<i want to blow up nothingburger gang edition
>Following a deadly terrorist attack in Pahalgam, Kashmir, that resulted in 26 fatalities, India has retaliated with 'Operation Sindoor', targeting nine terrorist camps in Pakistan and Pakistan-occupied territories. This operation marks a significant escalation in the ongoing tensions between the two nations. Pakistan, in response, has heightened its emergency measures and reported shooting down two Indian jets, intensifying the military confrontation. International reactions and calls for peace are noted, amidst growing concerns over regional stability.
>>2262337>>2262339>>2262340Totat habbedingfag defeat.
Total fizzleGOD victory.
>>2262391It's pretty much a little sideshow of how nuclear escalations will go, escalating directly to ballistic missile strikes so quickly and on CAPITAL CITIES albeit just military bases is fucking insane and incredibly irresponsible for nuclear powers. Who is going to mediate if something like this happened between US and Russia or China?
The fighting only stopped because both India and Pakistan have such little geopolitical power that their own national strategies are subject to the whims of greater powers, just as it was during the Arab-Israeli wars in the 60's and 70's.
>>2262313HURR DURR
by not picking sides, you pick sides.
>>2262367India: 76 I Q
China: 105 I Q
>>2262501what a weird non-sequitur.
but I had, I would've picked France. Only non-monarchy state, experienced the first comune, and the best choice.
>>2262424how many people would be affected?
>>2262438even so, that's a slap.
>>2262513and the non-sequitur keeps going. In what world India/Pakistan can be considered imperialists powers? are you reading yourself?
and yes, even among empires you want the least reactionary force to win.
>>2262381sorry little proley nvkkklear extinction is
NOT on the menv
>>2262518then why Pakistan is angry about that?
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/india/pakistan-ministers-call-indias-suspension-of-indus-waters-treaty-cowardly-immature-inappropriate/articleshow/120571433.cms>Pakistan Ministers call India's suspension of Indus Waters Treaty 'cowardly', 'immature' & 'inappropriate'it seems to me they know one or two things more than you.
>>2262537western leftists doesn't know what fascism is.
as anti-thesis of communism, fascism is, India, were fascists, would have nuked Kerala.
they simple answer is "rRRrevIshisHuMmsS". like, yeah buddies, get yourself a socialist revolution.
I never see them, by the way, spending time calling Merkel/Scholz's SPD revisionist, despite the SPD fucking website is full of Marx's articles.
Or Spain's PSOE
or the French communist that governed France under Miterrand, etc.
>>2262564western leftists deserve the gulag
I see a lot of ppl shitting on CPI(M) here because 'revisionism, social fascism' etc.
How are the communist parties ('revisionist' or not) in the west doing? At least the CPI(M) is running Kerala for decades, and before 2014, they ran Bengal also for decades. They will do nothing and sit and bitch about communists not doing enough in countries where life is 1000 times harder than in the west.
I also see the 'uuhhmm BJP is fascist'. Sure BJP is a bullshit ultra right wing garbage. But maybe apply the same standards to Pakistan? I find it funny how as long as the most reactionary views are presented under Islam, it's all fair and square. Pakistan annihilated its Communists all the way back in the 50s, Pakistan, with US blessings and funding, created and trained the Mujahideen to destroy Socialist Afghanistan, they treat their minorities like shit (minority lynhcings happen in Pak too you leftypol retards), but morons on Leftypol who know nothing about Pakistan are pontificating here.
>>2262597>NOOO let's not destroy capitalist countries just because a few proles live in itNot with that attitude lmao
This is why leftists have no pull in the west
>>2262583who's talking about 'pride' here? See, it's all sports for you morons
is democrat vs republican as the only choice something to be proud of?
>>2262606You're not a leftist
You're a neolib
>>2262582The Pakistani Communist Party does not really exist in the political sphere. It is not even registered as a political party in Pakistan.
You idiots who know these countries purely from a few online statements think the PCP is comparable to CPI(M), which has millions of followers.
Pakistani CP can release whatever revolutionary statement because they are just a small club of a few hundreds, maybe thousands at best.
You folks are like the leftcoms which release super revolutionary tracts which only concern the few dozen of them
>>2262597>multipolaristas proving theyre just cheerleaders for prole massacre episode 27262837
>implying the "prole massacre will not happen if I cheer one side or the other">and keeps the non-sequitur rolling comparing WWI interimperilists wars and two periphery global south countries.Have you ever read Lenin?
Lenin never advocated that communists parties in the periphery shouldn't pick a side. If anything, his "defeatism" theory was about each communist party inside their own imperial power. and that's it.
>>2262613Chinese: 105 I Q
Italian: 95 I Q
>>2262621>The slogans of social democracy at this time must be:
>First, all-embracing propaganda extending to the army and to the theatre of war, propagating the socialist revolution, and the necessity of using weapons not against one’s own brothers, the hired slaves of other countries, but against the reactionary and bourgeois governments and parties of all nations;
>The absolute necessity of organising illegal cells and groups in the armies of all nations for carrying on this propaganda in all languages;
>A ruthless struggle against the chauvinism and “patriotism” of the petty bourgeoisie and bourgeoisie of all countries without exception;
>An appeal to the revolutionary consciousness of the toiling masses, who bear the full burden of the war and who in most cases are hostile to opportunism and chauvinism, against the leaders of the present International, who have betrayed socialism.
>Second, propaganda calling for the immediate establishment of republics in Germany, Poland, Russia, and so forth, and for the organisation of the separate European states into a republican United States of Europe.
>Third, a struggle against the tsarist monarchy and Great Russian pan-Slav chauvinism; agitation for a revolution in Russia and for the liberation and self-determination of all peoples oppressed by Russia, with emphasis on the immediate aims-a democratic republic, confiscation of estate lands, and an eight-hour working day.”
>(From “The Tasks of Revolutionary Social-Democracy in the European War”, September 1914) >>2262630china's official statement on this matter is that both countries are China's neighbour and they call for de-escalation and restraint.
Based China is too smart to take side in such a shitshow.
>>2262634pakistan was never serious about the hunt for bin laden.
the Pakistani ruling class made a fortune in playing both sides, i.e harbouring extremist Sunni groups AND being America's bitch in the 'war on terror'.
A reminder that Pakistani general Zia Ul-Haq murdered thousands of Palestinians in Jordan when the Palestinians and Jordanians got into a fight. Pakistani ruling class are massive opportunists who get away with it by appealing to 'muslim unity and brotherhood'.
>>2262645war? when?
It's a Special Military Operation, comrade.
>>2262657maybe you're reffering to Bhutto?
Pakistan was born in particularly tumultuous circumstances, but any hope of it flourishing was dead once Zia Ul-Haq did a coup detat and established a military dictatorship.
>>2262663No, more recent, Imran Khan.
His party isn't something I necessarily support, but he exposed the corruption of the state and was arrested for it.
>>2262671ah Imran Khan, despite his best intentions, wouldn't be able to do shit unfortunately.
The Pakistani system has been rotting for many decades. Imran would be dealt with, either by his political opponents, by the military generals, or by one of the many extremist groups.
>>2262568>far rightLol.
>ethnicWhich ethnic group? Dont just say "indian" ya racist
>nationalistUmm why is that bad? We dont want to go back to more casteism
>>2262711well done, you have managed to understand that Hindutva fascists are fascists.
Now apply the same reasoning to the Islamic Republic of Pakistan. I wanna see if your standards are consistent.
>>2262733>>hating reservationI want to get rid of casteism asap, the only way to do that is to promote intercaste marriage in my opinion, reservation is just putting bandage on a gushing wound. Its been 70 years, the only way to break brahmanical patriarchy is to force them to have dalit wives.
>>hating welfare for womenThe politicians literally just do these schemes for a few months before elections and stop them after they win, like they literally just gave a few thousand rupees worth of train rides/kitchen fuel 2 months before an election
>>because muh economy???
>>2262756>dalit woman will fix bamansWhat are you smoking…castism is hinduism. Whole of hindu religion's metaphysical philosophy exists because of castism
>women welfareAtleast it is a way forward, even it is for vote bank… Problem is when women don't fight the same election as much as the men
>> muh economyThe most common argument is "muh economy is getting destroyed because of welfare"
>>2262579and you have no idea how insultful is. it's literal democrap liberalism talking, because that's where that speech comes from, to call India "fascist", just because trump had respect for Modi or something, using fascism happily because its meaning is anything nowadays.
AND WHAT THE FUCK IS PAKISTAN, HUH?Absolutely garbage people.
>>2263077You know exactly what BJP will do, if you run your fucking mouth, but you're a Christcuck, who worships pointless martyrs, so it's exactly what you want.
>YPG flag>demanding others show principlesIronic.
>>2262880>Americasure
>and Russialol in your dreams buddy. russia is probably the only first world country left in europe. living standards here are higher than germany
>>2263099If you feel entitled to survival, you're not a revolutionary.
If a scratch this tiny is all it takes for you to devolve into racism, you're not a communist.
>>2263099i was raised catholic and i'm an atheist
THOUGH you're cray cray
>>2263095I'm not Italian. Why is it that /pol/yps always think that whenever person X defends group Y (or maybe, not even defend, but just point out that dehumanization is reactionary) they
must be a secret seething member of that group? /pol/yp gremlins are unable to imagine that I just find "total X death" terminally unfunny and reactionary.
You should have been banned long ago. All your posts are hostile shit-stirring. You always go to bat for reactionaries and polyps but you're
slightly more subtle than them.
>>2263104person 1: total X death is unfunny
person 2: YOU MUST BE ITALIAN COPE ITALIAN
person 3: you're a brazilian!!!!!
person 4: you're racist!!!!
>>2263126Lenin wasn't German. Was he even in Germany?
On the other hand, Rosa and Karl Liebknecht were. How did that go?
>>2263148In my opinion working smarter means the Bolsheviks, permanent revolution and not betraying the working class for nationalism.
In your opinion working smarter means CPI(M) tier opportunism.
>>2263155That's why they govern in two provinces totaling 107 million people, and you're in charge of jack fucking shit.
Nobody will be asking
you what constitutes "smart".
>>2263133that was not my point. But it is important to ask what is revolutionary about a correct revolutionary position if it speaks to only a few hundred people?
It's like the many Maoist groups who us the words like 'the people will rise against the revisionists and join us in defeating imperialism under the banner of MLM' and 50 Years later they are still gunning a few policemen in the forests
>>2263172If your revolutionary message devolves into collaborating with a bourgeois state because of some geopolitics bullshit then do you have the right to call yourselves revolutionary anymore?
>>2263176I dont think anybody in this thread is under any illusion that Pakistan is anything other than a military dictatorship of Islamic nutjobs who would probably destroy all of South Asia in atomic fire if they thought it would get them a leg up on India. Arguing which one is more or less progressive is pointless because they're both just different flavors of fascist at the end of the day.
>>2263182"collaborating with a bourgeois state"?
A commuist party does not exist outside of the (bourgeois) state. It does not choose the existing conditions, the CP has to work with what is available. The Naxals are not 'collaborating' with the bourgeois state, what did it do for the working class of their regions? The main concern of. a communist is the cause of the workers, nothing else.
>geopolitics bullshitgeopolitics is a reality. You are an ultra anarkiddie. Go hug trees
>>2263201yeah they will magically usurp power when they do not participate in 'bourgeois parliamentarism' and they release revolutionary sounding tracts which will get the stamp of approval of online western 'marxists'
fuck you democrackka
>>2263245how the fuck are you linking the RSS with Sri Lanka?
'tailism' lol, you do realise small states like Sri Lanka HAVE to pacify bigger neighbours right?
Only a select few countries (like USA, China, India) can do what the USSR did. Else you just get crushed by the inevitable sanctions and embargo (NK, Cuba)
>>2263260and oh the 5% christians have. a right to their own state too
RELIGIOUS-ETHNOSTATES YAAAAY
>>2263267I never said that
take your gaslighting bullshit elsewhere
>>2263256geeezhums. those are in the imperial core.
anyone is entitled and should call them without question how revisionists they are, and shut their mouths when they or their proxies try to call revisionist whatever version of socialism exists elsewhere, you nuance things in the periphery.
>>2263259Pakistan is close to what ukraine is, though. a literal proxy for the US.
>>2263305Do you have any idea why there is an insurgency in Kashmir? The conditions there are regularly compared to the West Bank by both the people there and outside observers. The two regions are in constant competition for the most heavily repressed and policed region in the world. Its also desperately poor. Indian comprador capitalism is responsible for fuelling the unrest in the region, but the CPI(M)'s statement didn't even acknowledge this.
>>2263306Can you give me one reason why Indian OR Pakistani workers benefit from war between the two countries?
>Pakistan is close to what ukraine is, though. a literal proxy for the US.Both India and Pakistan have close ties to the West as well as to some of their enemies. Most Western governments spoke in favour of India in this war, and India has been the linchpin of US anti-Chinese strategy in mainland Asia since the signing of the Quad agreement. It also has very close ties to Israel, which is not surprising considering how similar Kashmir and the West Bank are. Pakistan for its part has a long history of close cooperation with the CIA. We very clearly have no dog in the fight between two blatantly reactionary regimes.
>>2263310>Can you give me one reason why Indian OR Pakistani workers benefit from war between the two countries?the only benefit should be a collapse of the imperialist powers and their collaborators, but there's nothing close to it, except I see the most reactionary element to be Pakistan.
>We very clearly have no dog in the fight between two blatantly reactionary regimes.au contraire, India is more independent from the west than Pakistan is.
>>2263389>AND DON'T KNOW MUCH ABOUT THE HISTORY OR CONTEMPORARY SITUATION OF, ???
Are you projecting, buddy?
>>2263395let me word it as a question
Are you saying that I (not you, I) must support (defined here as cheerleading on an imageboard) one side or the other (defined here as national spooks) in a war thousands of miles away, between countries I've never lived in, don't know the languages of, and don't know much about the history or contemporary situations of, or else I'm a lib shit, even when proles on the ground like vid related support
the people on both sides against
the governments (bourgeois nation states) on both sides? If so, meds.
>>2263403So why'd you butt into a conversation? Why is learning such a taboo to you?
Really makes me think.
>>2263344dude wake up
the military is definitely not made of exclusively Kshatriyas, just like the Vaisya (merchants) are not all actually merchants anymore. There are many many more Kshatriyas as workers and peasants than soldiers.
>>2263364these idiots think that every person who refuses to support some Uber-reactionary islamist dipshit is either Hindutva or Mossad lol
They also tend to think all islamist groups are Palestinian or Kashmiri resistance. Islamic fundamentalism has much, much bigger plans than small Palestine or small Kashmir.
>>2263409Cope, seethe, mald, and be forever a failure. Third-campism (or "anti-campism") is, was, and forever will be the first camp rebranded, and Shachtmann is reactionary, just like you will be. Something you literally never addressed, and fled, instead.
>>2263418>exclusively KshatriyasYeah, only vast majority of them are Brahmin, Jats and Rajputs, which I am sure is just a coincidence.
>>2263429where is the evidence for majority of Brahmins, Jats and Rajputs?!
If anything, according to the thousands years old 'tradition', brahmins are not supposed to carry weapons lol
>>2263421This post is literally the first mention of "Mossad" in all four threads.
Why would you bring up Mossad?
>>2263462I typed 'Indian army caste' into Google. And a lot of people are all too happy to tell me about caste discrimination in India and its military.
>The indian army does not publish caste belonging of its membersBut I guess if the Army officially doesn't disclose it, it isn't real. Definitely glowie behaviour.
>>2263497Pakistan is in China camp and India in America camp. Pakistan military and intelligence are also in America camp but government and people are not.
>>2263501No. Kashmir maybe but its not really close.
>>2263526You know right pakistan purchases F16s, AMRAAMs and IMF bailout money because of america's help???
Read some history chud
>>2263538trump is a pro-zionist
he can openly say he wants peace for Ukro-Russ and Indo-Pak because he doesn't give a shit about any of these countries. Israel however, is different. He has to tow the Netanyahu line.
>>2263536Pak is like Brazil, leans China but military will coup on behalf of US if they go too far. Thats why they "tolerate" ISI-CIA backed terrorists not because they want to.
Meanwhile India is in a military alliance with the US and its vassals Japan and Australia and is explicitly anti-China.
>>2263533>pakistan purchases F16s, AMRAAMsmilitary u mean? and decades ago??
next please tell us about putins position from 30 years ago. times change
>IMFSo they are victims to the tune of 2 billion. Meanwhile China gives away 30 billion in working infrastructure. I wonder who benefits if that gets blown up.
>>2263329>You're completely sidestepping the question. How do workers on either side of the border benefit from this war?ummmmmmmmmmm
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
hmmmmmmmmmmmm
idk
anyways anti campism is imperialist campism. don't ask me to explain
>>2262579Western Civilization is defined in opposition to Islam. So of course, western communists, living in their little western bubble, have to oppose the big bad guys and got to support Islam. Therefore, Islam gets the leeway in general. Also, the big Islam fear mongering as well by the rw, so its understandable, why it happens. Now what is Hinduism, you ask? Casteism bla blah. So, ofcourse westoid communists get their hard on against it and the oh big fascist bjp, its not like there is a rampant increase in right wing populism all across the globe. I would say India has moved towards fascism a lot more than any other state but still its just like any other state. All you gotta know is they know jackshit about mostly anything lol.
>>2263641no you see being anti war means youre actually pro war and an imperialist somehow
the true proletarian position is being pro war because thats being anti war
Pakistan gets 81% of their weapons from China now
India gets 56% of their weapons from Israel, USA and France
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/07/world/asia/india-pakistan-weapons.html>>2263532>>2263526>>2263501>>2263517the cunt who compared pakistan to Palestine, to the gulag. Pakistan was complicit in the murder of thousands of Palestine in what's known as black September, in the 70s.
NO ONE SINGLE POLITICIAN OF THAT TIME WAS PROSECUTED BY PAKISTANI AUTHORITIES.
Never, ever again do that comparison.
>>2263906reminder that according to the constitution of Pakistan, only Muslims can become prime minister or president
reminder that In Pakistan, a Muslim woman cannot marry a non-Muslim man, according to Islamic law and the interpretations of most Islamic scholars. However, a Muslim man can marry a woman who is a "People of the Book," meaning a Jewish or Christian woman.
reminder that Pakistan fanatically worked to destroy socialist Afghanistan
reminder that Le Trump is fascist but not islamic fascism as long as it is done under the banner of Islamic fundamentalism
reminder that supporting the Palestinian struggle does not mean one should blindly support any islamist movement elsewhere on earth, not that many of them die a shit about Palestine, other than to appeal to emotions of followers
DEATH TO FASCISM, DEATH TO PAKISTAN
>>2263887this, so much this
RUZZIA HAS A RIGHT TO DEFEND ITSELF
COMMUNISM IS A RUSSOPHOBIC DOGWHISTLE
>>2263921india is a bourgeois capitalist democracy with a Hindutva (ultra right wing) government since 10 years
But it has no anti-Islam or anti-Christian legislature, despite Hindu extremist gangs causing havoc now and then on the streets (India has had non-Hindus in many prominent positions, including the presidency)
There is no law preventing people from different religions to get married. There is social pressure from family etc to not marry outside of religion or caste, but there is no law preventing it. Which means you do find inter-faith marriages, albeit not in large enough numbers
India was one of the few friends of Socialist Afghanistan
India is a shitty capitalist 'democracy' ruled by ultra-right wing BJP and still manages to be less reactionary than P*kistan
>>2263939in law you retard
The BJP shits on Islam all the time and you have islamophobic gangs but no anti-Islamic law has been passed. The constitution is still secular.
That is still better than the constitutional anti-non-muslim nature of P*kistan
>>2263968again caste system persists socially, in the minds of people. Caste system is not present in the constitution or in laws. If anything, there are reservation laws, which provides quotas for discriminated castes (i.e 'lower' castes).
Far from being perfect, the secular state at least recognises the caste system and tried to tackle it through affirmative action.
>>2263973 (me)
recognises the caste system *as a problem that is
>>2263973I really, really don't care about the "largest democracy in the world" crap. Because it's crap. It's not persuasive
If anything, muslim republics are a lot like early USA in that they are exceedingly religious. Treating them as ONLY muslim is really reductive
>>2263978I am against the BJP before you even knew what BJP is, retard
I am just setting the record straight on Pakistan
>>2263973🤫🤫🤫🤫🤫
don't bring the Indian constitution, they will scream very loudly "rrrRRRReeVISHIuuUUniiiSHHUmmmS" when they read the preamble.
WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA, having solemnly resolved to constitute India into a 1 [SOVEREIGN SOCIALIST SECULAR DEMOCRATIC REPUBLIC] and to secure to all its citizens: JUSTICE, social, economic and political; LIBERTY of thought, expression, belief, faith and worship; EQUALITY of status and of opportunity; and to promote among them all FRATERNITY assuring the dignity of the individual and the 2 [unity and integrity of the Nation]; IN OUR CONSTITUENT ASSEMBLY this twenty-sixth day of November, 1949, do HEREBY ADOPT, ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION.https://cdnbbsr.s3waas.gov.in/s380537a945c7aaa788ccfcdf1b99b5d8f/uploads/2024/07/20240716890312078.pdfbut hey, western leftist compare India with Pakistan like piss and shit, because they know a thing or two about socialism, right?
>>2264007I am again letting you know that i oppose bjp and modi before you knew of their existence
I dont have to defend the gujrat riots, modi should be in jail for this
>>2263990>>2263996The problem isn't taking territory, it's diverting water from people who clearly need it. India hasn't even tried to take any territory yet. India would be fine if they proclaimed that they are going to restore trve multireligious India from English meddling, but they aren't doing that. They just want to divert water from poor people.
India is itself unfortunately a CIA ally in many cases with all their sperging out against China. Pakistan is still a link in the belt and road and its existence is very important for securing another victory of all mankind against imperialism in the coming war between China and USA.
>>2264010Can’t have an imperialist enclave without local collaborations willing to sell their souls and destroy the futures of all the people of Bharat for their forty pieces of silver
>>2264016All this could be avoided if the illegitimate Pakistani state agreed to dissolve itself and be reincorporated into Bharat, but raping and killing Hindus and Christians is too important for them so the Indian government had to respond in a language they understand. Again, if the Pakistani state weren’t so stubborn this wouldn’t be happening at all
>>2264013nta, but the obsession to equal India with Pakistan is awful, he calls you "BJP shill", but he forgets to put these
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_Ghotki_riotshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Karak_temple_attackhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Larkana_temple_attackbut do you know what India and Pakistan haven't in common? India has never been a hub for rabid anti-communist incels, overthrowing communist governments and be part of creation of the largest terrorist network, alongside turkey and SAK and by US financing and greenlighting.
piss and shit, I guess.
>>2264031>India has never been a hub for rabid anti-communist incelsThe BJP are rabid anticommunists.
>overthrowing communist governmentsThey just joined an anti-Chinese alliance with the US. They would love to overthrow China's communist government if they could.
>>2264034Your position appears to be that we should just side with liberal states over non liberal states regardless of whether there's actual benefit for the worker's movement.
>>2264036Both India and Pakistan are willing collaborators with imperialism.
>>2264037>>2264039lmao are you by any chance Paki?
>muh defend thisNO U pic rel.
>>2264045You want to post events then when I post one with many multiple times more deaths you have no response.
To you terrorism= Muslim did it. Hindu = not terrorist
18,000 dead and you don't care.
>>2264042The difference is that pakistan actively supports these groups, their creation, their protection, etc
And then of course it bites them back now and then when a sunni extremist group decides to attack a shia mosque in their own territory
>>2264057They have
You dont know shit about pakistan it seems
>>2264041>The BJP are rabid anticommunistsnot to the point of declaring war against communism everwhere, and overthrow other communist parties.
>They just joined an anti-Chinese alliance with the US aha, sure, was it when trump in his first period pressed India to stop trading with China and that only boomed the trade balance between China and India, or was it when India decided to abandon BRICS?
If anything, India is fiddling with the US, and that's why the Bangladesh coup happened, and why Pakistan is being used to attack India.
>Your position appears to be that we should just side with liberal states over non liberal states regardless of whether there's actual benefit for the worker's movement. My side is not to allow be lectured with BS stuff that makes no sense.
>>2264046another weird non-sequitur ITT. Where did I say that what happened in India wasn't terrorism or bad? fuck you.
but I don't go on the ropes, equaling two very distinct nations, one less reactionary than the other.
>>2264058You are delusional thinking all this Hindu supremacy goes away due to party in power. It doesn't at all.
The Indian government represses Muslims and abuses them regardless of what party leads and as do the people with racist views
>>2264064>not to the point of declaring war against communism everwherePakistan's closest regional ally and largest arms supplier is a communist government.
>aha, sure, was it when trump in his first period pressed India to stop trading with China and that only boomed the trade balance between China and India, or was it when India decided to abandon BRICS?Cope all you want but the Quad agreement exists and is specifically designed to facilitate aggression against China. India is by no means committed to any kind of anti-imperialist cause. Both states exert a degree of independence, both have friendly relations with some anti-Western governments and some Western governments. Neither one fits neatly into a pro or anti-imperialist category. The differences between the two are marginal in the grand scheme of things.
>>2264031Its painful how some morons who recently wikipediad pakistan and india, and who get their news from CNN/BBC/aljazeera are lecturing us about the indo-pak problem.
So many idiots thought that the caste system is still the official state system and that kshatriyas are all military men in the indian army 🤣
I will leave with a quote from beloved Mao - NO INVESTIGATION, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK
>>2264081It's so obvious you are Indian with the smugness you type with and even adding the emojis.
Start respecting muslims in India and stop trying to abuse them.
>>2264022They won't do that. India isn't asking them to, either. India just wants to divert water from an arid area with hundreds of millions of people in order to create extreme instability. It seems that the best realistic path is the one that happened.
- Neither side advances, Pakistan still has water
- Western weapons are exposed as shit, western support is exposed as unreliable and useless
- India abandons any plans of getting closer with western imperialists because of this minor humiliation
>>2264077>Pakistan's closest regional ally and largest arms supplier is a communist government.and India main supplier was the USSR. again, you try to compare them as they if they were shit and piss, and that's not the case.
Pakistan is by far much worse.
>Cope all you wantyou can't play the cope card when you haven't addressed all the reality checks I spoke about, and you know that quad agreements is held togheter with saliva.
and who the fuck is claiming India plays a role into anti-imperialism? damn, all these non-sequiturs.
>>2264103I dunno, honestly. There's always a bad attitude towards dirtier-looking people, even within the same ethnicity. This doesn't make it racism, maybe "classism", anti-poor mentality, or whatever you would call it
I genuinely don't know whether or not there is ethnic difference between Indian castes. There's some research that says there is, but my knee-jerk reaction is that it's bullshit made for consumption by higher caste racists
>>2264113and? if it weren't for October 7th, Pakistan would have normalized relations with Israel, and they were complicit in the killing of thousands of Palestinians in black September.
then again, one is an anti-communist cesspool capable of invading and overthrowing communist governments, the other has its own regional communist autonomous region.
>>2264137How many Palestinians has India directly killed? not only Palestinians,
PLO Palestinians.
>>2264095yes just like the slaves in the americas
they weren't africans kidnapped and sold into slavery, they were actually whites who got more exposure to the sun at the plantation so they looked "black"
>india shills are this retarded >>2264162And you are an absolute illiterate in ideology. do yourself a favor and read what fascism is from Marxists authors, like Rosental Iudin. fuck, even the trotkyite Tom Bottomore defines it well.
>>2264207pakistan closest partner is nato as picrel illustrates.
>>2264223>July 2017Out of curiosity I got some more recent numbers from OEC World. Not trying to argue with you one way or the other, just posting what I found.
1st pic is Pakistan's exports to
2nd pic is Pakistan's imports from
>>2264227and you are an absolute retard.
>>2264229I guess 13+6.7 is lower than 16.9, in shitlibery world.
>>2264064>If anything, India is fiddling with the US, and that's why the Bangladesh coup happened, and why Pakistan is being used to attack India.Then why do exactly what they want? Why go straight to war instead of offering joint anti-terror cooperation and intelligence? Take notes from Xinjiang, India and Pakistan both put in equal funding for houses and jobs in Kashmir, terrorism gone. China can help, will do it for free. 3 billion together vs CIA terrorists who wins?
>>2264101>wasGot an example from this century? Balance of power has changed.
>>2264125Oh I get it Pakistan did something bad 50 years ago so
Israe India has a right to defend itself from the unprovoked full scale Pakistani gov led terror invasion. Thats why the Pak military jets that did Pahalgam have the daesh flag?
>>2264382I doubt it. Imperialism is the highest stage of capitalism and fascism is imperialism in decay. Neither state is at the highest stage and both are net exploited by international trade as sources of cheap labor and resources stuck in dependency. India is the aggressor and Pakistan doesn't have full control of its own territory, but that doesn't mean they get to bomb Indian civvies.
Its really not that complicated and manufacturing some kind of controversy doesn't work because anti-imperialists are aligned with anti-campists on this one. If some want to call India imperialist they would be using a wrong metric that also would apply to Russia and China.
If you want to get really technical then Ukraine Saudi and Taiwan are also not imperialist or fascist because they are underdeveloped comprador proxies that fuel international monopoly while their own internal economies are not dominated by monopoly, while Israel is an edge case that is still dependent. Its not just the existence of FDI that counts but the dominance of capital export in the economy and the net balance of inflow/outflow. Ireland, Monaco, Hong Kong, Switzerland etc are tax havens not imperialist.
Actually imperialist countries would be the US, UK, Germany, France, Sweden, Belgium, Netherlands, Italy, Spain, Austria, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan and South Korea
>>2264339all your replies to me, a whole bunch of things I never said.
and then again, no disproving on who between the two is the worst, by a greater margin.
>>2264425>no disproving on who between the two is the worstneither is worst from an internationalist perspective, but if we have to pick one its india because they are the aggressor and because their military is aligned with their government, where pakistani intelligence and military are rogue actors.
to say pakistan is worse you have to prove the government is aligned with the rogue actors funding terrorism and also that they directed the attacks in pahalgam, which there is no evidence for. the bad actor here is CIA-ISI not pakistan as a nation, and indian nationalists calling for escalation that would perpetuate the cycle of violence instead of addressing its root in poverty
>>2264449I don't think that's a qualifier to make India bad. It would not have stained the USSR, for example, one bit, to nuke to smitherins that reactionary anti-communist shithole that is known as Pakistan in the 70/80s.
>>2264449>you have to prove the government is aligned with the rogue actors funding terrorismwell, no one asked the ties between their governments and the terrorists.
but, oh boy, you gonna love this recollection of different moments where Pakistan not only sponsored and gave a safe heaven for separatist terrorist, but they hid them, claimed they were killed, and only under extreme pressure did they took some action.
https://cnimyanmar.com:8443/index.php/english-edition/28857-exposed-pakistan-s-state-sponsored-terrorism-and-its-unrepentant-admissionsbut what's best it's self-confession:
>In a rare moment of honesty, Pakistan’s former Defence Minister admitted that Pakistan "supported terrorist groups for 30 years" and did "dirty work" for geopolitical gains. He remarked, “We have been doing this dirty work for the USA for about three decades and for the West, including Britain. That was a mistake and we suffered for that. If we had not joined the war against the Soviet Union and the war after 9/11, Pakistan’s track record was unimpeachable.”people is living in Pakistan are considered heroes by the Jordanian government as heroes:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirwaiz_Umar_Farooqliterally a government that has co-sponsored Palestinian annihilation, where their head/chief of state is part of the british military, like Jordan, has been cucked as a proxy state. And Pakistan doesn't do shit, don't cut ties.
The evidence is there. you don't want to see it? fine by me, but the government involvement is too deep to deny it.
>>2264529>It would not have stained the USSR, for example, one bit, to nuke to smitherins that reactionary anti-communist shithole that is known as Pakistan in the 70/80s.To massacre 60 million workers? Theres a reason Stalin didn't nuke London and New York.
>In a rare moment of honesty, Pakistan’s former Defence Minister admitted that Pakistan "supported terrorist groups for 30 years"This is not evidence of the pahalgam attack. What happened 30 years ago is not today. This "confession" is not a confession of the attack but a declaration to move away from US influence.
>considered heroes by the Jordanian governmentanother 50 year old conflict
>The evidence is there. you don't want to see it? >the government involvement is too deep to deny itrogue elements in the government that are still influenced by the CIA is evidence of American meddling not the will of the Pakistani nation or even of Pakistan bourgeoisie who want Pakistan to develop. Its a minority of warlord and intelligence types who want Pakistan to remain destitute because it benefits them financially. This is akin to mafia corruption not evidence of state policy.
All this just reminds me of people spamming the Putin Pinochet essay without understanding that the geopolitical situation of Russia has changed over the decades. Pakistan today is not Pakistan of the 1970s. 'Funding' LeT in the 90s by transferring American money to them is not evidence that they are funding LeT today or that the terror attacks are directed by the Pak gov. This is equally as retarded as blaming failed states Afghanistan and Iraq for 9/11 because the Americans destroyed their country. You want to condemn Venezuela and Brazil for eternity too because they used to be dictatorships half a century ago? Really just sounds like unhinged racism as if you think Islam is an inherently terroristic culture incapable of change. If you want to blame someone blame America. Maybe India should be a good neighbor and support Pakistan moving out of US orbit. If they want terror to stop address the source not the symptom
>>2264433poo poo pee pee
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