/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>2287126
You admit it then

>>2287131
if you think marx is wrong then you dont get to appeal to him anymore

Actually come to think of it most of the self proclaimed MLs of Leftypol would probably praise Sanitationist Poland simply because it rejected liberalism and "western decadence". Plus Pilsudski gained national liberation for Poland! That's like super communism. It's a shame the utopian ultras in the Soviet Union didn't see it that way, maybe they should have read Marx and stopped being so unrealistic

>>2287128
>>2287129
It's a shitposter from /r/ultraleft. They are actual dogmatists when it comes to seeing Marx as scientific and invariant (except on the Irish question) and they don't know how to defend it when called out besides sperging out about how anyone trying to update him must be class collaborationist like libs, fascists and Lassalle. Irony being that Bordiga himself was a "modernizer".

>>2287132
Are you saying marx wasnt ever wrong in his life?

>>2287140
of course he was thats why we have to reject communism. its over. no reason not to think great men are real. marx just naturally results in authoritarian genocide against whites. communism was a mistake

Nationalism as strategy is always a risk: it mobilizes 'the masses', but too often freezes into a passive revolution, where elite-led national independence replaces class struggle. You win the flag, not the economy. The nation becomes the end, not the means.

>>2287143
>muh barely coherent memespeak from a retarded redditor
Italian leftcoms revised Marx and Engels on the national question.

>>2287139
>/r/ultraleft
it all makes sense now

Le consciousness resides in le party. Marx didnt invent capitalisms laws, he found them through research or something. If marx didnt exist someone else would find these laws.

marx is wrong about nationalism, hes wrong about productive forces, hes wrong about dialectics, hes wrong about labor theory. marx is useless for anything except brown apartheid.

>>2287139
Lmao I’m saying Marx was clearly wrong about race and nation because the entire thread is essentially arguing this lmao

MLoids should stop being belligerent idpol obsessed retards if they don’t want people to use their own explicit defenses for capitalism against them

>>2272308
>>2272309
>>2272346
>diagnosing colonialism through class antagonisms, yet resolving them through the construction of the nation as a redemptive subject
Every fucking time.

>>2287156
national SOCIALISM its right in the name. mussolin was the only true follower of marx. engels and stalin are distorters and revisionists. commies always kill a billion people when they try to change human nature. of course they would support nationalism, but only for brown people. communism is when you do white genocide against italians

>>2287153
It's not even the Italian left's position on the national question that bothers me, it is the fact that you combine it with the most obnoxious, larpy screeching about how anti-revisionist you are on the entire internet left. Invariance is obviously not compatible with the leftcom position on nationalism. You are modernizers bro, just accept it.

im just glad you leftist extremists are finally abandoning that crackpot idealist marx and his goblin lenin. now we can focus on whats really important like more funding for nato and a peaceful two state solution for israel. we have to protect the socialist garden that is europe from the barbarian hordes. maybe one day they will be enlightened enough to have democracy like us but first they will have to read keynes

>>2287187
Nah, we should do nothing

>>2287189
well you still have to vote

>>2287158
By persecuting communists and engaging in multiple anti communist imperialist crusades musolini was building the revolution

>>2287194
he was just protecting socialist europe from the inferiors who cant build anything and only destroy. communism is destruction which is why im a social democrat now. lots of kids think communism is cool but thats just hormones. you will grow up one day

>>2287194
>>2287198
Quick, you forgot to mention commodity production and AI art

>>2287210
I just dont see how stopping ISIS from burning down your cities and raping people is progressive. Its just trading one authoritarian dictatorship for another. Do they even have nightclubs in Ouagadougou? Besides Traore hates gay people. Westerners supporting BF is like LGBT supporting Hamas. They would kill you if they could because communism is just racism and isn't for whites just like any other terrorism. Freedom doesn't come from building factories or whatever that just makes climate change worse. They should have just stuck with mining Uranium for France and maybe France would give them a power line or something in 50 years. Allying with Putler shows they are really just MLoid tankies who only want power and dont care about people. Traore probably even wants another Chernobyl so he can control people more

>>2287062
> Burkina faso will do primitive accumulation and move these petit bourgeoisies to factories
That's literally what they're doing btw. A big part of his economic drive has been about increasing value. Building processing plants for example for farmed goods like tomato's and looking to refine and work the gold in-country, or i guess further on within the AES. hopefully strong economic integration will cement the AES as a bloc whatever happens as these are small and vulnerable countries indivudally.

>>2287080
>Typing a lot of bullshit doesn't make you more right.
yeah idk why people type things or argue at all. they should just give up and stop posting. communism is idealism and will never work. trying to do communism just gets you killed anyway. not worth it. my country already has healthcare and lots of public services anyway its comfy and commies just want to ruin everything and kill everyone with their violent protests for no reason

>>2287229
hes probably building up to weapons so he can kill people and try to destroy democracy. commies never do what they say its always making guns to kill dissenters instead of abolishing commodity production like they should(USER WAS WARNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2287094
more like on a long enough timelines commies run out of other peoples money amirite

>>2287096
we focus on marx because he wrote the book on how to use rhetoric for tricking people into giving power to fascists. if every communism just results in another authoritarian state then we must conclude that is its purpose and oppose it at every turn. liberals at least let us vote to get rid of the state its just a matter of convincing everyone we are right

>>2287104
>Most of this board deserves death
wow anon dont lower yourself to the level of the commies. just because they are violent and dont respect the democratic process doesn't mean we have to be(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>>2287245
You have to go back, /pol/ack.

>>2287264
Less of a polack than 90% of this thread

>>2287264
im just tired of this
>marx didn't support
>oh he did?
>marx was wrong
>communism is over

ultras need to keep marx and lenin out of their mouths and say what they really mean from the beginning instead of this cowardly circle jerk bullshit. first we get people who think lenin was a revisionist but still misusing his theory of imperialism to shit on leninists despite thinking lenin was wrong in the first place. now that people quote marx over lenin they are doing it with marx and pretending like quoting him is an appeal to his authority rather then an example of his theoretical method applied in practice.

its like they dont even know anarchism exists so they adopt the most obscure cultist sect of "marxism" they can find

>>2287256
Mods = gods

>>2287125
Where?
>>2287123
You are first of all supposed to stop evading the simple question. But really it doesn't matter what you do, as you well know.

Burkina "The BBC" Faso, leader of Traore

>>2287714
I answered your bad faith question by recognizing it for the radlib nonsense it is, the only person that cares about race here is you
A more deserving response to your question would be to slam a brick in your face, but obviously I can’t see you physically

>>2287737
The BurkinaBe Captain?

>>2287789
I think you are quite confused if you are not just trying to get on my nerves at this stage.
The question was precisely what you do materially, physically, in reality that makes you communist whatsoever.
I already know you don't speak or read german, that was a response to the deflection about Hitler and such nonsense you people "bring to the discussion"

>>2287065
>"everything is the same and nothing that is not outerly presented as a communist event is good"
This doesn't deserve so much as a response. Which I will make nonetheless here but only once (more). In the end it turned out way too long now that I got started on this line of thinking, this response to say "don't respond" but, oh well, I can maybe recycle it later.
It brings to mind the guy ("libertarian" "socialism" tendeny) that told Parenti "I don't care about the children that get fed by the revolution".
The correct response isn't even outrage but just ignoring them totally. If you are not interacting with reality as is, you are not relevant, you are not engaged in politics, by definition and by design.
Your main characteristic isn't "being communist" but arrogance, indifference and a general detachment from reality. "I don't care about poverty or reality in general even" is something that can only come from someone that is doing too well. I don't wanna be racist here but I'm gonna be. It's a particular mix of arrogance and ignorance that can only persist in a certain kind of lifestyle. And really what are you communicating. It's like entering a discussion just to announce "I don't care about that". Okay and why should we care that you don't care? The most natural action would be to leave, exit the discussion but they have something that keeps them from doing that persistently. I am unsure as to what really but it's ostensibly a need to not have the idea of communism tarnished by any association with the real world or something to that effect.

This shit was cute when you were in your 20s when the US wasn't ramping up the war propaganda and we weren't outwardly and obviously in a cold war.
but now you're pushing 30 now even the dimmest guy should see what the hell's up.
I am forced into agreement here with the anarchist/libertarian pope. It's better to have a world-view, (one that has some connection to what happens in reality, this world we live in) even if it happens to be a false one.

https://thetricontinental.org/newsletterissue/hunger-poverty-inequality/
Anyway, Tricontinental's newsletter mentions Burkina Faso.

>>2287834
> If you are not interacting with reality as is, you are not relevant, you are not engaged in politics, by definition and by design.
<'s better to have a world-view, (one that has some connection to what happens in reality, this world we live in) even if it happens to be a false one.
You are so close, anon, just take the 'politics are what you physically and materially do, not what you profess to believe'-Pill.
>Anyway, Tricontinental's newsletter mentions Burkina Faso.
Thanks.

WAKE ME UP WHEN IBRAHIM TRAORÉ LIBERATES BALESTINE

>>2287842
That was (partly) the point.
>>2287293
It's fighting Stalin with Lenin and fighting Lenin with Marx. Yes, there is nothing genuine about it. It's pure anti-communism.
>>2287834
I don't know btw why I wrote US there. It's the whole of the west with the EU trying to invest trillions of euros they don't have in armaments while the US is doing business as usual, notwithstanding some bluster.

>>2287856
but i thought hamas was bourgeois

<Wilmer Leon: AFRICOM General On Defense After Call For Ibrahim Traore's Arrest
fdpd

>>2287158
Italians aren't white

>>2289143
Italians are too sexy to be white