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Hello fellow communists and anarkkkidies.
One of the events which I find most fascinating in recent years as a Non-American is the Capitol Hill CHAZ/CHOP thing. I would like this thread to be MLs shitting on it and saying why it was the biggest failure of all time and I want anarchists to explain why it failed but why it does not invalidate anarchism nonetheless.
Let us take a pause from Russ-Ukro, Indo-Pak and focus on this gem of the Yankee Anarcho-Lumpeno-Libtardo axis.
JANNIES PLS DONT SAGE, ALLOW THE PEOPLE'S EXPRESSION TO MANIFEST ITSELF FREELY

>>2271553
ENGAGE IN MY SHITTY THREAD YOU ASSHOLESSSS

>>2271553
>I want anarchists to explain why it failed but why it does not invalidate anarchism nonetheless.
oh well that's easy
because it was merely a small pocket of anarchy in a small part of a single area in a single city in a single state all of which operate under a capitalist system that is teetering on the edge of fascism.

tl;dr it didn't work because it was a fucking park, my guy. it wasn't ever going to be a long term thing, and nobody expected it to. if they were SERIOUS about their attempt, then there would have been blood. You can tell it wasn't a serious attempt at anarchy because there wasnt a bloodbath.

>>2271570
>You can tell it wasn't a serious attempt at anarchy because there wasnt a bloodbath.
I know sectarianism breaks the rules, but I'm gonna say what everyone's thinking. This is why nobody likes you. Anarkiddies are the social darwinists of the left. They don't want peoples lives to get better they want every man for himself. Now I'm gonna say something really unpopular. That's good because the sort of chaos they advocate paves the way for the vanguard to clean up and reinstate a new better order.

>>2271577
Only the most pathetic bitchboys ever whine about 'sectarianism', lol. It's a fucking imageboard, not the vanguard party.

>>2271570
Understood. But how will an anarchist uprising happen everywhere (and not confined to a park) if there is no hierarchical structure which directs the masses?

>>2271577
>they were realistic and did not expect it to be a long term ordeal, since it would be impossible to pull off long term in this country and era, thus they do not want lives to get better

your logic is fucking nonsense lmao. what do you even want me to say in response to that word salad? sorry bro, you said absolutely random and baseless shit that is impossible to reply to because it makes zero sense and has no logic. I guess you win!

>socialism in one student protest

CHAZ was arguably well intentioned, but it was too haphazardly set up and did not have any concrete goals and barely even goals at all beyond "keep the police away". Which is fine, but that's not nearly enough to actually make and sustain a commune. Personally I think a lot of attention drawn to it was pure media hype, a lot of Fox News folks and DNC liberals searching for the wildest stories about CHAZ and refusing to verify them so they could make a spectacle on "wacky anarchists", which unfortunately a lot of people on the left who should know better ran with.

CHAZ is a cautionary tale, in the same way the Paris Commune was

>>2271553
The Fiume Filibuster was more anarchist than CHAZ/CHOP, there was no structure to actually maintaining control. American Anarchists/Communists/Socialists all fetishize the individual too much to effectively organize where they all consider themselves to be the state of exception and the next Lenin, so they burn themselves out and they can't consolidate gains. They assumed if you just act anarchist enough you can have anarchism, looking at European models like Christania which relies on like a bureaucratic mess up or other american things like Slab City which is so hyperindividualist they'll let you die of thirst if you aren't prepared.

>>2271591
'Free' Christiana was just a hippy happy street in the town of Christiana which receives many tourists.
Such happy-go wanderers will never be able to maintain production.

>>2271585
if you don't like it fuck off and go write on your shitty website

>>2271553
>I want anarchists to explain why it failed
I'm not an anarchist but it's pretty obvious why it failed. It had no organization. As soon as things started to get hairy (the shootings/murders) they had no idea what the fuck to do because they are essentially grown children.

>>2271585
No. Shouldn't you be begging for money or some shit you fucking retarded loser.

>>2271577
Anarchists don't want every man for themselves, they just don't want a state, the same thing as communists, so if anarchism won't work then ever having full communism is a mirage

>>2271602
communists believe that the state will wither away after a prolonged period of the dictatorship of the proletariat, which will also make vanish different classes (i.e classless). Before this stateless society however, communists have big plans on what to do (initial stages, DotP bla bla).
Anarchists say nothing on how to get there. They talk as if the state can just be deleted at will instantly. And what about the current classes. Will 'deleting' the state abolish classes instantly?

>>2271579
hey if you've not been banned for hypersectarianism are you even trying?

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CHAZ failed because it was anarchism with American characteristics.

>>2271596
Yes, but a lot of American Anarchists look at that shit as a model, where it's about the liberation of consumption compared to the liberation of the proletariat. It's also why I mentioned Slab City, neither of those places can really be considered a fully fledged society but it appeals to the libertine ideals of Anarchists.

>>2271553
No thread worth keeping has ever contained the words JANNIES PLS DONT SAGE
Please go back to your containment board.

>>2271632
contriubute meaningfully or piss off

>>2271616
anarchism is when Mad Max

it was a meme blown way out of proportion. "CHAZ" existed primarily on social media. minneapolis itself had FAR more serious attempts at revolutionary spontaneous organization. they were short lived and flawed, because they were spontaneous and did not have an organization of experienced cadre to support them.

https://www.motherjones.com/criminal-justice/2020/06/minneapolis-sheraton-george-floyd-protests/

>The 136-room hotel had been transformed into a pop-up homeless shelter of sorts, with no staff and virtually no rules. The hotel’s typical guests had been ordered to evacuate when the protests in Minneapolis heated up. In their place now were between 200 and 300 previously unhoused people—no one knew exactly how many—with more arriving each day to be put on a waitlist. When I visited for the first time, in early June, residents napped on leather sofas in the lobby using hotel sheets and pillows. Behind the bar, volunteers handed out chicken fajitas. Food donations filled the kitchen and the walk-in fridge.

>The hotel teemed with volunteers, part of an ever-shifting collection of 120 servers, artists, medics, librarians, social workers, and others. From the start, the operation was democratic and decentralized—there was no hierarchy, no fund for donations, no spokesperson, not even a name (one suggestion was the “Share-a-Ton”). Many were wary, one volunteer said, of “nonprofitizing.” A variety of people-centered belief systems informed the volunteers’ work. Some were Democratic Socialists. Some were students of the radical Catholic Worker Movement. Many of the volunteers were veterans of the protests at Standing Rock.

this is one of several examples, i dont have time right now to dig up and post others hopefully someone else can fill in

CHAZ is a pretty standard case of fascist retards gaining power except even stupider because it’s American. Unsurprisingly it’s by far the most successful example of western leftism

>>2271637
It better be, or else I don't want any

>>2271553
Is unloading 5.56 rounds into two black teens considered Chaz anarkiddie activism?

>>2271616
I remember Malice promptly scorch earthing her social media presence when there was video footage leaked of the anarkiddies saying the two black teens out joyriding never had guns nor fired, just some limp wristed anarkiddie got trigger happy and opened fire

>>2271580
I'm not SUPER deep into anarchism, so take my reply with a grain of salt, but I believe there is no "rule" against having anything with hierarchy. obviously in some form of campaign you would benefit from having some organization.

the difference is that campaign is self contained. it would be fighting for the goal of having an uprising and establishing anarchy, but not to then rule over said anarchy, as anarchy has no rulers.

imagine like a world of warcraft guild, but with the quirk of the guild having no set leader or leadership. within that guild, a group of people decide to start a raid team. within that raid team, you might have one guy thats really good at figuring shit out and calling the shots, so you listen to him when it's raid time. Once the raid is over, or should you willingly exit the raid team, that raid leader cannot then tell you what to do any further, as you are not involved in the raid any further.

But hey, I'm not well read on anarchy, and it's not something I even think is realistic so I never gave it TOO much thought, I just vaguely understand the main ideas (i think)

>>2271645
explain how it was fascist

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>>2271677

>>2271680
explain how it was fascist

>>2271680
awww, whats wrong, pussy? you sure shut the fuck up real quick when you have to actually use your brain instead of mindlessly repeating shit you heard on your fucking white nationalism group chats, huh?

>>2271680
Didn't that dude describe himself as an auhoritarian communist aka tankie? The irony is palpable, don't look at how much he nationalized the economy or you'll never stop annoying us with claims tha italy was AES

>>2271645
>Unsurprisingly it’s by far the most successful example of western leftism
does the paris commune not count anymore? are bavarian soviets eastern now?

>>2271707
2/10

>>2271707
CAN you please stop making shit up all the fucking time and get hit by a train already

>>2271713
shut the fuck up

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>>2271711
>>2271713
Cope and seethe blackshirt

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>>2271707
>communism is when the state does stuff

>>2271732
>communism is when you describe yourself as a communist

>>2271732
Shove your wikipedia screencaps up your asshole

>>2271664
I dont know, that's why Im asking anarchists

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>>2271616
This shit was so fucking bad. I remember when it happened and how all the fuck around find out types went quiet after it became clear what had happened. Almost comical if it wasn’t so tragic, a bunch of larpers and trusties seize a city block to protest police killing minorities and end up shooting two minority children, killing one.

>>2271553
Wasn't real anarchism because not enough people died in the process

>>2271754
>shit no-one said
Read >>2271707 again.

Communists ITT really think an org likr the PSL will ever be capable of doing any action on thr level of CHAZ. The reason anarchists gey so much hate is because communism is a book club, and the book readers get mad when people.take action.

If there was a white Mao he deff aint in no mf PSL, he'd be an anarchist.

It failed because nobody organized anything. The "militia" was just handing out rifles to random people. It's not even like the protestors actually seized the area. The local government voluntarily withdrew and that basically caused the energy to fizzle, so they had no problem just coming back a bit later and kicking people out. The fact of the matter is the protestors got outplayed. They didn't have any organization or plan and the city called their bluff.

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I shouldn't even be bumping this shit thread. However, the whole CHAZ/CHOP thing was a meme to begin with. Started as one in the chaos of the time and ended as one. Like minded people taking advantage of the situation to train/LARP. That's all it was and should be remembered as such. The people behind it were not well prepared enough to make it for real. There was no real driving cultural factor behind it besides the BLM protests. That's part of the reason it never escalated into anything serious. They never used IRA tactics, supported by a large section of the populace. They obviously never really became a autonomous area like the Zapatistas. It really ain't that deep, that's why nothing really happened. It's fuckin Seattle, nobody cares except the fuckers that live there.

Pic related: Seattle General Strike of 1919. The level of the propaganda in itself demanded respect. The "establishment" of CHAZ barely holds a candle to the level of class consciousness.

>>2271982
>CHAZ was a meme
so it was anarchist after all

>>2271970
>PSL will ever be capable of doing any action on thr level of CHAZ
you're talking as if CHAZ did anything but to have a bunch of goons randomly shoot at people and fail to even grow some crops lol

>>2271992
Yeah whatever, show me your movement's promise and maybe I'd consider joining.

>>2271995
>promise
what do you want, a church?

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>>2271970
>The reason anarchists gey so much hate is because communism is a book club, and the book readers get mad when people.take action.
You sound somewhere between Blanqui and Marinetti, action for action's sake often fizzles out.

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>>2272008
be like him, he does not read books, he takes AKSHONN

anarchists must read:

>Insurrectionary Anarchy; Organizing for Attack
>Clausewitz - On War
>Mao Tse Tung - On Guerilla Warfare
>Che Guevara - On Guerilla Warfare
>Lenin - On Guerilla Warfare
>Carlos Marighella - Minimanual of the Urban Guerrilla
>Vincente Solis - Mini Manual of the Clandestine Cel
>SACP - How to Master Secret Work
>George Jackson - Blood in My Eye
>Nechayev - Catechism of a Revolutionary

>>2272007
Funny you would say that. It's almost as if Marxists already are already some religious cult. That's the problem, all you guys do is quote theory as if it's scripture. Let's see some praxis and following that see some popular support. Maybe then the anarchists will see the error of their ways.

>>2272018
what praxis is performed by anarchists though?

>>2272019
This guy gets it

>>2272021
Bro are you new?

>>2272027
no but I hear a lot of praxis from anarchists but never see any concrete examples

>>2272019
>tree-hugging bullishit
big fucking deal you grew trees

>>2271553
This was the greatest disappointment in US leftist history.
What could’ve been a left-wing libertarian socialist movement and region turned into a Nazlib disaster.

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>>2272031
>>2272032

>>2272036
im seriously asking man
you're talking as if it's evident and can be seen on every crossroads
what do anarchists actually do in practice?

>>2272037
Disrupt the current state of being in the moment. Living without the constraints of an oppressive society. If even for a moment, it is a section of people realizing and understanding themselves. That is the appeal of it and part of the praxis. Do you really need more? If so, obviously you don't personally understand what anarchism is about.

>>2272038
Not clickin that shit dawg

>>2272040
its fine click it

I remember when someone in bunkerchan/leftypol made a fake tweet about how they were starving, making fun of the food garden photos. And it went viral everywhere on the internet.

>>2272060
Same

>>2272040
>Disrupt the current state of being in the moment
how tho?
It all sounds very mystic to me

>>2271553
>Hello fellow communists and anarkkkidies.
Anarchist are the most radical far left of all communists you absolute retard.

>>2272079
weird how proud you are of left-deviation

>>2271754
These are both arguments MLoids very regularly make, in fact, they call any other stance infantile and utopian

Not an anarchist, but it’s hilarious watching the pants shitting rage MLoids feel whenever proletarians attempt to construct an alternative society
As to why it failed, well, 2020 just wasn’t a revolutionary situation

>>2271994
Those are both unironically greater accomplishments than PSL parasitizing protest movements, upholding internal sex offenders (lol), and running a cope election campaign to at best end up winning 1,000 cope votes

>>2272209
>pants shitting rage MLoids feel whenever proletarians attempt to construct an alternative society
<anarchoid lumpernproles squatting a quarter is an alternative society
i'll give the anarchists that they dared to go beyond singular abandonded buildings, but this still a larpy take

>>2272219
Mate, you have to consider this is to be weighed against American MLs doing literally nothing and MLs in general upholding the people’s wage slavery and the people’s capitalism

>>2272228
american mls are as much of an organization as the anarchists are (they are not). so you're really weighing shit to shit. "doing something" is such a disease of the infantile left.

>>2272234
There needs to be a positive alternative to “doing something”, simply reading theory and waiting for reality to become a circle you can put your perfect peg through doesn’t work

>>2272238
>There needs to be a positive alternative to “doing something”
it's called rank-and-file work. it's organizing people, educating them and talking to them. it takes time and that's why no one likes doing it. the bolsheviks started out as a bunch of reading groups after all, tactically approaching striking or unruly workers to explain to them what it was they were attacking.

CHAZ was less an attempt at an anarchist revolution and more so a really disorganized version of an Occupy protest or something along the lines of Freetown Christiania like a previous anon brought up.

And I argue that it's disorganized based on how their security ended up shooting two kids under the assumption that they were one of the many armed fascist groups harassing them and on how CHAZ had no real political structure to maintain itself and its continued existence outside of basic consensus-decision making in a town hall-style environment.

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>>2272238
>FREE CHAZ
>FREE CHAZ
>FREE CHAZ

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>>2272238
>>2272212
"accomplisment"
>>2272209
maybe it failed because it had nothing revolutionary about it? Maybe the year 2020 is not to be blamed?
>>2272079
>>2272040
>>2272034

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>>2272234
>"doing something" is such a disease of the infantile left.

hard to swallow pill - reading groups have never accomplished anything

>>2272935
cringe image

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>>2272943
i am cringe, and I am free

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>>2272952

>>2272209
how many of the CHAZ goons were 'proletarian' exactly?

>>2272209
>CHAZian squatter
>Proletarian
Kek. KEK. KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK

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>>2272995
>CHAZ
>Proletarian
>Revolutionary
>alternative society
KEK OVERDOSE

It was just a bunch of liberals setting up a protest ring and it wasn't really anarchist in structure. They had store owners giving discounts there as a PR move FFS.

>>2273011
>wasn't real anarchism
at least MLs own up to their attempts of Real Existing Socialism
All anarchists do is eat hot cum and lie

Anarchism + Americans = Dumpster fire of a situation

Why don't MLs and Anarchists just… compromise?
Is a little Pancake style Councilism or Bookchin-esque Communalism too much to handle?

My point being the Western left is so fragmented and full of infighting and unwilling to make compromises that it will never ever achieve anything.
All we'll ever see is more CHAZ/CHOP failures while fascism continues to take over Western states and entrench itself further.
The right looks for converts while the left looks for traitors. We need the full force of a highly organised united front to even stand a fighting chance.
You know how the EZLN managed to get started at all? Because of compromises between Maoists and Anarchists on a middle ground position neither initially saw as being correct according to their armchair theory & personal ideological positions, but which both could find tolerable.

Until you all learn to stop pointing fingers at each other on imageboards and begin to focus on what we all have in common - a desire for revolutionary socialism, destruction of capitalism, redistribution of wealth, and a stateless classless moneyless world and the endpoint.
Please please please get along for 5 fucking minutes.
If you really want to prove you're even remotely serious I suggest this:
MLs, reply by saying something nice about the Anarchists for once.
Anarchists do the same and reply by saying something nice about MLs.
Was that really so hard?

>>2273083
🦗

>>2273099
Is that a Marxist cricket or an Anarchist cricket?

>>2273083
u are Menshevik
u vote democrat

>>2273108
I'm not American

>>2273114
u r democrackka
u worship americans
u wish u were american

>>2273119
Nobody outside the US wishes they were American
America is a third world fascist hell hole with the worst gun crime possible
I pray to Marx every night thanking him I am not a stupid fat Yankee coloniser

>>2273083
there's a reason that anarcho-communism is so popular in places like Mexico, synthesis between the two sphere with adaptions to local terrain is the only path forward, anything else is sectarian time wasting.

>>2273125
I am not American and I wish I was American
the vast majority of Africa and Asia (except China and Japan) wishes they were American
It is a very privileged thing to think that America is crap

>>2273140
Americans, even their lowest strata, have access to a lot more amenities and cheap food/consumer goods than a majority of the population, but they refuse to recognize this because all of them think they should have the lifestyle of the low bourgeois, it's why most anarchist commune fantasies are indistinguishable from aspirant petite bourgeois fantasies

>>2273149
>Americans, even their lowest strata, have access to a lot more amenities and cheap food/consumer goods than a majority of the population, but they refuse to recognize this because all of them think they should have the lifestyle of the low bourgeois, it's why most anarchist commune fantasies are indistinguishable from aspirant petite bourgeois fantasies
Yupp. That's why native born poors are too stuck up to work whereas the immigrants feel blessed to be here and quickly rise up. That's also why the FBAs hate African immigrants.

>>2273152
It's not even anyone's fault either. It's because they were raised up on garbage culture. All culture in America promotes the bourgeois dream.

>Say I don't gotta dance, I make money move If I see you and I don't speak, that means I don't fuck with you I'm a boss, you a worker, bitch, I make bloody moves
-Cardi B, famous Berniegal rapper

>>2273160
>It's not even anyone's fault either.
It's a little bit their fault, like if you can't be imbued with self awareness about the wealth you have access to I think you're just life undeserving of life at that point. Like the culture is definitely apart of it but that just strengthens the individuals resolve and entitlement, where even if they are good communists or whatever it becomes a flagellant act or the consistent "prayer" of "There is no ethical consumption under Capitalism" as they buy their 18th slop commodity

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>>2273177
You are a liar if you don't admit their entire mindset is fucked up and they are "trapped" by it. You were here resorting to begging before you took the job at Whataburger because you think of yourself as some kind of artist and leader. That's what foreigners say about Americans. Everyone seems like they think they're the star of some movie centering on their life. Even now you can't help but promote your persona and trademark. You are one of 340 million. You don't matter. No one cares. Suck it up. Being from a shit background isn't something to be proud of. The sooner you get out of that delusion the better.

>>2273177
post with your name

>>2273203
>I learned quickly you should never worry about loser leftists online like you have to say. I don't make content for you, I make content for people like my co-workers.
Back at you hombre. Kek. It's very funny how you want to put the stank of your persona over everything and then you feel like you have room to call anyone a loser. Show some fucking humility. This is exactly what the fuck I'm talking about. You are all hypnotized by bourgeois videos and culture and you think that you are too can just lollygag and get buy. It's the same reason all the idiots at the bottom can't stop buying lotto scratchers. It's pathetic. Just manage yourself. Cutback on doing stupid shit and you can get by and move up even. If you don't want to do that, that's your business, I'm not a moralist, but it's pathetic to act so pathetically and helpless when you really do have it so easy by comparison. It's all in your head.

>>2273217
I would like to. Unfortunately I have the misfortune of reading your long-winded self-aggrandizing posts. Nobody cares about this persona you are promoting.

>>2273219
>I would like to.
double-negative. I would like to not know* for clarity.

>>2273228
>4000 people read this article the day it was posted, and over 40,000 people have visited the site since. I would say that people do care, and you can make a website and speak truth to power too, and you should, anyone can do this, and we need more of it. They spend billions upon billions of dollars on propaganda for a reason.
My question is why are you so adamant about forcing yourself on this site? If you have all these numbers, why not just make your own forum? Why are you forcing yourself here?

>>2273235
Alright, but it is really fucking up the vibe we already established the way you act. We bullied off many namefags before you. Stop being so obnoxiouis.

>>2273190
Every American thinks they exist in the state of exception. It's why most of the American leftist projects fail, everyone obsessed with being the Paragon of the movement, it's also why the American Right and reactionaries eat each other, they are all the next hero.

>>2273237
HELLO MR HOUDINI
I MADE AN ANTI-HOUDINI POST YESTERDAY WHICH THE JANNIES HAVE DELETED
I MADE IT WITH MY HEART
I HOPE YOU SAW IT

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>>2273247
>I am willing to bet that you think dead end minimum wage jobs are some noble struggle because you're from a background where you'll never have to do that work.
Didn't say that at all. Just as you've decided it's better than:
> I was making 4x more than I will be at this job when I was moving packs but you know, when you have a friend do a 5 year min, you don't wanna do that shit.
I said your dream is to bourgeois dream. You think, as is promoted by the rap music, that because you came from some challenging background, you have some extra "character" because of it, and you are now special, and you deserve some karmic debt in remuneration for being some cool badass or something.

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>>2273235

you folks are talking as if American workers are unique in this situation
others have it a hundred times worse
you burgers just like to bitch and moan

>>2273255
I like to spearhead the Anti-Houdini movement though I disapprove of people who talk shit about your fast food job.
That is elitism and that is something the Houdinists engage in. Anti-Houdinists are friends of the people, we do not look down on others. Specially when we ourselves are unemployed.

>>2273261
>I like to spearhead the Anti-Houdini movement though I disapprove of people who talk shit about your fast food job.
I didn't talk shit about it, I just talked shit about how he thinks he's too good for it. He hasn't even worked there a week yet and he's flipping out about it.

>>2273259
I'm an American and I'm bitching and moaning on how we have it better but act like we're on an imperial periphery being exploited on the same level as the Banana Farmer in Colombia being gunned down by the AUC.

>>2273264
you are a clear-headed man
you will succeed in life

>>2273266
I only pointed out the self-pity bullshit Americans have
I never said revolution in the imperial core is not necessary, it is most necessary in fact
I am a third worlder, but I am not a Third Worldist
Third Worldism is Houdinist retardation, like left-communism, Maoism, and fascism

>>2273263
ah my apologies I misread you
So you are Anti-Houdini bitching, not anti-FastFoodist .
You are a good man .
Houdini will be dealt with in due time

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>>2273147
holy shit you even unironically use the word 'Houdinism'
WHO THE FUCK DO YOU THINK YOU ARE, HOLY SHIT!!!

>>2273278
He's still stuck in the Anal Stage.

>>2273278
You can just tell that this dude loves the smell of his own farts.

>>2273287
poodini

>>2273287
>>2273285
he deleted his posts
Now I feel bad
I never wanted to be a bully

>>2273312
Yeah honestly, I don't have any critique against him from a personal & organizational standpoint.

I just don't like how pompous, self-righteous, and entitled that he comes across sometimes with the way he was acting like he was creating a brand new theory and naming it after himself and all of that jazz. That sort of thing is just something I'm not a huge fan of and I'd almost say it's as bad as Felix, but he hasn't gotten to the point of fedposting on a daily basis yet at least. So there's that going for him.

I remember some anarkkkoid on here comparing it to the Paris Commune. Funniest shit I've ever seen.

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>>2271553
>calling it CHAZ or CHOP
>not CHAD
heh dumbasses

>>2273335
CHAD HAZ?
NOOOO IM GONNA GET BANNED FOR THIS
<ITS A JOKE JANNIES, ITS A JOKE(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2271611
>Anarchists say nothing on how to get there. They talk as if the state can just be deleted at will instantly
Is this that different from Lenin talking about smashing the bourgeois state and building the proletarian one? Which is not even what ended up happening in Russia, a lot of pre-revolutionary institutions and personnel were preserved. By the early 20s at the latest the Soviets had only nominal power.

Yeah guys it kinda makes sense that chaz wuz le fascist. Le state allowed stuff to happen there you know. You could see reactionaries take power there, setting up check points, lynching people and shit

Le chaz wuz state glowie experiment of doing fascism

>>2271616

I don't even recognise these guys as anarchists, the ideology that came to define them was 'legitimate/righteous violence'. Once you start down that path, you ALWAYS end up with extrajudicial executions. These guys would have ended up shooting each other given time

>>2273425
Wtf jannies

>>2274656
Tbh tho that's how most American anarchists act in practice, let's not lie to ourselves, it's either hippie commune that seems like fascistic or adventurist 'righteous violence' and propaganda of the deed

I am for an anarchist genocide
I hate anarchists

I love sectarianism from useless edgelords

>>2274987
your mom


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