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>>2266369>debateThat's called "coping" and "seething".
>so as to not have to rely so much on it for permission and go aheadAnd the reason is in your own post. If they had the balls to actually tell the US to go pound sand, they would've done it billions of dollars ago.
>>2266436>That's called "coping" and "seething".Well, sure, but it's still happens.
>And the reason is in your own post. If they had the balls to actually tell the US to go pound sand, they would've done it billions of dollars ago.Only thing I was trying to clarify was that the initial anon making the point about Israel isn't "even wrong". Historically, at least in the last half-century, Israel has legitimately considered trying to decouple itself. The issue is that it really can't find an avenue or a big enough trigger point to do so, the benefits usually made the losses tolerable, and current events more or less killed the debate for a while given the Trump administrations prior permissiveness. It has allies and blocs it could jump to (about half of BRICS already has/had amicable or amendable relations with Israel), but none really match one for one with the US in military or influence (yet). Theres also the whole "bulwark against barbarism" mentality that makes Israel more closely attach itself to the hip to the west then any eastern power, and the US is currently still the largest western power.
>>2266369Meir Kahane was talking about cutting g the US aid back in the 1980s
so that they could 'sort out' the 'Arab problem' once and for all without US meddling. but he popularised the critique of US aid on the zionist right
How China is quietly aiding Israel's settlement enterprise
Away from Beijing's lofty rhetoric about defending Palestinians, Chinese firms are helping to sustain illegal settlements
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/china-quietly-aiding-israels-settlement-enterprise-how>>2266429>NetanyahuTrump walks *out* to greet Benjamin Netanyahu in the strangest of places, the US embassy in Jerusalem.
But rather than a handshake,Trump is holding the golden pager, puts it on Netanyahu's hand and closes his fingers around it with a meaningful look. An aide hands Bibi a briefcase, all black and formal, seemingly heavy for it's size.
<It's over. We've won.A few pregnant seconds later Bibi nods looking through Trump, straight through the embassy building, straight through time, to Greater Israel. He picks up the briefcase and begins walking past the crowd towards the embassy building, alone. Nobody follows. The guards salute, the press salutes, many at home do the same.
The soldier by the building's door salute, looking straight forward, stone faced, daring not interrupt this momentous event with a hint of humanity. They are ready.
The crystal doors open for him, and Bibi strides inside without hesitation. Moments later, the windows blow out with fire and debris and a few people, some more whole than others, in death. All across Israel the fateful sirens begin ringing. At the gate, even Trump salutes the cameras catch the raging fire consuming the embassy reflected in his eye.
A few days later, after an emergency meeting of NATO leaders, the Global War on Terror II was declared. The Iranian regime would not get away with this. Freedom would endure against Islam.
>>2266951>well they aren'tthen trump won't continue drifting to the gulf states
trump is trying to get the gulf states to accept israeli dominace against palestine in exchange for trifling recognition of the west bank and some goodie bags
>>2267435In the very coming days, we are going in with full force to complete the operation. Completing the operation means defeating Hamas, " he said.
"There will be no situation where we stop the war. A temporary ceasefire might happen, but we are going all the way."
>>2267643Because they want to tap into a teleological version of "historical necessity" for socialism. They want to say that the middle east too, will "forgive them americans" if they are allowed to stop being a colony. Even if it's begrudgingly and as a result of military defeat. As a counter to the civilizational battle that western intervention is coated in, including hasbara.
In practice, a middle east that becomes even somewhat independent of NATO, would immediately mean the end of the pretrodollar and US hegemony with it. So there is just no chance for that to ever happen.
>>2266675MEE is no longer in the recommended sites because it is , first and foremost comprador media.
https://xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/1866972218955382831#mhttps://xcancel.com/zei_squirrel/status/1862972761922031622#mIt's no coincidence that this comes out at the same time that KSA is getting their "Israel normalization" offers.
I will say I find endearing how liberals believe in BDS (because at this point its more like a religion than any reality) and think that consumer boycotts can do anything when Israel and the entire region is unconditionally backed by NATO. At that point you are just missing business.
May aswell complain that China keeps stakes in the gulf oil business, instead of letting the petrodollar properly in the hands of it's western owners, for the sake of some retarded boycott that literally only exists in the heads of radlibs.
>>2268157>Gideon Saarkek i had to look that up and its a real guy
full support saar
>>2268032i mean its easy to say those things in a diplomatic letter. even biden was telling israel that they'd gone too far while he continued supporting the genocide.
if you read the article you'd see that chinese trade with israel increased since october
>>2268031>Oh no, how could it be that materialism trumps morals. I wasnt told this! I demand a refund on my understanding of politicsmaterialism is when you support genocide and if you dont support genocide youre a moralist
>>2268260ok then we can use egypt as an example, or any other arab country that promised le 'retaliations' while continuing to support israel, its easy to talk without doing anything to help gazans
point is, yemen is the only country in the world that put their money where their mouth was
I'll leave this here in case you want it
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[email protected]https://www.scmp.com/news/china/diplomacy/article/3298885/china-signals-willingness-boost-israel-ties-after-gaza-conflict-strained-relationsAccording to the Chinese foreign ministry, Wang hailed the long friendship between the Chinese and Jewish people, in particular their mutual help during World War II.
βChina always views the development of China-Israel relations from a long-term perspective and is willing to work with Israel to advance the development of the China-Israel innovative comprehensive partnership,β Wang said.
The partnership agreement, signed in 2017, was the second one of its kind following a similar deal with Switzerland, and saw the two sides agree to expand technology and trade ties, while Beijing also agreed to invest in Israeli infrastructure.
>>2268305impressive, now lets see whos israels biggest trade partner
>>2268312i find it funny how dengoids portray china as this highly centralized country where the state controls everything and if a porky dare speaks up they get executed, but somehow china cant stop trading with this tiny country in the middle east kek
why is a socialist country so worried about losing some profit? isnt it worth it to fight agaisnt imperialism?
https://www.calcalistech.com/ctechnews/article/hyezqaaiyxChinaβs ambassador: βThe war is not the theme of Israel-China bilateral relationsβ
In a rare wide-ranging interview, Chinaβs ambassador to Israel, Xiao Junzheng, discusses Beijingβs strong economic ties with Israel despite geopolitical tensions, its vision for regional stability, the new Trump administrationβs tariff war, and why China sees Israeli innovation as key to its own modernization.
>>2268355China is supplying Israel no matter how you look at it
>>2268357Your rebuttal blows
>>2268373>Why aren't you asking US to stop trading with Israel then?I am. People were discussing China right now though so I responded on the topic.
>>2268374US state department wants to sanction Israel?
>>2268374US state dept want other countries to stop trading with China.
You want China to voluntarily cut trading with a country.
You are one and the same.
>>2268376US state department want to sanction China.
You want to sanction China.
>>2268381China will stop trading with Israel the moment US stopped trading with Israel.
Why should China be the first to ruin their trading?
>>2268391"Anti-imperialist things" are often not the best course of action
Retarded CIA agents masquarating as leftists don't understand this
>>2268401Billionaire CEOs are bad. Killing them is advancing communist interests. You should go kill a one right this moment.
If you disagree you're not a leftist.
>>2268404Talk like a state dept shill
Walk like a state dept shill
>>2268409>>2268410Reddit spacing bait again
CIA is not sending their best
>>2268408Talks like a loser
Walks like a loser
>>2268413ANNNND there's the ad hominem
Shills just can't help it
>>2268417That's right fellow leftists, Cuba IS the enemy!
- Agent John
>>2268423>>2268417Exactly. Cuba has an excuse for their desperate action.
>>2268424Itβs an ad hominem if you use one, which you did.
>>2268435Pretending China and Cuba are in remotely comparable situations is absurd and you know this.
>>2268437I don't know what you're on about man
>>2268447China: fights US
Cuba: fights US
You: The two are not comparable. In fact we should make distinctions between the two because it's in the US's interest to do so. Also I'm totally not a CIA shill.
>>2268467china claims to be a communist country. users here also claim that china is anti imperialist
so why cant they support an anti imperialist cause?
>>2268435>China is fighting a multi-front war against the US empireChina is well built up nation and a manufacturing powerhouse that enjoys widespread global influence and trade. Currently, itβs not in any open conflicts and it appears to be doing perfectly fine in whatever dealings it has with the United States and its proxies (hostile or otherwise).
Cuba is an isolated nation that has been mostly cut off from global trade and is currently partially occupied by the US government who put a black site on it. Its economy is in the gutter, its resources are low, and recently its practically irreplaceable power grid was turned off by a hurricane.
They are not comparable. And China has enough leg room to not make questionable decisions like this.
>>2268442Cuba does not have many options
>>2268485"here's me chastizing china but don't ever talk shit to the biggest imperialist power in the world, the united states"
t. you, the tryhard cia shill
>>2268491who am i shilling for though. clearly not israel because the whole argument started over chinese trade with israel. clearly not the US because theyre currently arresting students for being pro palestine
so who am i shilling for exactly
>>22684991.2 trillion
Cope
>>2268507Qatar is an Israel ally on the Palestine issue
UAE is an Israel ally on the Palestine issue
Saudi Arabia is an Israel ally on the Palestine issue
>>2268493Trump seems to be aligning U.S. foreign policy with the vision of Gulf elites, with Trump handing active management of the region over to a Turkey-Jolani-Gulf axis which will serve to pacify region and keep it away from Chinese and Iranian influence while running roughshod over democracy (which can only empower anti-Israeli politicians). This will probably mean expanding the Abraham Accords further, as well as potentially doing the nuclear cooperation with Saudi Arabia they have always wanted.
Also the neocon bashing by Trump is funny, J.D. Vance also does it, because the term "neocon" now seems like it has lost all meaning and is exclusively used to attack Democratic/Biden foreign policy.
>>2268522This guy is literally
>>2268508 >>2268512Good catch
>>2268494Oh Iβm so sorry Dengist. But maybe you shouldnβt have falsely compared China to Cuba in such a ridiculous manner.
And honestly, is this really divisive? Or are you simply failing the fabled βpurity testβ that liberals oh so hate and love to complain about? You seem to have already failed in your responsibility as a βsupposed communistβ to βruthlessly scrutinize everythingβ, so Iβm having serious doubts that I am actually being divisive. Rather, this appears to be nothing more than an expelling of a reactionary from the communist label.>>2268503
>>2268503>The US hasn't stopped shipping to Israel but I don't see you mention that. That has already been mentioned previously. And it will continue to be mentioned after this discussion ends.
>Why are you deliberately downplaying US involvement wrt. Israel?I am not. The USA is still the biggest backer of the Zionist state known as Israel. But that does not change the fact that China hasnβt stop their shipments to the Zionist state.
>>2268532Cope
>NotSeethe
>AMald
>Argument China is now more well liked than the USA world wide
Xi Jinping is more well liked world wide than Donald Trump
https://www.politico.eu/article/usa-popularity-collapse-worldwide-trump-return/>>2269016Reminder that Israel has already won decades ago and we are just witnessing the slow death of Palestine because the Israelis are sadists and enjoy it
The Palestinian debacle should be a lesson about the dangers of idealism, sentimentalism and martyr-fetishisation.
>>2269016Reminder that the genocide is Gaza is a done deal, not a future risk nor a hypothetical.
no BDS
no immolations
no protests
no student protests
no union protests
no international institution (ICC ICJ UNSC NGOs…)
no journalism
Materially impacted Israel in any way. The "resistance" is gutted and seeking ot negotiate 1967 borders in exchange for not being wholly exterminated. Iran is reeling, Hezbollah is hiding, Syria is taken over by NATO headchoppers. And the usual compradors are queueing up to kiss the ring of the US again so they can safely shake their fist at Israel again.
So by whichever measure you choose, you failed.
>>2269152trvthnvke
And even the 1967 is a pipe dream now. No fucking way Israel will give up the many settlements in the West Bank. Most probable scenario is that Egypt will have to take Gaza as a province and West bank will end up as a province of Israel. Not happening in this decade, but by 2075, this will be a reality.
>>2269174lol you are deranged
zionists lost influence? Zionists are stronger than ever.
>The electronic intifada? How many divisions?
>>2269208B-b-but the OPTICS tho!
All those Zionists are never going to live THIS down. Oh no! We got them.
>>2268540Xi looks glorious in that second pic
That white suit is giving vibes of Stalin in the WW2 victory celebration parade
Iran is ready to sign a nuclear deal with certain conditions with President Donald Trump in exchange for lifting economic sanctions, a top adviser to Iranβs supreme leader told NBC News on Wednesday.
>He said Iran would commit to never making nuclear weapons, getting rid of its stockpiles of highly enriched uranium which can be weaponized, agree to only enrich uranium to the lower levels needed for civilian use, and allow international inspectors to supervise the process, in exchange for the immediate lifting of all economic sanctions on Iran.
<Asked if Iran would agree to sign an agreement today if those conditions were met, Shamkhani said, βYes.β
>βItβs still possible. If the Americans act as they say, for sure we can have better relations,β Shamkhani said, adding, βit can lead to a better situation in the near future.β https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/iran-enriched-uranium-nuclear-deal-trump-rcna206833I liked this essay about Douglas Murray.
>On Democracies and Death Cults reached number 1 on the Sunday Times bestseller list. It got the second spot on the New York Timesβ. Fourth on Amazon. A lot of people are buying and reading this thing. But who? And why? This is a genuine question. I truly canβt imagine the kind of creature that would want to read this thing. Who needs to be told that their own side is composed of faultless angels who have never done anything wrong in their lives, while their enemies are all bubbling in a black ooze out of the deepest chasms of Hell? How much love are you lacking in your personal life, that you need to be sucked off through the pages of a trade nonfiction hardback?
>I do actually agree with Douglas Murray that there is such a thing as evil in the world. Where we disagree is that I think there is a germ of evil buried inside all of us, and most of the time that germ is something perfectly mundane. Georges Ruggiu [a Belgian immigrant to Rwanda who became a propagandist for Hutu Power] just wanted to be respected: that desire is not evil in itself, but it can make you do evil things. (Thereβs evil in me as well. Iβm no stranger to the pleasure of hating; Iβm doing it right now.) I think the sadism and cruelty of October 7thβand the far greater sadism and cruelty Israel has displayed sinceβhave their origins in entirely ordinary human frailties, the petty self-deceptions and insecurities that churn away inside everyoneβs mind basically all the time. But according to Murray, people like me have been deluded in our βsearch for endless subtlety and limitless understanding,β which is why weβre βmissing out on one of the greatest divides of all.β Instead of trying to understand anything, we should just accept that morality works in basically the same way that it does on Power Rangers. There are goodies and baddies. Sorry, but this is not serious. HarperCollins might as well have published a book about how when it rains, thatβs God crying. To see a 46-year-old man speaking in this childish register produces a genuine shudder. The horror of the man-child, the pervert or imbecile who never managed to grow up. The political equivalent of an adult baby diaper fetishist.
>But I donβt think Murray really believes in this infantile moral universe heβs conjured. Thatβs for his readers. He is secretly on the side of the death cults.
>The official story is that Murray likes Israel and Israelis because they embody the same liberal values as the West. But thatβs not it at all. In fact, he thinks Israel is better than the West. He keeps going into raptures over how much more mature and well-developed Israeli teenagers are than their peers in America and Europe. He meets a group of IDF conscripts, and discovers that theyβre nineteen years old. βIt nearly floored me. These girls were the same age as a student going to college in America or Britain. They were the same age as people in the West who are treated likeβand act likeβchildren. But these Israelis were not children. They were young women. And soldiers at that.β (Big talk from a man whoβs just spent a hundred pages whimpering for his lollipop, but I digress.) What, at root, is the difference between these Israeli Γberfrauen and the ungrateful toddlers of London and New York? βYoung Israelis do not have the luxury of deciding whether they like war or develop grand ideas such as βwar doesnβt solve anything.ββ Heβs not wrong! If youβre a young, non-Haredi Israeli Jew and you decide that your moral convictions forbid you to join the army, the state can arrest you and send you to prison. Older Israelis donβt have that luxury either; theyβre routinely arrested for criticising the army or mourning its victims. I think I prefer the decadent West.
>But Murrayβs hatred of the West and our liberal-democratic values doesnβt end there. He writes that after spending time in Israel, home started to feel like a strange place. βWhenever I made brief trips back to America or Britain, I kept noticing the way these societies far from the front lines seemed to have been driven mad by war. In Britain the euthanasia debate had come round again, and the same moral issues were being rehearsed again. Is this really the highest moment of human achievement and peace, I wondered. To decide when you might kill an old person? In all this time, the place that felt least out of joint was Israel.β Iβm not sure how this counts as being βdriven mad by war,β but what he says is true: the debate over assisted dying has been a significant one in Britain. Itβs one Iβm interested in, because Iβve been on both sides in quick succession. I thought I was implacably against until earlier this year, when I had to watch my mother slowly dying in a hospital ward, and learned first-hand what unassisted dying really means. Maybe one day Iβll write about it. But Murray has no time for our democratic attempts to balance the values of life and dignity in the difficult spaces where they conflict. He prefers Israel, where they donβt argue about that sort of thing at all, and public debate involves people who say stuff like βDeath to the Arabsβ and βGaza must be made uninhabitableβ and βBlot out the tribe of Amalek.β Ah! Sanity!
>Clearly, what Murray really likes about Israel is its proximity to war. In his introduction, he writes that βperhaps the only force in the world even greater than evil itself is the great, collected, concentrated evil that is war.β This is literally meaningless dreck. An example of a thing canβt be greater than the thing itself. βPerhaps the only lunch more satisfying than a sandwich is the great, meaty sandwich we call hamburgers.β Murray has to talk like this because heβs trying to worm his way out of a contradiction: he knows heβs supposed to denounce war in general terms, but actually heβs not against it. His problem with Europe is that itβs no longer a martial civilisation; itβs βentered a postreligious era in which the very idea of fighting, killing, or dying for your faith is anathema.β America, meanwhile, has βfriendly countries to its north and south and ocean everywhere else.β But Israel is a different matter. Israel is the giddy frontier, locked in a permanent demographic hyperwar against its own population, an endless struggle to kill and repress and subdue. Out of that constant struggle, you get a fierce, disciplined society. Just not a very democratic one. He likes Israel because itβs one of his death cults. I donβt think heβs ignorant about the massacres, the rape camps, the deliberate targeting of journalists. He knows, even if he pretends not to, that what Israel is carrying out in Gaza is a genocide. All the moralistic drivel in his book, the big toddlerβs tantrum over goodies and baddies, is a very flimsy disguise for the pleasures of evil.
>I donβt know why Douglas Murray is like this. Maybe it was tough being gay at Eton, maybe the other boys made him feel like less of a man, maybe thatβs why heβs always hanging out just around the corner from the front lines, with his flak jacket and his serious face on. Itβs usually something similarly tedious, but Iβm not his analyst. All I can say with certainty is that whatever it is, itβs failed. Listen, Douglasβcan I call you Doug?βlisten, Doug, these Israeli friends of yours, these fat-fingered pig-eyed Israeli thugs you worship so much: they do not respect you. Theyβll invite you for dinner and theyβll give you awards, theyβll let you pose for photos in the ruins they made, but they are laughing at you. You can play dress-up all you like; your body armour doesnβt fool them. Theyβre happy to let you debase your own name by attaching it to whatever lies they feel like spinning today, but they know very well that you are debasing yourself. No one respects a suck-up, Doug. No one respects a toady.https://samkriss.substack.com/p/douglas-murray-gruesome-toadylmao Ben Gvir did the meme
>According to police, βriotersβ surrounded Ben Gvirβs car in the ultra-Orthodox Ramat Bet Shemesh Bet neighborhood, attempting to damage his vehicle and injuring the ministerβs wife, βcompelling officers to use force to repelβ the attackers.
>In a statement, Ben Gvir says that he and his wife came under attack by members of the extreme anti-Zionist Neturei Karta sect after they parked in the Haredi neighborhood and called the police to report Palestinian flags painted on the side of a building.
>According to Ben Gvirβs spokesperson, the extremists screamed anti-enlistment slogans and tried to attack the minister, whom they called a βZionistβ and βmurderer,β when his wife Ayala was βviolently attacked by a Neturei Karta activist who slapped herβ β prompting the minister to pledge that βthe police will enforce the law here too.β
>βAyala defended herself and slapped her back,β the spokesman states, adding that police used βstun grenades, batons and other means to take control of the extremist Neturei Karta who were waving PLO flags.β
>>2270338why the antisemitism?
The jew hatred really puts me off in these pro-pali spaces
>>2270343Israel is an Ashkenazi-Mizra
hi etnoesthate, suported by baptists, protestants and mainly by jews in USA and europe
>>2270358>anti zionist jewsIsraelis. I can't think of an anti-zionist Jewish organization outside of Israel who's case has anything to do with joining the IDF (obviously) or make a point about the "Messiah" being the one to genocide Palestinians.
>hate zionists not becouse of the genocide but rather they dont want to join the IDF and on top of that they want the Messiah to come and genocide the palestinians himselfI honestly have less of an issue with this, only because most Abrahamic faiths conclude with the messiah/prophet/God coming to earth and killing off and/or damning most of the population, with the chosen few being permitted to live/rule in the Millennium Kingdom (Christians), Jannah (Muslims), or the Messianic Age (Jews).
>>2270406they are oportunists
>>2270406they still want the genocide AKA "herem" to happen but they want god to tell them first to carry on
>>2270426Yeah. Well, some ultra-Orthodox Jews. Basically, Zionism is seen as a secular project because the Messiah hasn't arrived yet, so that will make God angry with them, according to…. Tractate Ketubot 111 in the Talmud… but when the Messiah comes it'll be okay and more than that the newly resurrected Jews will burst out of the ground in Jerusalem like a xenomorph bursting out of someone's chest in an Alien movie. I know, the Messianic era will be great.
Also one reason for them not wanting to enlist in the military is because the men have to serve alongside women and that's immodest.
>>2270700I DID SERIOUS TALMUDIC RESEARCH ON THIS
This isn't easy you know. It literally says "the righteous will burst forth and arise in Jerusalem, as it is stated" wearing clothes and all, like grains of wheat emerging from the ground from its seed.
Also the dead Jews outside the land of Israel will travel there in tunnels when the Messiah comes, so I'm assuming they'll also burst out of the ground but take the hyperloop before getting there. BTW, if you don't ascend to the land of Israel (for whatever reason, I'm not getting that deep into the specifics) then make sure not to sit too much because you'll get hemorrhoids, but don't stand too much because you'll develop heart problems, and don't walk too much because you might go blind; so it's best to divide your time between 1/3 walking, 1/3 sitting, and 1/3 standing. Or find something to lean on when standing.
There's also a debate between rabbis about whether the uneducated chud Jews will come back. One rabbi thinks not, but another one was like WTF bro God doesn't like you talking about other Jews that way but idol worship is a dumb thing, so don't do that.
But there's other stuff about how if you're in Babylonia you should keep your ass there because that exile is imposed by divine decree, so permission to leave for the land of Israel needs God's permission. But it might be okay to go there as an individual, little by little, just not en masse all at once, but there's apparently disagreement about this.
>>2270902And yet they do still trade and officially support (liberal) Zionism and do not boycott Israel. The thing to keep in mind about Spanish politics is that, while less dramatic and brainrotted than US circus, absolutely nobody here believes any word they say. From Podemos to Vox, every single one of them is a happy careerist liberal concerned with little more than keeping their share of the loot.
https://thecradle.co/articles-id/29017https://www.presstv.ir/Detail/2025/04/26/746858/Spain-granted-46-contracts-Israeli-military-firms-since-Gaza-war-beganAnd no, they have cancelled a few contracts worth a few million in "bullets" while leaving the most of it untouched. And its still pointless, because we are just not big suppliers anyway just stepping stones in a chain of supply.
And PSOE and Sanchez still support a "two state solution" proudly affirm that "Israel has the right to defend itself" condemn Hamas and all Palestinian resistance and you name it.
The Issue is Sanchez's being raked over the media now for a series of scandals regarding his wife and corruption and so on. So he wants exposure for being "progressive". The righto ids are having much of the same. It's all very liberals in decay court drama where things fall apart while they loot and auction off the commons and the media keeps reporting like it is a literal reality show between a couple of visible politicians.
Actors Joaquin Phoenix, Pedro Pascal, Riz Ahmed and director Guillermo del Toro have added their names to a letter condemning the film industryβs silence on what it called βgenocideβ in Gaza, the organizers confirmed Friday.
The petition, signed by more than 370 actors and filmmakers, also denounced Israelβs killing of Fatima Hassouna, the young Gaza photojournalist featured in the documentary βPut Your Soul in Your Hand and Walk,β which premiered at the Cannes Film Festival on Thursday.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/more-hollywood-stars-join-protest-letter-over-gaza-genocide/Israel and the new Syrian regime have recently held direct talks, according to an Israeli source familiar with the matter β an indication of shifting dynamics between the former enemies as Israel expands its military presence in the country.
The talks were held in Azerbaijan and were attended by the chief of the Israeli militaryβs Operations Directorate, Maj. Gen. Oded Basyuk, the source said, adding that Basyuk met with Syrian government representatives in the presence of Turkish officials.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/05/16/middleeast/israeli-syrian-official-hold-rare-direct-talks-intlLuxembourg joined six European countries on Friday that issued a joint statement earlier in May expressing "grave concern" and opposition to the planned IDF military operations in the Gaza Strip.
The other countries are Iceland, Ireland, Malta, Norway, Slovenia, and Spain.
This would mean crossing yet another line, marking a dangerous new escalation and jeopardizing any prospects of a viable two-state solution," the statement read.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-854278Media reports said Israeli cabinet members had agreed to slap new restrictions on the distribution of humanitarian aid and food supplies to Palestinians in the besieged Gaza Strip, including mandatory facial recognition.
βPalestinians would be coming to these places, registered and screened through facial recognition technology. Theyβd pick up parcels for their family,β news outlets NPR reported, citing an Israeli official, Press TV reported.
βItβs actually part of a bigger strategy to get Palestinian civilians to move en masse to a smaller, more consolidated area of Gaza so that the military can expand the territory that itβs taking over in Gaza,β added the report.
https://en.mehrnews.com/news/231883/Israel-turns-to-facial-recognition-to-limit-Palestinian-aidGaza children are sent back to war zone following medical care after Jordan rejects requests to stay
Seventeen Palestinian children and their caregivers were recently sent back to Gaza after receiving medical treatment in Jordan
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/05/16/jordan-gaza-sick-children-israel-hamas-war/29aa2fb2-325d-11f0-8498-1f8214bba2d2_story.htmlNYU withholds diploma of graduation speaker who condemned Gaza βatrocitiesβ
The university said it is pursuing disciplinary action over Logan Rozosβs speech, which condemned βgenocideβ in Gaza and U.S. βcomplicity in this genocide.β
https://www.washingtonpost.com/education/2025/05/16/logan-rozos-nyu-commencement-palestine-speech/>>2271540Israel won
we must learn to be adults and accept this without screeching 'Mossad and CIA'
Senior security official reveals framework for Syria-Israel peace
Damascus] Syria is reportedly in secret negotiations with Israel, with the aim of joining the Abraham Accords, according to multiple media reports and sources familiar with the matter. The talksβmediated by Arab and international actorsβsignal a potential breakthrough in the regionβs political landscape. Syrian President Ahmed al-Sharaa is said to have approved a preliminary agreement, a dramatic shift in policy that could reshape Damascusβ long-standing posture toward Israel.
The Media Line has obtained details from sources describing a tentative agreement approved by al-Sharaa, who is increasingly seen as a rising figure in Syriaβs evolving political structure.
According to these sources, al-Sharaa has expressed readiness to adopt the core tenets of the Abraham Accords: mutual recognition of sovereignty, full diplomatic relations, an end to hostilities, and collaboration across economic, cultural, and security sectors.
Al-Sharaa reportedly defended the initiative as a response to βaccelerating regional developmentsβ and βa desire to break out of isolation and open up to a new era of peace and development.β
Leaked documents outline the proposed framework, which includes the following elements
1.Mutual recognition of sovereignty, including Israelβs, under international law
2.Establishment of formal diplomatic relations, with ambassadorial exchanges and embassies in each capital
3.A formal end to hostilities, and a commitment to resolve disputes through dialogue
4.Economic cooperation focused on technology, energy, and agriculture
5.Security coordination against shared threats, particularly terrorism and extremism
6.Direct civilian flight routes to facilitate tourism and mobility
7.Grassroots and cultural exchanges to encourage coexistence and mutual understanding
8.Support for regional peace initiatives without political conditions on local actors
9.Promotion of interfaith dialogue among Judaism, Christianity, and Islam
10.Commitment to international law and the United Nations Charter as the basis of foreign relations
https://www.ynetnews.com/article/rjmw36ezleThe IDF says it has launched the first stages of its major offensive in the Gaza Strip, dubbed βGideonβs Chariots.β
βOver the past day, the IDF launched extensive attacks and mobilized forces to seize strategic areas in the Gaza Strip, as part of the opening moves of Operation Gideonβs Chariots and the expansion of the campaign in Gaza, to achieve all the goals of the war in Gaza, including the release of the hostages and the defeat of Hamas,β the military says in a statement.
βIDF troops in the Southern Command will continue to operate to protect Israeli citizens and realize the goals of the war,β the military adds.
According to Israeli officials, the Gideonβs Chariots offensive would see the IDF βconqueringβ Gaza and retaining the territory; moving the Palestinian civilian population toward the south of the Strip; attacking Hamas; and preventing the terror group from taking control of humanitarian aid supplies.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/idf-says-it-has-launched-first-stages-of-new-major-gaza-offensive-dubbed-gideons-chariots/How are they actually going to defeat Hamas though? If they want to completely destroy Palestinian resistance they will have to pay with many many lives. You can't secure territory with airstrikes alone, and if you are attacking tunnels you will lose many soldiers, which will add to the internal settler hate for their government (because they perceive it as not maintaining their safety and international legitimacy, which is important for a $ettler state). I don't think they will win this.
>>2271139I'm not Sage I'm afraid, I haven't seen him post here for like over a year. Also I am too stupid to use matrix.
>>2270885I'm too fedora-pilled to resist making fun of ancient religions. It's only historical inertia that people take these religions more seriously than basing your life philosophy around The Matrix movies. (Which is more modern and advanced tbqh)
>>2271035>>2271527This "rift" between the U.S. and Israel was kayfabe. It did help the U.S. get its last hostage out of Gaza. I'm assuming Hamas knew that this was the most likely outcome, but figured they had to do a risk play to see if something would come out of it rather than the guy just getting blown up in an Israeli air strike eventually anyways.
>>2271623I don't know either. There has been volumes written about armies losing to guerrillas because they fail to win "hearts and minds" of the civilian population. The Israeli approach from everything I can tell is to just wage warfare on the civilian population.
Syria plans to print a newly-designed currency in the UAE and Germany instead of Russia, three sources said, reflecting rapidly improving ties with Gulf Arab and Western states as a move to loosen U.S. sanctions offers Damascus new opportunities.
In another sign of deepening ties between Syria's new rulers and the UAE, Damascus on Thursday signed an $800 million initial deal with the UAE's DP World to develop Tartus port - the first such deal since President Donald Trump's surprise announcement on Tuesday that U.S. sanctions on Syria would be lifted.
https://www.newarab.com/news/syria-set-print-currency-uae-and-germany-ends-russia-role>>2271679The World Bank says it will restart operations in Syria following a 14-year pause after the country cleared more than $15m of debt with financial backing from Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
The United States-based institution announced on Friday that Syria no longer has outstanding obligations to the International Development Association (IDA), its fund dedicated to low-income countries.
Earlier this week, Saudi Arabia and Qatar paid off Syriaβs outstanding debts of approximately $15.5m, paving the way for renewed engagement with international financial bodies.
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/economy/2025/5/16/world-bank-says-syria-eligible-for-new-loans-after-debts-cleared >>2271689The funniest thing is that apart from online stuff, actual rightoid political organizations tend to support Israel. And by their own conflation of Zionism with Jewishness, they end up judeophilic. Despite the casual fascism that cannot help but pull antisemitism alongside the rest of the last century larp.
<How the Israel lobby fueled the rise of Britainβs top anti-Muslim chaos agenthttps://thegrayzone.com/2024/10/25/israel-lobby-britains-anti-muslim-chaos-agent/The author (David Miller) is a good follow on antizionism btw. He's currently on a legal battle over the right of Bristol's university to fire him for antizionism.
https://xcancel.com/Tracking_Power >>2271748 (me)
If you follow what Miller is outlining, the Zionist lobby has been co-opting the right and redirecting the antisemitic legacy of european fascism into islamophobia, white ("western") nationalism and generally mindfucking the rightoids to become unwitting judeophiles.
TIRANA, May 16 (Reuters) - French President Emmanuel Macron reaffirmed on Friday that the humanitarian crisis in Gaza was unacceptable, and said he hoped to discuss the matter soon with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and U.S. President Donald Trump.
"The humanitarian situation in Gaza is intolerable," Macron told reporters, as he attended a meeting of European leaders in Albania.
"We are reaching a level that we have never seen before, in terms of the humanitarian impact, since the beginning of this," said Macron.
Macron said the priority was on getting a ceasefire in the fighting between Israel and Hamas, and restoring access to humanitarian aid.
"I will have the opportunity to speak about this with Prime Minister Netanyahu and I have also raised the matter with President Trump," he said.
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/frances-macron-gaza-conditions-are-intolerable-hopes-discuss-it-with-netanyahu-2025-05-16/United Nations aid chief Tom Fletcher on Friday said time should not be wasted on an alternative US-backed proposal to deliver aid to Gaza, saying the UN has a proven plan and 160,000 pallets of relief ready to enter the Palestinian enclave now.
"To those proposing an alternative modality for aid distribution, let's not waste time. We already have a plan," he said in a statement as Israel blocked the delivery of humanitarian aid to Gaza for the 75th day in a row.
https://www.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-854289>>2271748David Millerr regularly speaks at events and Demos at my local palestine solidarity org. He's a very good speaker and doesn't temper his words with what he says.
It's heartening to see so many people resistance pilled.
>>2271748>He's currently on a legal battle over the right of Bristol's university to fire him for antizionism.He won his employment tribunal end of last year for wrongful dismissal.
Also the court said anti-Zionism is a protected characteristic under the Equality Act.
Hamas Says Witkoff Personally Promised to Lift Gaza Blockade in Exchange for Edan Alexander
The U.S. immediately broke the deal, senior Hamas official Basem Naim tells Drop Site. βThey threw it in the trashβ and there has been βzeroβ progress on a Gaza ceasefire.
A senior Hamas official told Drop Site that the group received a direct commitment from Donald Trumpβs special envoy, Steve Witkoff, that two days after the release of U.S. citizen and Israeli soldier Edan Alexander, the Trump administration would compel Israel to lift the Gaza blockade and allow humanitarian aid to enter the territory. Witkoff, according to the official, also promised that Trump would make a public call for an immediate ceasefire in Gaza and for negotiations aimed at achieving a βpermanent ceasefire.β
βHe did nothing of this,β Naim added. βThey didn't violate the deal. They threw it in the trash.β
https://www.dropsitenews.com/p/witkoff-hamas-trump-deal-edan-alexander-lift-blockade-israelThere was a big thread about results on Eurovision reddit with over 400 comments in under 10 minutes of how rigged for Israel
Mods removed it
https://www.reddit.com/r/eurovision/comments/1kp5rue/political_votes_still_a_thing/>>2272808RESOLUTELY FIGHT THE ZIONIST ON THE EURROVISIONIST FRONT
IN THE FINAL ANALYSIS βοΈ THE PARTY OF GOD WILL BE VICTORIOUS
BIJI BIJI FALASTINA
>>2272845>>2272853>>2272808>>2272768this isn't a victory for israel, there's only two ways this happens:
>it's rigged: they either faked the voting or accepted brigaded votes without question>all of the normies have tuned out and their entire audience and voting public are zionistseither way eurovision is finished, every time the org lets this happen it gets easier to pressure artists to boycott.
>>2272845that dutch prime minister is a retarded clown, and the dutch is responsible for this shitshow, thankfully this will be rectified
also hispanobros, and frenchbros, it is the time to push for spexit and frexit, the EU is unequivocally nothing but a neoliberal project disregarding political integration of europe, it is unequivocally authoritarian and pro israeli also, the best way is to leave the EU and left wing parties should push for article 50
>>2272739>Well at least ONE country is slowly waking up years into a full on genocide.No, if the Trump-shuns-Israel psyop and gulf tour didn't clue you in, it's time for the wrap up. So now the "progressives" are smuggling their liberal zionism in, to be recognized alongside their Israeli counterparts, as the good guys. Have no doubt that all these genocider governments who have been , like Spain, literally arming Israel to do the deed, will vote for a "two state solution".
It's all theater.
>>2273211 (You) (me)
Correction:
The talk is all theater. The unflinching material support for Israel, Zionism and US imperialism is, in contrast, very much real.
>>2272827lmao the Zionists brigaded the Eurovision voot again
>>2272859if the Zionist entity won the voot, the next years contest will have to be held there
>>2272874RETARDED 'LEFTISTS' CANNOT UNDERSTAND THAT THE NUMBER 1 PRIORITY FOR ANY SOCIALIST/COMMUNIST TODAY MUST BE TO EXIT THE EU AND NATO
NOTHING 'LEFT' CAN EXIST UNDER THESE 2 FASCIST ORGANISATIONS
>>2276877Ok, since you're reading about this leak means US does not approve, which… reduces chance of it happening.
You could speculate it's a threat to Iran by US, but that's inconsistent with Trump being a retard without the brains to do that.
holy fuck lmao how does this even happen
>Israeli soldiers mistakenly fired warning shots at diplomats representing the European Union, UK, France, China, Russia and other countries on Wednesday.
>βIDF soldiers operating in the area fired warning shots to distance them away,β the IDF said in a statement. βThe IDF regrets the inconvenience caused.β
>The Palestinian Authority, which governs Palestinians in the West Bank, condemned the IDF, saying it βdeliberately targeted by live fire an accredited diplomatic delegation.β
>The PA said the diplomats represented the EU, Portugal, Morocco, Brazil, Austria, Japan, Canada, India, Poland, Russia, Turkey, Romania, France, the UK, Mexico, China, Egypt and Jordan.https://archive.ph/dE7wjEU top diplomat urges Israel to probe shots meant to warn off diplomats; official says IDF apology insufficient
>Kaja Kallas: βWe definitely call on Israel to investigate this incident and also hold those accountable who are responsible for this,β says Kallas when asked about the matter at an EU-African Union press conference. βAny threats on diplomatsβ lives are unacceptable. Israel is also a signatory to the Vienna Convention β the obligation to guarantee the security of all foreign diplomats,β she adds.
>A Western diplomatic official whose country was represented in the delegation calls the event βa serious incident to which we will react.β βThis is not an βinconvenience,ββ says the official, responding to the IDF-issued apology following the event, in which the military said it βregrets the inconvenience causedβ to the foreign diplomats. βIt is a serious incident to which we will react appropriately, following consultations with our partners,β says the official.
Italy France and Spain summon Israeli diplomats. Germany, Turkey Egypt condemn warning shots
>French Foreign Minister Jean-Noel Barrot calls the warning shots βunacceptableβ and says the envoy will be called in βto offer an explanation.β He adds that one French diplomat was part of the visiting delegation. Italy earlier said it would summon Israelβs envoy over the incident.
>βFaced with the intolerable shooting by the Israeli army during the visit of Spanish, EU and other countriesβ diplomats, we are summoning the head of Israelβs embassy in Madrid,β Foreign Minister Jose Manuel Albares writes on X.
>Berlin also βstronglyβ condemns the incident, with a foreign ministry spokeswoman urging Israel to βpromptly investigate the circumstancesβ and adding that Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul will raise the issue of the βunprovoked shootingβ with his Israeli counterpart, Gideon Saβar.
>>2277641>we should ask him to do the next AMA hereI was thinking just this last night after reading through Dickblast's AMA, he'd be the best, I could see him engaging us on our retarded level
and enjoying it.Imagine if he started posting here after, the level of discourse
, and let's be honest shitposting, would go up a gorillion % in quality.
>>2278346OH FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK
THE SHOOTER IS ONE OF US.
>>2278349>one of uslet's not be too hasty. Even if it was
or even a false flag, I think we can predict what's going to happen next: more state repression of pro-palestinian activists.
In the mean time, to American anons, practice op-sec and prepare to defend yourselves. No doubt ICE agents may come-a-knockin'.
>>2278356PSL is too chickenshit to pull off something like this.
>>2278361Any word on the motive?
>>2278364Not buying this was a false flag.
>>2278349false flag attack by ziorats to crack down even harder on pro-plaestinians in the USA.
Non-violent and peaceful pro-palstinians would never do this.
>>2273802This should be expanded:
<Microsoft's ICC email block triggers Dutch concerns over dependence on U.S. techhttps://nltimes.nl/2025/05/20/microsofts-icc-email-block-triggers-dutch-concerns-dependence-us-tech>Microsoftβs recent decision to block access to the email account of International Criminal Court (ICC) Chief Prosecutor Karim Khan is raising urgent questions in the Netherlands about the countryβs deep reliance on American technology companies, de Volkskrant reports. The move followed U.S. President Donald Trumpβs sanctions against the ICCβan escalation triggered by arrest warrants targeting, among others, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.Khan can always use @yandex.com addresses
:^)
>>2278535>screenshot no linktroglodyte. go back to 4chins and twitter and stay tehre.
Explication
May 20, 2025
Halintar is a word that means something like thunder or lightning. In the wake of an act people look for a text to fix its meaning, so here's an attempt. The atrocities committed by Israelis against Palestine defy description and defy quantification. Instead of reading descriptions mostly we watch them unfold on video, sometimes live. After a few months of rapidly mounting death tolls Israel had obliterated the capacity to even continue counting the dead, which has served its genocide well. At time of writing the Gaza health ministry records 53,000 killed by traumatic force, at least ten thousand lie under rubble, and who knows how many thousands more dead of preventable disease, hunger, with tens of thousands now at risk of imminent famine due to Israeli blockade, all enabled by Western and Arab government complicity. The Gaza information office includes the ten thousand under the rubble with the dead in their own count. In news reports there have been those "ten thousand" under the rubble for months now, despite the continual making of more rubble and repeated bombing of rubble again and again and the bombing of tents amid the rubble. Like the Yemen death toll which had been frozen at some few thousand for years under Saudi-UK-US bombardment before being belatedly revealed to stand at 500k dead, all of these figures are almost surely a criminal undercount. I have no trouble believing the estimates that put the toll at 100,000 or more. More have been murdered since March of this year than in "Protective Edge" and "Cast Lead" put together. What more at this point can one say about the proportion of mangled and burned and exploded human beings whom were children. We who let this happen will never deserve the Palestinians' forgiveness. They've let us know as much.
An armed action is not necessarily a military action. It usually is not. Usually it is theater and spectacle, a quality it shares with many unarmed actions. Nonviolent protest in the opening weeks of the genocide seemed to signal some sort of turning point. Never before had so many tens of thousands joined the Palestinians in the streets across the West. Never before had so many American politicians been forced to concede that, rhetorically at least, the Palestinians were human beings, too. But thus far the rhetoric has not amounted to much. The Israelis themselves boast about their own shock at the free hand the Americans have given them to exterminate the Palestinians. Public opinion has shifted against the genocidal apartheid state, and the American government has simply shrugged, they'll do without public opinion then, criminalize it where they can, suffocate it with bland reassurances that they're doing all they can to restrain Israel where it cannot criminalize protest outright. Aaron Bushnell and others sacrificed themselves in the hopes of stopping the massacre and the state works to make us feel their sacrifice was made in vain, that there is no hope in escalating for Gaza and no point in bringing the war home. We can't let them succeed. Their sacrifices were not made in vain.
The impunity that representatives of our government feel at abetting this slaughter should be revealed as an illusion, then. The impunity we see is the worst for those of us in immediate proximity to the genocidaires. A surgeon who treated victims of the Mayan genocide by the Guatemalan state recounts an instance in which he was operating on a patient who'd been critically injured during a massacre when, suddenly, armed gunmen entered the room and shot the patient to death on his operating table, laughing as they killed him. The physician said the worst part was seeing the killers, well known to him, openly swagger down local streets in the years after.
Elsewhere a man of conscience once attempted to throw Robert McNamara off a Martha's Vineyard-bound ferry into the sea, incensed at the same impunity and arrogance he saw in that butcher of Vietnam as he sat in the ferry's lounge laughing with friends. The man took issue with McNamara's "very posture, telling you, 'My history is fine, and I can be slumped over a bar like this with my good friend Ralph here and you'll have to lump it.'" The man did not succeed in heaving McNamara off a catwalk into the water, the former secretary of state managed to cling to the railing and clamber back to his feet, but the assailant explicated the value of the attempt by saying "Well, I got him outside, just the two of us, and suddenly his history wasn't so fine, was it?"
A word about the morality of armed demonstration. Those of us against the genocide take satisfaction in arguing that the perpetrators and abettors have forfeited their humanity. I sympathize with this viewpoint and understand its value in soothing the psyche which cannot bear to accept the atrocities it witnesses, even mediated through the screen. But inhumanity has long since shown itself to be shockingly common, mundane, prosaically human. A perpetrator may then be a loving parent, a filial child, a generous and charitable friend, an amiable stranger, capable of moral strength at times when it suits him and sometimes even when it does not, and yet be a monster all the same. Humanity doesn't exempt one from accountability. The action would have been morally justified taken 11 years ago during Protective Edge, around the time I personally became acutely aware of our brutal conduct in Palestine. But I think to most Americans such an action would have been illegible, would seem insane. I am glad that today at least there are many Americans for which the action will be highly legible and, in some funny way, the only sane thing to do.
I love you Mom, Dad, baby sis, the rest of my familia, including you, O
*Free Palestine
>>2278349>>2278563If he's gonna be this fucking open about it, why the fuck did he would he target literal nobodies man, especially if he's in DC. Like, fucking embassy staffers? Really?
I'm not one to fedjacket everything but come on.
>>2278704'regular people' don't exist brainlet because there's no normal distribution of essential characteristics of the members of society
get this through your thick head idealist scum
>>2278716>isn't gonna be staffing themselves with literal nobodieshave you ever been inside an embassy? most are low-level government clerks
your average embassy is no different from your local town administration
>>2278716You can still be a dedicated zionist working in service of their government who gets a half-chub whenever footage of mangled palestinian children ends up on their feeds and also be a pencil pusher with no real influence.
I'm saying if someone were to do something this open, this ideologically driven, have a manifesto prepared, why go after some desk jockey staffer? If you're planning to enact direct action against a genocide state, to the limit of your ability living in the imperial core, why go after the assistant. Sure, he as ideologically abhorrent as any of the are, I'm not fucking crying any tears for this guy, especially looking at what and how he posts online, but what harm could be done by murking a fucking clerk? Like, You'd think they'd want to go after someone with a wikipedia page at least, especially in fucking D.C.
I mean fucking hell, fucking Ben Gvir was in New York not too long ago. Like, not even a month ago. This don't smell funny to you?
>>2278727>>2278728>The gunman, named by police as Elias Rodriguez, 30, of Chicago, approached a group of four people leaving an event at the Capital Jewish Museum and opened fire, killing Yaron Lischinsky and Sarah Milgrim.
>Metropolitan police chief Pamela Smith said the shooter had been pacing outside the museum, which is steps away from the FBIβs field office, before the shooting.
>After killing the pair, who officials said were a couple, he walked inside, where event security detained him. The suspect yelled: βFree, free Palestine,β after he was arrested, police said.He killed in them in the open, undisguised, had a manifesto prepared, stayed not only stayed close to the scene, but went INSIDE the event, and yelled out free palestine. All this pageantry to kill a couple fucking staffers?
Assuming it's not a fed, this reads as gross incompetence on this guy's part. To have supposedly prepared all this, just for him to either not have a real target skulk around the entrance and kill the first identifiable people out of the event venue, or actually prepare all this only to target a couple of nobodies, whose death would do little to no harm to the entity. I don't think people who venture into adventurism are the smartest, but surely they're not this retarded?
>>2278705βregular peopleβ is to reference the broad masses whose labor sustains society
>thick head idealist scumWhile you are projecting abstract categories like "essential characteristics"
>>2278563At least he shot the right people, but he'll be just another schizo judged and possibly executed and later rehabilitated by liberal zionists.There is no antizionist platform in the USA or the west at large and no amount of propaganda of the deed is gonna change that. And not even propaganda of the deed, themselves are framing this as an individualist schizo struggle that literally everyone else would find unrelatable. No organization to claim it, no promise of more besides wishcasting more schizos like themselves would lose it.
And this is now at the height of the final solution for Gaza, in 5 years nobody will even care it happened beyond ticking the "Free Palestine" box in their social fascist org of choice advocating for total war on the periphery to defend "human rights".
You could have infinitely more impact organizing direct action against the economic incentives of the zionist entity or the west at large.
>>2278780>If a Soviet partisanWho does this person represent? Nobody. Hypothetical individualist schizos willing to throw their lives away in the middle of a mediatic blitz.
Remove the media blitz and his kind simply doesn't exist. No org is backing this.
>>2278563This is pretty classic ultra-leftism. Frustration with radical rhetoric that doesn't seem to be influencing the ruling class to change their ways (well, yeah).
>These liberal-ultraleftists think thatβs what moves the ruling class. Actually they come close to a correct theory when they say that if people start leaving the system the ruling class will respond. But they donβt believe that the masses can be won. They think it is enough for them to leave the system themselves, small groups of people carrying out direct confrontations.
>For example, let me quote a thing from the New York Times that illustrates how this type of idea develops. A girl from Kent, after the killings there, was asked what she thought could be done about Cambodia and what she thought about the use of violence. This was a person who is just radicalizing, a liberal, just beginning to oppose the war.
>She says, βIβm really dead set against violence. Thatβs also a copout. But itβs the only way to get the governmentβs attention. What youβre doing is drawing their attention to you, by using the same methods they use. Iβm really against that. Itβs horrible that the only way you can get people to listen is to have four kids killed. There was really no blow-up over Cambodia until four kids were killed. You can have all the peace marches that were peaceful and quiet, and everyone would pat you on the back and say βgood little kidsβ, but nobody would do anything.β
>Now, whatβs in her mind? She doesnβt see any independent, mass force thatβs standing in the way of the ruling class. Sheβs looking at the ruling class and asking, βAre we affecting them or not? Are they being responsive?β And if not, maybe the way to get them to pay attention is to go out and break some windows and use violence. Itβs a very natural conclusion when you donβt understand that thereβs a class struggle, a class relationship of forces.https://www.marxists.org/archive/camejo/1970/ultraleftismormassaction.htm >>2278951>>2279098I think the crackdown on socialist organizing can be done bureaucratically after formally denouncing the internal enemy in a red scare. There is no need to massively repress communists this time around because they won't be getting support from a foreign power. They just need obedient liberals to keep in charge. So for the moment, through migrants, antizionists and various plots (like the Trump "assasination" attempts and sporadic schizos) they are making the case for the internal enemy.
If something isn't on TV it doesn't exist. And the bipartisan culture war is already working hard to fill the awareness niche of "the commies" with garbage real and imagined.
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