My opinion of them is extremely negative.
Look up what they did to Moroccans in the North and what they did to Canary Islands. Complete genocide, they have colonies in the Maghreb to this day as well. Also complete hypocrite who expelled all their Muslims/Arabs along with Jews but are only allowing Jews to have a right to return apologizing for the Reconquista but all the North Africans are left out, when it was them who built that civilization. They can't even give back Ceuta and Melilla while crying about the Brits in Gibraltar.
They have done horrible things to African and Native Americans, crimes against a group of people that has rarely if ever been matched in human history
I find the civilizations contribution to the culture and human civilization to be much lower than what their grip extended.
Very fascist in mistreating their own ethnic minorities (Catalonians, Galicians and Basques) and have a similar enemy mentality to the entire Arab world to this day
They're an unproductive welfare economy where the people enjoy a standard of living much higher than they contribute, with high unemployment. Living from EU subsides and tourism. I didn't think it was very clean either.
I also read it is a country with the highest amount of infidelity and promiscuity. Such loose morals are not attractive to me either
Also the language in Spain sucks compared to how the Latinos speak it, I found the food to not be very good, the Spanish Empire was even more brutal than the English one, the style/aesthetic doesn't please me, etc. the only positive thing I can say about it is that their descendant countries in the New World have produced very vibrant and diverse locales, only possible because of their abandonment of the more problematic Spanish influence
It's one of the worst European countries for sure, I'm just glad the based Brits treat it how it should be treated.
I like even Fr*nce more tbh.
>>2263929Spain under the Habsburgs, especially during the Iberian Union with Portugal, was peak civilization and historically progressive. That's why the indigenous and hispanic peoples of Latin America have no beef with Spain, because inside they know it's true.
If capitalism arose out of the Spanish Empire and not the Anglo one, it would have been far more humane and we probably would have had socialism by now.
>>2263948It was the most brutal and genocidal state of its time
What they did to the canaries they replicated in Hispaniola and the New World
>>2263912Croissant and Petit Gateau alone mogs
When people say "Spanish" food they think of actually Mexican ones which are amazing, spanish couisine consists of charred pork
>>2263916Irish support is historical and genuine
Spain payed some lip services because the Moroccan King became buddy buddy with Trump and Nutty in evhange for proection of Sahara regions, which Spain seeks to colonize to seize Potassium mines
>>2263948mexican here
spain and its empire are trash and are only defended by hispanistas and self-hating anglos with exotic views of latin americans as colorful, mixed race, and happy-go-lucky people who are "naturally" inclined to the left and "above" their racial schizophrenia and other hogwash like that.
main reason why there's even any indigenous people in latin america is simply that spain happened to subjugate the most densely populated regions of the americas such as mesoamerica and the andes and even after all the epidemics and shitty living conditions there were still too many to completely die out unlike in places like the caribbean, venezuela and the river plate.
>>2264148What you do is mechanical materialism, not historical materialism. Of course things would have been vastly different, the geographical factors alone make a difference.
>hurr durr nationalismSpanish and Portugese Empires were globalist in their approach. There was way less racism too.
>>2264468absolutely 0 apart from in the cities
perfect
>>2264476A non-pussy communist party is a good start.
A United Front could work now (foreign backed counter revolution notwithstanding) because the Spanish Left is more conventional than it was in the 1920s when it was more syndicalist/anarchist and was unique to Spain, which as we know caused confusion and division.
>>2264491They are the most well funded communist party in the EU and have seats in the EU parliament. They are an ultraleft party that reject the Popular Front and see themselves as having the right to interfere in the internal affairs of communist parties in other parties.
The KKE also had the opportunity to form an anti NATO patriotic coalition with PASOK and SYRIZA and didn't take the chance. Greece could've rejected austerity and left NATO but they didn't.
https://wap21.org/?p=4400 >>2264505Very interesting. Reminds me somewhat of Bordiga's stance of the soviet question, where he argued that since the state of the USSR was of international importance, parties of other countries should also have a say in its development iirc.
Either way, there is no denying the force of the KKE domestically.
>>2263909Because is a hasbeen empire on decline surviving of gibs from Germany
By the XVIII century Spain was nothing but a puppet of France
>>2264518>parties of other countries should also have a say in its development iirc.>bordigathe guy who ended being a fascist collaborator?
no wonder he argued such a horrible idea, especially when Lenin wrote a whole-ass assin' ass book on people like him, and directed to him.
>>2264638>>2264641of course armchairs anarchist don't know that recent declassified documents show that bordiga was, under his house arrest, an informant for ᴉuᴉlossnW.
the current level of discourse of the anarchists that never questioned anti-Stalinists. I guess you two also still believe that the Hungarian "resistance" were "freedom fighters" lmao.
>>2264657https://cedocsv.blogspot.com/2020/11/bordiga-sconosciuto-1926-1944-14.htmlhttps://libcom.org/forums/history/bordiga-leninist-who-put-his-hopes-axis-27122017https://www.left-dis.nl/f/resum.hist.gci.pdfhttps://www.avvenire.it/agora/pagine/pci-ovra-la-sporca-alleanzahttps://cesim-marineo.blogspot.com/2020/12/bordiga-caduta-fascismo-e-imperialismo.htmlwould he be true to his cause, he would have been thrown to the jail with Lozurdo. left to rot. Lozurdo be in the glory of history.
he wanted not only for the Axis to win, he was hoping that hitler and as this book quotes:
>Similarly, other spies attempted to gain the trust of the most well-known exponents of anti-fascism who remained in their homeland. The former secretary of the PCI Amadeo Bordiga was closely monitored by confidants who - as previously mentioned - had gained the trust of his wife. According to no. «40» (the tandem Troiani-Cassinelli, cited several times) Bordiga was said to have drawn closer to the regime, to the point of declaring himself, in April 1936, a «convinced collaborator». From the file registered by the Political Police Division for the former communist leader, we can deduce the work carried out around him by confidants no. «145» (unidentified), «267» (Ugo Girone), «591» (Angelo Alliotta) and «630» (Luigi Villani). The environment of the former Neapolitan communists was deeply infiltrated and every move, even the most innocent, was recorded by one or more double agents. A chance meeting in Milan in November 1937 between two old comrades in the militancy, one of whom (Antonio Natangelo) had recently had a meeting with Bordiga, resulted in a report that ended up on Bocchini's desk; in one passage of the report the informer observed: «He told me that Bordiga is still a communist although anti-Stalinist and that he (Natangelo) fully shares Bordiga's point of view». Next to this sentence a note drawn in blue pencil highlights the police chief's assessment: «If he is a communist like Bordiga we can rest easy».12 >>2264759>the armchair lord happily embraces his ultra position, proving that in some few years and when things get tough, he will also threw away his principles the same way bordiga did.>he was forcedlol, no, every study of the declassified notes reveal there is consistency of bordiga's open statements, like if hitler would win the anglos, he would embrace "the butcher".
returning to the thread, one thing, a fun fact noteworthy of sharing is that every single time, with the exception of sanchez government, whenever the psoe has been in power, the GINI exploded (more inequality) in Spain.
>>2264783oh, you dense stingy retard, you were talking that he quit his position praising hitler and ᴉuᴉlossnW, not that he abandoned communism in 1943.
read one of the articles I gave you, one of the spies on bordiga said he was very well aware of the national political events, that eventually led in June 1943 to ᴉuᴉlossnW's overthrown. of course he was abandoning the losing wagon, the same way he abandoned communism.
he had the principles of a bag full of shit.
>>2264707>the most prominent Catholic countryThese are Poland and Hungary actually
Atm Spain is mostly irreligious and Latam is only nominally mostly catholic because in practice is an evangelical hellhole
>>2264409No they didn't retard. They were in the same "racist" a medieval person was, discriminating against non-Christians and pagans in particular. In fact, it was a Spanish monk, Bartolomé de Las Casas, who first argued for the dignity of the indigenous even when they were not Christian.
When the population of the Americas became largely Christian, Anglos couldn't justify slavery and racism on religious grounds anymore, hence they came up with "scientific racism", Lamarcke, skull-measuring etc. - that's what we understand as modern racism.
>>2265208nationalism should be a bannable offense.
everytime the word "historically progressive" is used in this website it literally just means "my genocidal empire is le better than your genocidal empire because… aesthetics!" imagine being this retarded and illiterate.
>>2263909Go ask the citizens of Ceuta and Melilla if they want to be Moroccan or Spanish. They're Spanish cities, not colonies. Go and study the difference.
What a shitty thread. I had to check three times if I was in /pol/ or /leftypol/.
>>2265315Settler colonizer opinion doesn't matter
Your point is like >go ask israelis if they want to be palestinians
>>2265346Historically they and the portuguese invaded, exterminated most of the native moorish population and established a bunch of settler colonizers
Even then, the settlers were a minority up until the 50s when Franco sent a bunch of squatters to these enclaves to make them castillian majority
By all means is literally the same crap as Israel and makes the current Spanish bravado against Israel complete hipocrisy
>>2265381>makes the current Spanish bravado against Israel complete hipocrisynot really, because they're not involved in active genocide anymore. Its children of children of children at this point, the guys living there arent responsible, and they havent an apartheid situation either afaik.
Its one of the great evil of colonizations that it creates awful situation and long term inequalities that are eventually inherited by innocent people. Although young israelis are apparently happy to become murderous criminal in turn to defend their position.
>>2265816Based on being genocidal settler colonizers and the inventors of apartheid they surely are
>>2265604Again, reported for racism
>>2265835>Abortion>Human sacrificeCrypto-/pol/ uyghur image.
Should have used cartel executions instead, it would be even more of a salt rub in racist white peoples wounds.
>>2265835As the other post put it, that pic is literally a selfown born of the cesspits of a poltard mind.
Anyway, the spanish empire is like the roman empire, and all empires really.
Reaaaaaaally evil. end of thread.
And the spanish should have won in invading England and converting Japan, millions lives would have been gained, then lost in some other way but Nanking and all of those demised in the japanese empire as we know it would not have happened. And anime would not have happened >>2265816lol, no. they were so horrible, their ex-colonies have 0 respect for them.
I don't know one single colony that still would like to be part of spain. even the fucking US has Liberia's capital named Monrovia for the amusement of James Monroe, you get nothing close to that in the spanish ex-colonies.
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