The Kurds are the world’s largest stateless nation, spread across Turkey, Iraq, Syria, and Iran, with the majority in southeastern Turkey. Since the 1970s, the most influential independence movement has been Turkey’s PKK, founded by Abdullah Öcalan as a Marxist‑Leninist guerrilla group. The 1991 Gulf War saw Western powers carve out an autonomous Kurdish region in Iraq, using Kurdish aspirations to weaken Saddam Hussein—setting a precedent for fragmented “self‑rule.” Post–Soviet collapse and with Iraqi Kurdistan forging ties with Ankara over oil exports, the PKK abandoned armed struggle and Marxism‑Leninism.
In 2005, Öcalan embraced Murray Bookchin’s “ecological libertarian municipalism,” focusing on decentralized communes and environmental protection rather than class-based national liberation. This turn treats ecology as a substitute for the core Capital–Labor conflict and sidelines the broader Kurdish national question. It risks entrenching divisions between Kurds in Turkey, Syria, and Iraq, as oil‑rich Iraqi Kurds pursue state‑level leverage while others are steered toward small‑scale localism. Without a Marxist framework, communities lack the tools to counter state repression, plan economic development, or resist co-optation by Turkish authorities.
The PKK’s adoption of “eco‑municipalism” reflects both an ideological retreat from socialist class struggle and an example of how imperial powers exploit minority movements via “humanitarian” and environmental pretexts.
No wonder the movement collapsed.
>>2267530I had a tf2 MGE Hamas edit but I lost the video so I had to stop supporting.
If anyone can find it I will start supporting again
the video was like really cool music then russian tts
>Abdullah, they are afraid of you, ke ke ke ke and then it transitioned into this really cool montage. If anyone can find it I will probably get a PFLP, Hamas and Palestine flag and start LARPing again.
>>2267486TruthnukeIn the end Apo is following Gonzalo.
Peace for a comfy prison cell/freedom.
I hope they don't end up as the farc, hunted down for blood feuds
>>2267515why does the Kashmiri flag so ugly bruhhhh
it's got too much going on, the orange corner, the white and green stripes, the moon and star. They gotta remove some details and make it more neat
>>2267557oh that's the Pakistani Kashmir flag, never mind
I thought it was the flag proposal for an independent Kashmir
>>2267562I am not western you retard
I am an African living in an African country
Never been to your crackka countries and never will.
>>2267568I am the son of 2 workers, you crackka.
And where did I larp exactly?
>>2267570nope. Im in Southern Africa. I prefer not to give my exact location because retards like
>>2267568 think they know me better than myself
>>2267463>In 2005, Öcalan embraced Murray Bookchin’s “ecological libertarian municipalism,” focusing on decentralized communes and environmental protection rather than class-based national liberation. 1. The PKK and the Rojavans embrace class-based national liberation, and to act as if the ecological crisis isn't tied to class struggle is laughable.
>This turn treats ecology as a substitute for the core Capital–Labor conflict and sidelines the broader Kurdish national question.<Let me tell you about your ideology which I haven't read about
>It risks entrenching divisions between Kurds in Turkey, Syria, and Iraq, as oil‑rich Iraqi Kurds pursue state‑level leverage while others are steered toward small‑scale localism. The Iraqi kurds are literally at war with the PKK and the Rojavans. The fuck you mean?
>Without a Marxist framework, communities lack the tools to counter state repression, plan economic development, or resist co-optation by Turkish authorities.<Never mind that the PKK has talked about building a detente with the state and is reforming into a new org focused on building dual power with a socialist anti-capitalist economy in mind. leftypol actually reads challenge: impossible
https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/abdullah-ocalan-democratic-confederalismhttps://archive.org/details/abdullah-ocalan-beyond-state-power-and-violence/page/n9/mode/2up >>2267609bookchin cucks
'the anarchist library' dot com hahahahaha
fucking moron
>>2267618From your article
>The agreement, if implemented, would bring that territory under the full control of the Syrian central government.1. The PKK isn't the SDF/ Rojava. Grow up.
2. They haven't integrated into the HTS gov. The only thing they've agreed upon is a ceasefire.
3. They'll only
implement said agreement based on these provisions-
https://anfenglishmobile.com/rojava-syria/final-document-of-the-kurdish-unity-conference-in-rojava-79079
>The Conference on Kurdish Unity and Common Stance in Rojava, held in Qamishlo on Saturday, ended with the adoption of a comprehensive document containing numerous decisions. Over 400 delegates from various parts of Kurdistan and Syria took part in the conference, which aimed to strengthen Kurdish unity and establish common political positions.
>The unanimously adopted document contains key provisions on both the Syrian nation state and the Kurdish national entity:SYRIAN NATIONAL ARENA
<1. Syria is a multinational, multicultural, multi-religious state that guarantees the rights of all Syrian components, including Arabs, Kurds, Syriacs, Assyrians, Circassians, and Turkmen, as well as Alevis, Druze, Yazidis, and Christians, through constitutional and superconstitutional principles.
<2. The state should comply with international treaties and agreements, human rights, and the principle of equal citizenship.
<3. The Syrian system of government should be a bicameral parliamentary system that embraces political pluralism, the peaceful transfer of power, and the separation of powers. It should also be based on regional councils within the frame of a decentralized system.
<4. A decentralized Syria should include a fair distribution of power and wealth between the center and the regions.
<5. The name, flag, and national anthem of the state should reflect the national and cultural pluralism of Syrian society.
<6. The state's neutrality toward religions and beliefs, the right to practice religious rituals and worship, and the recognition of the Yazidi religion as an official religion of the state.
<7. A comprehensive national identity that takes into account the characteristics of different components should be adopted.
<8. Gender equality and gender representation in all institutions in Syria should be ensured.
<9. The children’s rights declared in agreements by the United Nations and Amnesty International should be protected, and care and support should be provided appropriate to the nature and age of children, taking into account their special needs in accordance with the characteristics of the regions where they live and the opportunities available in those regions.
<10. Existing administrative divisions should be reviewed, taking into account population density and geographical area.
<11. Looted and stolen Syrian historical artifacts and monuments within and outside the country should be returned.
<12. Demographic change in Kurdish regions and all regions of Syria should be prevented and stopped. Forcibly displaced persons, including the residents of Serêkaniyê, Girê Spî, and Efrîn, should be allowed to return safely to their homes.
<13. To formulate democratic principles and establish a government with full executive authority representing all Syrian factions and components, a constituent assembly comprising representatives of all Syrian components should be established under international supervision.
<14. The right to express oneself in one's mother tongue, the right to education, and the implementation of culture should be granted for all components.
<15. March 8 should be declared as Women's Day.KURDISH NATIONAL ARENA
<1. The unification of Kurdish regions under a federal Syrian umbrella as an integrated political and administrative unit.
<2. Recognition of the Kurdish people's national existence in Syria as an indigenous people. Ensuring their national rights, including the right to freely and equally exercise their political, cultural, and administrative rights, in accordance with international agreements and treaties, through constitutional guarantees.
<3. Honoring the sacrifices of the martyrs of the Syrian revolution, the Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), security forces, those who lost their lives in prisons, and those who died in the resistance against ISIS massacres, supporting their families, and guaranteeing their rights in accordance with legal regulations.
<4. Treating youngsters as an effective force in society, and ensuring their fair participation and representation in all state institutions.
<5. Recognizing Kurdish as an official language alongside Arabic in the constitution, and providing Kurdish education and learning.
<6. Establishing centers and departments related to the Kurdish language, historical heritage, and culture; opening media centers such as radio and television channels broadcasting in Kurdish; publishing books, magazines, and other publications; and establishing work and research centers.
<7. Ensuring the participation of Kurds in the legislative, judicial, executive, and security institutions of the state.
<8. Recognizing March 21 as Newroz, a national holiday, and March 12 as the Day of Remembrance of the Qamishlo Uprising.
<9. All exceptional policies, measures, and laws such as the Arab Belt Project against the Kurds and Arabization operations in Kurdish regions must be revoked, and compensation must be paid to those who have suffered from these discriminatory policies. The state prior to the implementation of these policies must be restored, and secret and public agreements affecting Syria's sovereignty and the existence of the Kurds must be revoked.
<10. Restoring Syrian citizenship to Kurdish citizens who were stripped of their citizenship as a result of the exceptional census of 1962 and whose names were not recorded.
<11. Allocating a percentage of the revenues generated from the wealth to development and reconstruction efforts in the Kurdish regions, given the deliberate exclusion and neglect of these regions in the past.That's not even getting into the fact that they're also not likely going to intergrate due to the HTS committing genocide against alawites and druze
https://anfenglishmobile.com/rojava-syria/ypj-the-genocide-against-alawites-is-now-being-repeated-against-the-druze-79208>>2267615<muh idealism >>2267613<muh bookchin <muh anarchism >>2267617>u-ur sadleftypol actually tries to form an argument not based on buzzwords and words they actually understand challenge: impossible.
>>2267629Still going to last longer than kurdish liberals
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>>2267539I FOUND IT, I'M SUPPORTING ISLAMIC NATLIB AGAIN
SUCK MY NUTS ULTRAS I'M GONNA SWAG OUT ON NATLIB MERCH
IM GOING TO ROLEPLAY AS HAMAS IN FRONT OF MY FRIENDS AT ORG MEETINGS, I'M BUYING A QUARAN, I'M NOT READING IT, I'M BUYING IT AS AN ACCESSORY, FREE FREE PALESTINE, TAHIA PALESTINE!!! 🔻
MIGHT EVEN GET A LIBERAL BOYFRIEND IF I LARP HARD ENOUGH AS A PALESTINIAN SUPPORTER, WHILE YOU ROT IN YOUR COUCH UYGHA ! HAHAHAHA
>>2267796I just invented new ideology its called liberalism on a skateboard, its like what we have right now but everybody gets a skateboard with social reforms which we enact worldwide by protesting and we start a social movement to demand everybody travel by skateboard, it will reduce carbon emissions, think about it man. And for the anarchists there is anarcho-skateboardism which is like the same thing but without hierarchy. For Maoists there is JDPON skateboard thought which is like the same thing except we get the skateboards through a proacted people's war. You can make your own liberalism on a skateboard by adding skateboards to the list of demands.
I've also invented democratic pointism which is more like a protest tactic where you point to something or someone undemocratic and demand they start behaving democratically. Imagine the power.
I thought of a synthesis, democratic pointism on a skateboard where you have to be on a skateboard and point to the undemocratic so you can wheel away if they start targeting you.
I've also thought of anarcho-democratic-skateboard-pointism which is like squads of skateboarders pointing to things undemocratic in a mutual collective skateboarding and also all of these ideologies can have small skate shop businesses where they can sell skateboards and hire skateboard workers. I know its not perfect but its better than what we have and its not Marxism so it must be good.
We can start this movement by opening up a small business on a legalized squat and when we get really big we can hire lots of skateboarders and do propaganda to spread skateboarding. Slogans like "Make, Sk8, Bait" and all your hip 2000s punk slogans on your skateboard. It's like your brand new deal.
>>2267821It's probably
>>2267921 tbh.
This thread proves very well that one long post is easily mitigated by a few kids with no life angrily spamming non-sequiturs.
The only way to fix leftypol is through moderation and over the last year+ the jannies have shown again and again they're not interested in anything but the smug simulacrum of power and the social cache in their online chatrooms that being a janny on an internet forum gives them.
>>2267922>at some point, continous debate over the topic is no longer productive.Agreed. So how about fuck off instead of going into threads about things you don't like to endlessly seathe about people talking about or liking the thing you don't like.
Actual child. fml.
>>2267938Whenever a new form of “Marxism” is “discovered” by some “revolutionary” movement, we are met with slews of pseuds and anarchists clinging to it like parasitic leeches, living and dying by revisionism. Why is this? The anarchoid, unprincipled Westerner, having never truly broken with Christianity, seeks to substitute “sinful” Marxism-Leninism with “pure” eco-anarchist ideals. They attempt to “discover” something “new” in Marxism, willfully ignoring that Marxism is already a totality. Like liberals shopping for ideologies, they cobble together an eclectic mishmash of (usually) contradictory ideas, theories, and frameworks—all to “distance” themselves from “totalitarian” Marxism, from “Stalinism,” and from the concrete reality of an existing proletarian dictatorship.
It’s pathetic that we must pretend these ersatz intellectuals could offer our movement any meaningful organizational, theoretical, or practical contribution.
>>2267987perhaps
perhapsthis can unlock the revolutionary potential of northern syria after all
>>2267983long march through the turkish democratic institutions
trust the plan
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>>2267463I'm a Kurd and don't want this, It seems like only the Military Industry Complex wants it. And Harcore Nationalists… Also I feel really disgusted that the countless milions slaughted for no reason since 01 and NEVER want to unleash it again…
ENOUGH BLOODSHED
Sawry but not rly sorry..but stop talking about Kurds and a Kurdistan if you are not Middle Eastern…
>>2267695 (me)
Thank you for making the only good post ITT
>>2278377Look, just because the tankies were right doesn't mean they shouldn't feel bad about it 🥺
What? They already felt bad about it? Not enough 😡
>>2278084I'm the only Kurd that is speaking on this stupid topic. Honeypot or not.. Fuck PKK and YPG and fuck Ocalan, may he rot in hell. Turks are good people.
I really hate the CIA/Mossad for continually de stabilize the middle east through divide and conquer, its why we are so weak. And have not learned from WWI.
There are no friends among Westerners, its only business transactions…
>>2296596Why are Americans so fixated on the middle east? its just a weird fetish to have…
I think most of u guys are alright, but u gotta focus on somehting else. Because there is no happenings. Its only poor people.
>>2278551>this is true, the majority of Kurdish comrades in Turkey I know irl dislike the PKKMany thousands of comrades in turkey went to fight with the PKK and then the YPG/J
THOGUH.
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