think psychosis is an autism commorbidity at all. show me how you came to this retarded conclusion

I think the issue with the autism diagnosis is the blatant extroversion that kanye has.

>>2260711
I never talked about which symptoms are cormorbid or not. Simply saying that people can have 2 different disorders at once which is a fact.

People can have even schizophrenia and autism. There is nothing controversial about this.

>>2260715
Not all autistic people are introverts.

>>2260632
>Implying that fascism is a thing-in-itself instead of the most degenerated and depraved form of capitalism.
It is. People saying this always never made sense to me.

>>2260706
It's the inevitable result of constant neurotypical gaslighting and abuse

>>2259277
>YouTube removed the video for violating ToS
Fucking pottery

>>2260717
I Guess a lot of people with aspergers are extroverts of some kind but he said autism not that.

>>2260727
Asperger’s no longer exists as a diagnosis and has been moved to the broader “spectrum” of autism.

>>2260716
>people can have 2 different disorders
BPD and ASD are misdiagnosed like all the time, it's way more likely that kanye presented BPD, was diagnosed as ASD due to some mood disregulation bullshit, a diagnosis then would've been more difficult when he wasn't presenting psychotic episodes.

>>2260725
>HAIL HITLER HAIL HITLER HAIL HITLER HAIL HITLER IM A NAZI IM A NAZI (literally what he said)
<banned
Retard on /leftypol/:
>this says a lot about our society

>>2260731
Why do you keep denying Ye has ASD?

>>2260734
because autistic people don't have psychotic delusions, i think i was already pretty clear on that, surprised you haven't latched on, i suppose you haven't visited a psychatrist because you fear he might diagnose you with some cognitive deficit?

>>2260736
Autistic people ARE more prone to having psychotic delusions though. Autism is highly comorbid with personality disorders.

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>>2260706
anon said he wasn't autistic and took issue with you accusing him of being autistic, saying autistic people are weak, and said you argued with a bunch of shit he never said (like denying level 3 autism exists)… you are welcome to point to in the conversation where anybody said level 3 autism doesn't exist… or you could just show some humility and admit you were bringing a bunch of baggage to the conversation that had nothing to do with the people you were arguing with. Let's look back at the conversation earlier…

one anon said:
>I mean if you listen to his lyrics he says he's diagnosed bipolar, used to take lexapro, and consumes lots of substances, from alcohol, to weed, to nitrous oxide, to ecstacy…. I don't see why he needs to be armchair diagnosed with autism when he's already been diagnosed bipolar and is a self admitted drug addict which also causes emotional regulation issues.

let's look at your response
<Not armchair diagnosed. Kanye came out a few months ago and said he’s been FORMALLY diagnosed with autism by a professional.
there's nothing wrong with this part… but the next part anon took issue with:
<Fuck, autists are so weak they refuse to acknowledge anyone but perfect angels could ever be autistic. It’s the same reason you fuckers keep denying level 3 autism exists.
you are accusing anon of being autistic, saying that they are saying all autistic people are perfect angels, and saying that they are denying level 3 autism exists. that's 3 different things you made up. why not just admit you made those things up and move on? or is that too difficult?

>>2260734
you know, you have two different people arguing with you. one denies Ye is ASD and the other one went "oh i guess my info was out of date" and took issue with other things you said that you completely made up and have yet to acknowledge

Being autistic doesn't absolve you from being a cunt
Being autistic doesn't mean you're automatically a cunt either
Simple as

>>2260744
umm you're autistic, you're weak, umm you deny ASD level 3 exists, i can make up a million other things you didn't say, you have siege mentality and psychotic delusions

I find it funny how a thread meant to spread doomerism just caused everyone here to sperg out about being a sperg

>>2260752
Autism is one of those hot button topics that's guaranteed to derail threads due to a few terminally online debate bros unable to let it go. Same goes with Russian imperialism, if Zionism = Judaism, "ZOG" discourse, Kurdistan, Dengism, or anything related to Breadtube: if it's even hinted at, the chances of thread derailment into focusing soley on it skyrocket

>>2260752
>all sides are sperging out equally
if you read the conversation I think you'll find that's not the case

<autism
<psychotic delusions
<pschizophreniform delusion
<siege mentality
<bipolar disorder
none of this is real

>>2260762
I find a lot of people just roll their eyes when they see walls of text and assume that everyone is being equally unreasonable even as some people are attacking straw men and other people are making nuanced statements

>>2260762
>>2260763
I am just saying the situation is better than us bitching about zoomers being chuds/retards all the time.

>>2260765
We are living in a simulation

>>2260768
these nuanced statements are pearls before the swine when they are in response to off topic low effort bait in a thread OP that should be gulag'd to siberia anyway

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Trump is, in spite of himself, burning out western reactionary politics for the next 20 years by associating it with girldads, radfems and the HB1 flood.
JK Rowling was #beaten and #raped by her husband for decades no matter how much she tries to deflect by dunking on the transhumanists who she'll never stop.
Kanye is making a mockery of nazism and make it loose the edge both the right and the hysteric left have built since the 1950s yet faggot op post his hysterical defeatist slop straight from bluesky.
Milei is getting bailed out by IMF.
China is rising.
I'm getting really tired of Marxist-Hysterism you uyghurs suck so bad it's insane you are biologically incapable of taking any W because you defanged yourselves in order to larp as "punks" and "queers doing crime" (lol).


>>2260740
>why not just admit you made those things up and move on? or is that too difficult?
anon will never do this. even though anonymous, humility is too much to ask

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>"The mentally ill black man who identify as a Cuck and was raped by his cousin shouting Heil Hitler means FASCISTS won bro! BWAAAAAH"

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And???
This isn't the first time Fascism has risen in the developed west.
Regiems like this have a shelf life of 30 years at best and that's with a dead eyed dispassionate liken Franco or Salazar at the wheel, not a retarded shizophrenic like Hitler or Trump.

>>2260842
Man, that photo really make me wonder what Hitler has thinking there, like imagine thinking that your country would rule the world for 1000 years only to get rekted 12 years down the line, and you see all that happen around you, kek, Hitler was legit retarded, got what deserved.

>>2260852
>>2260842
He look pissed

>>2260854
Well, dude thought that his country would rule the world for 1000 years and his people were the master race, and in the end he saw he was so fucking wrong and got rekted.

>>2260818
I mean to us Kanye's music looks silly and goofy but zoomers actually do fuck with it.

>>2260862
Which is the definitive proof it is harmless and gay. Kanye did what the left and joos couldnt since the post-war: making nazism some goofy negro adult swim shit

>>2260882
Mel Gibson came pretty close to it, but then the left had to shove a stick up their ass and became butt ravished about everything

>>2259393
>>2259470
>>2259681
The idea the song matters is literally just idealistic libslop.
""""Normalization""""" doesn't birth fascism, materially conditions do.
America as a Majority bourge state was always going to go Fascist before it any hope of going socialist.
lt'll burn itself out like it always does and from its ashes opportunities will emerge for actual leftism

>>2260882
It's a bop too and "where the fuck's my nitrous" never fails to make me laugh

>>2260886
>""""Normalization""""" doesn't birth fascism, materially conditions do.
Also this. Where does that "normalization" argument even comes from? I have never heard people who lived through facism or fought fascism talk about any of it. It's idiotic and simply wrong, verifiably incorrect.

>>2259756
lol.
lf we had to have fascism why did we have to have the dumbest fascism possible??
l'd rather se Michael Bay ass triump of the will remakes then this cringe.

>>2260897
Vidrel is actually decent and the lyrics have pretty much the same theme as OP, it's not all bad anon you gotta lean into it while you can laugh

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>>2260897
remember: First as tragedy, then as farce.

can someone please draw kanye as the chudjak

>>2260886
>""""Normalization""""" doesn't birth fascism, materially conditions do.
Normalization is a sympton of those "material conditions".

>>2260919
you have no idea what the concept of normalization even is lol

>+250 posts on a thread about some american slop music

>>2260921
NTA but isn't it when things that used to be seen as "extreme" are increasingly regarded as ordinary?

>>2260818
>Trump is, in spite of himself, burning out western reactionary politics for the next 20 years by associating it with girldads, radfems and the HB1 flood.
Twitter memes. We will see a majority alt-rigth UE in this decade.
>JK Rowling was #beaten and #raped by her husband for decades no matter how much she tries to deflect by dunking on the transhumanists who she'll never stop.
Irrelevant woman.
>Kanye is making a mockery of nazism and make it loose the edge both the right and the hysteric left have built since the 1950s yet faggot op post his hysterical defeatist slop straight from bluesky.
He is making nazism appealing to genz. The nazis of this decade will be white, black, gay and everything in between.
>Milei is getting bailed out by IMF.
>China is rising.
After Xi it will get soft couped by chinese neolibs. It already has in part.

>>2260928
its academia speak for "ideas rule reality"
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalization_(sociology)

>>2260929
this entire post is an utter smashing of vibes, fascism has utterly humiliated itself, RW populism is eviscerated and is increasingly gonna run out of steam

>>2260936
>fascism has utterly humiliated itself
you can tell nobody here reads when they still believe fascism is remotely a threat after its subsuming by liberalism in wwii lmao. like all that remains of fascism is the aesthetics and all the neonazi losers like kanye are the best example of it

>>2260936
and before you say "wh-wh-what about british election polling? aren't the right wing populists gonna win there?" and yeah they probably will, the thing is by the time they get elected there's a 90% chance they just become spicy neoliberals rather than anything resembling fascism

>>2260941
it genuinely is not a threat, the conditions to produce fascism straight up don't exist in the modern day for half the world, and even in those it has a low chance of forming because there's barely a reason to be an unironic fascist in say kenya or cambodia, the closest thing maybe in existence that could manifest in western countries is a type of fujimorism

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>fascism, the ideology born out of the anxieties of the middle class in the face of a strong labor movement during a specific moment of European history
<fascism is back, and in the US, because of some music video and because some idiots are racist
I hate you retards so much.

>>2260952
people unironically should just stop using the word fascist to describe "bourgeois state i don't like" because it very quickly becomes reduced to "well some annoying right wing populist got elected, this is basically 1933" and then nothing fucking happens

NHH is a an absolute banger, can't stop humming it

>>2260909
i hate these short ass songs.

>>2260962
i already forgot about it

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>>2260943
>Spicy

>>2259277
>>2260951
>>2260960
Indeed, the labor movement is weak every fucking where today so illiterate dipshits with cushy lives are more concerned with literal LARPers who are capable of questioning basic premises so they all see fascism as transhistorical.

Like the groyper guys or Kanye or whoever the fuck don't have any actual power, never will, and don't expect ever to, so they're free to fantasize about turning America into an isolationist white ethnostate without having to worry about what executing such a thing would entail in practice. However, people like Trump being actually in government, have different concerns - specifically those of capital, which of course has to trump ideology. They need immigrants who will sell their labor power for a cheaper price, they need to build alliances to strengthen their own imperialist bloc as capital demands, etc. Liberalism already hashed this out in the 20s-40s, ending in the defeat of the Axis Powers in World War II, at which point Liberalism incorporated all the features of Fascism it found useful, and discarded the rest, and these sorts of petty racial grievances came under the latter.

So no of course they're never gonna build your build your based America First ethnostate. Not for reasons of ideology or principle or even because "the Jews got to them", but simply because that it is not what is most convenient for capital at this time. Leftoids who support social democrats are operating under the same basic delusion btw, as shown ITT.



>>2260929
>girldads
why do we get so much hate? only some of us are weird about it

>>2260969
basically this, it's also important to note that the other conditions for it don't really exist, someone like nick fuentes is unlikely to take power, not because he couldn't, but because the chances of someone like him getting power is very low since you have more reliable moderates or even courteous radicals who are willing to appeal to those dejected masses flocking to the aesthetic of fascism and strength and utilize it to basically just recreate the same exact system that already existed with a white power coat of paint, to genuinely fear as if hitler 2 is imminent is insane, the obsession with fascism past about the 1970s is utterly ridiculous because it has zero basis in the reality we exist in now

>>2260966
>buzzword p*dos vs. buzzword p*dos

Ummmmmm

>>2260966
this is a socially dejected freak with no power, i don't care about this and neither should you, i'm talking about right wing populists with something more than a masturbatory fantasy's chance of happening

>you've lived long enough for fascism to devolve into Hitlerslop
And this is a win for fascism how??????

>>2260984
Girldads are not any dads who have female childrens it's those weird big backed uyghas that behave like the eunuch guarding the Sultan's harem while being assholes to male childrens.

>>2260934
it's academia speak for
>refers to social processes through which ideas and actions come to be seen as 'normal' and become taken-for-granted or 'natural' in everyday life
so it was much closer to what I said, not "ideas rule reality" but
>when things that used to be seen as "extreme" are increasingly regarded as ordinary

>>2260998
oh yeah those dudes suck. the ones who pose with a shotgun in the daughter's prom pic or whatever. yeah that shit's weird and freudian

I love Clint Eastwood until he directed Million Dollar Baby because he created peak spiritual girldadism with this horror. Then he made it worse with Grand Torrino by injecting anti-racist hypercapitalist striver immigrant bullshit on top of it.
Man really fell off after the 90s.
>>2261001
Yes exactly

The fuck is a girldad?

it is really funny to me that people are insanely terrified of what amounts to specters and shadows, you should not be afraid of nonsense like this, you should however be doing something to stop it, not because it's le fascist or whatever, but instead because it is the rule of class society over the humanity, and that should be destroyed


>>2260992
My 3yr old just came up to me and told me they saw the same thing
Then I clapped. His name? Albert Einstein.

>>2260992
Has to be fake. I searched and couldn’t find this tweet anywhere.

>>2260992
LMFAOOOO
These people arent real man
We were also doing this 15 years ago btw

>>2261008
a conservative dad who's like "if you wanna fuck my daughter you're gonna have to fuck me first!"

>>2260150
You are telling me it is worse if it is interethnic but why is it acceptable if it is black on black? Why is it not only acceptable, but even one of the most popular genre for White people to sing along about killing nighers. Ask yourself that.

You are just playing dumb at this point.

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>>2261035
people forget how fuentes first got famous in 2019

>>2261041
couldn't have happened to a more deserving guy

>>2260992
>I. CAN'T. BREATHE
Being embarrassing online looking like a limpdick surely will help you win in this battle of ideals

Bruh

>>2261042
maybe instead of some lame nazi twink doing holocaust denial and making ben shapiro look like a victim, it should be palestinians filling shapiro full of lead

>>2261048
i don't really give a shit though, two bastards covered in mud and feces fighting each other is amusing

>>2261047
i love it when kids troll boomers

>>2261047
>belgium
checks out

>>2261047
this sort of proves it, it's offensive and most people do it purely because it makes people angry, it is utterly aesthetic

>>2261055
>purely because it makes people angry
and what makes people want to make people angry? Why is that fun?

>>2261055
if you want to make certain people angry, it's because you dislike them, and want them to be seen as hysterical and overreacting, so you can slowly escalate, but always be seen as the more reasonable one at the same time.

>>2261059
because it transgresses against the social norms? same reason why people draw pentagrams and other stuff, purely to aggravate others

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>>2261050
well keked my friend! NHH! this shit is soooooo funny and will always be funny! boomers are just lame sticks in the mud. vid relate didn't happen, but should have happened, but will happen again! this time to the chinese and commies too!

>>2260992
I bet that’s a 38-year old millennial who works at HR.


>>2261066
>people just like to make other people angry
<why
>purely to aggravate
<why
>because it transgresses social norms
<why

because they don't like jews, but not only jews, also communists, disabled people, homosexuals, workers, anybody on the left etc. and want them to be seen as hysterical freaks who constantly make themselves out to be the victim while slowly escalating against them

how hard is this to understand?

>>2261070
and what does that mean to you

>>2261076
because you aren't talking about the same type of person? there's a big difference between some teenager doing an adolf hitler bit and your hypothetical modest neo nazi

>>2260966
If you're looking for specific types of hentai content, the heroine is almost guaranteed to be either a loli or a ridiculously curvy to ZZZ-cup milf proportioned adult woman, having extreme baby face half of the time. I don't get why someone would insert as a loli specifically, but honestly i've started not really caring and just ignore any parts which explicitly play up the pedophilia taboo. It helps that many "lolis" have actual breasts and barely resemble the literal csam cartoons posted on getchan for example.

>>2261084
so your thesis is that teenagers merely like to aggravate people for no reason by transgressing social norms, but haven't you noticed that they pick and choose which targets they aggravate and which social norms they want to transgress? Have you noticed that communist teenagers transgress anti-communist social norms because they're communist and want to normalize communism, while nazi teenagers transgress anti-genocide social norms because they're nazis and want to normalize genocide?

>>2261055
The thing is who exactly among the left is even really offended by what kanye is doing? Even on xitter you have "Well look at what israel is doin in palestine"

>>2261098
I've seen plenty of kvetching about it

>>2261102
I guess, but broadly speaking I don't really hear it. It's gotta be a big amount of people for it to really matter eh

>>2261093
yes, teenagers do tend to aggravate people because they find it funny, not everything you see is apart of a campaign to bring nazism back again

>>2261105
Yeah so why is it banned everywhere?

>>2261098
kanye isn't speaking out against the genocide of the zionists against palestinians. he hasn't even mentioned it. this is purely an ego thing for him.
>>2261102
>kvetching
damn i wonder why you picked that particular term

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>>2261110
it's not banned in ukraine

Justification?

>>2261098
Lol same, I guess I'm following the correct people because nobody is even paying attention to Kanye's latest antics.

>>2261114
Stop spamming your dogshit crypto zionism Rabbi

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>>2261011
>you should however be doing something to stop it, not because it's le fascist or whatever, but instead because it is the rule of class society over the humanity
Oh yeah, class society will end if we chase after cultural signifiers.

>>2261117
he's a zionist piece of shit
>>2261129
>acknowledging that modern neo nazis and zionazis get along is crypto zionism
i'm not a "rabbi," but it's interesting that disagreeing with you makes you think so

>>2261130
no i'm saying you should join a communist movement and start doing things, in fact the exact opposite of the doomerism this thread is proposing

>>2261129
hey are you the same brain damaged solvent abuser from the other thread? hello!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>2261131
>this one photo proves nazis and zionists are best friends
Or it could be Ukrainians doing the needful to get more weapons from the zogbots in DC, or a hoax, or one of a myriad of possibilities.

>>2261123
Exactly, glowanon is just trying to make us think we give a shit about their garbage. Fascists need to feel important.

>>2261146
Lmao yeah, puts a new spin to OP's hysterics about "Fascism and Nazism have become normalized again in western culture" (wishful thinking on their part).

>>2261147
I think they know they are losing their edge here. Peter Thiel is kind of a big name, not as big as Soros is, but like. His vibes as a whole kind of gives every single claim of counter culture from the right an *
He doesn't even need to be directly involved. Just noticing makes people notice other things more.

>>2261160
Peter Thiel is infinitely more successful at controlling politics than Soros ever was. Soros is just a kosher bogeyman.

>>2261167
The thing is I'm not even impressed by the result. This is the end result of itall? It's not like liberals are going to take away their treats. This is all kind of just fake and gay.

>>2261139
zionazis and neonazis get along because they both want to grease their bullets with pork lard and shoot muslims. it's funny that you lash out and call people who NOTICE this "rabbi"

>>2261193
if whites took his kids away instead you'd say "TND, based white cops take black drug addicts kids away from him"

your smug opportunism couldn't be more obvious

but was it "jews" that took away kanye's kids? or was it his ex wife? oh wait, she sought the help of lawyers and courts in the process of seeking custody from a drug addict so it must be da jooz

>>2261147
>fascism isn't reviving, you're just being hysterical a term from the 1800s for when women were being allegedly too emotional and crazy so their husband-owners sent them to a special doctor to get fingered
ok then why did joe biden give billions to the banderites in ukraine? why did canadian parliament give a standing ovation for an SS officer? Why are germany and japan remilitarizing to help the US against China? kanye is just a side show in a broader project which is NATO revitalizing fascism, which is nothing more than the the mass, counterrevolutionary movement of the ruined middle class and demoralized layers of society, mobilized to destroy the organizations of the working class and smash any potential for socialist revolution. It serves the interests of finance capital by substituting open terror for parliamentary/congressional rule when bourgeois pseudo-democracy is no longer sufficient to maintain capitalist rule.

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>>2261209
>When whites commit atrocities and war crimes they don't brag about it, their societies don't celebrate it, the culture shames that behaviour.

>>2260434
ughh, that's a hot latina right there


>>2261038
>You are telling me it is worse if it is interethnic but why is it acceptable if it is black on black? Why is it not only acceptable, but even one of the most popular genre for White people to sing along about killing nighers. Ask yourself that.
I'm saying that any song in which the lyrics have the person stealing from, hurting, or killing, a person of their own race is largely "acceptable". This whole point is also divorced from the original post, of which the issue had nothing to do with rap discussing black on black violence, just that it's somehow an anomaly that rappers can't make statements implicitly supporting interethnic violence between minorities, when it isn't. Rap is black dominated, and again, there is a discussion to have regarding the relationship between black artists and producers, but the more nuanced reality is that because it's black dominated, and explicit interethnic violence between minorites isn't really taken well, you end up with artists only being able to be explicit about violent experiences that involved people of their own race or the majority. You can say this is one of the contradictions of modern liberal moral values, but I don't think that's the point you are making.
>You are just playing dumb at this point.
No, I'm responding to this quote honestly. I understand the point you are trying to make, and on the surface sounds "agreeable", but this doesn't account for a lot of things.

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>>2261209
>>2261221
>Never grew up post-9/11
This isn't true in the slightest you retard. People played defense for the Mahmudiyah rape and killings, the Nisour Square massacre, and the made movie after movie rationalizing explicit war crimes. Hell, even in 2014, American Sniper has Chris Kyle shooting a mother and child, and the movie portrays it as a good thing that was necessary.

>>2261207
>erm acting hysterical isn't a real thing because of misogynists
>fascism is when liberal countries do the bare minimum to protect their interests
You're even more retarded than I first thought.

>finance capital in a vacuum

It's always the same bullshit with pseuds!!

>>2261055
2025 and you still drop the ironic nazi line, let it go bro they are not ironic

>>2261251
Once again ignoring the point and playing dumb. I don't think I can possibly rephrase this for you anymore. Reread the last reply.

>You are telling me it is worse if it is interethnic but why is it acceptable if it is black on black? Why is it not only acceptable, but even one of the most popular genre for White people to sing along about killing nighers. Ask yourself that

Forget the interethnic angle. Why is it acceptable if it is not interethnic?

>>2261109
This is why consequentialism is important. it doesn't matter if their intentions are "merely to aggravate" if their "pretend" fascist edgineess has the effect of popularizing and normalizing fascist edginess. in b4 we circle back to "normalization is made up bro"

>>2261289
>This is why consequentialism is important
<culture wars are super duper important guys! this is important!
Libs say the darnedest things.

>>2261285
Even if it's genuine it's irrelevant to the non-terminally online, lmfao.

>>2261272
>Canadian parliament gave a standing ovation for an SS officer to protect their interests
how? how does that protect their interests. explain for the audience

and yes, hysteria was indeed made up by misogynists to dismiss any real problem as "you're a dumb bitch who needs to go get fingered" and incidentally it's used in the same way again, just in a more neutral gender and generalized way

>>2261294
>bro the superstructure is shaped and maintained by the base but there is no reciprocal action of the superstructure on the base
who's the real pseud

>>2261299
>>2261298
>base and superstructure means culture wars are actually meant to be fought by communists
This is retarded.

>>2261297
the conversation started with a beligian guy going "yeah we heil hitler in real life to annoy the teachers in real life and they tell us to stop in real life but we keep doing it because we l ike annoying them lol" so yeah it's obviously relevant to people in real life to and always has been. stop pretending online and real life aren't interconnected in any way.

>>2261299
>who's the real pseud
not the people saying fascism is still a thing while stripping it of any historical context, thats for sure

>>2261305
>stop pretending online and real life aren't interconnected in any way.
Whatever makes the middle class to feel like they're "at least doing something".

>>2261303
>i don't know what Proletkult means

>>2261312
>the USSR did it ergo it's le good and true
Philosophical gibberish by college students.

>>2261309
>you're middle class because you disagree with me
and the other guy said I was a rabbi because I disagree with him. you'll just make up shit. if it's not important stop replying and let me control the whole conversation. Oh wait, you don't want to do that. Why is that?

>>2261316
>you're a college student
>you're middle class
I'm 35 and have a kid. Maybe I don't want my kid to grow up in a world where praising fascism is normal and cool and maybe you're doing everything in your power to dismiss this desire as "mere hysteria"

>>2261312
>Some top party leaders, such as Lenin, sought to concentrate state funding and retain it from such artistic endeavors. He and others also saw in Proletkult a concentration of bourgeois intellectuals and potential political oppositionists.
lmfao

>>2261318
lol unironically doing the 'replace bourgeois with jew' bit

>>2261320
I feel sorry for your kid for having such a retarded parent.

>>2261322
>He and others also saw in Proletkult a concentration of bourgeois intellectuals and potential political oppositionists.
AHAHAHAHA

Wait a minute, why are we taking what some retard on halfchan says seriously anyways?

>>2261324
oh so lenin thought it was important to shut down his political opposition in the culture war… but I thought the culture war wasn't important? See, you took the bait so easily and proved my point.

>>2261320
There is no fascist movement in America today and if there were you absolutely could not defeat it simply by having the "better ideas" and assuming that your subjective moral values are somehow inherently destined to always win and that focusing on culture is anything but a waste of time for the proletariat who already has little to no time to waste. You're literally just a resist lib.

>>2261330
>focusing on culture is a waste of time
<so by this logic we should actually focus on culture!!
Bruh I hope this is just a troll at this point.

>>2261322
>lol unironically doing the 'replace bourgeois with jew' bit

that's not what I was doing. I was merely saying you were making shit up about me instead of attacking my argument directly. You called me bourgeois and the other guy I was arguing with earlier ITT called me rabbi. This actually happened. It wasn't a ctrl F analogy you idiot.

>>2261328
The story doesn't sound implausible at all. It has verisimilitude. I believe it.

>>2261334
the obsession with the realm of ideas is exclusively a bourgeois endeavor, yes

>>2261330
the illiteracy of americans is astounding. maybe this will be more understandable to your little brain?

>The patronizing and errant lecturing of our so-called intellectuals seems to me a far greater impediment. We are still in need of technicians, agronomists, engineers, chemists, architects, etc., it is true, but if the worst comes to the worst we can always buy them just as well as the capitalists buy them, and if a severe example is made of a few of the traders among them — for traders there are sure to be — they will find it to their own advantage to deal fairly with us. But apart from the specialists, among whom I also include schoolteachers, we can get along perfectly well without the other “intellectuals.” The present influx of literati and students into the party, for example, may be quite damaging if these gentlemen are not properly kept in check.

>The biggest obstacles are the small peasants and the importunate super-clever intellectuals who always think they know everything so much the better, the less they understand it.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1890/letters/90_08_21.htm

>>2261332
>Bruh I hope this is just a troll at this point.
No Lenin specifically went out of the way to shut down his counterrevolutionary opponents who were trying to smuggle bourgeois culture in through proletarian culture… because they were a potential source of counterrevolutionary agitation. This proves my point exactly. Fascists are trying to make themselves look like the proletarian opposition to the ruling class. You say "oh this just a culture war it doesn't matter" ''and yet despite how little this supposedly matters to you, you stay with this page open replying to me because it's clearly important for you to shut down anyone thinking it does matter'. Just stop replying if it doesn't matter. My thesis is that it matters. Your thesis is that it does not. Practice what you preach and shut the fuck up. But you won't because it secretly does matter to you.

>>2261337
>the obsession with the realm of ideas is exclusively a bourgeois endeavor, yes

why are you replying to me?

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>>2261343
This is like retards who think Lenin talking about "bourgeois democracy" means there must be a "proletarian democracy". Absolute state of burgers, god damn.

>>2261347
why are you replying to me? why are you waging culture war right now? none of this matters.

>>2261343
>You say "oh this just a culture war it doesn't matter" ''and yet despite how little this supposedly matters to you, you stay with this page open replying to me because it's clearly important for you to shut down anyone thinking it does matter'.
damn marxists criticizing opportunists actually means the opportunists are right. real twitter brain moment here

>>2261349
rofl did your brain get broken

>>2261350
not what I said. try again

>>2261349
Lol no matter how much you stomp your feet you'll always be the minority position that's involved in stupid American culture wars.

>>2261288
>Once again ignoring the point and playing dumb. I don't think I can possibly rephrase this for you anymore. Reread the last reply.
If I'm bothering to make a reply that's articulating a point that addresses one of the main premises, it's unlikely that I'm playing dumb. Yes, I understood what you were saying in regards to minstrel shows and back on black violence being seen as acceptable. No, I don't think it's this simple when you consider interethnic violence not being condoned in any capacity elsewhere.
>Forget the interethnic angle. Why is it acceptable if it is not interethnic?
You could say it's liberal racial baggage and/or a contradiction of the value system we live in that selects out explicit statements of interethnic violence, leaving only intraethnic violence as the standard. The primary focus among the mass consciousness isn't the use of violence (which is standard in all media), it's the participants in that violence and what it evokes in a larger social context. A black man killing a black man or a white man killing a white man doesn't evoke certain social image to it as an intraethnic image of violence would. Violence is standard, but racist violence is a level above that. A poster showing a man stomping a man of the same race is standard. A poster showing a man stomping a man of a different race is distasteful because of what it additionally evokes. This of course becomes a bit more complex when discussing majority vs minority relations.

>>2261347
>This is like retards who think Lenin talking about "bourgeois democracy" means there must be a "proletarian democracy".

https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1918/prrk/democracy.htm
>Proletarian democracy is a million times more democratic than any bourgeois democracy; Soviet power is a million times more democratic than the most democratic bourgeois republic.

>>2261356
When Lenin speaks of 'proletarian democracy', he does not mean some special democratic forms that are reserved for use only by the proletariat. He means democracy that is dominated by the proletariat, a proletariat which has repressed the bourgeoisie from political life. It's not just taking existing democracy and "just turning it proletarian".

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>>2261359
<This is like retards who think Lenin talking about "bourgeois democracy" means there must be a "proletarian democracy". Absolute state of burgers, god damn.
>when lenin says proletarian democracy he actually means… uh uh

what a backpedal. kys

>>2261352
thats because you have nothing of weight to say beyond your average newspaper article about how "we" (who?) must "fight fascism"

>>2261361
>you have nothing of weight to say and this is all unimportant, that's why i keep replying to you and making up shit you didn't say and attacking that instead, and implying you are secretly bourgeois
ok

>>2261360
>backpedal
The whole point is that fascism can't be defeated by 'culture' any more than capitalism can be destroyed by 'culture'. Fascism is a class movement of the bourgeoisie and must be opposed by the proletariat on its own class terrain, not obsessing over fucking culture because that's all your politically impotent ass can ever do.

>>2261362
i predict you will say we have to vote to defeat fascism in the next 10 posts

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>>2261364
<This is like retards who think Lenin talking about "bourgeois democracy" means there must be a "proletarian democracy". Absolute state of burgers, god damn.
>when lenin says proletarian democracy he actually means… uh uh
>i'm not backpedaling actually i'm uh uh
just close the tab bro. I'm doing that right now. see ya.

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It would be better if all """communists""" of this type dropped the pretense and just admitted to being literati and cultural commentators. There’s nothing communist about limiting your """critique""" to the artistic expressions of a mode of production.

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>>2261312
>>2261320
>>2261330
>>2261343

>lenin shut down the proletkult project not because it inherently attracts bourgeois and petit bourgeois but because lenin believed fighting cultural wars was communist


amazing case of reading whatever fits your preconceived petit bourgeois biases

>>2261320
It's ok anon, these are the same people who will celebrate an analysis that discusses how fascism develops in a failing capitalist state, but when fascist rhetoric starts developing in a major failing imperialist power that has failed in nearly all of its recent conflicts, will deny it as hysterical because "muh libs".

>>2261369
>It would be better if all """communists""" of this type dropped the pretense and just admitted to being literati and cultural commentators. There’s nothing communist about limiting your """critique""" to the artistic expressions of a mode of production.
I don't see anyone here limiting their critique to only artistic expression, just willing to critique such expression on top of existing critiques of the mode of production. I don't think marxists have historically only critiqued the base and not the superstructure, or explored the relation between the two.

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>>2261384
NTA but the reactionaries who are waging the culture war the hardest are the ones insisting it's unimportant, mere irony, and that everyone who criticizes them is a kvetching rabbi like
>>2261129
>Stop spamming your dogshit crypto zionism Rabbi
and >>2261102
>I've seen plenty of kvetching about it

, and they are pathologically unable to disengage when told to even though it is allegedly unimportant to them. They'll even make shit up you didn't say, attack that instead, so the conversation moves away from what you did say to what they would have you say that is easier to defeat in the "unimportant culture war". Sometimes they'll even do this pre-emptively like
>>2261365
>i predict you will say we have to vote to defeat fascism in the next 10 posts

It is all so convenient. The more clever ones will say normalization of fascism is just some edgy shit kids do like

>>2261066
>because it transgresses against the social norms? same reason why people draw pentagrams and other stuff, purely to aggravate others

while not questioning why is it apparently important for some people to be anti-social and constantly try to aggravate others, and whether these "others" are deliberately picked targets or not like >>2261093 pointed out:

>so your thesis is that teenagers merely like to aggravate people for no reason by transgressing social norms, but haven't you noticed that they pick and choose which targets they aggravate and which social norms they want to transgress? Have you noticed that communist teenagers transgress anti-communist social norms because they're communist and want to normalize communism, while nazi teenagers transgress anti-genocide social norms because they're nazis and want to normalize genocide?


you can ctrl+f a lot of question marks ITT and find the questions not getting answered, but dismissed as unimportant.

>>2261376
>your preconceived petit bourgeois biases
muahahahahah i am bourgeois!!!!! i exploit the proletariat!!!! i argue with them on leftypol and they argue back instead of killing me!!! what idiots obsessed with culture war they are!!!!!

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Kanye West is a long term psy op by Netanyahu to scare the remaining American Jews into moving to Israel, change my mind.

>>2260108
that's the worst mixed, reverb smeared. gated reverb 80's shit I've ever heard. why is nazi music such fucking cancer?

99% of this board genuinely thinks the song is harmful and dangerous lmfao

>america elects a fascist
>nothing actually changes
makes you think…

>>2265621
Trump isn't a fascist, stop diluting that word.

If the culture war is unimportant then why does it net so many material Ws for the right wing

>>2261792
If only…

>>2265610
Did you do a poll? how do you know one anon didn't answer twice?

>>2265641
the joke
your head

>>2265651
I have the song on repeat

>>2265651
>>2265610
>she thinks leftypol has 100+ users
We would have to have at least 100 users for 99% to be anything.

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>>2265654
you're losing braincells
>>2265649
>zionism is le good because it makes the jews leave my country
thanks for proving zionism and nazism are the same thing at this point

>>2265660
Sorry most are my schizo deludions shadow pplmy bad

>>2265672
I actually compared zionists to nazis, this includes evangelikkkal christoids who lick israeli boot, not just da jooz

>>2265661
>>zionism is le good because it makes the jews leave my country
>thanks for proving zionism and nazism are the same thing at this point
I'm open to other locations. Maybe the problem is we've been entirely focused on possible terrestrial locations for them. Has anyone ever considered the sun might be a much better location for the state of Israel? Lots of surface area for them to establish The Jewish State

>>2265672
I'm sure you also hate the "mudslimes" and none of this is about genocide against palestinians for you, you are just an unironic nazi and you're jealous that it's Muh Jooz doing colonialism against Muh Mudslimes and not Muh Hwites


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>>2259277
>It’s done. Fascism and Nazism have become normalized again in western culture
It's so exciting. So many possibilities are opening up for the future. It's like creating a whole new world.

>>2261167
>Peter Thiel is infinitely more successful at controlling politics than Soros ever was
Thiel is much worse at bringing any results, though. Soros was a better builder.
Just look at the garbage NYC art scene(s) Thiel is funding lmao.

ທ່າສັບມາທ ສໍາລັມມາທ >>2259307 soalab bath thasab math


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