If China is so based why doesn't it spread communist propaganda to the West? Why aren't there Chinese created Prager U's commiepilling ppl? Why are they just watching as the rest of the world sinks into fascism?
120 posts and 20 image replies omitted.>>2274237First was a lie peddled by a fascist in a capitalist state, with capitalists ruling the country.
Second was truth said by Mao in a country run by workers and peasants, meaning capitalists were allowed as long as it brought anything good to the workers
>>2275582>more important to communism than the class struggleYes its called primary and secondary contradictions. In the age of imperialism, conflicts of national liberation are a prerequisite for communism, as a nation cannot self-determine to be communist if its is subjugated by another nation.
>thing unrelated to communismDevelopment of productive forces is related to communism, in fact some(
Marx) might say its the entire thing.
>>2275598Exactly why the second-largest economy in the entirety of human history still needs to 'build up its productive forces' is a mystery to me, and to every rational mind, when communism could have existed as early as the 19th century.
Every bourgeois revolution has expanded the 'productive forces'. Capitalist production is marked precisely by its social, large-scale character as opposed to the individualistic, subsistence production of pre-capitalism.
Nowadays instead of ‘God’ you have 'contradiction', 'dialectics', ‘absolute spirit’, ‘capital’, or ‘the productive forces’.
>>2275607>Exactly why the second-largest economy in the entirety of human history still needs to 'build up its productive forces' is a mystery to meit took them 70 years to eliminate "extreme" poverty and they still have millions living in dirt houses, and inb4 revisionism, but it was because they had to develop military tech first to defend from imperialist aggression. they have just barely been the second largest economy for over a decade, no one would be demanding such things from them even 20 years ago, but now suddenly they arent moving fast enough despite shattering their stated goals
>Every bourgeois revolution has expanded the 'productive forces'.yes which is why marx called them progressive
>>2275627>it took them 70 years to eliminate "extreme" povertyyet capitalist countries still have poverty. Communist China has no poverty.
>still have millions living in dirt housesWrong. You have no evidence for these lies.
>they have just barely been the second largest economy for over a decadeutterly wrong. Communist China has number one economy in real terms.
>>2275659>>2275640Communist China must destroy terrorism. Communist China strives for peaceful and harmonious shared future for mankind.
>>2275774I wasn't trying to and wasn't reading the argument in the first place.
The state of this place is my argument if anything.
>>2274203In many elements, Liberal Capitalists are so much better at playing systematic politics it's unreal, especially because getting a Liberal to understand systematic politics is like bashing your head against a wall.
The USSR should have had "NGOs"/"Charities" quietly seeding Socialist propaganda and movements to make a Socialist movement seem truly grassroots across the world. I genuinely believe the Eastern Bloc would have been better off with an "inverted" social democracy, where it looks and functions like a social democracy, but where all the state, media functions in ours, allow Capitalism to dominate, a "inverted" one would only really allow Socialist parties to dominate. Capitalist parties would be seen as fringe and crazy.
China is correct in that the Socialist phase should be built country by country, to their local conditions. Socialism in the US would not be M-L I can tell you that.
>>2275753im trying to understand the crushing part. first article quotes a nepali newspaper about "18 truckloads of weapons" with no other sources or confirmation that was imprisoned for publishing rebels and the second says "political and moral support" plus no change in "economic aid".
im reading about how they sent them some anti air back in the 80s but i thought the maoists were more recent. and i thought the civil war is over now and they participate in the elections. if they are crushing shouldn't there be an announcement from china and not the bbc of them sending guns to the king during the war?
>>2275781I've been thinking about "socialism with burger characteristics."
It seems to me that advertising should be a great part of it. Once the workers seize control of digital marketing they can adjust advertising according to economic planning. Central economic planning can work just by putting your thumb on the scale a little bit.
>>2275781> an "inverted" social democracy, where it looks and functions like a social democracyWell that kind of makes the evolution moot at this point, since the whole reason as to why you'll have it is to materially change how the system works, not just which party is in power (which can become revisionist and elect Gorby V2 to shoot itself in the head)
> The USSR should have had "NGOs"/"Charities" quietly seeding Socialist propaganda and movements to make a Socialist movement seem truly grassroots across the world.I don't think it would only "seem" grassroots by that point, but yes
>>2276141> Central economic planning can work just by putting your thumb on the scale a little bit.It doesn't. You seem to have quite the liberal understanding of how a market operates, that is, it operates according to the customer which has some kind of abstract demand that prompts producers to satisfy them. Setting that aside markets naturally tend to produce all kinds of side effects (waste, monopolization, innumerable inefficiencies, etc) because of how they function. Just trying to direct the market via indicative planning was already tried many times (eg Dirigisme in France) with innumerable approaches, and it always reliably failed at stopping a crisis or a decline when it was most needed)
>>2275826It ended up being resolved peacefully anyway.
"In 2006, the Maoists and other main political parties (communist and otherwise) formed a united coalition, launching a successful peaceful civil resistance against the dictatorial coup d'état by the monarchy. This resistance movement resulted in the abolition of the monarchy in 2008 and the drafting of a new constitution."
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